From nobody Sun Dec 1 06:25:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1002312008C for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 06:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=krose.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fMZSFSCTTbJY for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 06:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com (mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70007120089 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 06:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw1-xc2c.google.com with SMTP id w11so6340400ywj.9 for ; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:25:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=krose.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=twjefsJlg4npD3uk93vGY8CMb3S96HIeVb4JZxdO+V0=; b=hCKciDC6qG8Z6527hQ911WzKcxcQDJRa8+rFN4O8/4eKgjgop15aPilOBKz0P1bjJY 8pIfFmRxqKjUgSnVq8UtqGAm8yUH8Zsul+v3mpBJfJLwt5zmLRLvtfqq0U3gmuGgDEsN Kq6T5/BRh0sguNREgN07kwDLunevpP94kDay0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=twjefsJlg4npD3uk93vGY8CMb3S96HIeVb4JZxdO+V0=; b=Hgvc5LtXovWpK0fvKVrtWaJ2WeIH3UV9DSvBoWAlPqPm1+0IKFivxXAZCu3CkjRhkL SblBe7m9g62NtU0oL77mEq1lgtVZvjoOClumC6TD2Ro2Oqjw0YcOTHMvnzEmKbNyBXsJ zRmAOQSi1TeZyiK8hUPYmZfZ/GU1+P9UjKFeOIRhy83Cws/dRPBVP/leyMQTw1zAIC9H crc/lkSj/Jq2Z0Q9tiZwbUa1c+DF9luAMyg76QgD6IW2pVX5q8n0ahTdHQ46v9AjH7ti BdWtiDOpFvaFD9qU1N757P497yqxg2PwFAcdy/YfX8n9CytZ1nBKlC1Dhy0dENh9MOhK 8QlA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUbVpY+y+fgYwiT07ZmbT3prKNNWZp95LmEszA6KSjN6CJa7Q8G c5XMej37yDcmCEzWl0zb3BGnaPOTWmlPZhyOJ6sv19JcPqY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw2o6Ix8TebZU4FIft+zjQQF34KRGIWve3Dt005sMK9yGAuQsr1MImb36GCEY+XBO9wYyp0mFkA7VZvhmjMcCE= X-Received: by 2002:a81:5209:: with SMTP id g9mr2649421ywb.156.1575210316056; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:25:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Kyle Rose Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:25:05 +0800 Message-ID: To: Eric Rescorla Cc: taps WG , draft-ietf-taps-transport-security.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000055dea20598a53b3a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] Review of draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-10 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 14:25:20 -0000 --00000000000055dea20598a53b3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:42 AM Eric Rescorla wrote: > Document: draft-ietf-taps-transport-security-10.txt > > This document is much improved. I appreciate you removing all the fine > detail of each transport protocol. > Noted. Just to be clear, the modifications to the most recent version of the draft were made primarily to eliminate the impression that we were trying to "race" security protocols under the assumption that they are somehow equivalent or even abstractable, which we know isn't the case. The main goal of incorporating security into TAPS is primarily to provide a modern, consistent, portable interface to the extent possible, not to provide a developer with the illusion of security simply by flipping a switch. > Part of this can be fixed by just > saying something like this and including DTLS in a few other places > in the doc, but in general, the world is just complicated and so > taxonomies are difficult. > Agreed (a good example being the OSI layer abstraction, which we run into here and which fails miserably in many common cases), but---under the assumption that the problem TAPS is trying to solve is a useful one---a simplified taxonomy motivating an interface that can accommodate the vast majority of use cases for our target community is a prerequisite. > S 3.3.5. > CurveCP [CurveCP] is a UDP-based transport security protocol from > Daniel J. Bernstein. Unlike other security protocols, it is based > entirely upon highly efficient public key algorithms. This removes > many pitfalls associated with nonce reuse and key synchronization. > > This text is going to be confusing to people. Not to say that CurveCP > is bad, and the primitives it uses *are* fast, but they're not any > faster than those used by TLS, QUIC, or tcpcrypt. I think the > consensus here is that it's not currently practical to have a general > purpose transport protocol that doesn't do key establishment and then > use symmetric keys. (This is the same reason why we weren't able > to use public key encryption for QUIC CID encryption). > Good point. We could discuss the tradeoff between performance and security that DJB was trying to achieve, but that is probably out-of-scope for this document, so we should stick to a value-free description (e.g., "based entirely on public key algorithms") and let it go with that. > o tcpcrypt > > This doesn't seem quite right, as tcpcrypt is run prior to the TCP > reassembly algorithms. > If I'm reading you correctly, this is not right. For compatibility with middleboxes, tcpcrypt runs within the TCP bytestream, just like TLS, and requires reassembly before the tcpcrypt TLV record layer can be parsed. > 5.1. Pre-Connection Interfaces > > Configuration interfaces are used to configure the security protocols > before a handshake begins or the keys are negotiated. > > This presentation seems pretty hard to follow, in that it's a lot of > work to figure out which in the long list of protocols doesn't have > this property. Maybe a summary table would help? > > Also, I'm not sure you want to omit tcpcrypt here, in that it does > have a way to do external authentication by exporting a session ID. > ... > tcpcrypt (and I believe ZRTP) both have session caches. > Good call(s). Kyle --00000000000055dea20598a53b3a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:42 AM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
Document: draft-ietf-taps-transpo= rt-security-10.txt

This document is much improved. I appreciate you = removing all the fine
detail of each transport protocol.

Noted. Just to be clear, the modifications to th= e most recent version of the draft were made primarily to eliminate the imp= ression that we were trying to "race" security protocols under th= e assumption that they are somehow equivalent or even abstractable, which w= e know isn't the case. The main goal of incorporating security into TAP= S is primarily to provide a modern, consistent, portable interface to the e= xtent possible, not to provide a developer with the illusion of security si= mply by flipping a switch.
=C2=A0
Part of this can be fixed= by just
saying something like this and including DTLS in a few other pl= aces
in the doc, but in general, the world is just complicated and sotaxonomies are difficult.

Agreed= (a good example being the OSI layer abstraction, which we run into here an= d which fails miserably in many common cases), but---under the assumption t= hat the problem TAPS is trying to solve is a useful one---a simplified taxo= nomy motivating an interface that can accommodate the vast majority of use = cases for our target community is a prerequisite.
=C2=A0
S 3.3.5= .
=C2=A0 =C2=A0CurveCP [CurveCP] is a UDP-based transport security proto= col from
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Daniel J.=C2=A0 Bernstein.=C2=A0 Unlike other secu= rity protocols, it is based
=C2=A0 =C2=A0entirely upon highly efficient = public key algorithms.=C2=A0 This removes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0many pitfalls ass= ociated with nonce reuse and key synchronization.

This text is going= to be confusing to people.=C2=A0 Not to say that CurveCP
is bad, and th= e primitives it uses *are* fast, but they're not any
faster than tho= se used by TLS, QUIC, or tcpcrypt. I think the
consensus here is that it= 's not currently practical to have a general
purpose transport proto= col that doesn't do key establishment and then
use symmetric keys. (= This is the same reason why we weren't able
to use public key encryp= tion for QUIC CID encryption).

Go= od point. We could discuss the tradeoff between performance and security th= at DJB was trying to achieve, but that is probably out-of-scope for this do= cument, so we should stick to a value-free description (e.g., "based e= ntirely on public key algorithms") and let it go with that.
<= div>=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 o =C2=A0tcpcrypt

This doesn't seem quite r= ight, as tcpcrypt is run prior to the TCP
reassembly algorithms.

If I'm reading you correctly, this i= s not right. For compatibility with middleboxes, tcpcrypt runs within the T= CP bytestream, just like TLS, and requires reassembly before the tcpcrypt T= LV record layer can be parsed.
=C2=A0
5.1.=C2=A0 Pre-Connection= Interfaces

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Configuration interfaces are used to config= ure the security protocols
=C2=A0 =C2=A0before a handshake begins or the= keys are negotiated.

This presentation seems pretty hard to follow,= in that it's a lot of
work to figure out which in the long list of = protocols doesn't have
this property. Maybe a summary table would he= lp?

Also, I'm not sure you want to omit tcpcrypt here, in that i= t does
have a way to do external authentication by exporting a session I= D.
...
tcpcrypt (and I believe ZRTP) both have = session caches.

Good call(s)= .

Kyle

--00000000000055dea20598a53b3a-- From nobody Fri Dec 6 00:02:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB7B12000F for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:02:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, PDS_BTC_ID=0.499, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1nH6cxfpin8 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from magpie.corvid.ch (magpie.corvid.ch [46.101.110.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A0D6120220 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=magpie.corvid.ch) by magpie.corvid.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1id8Wy-0007ir-2u for taps@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2019 08:00:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============8598115563445469564==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: TAPS WG status robot To: taps@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 08:00:04 +0000 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest) X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 08:02:17 -0000 --===============8598115563445469564== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Issues ------ * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+1/-4/=F0=9F=92=AC2) 1 issues created: - A surprisingly few number of NiTS in Arch (by gorryfair) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/392 [Architecture] = 2 issues received 2 new comments: - #305 Protocol stacks that are not equivalent (1 by tfpauly) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/305 [Architecture] = - #364 Update wording where interface to security protocol implies racing= /abstraction (1 by tfpauly) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/364 [Architecture] = 4 issues closed: - Update wording where interface to security protocol implies racing/abst= raction https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/364 [Architecture] = - Protocol stacks that are not equivalent https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/= api-drafts/issues/305 [Architecture] = - Clarify that more flexible resolution is an architectural feature https= ://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/385 [Architecture] = - "Access to Specialized Features" example: Security protocols https://gi= thub.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/363 [Architecture] = Pull requests ------------- * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+4/-4/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 4 pull requests submitted: - minset appendix update: section references (by mwelzl) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/391 = - Mw arch read through (by mwelzl) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/390 = - Define equivalence, addresses #305 and #364 (by theri) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/389 = - Change example of Specialized Feature to multipath, fixes #363 (by ther= i) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/388 = 1 pull requests received 1 new comments: - #389 Define equivalence, addresses #305 and #364 (1 by tfpauly) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/389 = 4 pull requests merged: - Mw arch read through https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/390 = - Define equivalence, addresses #305 and #364 https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/389 = - Fix #385: Resolution is key to path and stack agility. Say so. https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/387 = - Change example of Specialized Feature to multipath, fixes #363 https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/388 = Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts --===============8598115563445469564== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest)

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preference=encrypt Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Taps for Nim X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 10:29:43 -0000 Hello, I just want to drop the note that there is a trivial implemenation of Taps for the Nim programming language. The Nim network API is currently pretty thin C wrappers over sockets, so as Taps matures I think it will be an attractive API to Nim community. https://git.sr.ht/~ehmry/nim_taps https://nim-lang.org/ Cheers, Emery From nobody Fri Dec 6 03:16:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E8F120274 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 03:16:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=tenghardt.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wu8AzTBNma0f for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 03:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hemio.de (mail.hemio.de [136.243.12.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 302A91200F5 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 03:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from user.client.invalid (localhost [136.243.12.180]) by mail.hemio.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9029C3; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:16:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tenghardt.net; s=20170414; t=1575631004; bh=R1pduXZF291YB+3nHeGfwn+RTKziGVUGT+ypBjy1Z6A=; h=Subject:To:References:Cc:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Pq+lqxcoFQhfymUKVlRxthwLVLC4BOMnlHrz1+2qNMOKH3J4LKRZJ62xH4yXQ9IZr iwfhG4JGFE9/e4meTaI7z3BDY1j+TnsrdTa5/y44oCWH9jNCZrOGj3rgHPGk17KXot NYBqIx/csLnIG5WtI04KgKSKD3eondxAKANBSA3+pV9A4ZMqd6ZcDmmGyS8V/6wWeP IBRJmabQ+rRGaOow2Pyu+IOFC80wm7y9YYs3InTd21+fmxcNH70zOL/k7ot/KoqLCN iZCKbsE9L0MuaWvtggH9I8bDUgb0YYjhHZo2z1Nd9ECx/ju/BaTT2JX0RQCHk5YkWs Ao8kdo3dxO7ZA== To: Emery Hemingway References: <1091dc2a-76ff-4a4b-b734-0906e9a76209@posteo.net> Cc: taps@ietf.org From: Theresa Enghardt Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:16:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1091dc2a-76ff-4a4b-b734-0906e9a76209@posteo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Taps] Taps for Nim X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 11:16:49 -0000 Dear Emery, Thank you for implementing TAPS and for dropping a note to the list. Always excited to see more implementations! If you have any comments on the drafts, e.g., if anything seems unclear in the Implementation draft, please feel free to open an issue on our Github https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues or to send your questions and comments to the list. Thanks! Best, Theresa On 06.12.19 11:29, Emery Hemingway wrote: > Hello, > > I just want to drop the note that there is a trivial implemenation of > Taps for the Nim programming language. The Nim network API is currently > pretty thin C wrappers over sockets, so as Taps matures I think it will > be an attractive API to Nim community. > > https://git.sr.ht/~ehmry/nim_taps > https://nim-lang.org/ > > Cheers, > Emery > > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps From nobody Wed Dec 11 07:54:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietf.org Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0490120B9C; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:53:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: taps@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.113.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157607963488.11442.281578034811231601@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:53:55 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Transport Services (taps) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-12-20 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:53:56 -0000 The Transport Services (taps) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2019-12-20 from 17:00 to 19:00 Europe/Stockholm. Agenda: -arch WGLC discussion -interface WGLC prep Information about remote participation: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=me3e06bd6c532cfc206d804c7fa3f27a7 From nobody Fri Dec 13 00:02:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600461200F7 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:02:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z7PMrGiKijEq for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from magpie.corvid.ch (magpie.corvid.ch [46.101.110.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8DC81200C5 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=magpie.corvid.ch) by magpie.corvid.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iffrn-0003BV-LZ for taps@ietf.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:00:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============8531536946516396301==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: TAPS WG status robot To: taps@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:00:03 +0000 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest) X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:02:16 -0000 --===============8531536946516396301== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Issues ------ * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+0/-0/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 1 issues received 1 new comments: - #392 A surprisingly few number of NiTS in Arch (1 by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/392 [Architecture] = Pull requests ------------- * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+1/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 1 pull requests submitted: - Few very minor architecture nits (by MaxF12) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/393 = 1 pull requests merged: - Few very minor architecture nits https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/393 = Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts --===============8531536946516396301== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest)

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<= p dir=3D"auto">We=E2=80=99re having a call on Friday (11am US ET). The g= oals of the call are to resolve any open issues that would prevent -arch = from going to last call. We can also use the time to resolve any open is= sues on -security.

Can the authors for -arch and -security outline topics to= discuss?

Then we can see if there will be time to talk about open = issues on -interface and -impl.

--aaron

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The goals of the call a= re to resolve any open issues that would prevent -arch from going to last ca= ll. We can also use the time to resolve any open issues on -security. >=20 > Can the authors for -arch and -security outline topics to discuss? >=20 The remaining architecture issue covers nits, but there=E2=80=99s a discussi= on on there about the composability of framers with different stacks. We sho= uld be able to close out that discussion, and move to WGLC.=20 For security, we=E2=80=99ve taken one good PR revision since the meeting. We= should discuss together what we think is remaining to address ekr=E2=80=99s= comments.=20 > Then we can see if there will be time to talk about open issues on -interf= ace and -impl. >=20 We should have time to get to these I hope=20 Best, Tommy=20 > --aaron >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Taps mailing list > Taps@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/taps --Apple-Mail-646BFC95-1525-4CB7-A557-65CB5E187A45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 17, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> w= rote:

=EF= =BB=BF

We=E2=80=99re having a call on Friday (11am US ET). The goals o= f the call are to resolve any open issues that would prevent -arch from goin= g to last call. We can also use the time to resolve any open issues on -sec= urity.

Can the authors for -arch and -security outline topics to di= scuss?


The remaining archit= ecture issue covers nits, but there=E2=80=99s a discussion on there about th= e composability of framers with different stacks. We should be able to close= out that discussion, and move to WGLC. 

For securit= y, we=E2=80=99ve taken one good PR revision since the meeting. We should dis= cuss together what we think is remaining to address ekr=E2=80=99s comments.&= nbsp;

Then we can see if there will be time to talk about open iss= ues on -interface and -impl.


We should have time to get to these I hope 

= Best,
Tommy 

--aaron

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surprisingly few number of NiTS in Arch (6 by philsbln, gorryfai= r) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/392 [Architecture] = 1 issues closed: - Transport Properties are not Connection Objects https://github.com/ietf= -tapswg/api-drafts/issues/373 [Architecture] [ready for text] = Pull requests ------------- * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+1/-1/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 1 pull requests submitted: - Address Arch NiTS (by philsbln) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/394 = 1 pull requests merged: - Move Transport Properties text and close #373 https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/381 = Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts --===============7627429976287054869== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest)

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My notes from today=E2=80=99s call. Corrections welcome.=

  • -security
    • Major issues addressed but not all comments
    • Theresa will turn unresolved comments into issues
    • Kyle will address tcpcrypt comments
    • Tommy will address others and will re-assign as needed
    • Goal to update draft in first half of January
  • -arch
    • Colin performed close read; group discussed and edited a revision on = call; Colin to prepare a PR for revision
    • two open issues need closing, target by 12/23
    • WGLC to run Jan 6 - 17
  • -interface
    • currently two open issues
    • Mirja, Kyle, Max will give close read before interim call on Jan 24
    • hope to go to WGLC around 1/27
  • -impl
    • not much to say now
    • would like to get folks thinking about their assigned issues to see i= f more discussion is needed
--=_MailMate_859419F0-011C-4E83-A423-7DE08ECF6A49_=-- From nobody Mon Dec 23 08:37:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietf.org Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB84120025; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:37:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: taps@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.115.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: taps@ietf.org Message-ID: <157711904016.21365.14394581092056733894@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:37:20 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] I-D Action: draft-ietf-taps-arch-06.txt X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:37:20 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Transport Services WG of the IETF. Title : An Architecture for Transport Services Authors : Tommy Pauly Brian Trammell Anna Brunstrom Godred Fairhurst Colin Perkins Philipp S. Tiesel Chris Wood Filename : draft-ietf-taps-arch-06.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2019-12-23 Abstract: This document describes an architecture for exposing transport protocol features to applications for network communication, the Transport Services architecture. The Transport Services Application Programming Interface (API) is based on an asynchronous, event-driven interaction pattern. It uses messages for representing data transfer to applications, and it assumes an implementation that can use multiple IP addresses, multiple protocols, and multiple paths, and provide multiple application streams. This document further defines common terminology and concepts to be used in definitions of Transport Services APIs and implementations. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-taps-arch/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-taps-arch-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-taps-arch-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-taps-arch-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Dec 27 00:02:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB98C120025 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 00:02:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JoFwBHUSyiB2 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 00:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from magpie.corvid.ch (magpie.corvid.ch [46.101.110.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1788120024 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 00:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=magpie.corvid.ch) by magpie.corvid.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ikkXT-0008SL-Qk for taps@ietf.org; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:00:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="===============4056618002075353998==" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: TAPS WG status robot To: taps@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:00:03 +0000 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest) X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:02:19 -0000 --===============4056618002075353998== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Issues ------ * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+3/-3/=F0=9F=92=AC1) 3 issues created: - Per-protocol behavior needs to be normative (by JonathanLennox) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/398 = - Explain that Close isn't Half-Close (by tfpauly) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/397 [Architecture] = - Update Rendezvous text in Arch (by tfpauly) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/396 [Architecture] = 1 issues received 1 new comments: - #367 Implementation - PMTU text is broken (1 by gorryfair) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/367 [Implementation] [= ready for text] = 3 issues closed: - Update Rendezvous text in Arch https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-draft= s/issues/396 [Architecture] = - Comments on -arch https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/issues/395 = [Architecture] = - A surprisingly few number of NiTS in Arch https://github.com/ietf-tapsw= g/api-drafts/issues/392 [Architecture] = Pull requests ------------- * ietf-tapswg/api-drafts (+3/-5/=F0=9F=92=AC0) 3 pull requests submitted: - Update description of rendezvous (by csperkins) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/401 = - Explain half-close vs close() (by tfpauly) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/400 = - Colin's points and interim edits, fix #395 (by britram) https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/399 = 5 pull requests merged: - Update description of rendezvous https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/401 = - Explain half-close vs close() https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/400 = - Colin's points and interim edits, fix #395 https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/399 = - Address Arch NiTS https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/394 = - minset appendix update: section references https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts/pull/391 = Repositories tracked by this digest: ----------------------------------- * https://github.com/ietf-tapswg/api-drafts --===============4056618002075353998== Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Weekly github digest (TAPS GitHub Activity Digest)

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--===============4056618002075353998==-- From nobody Tue Dec 31 11:29:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: taps@ietf.org Delivered-To: taps@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7931F120013; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:29:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: aaron.falk@gmail.com, magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com, taps-chairs@ietf.org, taps@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.115.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157782056945.23281.16271116147585745253.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 11:29:29 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Taps] taps - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 107 X-BeenThere: taps@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "IETF Transport Services \(TAPS\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:29:30 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Aaron Falk, a Chair of the taps working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Transport Services Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Aaron Falk Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: maprg panrg httpbis Technology Overlap: quic tls tsvarea tsvwg tcpm iccrg coinrg Key Participant Conflict: irtfopen rmcat avtcore mops mboned secdispatch ippm People who must be present: Colin Perkins Aaron Falk Michael Welzl Magnus Westerlund Gorry Fairhurst Brian Trammell Zaheduzzaman Sarker Mirja Kuehlewind Anna Brunstrom Tommy Pauly Kyle Rose Christopher A. Wood Jake Holland Philipp S. Tiesel Theresa Enghardt Resources Requested: Special Requests: The IRTF Chair is a contributor to TAPS so please avoid IRTF RGs if possible. ---------------------------------------------------------