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All,

As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this
document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is
useful and important, even from authors.

Thanks,
Lou (and Pavan)

On 5/19/2015 5:20 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:
> All,
>
> This starts a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.
>
> This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June 2nd. Please send
> your comments to the TEAS mailing list.
>
> Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR declarations
> from authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in
> the history of the document:
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-flexi-grid-fwk/history/>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/history/
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> Pavan and Lou.
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Fwding to the list..

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Ward (wardd) <wardd@cisco.com>
Date: Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-te-express-path
To: "Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)" <cfilsfil@cisco.com>
Cc: "David Ward (wardd)" <wardd@cisco.com>, "Stefano Previdi (sprevidi)" <
sprevidi@cisco.com>, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>, Alia
Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>, John E Drake <jdrake@juniper.net>, "
spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters.com" <spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters.com>,
David Ward <dward@cisco.com>


+1

On May 11, 2015, at 2:19 AM, Clarence Filsfils <cfilsfil@cisco.com>
 wrote:

> I'm not aware of any IPR that applies on this draft.
>
> IPR related to TLVs introduced in draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions
and RFC7471 have been disclosed already in compliance with IPR rules.
>
> Cheers,
> Clarence
>
> On 11-May-15 10:52, Stefano Previdi (sprevidi) wrote:
>> I'm not aware of any IPR that applies on this draft.
>>
>> IPR related to TLVs introduced in draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions
and RFC7471 have been disclosed already in compliance with IPR rules.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Fwding to the list..<br><br><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sender=
name">David Ward (wardd)</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wardd@=
cisco.com">wardd@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:2=
7 AM<br>Subject: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-te-express-path<br>To=
: &quot;Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cfilsfil@c=
isco.com">cfilsfil@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: &quot;David Ward (wardd)&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wardd@cisco.com">wardd@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Stefa=
no Previdi (sprevidi)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sprevidi@cisco.com">sprev=
idi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, Vishnu Pavan Beeram &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishnupava=
n@gmail.com">vishnupavan@gmail.com</a>&gt;, Alia Atlas &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:akatlas@gmail.com">akatlas@gmail.com</a>&gt;, John E Drake &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:jdrake@juniper.net">jdrake@juniper.net</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters.com">spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters=
.com</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters.com">=
spencer.giacalone@thomsonreuters.com</a>&gt;, David Ward &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:dward@cisco.com">dward@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><br><br>+1<br>
<br>
On May 11, 2015, at 2:19 AM, Clarence Filsfils &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cfilsf=
il@cisco.com">cfilsfil@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">=C2=A0wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; I&#39;m not aware of any IPR that applies on this draft.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; IPR related to TLVs introduced in draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extensions=
 and RFC7471 have been disclosed already in compliance with IPR rules.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt; Clarence<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 11-May-15 10:52, Stefano Previdi (sprevidi) wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; I&#39;m not aware of any IPR that applies on this draft.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; IPR related to TLVs introduced in draft-ietf-isis-te-metric-extens=
ions and RFC7471 have been disclosed already in compliance with IPR rules.<=
br>
<br>
</div></div></div><br></div></div>

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Hi,

I've reviewed the updated version of this document and believe it is ready =
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I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication.

Regards,
Dhruv (co-author)

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

> All,
>
> As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this
> document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is
> useful and important, even from authors.
>
> Thanks,
> Lou (and Pavan)
>
> On 5/19/2015 5:20 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > This starts a two week working group last call on
> > draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.
> >
> > This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June 2nd. Please send
> > your comments to the TEAS mailing list.
> >
> > Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR declarations
> > from authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in
> > the history of the document:
> > <
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34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">I&#39;ve reviewed thi=
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if;font-size:12.8px">document and believe it is ready for publication.=C2=
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extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Lou B=
erger <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lberger@labn.net" target=3D"_=
blank">lberger@labn.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
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1ex">All,<br>
<br>
As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., &quot;I&#39;ve reviewed thi=
s<br>
document and believe it is ready for publication&quot;, are welcome! This i=
s<br>
useful and important, even from authors.<br>
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<span class=3D""><br>
On 5/19/2015 5:20 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:<br>
&gt; All,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This starts a two week working group last call on<br>
&gt; draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June 2nd. Please send<br=
>
&gt; your comments to the TEAS mailing list.<br>
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&gt; Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR declarations<b=
r>
&gt; from authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in<=
br>
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</span>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccam=
p-flexi-grid-fwk/history/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/d=
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&gt;<br>
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Hi Dhruv,
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I've been silent on this because (like I said) I don't really care if =
you go ahead with this extension as an experiment. But just for the =
record, I think it is a wrong thing and that your experiment will not be =
a success because:
- the feature has no value
- you appear to be saying that you are not really interested even for
 your experimental implementation because your real concern is for
  the PCEP work.
=20
The use cases you suggest here do not seem to me to have value...
=20
> Area based domain-sequence configuration to be applicable even when =
PCE
> are not used for path computation
=20
I remain certain that with or without a distinct PCE node, the concept =
of an area-sequence is unhelpful. If you do anything other than specify =
a full explicit path, then a node will be faced with an abstract node in =
the ERO (the area ID) and must perform a path computation to expand the =
path to reach the abstract node. My contention is:
- placing an area ID in the path when the hops are explicit is of no =
help
- placing an area ID in the path as an abstract node does not aid
 computation of a path within an AS as the path can already be
  determined to traverse the sequence of areas.
=20
> To allow to and fro of subobjects between signalling and path =
computation
> if need be =20
=20
I don't believe that there is the need! There are two directions:
- The PCC might want to map an area ID encountered in a signaling
  message to a PCReq. But it will not find one in a signaling message
  or have any use for this feature if there is no value to placing an
  rea ID in signaling
- The PCC might want to map an area ID in a path in a PCRep to a
  signaling message. But it will not find one in a PCRep if the =
inclusion
  of an area ID in a path does not further define a path.
=20
In other words, neither in signaling nor in PCEP does adding an area ID =
to the definition of a path in any way clarify the path or aid the =
description or signaling of the path.
=20
That's my last comment on this issue unless you choose to debate =
further.
=20
Thanks,
Adrian
=20
PS I still wonder whether pulling the 4 octet ASN onto the standards =
track would be wise.
=20
=20
From: Dhruv Dhody [mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com]=20
Sent: 22 May 2015 04:09
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
Cc: Dhruv Dhody (dhruv.ietf@gmail.com)
Subject: RE: [Teas] WG Last Call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01
=20
Hi Adrian,=20
=20
Thanks for the comments=E2=80=A6
=20
From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
Sent: 21 May 2015 02:04
To: teas@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01
=20
Hi,
=20
Herewith my last call review.=20
=20
Cheers,
Adrian
=20
The definition of a 4-octet ASN for the ERO has value: hard to believe =
that no-one has defined it before. I wonder whether the value is =
sufficient to pull it out of this Experimental (thanks for making the =
area ID work experimental) and placing it in a Standards track document.
=20
[Dhruv]: Chairs, WG, Thoughts?=20
=20
---
=20
I personally find the definition of ERO subobjects for IGP areas
even more peculiar for signaling than I did for PCEP. I have no
serious objection to experimentation with this, but I doubt its=20
utility. The facts are that if you are:
- in the backbone area of an AS you know how to reach any
  destination within the same AS either because it is either in
  the backbone area or because you know with area border router to=20
  use
- not in the backbone area of an AS you know how to reach any
  destination within the same AS either because it is either in
  the same area, or you know to go to an area border router to
  route through the backbone
- in a different AS from the destination in which case you will
  need to go to your backbone area and then (possibly via transit=20
  ASes) to the backbone area of the destination AS.
I do not see how an abstract node that identifies the area is
any help.
=20
Example A1 is, of course, simple as to be pointless because the=20
border routers are synonymous with the choices of IGP area. But it
might be argued that in the case where Area A is dual-homed to Area
B the initiator might want to indicate a path through Area B without
selecting between the border routers. However, I would argue that a
loose hop to the destination or to the chosen border router into=20
Area C is all the information that is needed to compute a path at
the Ingress (as far as Area B because the Egress is not in Area A),
at ABF1 (as far as Area C because Area B knows that the Egress is
in Area C through normal IGP information), and at BC1 (as far as
the Egress which lies in Area C).
=20
Furthermore, in example A2.2 I don't see the value in including=20
Area B in the ERO since the only entry points into AS200 are per
force via Area B.
=20
Similarly in route exclusion it appears that an excluded IGP area
is either not conceivably on the route anyway (so it is harmless to
say "exclude it", but also pointless) or unavoidably on the route=20
(so that asking to avoid it is like asking to not have a route). But
I suppose it is faintly possible that the originator does not know in
what area the destination lies and prefers no path than a path to the
destination if it lies in a specific area.
=20
I fear I have made these points before (in CCAMP) and I don't want to
be guilty of bringing up the same issue repeatedly. I don't feel=20
that my point was addressed, but that may be my fault for not really
caring about this work one way or the other.
=20
[Dhruv]: It should be no surprise (J) that path computation (PCEP) was =
our primary motivation, with the need for extension for signalling =
identified to keep the protocol and registries in sync.=20
I agree that there are other ways, as you clearly mention above, that =
said - area subobject is just another tool in the toolkit, and can be =
useful in some cases -
=20
-      Area based domain-sequence configuration to be applicable even =
when PCE are not used for path computation
-      To allow to and fro of subobjects between signalling and path =
computation if need be =20
=20
I have added some text in the I-D for this.
---
=20
The abstract suggests that the new subobjects can identify generic
domains and then says "such as IGP areas or ASes". But you are only
defining new subobjects for 4 byte ASN, and for IGP areas: you don't
have a generic domain identifier. So the abstract appears to be
over-stating the case.
=20
[Dhruv]: Updated.
=20
---
=20
I have no strong feelings, but I note that the subobjects in 3209 all
put any necessary padding at the end of the subobject (for example,
4.3.3.2. Subobject 1: IPv4 prefix). I believe it was determined during
the authorship of 3209 that 4-octet alignment was not needed and that
compact filling of data was preferred. You might want to stay in synch
with that.
=20
[Dhruv]: But I thought we moved away from that as we added more =
subobjects like Unnumbered Interface ID and SRLG :)=20
=20
---
=20
3.2.1
=20
Since this document is Experimental I assume that there is currently no
intent to deprecate subobject 32 (the 2-octet ASN). You give clear
explanation of how to encode a 2-octet ASN in the new subobject, but I
think you should give advice about which subobject should be the default
(at least in your experiment) for the use of a 2-octet ASN.
=20
[Dhruv]: Added!=20
For the purpose of this experiment, it is advised to use 4-Byte AS =
number subobject as default.
=20
---
=20
3.2.3.  Mode of Operation
=20
   The new subobjects to support 4-Byte AS and IGP (OSPF / ISIS) Area
   could also be used in the ERO=20
=20
"also"? You haven't said anywhere else they could be used.
=20
[Dhruv]: Yes, removed =E2=80=9Calso=E2=80=9D!=20
=20
---
=20
3.3.1 and 3.3.2
=20
   The meaning of the L bit (similar to [RFC4874]).
=20
"similar" or "identical"?
=20
[Dhruv]: Agreed, changed also to handle Xian=E2=80=99s comment!  =20
=20
---
=20
Question: Do you want the IANA assignments to be identical to those in
draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence? That might make [PCE-DOMAIN] a=20
normative reference to ensure that everything is synchronised.
=20
[Dhruv]: Done!=20
=20
Working copy, diff attached!=20
Thanks again for your comments!
=20
Regards,
Dhruv
=20
From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vishnu Pavan =
Beeram
Sent: 19 May 2015 22:20
To: teas@ietf.org
Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01
=20
All,
This starts a two week working group last call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.
This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June 2nd. Please send your =
comments to the TEAS mailing list.

Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR declarations =
from authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in =
the history of the document:=20
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobject=
s/history/
=20
Pavan and Lou.

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Hi =
Dhruv,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I've been silent on this =
because (like I said) I don't really care if you go ahead with this =
extension as an experiment. But just for the record, I think it is a =
wrong thing and that your experiment will not be a success =
because:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- the feature has no =
value<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- you appear to be saying that =
you are not really interested even for<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> <span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0</span>your experimental implementation =
because your real concern is for<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span>the PCEP =
work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>The use cases you suggest here =
do not seem to me to have value...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&gt; Area based =
domain-sequence configuration to be applicable even when =
PCE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&gt; are not used for path =
computation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I remain certain that with or =
without a distinct PCE node, the concept of an area-sequence is =
unhelpful. If you do anything other than specify a full explicit path, =
then a node will be faced with an abstract node in the ERO (the area ID) =
and must perform a path computation to expand the path to reach the =
abstract node. My contention is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- placing an area ID in the =
path when the hops are explicit is of no help<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- placing an area ID in the =
path as an abstract node does not aid<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> <span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0</span>computation of a path within an =
AS as the path can already be<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span>determined to traverse the =
sequence of areas.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&gt; To allow to and fro of =
subobjects between signalling and path =
computation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>&gt; if need be<span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>I don't believe that there is =
the need! There are two directions:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- The PCC might want to map an =
area ID encountered in a signaling<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span>message to a PCReq. But it will =
not find one in a signaling message<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span>or have any use for this =
feature if there is no value to placing an<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span>rea ID in =
signaling<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>- The PCC might want to map an =
area ID in a path in a PCRep to a<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span>signaling message. But it will =
not find one in a PCRep if the inclusion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=C2=A0 </span>of an area ID in a path does =
not further define a path.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>In other words, neither in =
signaling nor in PCEP does adding an area ID to the definition of a path =
in any way clarify the path or aid the description or signaling of the =
path.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>That's my last comment on this =
issue unless you choose to debate further.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'>PS I still wonder whether =
pulling the 4 octet ASN onto the standards track would be =
wise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-fon=
t-family:"Times New =
Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New =
Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-f=
ont-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US'> Dhruv Dhody =
[mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 22 May 2015 =
04:09<br><b>To:</b> adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> =
Dhruv Dhody (dhruv.ietf@gmail.com)<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Teas] WG Last =
Call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
/div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Hi Adrian, =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>Thanks for the =
comments=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue =
1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-lang=
uage:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-lang=
uage:EN-US'> Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Adrian Farrel<br><b>Sent:</b> 21 May 2015 02:04<br><b>To:</b> =
teas@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
/div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Herewith my last call review. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The definition of a 4-octet ASN for the ERO has value: hard to =
believe that no-one has defined it before. I wonder whether the value is =
sufficient to pull it out of this Experimental (thanks for making the =
area ID work experimental) and placing it in a Standards track =
document.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>[Dhruv]: Chairs, =
WG, Thoughts? </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I personally find the definition of ERO subobjects for IGP =
areas<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>even more peculiar for signaling than I did for PCEP. I have =
no<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>serious objection to experimentation with this, but I doubt its =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>utility. The facts are that if you are:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- in the backbone area of an AS you know how to reach =
any<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; destination within the same AS either because it is either =
in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; the backbone area or because you know with area border router =
to <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;use<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- not in the backbone area of an AS you know how to reach =
any<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; destination within the same AS either because it is either =
in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; the same area, or you know to go to an area border router =
to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; route through the backbone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- in a different AS from the destination in which case you =
will<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp; need to go to your backbone area and then (possibly via =
transit <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;ASes) to the backbone area of the destination =
AS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I do not see how an abstract node that identifies the area =
is<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>any help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Example A1 is, of course, simple as to be pointless because the =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>border routers are synonymous with the choices of IGP area. But =
it<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>might be argued that in the case where Area A is dual-homed to =
Area<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>B the initiator might want to indicate a path through Area B =
without<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>selecting between the border routers. However, I would argue that =
a<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>loose hop to the destination or to the chosen border router into =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Area C is all the information that is needed to compute a path =
at<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>the Ingress (as far as Area B because the Egress is not in Area =
A),<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>at ABF1 (as far as Area C because Area B knows that the Egress =
is<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>in Area C through normal IGP information), and at BC1 (as far =
as<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>the Egress which lies in Area C).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Furthermore, in example A2.2 I don't see the value in including =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Area B in the ERO since the only entry points into AS200 are =
per<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>force via Area B.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Similarly in route exclusion it appears that an excluded IGP =
area<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>is either not conceivably on the route anyway (so it is harmless =
to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>say &quot;exclude it&quot;, but also pointless) or unavoidably on the =
route <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(so that asking to avoid it is like asking to not have a route). =
But<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I suppose it is faintly possible that the originator does not know =
in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>what area the destination lies and prefers no path than a path to =
the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>destination if it lies in a specific area.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I fear I have made these points before (in CCAMP) and I don't want =
to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>be guilty of bringing up the same issue repeatedly. I don't feel =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>that my point was addressed, but that may be my fault for not =
really<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>caring about this work one way or the other.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>[Dhruv]: It should be no surprise =
(</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#993366'>J</span><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>) that path computation (PCEP) was our =
primary motivation, with the need for extension for signalling =
identified to keep the protocol and registries in sync. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>I agree that there are other ways, as =
you clearly mention above, that said - area subobject is just another =
tool in the toolkit, and can be useful in some cases =
-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:#993366'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Area based domain-sequence configuration =
to be applicable even when PCE are not used for path =
computation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:#993366'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>To allow to and fro of subobjects =
between signalling and path computation if need be =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>I have added some text in the I-D for =
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The abstract suggests that the new subobjects can identify =
generic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>domains and then says &quot;such as IGP areas or ASes&quot;. But you =
are only<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>defining new subobjects for 4 byte ASN, and for IGP areas: you =
don't<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>have a generic domain identifier. So the abstract appears to =
be<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>over-stating the case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>[Dhruv]: =
Updated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have no strong feelings, but I note that the subobjects in 3209 =
all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>put any necessary padding at the end of the subobject (for =
example,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>4.3.3.2. Subobject 1: IPv4 prefix). I believe it was determined =
during<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>the authorship of 3209 that 4-octet alignment was not needed and =
that<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>compact filling of data was preferred. You might want to stay in =
synch<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>[Dhruv]: But I thought we moved away =
from that as we added more subobjects like Unnumbered Interface ID and =
SRLG :) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>3.2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Since this document is Experimental I assume that there is currently =
no<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>intent to deprecate subobject 32 (the 2-octet ASN). You give =
clear<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>explanation of how to encode a 2-octet ASN in the new subobject, but =
I<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>think you should give advice about which subobject should be the =
default<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(at least in your experiment) for the use of a 2-octet =
ASN.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>[Dhruv]: Added! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>For the purpose of this experiment, it =
is advised to use 4-Byte AS number subobject as =
default.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>3.2.3.&nbsp; Mode of Operation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; The new subobjects to support 4-Byte AS and IGP (OSPF / =
ISIS) Area<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; could also be used in the ERO <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&quot;also&quot;? You haven't said anywhere else they could be =
used.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>[Dhruv]: Yes, removed =
=E2=80=9Calso=E2=80=9D! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>3.3.1 and 3.3.2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&nbsp;&nbsp; The meaning of the L bit (similar to =
[RFC4874]).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>&quot;similar&quot; or &quot;identical&quot;?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#99336=
6'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>[Dhruv]: Agreed, changed also to handle =
Xian=E2=80=99s comment!&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Question: Do you want the IANA assignments to be identical to those =
in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>draft-ietf-pce-pcep-domain-sequence? That might make [PCE-DOMAIN] a =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>normative reference to ensure that everything is =
synchronised.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>[Dhruv]: Done! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Working copy, diff attached! =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Thanks again for your =
comments!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS","sans-serif";color:#993366'>Dhruv<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-lang=
uage:EN-US'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-ansi-lang=
uage:EN-US'> Teas [<a =
href=3D"mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vishnu Pavan Beeram<br><b>Sent:</b> 19 May 2015 =
22:20<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org">teas@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> =
[Teas] WG Last Call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
/div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>All,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This starts a two week =
working group last call on =
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June =
2nd. Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.<br><br>Note, =
IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR declarations from =
authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in the =
history of the document: <br><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-s=
ubobjects/history/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp=
-te-domain-subobjects/history/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Pavan =
and Lou.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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Authors, Hi!

The nits/comments from the following thread -
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/teas/current/msg00118.html - haven't
been addressed yet. Please take care of them.

We need these to be addressed before submitting the draft for publication.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Authors, Hi!<br><br>The nits/comments from =
the following thread - <br></div><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archiv=
e/web/teas/current/msg00118.html">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/teas=
/current/msg00118.html</a> - haven&#39;t been addressed yet. Please take ca=
re of them.<br><br>We need these to be addressed before submitting the draf=
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El 02/06/2015 a las 23:04, Lou Berger escribió:
> All,
>
> As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this
> document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is
> useful and important, even from authors.
Lou,

I have read this document and I am ok with it, just as comments:

- The experimental status is suitable for me,

- It is also fine if, as Adrian suggests, some subobjects  (4 byte AS) 
are moved to standards-track.

Thanks
R.


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Hi,
We have updated the ACTN use case for E2E network services in 
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Revision:	02
Title:		ACTN use-case for E2E network services in multiple vendor domain transport networks
Document date:	2015-06-08
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Pages:		10
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klee-teas-actn-connectivity-multi-domain-02.txt
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Abstract:
    This document provides a use-case that addresses the need for
    facilitating the application of virtual network abstractions and the
    control and management of end-to-end network services that traverse
    multiple vendor domain transport networks.

    These abstractions shall help create a virtualized environment
    supporting operators in viewing and controlling different vendor
    domains, especially for end-to-end network connectivity service for
    a single operator.



                                                                                   


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    We have updated the ACTN use case for E2E network services in
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Revision:	02
Title:		ACTN use-case for E2E network services in multiple vendor domain transport networks
Document date:	2015-06-08
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		10
URL:            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klee-teas-actn-connectivity-multi-domain-02.txt">https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-klee-teas-actn-connectivity-multi-domain-02.txt</a>
Status:         <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klee-teas-actn-connectivity-multi-domain/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klee-teas-actn-connectivity-multi-domain/</a>
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Diff:           <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-klee-teas-actn-connectivity-multi-domain-02">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-klee-teas-actn-connectivity-multi-domain-02</a>

Abstract:
   This document provides a use-case that addresses the need for
   facilitating the application of virtual network abstractions and the
   control and management of end-to-end network services that traverse
   multiple vendor domain transport networks.

   These abstractions shall help create a virtualized environment
   supporting operators in viewing and controlling different vendor
   domains, especially for end-to-end network connectivity service for
   a single operator.



                                                                                  


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) extension for recording TE Metric of a Label Switched Path
        Authors         : Zafar Ali
                          George Swallow
                          Clarence Filsfils
                          Matt Hartley
                          Kenji Kumaki
                          Deutsche Telekom AG
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording-01.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2015-06-08

Abstract:
     There are many scenarios in which Traffic Engineering (TE) metrics
     such as cost, latency and latency variation associated with a
     Forwarding Adjacency (FA) or Routing Adjacency (RA) Label Switched
     Path (LSP) are not available to the ingress and egress nodes. This
     draft provides extensions for the Resource ReserVation Protocol-
     Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) for the support of the discovery of
     cost, latency and latency variation of an LSP.


     

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Performance-based Path Selection for Explicitly Routed LSPs using TE Metric Extensions
        Authors         : Alia Atlas
                          John Drake
                          Spencer Giacalone
                          Dave Ward
                          Stefano Previdi
                          Clarence Filsfils
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-te-express-path-02.txt
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	Date            : 2015-06-09

Abstract:
   In certain networks, it is critical to consider network performance
   criteria when selecting the path for an explicitly routed RSVP-TE
   LSP.  Such performance criteria can include latency, jitter, and loss
   or other indications such as the conformance to link performance
   objectives and non-RSVP TE traffic load.  This specification uses
   network performance data, such as is advertised via the OSPF and ISIS
   TE metric extensions (defined outside the scope of this document) to
   perform such path selections.


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No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft



Authors, Contributors, (and TEAS WG),

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

  Please state either:

  "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
  or
  "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

   If yes to the above, please state either:

  "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
  or
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information, please see the RFCs listed above and
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Thank you,
 TEAS WG Chairs

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Hi TEAS,

Please find a new version of the "Problem Statement for Abstraction and =
Control of Transport Networks" I-D. We have attempted to clarify the =
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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-leeking-teas-actn-problem-statement-00

BR, Dan & fellow PS for ACTN authors

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Abstract:
   Transport networks that provide connectivity and bandwidth for
   customer services have typically been static, lacking
   flexibility, and requiring long planning times when deploying new
   services. Network Providers and Service Providers have embraced
   technologies that allow separation of data plane and control plane,
   distributed signaling for path setup and protection, and centralized
   path computation for service planning and traffic engineering.
   Although these technologies provide significant benefits, they do
   not meet the growing need for network programmability, automation,
   resource sharing, and service elasticity necessary to meet
   operators' requirements for virtual network operation.

   Virtual network operation refers to the creation of a
   virtualized environment allowing operators to view the
   abstraction of the underlying multi-administration, multi-
   vendor, multi-technology networks and to operate, control, and
   manage these multiple networks as if a single virtualized network.
   Another dimension of virtual network operation is the use of
   common core transport network resources by multi-tenant service
   networks as a way of providing a virtualized infrastructure to
   flexibly offer new services and applications.

   The work effort investigating this problem space is known as
   Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks (ACTN). This
   document provides an ACTN problem description, a scope of work,
   and outlines the core objectives and requirements to facilitate
   virtual network operation.


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : Requirements for Very Fast Setup of GMPLS LSPs
        Authors         : Andrew G. Malis
                          Brian J. Wilson
                          George Clapp
                          Vishnu Shukla
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements-01.txt
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Abstract:
   Establishment and control of Label Switch Paths (LSPs) have become
   mainstream tools of commercial and government network providers.  One
   of the elements of further evolving such networks is scaling their
   performance in terms of LSP bandwidth and traffic loads, LSP
   intensity (e.g., rate of LSP creation, deletion, and modification),
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   levels of resilience.

   The goal of this document is to present target scaling objectives and
   the related protocol requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS).


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TEAS WG and chairs:

All received comments on this draft have been addressed, and the authors
believe that it is now ready for WG last call.

Thanks much,
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and
Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Requirements for Very Fast Setup of GMPLS LSPs
        Authors         : Andrew G. Malis
                          Brian J. Wilson
                          George Clapp
                          Vishnu Shukla
        Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements-01.txt
        Pages           : 8
        Date            : 2015-06-11

Abstract:
   Establishment and control of Label Switch Paths (LSPs) have become
   mainstream tools of commercial and government network providers.  One
   of the elements of further evolving such networks is scaling their
   performance in terms of LSP bandwidth and traffic loads, LSP
   intensity (e.g., rate of LSP creation, deletion, and modification),
   LSP set up delay, quality of service differentiation, and different
   levels of resilience.

   The goal of this document is to present target scaling objectives and
   the related protocol requirements for Generalized Multi-Protocol
   Label Switching (GMPLS).


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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Abstract:<br>
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come<br>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0levels of resilience.<br>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0Label Switching (GMPLS).<br>
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FYI

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All authors need to be aware of the â€‹RFC Editor's statement on
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : RSVP-TE Extensions for Collecting SRLG Information
        Authors         : Fatai Zhang
                          Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                          Dan Li
                          Cyril Margaria
                          Matt Hartley
                          Zafar Ali
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-srlg-collect-01.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2015-06-12

Abstract:
   This document provides extensions for the Resource ReserVation
   Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) to support automatic
   collection of Shared Risk Link Group (SRLG) information for the TE
   link formed by a Label Switched Path (LSP).


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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All,
 This starts a two week working group last call on
draft-ietf-teas-te-express-path-02.

The working group last call ends on Monday, June 29th. Please
send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.

As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this
document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
This is useful and important, even from authors.

Thanks,
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The WG last call is now closed for this document.

There was a question raised (Adrian) on this thread, for which it would be
useful to get some consensus on -
- Should the definition of the 4-octet AS sub-object be moved to standards
track?

@WG -- Please chime in.

Thanks,
-Pavan and Lou.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Venugopal Reddy K <
venugopalreddyk@huawei.com> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>
>
> I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Venu(co-author)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org <teas-bounces@ietf.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Vishnu Pavan Beeram
> *Sent:* 20 May 2015 02:50
> *To:* teas@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [Teas] WG Last Call on
> draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01
>
>
>
> All,
>
> This starts a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.
>
> This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June 2nd. Please send your
> comments to the TEAS mailing list.
>
> Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR declarations from
> authors and contributors have been collected and can be found in the
> history of the document:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/history/
>
>
>
> Pavan and Lou.
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al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222">I&#39;ve reviewed this=C2=A0=
document and believe it is ready for publication.=C2=A0</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:#4c1130"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Tr=
ebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#4c1130"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222">Regards,</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&=
quot;;color:#4c1130"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#222222">Venu(co-author)</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:#4c1130"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tr=
ebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tr=
ebuchet MS&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
4.0pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Teas [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto:teas-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vishnu Pavan Beeram<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 May 2015 02:50<span class=3D""><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org=
</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subob=
jects-01<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
</div>
</div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">All,<u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">This starts a two wee=
k working group last call on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June 2=
nd. Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.<br>
<br>
Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR declarations from a=
uthors and contributors have been collected and can be found in the history=
 of the document:
<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-=
subobjects/history/" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra=
ft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/history/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pavan and Lou.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</span></div>
</div>
</div>

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Authors, Contributors, (and TEAS WG),

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

  Please state either:

  "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
  or
  "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

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(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

   If yes to the above, please state either:

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=C2=A0 &quot;Yes, I&#39;m aware of <span><span class=3D"">IPR</span></span>=
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<br>
If so, has this <span><span class=3D"">IPR</span></span> been disclosed in =
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Fwding to the WG.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Wilson, Brian J <bwilson@appcomsci.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements
To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>


Vishnu:



No. I am not aware of any IPR that applies to
draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements.



Brian Wilson



*From:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2015 4:19 PM
*To:* Andrew Malis; Wilson, Brian J; clapp@research.att.com;
vishnu.shukla@verizon.com
*Cc:* teas@ietf.org
*Subject:* Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements



Authors, Contributors, (and TEAS WG),

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

  Please state either:

  "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
  or
  "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

   If yes to the above, please state either:

  "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
  or
  "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

  If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
  appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR.  This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor.  NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS
MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the TEAS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules
which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of
others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any
contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR.  For more
information, please see the RFCs listed above and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
- TEAS WG Chairs

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Fwding to the WG.<br><br><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">-=
--------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class=3D"gmail_sendernam=
e">Wilson, Brian J</b> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bwilson@appc=
omsci.com">bwilson@appcomsci.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 =
at 4:23 PM<br>Subject: RE: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requi=
rements<br>To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.=
com">vishnupavan@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><br><br><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"p=
urple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Vishnu:<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">No. I am not aware of=
 any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Brian Wilson<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
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t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:=
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>Subject:</b> Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements<u></u=
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blank">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty=
</a>.<br><br>Thank you,<br>- TEAS WG Chairs<br><br>PS: Please include all l=
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No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Cheers,
Andy

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Authors, Contributors, (and TEAS WG),
>
> As part of the preparation for WG Last Call:
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?
>
>   Please state either:
>
>   "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
>   or
>   "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
>
>    If yes to the above, please state either:
>
>   "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
>   or
>   "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"
>
>   If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
>   appropriate.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
> aware of any relevant IPR.  This document will not advance to the next
> stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
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> which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of
> others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any
> contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR.  For more
> information, please see the RFCs listed above and
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.
>
> Thank you,
> - TEAS WG Chairs
>
> PS: Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
> response.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:13px">No, I&#39;m not aware of an=
y=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:13px">IPR</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:13px">=C2=A0that applies to this draft.</span><br><div><span style=3D"=
font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px">Cheers=
,</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px">Andy</span></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1=
:19 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishnup=
avan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">vishnupavan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Authors, Contributors=
, (and TEAS WG),<br>
<br>
As part of the preparation for WG <span>Last</span> <span>Call</span>:<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any <span><span>IPR</span></span> that applies to draft id=
entified above?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Please state either:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;No, I&#39;m not aware of any <span><span>IPR</span></span> tha=
t applies to this draft&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 or<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;Yes, I&#39;m aware of <span><span>IPR</span></span> that appli=
es to this draft&quot;<br>
<br>
If so, has this <span><span>IPR</span></span> been disclosed in compliance =
with IETF <span><span>IPR</span></span> rules<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0If yes to the above, please state either:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;Yes, the <span><span>IPR</span></span> has been disclosed in c=
ompliance with IETF <span><span>IPR</span></span> rules&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 or<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;No, the <span><span>IPR</span></span> has not been disclosed&q=
uot;<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think<br=
>
=C2=A0 appropriate.<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the<br>
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are<br>
aware of any relevant <span><span>IPR</span></span>.=C2=A0 This document wi=
ll not advance to the next<br>
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed<br>
contributor.=C2=A0 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS<br>
MESSAGE&#39;S TO LINES.<br>
<br>
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contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF <span><span>I=
PR</span></span> rules<br>
which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of <span><span>IPR=
</span></span> of<br>
others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any<br>
contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed <span><span>IPR</spa=
n></span>.=C2=A0 For more<br>
information, please see the RFCs listed above and<br>
<a href=3D"http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProp=
erty" target=3D"_blank">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Int=
ellectualProperty</a>.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>- TEAS WG Chairs<br><br>PS: Please include all listed in the =
headers of this message in your<br>
response.<br></div>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Egress Local Protection
        Authors         : Huaimo Chen
                          Ning So
                          Autumn Liu
                          Tarek Saad
                          Fengman Xu
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection-02.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2015-06-18

Abstract:
   This document describes extensions to Resource Reservation Protocol -
   Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) for locally protecting egress nodes of
   a Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Path (LSP), which is a
   Point-to-Point (P2P) LSP or a Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) LSP.


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        Title           : Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Ingress Local Protection
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                          Raveendra Torvi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection-03.txt
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Abstract:
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   of a Traffic Engineered (TE) Label Switched Path (LSP), which is a
   Point-to-Point (P2P) LSP or a Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) LSP.


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All,
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As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this
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<div dir="ltr">All,<br>
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Hi Folks,

The next version of the TE-Topology model draft will be submitted next week=
. In the meantime, please review the latest version of the model uploaded o=
n github and let us know if there are any questions/comments. We expect to =
make one more update before submitting the draft.

https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology.yang
https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology_tree.txt

Regards,
- Xufeng (on behalf of the authors)


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The next version of th=
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 We expect to make one more update before submitting the draft.<o:p></o:p><=
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Pavan,

I'm the editor of this document and believe that it is ready for
publication.

Thanks,
Andy


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> All,
> This starts a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements
>
> The working group last call ends on Monday, July 6th. Please
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>
> As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this
> document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
> This is useful and important, even from authors.
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> Thanks,
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Pavan,<div><br></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px">I=
&#39;m the editor of this=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:13px">docume=
nt and believe that it is ready for publication.</span><br></div><div><span=
 style=3D"font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13=
px">Thanks,</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px">Andy</span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size:13px"><br></span></div></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 2:55 PM=
, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">vishnupavan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">All,<br>
This starts a two week working group <span>last</span> <span>call</span> on=
<br>
draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements<br>
<br>
The working group <span>last</span> <span>call</span> ends on <span><span>M=
onday, July 6th</span></span>. Please<br>
send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.<br>
<br>
As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., &quot;I&#39;ve reviewed thi=
s<br>
document and believe it is ready for publication&quot;, are welcome!<br>
This is useful and important, even from authors.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<span>Pavan</span><br>
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Dear TEAS,

The IETF93 draft agenda is out.  We're tentatively scheduled for Wednesday
Afternoon Session I -- note this may change.

Please send your agenda requests to the addresses cc'ed above by end of day
July 5th. Include draft name, and who will be presenting. A draft agenda
will be uploaded on the 6th.

WG Draft authors are expected to present if there are open issues to
discuss, or to send status to the list  *1 week* prior to the WG meeting if
not presenting. Status includes review of: any recent changes, any open
discussions or issues, and planned next steps.

Slides will be due on Sunday July 19, 2015. (Send slides to the addresses
cc'ed above, but not the WG.)

Some important dates:
2015-06-26 (Friday): Final agenda to be published.
2015-07-06 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts,
including -00) by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool.
2015-07-06 (Monday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, upload
using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
2015-07-10 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at UTC
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2015-07-13 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, upload
using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool.
2015-07-13 (Monday): Registration cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59.
2015-07-17 (Friday): Final Pre-Registration and Pre-Payment cut-off at
17:00 local meeting time.
2015-07-19 - 2015-07-24: IETF 93 in Prague, Czech Republic.

Thanks,

Pavan, Lou and Matt

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<div dir=3D"ltr">

<p class=3D"">Dear TEAS,</p>

<p class=3D"">The IETF93 draft agenda is out.<span style>=C2=A0 </span>We&#=
39;re tentatively scheduled for Wednesday Afternoon Session I -- note this =
may change. <br></p><p class=3D"">Please send your agenda requests to the a=
ddresses cc&#39;ed
above by end of day July 5th. Include draft name, and who will be presentin=
g.
A draft agenda will be uploaded on the 6th.

</p><p class=3D"">WG Draft authors are expected to present if there are
open issues to discuss, or to send status to the list<span style>=C2=A0 </s=
pan>*1 week* prior to the WG meeting if not
presenting. Status includes review of: any recent changes, any open discuss=
ions
or issues, and planned next steps.</p>

<p class=3D"">Slides will be due on Sunday July 19, 2015. (Send slides
to the addresses cc&#39;ed above, but not the WG.)</p>

<p class=3D"">Some important dates:</p> 2015-06-26 (Friday): Final agenda t=
o be published.<br> 2015-07-06 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off =
(for all drafts, including -00) by
              UTC 23:59, upload using IETF ID Submission Tool.<br> 2015-07-=
06 (Monday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59, upload
                using IETF Meeting Materials Management
              Tool.<br> 2015-07-10 (Friday): Early Bird registration and pa=
yment cut-off at UTC 23:59.<br> 2015-07-13 (Monday): Revised Working Group =
agendas due by UTC 23:59, upload using IETF
              Meeting Materials Management Tool.<br> 2015-07-13 (Monday): R=
egistration cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59.<br> 2015-07-17 (Friday): Fin=
al Pre-Registration and Pre-Payment cut-off at 17:00 local meeting
              time. <br> 2015-07-19 - 2015-07-24: IETF 93 in Prague, Czech =
Republic.<br><div>=C2=A0<br>Thanks,

<p class=3D"">Pavan, Lou and Matt</p>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : RSVP-TE Extensions for Collecting SRLG Information
        Authors         : Fatai Zhang
                          Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
                          Matt Hartley
                          Zafar Ali
                          Cyril Margaria
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-srlg-collect-02.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2015-06-25

Abstract:
   This document provides extensions for the Resource ReserVation
   Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) to support automatic
   collection of Shared Risk Link Group (SRLG) information for the TE
   link formed by a Label Switched Path (LSP).


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All,

Some minor updates to address comments. I believe there are now no further =
outstanding comments to be dealt with.

Cheers

Matt

> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
>  This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and
> Signaling Working Group of the IETF.
>=20
>         Title           : RSVP-TE Extensions for Collecting SRLG
> Information
>         Authors         : Fatai Zhang
>                           Oscar Gonzalez de Dios
>                           Matt Hartley
>                           Zafar Ali
>                           Cyril Margaria
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-srlg-collect-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 14
> 	Date            : 2015-06-25
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> Abstract:
>    This document provides extensions for the Resource ReserVation
>    Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) to support automatic
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>    link formed by a Label Switched Path (LSP).
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Hi, Xufeng and the authors,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you for getting us updated.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">I haven=A1=AFt got time to read in de=
tails; just by skimming through the tree,&nbsp; I have the following questi=
ons:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;color:#1F497D">During last IETF presentation, Pavan mentioned the model =
will try to use the generic topology model. Is this going to happen in this=
 version? &nbsp;If not, what is your plan?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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imes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;color:#1F497D">A topology is now identified via a triplet ( provider-id,=
 client-id, te-topology-id). I fail to see client-id as an universal attrib=
ute. For example, if I am the provider
 and I have one or topology, so how do I fill in the client-id field?<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;color:#1F497D">I thought schedule will go away in a newer version, but i=
nstead it is made as a feature. I can live with this option, but why does a=
 topology has a detailed timing information,
 while in the meantime its links and nodes have the same amount of informat=
ion? Isn=A1=AFt the existence of a topology depends on that of the nodes an=
d links?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#=
1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;T=
imes New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5=
pt;color:#1F497D">underlay-path and underlay-backup-path both have a list o=
f path elements. I think the first is working, is it? if so, could you rena=
me the first as underlay-working-path?
 Alternatively, it would be better to put the two together and add a workin=
g/backup flag?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Will get a more detailed review once =
the text is updated together with the code.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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le=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Cheers,<br>
Xian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nt-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&qu=
ot;sans-serif&quot;"> Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Xufeng Liu<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 2015</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=
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<b>To:</b> teas@ietf.org<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Folk=
s, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">The nex=
t version of the TE-Topology model draft will be submitted next week. In th=
e meantime, please review the latest version of the model uploaded on githu=
b and let us know if there are any questions/comments.
 We expect to make one more update before submitting the draft.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=
=3D"https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology.yang"=
>https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology.yang</a>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=
=3D"https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology_tree.=
txt">https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology_tree=
.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- Xufen=
g (on behalf of the authors)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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All,

Given the lack of discussion, I propose that the definition should be
left as is.  We can always revisit if/when usage warrants moving to
Standards track. 

In other words, speak up now if you want anything different.

Thanks,
Lou


On 6/16/2015 4:22 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:
> The WG last call is now closed for this document.
>
> There was a question raised (Adrian) on this thread, for which it
> would be useful to get some consensus on -
> - Should the definition of the 4-octet AS sub-object be moved to
> standards track?
>
> @WG -- Please chime in.
>
> Thanks,
> -Pavan and Lou.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Venugopal Reddy K
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>     Hi,
>
>      
>
>     I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication. 
>
>      
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Venu(co-author)
>
>      
>
>      
>
>     *From:*Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Vishnu
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>     *Subject:* [Teas] WG Last Call on
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>      
>
>     All,
>
>     This starts a two week working group last call on
>     draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-01.
>
>     This working group last call ends on Tuesday, June 2nd. Please
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>     Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. All the IPR
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All,
    The LC ends on Monday and there haven't yet been any comments
received during the LC period.  It's not too late to voice your opinion.

If you can, please review the latest rev of the document and comment. 
Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed the latest version of this
document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This
would be helpful, even from authors.  (Just saying "support" without
review doesn't really serve the purpose.)

Thanks,
Lou (and Pavan)

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> All,
>  This starts a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-teas-te-express-path-02.
>
> The working group last call ends on Monday, June 29th. Please
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Hi,
    I've reviewed this document and have only nit level comments:

- Section 1 , 1st paragraph: A reference to RFC3473 should be added to
make it clear that this document is equally applicable to GMPLS
controlled networks.

- Section 2.3.2 - the term "Anomalous State" isn't defined.  Should have
a 1 liner here to define the term relative to the bit, or be rephrased
to just reference Anomalous bits.

Lou

PS it is a rare document that enters WG LC in such good condition --
Kudos to the authors/contributors!

On 6/15/2015 2:59 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
> All,
>  This starts a two week working group last call on
> draft-ietf-teas-te-express-path-02.
>
> The working group last call ends on Monday, June 29th. Please
> send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.
>
> As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this
> document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
> This is useful and important, even from authors.
>
> Thanks,
> Lou (and Pavan)
>
>
>
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I put together some notes on participating and presenting in TEAS WG
sessions and posted them on our Wiki - see
   http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/MeetingGuidelines

Please feel free to edit -- it is a wiki after all. (or send comments to
me or the list.)

Lou


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Hi Xian,

Thanks for the comments. Please check the replies below in-line.

Best,

- Xufeng

From: Zhangxian (Xian) [mailto:zhang.xian@huawei.com]
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 5:32 AM
To: Xufeng Liu
Cc: teas@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Updating draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-00

Hi, Xufeng and the authors,

Thank you for getting us updated.

I haven=1B$B!G=1B(Bt got time to read in details; just by skimming through =
the tree,  I have the following questions:


1)      During last IETF presentation, Pavan mentioned the model will try t=
o use the generic topology model. Is this going to happen in this version? =
 If not, what is your plan?
[Xufeng] The integration with the i2rs generic topology model is currently =
working in progress. We will report the status during IETF93.


2)      A topology is now identified via a triplet ( provider-id, client-id=
, te-topology-id). I fail to see client-id as an universal attribute. For e=
xample, if I am the provider and I have one or topology, so how do I fill i=
n the client-id field?
[Xufeng] In that case, the client-id will be 0. Similar to  the Global_ID d=
escribed in RFC6370, 0 means that the client-id is not specified.



3)      I thought schedule will go away in a newer version, but instead it =
is made as a feature. I can live with this option, but why does a topology =
has a detailed timing information, while in the meantime its links and node=
s have the same amount of information? Isn=1B$B!G=1B(Bt the existence of a =
topology depends on that of the nodes and links?
[Xufeng] The schedule is still here because there has been no proper home f=
or it. Topology, node, and link all have such a scheduling option so that e=
ach entity can be scheduled independently. There could be such a case when =
some links are removed but the topology remains.



4)      underlay-path and underlay-backup-path both have a list of path ele=
ments. I think the first is working, is it? if so, could you rename the fir=
st as underlay-working-path? Alternatively, it would be better to put the t=
wo together and add a working/backup flag?
[Xufeng] We have renamed them to underlay-primary-path and underlay-backup-=
path.

Will get a more detailed review once the text is updated together with the =
code.

Cheers,
Xian

From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Xufeng Liu
Sent: 2015=1B$BG/=1B(B6=1B$B7n=1B(B23=1B$BF|=1B(B 4:23
To: teas@ietf.org<mailto:teas@ietf.org>
Subject: [Teas] Updating draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-00

Hi Folks,

The next version of the TE-Topology model draft will be submitted next week=
. In the meantime, please review the latest version of the model uploaded o=
n github and let us know if there are any questions/comments. We expect to =
make one more update before submitting the draft.

https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology.yang
https://github.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology_tree.txt

Regards,
- Xufeng (on behalf of the authors)


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
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n (Xian) [mailto:zhang.xian@huawei.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 26, 2015 5:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Xufeng Liu<br>
<b>Cc:</b> teas@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Updating draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-00<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Hi, X=
ufeng and the authors,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Thank you for getting us updated.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">I haven=1B$B!G=1B(Bt got time to read in details; ju=
st by skimming through the tree,&nbsp; I have the following questions:<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><span s=
tyle=3D"mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&=
quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497=
D">During last IETF presentation, Pavan mentioned the model will try to use=
 the generic topology model. Is this going to happen in this version? &nbsp=
;If not, what is your plan?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Xufeng] The int=
egration with the i2rs generic topology model is currently working in progr=
ess. We will report the status during IETF93.</span></i></b><span style=3D"=
color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><span s=
tyle=3D"mso-list:Ignore">2)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&=
quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497=
D">A topology is now identified via a triplet ( provider-id, client-id, te-=
topology-id). I fail to see client-id as an universal attribute. For exampl=
e, if I am the provider and I have
 one or topology, so how do I fill in the client-id field?<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Xufeng] In that=
 case, the client-id will be 0. Similar to &nbsp;the Global_ID described in=
 RFC6370, 0 means that the client-id is not specified.</span></i></b><span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:22.8pt;text-indent:-.25i=
n;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><span s=
tyle=3D"mso-list:Ignore">3)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&=
quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497=
D">I thought schedule will go away in a newer version, but instead it is ma=
de as a feature. I can live with this option, but why does a topology has a=
 detailed timing information, while
 in the meantime its links and nodes have the same amount of information? I=
sn=1B$B!G=1B(Bt the existence of a topology depends on that of the nodes an=
d links?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Xufeng] The sch=
edule is still here because there has been no proper home for it. Topology,=
 node, and link all have such a scheduling option so that each entity can b=
e scheduled independently. There could
 be such a case when some links are removed but the topology remains.</span=
></i></b><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D=
"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:22.8pt;text-indent:-.25i=
n;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><span s=
tyle=3D"mso-list:Ignore">4)<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&=
quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497=
D">underlay-path and underlay-backup-path both have a list of path elements=
. I think the first is working, is it? if so, could you rename the first as=
 underlay-working-path? Alternatively,
 it would be better to put the two together and add a working/backup flag? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Xufeng] We have=
 renamed them to underlay-primary-path and underlay-backup-path.</span></i>=
</b><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Will get a more detailed review once the text is upd=
ated together with the code.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:4.8pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D">Cheer=
s,<br>
Xian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Teas [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Xufeng Liu<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 2015</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:SimSun">=1B$BG/=1B(B</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">6</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN"=
 style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:SimSun">=1B$B7n=1B(B</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot=
;">23</span><span lang=3D"ZH-CN" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:SimS=
un">=1B$BF|=1B(B</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ta=
homa&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
 4:23<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org">teas@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Teas] Updating draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-00<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Folks, <o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The next version of th=
e TE-Topology model draft will be submitted next week. In the meantime, ple=
ase review the latest version of the model uploaded on github and let us kn=
ow if there are any questions/comments.
 We expect to make one more update before submitting the draft.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"https://git=
hub.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology.yang">https://github=
.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology.yang</a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"https://git=
hub.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology_tree.txt">https://gi=
thub.com/ietf-mpls-yang/te/blob/master/ietf-te-topology_tree.txt</a><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">- Xufeng (on behalf of=
 the authors)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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