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d="scan'208";a="658200568" Received: from unknown (HELO PRVPEXHUB04.corp.twcable.com) ([10.136.163.13]) by cdpipgw02.twcable.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 02 Mar 2015 11:10:09 -0500 Received: from PRVPEXVS10.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.41]) by PRVPEXHUB04.corp.twcable.com ([10.136.163.13]) with mapi; Mon, 2 Mar 2015 11:21:45 -0500 From: "George, Wes" To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 11:21:44 -0500 Thread-Topic: sunset4 - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 92 Thread-Index: AdBVBPm7mOn6hO2xReurZgE7+aLoSA== Message-ID: References: <20150227222721.22539.11629.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150227222721.22539.11629.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.8.150116 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [sunset4] FW: sunset4 - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 92 X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:21:50 -0000 U28gd2UgaGF2ZSBhIG1lZXRpbmcgc2NoZWR1bGVkLiBMZXQncyBtYWtlIHRoZSBtb3N0IG9mIGl0 IGFuZCB0cnkgdG8NCmp1bXBzdGFydCB0aGlzIFdHLCBhcyBwcm9ncmVzcyBoYXMgbm90IGJlZW4g Z29vZC4NCg0KUGxlYXNlIHN1Ym1pdCBhZ2VuZGEgaXRlbSByZXF1ZXN0cy4gQVNBUC4NCg0KVGhh bmtzLA0KDQpXZXMNCg0KDQoNCk9uIDIvMjcvMTUsIDU6MjcgUE0sICIiSUVURiBTZWNyZXRhcmlh dCIiIDxhZ2VuZGFAaWV0Zi5vcmc+IHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+RGVhciBXZXNsZXkgR2VvcmdlLA0KPg0K PlRoZSBzZXNzaW9uKHMpIHRoYXQgeW91IGhhdmUgcmVxdWVzdGVkIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBzY2hlZHVs ZWQuDQo+QmVsb3cgaXMgdGhlIHNjaGVkdWxlZCBzZXNzaW9uIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIGZvbGxvd2Vk IGJ5DQo+dGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsIHJlcXVlc3QuDQo+DQo+c3Vuc2V0NCBTZXNzaW9uIDEgKDE6MDA6 MDApDQo+ICAgIFdlZG5lc2RheSwgQWZ0ZXJub29uIFNlc3Npb24gSUkgMTUyMC0xNjIwDQo+ICAg IFJvb20gTmFtZTogR29sZCBzaXplOiAzMDANCj4gICAgLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tDQo+DQo+DQo+DQo+UmVxdWVzdCBJbmZvcm1hdGlvbjoNCj4N Cj4NCj4tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0NCj5Xb3JraW5nIEdyb3VwIE5hbWU6IFN1bnNldHRpbmcgSVB2NA0KPkFyZWEgTmFtZTog SW50ZXJuZXQgQXJlYQ0KPlNlc3Npb24gUmVxdWVzdGVyOiBXZXNsZXkgR2VvcmdlDQo+DQo+TnVt YmVyIG9mIFNlc3Npb25zOiAxDQo+TGVuZ3RoIG9mIFNlc3Npb24ocyk6ICAxIEhvdXINCj5OdW1i ZXIgb2YgQXR0ZW5kZWVzOiAxMDANCj5Db25mbGljdHMgdG8gQXZvaWQ6DQo+IEZpcnN0IFByaW9y aXR5OiBkaGMgaG9tZW5ldCB2Nm9wcw0KPiBTZWNvbmQgUHJpb3JpdHk6IGludGFyZWENCj4gVGhp cmQgUHJpb3JpdHk6IG9wc2FyZWEgb3BzYXdnIDZtYW4NCj4NCj4NCj5TcGVjaWFsIFJlcXVlc3Rz Og0KPiAgbm90IGZyaWRheQ0KPi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KPg0KDQoNClRoaXMgRS1tYWlsIGFuZCBhbnkgb2YgaXRzIGF0 dGFjaG1lbnRzIG1heSBjb250YWluIFRpbWUgV2FybmVyIENhYmxlIHByb3ByaWV0YXJ5IGluZm9y bWF0aW9uLCB3aGljaCBpcyBwcml2aWxlZ2VkLCBjb25maWRlbnRpYWwsIG9yIHN1YmplY3QgdG8g Y29weXJpZ2h0IGJlbG9uZ2luZyB0byBUaW1lIFdhcm5lciBDYWJsZS4gVGhpcyBFLW1haWwgaXMg aW50ZW5kZWQgc29sZWx5IGZvciB0aGUgdXNlIG9mIHRoZSBpbmRpdmlkdWFsIG9yIGVudGl0eSB0 byB3aGljaCBpdCBpcyBhZGRyZXNzZWQuIElmIHlvdSBhcmUgbm90IHRoZSBpbnRlbmRlZCByZWNp cGllbnQgb2YgdGhpcyBFLW1haWwsIHlvdSBhcmUgaGVyZWJ5IG5vdGlmaWVkIHRoYXQgYW55IGRp c3NlbWluYXRpb24sIGRpc3RyaWJ1dGlvbiwgY29weWluZywgb3IgYWN0aW9uIHRha2VuIGluIHJl bGF0aW9uIHRvIHRoZSBjb250ZW50cyBvZiBhbmQgYXR0YWNobWVudHMgdG8gdGhpcyBFLW1haWwg aXMgc3RyaWN0bHkgcHJvaGliaXRlZCBhbmQgbWF5IGJlIHVubGF3ZnVsLiBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSBy ZWNlaXZlZCB0aGlzIEUtbWFpbCBpbiBlcnJvciwgcGxlYXNlIG5vdGlmeSB0aGUgc2VuZGVyIGlt bWVkaWF0ZWx5IGFuZCBwZXJtYW5lbnRseSBkZWxldGUgdGhlIG9yaWdpbmFsIGFuZCBhbnkgY29w eSBvZiB0aGlzIEUtbWFpbCBhbmQgYW55IHByaW50b3V0Lg0K From nobody Tue Mar 3 05:35:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB841A7005 for ; 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Tue, 03 Mar 2015 21:34:56 +0800 (CST) X-RM-TRANSID: 2ee454f5b87fd8e-e2183 From: "Fan, Peng" To: "'George, Wes'" , References: <20150227222721.22539.11629.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 21:34:36 +0800 Message-ID: <004801d055b6$cafc0ff0$60f42fd0$@chinamobile.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIcOOPKR6cDRPT7OxVgteqmKzaR8gKzMC87nF1iJPA= Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sunset4] FW: sunset4 - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 92 X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 13:35:24 -0000 Hi Wes, draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis-05 was updated lately, so it may be good to spend a little time introducing the updates to the WG. Best regards, Peng -----Original Message----- From: sunset4 [mailto:sunset4-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of George, Wes Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 12:22 AM To: sunset4@ietf.org Subject: [sunset4] FW: sunset4 - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 92 So we have a meeting scheduled. Let's make the most of it and try to jumpstart this WG, as progress has not been good. Please submit agenda item requests. ASAP. Thanks, Wes On 2/27/15, 5:27 PM, ""IETF Secretariat"" wrote: >Dear Wesley George, > >The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. >Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original >request. > >sunset4 Session 1 (1:00:00) > Wednesday, Afternoon Session II 1520-1620 > Room Name: Gold size: 300 > --------------------------------------------- > > > >Request Information: > > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Working Group Name: Sunsetting IPv4 >Area Name: Internet Area >Session Requester: Wesley George > >Number of Sessions: 1 >Length of Session(s): 1 Hour >Number of Attendees: 100 >Conflicts to Avoid: > First Priority: dhc homenet v6ops > Second Priority: intarea > Third Priority: opsarea opsawg 6man > > >Special Requests: > not friday >--------------------------------------------------------- > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. _______________________________________________ sunset4 mailing list sunset4@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sunset4 From nobody Wed Mar 25 10:33:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C951A9094; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PpBkNcUxUdK7; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DBF1A90BE; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:33:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.12.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150325173322.22454.45902.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:33:22 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: sunset4@ietf.org Subject: [sunset4] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis-06.txt X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:33:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Sunsetting IPv4 Working Group of the IETF. Title : Gap Analysis for IPv4 Sunset Authors : Simon Perreault Tina Tsou Cathy Zhou Peng Fan Filename : draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis-06.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2015-03-25 Abstract: Sunsetting IPv4 refers to the process of turning off IPv4 definitively. It can be seen as the final phase of the migration to IPv6. This memo enumerates difficulties arising when sunsetting IPv4, and identifies the gaps requiring additional work. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sunset4-gapanalysis-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Mar 28 18:36:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FFE1A912D for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:36:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -112.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-112.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CkbbZQhtcrNh for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97BF51A912B for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:36:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3557; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1427592964; x=1428802564; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:reply-to:mime-version; bh=POZ/L2f52w373BIkPigH5u7YWoo+Kl0TLSLG4e48G2g=; b=AS9djnsNV6btz0iMBFjwBMoiWFMZEoLMX54B8MdM+33dt+i9AjxYTVVK GofYA3h4bgHuyBpeaMxoDorNiMfXBVQj9OpjcOdkblJUa3jN/ZJapNmRq hEiHlXQ1ecsP80wlYLWIYRRoSDk8xWh0kX96Yie0fEL9MP6zS/pIkpbiv w=; X-Files: signature.asc : 487 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A2BQAjVhdV/5pdJa1cgwZSXASDD7RsjVyFcQKBH0wBAQEBAQF9hBQBAQEDASNLCwULAgEIGCoCAjIlAgQOBQ4GiBMIDbIEhlOSEAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARMEiymEeAeCaC+BFgWFDYtPgWuBMgVPhgMBgRuDMowfg0gig25vAYFDfwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,486,1422921600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="136314262" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2015 01:36:03 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2T1a3uL015362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Mar 2015 01:36:03 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.149]) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com ([173.37.183.79]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 20:36:03 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: "sunset4@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Discussion: IPv4 as a Service Thread-Index: AQHQacC3itAl74S3NUCc8yN9PFBgNw== Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 01:36:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.117] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_492C7B30-D347-43AD-9765-C6DAF19C0D8B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "v6ops-ads@tools.ietf.org" , V6ops Chairs , "softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "sunset4-ads@tools.ietf.org" , "sunset4-chairs@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Discussion: IPv4 as a Service X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: IPv6 Ops WG List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 01:36:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_492C7B30-D347-43AD-9765-C6DAF19C0D8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I sent this the other day to v6ops; most of you are on that list and no = doubt received it. However, since Wes showed the question to sunset4, = I=E2=80=99d like to invite sunset4 to comment on the set of questions we = are collecting. = https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ifDEkoypW43lgZJqh2paUDcMAwoUWdz6psyEb4= 56c3A/edit?usp=3Dsharing I=E2=80=99d appreciate any comments you have on this being edited into = the file or in a reply to the list or to the chairs. > On Mar 25, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Fred Baker wrote: >=20 > Lee and I opened a discussion in the v6ops meeting today on a topic = that I believe that the IETF, in cooperation with the *NOGs, needs to = address. My slide is at = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-v6ops-9.pptx. = Sunset4 and softwire chairs, please feel free to forward this to your = mailing lists. >=20 > In short, we are starting to see the deployment of IPv6-only networks. = In most cases, these are existing IPv4 networks that have become dual = stack, and are somewhere in the process of shutting IPv4 down. These = include Facebook, which (regardless of whether you view it as an = enterprise or a content network) has been public about the fact, several = mobile networks that treat IPv6-capable telephones as an IPv6-only = network and use 464xlat as an operational methodology dealing with that, = and some research networks, notably CERNET2, which has been running = IPv6-only for ten years now. We also see green-field networks, such as = Reliance JIO Infocomm Ltd; Suprita Sah presented on that topic today. >=20 > I am of the opinion, and there seemed to be agreement in the room, = that the Internet community would be well served if we collected = deployment experience with these technologies, and the considered advice = of deploying operators. We have tried to guide the deployment of IPv6, = and gathered experience and mitigations for that. Now, as IPv4 begins to = fade, we need to take a leadership role in that. >=20 > I have opened a document on Google Docs, and given folks the ability = to view it. That is at = https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ifDEkoypW43lgZJqh2paUDcMAwoUWdz6psyEb4= 56c3A. I have included an initial list of relevant technologies, and an = initial list of the questions that we would want discussed in experience = documents. I guarantee that there is an important question not asked, = and while I hope otherwise, there may be some technology I have = overlooked. So I invite discussion to flesh out that initial phase. --Apple-Mail=_492C7B30-D347-43AD-9765-C6DAF19C0D8B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEVAwUBVRa0359ieig10VPpAQIzBQf/W5Tdb86MEpslFjftuHi8B6olgQSxycqj ygJlo6Tj95jBOezg86PSFGku68O3ImoUeu52JqP5yUQJuZR9O9mVEAq0Cx2IifEb aTFFG02EmYN0NOaZ34YqaTueOJ8+fYKkqtB3XIzGfuacaNDS8J/mWOUObU+lQ23+ z4LbynQwlWlt1BO1UziNDlrQV4Cm12Oq1pcBrDPalkZvEi0aWr+3K2zgRVVoI0wY 09tqkXzTFZJZO4H2yOluOIllmbdgDDKw/egFp8er2MuMNzkXcP3Yf8Sz0gQp7gaL T94Sg9TMpVC5pCbcsUFdr/R2B0uKHfJGmxk/U0VmAw6dDr0xiG7fEA== =/pZl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_492C7B30-D347-43AD-9765-C6DAF19C0D8B-- From nobody Mon Mar 30 12:54:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54D11A86FD; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:54:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -112.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-112.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ch-3xM2PlS11; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDD371A1BCB; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:54:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1710; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1427745265; x=1428954865; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=1jm2BvX4d0eY2LYL2841Np+19uuE0kAoa4Hy+7ZdZF8=; b=EVOaZbS+DQZjMEcCmKRiPTkdmYKp9yPYPqhFT0XP49G1goL3ofugyURU XFiqnRmQtqiqhybGExSXvDDQ+fchdjmwWPAY2uJUZI6GsYY4mj6WSagQv o6Y9bHugM8CK7P3zqG7O7inLh6AR5jvxU1w1nzabqmMEJXdXPCXf/D97X k=; X-Files: signature.asc : 487 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AtBQB4qRlV/5ldJa1cgwZSYIMPwi+FcQKBOkwBAQEBAQF9hBUBAQMBI1sLAgEIQgICMiUCBAEgiBkIDbJumQIBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQETBIsphH+CaC+BFgWQXIFrgTJUhgOUNSKDboIzfwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.11,496,1422921600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="136736739" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2015 19:54:17 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com [173.36.12.77]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2UJsHVh009122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:54:17 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.131]) by xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com ([173.36.12.77]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:54:17 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: IPv6 Ops WG , "sunset4@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [v6ops] Discussion: IPv4 as a Service Thread-Index: AQHQayNOg4kWwf156ESqrMiINuhM1g== Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:54:16 +0000 Message-ID: <95C21895-305F-46BD-A571-925FBD838EEA@cisco.com> References: <8EF27210-0C56-4F6D-81FD-B27EE34ED444@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.117] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_81BE3B01-FFB9-451F-A0E9-7AA9AD1F702A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [sunset4] [v6ops] Discussion: IPv4 as a Service X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 19:54:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_81BE3B01-FFB9-451F-A0E9-7AA9AD1F702A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Over the weekend, we crowd-sourced a number of pretty good questions. I = took the liberty, this morning, of reorganizing the text a bit. The = "list of technologies" and "list of questions" remain, but I have added = "possible (classes of) documents to be developed" and a first cut at a = proposed outline, with the questions from above pulled in to make it = clear what I might hope the section might comment on. Collecting comments and thoughts. I guarantee there is something we = haven=E2=80=99t thought of (as I was reorganizing, several points popped = out, and I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99m not that smart). > = https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ifDEkoypW43lgZJqh2paUDcMAwoUWdz6psyEb4= 56c3A/edit?usp=3Dsharing --Apple-Mail=_81BE3B01-FFB9-451F-A0E9-7AA9AD1F702A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEVAwUBVRmpFp9ieig10VPpAQLmPwgAgDB7y6doWpo5MosbOORV1E1duIvlN8tM EJ94K4NCNCFxKQDUELMFQ56BDXfqoWFOgxj0g3J0GDx8qPBTDWRlzhmLu9kic6Og GqK/5sYggcWrDAXlf+ceZ6feLgY4C+m/LThY0pVdo5oXmYb4lbkYi6Zz0gHdFK2u 92NB+NqKUPAqY1g1HZK+GanLaGgj2/95h3W9On7+c8Npnyu9+3Q9DpI79exyIoZK pWn8iU4YEWGEW7yKz4XECqkYLK1dsOaiSqruTk/c+/6Bb3CEdQTU0cXZZ7IB+rGf GMWZKrLPltxRpU/H9hdapMbS0p1qxeCpd2R2UjxJyx81wmAPdmDrLA== =oKgf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_81BE3B01-FFB9-451F-A0E9-7AA9AD1F702A--