From nobody Mon Apr 1 11:12:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4259F1204CF for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:12:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ND73lkpiQ4Ak for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x82e.google.com (mail-qt1-x82e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D01E12011C for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82e.google.com with SMTP id t28so12010289qte.6 for ; Mon, 01 Apr 2019 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IA8oj/pdjPwbvMQ2wrK9/PYpuI4A/8q+7ebK6a+0Kgw=; b=X5dvfcJ4O7IozZfpipQo13F1uJYGSrlayRpleWg1jirb5KUXgIwqWBPJmzQmBIHwsc 2juIwQd3qWN+CGNYL0aSykzHKPQzj0WiI5UpPr+0rKei4juCNIcQ4ygihAzQ5CXUZMEy nfyb+TEtN6ng3cu7UJFSWcD2hrKKcJbkSK8gKxtcD3zJITcrOaqUg2ihFm/rlxoqr5hc eFmXqzKaiGL06vHIlWIBEzsb9k9ySr41LJ9alMQjG51Uw55HcJSJLWW4EXyUhXnfl8EV MdZjnNHqgtVGe7h0FSGgOCRQTKjZJl6Bjq4oooEvJ31vBKvlE/E7VNbdLpy9I2trZoYs OBqw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IA8oj/pdjPwbvMQ2wrK9/PYpuI4A/8q+7ebK6a+0Kgw=; b=rFlKRCgq3I/M/6mcZetjsBCGVAFPjr5DmZ30a88f6qu8faP6R5xpbnpTOS8dEnpb41 HhxMHvk19ra7d2RVoJ8qoGtuoBvyS3UhWGT8kM9k6D9yc9Mi/We5i189UN/lE3TnC00m DPJbljoruHszp5SN3lihYlNlrhkyA1M+obL5YN+hXfhbvNW4oRlreWtYotbeqEOAEQXB xPjRSA0p1hsUYpZr4CaABgSN0A5ddR5tMnAH0zSgERPmIOfK2WPZtO+kbp54uo+FK6hb LuruOC2wdbW7CVFJ1D40YZq9uLZoRluQU0h1Ng3s6fCSjsP1YYT5gAP4CDrAzoZ+zd9R GbIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUS4lXhMTpHci/9Y1gV0pG9e4VdtFFaHOoAdIUaacolL6uFy/Xq +SCqtipQaT4cpBNzzTV0lPNj/sB7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyVj9nYqKPWqL24+QxMufhKcqshgh5E7jVwahyItPdYKsSCymjOLherFjS807SZu7IKikS8EQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:d04b:: with SMTP id d11mr53147272qvh.63.1554142352157; Mon, 01 Apr 2019 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.19.34.251] ([2001:4878:a000:3000:4424:d131:38a8:c1af]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u16sm8102580qtc.84.2019.04.01.11.12.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 01 Apr 2019 11:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "taps WG" Cc: "Zaheduzzaman Sarker" Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 14:12:30 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.4r5594) Message-ID: <185FE464-7C26-4DA1-89DA-BDAC8B1D30E0@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_BC622AB0-36B2-4BBE-833C-3A58B9B4C363_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Notes from TAPS meeting at IETF-104 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 18:12:36 -0000 --=_MailMate_BC622AB0-36B2-4BBE-833C-3A58B9B4C363_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Etherpad notes: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-104-taps If you were there, please review & correct as needed. If you weren’t there, look at what you missed! Thanks to Kyle Rose for taking notes. --aaron --=_MailMate_BC622AB0-36B2-4BBE-833C-3A58B9B4C363_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p dir=3D"auto">Etherpad notes: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/not= es-ietf-104-taps

If you were there, please review & correct as needed.=

If you weren=E2=80=99t there, look at what you missed!

Thanks to Kyle Rose for taking notes.

--aaron

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<= p dir=3D"auto">At the TAPS meeting in Prague we homed in on May 8, 2019, = 11am - 1pm EDT for a virtual (ie, WebEx) interim meeting. If you want to= attend and cannot, please speak up now. Note that preference will be gi= ven to availability of document contributors.

--aaron

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And to Jake, Eric, and Brian for helping out!
On Mon, A= pr 1, 2019 at 2:12 PM Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Etherpad notes: https://eth= erpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-104-taps

If you were there, please review & correct as needed.

If you weren=E2=80=99t there, look at what you missed!

Thanks to Kyle Rose for taking notes.

--aaron

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--000000000000d6be5805857cc29d-- From nobody Fri Apr 5 01:02:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613C3120004 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 01:02:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1fu7ldF_-g9q for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 01:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magpie.corvid.ch (magpie.corvid.ch [46.101.110.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC1FD120350 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 01:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=magpie.corvid.ch) by magpie.corvid.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hCJlb-0001rf-Vz for taps@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 08:00:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============5320307478553699607==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: TAPS WG status robot To: taps@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 08:00:03 +0000 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest) X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 08:02:19 -0000 --===============5320307478553699607== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Issues ------ * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+7/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 7 issues created: - msgref is never specified (by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/310 = - Clarification on queued receives (by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/309 = - Treatment of optional transport properties (by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/308 = - Differentiating between bad selection property configuration and connec= tion issues (by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/307 = - Failure of unsatisfiable configurations (by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/306 = - Protocol stacks that are not equivalent (by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/305 = - Clarify mapping of Connection to multiple flows (by tfpauly) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/304 = Pull requests ------------- * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+0/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 1 pull requests received 1 new comments: - #295 Add Connection Pool Object (1 by philsbln) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/295 [API] [Architecture]= [discuss] = Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts --===============5320307478553699607== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest)

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Message-ID: <155489822442.1250.16679801810558020672@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 05:10:24 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Transport Services (taps) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-05-08 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:10:24 -0000 The Transport Services (taps) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-05-08 from 11:00 to 13:00 America/New_York. 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Alternatively, specific issues can be raised via GIT (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security). This review period will conclude Monday, April 29. --aaron --=_MailMate_904F1F60-724E-4F1E-B254-BC7E216D0D9E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p dir=3D"auto">Dear TAPS working group,

It=E2=80=99s time to perform a last call review of =E2=80= =9CA Survey of Transport Security Protocols.=E2=80=9D Please send comment= s, including =E2=80=9Cready to publish=E2=80=9D, to taps@ietf.org. Alter= natively, specific issues can be raised via GIT (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security).

This review period will conclude Monday, April 29.

--aaron

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cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Aaron Falk" To: "taps WG" Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 15:43:35 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.4r5594) Message-ID: <53D4EABE-36A2-4828-A391-2BFA2A00FD9C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_FFC574EA-F12D-4189-9C05-87FBFC2B00E7_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] network security layer? X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:43:41 -0000 --=_MailMate_FFC574EA-F12D-4189-9C05-87FBFC2B00E7_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-06: > o Security Feature: a feature that a network security layer > provides > to applications. Examples include authentication, encryption, > key > generation, session resumption, and privacy. Features may be > Mandatory or Optional for an application’s implementation. > Security Features extend the set of Transport Features described > in [RFC8095] and provided by Transport Services implementations. Did we invent a new layer and somehow I missed it? Is it above or below the transport layer? --aaron --=_MailMate_FFC574EA-F12D-4189-9C05-87FBFC2B00E7_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p dir=3D"auto">From https://tools.ietf.org/h= tml/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-06:

o Security Feature: a feature t= hat a network security layer provides
to applications. Examples include authentication, encryption, key<= br> generation, session resumption, and privacy. Features may be
Mandatory or Optional for an application=E2=80=99s implementation.<= br> Security Features extend the set of Transport Features described in [RFC8095] and provided by Transport Services implementations.

Did we invent a new layer and somehow I miss= ed it? Is it above or below the transport layer?

--aaron

--=_MailMate_FFC574EA-F12D-4189-9C05-87FBFC2B00E7_=-- From nobody Thu Apr 18 00:28:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B47120117 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 00:28:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LoiMUSeCH0bw for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 00:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (swm.pp.se [212.247.200.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 895381200B8 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 00:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 57581AF; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:28:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1555572519; bh=bll2kngQ7KFQDp1zbFgarQPfU78yUcSqTofLB7LosQI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pjxyTXcrI+clrxPMTCHNsbhnb93VcDFHHcSC/8+USkO4/ApIwUcVqLARQlxgjTAB6 24fybV8sls5/jqTDEww2+ilrpb7Xei/G/Z2PXJPUVovjIuhWmgDtSPBI2ruvcYfOBE 35W3GHgZ24RQ7T5poNap6a27puNR1h9Xi7Op3klQ= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531709F; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:28:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:28:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "Scharf, Michael" cc: "taps@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D28CC16@rznt8114.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de> Message-ID: References: <6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D28CC16@rznt8114.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] Potential alternatives to YANG X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 07:28:43 -0000 On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, Scharf, Michael wrote: > As mentioned on the mic: There are quite a number of solutions to "rigorously" specify APIs. Some of these general-purpose techniques are IMHO also used for configuration/provisioning tasks in the networking industry, i.e., as alternative to YANG. > > In a former life, I had quite some discussions on the role of YANG as compared to, for instance: > > * swagger.io (https://swagger.io/) > > * gRPC, gNMI and protocol buffers (see e.g. draft-openconfig-rtgwg-gnmi-spec-01 in the IETF) I thought gRPC and gNMI was equivalent to netconf, not to YANG? > In both cases there is are tooling eco-system that are IMHO widely used > by app developers (and often preferred over YANG). The YANG tooling that > exists in industry, e.g., for code auto-generation, is quite specific to > network management, as far as I can tell. > > To me, whether to develop models in YANG or in other data modeling > languages depends a lot on the use case and the target software > developer community. Of course, in the RTG and OPS area YANG is the > default data modeling language. My experience is that people typically will take whatever there is lots of tooling for and it's "easy to use". Then as they use it more and more extensively, they discover all limitations and demand the tool is extended/enhanced. People will say "oh, JSON is so easy to work with" and after a while they discover that data models is good for defining/validating what goes on the wire, and now all of a sudden after a while you've invented all the "complication" of YANG. Personally it's not super important to me that NETCONF is used, but I do think using a good data modeling language is important, thus I think YANG modeling is important. 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([fe80::bd73:d6a9:24d7:95f1%10]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:12:00 +0200 From: "Scharf, Michael" To: Mikael Abrahamsson CC: "taps@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Taps] Potential alternatives to YANG Thread-Index: AdTmJJkFb6Zp0XvTRsiCqia1FVlvnQPgvreAAA2PH3A= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 12:12:00 +0000 Message-ID: <6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D2BF58C@rznt8114.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de> References: <6EC6417807D9754DA64F3087E2E2E03E2D28CC16@rznt8114.rznt.rzdir.fht-esslingen.de> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [134.108.57.209] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] Potential alternatives to YANG X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 12:12:09 -0000 > On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, Scharf, Michael wrote: >=20 > > As mentioned on the mic: There are quite a number of solutions to > "rigorously" specify APIs. Some of these general-purpose techniques are > IMHO also used for configuration/provisioning tasks in the networking > industry, i.e., as alternative to YANG. > > > > In a former life, I had quite some discussions on the role of YANG as > compared to, for instance: > > > > * swagger.io (https://swagger.io/) > > > > * gRPC, gNMI and protocol buffers (see e.g. draft-openconfig-rtgwg-gnmi= - > spec-01 in the IETF) >=20 > I thought gRPC and gNMI was equivalent to netconf, not to YANG? Yep, but I have mentioned protocol buffers, too. And I haven't mentioned ot= her solutions in that space, such as Apache Thrift. By no means my list was= meant to be comprehensive. BTW, I won't argue that other solutions indeed = solve exactly the same problem like NETCONF/YANG - in fact, they do not. =20 > > In both cases there is are tooling eco-system that are IMHO widely used > > by app developers (and often preferred over YANG). The YANG tooling > that > > exists in industry, e.g., for code auto-generation, is quite specific t= o > > network management, as far as I can tell. > > > > To me, whether to develop models in YANG or in other data modeling > > languages depends a lot on the use case and the target software > > developer community. Of course, in the RTG and OPS area YANG is the > > default data modeling language. >=20 > My experience is that people typically will take whatever there is lots o= f > tooling for and it's "easy to use". Then as they use it more and more > extensively, they discover all limitations and demand the tool is > extended/enhanced. People will say "oh, JSON is so easy to work with" and > after a while they discover that data models is good for > defining/validating what goes on the wire, and now all of a sudden after = a > while you've invented all the "complication" of YANG. >=20 > Personally it's not super important to me that NETCONF is used, but I do > think using a good data modeling language is important, thus I think YANG > modeling is important. If one is not using NETCONF, YANG may not be the only data modeling languag= e one could use. Having said this, YANG is clearly an *excellent* data mode= ling language, and probably the only relevant one in some areas of industry= (e.g. on routers). Personally, I am perfectly fine with using YANG. Michael =20 > The same way a huge amount of work has gone into XML, a huge amount of > work has gone into YANG, to make sure it's well defined and works from > lots of aspects. >=20 > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Thu Apr 18 14:44:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419851203CD for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.363, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ui1zSHqPJBsp for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E84712037E for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050093.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050093.ppops.net-00190b01. 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nobody Mon Apr 22 02:58:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE80812003F for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wDPpomPe6On for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.erg.abdn.ac.uk (pegasus.erg.abdn.ac.uk [IPv6:2001:630:42:150::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161EC12001B for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 02:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gs-MacBook-Pro.local (fgrpf.plus.com [212.159.18.54]) by pegasus.erg.abdn.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39E4D1B0023F; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:58:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <5CBD9040.8000009@erg.abdn.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:58:24 +0100 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk Organization: University of Aberdeen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Falk CC: taps WG , Zaheduzzaman Sarker , "Rose, Kyle" , Tommy Pauly , Theresa Enghardt , Colin Perkins References: <82AE6091-A19F-4478-9C96-47A2E05908FD@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] WGLC for draft-ietf-taps-transport-security (ending 4/29) X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 09:58:39 -0000 Review of draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-06. I have read the above document as a transport person, and contributor to the group and think this document contains the material that was discussed by the working group and is very near a version that is ready to publish. I have a number of comments below. Scoping and potential use to endorse non-ietf protocols: As a technical question to the Chairs/AD - does the document need to carry some caveat about non-IETF protocols being standardised outside the RFC-series and not making a statement on recommending or otherwise endorsing their use? Abstract I think the abstract should define “TAPS”. probably this should also be defined when first used also in the body of the text. Similarly protocol names such as: Transport Layer Security (TLS), TCP-AO, ALTs, BGP, AH, IKE,etc should be defined when first used, and abbreviations such as MAC (PRF), EAP, ALPN, Server Name Indication (SNI), DoS, PKI. Abbreviations “starting with TLS 1.3” - should there be a reference here? “NAT rebindings” - should there be a reference to one of the BEHAVE RFCs here?
 I think I-D.ietf-tls-tls13 has been published as RFC 8446 X.509 certificates are mentioned in 4.10.1, and could benefit from a reference. authenticates the payload using HMAC is mentioned in 4.10.1, and could benefit from a reference. In section 4.2: “DTLS is modified from TLS to operate with the possibility of packet loss, reordering, and duplication that may occur when operating over UDP. “ - I think this can be used over datagram protocols, and it would be worth saying that and adding ane maple of: Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) over the Datagram Congestion Control Protocol (DCCP) RFC 5238 Typo in reference format?: “{{I-D.ietf-tls-dtls13}” In Section 4.2.2: - Could you provide a cross-reference to the section in “ See also the features from TLS.” Comments on the text: I support Aaron’s comment on the term “network security layer” - do we need to use the term layer here, since this is expected to be placed below the transport API? In Section 4.2.3. (on Protocol Dependencies) o DTLS relies on UDP. - or any datagram service? (see above note on DTLS over DCCP as an example.), in 4.93 the text says “An unreliable transport protocol such as UDP.” - which could be more appropriate? “Path MTU discovery.” - Could we write this as “discovery of the Path MTU” to explicitly not say use the name of a protocol here?
 In Section 4.3.1: “The QUIC transport layer support multiple streams” - insert “s” after “support”. “Once TLS completes, QUIC uses the resultant traffic secrets to for the QUIC connection to protect the rest of the streams.” Replace “to for” by “for”? “Owing to middlebox ossification issues, tcpcrypt only protects the payload portion of a TCP packet. It does not encrypt any header information, such as the TCP sequence number.” - I am not sure I agree with the implication here! - Would it be OK to state this more neutrally as: “Because of the possible presence of firewalls and other middleboxes on the path, tcpcrypt only protects the payload portion of a TCP packet. It does not encrypt any header information, such as the TCP sequence number.” Security Considerations: Section 8 uses a RFC2119 keyword: “ Applications using Security Interfaces SHOULD take such limitations into consideration when using a particular protocol implementation.” - I suggest replacing this by “ought to”? Acknowledgments NiT: “Theresa Enghardt” is an editor and an acknowledged contributor, suggest you remove the name from the ACK section. References The references have not been divided into normative and informative references. I am unsure/uneasy at this time if this list of references all need to be normative. - In particular, some non-IETF documents are cited as normative references. This strikes me as difficult to justify and something that needs careful consideration. - I am concerned there are normative references to quite a number of Internet drafts. Are these necessary - if these need to be normative then the WG needs to consider if this may block publication of the document for some time to come! - I note that in RFC 8095 we chose to make all protocol references informational. Security This review was from a viewpoint of providing transport oversight. I did not review the summary table contents nor the assertions on which mechanisms were present in which protocols, where security expertise is needed. 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As this document is intended for Informational status and not, say, BCP or standards track, I think there is no implicit endorsement. I felt the text was clear that it is a descriptive analysis of various protocols. So, my view is that nothing else is needed. Nevertheless, I’m open to hearing other opinions. --aaron --=_MailMate_5BDEEA4C-B00F-487C-8DC6-978C869EF3F7_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p dir=3D"auto">Hi Gorry,

On 22 Apr 2019, at 5:58, Gorry Fairhurst wrote:

Scoping and potential use to endors= e non-ietf protocols:

As a technical question to the Chairs/AD - does the document need to carr= y some caveat about non-IETF protocols being standardised outside the RFC= -series and not making a statement on recommending or otherwise endorsing= their use?

As this document is intended for Information= al status and not, say, BCP or standards track, I think there is no impli= cit endorsement. I felt the text was clear that it is a descriptive anal= ysis of various protocols. So, my view is that nothing else is needed. = Nevertheless, I=E2=80=99m open to hearing other opinions.

--aaron

--=_MailMate_5BDEEA4C-B00F-487C-8DC6-978C869EF3F7_=-- From nobody Tue Apr 23 07:12:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietf.org Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DD312042C; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: aaron.falk@gmail.com, magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com, taps-chairs@ietf.org, taps@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155602874855.32465.11429207481269443020.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:12:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] taps - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 105 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:12:29 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Aaron Falk, a Chair of the taps working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Transport Services Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Aaron Falk Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: httpbis ipsecme rtcweb avtcore capport tls panrg quic tsvarea rmcat ippm tsvwg iccrg tcpm dispatch maprg cfrg intarea Second Priority: tcpinc mptcp saag mmusic tram irtfopen People who must be present: Colin Perkins Aaron Falk Michael Welzl Magnus Westerlund Gorry Fairhurst Brian Trammell Zaheduzzaman Sarker Mirja Kuehlewind Anna Brunstrom Tommy Pauly Kyle Rose Christopher A. Wood Philipp S. 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Please send comments and opinions on whether the doc is ready to publish to this list. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-06 --aaron On 10 Apr 2019, at 10:12, Aaron Falk wrote: > Dear TAPS working group, > > It’s time to perform a last call review of “A Survey of Transport > Security Protocols.” Please send comments, including “ready to > publish”, to taps@ietf.org. Alternatively, specific issues can be > raised via GIT > (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security). > > This review period will conclude Monday, April 29. > > --aaron --=_MailMate_0B8FB8C4-79CD-4428-BE5E-A6A34635719E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<= p dir=3D"auto">Reminder that the working group last call for this draft e= nds next Monday. Please send comments and opinions on whether the doc is = ready to publish to this list.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-06

--aaron

On 10 Apr 2019, at 10:12, Aaron Falk wrote:

<= p dir=3D"auto">Dear TAPS working group,

It=E2=80=99s time to perform a last call review of =E2=80= =9CA Survey of Transport Security Protocols.=E2=80=9D Please send comment= s, including =E2=80=9Cready to publish=E2=80=9D, to taps@ietf.org. Alter= natively, specific issues can be raised via GIT (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security).

This review period will conclude Monday, April 29.

--aaron

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I've just done an editorial pass on the document now that we believe it = is technically complete. Some of the nits addressed: - Remove redundancy between intro and abstract - Update language on Security Features to have a consistent tense/voice = between definitions of features - Refer to QUIC as a name, not an acronym - Update all TLS 1.3 references to the RFC number - Don't have any empty section headers - Remove incorrect normative "SHOULD" from information doc Commits can be found here: = https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security/commits/= master In my opinion, once we've incorporated the PR from Aaron, we should be = good. If anyone has other nits or comments, though, please file an issue = or PR! Thanks, Tommy > On Apr 25, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Reminder that the working group last call for this draft ends next = Monday. Please send comments and opinions on whether the doc is ready to = publish to this list. >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-06 = > --aaron >=20 > On 10 Apr 2019, at 10:12, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Dear TAPS working group, >=20 > It=E2=80=99s time to perform a last call review of =E2=80=9CA Survey = of Transport Security Protocols.=E2=80=9D Please send comments, = including =E2=80=9Cready to publish=E2=80=9D, to taps@ietf.org. = Alternatively, specific issues can be raised via GIT = (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security = ). >=20 > This review period will conclude Monday, April 29. >=20 > --aaron >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps --Boundary_(ID_sWYWUGNu0wPpiLkNFeqzvw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Aaron!

I've just done an editorial pass on the document now that we = believe it is technically complete.

Some of the nits addressed:

- Remove redundancy = between intro and abstract
- Update language on = Security Features to have a consistent tense/voice between definitions = of features
- Refer to QUIC as a name, not an = acronym
- Update all TLS 1.3 references to the RFC = number
- Don't have any empty section = headers
- Remove incorrect normative "SHOULD" from = information doc

Commits can be found here:
https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-securi= ty/commits/master

In my opinion, once we've incorporated the PR from Aaron, we = should be good. If anyone has other nits or comments, though, please = file an issue or PR!

Thanks,
Tommy

On Apr 25, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Reminder that the working group last call for this draft ends = next Monday. Please send comments and opinions on whether the doc is = ready to publish to this list.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-= 06

--aaron

On 10 Apr 2019, at 10:12, Aaron Falk wrote:

Dear = TAPS working group,

It=E2=80=99s time to = perform a last call review of =E2=80=9CA Survey of Transport Security = Protocols.=E2=80=9D Please send comments, including =E2=80=9Cready to = publish=E2=80=9D, to taps@ietf.org. Alternatively, specific issues can be = raised via GIT (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-securi= ty).

This review period will conclude = Monday, April 29.

--aaron

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= --Boundary_(ID_sWYWUGNu0wPpiLkNFeqzvw)-- From nobody Mon Apr 29 03:58:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCF612008F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 03:58:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GG27sHRpPaRD for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 03:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from einhorn-mail.in-berlin.de (einhorn-mail.in-berlin.de [217.197.80.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 367A1120187 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 03:58:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-From: philipp@tiesel.net Received: from x-berg.in-berlin.de (x-change.in-berlin.de [217.197.86.40]) by einhorn.in-berlin.de with ESMTPS id x3TAwQDe025184 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:58:26 +0200 Received: from philipp-laptop.ods.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.141.20]) by x-berg.in-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hL3xh-0008Ls-8i; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:56:41 +0200 From: "Philipp S. Tiesel" Message-Id: <7F520E3F-AF4B-4AB7-B26F-A5EC6370522A@tiesel.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9AA3C9D2-86B3-4532-998E-2FE3F479F79D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:58:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <880540AE-A5B3-4B90-90EC-E2E159E74D88@gmail.com> Cc: taps WG , Zaheduzzaman Sarker , "Rose, Kyle" , Tommy Pauly , Theresa Enghardt , Colin Perkins To: Aaron Falk References: <82AE6091-A19F-4478-9C96-47A2E05908FD@gmail.com> <880540AE-A5B3-4B90-90EC-E2E159E74D88@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] WGLC for draft-ietf-taps-transport-security (ending 4/29) X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:58:52 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9AA3C9D2-86B3-4532-998E-2FE3F479F79D Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4B04BA6F-8442-45DE-8629-CB416A7CFD4A" --Apple-Mail=_4B04BA6F-8442-45DE-8629-CB416A7CFD4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, just did one pass over the latest GitHub version and it looks ready to = me. I only found three small nits I opened Issues on GitHub for. AVE! Philipp S. Tiesel On 25. Apr 2019, at 18:57, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Reminder that the working group last call for this draft ends next = Monday. Please send comments and opinions on whether the doc is ready to = publish to this list. >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-06 = > --aaron >=20 > On 10 Apr 2019, at 10:12, Aaron Falk wrote: >=20 > Dear TAPS working group, >=20 > It=E2=80=99s time to perform a last call review of =E2=80=9CA Survey = of Transport Security Protocols.=E2=80=9D Please send comments, = including =E2=80=9Cready to publish=E2=80=9D, to taps@ietf.org. = Alternatively, specific issues can be raised via GIT = (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security = ). >=20 > This review period will conclude Monday, April 29. >=20 > --aaron >=20 -- Philipp S. Tiesel https://philipp.tiesel.net/ --Apple-Mail=_4B04BA6F-8442-45DE-8629-CB416A7CFD4A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

just = did one pass over the latest GitHub version and it looks ready to = me.
I only found three small nits I opened Issues = on GitHub for.

AVE!
   Philipp S. Tiesel

On 25. Apr 2019, at = 18:57, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:

Reminder that the working group last call for this draft ends = next Monday. Please send comments and opinions on whether the doc is = ready to publish to this list.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-= 06

--aaron

On 10 Apr 2019, at 10:12, Aaron Falk wrote:

Dear = TAPS working group,

It=E2=80=99s time to = perform a last call review of =E2=80=9CA Survey of Transport Security = Protocols.=E2=80=9D Please send comments, including =E2=80=9Cready to = publish=E2=80=9D, to taps@ietf.org. Alternatively, specific issues can be = raised via GIT (https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/draft-ietf-taps-transport-securi= ty).

This review period will conclude = Monday, April 29.

--aaron

-- 
Philipp S. = Tiesel 
https://philipp.tiesel.net/

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