From nobody Thu Feb 11 17:52:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A831B3DB9 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:52:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHEoJ6Ug9E0X for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgwym03.jp.fujitsu.com (mgwym03.jp.fujitsu.com [211.128.242.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF9141B3DB8 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2016 17:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from yt-mxoi2.gw.nic.fujitsu.com (unknown [192.168.229.69]) by mgwym03.jp.fujitsu.com with smtp id 1a6e_92f8_48f1e69c_c35e_4a41_be13_ce3425364977; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:52:02 +0900 Received: from m3051.s.css.fujitsu.com (m3051.s.css.fujitsu.com [10.134.21.209]) by yt-mxoi2.gw.nic.fujitsu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F9A3AC00F0 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:52:02 +0900 (JST) X-SecurityPolicyCheck: OK by SHieldMailChecker v2.0.1 X-SHieldMailCheckerPolicyVersion: FJ-ISEC-20120718-4 Message-ID: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:51:51 +0900 From: Naoki Matsuhira Organization: Fujitsu Limited User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; ja; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "George, Wes" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Cc: "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 01:52:14 -0000 Hi, Recently, I submitted six drafts. I want to ask sunset4 WG there are interests in these drafts. The basic idea is IPv4 mapped IPv6 address which could distinguish several IPv4 network including IPv4 private network with IPv4 private address (M46A). I am proposing encapsulation technologies using this address (M46E-FP, M46E-PR, M46E-PT) , and translation technology using this address(M46T). I am also proposing IPv4 address sharing technology(M4P6E). I thing there are proposal both sunset4 WG have interest and not interest. I especially would like to propose the encapsulation technologies. These technologies are IPv4 over IPv6 encapsulation, so by using these technologies, it is possible sunsetting IPv4 (IPv6 only )in network infrastructure, and provide IPv4 with overlay. I believe with this technology, could provide IPv4 as a service. That may first step to completely sunsetting IPv4, with staring focus to infrastructure. These six drafts are the following. https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46a-00.txt https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46e-fp-00.txt https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46e-pr-00.txt https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46e-pt-00.txt https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46t-00.txt https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m4p6e-00.txt In addition, these proposal had been proposed under the name SA46T in the past. Starting proposal, there was only one idea, however I got several ideas. So I organize and changing name, and re-submitted. If you know SA46T, I believe you will understand immediately. Regards Naoki Matsuhira (2016/01/20 0:05), George, Wes wrote: > Hello - > > WG scheduling cutoff is 19 February. That gives us almost exactly a > month. The list has been very quiet, and we need to see some activity to > justify a meeting – what does the WG wish to discuss face to face? > > Thanks, > > Wes > > Anything below this line has been added by my company’s mail server, I > have no control over it. > > ----------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable > proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject > to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. > If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby > notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken > in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is > strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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AQHRaCH6Zq6tWI0QIEaewHAXkl9mSw== Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 18:52:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> In-Reply-To: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.64.163.240] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.1191-8.000.1202-22132.005 x-tm-as-result: No--55.148000-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <2ECD13397DD9F04799B99736BDE3029E@twcable.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: 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<56C2F452.2040908@jp.fujitsu.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:05:06 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Cc: matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com, "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:05:25 -0000 Thank you, Wes, The essence of my proposal is thinking including private network with IPv4 private address. There are many many private network such as corporate network, so I believe transition technology should support IPv4 private address. We know that IPv6 is beginning to spread, in the near feature, the situation with wide IPv6 and small IPv4 and small but many IPv4 private will be the reality. Looking that time, IPv6 should wind up IPv4 network including private address, then enable IPv6 only operation in infrastructure, and provide IPv4 continuous use environment as a service. The technical essence of my proposal is Plane ID in M46A. And I propose my proposal as a general-purpose technology, and may apply many IPv4 network such as for backbone network, enterprise network, datacenter network. The difference from MAP, DSLite, 464XLat, I understand these are combined technology, i.e., NAT with hub and spoke Tunnel. In M46E (encapsulation) position, M46E and NAT combination may possible. I believe the decision of such combination is focusing to access network and main point is address sharing. As encapsulation technology, M46E support full mesh, and N point full mesh normally require N^2 configuration, however M46E-FP require N configuration. So I believe these proposal may contribute. Regards, Naoki On 2016/02/16 3:52, George, Wes wrote: > Let's start the discussion here - > > Can you explain how this is different from existing IPv4 over IPv6 > transition technologies e.g. MAP, DSLite, 464XLat? > IETF doesn't have a lot of appetite for defining yet another transition > technology, even those that use IPv6 to provide IPv4 as a service, so you > have an uphill battle to demonstrate why this is something we should work > on. What problems exist with the already defined and implemented protocols > listed above that this solves, and how? This is probably something that > should go in your intro draft, but you can start by writing something up > on the mailing list for discussion. > > Thanks, > > Wes > > > > > On 2/11/16, 8:51 PM, "Naoki Matsuhira" wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Recently, I submitted six drafts. I want to ask sunset4 WG there are >> interests in these drafts. >> >> The basic idea is IPv4 mapped IPv6 address which could distinguish >> several IPv4 network including IPv4 private network with IPv4 private >> address (M46A). >> >> I am proposing encapsulation technologies using this address (M46E-FP, >> M46E-PR, M46E-PT) , and translation technology using this address(M46T). >> I am also proposing IPv4 address sharing technology(M4P6E). >> >> I thing there are proposal both sunset4 WG have interest and not interest. >> >> I especially would like to propose the encapsulation technologies. These >> technologies are IPv4 over IPv6 encapsulation, so by using these >> technologies, it is possible sunsetting IPv4 (IPv6 only )in network >> infrastructure, and provide IPv4 with overlay. I believe with this >> technology, could provide IPv4 as a service. That may first step to >> completely sunsetting IPv4, with staring focus to infrastructure. >> >> These six drafts are the following. >> >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46a-00.txt >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46e-fp-00.txt >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46e-pr-00.txt >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46e-pt-00.txt >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m46t-00.txt >> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-m4p6e-00.txt >> >> In addition, these proposal had been proposed under the name SA46T in >> the past. Starting proposal, there was only one idea, however I got >> several ideas. So I organize and changing name, and re-submitted. If you >> know SA46T, I believe you will understand immediately. >> >> Regards >> >> Naoki Matsuhira >> >> >> >> >> (2016/01/20 0:05), George, Wes wrote: >>> Hello - >>> >>> WG scheduling cutoff is 19 February. That gives us almost exactly a >>> month. The list has been very quiet, and we need to see some activity to >>> justify a meeting – what does the WG wish to discuss face to face? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Wes >>> >>> Anything below this line has been added by my company’s mail server, I >>> have no control over it. >>> >>> ----------- >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable >>> proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject >>> to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F2581B3655 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from kw-mxoi1.gw.nic.fujitsu.com (unknown [192.168.231.131]) by mgwkm01.jp.fujitsu.com with smtp id 3dc0_1c36_76b96e41_018e_4165_afa3_13143db9da2d; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:04:32 +0900 Received: from m3050.s.css.fujitsu.com (msm.b.css.fujitsu.com [10.134.21.208]) by kw-mxoi1.gw.nic.fujitsu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D51AC022A for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:04:31 +0900 (JST) X-SecurityPolicyCheck: OK by SHieldMailChecker v2.0.1 X-SHieldMailCheckerPolicyVersion: FJ-ISEC-20120718-4 Message-ID: <56C55EDF.8090404@jp.fujitsu.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:04:15 +0900 From: Naoki Matsuhira Organization: Fujitsu Limited User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; ja; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "George, Wes" References: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C2F452.2040908@jp.fujitsu.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Cc: "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:04:39 -0000 Wes, I agree the necessity of problem statement. The draft of problem statement must require before next Buenos Aires meeting ? or continue on this mailing list? I commented in-line below focused only the point that I think. Thank you your advice that reorganizing to one or two drafts. I have my own reason why 6 drafts exists, however I would like to think at the time of future update. (2016/02/17 3:41), George, Wes wrote: > Below inline with WG] > > On 2/16/16, 5:05 AM, "Naoki Matsuhira" wrote: > > WG] it's not totally clear from the above, but it sounds like you're > proposing a method to connect IPv4-only islands over an IPv6-only network. > There are multiple existing solutions for this, including GRE or IPv4 in > IPv6 tunnels, MPLS encapsulation (L2/L3 VPNs), etc. The IETF has also > identified a need for "4PE", which is the IPv4 over IPv6 version of > RFC4798 (6PE) to do these sorts of island connections in a way that > involves less manual provisioning of tunnels. (see RFC 7439 section 3.3.2) Basically yes. so I think GRE and IPv4 in IPv6 tunnel are the comparison. These technology needs N^2 configuration to connect N with fullmesh. For example, in enterprise network, there are dual stack backbone and many dual stack stub network, and if backbone dual stack network operation move to IPv6 only operation, M46E-FP should contribute. > WG] your proposal is very light on details, so it is difficult to evaluate > its applicability. Your mention of plane IDs makes me think that you're > describing a way to disambiguate overlapping private address space, > similar to the VPNv4 address used in RFC4364, which is why I mentioned 4PE > above. I'm sorry for may poor description capability. We already have a running code and demonstrate at WIDE camp, Interop tokyo (3 years) , JGN-plus testbed, Strabed testbed. These technologies already work. I think draft can more refined on revision. Thanks, Naoki From nobody Thu Feb 18 02:55:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5891B3D67 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:55:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EUhfFbAkaitU for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cowbell.employees.org (cowbell.employees.org [65.50.211.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 177101B3D5D for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cowbell.employees.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cowbell.employees.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAE8D78A3; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:55:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=employees.org; h=subject :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id :references:to; s=selector1; bh=t68qNlfWxtMjNE4/8ckS+gDYIjU=; b= ZPsygCjBvHw+acmZM1MeGjDw5aYZzqFPULgaOUQW8jjREtlWm0LsWVqYfiDqxGg1 1sRJbQ71Exoq1WoseinT+0YcGAeOVRkYdPc+s3d9S1Ed+uB8xjh2VfWk3i8Nnj9G YbKom189Jg+vDQDqQ58wNVkX4o+8o2H8KSEaxV6pUEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=employees.org; h=subject :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id :references:to; q=dns; s=selector1; b=YXR2MbwOQVUrI73vBclFaoCVOb 8RT77UZSDFp5Pc3AMGqd/KEcZTqgU1S8kOMll1eRLQW5ZvzBsKbPiko4LPd1iqL2 ebiOHdIcbTxCp2n5Vwu71FZnY0cm7RoX1heA+ZswqOR4DF27JDxdnkuBsvQsLmpx joVO82aNG7LGCvb50= Received: from h.hanazo.no (unknown [195.243.240.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: otroan) by cowbell.employees.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3E52D7884; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by h.hanazo.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F321135F40; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:55:13 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C3F22DEF-9A6E-4B35-8170-77809A2E5229"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: otroan@employees.org In-Reply-To: <56C55EDF.8090404@jp.fujitsu.com> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 11:55:12 +0100 Message-Id: References: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C2F452.2040908@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C55EDF.8090404@jp.fujitsu.com> To: matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: "sunset4@ietf.org" , "George, Wes" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:55:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C3F22DEF-9A6E-4B35-8170-77809A2E5229 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Naoki, MAP et al already supports: - private IPv4 addresses - full IPv4 address or IPv4 prefix (i.e. does not need NAT44 on the CE) - does mesh mode I'm not quite sure I understand what's left of the problem space to solve. Best regards, Ole > On 18 Feb 2016, at 07:04, Naoki Matsuhira wrote: > > Wes, > > I agree the necessity of problem statement. The draft of problem > statement must require before next Buenos Aires meeting ? or continue > on this mailing list? > > I commented in-line below focused only the point that I think. > > Thank you your advice that reorganizing to one or two drafts. I have my > own reason why 6 drafts exists, however I would like to think at the > time of future update. > > (2016/02/17 3:41), George, Wes wrote: >> Below inline with WG] >> >> On 2/16/16, 5:05 AM, "Naoki Matsuhira" wrote: >> >> WG] it's not totally clear from the above, but it sounds like you're >> proposing a method to connect IPv4-only islands over an IPv6-only network. >> There are multiple existing solutions for this, including GRE or IPv4 in >> IPv6 tunnels, MPLS encapsulation (L2/L3 VPNs), etc. The IETF has also >> identified a need for "4PE", which is the IPv4 over IPv6 version of >> RFC4798 (6PE) to do these sorts of island connections in a way that >> involves less manual provisioning of tunnels. (see RFC 7439 section 3.3.2) > > Basically yes. so I think GRE and IPv4 in IPv6 tunnel are the > comparison. These technology needs N^2 configuration to connect N with > fullmesh. For example, in enterprise network, there are dual stack > backbone and many dual stack stub network, and if backbone dual stack > network operation move to IPv6 only operation, M46E-FP should contribute. > > >> WG] your proposal is very light on details, so it is difficult to evaluate >> its applicability. Your mention of plane IDs makes me think that you're >> describing a way to disambiguate overlapping private address space, >> similar to the VPNv4 address used in RFC4364, which is why I mentioned 4PE >> above. > > I'm sorry for may poor description capability. > We already have a running code and demonstrate at WIDE camp, Interop > tokyo (3 years) , JGN-plus testbed, Strabed testbed. These technologies > already work. I think draft can more refined on revision. > > Thanks, > > Naoki > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > sunset4 mailing list > sunset4@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sunset4 --Apple-Mail=_C3F22DEF-9A6E-4B35-8170-77809A2E5229 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWxaMRAAoJEL7aWKiYQt925jkP/3c/BHmkycrdprM7gsVzUGj1 GaCYDiqBwQu0+ODP+05ThPtefF2z6WTrIYPtQrgQVwhkdIaEu+cWKXpDmftJ2qa/ IrzkITmhp+yfFV7vSezoaqf2u6el3Pza1V7CwKasr0rQaiAiGFZfIGuUWDqXjVC8 bQFUaydcf+SReEMMvx8RMY3um2Soo35++gKdZNa6eZ8zw5xupFN2KRZ3e2/FAzJ/ qujM9BclYi686OoHs+UrIUoU2rinugZlTapz8X/tm6tY4EQUTou64rpxemsswgzn oo0lNbv4PLVCgaA+g8Olo22Fvzq60Cdg01ILqNcMwnsoxUXNU8pQ9X7UlfmwOFMR 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"George, Wes" To: "matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com" Thread-Topic: [sunset4] Meeting in BA Thread-Index: AQHRanYy+LP5Y+soskW+EZB3vgEG/A== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 18:00:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C2F452.2040908@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C55EDF.8090404@jp.fujitsu.com> In-Reply-To: <56C55EDF.8090404@jp.fujitsu.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.64.163.240] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.1191-8.000.1202-22138.004 x-tm-as-result: No--36.921000-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 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ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 621051B3828 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 2016 15:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from kw-mxoi2.gw.nic.fujitsu.com (unknown [192.168.231.133]) by mgwkm03.jp.fujitsu.com with smtp id 034a_197c_f7391fbc_1853_4058_bcef_79d866d9b1de; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 08:54:17 +0900 Received: from m3051.s.css.fujitsu.com (m3051.s.css.fujitsu.com [10.134.21.209]) by kw-mxoi2.gw.nic.fujitsu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B78DAC0181 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 08:54:16 +0900 (JST) X-SecurityPolicyCheck: OK by SHieldMailChecker v2.0.1 X-SHieldMailCheckerPolicyVersion: FJ-ISEC-20120718-4 Message-ID: <56C6599A.5010806@jp.fujitsu.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 08:54:02 +0900 From: Naoki Matsuhira Organization: Fujitsu Limited User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; ja; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: otroan@employees.org References: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C2F452.2040908@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C55EDF.8090404@jp.fujitsu.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Cc: "George, Wes" , "sunset4@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 23:54:25 -0000 Ole, Is RFC7597 is corrent document to understand your comments ? I know MAP-E and MAP-T. Does MAP means both MAP-E and MAP-T? regards, Naoki (2016/02/18 19:55), otroan@employees.org wrote: > Naoki, > > MAP et al already supports: > - private IPv4 addresses > - full IPv4 address or IPv4 prefix (i.e. does not need NAT44 on the CE) > - does mesh mode > > I'm not quite sure I understand what's left of the problem space to solve. > > Best regards, > Ole > > >> On 18 Feb 2016, at 07:04, Naoki Matsuhira wrote: >> >> Wes, >> >> I agree the necessity of problem statement. The draft of problem >> statement must require before next Buenos Aires meeting ? or continue >> on this mailing list? >> >> I commented in-line below focused only the point that I think. >> >> Thank you your advice that reorganizing to one or two drafts. I have my >> own reason why 6 drafts exists, however I would like to think at the >> time of future update. >> >> (2016/02/17 3:41), George, Wes wrote: >>> Below inline with WG] >>> >>> On 2/16/16, 5:05 AM, "Naoki Matsuhira" wrote: >>> >>> WG] it's not totally clear from the above, but it sounds like you're >>> proposing a method to connect IPv4-only islands over an IPv6-only network. >>> There are multiple existing solutions for this, including GRE or IPv4 in >>> IPv6 tunnels, MPLS encapsulation (L2/L3 VPNs), etc. The IETF has also >>> identified a need for "4PE", which is the IPv4 over IPv6 version of >>> RFC4798 (6PE) to do these sorts of island connections in a way that >>> involves less manual provisioning of tunnels. (see RFC 7439 section 3.3.2) >> >> Basically yes. so I think GRE and IPv4 in IPv6 tunnel are the >> comparison. These technology needs N^2 configuration to connect N with >> fullmesh. For example, in enterprise network, there are dual stack >> backbone and many dual stack stub network, and if backbone dual stack >> network operation move to IPv6 only operation, M46E-FP should contribute. >> >> >>> WG] your proposal is very light on details, so it is difficult to evaluate >>> its applicability. Your mention of plane IDs makes me think that you're >>> describing a way to disambiguate overlapping private address space, >>> similar to the VPNv4 address used in RFC4364, which is why I mentioned 4PE >>> above. >> >> I'm sorry for may poor description capability. >> We already have a running code and demonstrate at WIDE camp, Interop >> tokyo (3 years) , JGN-plus testbed, Strabed testbed. These technologies >> already work. I think draft can more refined on revision. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Naoki >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sunset4 mailing list >> sunset4@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sunset4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > sunset4 mailing list > sunset4@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sunset4 From nobody Fri Feb 19 13:23:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sunset4@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4821B3178 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:23:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.006, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BVuMAC2wSqjS for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cowbell.employees.org (cowbell.employees.org [IPv6:2001:1868:a000:17::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 922671B2FBD for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cowbell.employees.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cowbell.employees.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF63FD7894; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:23:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=employees.org; h=subject :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id :references:to; s=selector1; bh=W6VsTuQsS6n41TRf/ftDKJ3yYjs=; b= LfT/yY3V4sYiwpFwPrl5bQh4tiB3Uyph30L7sfhgeAeoO2CG/7t7CzqHdaOX92BN bOWQ3O8Kf9lTblkbspd2M6fVr0JNJEZKjHkOfhutX0sbXardvJXTIHe7mnfmmguM 37XVsSTC6MG6iVFYN5tVxyFGwBOqdd8/D2kTolCv60A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=employees.org; h=subject :mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id :references:to; q=dns; s=selector1; b=TTG298I0N0HcmmEF04+lP/NeEY FhJnRAxrFWjeBBU5sKfLJh72xZ7Hs/KISt78gW6CbZ7PGdhooGbn3s5h8FW+G1cQ B10JGDT7AxgdDpQNmI2+Ps9HBxqzmCgcCkRq8gLh81HZQLtkUurJ6gXow0+I9lWj BzFbmp83xBv5vprxg= Received: from h.hanazo.no (cm-84.215.10.233.getinternet.no [84.215.10.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: otroan) by cowbell.employees.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 95C78D7883; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 13:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by h.hanazo.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BBE1141597; Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:23:36 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3216CEC4-FB08-4A81-B0D1-3F8B9FBEC088"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: otroan@employees.org In-Reply-To: <56C6599A.5010806@jp.fujitsu.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 22:23:34 +0100 Message-Id: <10C46BAE-C4B6-4238-9138-6C3D12C771B7@employees.org> References: <56BD3AB7.1020701@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C2F452.2040908@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C55EDF.8090404@jp.fujitsu.com> <56C6599A.5010806@jp.fujitsu.com> To: matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Cc: "sunset4@ietf.org" , "George, Wes" Subject: Re: [sunset4] Meeting in BA X-BeenThere: sunset4@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: sunset4 working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 21:23:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3216CEC4-FB08-4A81-B0D1-3F8B9FBEC088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Naoki, > Is RFC7597 is corrent document to understand your comments ? >=20 > I know MAP-E and MAP-T. Does MAP means both MAP-E and MAP-T? yes, 7597 is a good starting point. MAP refers to both. And you can = include LW46 (RFC7596) if you like. 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Naoki On 2016/02/20 6:23, otroan@employees.org wrote: > Naoki, > >> Is RFC7597 is corrent document to understand your comments ? >> >> I know MAP-E and MAP-T. Does MAP means both MAP-E and MAP-T? > > yes, 7597 is a good starting point. MAP refers to both. And you can include LW46 (RFC7596) if you like. > > Best regards, > Ole >