From nobody Fri Feb 12 13:27:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8936A1A8F3B for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:27:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pc9aACZMw4HI for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2006D1A8F39 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BAF1C05A9 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:27:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1455312449; bh=aBD1VluaBc1PJL/dXzkt4pW457WXqBcB9uQWM8g0PVg=; h=Subject:References:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=MSAvNhI5pHhUGigGqWTyZp35huIDl8BiQvo4KZk08haT6e/2ktUec7PxAfE0YZuU7 6CPpQMQF4Whbb3eawuVVFaZF2lAGWZB6BUYzyqQbx/SwZGU8Ul2fq3VlF+FALksegi OGUM3jFwkmGc/17hjInAmJNLsG6dRWR76lHdj5mc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from Joels-MacBook-Pro.local (209-255-163-147.ip.mcleodusa.net [209.255.163.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60C0A1C04BF for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2016 13:27:29 -0800 (PST) References: <20160212190950.963.98316.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: supa@ietf.org From: Joel Halpern X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20160212190950.963.98316.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <56BE4E09.3010402@joelhalpern.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 16:26:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160212190950.963.98316.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Supa] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt X-BeenThere: supa@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss SUPA \(Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions\) related issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 21:27:31 -0000 Below is the announcement of the revision of the Generic Information Model for the SUPA work. John has done the heavy lifting on this, with help from Jason and myself. Over the last several months, we have made a lot of changes to this model. We really need working group review and comment on this. We will be working with the team that produced the earlier YANG models to drive a new YANG model that reflects this information model. So if we have made mistakes here, we need to know ASAP. In the absence of significant concerns, once we have gotten a YANG model derived, we will also ask for WG adoption of this document. So please, read it and comment. Yours, Joel -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:09:50 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Generic Policy Information Model for Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions (SUPA) Authors : John Strassner Joel Halpern Jason Coleman Filename : draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt Pages : 115 Date : 2016-02-12 Abstract: This document defines an information model for representing policies using a common extensible framework that is independent of language, protocol, repository. It is also independent of the level of abstraction of the content and meaning of a policy. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nobody Mon Feb 29 12:35:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: supa@ietf.org Delivered-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34C31A8F40; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 14:34:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.14.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160228223430.13221.49372.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 14:34:30 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:34:27 -0800 Subject: [Supa] The SUPA WG has placed draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: supa@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "This list is to discuss SUPA \(Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions\) related issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 22:34:30 -0000 The SUPA WG has placed draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Nevil Brownlee) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model/ Comment: This is the first of our charter documents, the other charter items build on this From nobody Mon Feb 29 16:16:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6CC1A1BF5 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:16:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.678 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.678 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XgYoLb2w6Q57 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-x22f.google.com (mail-lb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FB661A1BF2 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:16:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lb0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id bc4so89853354lbc.2 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:16:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yumaworks-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=8DuYFLUoymv3wV5P43asH7/q6+EW9PEvC3WmpcZnNbI=; b=2I5Y8G/MOtnx2Pm7RGeU2rOX15FMyURZbL2+TV13m+3M0zR2UyR9o2ABQeAp0X8veT 0gr8ukPvCj0GYNnl995lvmkOTyAtZtIkuPtyrUWhj8iYkjckFFboULcw6TtGDg3uBeKd Y+ktL7iZn78riuJaaca2+S451hhoEEhxA7XXl2eVpfEucqo5f1OT1Wvp2vCHVtLvQDcf i7MqfvViyC29Tc9gvmwMDCpD0wC7Ua1a/MgDdnMMMSKFvdktTUwhMxWs4zgHXDrlUd7t TfVLKMg2zwk1QsvOItUQ+tDKL3/O6+cH9UD1VEgL/W4iPInf97v8+egaUouyGmMfxrqN O1uA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=8DuYFLUoymv3wV5P43asH7/q6+EW9PEvC3WmpcZnNbI=; b=P6+OR6+FjENwQFVLZmaM5wmlf3tqKssItFlCmyI4/xa1UJo7JiAryH2EtbNrz0+X2P qH8JVU06l0OLLfQLBEqt5KuLC12eqW6sW6uw7IWy7MNicjowioUgt7ByFEj3ydPbRybW jiPKoexl5emIEwren6Q9R/HQ26OpLg7+Xktna4SZ2ftoBb0JVM6lZoZUp5Fsj+5LNNeD PYKtOaPi69JWDNWAuX6R9zNjNYC03Sid7sYF5nGJR1YnV3428wChRbjRyTM5383hgovM R4lEcoC7uLldtkjEebpdIZPc7VZB+jVtIMvPUy7+pJRXwgAw7SC4E0GMQrx2ZkiPU/Nk BzaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJL4edXEbehly6rk2/JiGJwTP3GOUHnwys1f1+toNCTQhb3oPTmBMOcqy2Pso15ZD3m39mmxZZ5ClmPDHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.171.163 with SMTP id av3mr6668383lbc.145.1456791390010; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.110.68 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:16:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56BE4E09.3010402@joelhalpern.com> References: <20160212190950.963.98316.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56BE4E09.3010402@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:16:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: Andy Bierman To: Joel Halpern Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c36b36505dd5052cf1ad3d Archived-At: Cc: supa@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Supa] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt X-BeenThere: supa@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss SUPA \(Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions\) related issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 00:16:34 -0000 --001a11c36b36505dd5052cf1ad3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, I read this draft and I am still confused how it is really used. It is not clear what is supposed to be implemented. Variable == Event.baz (A) Condition BETWEEN VALUE1 and VALUE2 (B) (Event.severity == 'Critical' AND (SLA.violation == TRUE OR User.class == 'Gold')) (C) Sec 4.3 suggests there is some policy syntax but there is no ABNF to follow to construct the syntax. Even if there was a syntax and some examples, I do not see how SUPA uses YANG. It appears that one would somehow create an info model in the SUPA engine which represents the policy. YANG seems irrelevant if this is the case. If SUPA is supposed to work with YANG somehow, then it would be good to explain how. Andy On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Joel Halpern wrote: > Below is the announcement of the revision of the Generic Information Model > for the SUPA work. John has done the heavy lifting on this, with help from > Jason and myself. > > Over the last several months, we have made a lot of changes to this model. > > We really need working group review and comment on this. > > We will be working with the team that produced the earlier YANG models to > drive a new YANG model that reflects this information model. So if we have > made mistakes here, we need to know ASAP. > > In the absence of significant concerns, once we have gotten a YANG model > derived, we will also ask for WG adoption of this document. > > So please, read it and comment. > > Yours, > Joel > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:09:50 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Generic Policy Information Model for Simplified > Use of Policy Abstractions (SUPA) > Authors : John Strassner > Joel Halpern > Jason Coleman > Filename : > draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt > Pages : 115 > Date : 2016-02-12 > > Abstract: > This document defines an information model for representing > policies using a common extensible framework that is independent > of language, protocol, repository. It is also independent of the > level of abstraction of the content and meaning of a policy. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Supa mailing list > Supa@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/supa > --001a11c36b36505dd5052cf1ad3d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I read this draft and I am still co= nfused how it is really used.
It is not clear what is supposed to= be implemented.

   Variable =
=3D=3D Event.baz                                        (A)
     Condition BETWEEN VALUE1 and VALUE2                          (B)
     (Event.severity =3D=3D 'Critical' AND
       (SLA.violation =3D=3D TRUE OR User.class =3D=3D 'Gold'))    =
       (C)


Sec 4.3 suggests there i= s some policy syntax but there is no ABNF
to follow to construct the syn= tax.

Even if there was a syntax and some examples,= I do not see how SUPA uses YANG.
It appears that one would someh= ow create an info model in the SUPA engine
which represents the p= olicy.=C2=A0 YANG seems irrelevant if this is the case.
If SUPA i= s supposed to work with YANG somehow, then it would be good
to ex= plain how.



Andy




On Fri, Feb 1= 2, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Joel Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wro= te:
Below is the announcement of the revi= sion of the Generic Information Model for the SUPA work.=C2=A0 John has don= e the heavy lifting on this, with help from Jason and myself.

Over the last several months, we have made a lot of changes to this model.<= br>
We really need working group review and comment on this.

We will be working with the team that produced the earlier YANG models to d= rive a new YANG model that reflects this information model.=C2=A0 So if we = have made mistakes here, we need to know ASAP.

In the absence of significant concerns, once we have gotten a YANG model de= rived, we will also ask for WG adoption of this document.

So please, read it and comment.

Yours,
Joel


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: I-D Action: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt<= br> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:09:50 -0800
From: interne= t-drafts@ietf.org
Reply-To: int= ernet-drafts@ietf.org
To: i-d-announce= @ietf.org


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Generic Policy Information Model for Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions= (SUPA)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: John= Strassner
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Joel Halpern
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jason Coleman
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-str= assner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 115
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2016-02-12

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines an information model for representing =C2=A0 =C2=A0policies using a common extensible framework that is independe= nt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of language, protocol, repository. It is also independent of t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0level of abstraction of the content and meaning of a policy.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/= html/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.iet= f.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04<= br>

Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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--001a11c36b36505dd5052cf1ad3d-- From nobody Mon Feb 29 17:52:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C071D1A898B for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rzS57ISvdP3L for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD18A1A8988 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EEB7A054B; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:52:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1456797134; bh=E6QaevpLkrWT042iWuMdN9KARwv3C61Toqx2KQyr8iA=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=mXFmF9ELTEZMIPzKGV4ZkdRTwdQEAKk8Os8Y8u73gYqeb5DxyfJWDQTx0IXhfOoEb IIVmKfCoC0pMyGTQHGIprzlm9dXhY0XP8OJugVsPxLyR6T4A6UbfsUDyCIvAHUIz+A mcGnmHgLVuLJ+IwOodGaeuVpUDmcfCssKtDWGUMI= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from joels-mbp.home (pool-98-114-54-183.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [98.114.54.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C0DA7A0545; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:52:14 -0800 (PST) To: Andy Bierman References: <20160212190950.963.98316.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <56BE4E09.3010402@joelhalpern.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <56D4F5C9.2050901@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 20:52:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: supa@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Supa] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt X-BeenThere: supa@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss SUPA \(Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions\) related issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 01:52:16 -0000 There are several aspects. 1) The Information model (and the data model) support several means of expressing policies. This is because different environments have demonstrated different needs with earlier policy systems. 2) Many of the classes will need subclasses before we can get to actually describing policies that can be applied. For example, the Event, Condition, and Action classes will need to be subclasses to represent differen events, etc... 3) We are translating this information model into YANG. As a separate mater, there is the question of who the communicating parties are that will use the YANG. For different kinds of policies, this will likely be different. Yours, Joel On 2/29/16 7:16 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > I read this draft and I am still confused how it is really used. > It is not clear what is supposed to be implemented. > > Variable == Event.baz (A) > Condition BETWEEN VALUE1 and VALUE2 (B) > (Event.severity == 'Critical' AND > (SLA.violation == TRUE OR User.class == 'Gold')) (C) > > > > Sec 4.3 suggests there is some policy syntax but there is no ABNF > to follow to construct the syntax. > > Even if there was a syntax and some examples, I do not see how SUPA uses > YANG. > It appears that one would somehow create an info model in the SUPA engine > which represents the policy. YANG seems irrelevant if this is the case. > If SUPA is supposed to work with YANG somehow, then it would be good > to explain how. > > > > Andy > > > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Joel Halpern > wrote: > > Below is the announcement of the revision of the Generic Information > Model for the SUPA work. John has done the heavy lifting on this, > with help from Jason and myself. > > Over the last several months, we have made a lot of changes to this > model. > > We really need working group review and comment on this. > > We will be working with the team that produced the earlier YANG > models to drive a new YANG model that reflects this information > model. So if we have made mistakes here, we need to know ASAP. > > In the absence of significant concerns, once we have gotten a YANG > model derived, we will also ask for WG adoption of this document. > > So please, read it and comment. > > Yours, > Joel > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: > draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt > Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:09:50 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Generic Policy Information Model for > Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions (SUPA) > Authors : John Strassner > Joel Halpern > Jason Coleman > Filename : > draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt > Pages : 115 > Date : 2016-02-12 > > Abstract: > This document defines an information model for representing > policies using a common extensible framework that is independent > of language, protocol, repository. It is also independent of the > level of abstraction of the content and meaning of a policy. > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org > . > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > Supa mailing list > Supa@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/supa > > From nobody Mon Feb 29 18:04:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: supa@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93311A89B3 for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:00:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_54=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nKn4dvS03tqS for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 039EF1A89AE for ; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16E57A049B; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:59:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1456797599; bh=PvkMmWEn4r2x2l3NfIaxuiyAC6zjuPCmsYpmeArEFRM=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:From; b=UPEFK7wsTucw4qh8AM7srTUjIdQgTzABnjtXFy/8zS0HwzSUMsbIAXZ+7KulvHdU/ BIlo7RZepjCzTk11CKBgtN85eKyG/Shs3SfrdW2x2rRvBe1OBJf0PkR94/se+f/c8q 0bNgsjMgD7ad5fBucpqDdx0Xu4E2oNYLOBFObHBQ= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.1.20] (pool-98-114-54-183.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [98.114.54.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 87BD81C0445; Mon, 29 Feb 2016 17:59:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 20:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: Importance: normal From: "jmh.direct" To: Andy Bierman , Joel Halpern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--_com.samsung.android.email_1778576968313890" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 18:04:13 -0800 Cc: supa@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Supa] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model-04.txt X-BeenThere: supa@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss SUPA \(Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions\) related issues." 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[10.111.156.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090201.56D52505.0136, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 74fbcaa6ea59909d176e79275f6f4f48 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Supa] The SUPA WG has placed draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued" X-BeenThere: supa@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "This list is to discuss SUPA \(Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions\) related issues." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2016 05:13:46 -0000 If this is a poll for WG adoption, I would say not support. If we want to finally generate YANG data models here, why do we spend time = working on this information model? Why not focus on the ECA YANG data model directly as standard track? Tianran > -----Original Message----- > From: Supa [mailto:supa-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat > Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:35 AM > To: draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model@ietf.org; > supa-chairs@ietf.org; supa@ietf.org > Subject: [Supa] The SUPA WG has placed > draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model in state "Call For > Adoption By WG Issued" >=20 >=20 > The SUPA WG has placed draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-info-model in > state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Nevil Brownlee) >=20 > The document is available at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-strassner-supa-generic-policy-i > nfo-model/ >=20 >=20 > Comment: > This is the first of our charter documents, the other charter items build > on this >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Supa mailing list > Supa@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/supa