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Kinoshita" To: Steffen Schwigon , Christophe Strobbe In-Reply-To: <87d3d1qc0v.fsf@renormalist.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "tap@ietf.org" , Shadi Abou-Zahra Subject: Re: [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EARL) X-BeenThere: tap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Bruno P. Kinoshita" List-Id: Test Anything Protocol WG discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:26:56 -0000 Hi all,=C2=A0=0A=0AFor the last three weeks or so, testanything.org has bee= n down. I tried pinging the tap mailing list, but got no response. Tried to= contact Test::More maintainer to see if he knew someone with karma to upda= te the web site but got no response so far.=0A=0AThis is the last message I= found in my inbox regarding TAP, so I apologize beforehand for bothering y= ou all :-)=0A=0ADoes anybody know where I can find one of the testanything.= org administrators, please?=C2=A0=0A=0AThank you in advance, and sorry for = the trouble.=0A=0AAll the best,=0A=0ABruno P. Kinoshita=0Ahttp://kinoshita.= eti.br=0Ahttp://tupilabs.com=0A=0A=0A>________________________________=0A> = From: Steffen Schwigon =0A>To: Christophe Strobbe =0A>Cc: tap@ietf.org; Shadi Abou-Zahra =0A>Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:25 PM=0A>Subject: Re: = [tap] W3C Evaluation and Report Language (EARL)=0A> =0A>Christophe Strobbe = writes:=0A>> Report Language (EARL) a= nd a few related specifications. EARL's core=0A>> use case is reporting the= results of accessibility evaluations of=0A>> websites (i.e. accessibility = for persons with disabilities), but the=0A>> language itself is generic, so= it can also be used in other=0A>> contexts. The language is based on RDF;= =0A>> [=E2=80=A6]=0A>> During our last call for comments, one of the review= ers asked the=0A>> working group if EARL duplicates TAP's efforts, or vice = versa. The=0A>> working group thinks that this is not the case; we think th= at EARL=0A>> could be an alternative report format for TAP if a TAP consume= r could=0A>> be written that produces EARL. For this reason, we thought it = would be=0A>> interesting to contact you and to make sure we are aware of e= ach=0A>> other's work.=0A>=0A>Thanks for sync'ing this back to us. I just s= kimmed through the specs=0A>and it was indeed interesting. As far as I unde= rstand from my (very=0A>short) skimming I think it's not that many duplicat= ion of effort as the=0A>main difference is a philosophical one.=0A>=0A>- EA= RL is similar to other W3C specs in respect to specifying a=0A>=C2=A0 compr= ehensive snapshot of known existing topics. For example, it=0A>=C2=A0 parti= cularly covers all known HTTP methods (POST, GET, PUT, =E2=80=A6). That=0A>= =C2=A0 enables it to build tools on top of it that sematically =E2=80=9Ckno= w=E2=80=9D what=0A>=C2=A0 the document is about.=0A>=0A>- TAP in contrast i= s about specifying test results, really just the=0A>=C2=A0 *result* focus w= ithout hard specification of the tested topic, i.e., a=0A>=C2=A0 single tes= t has a =E2=80=9Cdescription=E2=80=9D, so someone reading it knows what it= =0A>=C2=A0 is about but that part does not have a specification. =0A>=0A>= =C2=A0 For instance, a test about a HTTP method could have any description= =0A>=C2=A0 from =E2=80=9CPOST=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cthat strange other metho= d that I never remember but=0A>=C2=A0 always use when GET is not sufficient= =E2=80=9D.=0A>=0A>=0A>See [1] for some related discussion of this aspect.= =0A>=0A>In this respect I think TAP is more like your RDF with some extensi= ons=0A>from EARL to describe test success.=0A>=0A>That makes the use-cases = of TAP and EARL a bit different: =0A>=0A>- TAP allows to be produced by any= thing simple without toolchain=0A>=C2=A0 support, like embedded devices wit= h nothing but a =E2=80=9Cprint=E2=80=9D function,=0A>=C2=A0 but you can not= *sematically* evaluate results.=0A>=0A>- EARL seems to require more heavy = toolchain support to produce but=0A>=C2=A0 allows more semantic result eval= uation.=0A>=0A>Converting TAP to EARL is difficult. =0A>Converting EARL to = TAP is easy.=0A>=0A>On the evaluation of TAP I can point to TAP::DOM and Da= ta::DPath, which=0A>provide a more structured approach to evaluate test res= ults, see my =E2=80=9CTAP=0A>Juggling=E2=80=9D slides[2], page 30ff.=0A>=0A= >Kind regards,=0A>Steffen=0A>=0A>=0A>Footnotes: =0A>[1]=C2=A0 http://grokba= se.com/p/perl.org/qa/2008/04/re-tap-l-user-supplied-yaml-diagnostic-keys-de= scriptive-version/11ymnpm2765ztojoinznq2lz5674=0A>=0A>[2]=C2=A0 http://www.= amd64.org/fileadmin/user_upload/pub/yapc_eu_2011_tapjuggling.pdf=0A>=0A>-- = =0A>Steffen Schwigon =0A>Dresden Perl Mongers =0A>_______________________________________________=0A>tap = mailing list=0A>tap@ietf.org=0A>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tap= =0A>=0A>=0A>=C2=A0 From sjn@pvv.ntnu.no Thu Dec 20 08:15:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D82C21F88B0 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:15:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.014 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.014 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vHHQ1mwrkrH5 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from microbel.pvv.ntnu.no (microbel.pvv.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:1900::1:2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512D321F8842 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sjn by microbel.pvv.ntnu.no with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tlily-0001ye-7f; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:15:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:15:02 +0100 (CET) From: Salve J Nilsen X-X-Sender: sjn@microbel.pvv.ntnu.no To: "Bruno P. Kinoshita" In-Reply-To: <1356002814.52270.YahooMailNeo@web140703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20111109131023.02af29c0@esat.kuleuven.be> <87d3d1qc0v.fsf@renormalist.net> <1356002814.52270.YahooMailNeo@web140703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: "tap@ietf.org" Subject: [tap] testanything.org is down X-BeenThere: tap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Test Anything Protocol WG discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:15:06 -0000 Hi Bruno & all, [Cc: Andy, since he's hosting the domain] Bruno P. Kinoshita said: >=20 > Hi all,=C2=A0 > > For the last three weeks or so, testanything.org has been down. I=20 > tried pinging the tap mailing list, but got no response. Tried to=20 > contact Test::More maintainer to see if he knew someone with karma=20 > to update the web site but got no response so far. > > This is the last message I found in my inbox regarding TAP, so I=20 > apologize beforehand for bothering you all :-) > > Does anybody know where I can find one of the testanything.org=20 > administrators, please?=C2=A0 $ whois testanything.org | grep ^Admin | grep -v :$ Admin ID:tulY0yUXw7Xkuxmn Admin Name:Andy Armstrong Admin Organization:Hexten Admin Street1:Bridge End Barn Admin City:Garrigill Admin State/Province:Cumbria Admin Postal Code:CA93DR Admin Country:GB Admin Phone:+44.01434381641 Admin Email:andy@hexten.net Apparently Andy's pretty busy these days. He also hasn't been on the=20 #perl-qa IRC channel on irc.perl.org either in a while (TAP is=20 discussed now and then in that channel). Maybe Andy can tell us a little about what's going on? :) - Salve J. Nilsen --=20 #!/usr/bin/perl sub AUTOLOAD{$AUTOLOAD=3D~/.*::(\d+)/;seek(DATA,$1,0);print# Salve Joshua = Nilsen getc DATA}$"=3D"'};&{'";@_=3Dunpack("C*",unpack("u*",':4@,$'.# '2!--"5-(50P%$PL,!0X354UC-PP%/0\`'."\n"));eval "&{'@_'}"; __END__ is near= ! :) From andy@hexten.net Thu Dec 20 08:52:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tap@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tap@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1675921F84F2 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_72=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jeddQb2LU646 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from eric.hexten.net (post.hexten.net [188.40.67.148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019D721F8602 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eric.hexten.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB94103A011; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:52:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from eric.hexten.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eric.hexten.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sm3vHSUHTiUW; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: by eric.hexten.net (Postfix, from userid 1381) id EB40E103A015; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kumina.fenkle (46-65-9-144.zone16.bethere.co.uk [46.65.9.144]) (Authenticated sender: andy) by eric.hexten.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64C31103A011; Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Andy Armstrong In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:52:23 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20111109131023.02af29c0@esat.kuleuven.be> <87d3d1qc0v.fsf@renormalist.net> <1356002814.52270.YahooMailNeo@web140703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Salve J Nilsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: "tap@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [tap] testanything.org is down X-BeenThere: tap@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Test Anything Protocol WG discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:52:34 -0000 On 20 Dec 2012, at 16:15, Salve J Nilsen wrote: > Hi Bruno & all, >=20 > [Cc: Andy, since he's hosting the domain] >=20 > Bruno P. Kinoshita said: >> Hi all,=20 >>=20 >> For the last three weeks or so, testanything.org has been down. I = tried pinging the tap mailing list, but got no response. Tried to = contact Test::More maintainer to see if he knew someone with karma to = update the web site but got no response so far. >>=20 >> This is the last message I found in my inbox regarding TAP, so I = apologize beforehand for bothering you all :-) >>=20 >> Does anybody know where I can find one of the testanything.org = administrators, please?=20 >=20 > $ whois testanything.org | grep ^Admin | grep -v :$ >=20 > Admin ID:tulY0yUXw7Xkuxmn > Admin Name:Andy Armstrong > Admin Organization:Hexten > Admin Street1:Bridge End Barn > Admin City:Garrigill > Admin State/Province:Cumbria > Admin Postal Code:CA93DR > Admin Country:GB > Admin Phone:+44.01434381641 > Admin Email:andy@hexten.net >=20 > Apparently Andy's pretty busy these days. He also hasn't been on the = #perl-qa IRC channel on irc.perl.org either in a while (TAP is discussed = now and then in that channel). >=20 > Maybe Andy can tell us a little about what's going on? :) Yeah, sorry folks. My best hope right now is that I get a moment to look = at it over Xmas. As Salve says I'm busy in all sorts of non TAP related areas at the = moment. Sorry! --=20 Andy Armstrong, Hexten