From nobody Sun Nov 1 04:21:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E231B7E67 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 04:21:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E-VAb8jHQJvE for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 04:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FD521B7E65 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 04:21:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=605; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446380480; x=1447590080; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=8TnrhWbgzRr+9vJNjvlUiVvuHukfUP+CDcEO6fPp61A=; b=mSMhhvygfzF3cWYz5HH9QhPjgx2FbdBYDZfB/3zSbI/01w3b6Z8/VCe6 XCTXRg0QSKvCk/DoAjqrpfFGUJ05EgE26yiFZipfaZaSTwP2CLnY2+XEq h/CvdMdhvyPXzzPcrdkezPK0hp+bqQAhFVu9Mby4+XU3oUxTte6FEdg1g I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AoBQCeAjZW/5JdJa1egzuBSL85gVqGGQKBFzkTAQEBAQEBAX8LhDYBAQQ6PxACAT4QMiUCBA6INcF6AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARqGd44+AQSWQwF7jCmBWZIPiFEBIgFAhASFaYEHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,229,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="42975248" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2015 12:21:19 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-016.cisco.com (xch-aln-016.cisco.com [173.36.7.26]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA1CLJG2013206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:21:19 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-ALN-016.cisco.com (173.36.7.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 06:21:19 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 06:21:19 -0600 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Status update of draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-resource-sharing-proc Thread-Index: AQHRFIlr9tlI1qh1kUG/B8Hsp6tb1Z6G67KpgAEmRwA= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:21:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.2.150604 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.244.101] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1CEB7BC77D94704399D2B39AF3F3F961@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Pawel Brzozowski , "Gabriele Maria Galimberti \(ggalimbe\)" , "Zhangxian \(Xian\)" , "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" , Zhenghaomian Subject: [Teas] Status update of draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-resource-sharing-proc X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 12:21:22 -0000 Hi WG, Update on the draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-resource-sharing-proc. Current status: Draft has been updated as following: 1. Address Lou's comment on the Introduction section to reflect the Informational document status. 2. Add details for the 1+1+R scheme in Section 2.2 to cover cases for when the restoration LSP is signaled (when one of W/P fails or both W/P fails). 3. Edit the procedure on how the ASSOCIATION object is populated in the restoration LSP as per RFC6689: Open issues: Not aware of any. Next steps: Request WG last call. Thanks, Rakesh (for authors) From nobody Sun Nov 1 07:24:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280401B85E2 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 07:24:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GdH4_OLorXzd for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 07:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A8331B85E1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 07:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by wmff134 with SMTP id f134so42571537wmf.0 for ; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 07:24:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mJAUFLwVYqhMe3zu/fwoqEMbMa1SwftorgYMm9t2e/0=; b=WJp/Nhz12lznHxppTyX5bOS/sTU1aJ0+Tx/MMgKiWTGNvVe5dxvq3A7HlfnR7wVUfn jiU+3Sy1fw4ubUzLzatSDYhpgm8eFQqkxJTbTpoYHjYyGEgCHNcMj7DNwOL9KQgVEFmI c/raLTt1JJNbJ6oBcOmSnpYOLZFLIuf7xT07zm21GVzfCCPPq9fVAEpHVVLRxD68fLBK LLJJUtbnC1I0p1XWO+qou3FMYNx2lAA7EF8JdquStDSrP1Unx4/S11CXUI/P/NktujAX Ij8GCIOsQbwrXs9Y0uzoeLiigQcCRZuJQzWRMj4qhcuT+e+LbUsYmxbOhABLyvPCQy+t BZNA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.28.132.9 with SMTP id g9mr9367239wmd.0.1446391472841; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 07:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.152.234 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 07:24:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 23:24:32 +0800 Message-ID: From: Lizhong Jin To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram , TEAS WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11442386f1ee1a05237c41c5 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 15:24:36 -0000 --001a11442386f1ee1a05237c41c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, As co-author, I support the last call, and believe it is ready for publication. Regards Lizhong > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram > To: "teas@ietf.org" > Cc: > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:57:34 -0400 > Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute > All, > This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps > with the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on > > (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/). > > The working group last call ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send > your comments to the TEAS mailing list. > > As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this > document and > believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and > important, even from authors. > > Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. > > Thanks, > Pavan (and Lou) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > --001a11442386f1ee1a05237c41c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
As co-author, I support the last call, and=C2=A0believe it i= s ready for publication.

Regards
Liz= hong
=C2=A0

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Date:=C2=A0Tue, 27 Oct 2015 = 12:57:34 -0400
Subject:=C2=A0[Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpl= s-lsp-fastreroute

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--001a11442386f1ee1a05237c41c5-- From nobody Sun Nov 1 14:11:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAA11B2EE2 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:11:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XVUv2navVmBp for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A47751B2EE1 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:11:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3134; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446415901; x=1447625501; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=2oeccs2AxtR/GT/oHZmxDgBgZcF/ZC+Laldz5KacraE=; b=gbTnSYJ0xov54ZhGQUSOQiUM+GoJJdbEjVI+3eIsIX7PMfuSL/+OpzAw Xa2/I2Wc3GjEZcxY7KChbROukQF98e1UkMcFCgp/Etj1Qmv9aAmK0Bw3i sq9LggZOjGPjg1ZUV6pkxl1gUBc74w0wrhrXbNQ1rxGao4ocYrANRPqEH s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AjAgDDjTZW/5tdJa1egm5NgUi/LQENgVqGGQKBITgUAQEBAQEBAX8LhDYBAQSBCQIBDEIyJQIEiEPBVAEBAQEBBQEBAQEBAR2Gd44+BZJmg10Be4cRhRiBWZIPiFEBHwEBQoQEhWmBBwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.20,230,1444694400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="42980389" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2015 22:11:38 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com (xch-rcd-018.cisco.com [173.37.102.28]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA1MBcs7000672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:11:38 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com (173.37.102.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:11:37 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:11:37 -0600 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Status update of draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt Thread-Index: AQHRFIiisxlPIigh/UOA61+XRvWaGZ6IlI8AgAAiXgA= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:11:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.2.150604 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.242.124] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D25CBCB17A3D3rgandhiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Status update of draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:11:42 -0000 --_000_D25CBCB17A3D3rgandhiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, Update on the draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt: Current status: IPR Poll has been completed in order to start the WG last call. Open issues: Not aware of any. Next steps: Request WG last call and then complete the publication process. Thanks, Rakesh (for authors) --_000_D25CBCB17A3D3rgandhiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <64E5E6B04915AF419B391863B6291053@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG,

Update on the = draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt:

Current status:
IPR Poll has been completed in order to = start the WG last call.

Open issues:
Not aware of any.

Next steps:
Request WG last call and then complete t= he publication process.

Thanks,
Rakesh (for authors= )


 --_000_D25CBCB17A3D3rgandhiciscocom_-- From nobody Sun Nov 1 14:30:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A9D1B3005 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:30:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dXZHk4I38_My for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E821E1B3004 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:30:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2081; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446417005; x=1447626605; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=+oeiZENO7WB5m4aVtkehOVqJzBAlx9pSEK3gcdc86MM=; b=hfENHbSltrv9SjIvGCCVKIbW9O3801ONwm6RrHkK1yGpTHkQUafzdIRT 8dJzKLGG22Ba1sZnSRg/iGpWVmZyBpz0pD3yxasc9E9wvDVNvPprNCiqm e2s4zithi58/uPFY4qlxjvgxk3+YbCva/G3XStQoFTpc24osOiILHpmwW 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AjAgBXkTZW/49dJa1SDIJuTYFIvy0BDYFahhmBJDgUAQEBAQEBAX8LhDgEHVwSAQwBcycEDog1wVcBAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBAQEbhneJJgGFFwWSZoNdAXuMKYFZkg+IUQEfAQFChASFaYEHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,230,1444694400"; d="scan'208,217";a="203962615" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2015 22:30:03 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-005.cisco.com (xch-rcd-005.cisco.com [173.37.102.15]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA1MU3MI017859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:30:03 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-RCD-005.cisco.com (173.37.102.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:30:02 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:30:02 -0600 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Status update on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute Thread-Index: AQHRFPTZsvG7dnIFWE2cIwf1LDJP7g== Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:30:02 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.2.150604 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.242.124] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D25CC1747A42Argandhiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Mike Taillon \(mtaillon\)" , "manav@ionosnetworks.com" , "frederic.jounay@orange.ch" , "lizho.jin@gmail.com" , "Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)" , "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" Subject: [Teas] Status update on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:30:06 -0000 --_000_D25CC1747A42Argandhiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, Update on the draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute Current status: The draft was updated to adhere to the PS guidelines wiki. The draft is in = the WG Last Call at this time (ends Nov 17th). Open issues: Not aware of any. Next steps: Complete the publication process. Thanks, Rakesh (for authors) --_000_D25CC1747A42Argandhiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <02309431BC521B439F3E51185F845320@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG,

Update on the draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fa= streroute

Current status:
The draft was updated to adhere to the PS guide= lines wiki. The draft is in the WG Last Call at this time (ends Nov 17th).

Open issues:
Not aware of any.

Next steps:
Complete the publication process.

Thanks,
Rakesh (for authors)
--_000_D25CC1747A42Argandhiciscocom_-- From nobody Sun Nov 1 14:34:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3D91B3036 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:33:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KmJ6QxJqcup for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B11001B3033 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4595; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446417237; x=1447626837; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=F50m6h6yI5/BZCAqRf75h5HJz+DKfFuR4crq2GZ3zk8=; b=EKfti6LgDa1CS2O8u1slGBQFPEV72SQKK44LI2D70RCTwX6qqOMO2Gl1 nK1F1bHyj9XlxdtPpjAL2/DniXN5LOSKbDrae5GC0NcR45GRq3rmDxGBN iHXk7HwumGTQCqwyB9675PvNqsak7Urxo0lekemynb2a20hRdYSHzrR6o 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A6AgCEkjZW/40NJK1egm5NU28GrgyRIQENgVoXAQmFeAKBIzgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhDUBAQEEAQEBawsQAgEIBA0DAQIoByEGCxQJCAIEAQ0FiBsDEg28ew2EQgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARiGd4R+glOCKw2ENQWHRY5+AYUchhKBdoFZSIN3jlGDX4NxAREOAQFChARyhHeBBwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,230,1444694400"; d="scan'208,217";a="203963211" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Nov 2015 22:33:57 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com (xch-rcd-016.cisco.com [173.37.102.26]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA1MXuDj008537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:33:56 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com (173.37.102.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:33:57 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:33:56 -0600 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram , TEAS WG , "Lou Berger" Thread-Topic: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute Thread-Index: AQHRFLlousZ9fKzggke3gfbCTEFDfp6IvMWA Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 22:33:56 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.2.150604 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.242.124] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D25CC1E87A439rgandhiciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Mike Taillon \(mtaillon\)" , "manav@ionosnetworks.com" , "frederic.jounay@orange.ch" , "lizho.jin@gmail.com" , "Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)" , "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 22:33:59 -0000 --_000_D25CC1E87A439rgandhiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, Chairs, As a co-author, I have reviewed this document and believe it is ready for p= ublication. Thanks, Rakesh ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram > To: "teas@ietf.org" > Cc: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:57:34 -0400 Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute All, This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/). The working group last call ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send your = comments to the TEAS mailing list. As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this documen= t and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and impor= tant, even from authors. Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. Thanks, Pavan (and Lou) _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_D25CC1E87A439rgandhiciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <0AFF28EC1A93B344B184436047703810@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG, Chairs,

As a co-author, I have reviewed this = document and believe it is ready for publication.

Thanks,
Rakesh

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
To: "teas@ietf.org" <= ;teas@ietf.org>
Cc: 
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute<= br>
All,
This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on <draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastre= route>
(http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-= gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/).

The working group last call ends on T= uesday, November 17. Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.

As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this do= cument and
believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and = important, even from authors.

Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft.

Thanks,
Pavan (and Lou)

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 --_000_D25CC1E87A439rgandhiciscocom_-- From nobody Sun Nov 1 18:04:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1781B41A8 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:04:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nitOFAyyQ_Dw for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F1851B41A9 for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 18:04:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=523; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446429880; x=1447639480; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Kb4kiEqrzlT+OW0nJ2DhU06wi8i61t9EIQ9LnycDQ3E=; b=CWwCX+aBYscmGXRQtFlTksNxFMBgAk/J+pO5bKDyWVnCJA1rMKYEmUHv OgvoTdHCYrg0iaHbvCVRnUVqgt0QOXgxHwP1aCpSTfzUnZ2AL18Sgz8tW PQMS84iPE8V0pCz2hijfRVCebXxSe4MAIZgkx2jQH2xFuHg31SWBPwtva k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0D0AQB7wzZW/4MNJK1egzuBSL8wAQ2BWoYZAoEkOBQBAQEBAQEBgQqENQEBAQMBOj8FCwIBCDYQMiUBAQQODYggCME/AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEZhneEfolABZZDAY0dgWCEP41QiFEBHwEBQoQEhSYHPIEHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,232,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="45891515" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2015 02:04:39 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (xch-aln-002.cisco.com [173.36.7.12]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA224dHc006535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Nov 2015 02:04:39 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:04:38 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:04:38 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Slides and updates for Yokohama Thread-Index: AdEQzcenMq7jb5+ITc2JH8P1jTnFxwERPtng Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 02:04:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4db002a2f7d84920a0dd3ddf95ac870b@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4db002a2f7d84920a0dd3ddf95ac870b@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.244.226] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Matt Hartley \(mhartley\)" , "Lou Berger \(lberger@labn.net\)" , "Vishnu Pavan Beeram \(vbeeram@juniper.net\)" Subject: Re: [Teas] Slides and updates for Yokohama X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 02:04:42 -0000 All, Reminder on this. 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I think its ready for publication. Cheers, Manav On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) wrote: > Hi WG, Chairs, > > As a co-author, I have reviewed this document and believe it is ready for > publication. > > Thanks, > Rakesh > > > >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram >> To: "teas@ietf.org" >> Cc: >> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:57:34 -0400 >> Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute >> All, >> This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps >> with the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on >> >> (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/). >> >> The working group last call ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send >> your comments to the TEAS mailing list. >> >> As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this >> document and >> believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and >> important, even from authors. >> >> Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. >> >> Thanks, >> Pavan (and Lou) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >> >> > --001a114662f6ef6f6e0523859edb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Same here. I think its ready for publication.

Cheers, Manav

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) <= rgandhi@cisco.com> wrote:
Hi WG, Chairs,

As a co-author, I have reviewed this do= cument and believe it is ready for publication.

Thanks,
Rakesh

=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
To:=C2=A0"teas@ietf= .org" <teas@= ietf.org>
Cc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Tue, 27 Oct 2015 12:57:34 -0400
Subject:=C2=A0[Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute<= br>
All,
This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on <draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastre= route>
(http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-= gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/).

The working group last call ends on T= uesday, November 17. Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.

As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed thi= s document and
believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and = important, even from authors.

Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft.

Thanks,
Pavan (and Lou)

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--001a114662f6ef6f6e0523859edb-- From nobody Mon Nov 2 07:45:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4472D1B48BE for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:45:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zHNe8Fj2Nhbx for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87D511B48BC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:45:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3708; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446479123; x=1447688723; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=wIhm0lgfvUPv2EpRDRfRoxj6NvuIEL3v+7G0GsuPNt8=; b=aTTw93yFYsapWvuz5jqypHuGnmw15ErzqkM00SGdokBzVIT3y++Ojqj5 Pr7QLmfR473cE5MQ1e4gOlUevbW1ZzWZhaU8wFVSXc8pKD1dM/wTW/mKm rwNCyexCxtQSjz10NyGTTJYk/x3dbL9SLEpU1JbqMLng/S1r1B9+inVNv U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0D3AQBehDdW/4wNJK1egztTbwauHpEhAQ2BWhcBCYV4AoE1OBQBAQEBAQEBgQqENgEBBAEBAWsbAgEIBDsHIQYLFBECBAESiBsDEg28bw2EQgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARiGd4IQgm6CU4VZgRQFlkMBhRyGEoF2gVlIg3eOUYNfg3EBEQ4BAUKEBHKEdwGBBgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,234,1444694400"; d="scan'208,217";a="204210483" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2015 15:45:22 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-019.cisco.com (xch-rcd-019.cisco.com [173.37.102.29]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA2FjMDR021235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:45:22 GMT Received: from xch-aln-019.cisco.com (173.36.7.29) by XCH-RCD-019.cisco.com (173.37.102.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:45:22 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-019.cisco.com ([173.36.7.29]) by XCH-ALN-019.cisco.com ([173.36.7.29]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:45:22 -0600 From: "Mike Taillon (mtaillon)" To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute Thread-Index: AQHRENiMKm5BjWr1/Uegepd7BI9L0Z6JTfuA Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:45:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.212.178] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CF68A82CF0904A60A40D8DFA28486855ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 15:45:25 -0000 --_000_CF68A82CF0904A60A40D8DFA28486855ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi As co-author, I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publi= cation. Thanks, -mike On Oct 27, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram > wrote: All, This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/). The working group last call ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send your = comments to the TEAS mailing list. As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this documen= t and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and impor= tant, even from authors. Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. Thanks, Pavan (and Lou) _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_CF68A82CF0904A60A40D8DFA28486855ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi

As co-author, I've reviewed this document and believe it is= ready for publication.

Thanks,
-mike

On Oct 27, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

All,
This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on <draft-ietf= -teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute>
(http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-l= sp-fastreroute/).

The working group last call= ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing = list.

As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this do= cument and
believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and = important, even from authors.

Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft.

Thanks,
Pavan (and Lou)
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--_000_CF68A82CF0904A60A40D8DFA28486855ciscocom_-- From nobody Mon Nov 2 11:00:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF4E1ACEDC for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:00:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z-8a5Uf1pnwt for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BCC11ACEB1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:00:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3946; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446490851; x=1447700451; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=AFKL0WgKxJa1c4d1yhMW+SnzQKJte0N6o+qVbG0IISE=; b=TCew1yOu2SCXRKYR54PiHim6HgH4mP8xjXHI9uNuMnft5BfxeEXArhSa BvNZ08Vo3UoBFbaevctBOI+3NO3PiowUE/sqQIjxSK5AGU/FARkGgZhVa x/fpxORqpIIkC29oL5ApdVtg5Ug857EOGI9KKTI6JBbRLzxRdP4Nh4JAa U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0D2AQDesTdW/5BdJa1egm5NU28Grh6RIQENgVohhXgCgTs4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ1AQEBBG4bAgEIBA0DAQIoByERFAkIAgQBEogbAxINvHoNhD0BAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBARyGd4R+glOCK4RCBY1UiG8BhRyGEoF2gVlIg3eOUYNfg3EBEQ4BAUKEBHKEd4EHAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,236,1444694400"; d="scan'208,217";a="204260904" Received: from rcdn-core-8.cisco.com ([173.37.93.144]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Nov 2015 19:00:50 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (xch-rtp-016.cisco.com [64.101.220.156]) by rcdn-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA2J0nTs002984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:00:50 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com (64.101.220.158) by XCH-RTP-016.cisco.com (64.101.220.156) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:49 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) by XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:00:49 -0500 From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute Thread-Index: AQHRENiMGISF7E4MD0eiUqkoj2q+156JH9kA Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:00:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.6.141106 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.89.14.140] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D25D1CFA1535EDzaliciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:00:53 -0000 --_000_D25D1CFA1535EDzaliciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, Chairs, As a co-author, I have reviewed this document and believe it is ready for p= ublication. Thanks Regards ... Zafar From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 11:57 AM To: "teas@ietf.org" > Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute All, This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/). The working group last call ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send your = comments to the TEAS mailing list. As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this documen= t and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and impor= tant, even from authors. Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. Thanks, Pavan (and Lou) --_000_D25D1CFA1535EDzaliciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <743DD7CC0039AC4BBFBA5BE43B1E59B8@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG, Chairs,

As a co-author, I have reviewed this document and believe it is ready = for publication.

Thanks

Regards … Zafar

From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at = 11:57 AM
To: "teas@ietf.org" <teas@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on dra= ft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute

All,
This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on <draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastre= route>
(http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastrero= ute/).

The working group last call ends on T= uesday, November 17. Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.

As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this do= cument and
believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and = important, even from authors.

Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft.

Thanks,
Pavan (and Lou)
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Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151103053742.19161.21153.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:37:42 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:53:49 -0800 Cc: George Swallow , John Drake , Deborah Brungard , Multiprotocol Label Switching Discussion List , Alia Atlas , itu-t-liaison@iab.org, Common Control and Measurement Plane Discussion List , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Discussion List , Scott Mansfield , Kam.Lam@alcatel-lucent.com, hiroshi.ota@itu.int, Ross Callon , Alvaro Retana , Lou Berger , Fatai Zhang , Daniele Ceccarelli , Loa Andersson Subject: [Teas] New Liaison Statement, "LS on protocol-specific data modelling work" X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 05:37:42 -0000 Title: LS on protocol-specific data modelling work Submission Date: 2015-11-02 URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1436/ From: (Hiroshi Ota ) To: (vbeeram@juniper.net, Lou Berger ,Loa Andersson ,George Swallow ,Ross Callon ,Daniele Ceccarelli ,Fatai Zhang ) Cc: Response Contacts: hiroshi.ota@itu.int Technical Contacts: Purpose: For information Body: We would like to inform you that ITU-T Q14/15 has initiated work on protocol-specific data modelling for the management of transport specific technologies, such as OTN, Carrier Ethernet and MPLS-TP. These protocol-specific data models will be developed based on the protocol-neutral UML models that are specified by Q14/15, including ITU-T G.7711/Y.1702 (generic information model), ITU-T G.874.1 for OTN, ITU-T G.8052/Y.1346 for Carrier Ethernet, and ITU-T G.8152/Y.1375 (draft) for MPLS-TP. During the October 2015 Q14/15 interim meeting, we received a contribution for a YANG data model proposal for Ethernet Ring Protection (ERP) management. The ERP YANG data model will be progressed based on the relevant ITU-T Recommendations, including ITU-T G.8032/Y.1344 for ERP functional requirement, ITU-T G.8021/Y.1341 for Ethernet equipment functional specification, ITU-T G.8051/Y.1345 for Carrier Ethernet management requirement, and ITU-T G.8052/Y.1346 Carrier Ethernet protocol-neutral information model. We will keep you informed on the progress of this ERP YANG modelling work. Attachments: SG15-LS292_WP3-427AnnF.pdf https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2015-11-02-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-ccamp-netmod-teas-ls-on-protocol-specific-data-modelling-work-attachment-1.pdf From nobody Tue Nov 3 13:05:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFD31A86F7 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:05:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gowWNB6ln7hz for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C34801A01A2 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:05:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4153; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446584732; x=1447794332; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=GdyODI83xwN/md7ZXgOGH/Mi02kk9MTw+p0fuij94j4=; b=SB43Pftx10QhRVER+cADMzUjdHmSHRiO7fzHJTYZLwC4kYh10MSyzGJn mry6qRnSWzvuu8y/LycQ7VmxEPTfUr/sNNTSIvQL+N9SsQdsxdJI1Xacq jKpel41od1gf91M78+f92fp5lI/oNFKPgVaHvuYVipPX6IAPn6f4bcTUH 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AWAgDTIDlW/5JdJa1egm5NU28GriOPGgENgV0hhXICgUI4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ1AQEBBG4bAgEIBA0DAQIoByERFAkIAgQBEogZAxINvVINhC4BAQEBAQEEAQEBAQEBARyGVYR+glOCKIQ9BZZGAYUchhGBdIFaSIN3jlODYINxAREOAQFChARyhC2BBwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,240,1444694400"; d="scan'208,217";a="204569900" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2015 21:05:32 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (xch-rtp-001.cisco.com [64.101.220.141]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA3L5Vck016976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:05:31 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com (64.101.220.141) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:05:31 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) by XCH-RTP-001.cisco.com ([64.101.220.141]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 16:05:31 -0500 From: "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute Thread-Index: AQHRENiMbX4xgFnIY0Kb6WvgM3UM6J6Lv72A Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 21:05:30 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.243.240] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D25F508C4D7CBtsaadciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 21:05:34 -0000 --_000_D25F508C4D7CBtsaadciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As co-author, I've reviewed the document and I believe it is ready for publ= ication. Regards, Tarek From: Teas > on behalf = of Vishnu Pavan Beeram = > Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:57 AM To: "teas@ietf.org" > Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute All, This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/). The working group last call ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send your = comments to the TEAS mailing list. As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this documen= t and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and impor= tant, even from authors. Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. Thanks, Pavan (and Lou) --_000_D25F508C4D7CBtsaadciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <6D47D69C9ACAE6419272F3E8322D1632@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As co-author, I've= reviewed the document and I believe it is ready for publication.

Regards,
Tarek

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Vishnu Pava= n Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com= >
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 a= t 1:57 AM
To: "teas@ietf.org" <teas@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call on dra= ft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute

All,
This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps w= ith the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on <draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastre= route>
(http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastrero= ute/).

The working group last call ends on T= uesday, November 17. Please send your comments to the TEAS mailing list.

As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this do= cument and
believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and = important, even from authors.

Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft.

Thanks,
Pavan (and Lou)
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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR0501MB1714; H:BLUPR0501MB1715.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:23 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 Nov 2015 20:52:27.0853 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR0501MB1714 Archived-At: Cc: "mpls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teas] Questions and comments on draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-egress-protection-01.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 20:52:31 -0000 Hi Huaimo, Did not realize this has been moved to teas, which I did not follow. I see there have been some updates to the draft but I have not got a chance= to review to see if my original concerns are addressed. I will try to review this when I get a chance. Jeffrey > -----Original Message----- > From: Huaimo Chen [mailto:huaimo.chen@huawei.com] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:37 PM > To: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Questions and comments on draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-egress- > protection-01.txt >=20 > Hi Jeffrey, >=20 > Thanks for your comments! > My answers/explanations are inline below. >=20 > Best Regards, > Huaimo > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang [mailto:zzhang@juniper.net] > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:13 AM > To: Huaimo Chen > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Questions and comments on draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-egress- > protection-01.txt >=20 > Huaimo, >=20 > ... snipped ... >=20 > > My point is that, what's proposed in this draft can't really work, > > because while the backup can learn the label relayed by the PLR, it > > still does not know what to do with it. Until you have a separate > > document to spell out that separate mechanism, there is no point for > > this spec to relay the label. > > > > Huaimo: It seems that the alternative option proposed may work. The UA > > label with the forwarding information in TLV may be relayed to the > > backup egress. RSVP on the backup egress can pass the UA label with > > the information to a separated component handling the UA label. In > > fact, RSVP just relays the UA label and related information. The > > processing on UA label is done by the separated component outside of > RSVP. >=20 > Currently the draft does not specify that forwarding information is > relayed to the backup egress. I don't see how the backup egress know what > to do when it receives the packets w/o additional signaling. If you do > specify the mechanisms and procedures in a separate spec on how that can > be done, then it's fine; but until you do so, it should not be mentioned > here. Chances are that, once you have a separate mechanism, you may not > need the PLT to relay any more. >=20 > Huaimo: It seems that TLVs under the UA label are mentioned in the draft. > They may contain the forwarding information, which may be opaque to RSVP. >=20 > > It's the same amount of information configured, either all on the > > ingress PE or separated on all egress PEs. The latter will have much > > lower signaling head. > > > > Huaimo: It seems that there are more configurations. For example, we > > may need to configure one-to-one protection or facility protection for > > protecting the egresses of a P2MP LSP on every egress of the P2MP LSP > > if we limit egress protection configuration to the egresses >=20 > The draft currently signals pairs of primary/egress from the ingress. Tha= t > means configuration is needed for each egress anyway (though it's on > ingress). If you do the configuration on egress, it's still the same > amount, and you spare the transit routers from having to process the extr= a > signaling. >=20 > Jeffrey From nobody Wed Nov 4 15:12:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 064A51B3782 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:12:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjfdXKDATlOP for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB7801B3787 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 15:12:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=20743; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446678760; x=1447888360; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=en9Wbmkk+ti4+3OlasjjK1SnjK3DlfCnsMP+y1IvcBE=; b=X8rnmlxzVJILH6tD30q9OV1E5jQfiWAS11ga8GbpxF93XLMt0FJEx0eW sml1nF8DX5V4M9pWYWl35KzNpA/os6Qi/Kxl/eMYn2zkYH77VH8147A7X jaAQsYixQS8UR+5mH1X3MbtJ9F9aBh3rAcRqIEsdB06mIhdoyo0HMGz6A I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AYAgAfkDpW/4sNJK1UCoM7gUi9bQENgV6DPoJUgUA4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ4BCcTDTISAT5CJgEEDg0TiBO2RotnAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAR2GVIkfD4UIBZJng2EBe4UKggeFD4Fhh2STAgEfAQFChASFHwGBBgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,245,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="42137748" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Nov 2015 23:12:39 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (xch-aln-002.cisco.com [173.36.7.12]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA4NCdwX024570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 23:12:39 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:12:38 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:12:39 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute Thread-Index: AdEXNMWOLfVuDR+0RiCWS6Gmn2QmcA== Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 23:12:39 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.125] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Matt Hartley \(mhartley\)" Subject: [Teas] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 23:12:45 -0000 All, Some comments on this. In general: post -> after. It's just easier to read (IMO :) You don't need to expand MP every time you use it. I lost count of the numb= er of places you've done this. The document talks about PSC LSPs. Presumably it doesn't apply to LSPs with= any other switching capability, but it might be a good idea to explicitly = say so (maybe around section 3, where you're setting out other things this = document doesn't apply to). Section 4.1 Does RFC 4090 specify that the upstream label MUST be added to = the Path RRO? If not, this draft needs to. Section 4.2: Similarly, does 4561 specify that the node-id MUST be added? A= gain, this draft relies on it. Does this draft work on the assumption that the backup tunnel goes in the s= ame direction as the primary LSP that it protects (i.e. that the backup's h= ead is at the upstream PLR rather than the downstream PLR)? I get the feeli= ng it does (more on this later) but it's not explicitly stated anywhere. If= this is the case, it means that perfectly good backup tunnels that happen = to be running in the wrong direction can't be used. 4.4.1: This means that a Path message is going to be regenerated every time= there's a backup assignment. Given that backup assignments are generally d= one during Resv processing, this means that if every hop can be a PLR, you'= re going to get a *lot* of updated Path messages while the LSP is being est= ablished. Is this a problem? Can it be mitigated if so? It would be good to= see some discussion of this. 4.4.1: this doesn't say that a downstream MP needs to examine the entire Pa= th RRO and look at all BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT objects; it probably should do. It= should probably also say that the choice of backup tunnel (if multiple cho= ices exist) is discussed in section 4.4.2. As written, the draft prevents an upstream backup being assigned unless tha= t backup is also assigned in the downstream direction (4.4.1). The reverse,= however, does not apply; when a downstream PLR assigns a backup, there's n= o guarantee that this backup will also be used for upstream traffic. Is thi= s a problem? And if not, why shouldn't an upstream PLR be permitted to assi= gn an upstream backup in its own initiative if it wants to? Section 4.4.2 s= eems quietly resigned to the fact that some links may be unprotected in the= reverse direction. Is this inevitable? 4.4.3: is the data present in the BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject sufficient to= uniquely identify the backup tunnel? I see two issues here. First, the tunnel-id alone is sufficient only if the source and destination= are already known from the RRO, and that's only possible if we assume the = source is the node that inserted the BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject and the de= stination is the processing MP. As mentioned earlier, a backup tunnel origi= nating at the MP could also do the job (these are bidirectional tunnels, af= ter all) but this is precluded at the moment. I think this limitation needs= to be justified if you wish to impose it. Second: even if we only allow backups to originate on the downstream PLR, d= o we also need the extended tunnel id as an additional discriminator? Section 5 seems to be based on the assumption that all link failures are bi= directional. Is this reasonable? In particular, what if a link failure is o= nly detected by the upstream PLR? 5.1, at the end: does the upstream PLR have to wait until it receives Path = state over the bypass tunnel before redirecting Resv state onto the bypass,= or can it redirect Resv state as soon as it detects a failure? It strikes = me that the latter might be a good idea, especially if unidirectional failu= res are a possibility. 6.2: Under what circumstances could the PRR fail to find a reverse bypass t= unnel? Given that it became a PRR because it was already a MP, doesn't it a= lways have a suitable bypass? If it didn't, it would be a MP... 6.2: this example focuses on what R3 and R5 are doing. Could you also descr= ibe the expected behavior of R2 and R4? Finally... some nits/readability suggestions. I've pasted significant chunk= s of the draft below with my suggested changes inline: look for 'MRH'. Cheers Matt Abstract This document defines Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling extensions to support Fast Reroute (FRR) of Packet Switched Capable (PSC) Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). These signaling extensions allow the coordination of bidirectional bypass tunnel MRH: ...coordination of a bidirectional... assignment protecting a common facility in both forward and reverse directions of a co-routed bidirectional LSP. In addition, these extensions enable the re-direction of bidirectional traffic and signaling onto bypass tunnels that ensure co-routedness of data and signaling paths in the forward and reverse directions after FRR to avoid RSVP soft-state timeout. (snip) 1. Introduction Packet Switched Capable (PSC) Traffic Engineering (TE) tunnels are signaled using Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling procedures specified in [RFC3473] for both unidirectional and bidirectional LSPs. Fast Reroute (FRR) [RFC4090] has been widely deployed in the packet TE networks today and is preferred for TE MRH: preferred -> desirable. 'preferred' implies it exists already, and if = that were the case you wouldn't need this draft :) GMPLS tunnels. Using FRR methods also allows to leverage existing MRH: ...Using FRR procedures also allows the leveraging of... (or maybe ...= re-use of...) mechanisms for failure detection and restoration in the deployed networks. MRH: ...in deployed networks. FRR procedures defined in [RFC4090] describe the behavior of the MRH: The FRR procedures... Point of Local Repair (PLR) to reroute traffic and signaling onto the bypass tunnel in the event of a failure for unidirectional LSPs. These procedures are applicable to unidirectional protected LSPs signaled using either RSVP-TE [RFC3209] or GMPLS procedures [RFC3473], however don't address issues that arise when employing FRR MRH: ...[RFC3473], but they do not address... for bidirectional co-routed GMPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs). When bidirectional bypass tunnels are used to locally protect bidirectional co-routed GMPLS LSPs, the upstream and downstream PLRs may independently assign different bidirectional bypass tunnels in the forward and reverse directions. There is no mechanism in FRR MRH: ...in the FRR procedures... procedures defined in [RFC4090] to coordinate the bidirectional bypass tunnel selection between the downstream and upstream PLRs. When using FRR procedures with bidirectional co-routed GMPLS LSPs, it is possible in some cases (e.g. when using node protection bypass tunnels post a link failure event and when RSVP signaling is sent in-fiber and in-band with data), the RSVP signaling refreshes may stop reaching some nodes along the primary bidirectional LSP path after the PLRs complete rerouting traffic and signaling onto the bypass tunnels. MRH: maybe replace this lot with: When using FRR procedures with bidirectional co-routed GMPLS LSPs, it is po= ssible in some cases for the RSVP signaling refreshes to stop reaching some= nodes along the primary LSP path after the PLRs finish rerouting signaling= onto the bypass tunnels. This may occur when using node protection bypass = tunnels after a link failure event and when RSVP signaling is sent in-fiber= and in-band with data. This is caused by the asymmetry of paths that may be taken by the bidirectional LSP's signaling in the forward and reverse directions after FRR reroute. In such cases, the RSVP soft-state timeout eventually causes the protected bidirectional LSP to be MRH: ...timeout causes... destroyed, and consequently impacts protected traffic flow after FRR. MRH: ...destroyed, with subsequent traffic loss after FRR. Protection State Coordination Protocol [RFC6378] is applicable to FRR [RFC4090] for local protection of bidirectional co-routed LSPs in order to minimize traffic disruptions in both directions. However, this does not address the above mentioned problem of RSVP soft-state timeout in control plane. This document proposes solutions to the above mentioned problems by providing mechanisms in the control plane to complement FRR MRH: ...complement the FRR procedures... procedures of [RFC4090] in order to maintain the RSVP soft-state for bidirectional co-routed protected GMPLS LSPs and achieve symmetry in the paths followed by the traffic and signaling in the forward and reverse directions post FRR. The document further extends RSVP signaling so that the bidirectional bypass tunnel selected by the upstream PLR matches the one selected by the downstream PLR node for a bidirectional co-routed LSP. Unless otherwise specified in this document, fast reroute procedures MRH: ...document, the FRR procedures... defined in [RFC4090] are not modified for GMPLS signaled tunnels. (snip) 3. Fast Reroute For Unidirectional GMPLS LSPs FRR procedures defined in [RFC4090] are applicable to unidirectional MRH: The FRR procedures... protected LSPs signaled using either RSVP-TE or GMPLS procedures and are not modified by the extensions defined in this document. These FRR procedures also apply to bidirectional associated GMPLS LSPs where two unidirectional GMPLS LSPs are bound together by using association signaling [RFC7551]. 4. Bypass Tunnel Assignment for Bidirectional GMPLS LSPs This section describes signaling procedures for bidirectional bypass tunnel assignment for GMPLS signaled PSC bidirectional co-routed TE LSPs. 4.1. Merge Point Labels To correctly reroute data traffic over a node protection bypass tunnel, the downstream and upstream PLRs have to know, in advance, the downstream and upstream Merge Point (MP) labels so that data in the forward and reverse directions can be tunneled through the bypass tunnel post FRR respectively. MRH: .... can be redirected through the bypass tunnel after FRR. [RFC4090] defines procedures for the downstream PLR to obtain the protected LSP's downstream MP label from recorded labels in the RRO of the RSVP Resv message received at the downstream PLR. To obtain the upstream MP label, existing methods [RFC4090] to record MRH: ...label, the procedures defined in [RFC4090] to record the upstream..= . upstream MP label are used in the RRO of the RSVP Path message. The upstream PLR can obtain the upstream MP label from the recorded label in the RRO of the received RSVP Path message. 4.2. Merge Point Addresses To correctly assign a bidirectional bypass tunnel, the downstream and upstream PLRs have to know, in advance, the downstream and upstream Merge Point (MP) addresses. [RFC4561] defines procedures for the PLR to obtain the protected LSP's merge point address in multi-domain routing networks where a domain is defined as an Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) area or an Autonomous System (AS). [RFC4561] defines procedures for the downstream PLR to obtain the protected LSP's downstream merge point address from the recorded node-IDs in the RRO of the RSVP Resv message received at the downstream PLR. MRH: these two paragraphs repeat a lot of stuff. Merge them? To obtain the upstream MP address, existing methods [RFC4561] to MRH: ...address, the procedures specified in [RFC4561] to... record upstream MP node-ID are used in the RRO of the RSVP Path message. The upstream PLR can obtain the upstream MP address from the recorded node-IDs in the RRO of the received RSVP Path message. 4.3. RRO IPv4/IPv6 Subobject Flags RRO IPv4/IPv6 subobject flags are defined in [RFC4090], Section 4.4 and are applicable to the FRR procedure for the bidirectional GMPLS MRH: ...for bidirectional... tunnels. [RFC4090] defined procedure is used by the downstream PLR MRH: The procedure defined in [RFC4090] is used... independently to signal the Ipv4/IPv6 subobject flags in the RRO of MRH: Ipv4 -> IPv4 the RSVP Path message. Similarly, this procedure is used by the upstream PLR independently to signal the IPv4/IPv6 subobject flags in the RRO of the RSVP Resv message. 4.4. Bypass Tunnel Assignment Co-ordination This document defines signaling procedure and a new BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT MRH: procedure -> procedures subobject in RSVP RECORD_ROUTE object used to co-ordinate the MRH: ...in the RSVP RECORD_ROUTE object... bidirectional bypass tunnel selection between the downstream and upstream PLRs. 4.4.1. Bypass Tunnel Assignment Signaling Procedure (snip) The upstream PLR (downstream MP) that detects a BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject, whose bypass tunnel and the node-ID subobject when used as a "bypass tunnel source" terminates locally, assigns the matching bidirectional bypass tunnel in the reverse direction, and forwards the RSVP Path message downstream. Otherwise, the bypass tunnel assignment subobject is simply forwarded downstream along in the RSVP Path message. MRH: This paragraph is a bit garbled. Can you rewrite to make it clearer? Bypass assignment co-ordination procedure described above can be used MRH: The bypass assignment... for both one-to-one backup described in Section 3.1 of [RFC4090] and facility backup described in Section 3.2 of [RFC4090]. 4.4.2. Bypass Tunnel Assignment Policy In the case of upstream PLR receiving multiple BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobjects from multiple downstream PLRs, the decision of selecting a bypass tunnel in the reverse direction can be based on a local policy, for example, prefer link protection versus node protection bypass tunnel, or prefer the most upstream versus least upstream node protection bypass tunnel. MRH: "the selection of a bypass tunnel in the reverse direction can be base= d on local policy. Examples of such a policy could be to prefer link protec= tion over node protection, or to prefer the bypass tunnel to the furthest u= pstream node." However, it is recommended that nodes MRH: recommended -> RECOMMENDED? Or if you don't mean to use 2119 language = here, could you reword this? It's ambiguous as it stands. along the LSP path employ identical policy for bypass tunnel assignment. When different policies are used for bypass tunnel assignment on the LSP path, it may result in some links in the reverse direction not assigned bypass protection as shown in examples below. As shown in Example 1, node A assigns a node protection bypass tunnel in the forward direction but node C does not assign a node protection bypass tunnel in the reverse direction for a protected bidirectional GMPLS LSP. Both nodes B and C assign a link protection bypass tunnel. As a result, there is no fast reroute protection available in the reverse direction for link A-B for this LSP. +------->>------+ / +->>-+ \ / / \ \ / / \ \ A -------- B --------- C \ / \ / +-<<-+ Example 1: An example of different bypass assignment policy MRH: add an arrow to indicate the direction of the ABC LSP. Same in example= 2 below. (snip) 4.4.3. BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT Subobject The BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject is used to inform the MP of the MRH: ...inform the downstream MP... bypass tunnel being assigned by the PLR. This can be used to coordinate the bypass tunnel assignment for the protected LSP by the downstream and upstream PLRs in the forward and reverse directions respectively prior or post the failure occurrence. This subobject SHOULD only be inserted into the RSVP Path message by the downstream PLR and MUST NOT be changed by downstream LSRs. MRH: maybe... "This subobject SHOULD be inserted into the Path RRO by the d= ownstream PLR. It SHOULD NOT be inserted into an RRO by a node which is not= a downstream PLR. It MUST NOT be changed by downstream LSRs and MUST NOT b= e added to a Resv RRO." The BYPASS_ASSIGNMENT subobject in RRO has the following format: 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Type | Length | Bypass Tunnel ID | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Type Downstream Bypass Assignment. MRH: maybe mention that the value is TBD pending IANA assignment? (snip) 5. Link Protection Bypass Tunnels for Bidirectional GMPLS LSPs When a bidirectional link protection bypass tunnel is used, after a link failure, downstream PLR reroutes RSVP Path and traffic over MRH: failure... the downstream PLR reroutes traffic and RSVP messages over = the bypass tunnel using the procedures defined in... bypass tunnel using procedures defined in [RFC4090]. Upstream PLR may reroute traffic and RSVP Resv upon detecting the link failure or upon receiving RSVP Path message over a bidirectional bypass tunnel. MRH: Upstream PLR behavior is unclear here. I assume you mean that it MAY u= se whichever trigger (Path message or link-down) it gets first? You should = probably say that it MUST do one or the other. This allows both traffic and RSVP signaling to flow on symmetric paths in the forward and reverse directions of a bidirectional tunnel. (snip) Consider the Traffic Engineered (TE) network shown in Figure 1. Assume every link in the network is protected with a link protection bypass tunnel (e.g. bypass tunnel T3). For the protected bidirectional co-routed LSP whose (active) head-end is on router R1 and (passive) tail-end is on router R5, each traversed router (a potential PLR) assigns a link protection bidirectional co-routed bypass tunnel. MRH: are active and passive industry-standard terms? I'd have thought using= head and tail would suffice. (snip) 6. Node Protection Bypass Tunnels for Bidirectional GMPLS LSPs (snip) Consider the Traffic Engineered (TE) network shown in Figure 2. Assume every link in the network is protected with a node protection bypass tunnel. For the protected bidirectional co-routed LSP whose (active) head-end is on router R1 and (passive) tail-end is on router R6, each traversed router (a potential PLR) assigns a node protection bidirectional co-routed bypass tunnel. MRH: Again, are active and passive industry-standard terms? (snip) 6.2. Behavior Post Link Failure To Re-coroute The downstream Merge Point (MP) R5 that receives rerouted protected LSP RSVP Path message through the bypass tunnel, in addition to the regular MP processing defined in [RFC4090], gets promoted to a Point of Remote Repair (PRR role) and performs the following actions to re-coroute signaling and data traffic over the same path in both directions: o Finds the bypass tunnel in the reverse direction that terminates on the Downstream PLR R3. Note: the Downstream PLR R3's address is extracted from the "IPV4 tunnel sender address" in the SENDER_TEMPLATE object. MRH: bypass tunnel's SENDER_TEMPLATE (snip) If downstream MP R5 receives multiple RSVP Path messages through multiple bypass tunnels (e.g. as a result of multiple failures), the PRR SHOULD identify a bypass tunnel that terminates on the farthest downstream PLR along the protected LSP path (closest to the primary bidirectional tunnel head-end) and activate the reroute procedures mentioned above. MRH: Don't you mean the furthest *upstream* PLR? 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We think we heard that there is general interest in working on this problem in the WG. (With some opposed.) More so, that the group is more interested in focusing on a limited, preferably single, approach rather than cataloging all possible approaches. 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These notes are also available, and editable, via the URL: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-teas Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link above. Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG) before being finalized. Please limit changes to what actually transpired in the meeting. Session audio is available at http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf94/ietf94-room301-20151104-0900.mp3 If you have a question or want to discuss any topics raised in the session, please feel free to do so on the list, but please do so with an appropriate Subject line. Thank you! Lou and Pavan IETF 94 - TEAS Agenda > TEAS Agenda For IETF 94 > Version: Nov 03, 2015 > > Thursday, November 5th, 2015 > 0900 - 11:30 - Thursday Morning Session I > Room: 301 > Presentation Start Time Duration Information > 0 9:00 5 Title: Administrivia & WG Status > Draft: > Presenter: Chairs > 1 9:05 5 Title: WG Draft updates > Draft: Many > Presenter: Chairs 2 drafts in RFC Ed Q 2 drafts with IESG 1 draft in WGLC 4 liaisons BBF liaison requires response by 8 Nov; detailed review required. CCAMP is coordinating the response. The working groups is reminded to use the mailing list to discuss issues, not just to report back on the resolution of issues. WG consensus is determined on the mailing list. Wiki page is now available, for experts to share their view point. Cyril: SRLG collection draft: authors will address comments received and welcomes new comments. Lou: RSVP egress protection draft authors are asking for last call - it is a good time to review this draft. > 2 9:10 10 Title: Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Ingress Local Protection > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection-04 > Presenter: Huaimo Chen 8 people support relay-message method. 4 people support proxy-ingress method. Each group of supporters are saying that their preferred method is simpler. Lou Berger: the selction between the two options was obtained by voting? (Yes) Simple voting really isn't the same as consensus. Please bring the technical tradeoffs to the mailing list and let's try to discuss and reach consensus there. If you (authors) think it would be helpful we can have a conference call (interim) to discuss the more details. > 3 9:20 15 Title: TE Topology Model > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo > Presenter: Xufeng Liu Lou Berger: Please move (advanced) scheduling to its own document Xufeng Liu: We have to decide which WG Lou Berger: it's fine to start in teas, but please seperate it Lou Berger: YANG model align to the I2RS draft will be done in their WG? Is it finished in teas? Xufeng Liu: Almost, I2RS draft will be updated. Xufeng: L3 topology model will have a reference to the TE topology model. Alex: We must be careful to avoid circular dependencies between these two models. Lou: It's good that you are working together to resolve this; if there is a coordination issue between WGs then please raise with chairs; please discuss technical issues on the mailing lists. > 4 9:35 15 Title: RSVP and TE Yang models > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te > Presenter: Tarek Saad Ina: Operators want to turn MPLS on explicitly on interfaces. Lou: The model allows MPLS and RSVP to be enabled independently. Question to Ina: is that what you wanted? Ina: We wanted to see if we could get rid of the need to enable them independently but we could not find a way to do that. Pawel: We use unnumbered interfaces a lot, this model has to cover them. Lou: (To Tarek) It's not always clear which RFCs you are mapping back to and which you are supporting. It is important for implementers to know this. Lou: I think it's time to pull out the PSC specific pieces from this document. The split pieces can start as a -00 working group document as they are being split out from a WG doument. > 5 9:50 10 Title: OpenConfig MPLS Model (TE Aspects) > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model > Presenter: Ina Minei Anees: Find these models on github.com/openconfig/public. > 6 10:00 10 Title: Usage of IM for network topology to support TE Topology YANG Module Development > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lam-teas-usage-info-model-net-topology > Presenter: Scott Mansfield Lou Berger: working with information models is appreciated. Your intent is to build an information model that informs the data models that we are working on, correct? (Scott, yes) In which case, please could you bring any gaps that you find to the mailing list? Scott: Yes, will bring that back to the authors. Lou Berger: for Appendix A, confused about why a Data model is presented. Scott: it demonstrates how you can generate a data model if you already have a info model, an example for guideline. Scott: Appendix A is supposed to be an example; it is intended to guide you to what you are building. Lou: a pointer to this information may be better; it is confusing to find a data model in an information model document. Lou: It would also be good to provide the same sort of feedback to CCAMP on their technology-specific models. > 7 10:10 10 Title: Requirements for Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-actn-requirements > Presenter: Young Lee Pavan: is there any ACTN work that need to change TEAS charter? Young: We don't think it's going to change the charter. > 8 10:20 10 Title: Framework for Abstraction and Control of Transport Networks > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-teas-actn-framework > Presenter: Daniele Ceccarelli Giovanni: What is the relationship between this draft and the te-interconnection draft? Lou Berger: that is already clarified, as Adrian: bring some terminology from te-interconnection into ACTN work to avoid inconsistency. Young Lee: would like to collaborate on terminology level. Young: we did not invent any new terminology, so if there is a conflict in usage then we need to elaborate on that. Lou: See RFC 7426 - you may wish to reuse that terminology, that is what the IETF is using. Lou: is everything in the framework controller-based? Daniele: Yes - ACTN is between controllers, not between controllers and NE Lou: In TEAS we want to make sure that the number of layers is arbitrary Daniele: This is OK, stacking of layers is allowed. > 9 10:30 10 Title: Information Model for Abstraction and Control of TE Networks (ACTN) > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leebelotti-teas-actn-info > Presenter: Sergio Belotti Lou: When you talked about connectivity topology there seems to be overlap with Scott's presentation. It would be good if you could work together on that. > 10 10:40 10 Title: Architecture for Scheduled Use of Resources > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-teas-scheduled-resources > Presenter: Adrian Farrel Ken: Are future bookings always first come first serveed or are there other prioritizations? Adrian: This is a question of what policy do you want to implement on your servce which is beyond our scope. Robin: We have proposed a similar time-based approach for BGP flowspec. ??? I think there should be some framework for synchronizing the time-based request with the actual service flow. > 11 10:50 10 Title: Framework for Temporal Tunnel Services > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas-frmwk-tts > Presenter: Huaimo Chen Lou: it seems that this documents and the preceding document both talk about the same problem space. Is the WG interested in working on this problem? Daniele: I am really interested in this work, but what is the scope? Are we interested only in networks with RSVP-TE? Lou: No, we are interested in all TE networks. We want to discuss architecture for now, nor solutions. Gert: I have never seen a large scale TE signaling deployment. So I do not have much interest in seeing these drafts. Lou: This discussion has come up often over many years, but we have not got to the point where enough people are prepared to work on it. Lou: Who is interested in working on this? Raise your hands. (About 15 people.) Lou: Now who does not want to work on it? Raise your hands. (About 6-8 people.) OK, somewhat more people want to work on it than don't. Lou: WG please go and read this draft and comment, let's see if there is value on continue doing this. Himanshu: I would prefer to ask who wants to work on the distributed model? Adrian: Daniele: prefer to follow a single model. > 12 11:00 10 Title: Architecture and Requirement for Distribution of Link-State and TE Information via PCEP > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leedhody-teas-pcep-ls > Presenter: Dhruv Dhody Lou Berger: Any architecture changes? Lou: Most of this is basic architecture, and most of it is existing architecture. So having a discussion of the basic architecture in a protocol-agnostic way is OK for clarification, but we should focus only on the architectural aspects. Dhruv: We are not trying to introduce a new architectural concept. We are trying to assess the impact and applicability to use a new protocol. Dhruv: Making this document agnostic of the protocol destroys the value of the document. The whole purpose is to explore the applicability of using PCEP for this. Sergio: To provide remote information you need to have IGP in the network, so what is the advtangtage of using PCEP as well? Dhruv: > 13 11:10 10 Title: PCE as a Central Controller (PCECC) > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhao-pce-central-controller-user-cases > Presenter: Dhruv Dhody/Quintin Zhao Lou: How many have read this document? (Quite a few) Lou: informational or standard track? Dhruv: there are two drafts related, informational for use case one (presented here), and experimental for the protocol extension (in PCE working group). Lou: Who thinks this is a good idea? (Almost the same) Lou: Who thinks we should not work on this (One or two) Sergio: Not a bad idea, but PCE should be a part of the controller, not the controller itself. > 14 11:20 10 Title: ISIS Extensions in Support of Inter-AS MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas-rfc5316bis > Presenter: Mach Chen Les Ginsberg: Does this draft belong in ISIS WG or here? Lou: The original RFC was done at the same time as the OSPF version - does the OSPF document suffer the same flaws as RFC 5316? Mach: No, the problems are only for IS-IS. 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Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:18:56 +0100 To: Daniele Ceccarelli References: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812ACAAA7@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> From: Julien Meuric Organization: Orange Message-ID: <5641C490.6010708@orange.com> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 11:18:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812ACAAA7@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "'ccamp@ietf.org'" , "pce@ietf.org" , TEAS WG Subject: Re: [Teas] [Pce] Initial version for liaison text: New Liaison Statement, "Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces" X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:19:01 -0000 Hi Daniele,

I am sorry, but:
- the received document is not clear to me and deserves clarification to be properly commented;
- I am strongly surprised by the deep change with respect to the previous version of the response shared before;
- the proposed response does not match the scope of the liaised document; e.g., quoting section 3.1: "the reference point Db (see Figure 2), can use underlying technology based on IEEE 802.3 Ethernet [2] or ITU-T  G.959.1  OTN", then why do we point to I-Ds related to WDM interfaces?

As a result, I am very confused between the liaison and the proposed response...

Cheers,

Julien


Nov. 10, 2015 - daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com:

Hi CCAMP, TEAS and PCE,

 

Please find below a slightly revised text for the reply to the BBF liaison. We took the commitment to send this by mid of this week, please let us know if you have any concern with the text.

 

“The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP working groups would like to thank you for informing of us of the BBF effort on packet-optical networks and sending the document to us for review.

 

Reviewing the requirements proposed in the document, we noted the reference to IETF RFCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control requirements. As you progress your work, please inform us if you identify any gaps in order to satisfy these requirements.

 

For your information, IETF CCAMP is working on an update regarding the management and control of DWDM optical interface parameters and GMPLS protocols (please refer to draft-kdkgall-ccamp-dwdm-if-mng-ctrl-fwk) which might be relevant to your project. This draft is still an individual contribution but it was indicated as “candidate for WG adoption” at the last meeting. The document has a set of companion documents defining extensions for SNMP (draft-galikunze-ccamp-dwdm-if-snmp-mib), LMP (draft-dharinigert-ccamp-dwdm-if-lmp) and YANG data models ( https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dharini-netmod-dwdm-if-yang-00 ). These documents are still in the individual contribution status and will be evaluated for WG adoption after the framework.

Feedback from the BBF would be highly appreciated and can be provided on the CCAMP mailing list without the need for a formal liaison.”

 

 

Thanks

Daniele & Fatai

 

From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniele Ceccarelli
Sent: domenica 1 novembre 2015 04:27
To: Zhenghaomian; 'ccamp@ietf.org'; pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG
Subject: Re: [Teas] Initial version for liaison text //答复: CALL FOR VOLUNTEER - New Liaison Statement, "Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces"

 

Hi Haomian, all,

 

Thanks for starting putting together the reply. Please find some updated proposals from my side.

 

===========================

The working groups in IETF routing area would like to thank you for sending this liaison. We much appreciate BBF on the effort of packet over optical, and sending the document to IETF CCAMP, TEAS and PCE WGs for review. This project defines a set of control plane requirements that the Physically Separated Model should be satisfied. We have some questions and comments:

 

Questions:

•         It is not clear to us how the communication between the packet layer and the optical layer occurs. E.g. control channels, signaling and so on.

•         We would like to see some more details on the management aspects between the packet domain and the optical domain.

Comments:

•         When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., in [R-26] and [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP (RFC5520) are included in the current version. As IETF PCE working group is investigating on stateful PCE, PCE Initiation and PCE as a Central Controller, which are planned to be published in the future, it is better to specify which kind of PCE is now referred by this documents. Moreover, RFC 5623, PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering, may be a good reference for this document.

•         In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow is mentioned as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. We would like to suggest add PCE Protocol (PCEP) as another example, as it is currently used in IETF. Besides, it is suggest to reference to RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI.

•         In section 4.5, [R-36] is not clear whether to be applied to the north-bound of SDN controller, or between the packet NE and SDN controller. We prefer the latter one.

 

It seems to us the requirements proposed in the current document could be addressed by the referenced RFCs defined for GMPLS, so we would like to make sure if you have identified any gaps, which need an update on GMPLS/PCEP to satisfy these requirements. IETF CCAMP is discussing to define a framework for Management and Control of DWDM optical interface parameters and GMPLS protocols that need to be updated, which might be relevant to your project, but this work in CCAMP is still in individual drafts stage. We would like to receive your input.

============================

 

Thanks

Daniele

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhenghaomian

> Sent: martedì 27 ottobre 2015 18:17

> To: 'ccamp@ietf.org'; pce@ietf.org; TEAS WG

> Subject: [CCAMP] Initial version for liaison text //答复: CALL FOR

> VOLUNTEER - New Liaison Statement, "Achieving Packet Network

> Optimization using DWDM Interfaces"

>

> Hi, All,

>

> After reviewing the liaison and document from BBF, we would like to provide

> the following text as an initial version for response. Please help review, your

> comments are highly welcomed.

>

> =====================================for

> discussion================================================

> The working groups in IETF routing area would like to thank you for sending

> this liaison. We much appreciate BBF on the effort of packet over optical, and

> sending the document to IETF CCAMP, TEAS and PCE WGs for review. This

> project defines a set of control plane requirements that the Physically

> Separated Model should be satisfied. We are generally fine about the

> content, with some minor suggestions listed as follow for your reference:

>

> • When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., in [R-26] and [R-27], it

> seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP (RFC5520) are

> included in the current version. As IETF PCE working group is investigating on

> stateful PCE, PCE Initiation and PCE as a Central Controller, which are planned

> to be published in the future, it is better to specify which kind of PCE is now

> referred by this documents. Moreover, RFC 5623, PCE-based inter-layer

> MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering, may be a good reference for this

> document.

> • In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow is mentioned as a

> standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. We

> would like to suggest add PCE Protocol (PCEP) as another example, as it is

> currently used in IETF. Besides, it is suggest to reference to RFC 3413 about

> SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI.

> • In section 4.5, [R-36] is not clear whether to be applied to the north-bound

> of SDN controller, or between the packet NE and SDN controller. We prefer

> the latter one.

>

> It seems to us the requirements proposed in the current document could be

> addressed by the referenced RFCs defined for GMPLS, so we would like to

> make sure if you have identified any gaps, which need an update on GMPLS

> to satisfy these requirements. IETF CCAMP is discussing to define a

> framework for Management and Control of DWDM optical interface

> parameters and GMPLS protocols that need to be updated, which might be

> relevant to your project, but this work in CCAMP is still in individual drafts

> stage. We would like to receive your input.

> ==========================================================

> ========================================================

>

> Thanks.

>

> Best wishes,

> Haomian

>

> -----邮件原件-----

> 发件人: Zhenghaomian

> 发送时间: 2015年10月21日 11:11

> 收件人: Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang

> 抄送: ccamp@ietf.org

> 主题: 答复: CALL FOR VOLUNTEER - New Liaison Statement, "Achieving

> Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces"

>

> Daniele, Fatai and All,

>

> I would like to volunteer for generating the response liaison, as the topic is

> highly related to my research work. I will review the document and share my

> comments early next week. Please also feel free to share your opinion,

> thanks.

>

> Best wishes,

> Haomian

>

> -----邮件原件-----

> 发件人: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Daniele Ceccarelli

> 发送时间: 2015年10月20日 23:46

> 收件人: CCAMP (ccamp@ietf.org)

> 主题: [CCAMP] CALL FOR VOLUNTEER - New Liaison Statement, "Achieving

> Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces"

>

> WG,

>

> We received this liaison from BBF on Packet-Optical integration.

> I'm copying the links to liaison and attachment here for your convenience

> Liaison:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1432/

> Attachment: https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2015-

> 10-16-broadband-forum-rtg-ccamp-teas-achieving-packet-network-

> optimization-using-dwdm-interfaces-attachment-1.pdf

>

> We'd really like 1 or 2 volunteers interested in the topic to draft an answer to

> the liaison before the meeting in Yokohama so to be able to discuss it on the

> list and reply during or immediately after the meeting.

>

> Please consider volunteering.

> Thanks

> Fatai & Daniele

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: Liaison Statement Management Tool [mailto:lsmt@ietf.org]

> > Sent: venerdì 16 ottobre 2015 22:05

> > To: db3546@att.com; vbeeram@juniper.net; akatlas@gmail.com;

> > aretana@cisco.com; lberger@labn.net; zhangfatai@huawei.com; Daniele

> > Ceccarelli

> > Cc: Alvaro Retana; Deborah Brungard; David Sinicrope; Fatai Zhang;

> > Alia Atlas; Vishnu Pavan Beeram; The IETF Chair; Daniele Ceccarelli;

> > Lou Berger; Common Control and Measurement Plane Discussion List;

> > michael.fargano@centurylink.com; Traffic Engineering Architecture and

> > Signaling Discussion List

> > Subject: New Liaison Statement, "Achieving Packet Network Optimization

> > using DWDM Interfaces"

> >

> > Title: Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces

> > Submission Date: 2015-10-16 URL of the IETF Web page:

> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1432/

> > Please reply by 2015-11-08

> > From:  (David Sinicrope <david.sinicrope@ericsson.com>)

> > To:  (vbeeram@juniper.net, lberger@labn.net, akatlas@gmail.com,

> > aretana@cisco.com, db3546@att.com, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com,

> > zhangfatai@huawei.com)

> > Cc:

> > Response Contacts: michael.fargano@centurylink.com Technical Contacts:

> > Purpose: For comment

> >

> > Body: Dear IETF Routing Area and Working Group Leaders:

> >

> > As previously communicated, we have been working on a project entitled

> > “Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces” and are

> > referencing work being done by IETF CCAMP and TEAS in this area. We

> > are pleased to report that we have made significant progress towards

> > completion of our specifications. Specifically,

> >

> > o TR-319 Base, “Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM

> > Interfaces”, was published June 2015 o TR-319 Part A, “Achieving

> > Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces – Physically

> > Integrated Model”, was published June 2015

> >

> > WT-319 Part B, Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM

> > Interfaces – Physically Separated, Logically Separated, is undergoing

> > Straw Ballot (similar to IETF WG Last Call), and we are attaching it for your

> review and comment.

> >

> > Our ballot period closes on November 8, 2015. If it is at all

> > possible, we would appreciate and look forward to any input in time

> > for our ballot close. The next meeting of BBF occurs November 16,

> > 2015. A schedule of our future meetings appears below.

> >

> > We want to express our appreciation for your continued consideration

> > of this important topic.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Michael Fargano,

> > Broadband Forum Technical Committee Chair

> >

> > Date of Upcoming Broadband Forum Meetings DATES LOCATION

> November 16 –

> > 20, 2015 Puerto Vallarta, Mexico February 1 – 5, 2016 Asia Pac

> > (precise location TBD)

> >

> > Note: A list of upcoming meetings can also be found at

> > http://www.broadbandforum.

> > org/meetings/upcomingmeetingsataglance.php

> >

> > Attachments:

> > § WT-319 Part B Straw Ballot Text (bbf2015.071.07)

> > Attachments:

> >

> >     Attachment

> >     https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2015-10-16-

> > broadband-forum-rtg-ccamp-teas-achieving-packet-network-optimization-

> > using-dwdm-interfaces-attachment-1.pdf

> >

> >     Statement

> >     https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2015-10-16-

> > broadband-forum-rtg-ccamp-teas-achieving-packet-network-optimization-

> > using-dwdm-interfaces-attachment-2.pdf

>

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CCAMP Secretary" , "Lou Berger, TEAS Co-Chair" , "Matt Hartley, TEAS Secretary" , "Deborah Brungard, Routing Area Director" , "Gabrielle Bingham, Broadband Forum Secretariat" , "IETF Statements, " , "CCAMP \(ccamp@ietf.org\)" , "JP Vasseur \(jvasseur\) \(jvasseur@cisco.com\)" , "Drew Rexrode II, BBF Routing and Transport Area Director" , "TEAS WG \(teas@ietf.org\)" , "Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director, " , "Dean Cheng, Packet Optical Evolution Project Stream Lead" , "Jonathan Hardwick \(Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com\)" , "pce@ietf.org" , David Sinicrope , "Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO" , "Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director" , "Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair" , "Fatai Zhang, CCAMP Co-Chair" , "'Julien Meuric' \(julien.meuric@orange.com\) \(julien.meuric@orange.com\)" Subject: Re: [Teas] Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:11:08 -0000 --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812ADE468ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like to thank the Broadband Fo= rum for informing us of your effort on packet-optical networks, and providi= ng the IETF with the opportunity to review and comment on your document and= its use of our RFCs. We have conducted an initial review where we noted the references to IETF R= FCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control requirements. Below is some preliminary feedback based on this initial review we hope you= will find helpful and consider for the document. However, given the rece= nt IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret there was little time to conduct a t= horough technical review of the document. We understand the document is in= the last call stage of development. If time and the BBF process allows, = the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a more in = depth technical review over the coming weeks. Please let us know if you wi= sh us to proceed with such a review. As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on "Achieving Packet Network Opt= imization using DWDM Interfaces", we would greatly appreciate if you keep u= s informed of any gaps you identify in the RFCs that are needed to satisfy = these requirements. Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAM= P, PCE and TEAS work would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via t= he relevant IETF Working Group mailing list without the need for a formal l= iaison. We look forward to your response and our continued communication on this im= portant area of optical networking. Best Regards, Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Working Group Chairs Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Philippe Vasseur - PCE Working Grou= p Chairs Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Working Group Chairs --------------------------- Preliminary Feedback --------------------------- Questions: * In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication between the Packet N= ode and the DWDM Network Element achieved? Is there a specific control int= erface that is used in your solution? There are a number of possibilities f= or control channel connectivity available. Perhaps clarifying which are i= ntended would aid understanding and interoperability. * Are there more details on the management and SDN control aspe= cts between the packet network and the optical network? Additional managem= ent and SDN control detail might convey a better understanding of the solut= ion configuration and its operation. Comments: * When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., in [R-26] and= [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP (RFC5= 440) are included in the current solution. The PCE Working Group is inves= tigating stateful PCE and PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be publ= ished in the future. It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sugge= sted to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two. Has RFC= 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering been consi= dered? It may be a good reference for this solution. * In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow is mentioned = as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. PCE= Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, as it is currently= used in IETF. RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are also = recommended references. * In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "North-Bound interface" = to refer to the interface between Network Elements and the SDN controller. = We noted that some commonly use the same term when referring to the interf= ace between the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. anoth= er controller or orchestrator). This could lead to unintended misunderstan= ding. Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding. From: David Sinicrope Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22 To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Area Dire= ctor; Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director; Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang= , CCAMP Co-Chair; Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair; Lou Berger, TEAS Co-C= hair; IETF Statements, Cc: michael.fargano@centurylink.com; Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO; Gabr= ielle Bingham, Broadband Forum Secretariat; David Sinicrope; Drew Rexrode I= I, BBF Routing and Transport Area Director; Oscar Gonzalez de Dios, CCAMP S= ecretary; Matt Hartley, TEAS Secretary; Dean Cheng, Packet Optical Evolutio= n Project Stream Lead Subject: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimization usi= ng DWDM Interfaces Hi All, Please find attached a liaison from the Broadband Forum and its associated = attachments. Please let me know if you have trouble receiving or opening the liaison. Best Regards, Dave Sinicrope IETF-BBF Liaison Manager --_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812ADE468ESESSMB301erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like= to thank the Broadband Forum for informing us of your effort on packet-opt= ical networks, and providing the IETF with the opportunity to review and co= mment on your document and its use of our RFCs.

 

We have conducted an initial review where we note= d the references to IETF RFCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control r= equirements.

Below is some preliminary feedback based on this = initial review we hope you will find helpful and consider for the document.=    However, given the recent IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret = there was little time to conduct a thorough technical review of the document.  We understand the document is in t= he last call stage of development.   If time and the BBF process = allows, the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a = more in depth technical review over the coming weeks.  Please let us know if you wish us to proceed with such a revi= ew.

  

As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on &qu= ot;Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces", we wo= uld greatly appreciate if you keep us informed of any gaps you identify in = the RFCs that are needed to satisfy these requirements.  Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAMP, PCE and TEAS work= would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via the relevant IETF Wor= king Group mailing list without the need for a formal liaison.

 

We look forward to your response and our continue= d communication on this important area of optical networking.

Best Regards,

Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Work= ing Group Chairs

Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Phili= ppe Vasseur - PCE Working Group Chairs

Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Worki= ng Group Chairs

 

---------------------------

Preliminary Feedback

---------------------------

Questions:

•       =       In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication bet= ween the Packet Node and the DWDM Network Element achieved?  Is there = a specific control interface that is used in your solution? There are a num= ber of possibilities for control channel connectivity available.   Perhaps clarifying which are i= ntended would aid understanding and interoperability.

•       =       Are there more details on the management and= SDN control aspects between the packet network and the optical network?&nb= sp; Additional management and SDN control detail might convey a better unde= rstanding of the solution configuration and its operation.

 

Comments:

•       =       When referring to PCE and related issues, e.= g., in [R-26] and [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresp= onding PCEP (RFC5440) are included in the current solution.   The= PCE Working Group is investigating stateful PCE and  PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be publish= ed in the future.  It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sug= gested to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two.  = Has RFC 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering been considered?  It may be a good reference for = this solution.

•       =       In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openf= low is mentioned as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes an= d DWDM nodes. PCE Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, a= s it is currently used in IETF.  RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are also rec= ommended references.

•       =       In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "N= orth-Bound interface" to refer to the interface between Network Elemen= ts and the SDN controller.  We noted that some commonly use the same t= erm when referring to the interface between the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. anothe= r controller or orchestrator).  This could lead to unintended misunder= standing.  Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding.<= o:p>

 

 

From: David Si= nicrope
Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22
To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Ar= ea Director; Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director; Daniele Ceccarelli; Fata= i Zhang, CCAMP Co-Chair; Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair; Lou Berger, TE= AS Co-Chair; IETF Statements,
Cc: michael.fargano@centurylink.com; Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CE= O; Gabrielle Bingham, Broadband Forum Secretariat; David Sinicrope; Drew Re= xrode II, BBF Routing and Transport Area Director; Oscar Gonzalez de Dios, = CCAMP Secretary; Matt Hartley, TEAS Secretary; Dean Cheng, Packet Optical Evolution Project Stream Lead
Subject: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimizat= ion using DWDM Interfaces

 

Hi All,

Please find attached a liaison from the Broadband Fo= rum and its associated attachments.

Please let me know if you have trouble receiving or = opening the liaison.

Best Regards,

Dave Sinicrope

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--_000_4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812ADE468ESESSMB301erics_-- From nobody Mon Nov 16 13:49:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4EE1A8746; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:49:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151116214927.27969.97550.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:49:27 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:49:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF. Title : RSVP Extensions For Re-optimization of Loosely Routed Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Zafar Ali Robert H. Venator Yuji Kamite Filename : draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2015-11-16 Abstract: For a Traffic Engineered (TE) Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) Label Switched Path (LSP), it is preferable in some cases to re-evaluate and re-optimize the entire P2MP-TE LSP by re-signaling all its Source-to-Leaf (S2L) sub-LSP(s). Existing mechanisms, a mechanism for an ingress Label Switched Router (LSR) to trigger a new path re-evaluation request and a mechanism for a mid-point LSR to notify an availability of a preferred path, operate on an individual or a sub-group of S2L sub-LSP(s) basis only. This document defines Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP) signaling extensions to allow an ingress node of a P2MP-TE LSP to request the re-evaluation of the entire LSP tree containing one or more S2L sub-LSPs whose paths are loose (or abstract) hop expanded, and for a mid-point LSR to notify to the ingress node that a preferable tree exists for the entire P2MP-TE LSP. For re-optimizing a group of S2L sub-LSP(s) in a tree, an S2L sub-LSP descriptor list can be used to signal one or more S2L sub-LSPs in an RSVP message. This document defines markers to indicate beginning and end of an S2L sub-LSP descriptor list when the RSVP message needs to be fragmented due to large number of S2L sub-LSPs in the message when performing sub-group based re-optimization. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 16 13:56:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9531B31DB; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:56:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.086 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.086 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qaJTQQ_YMppz; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:56:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E9671B314A; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:56:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3122; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1447711005; x=1448920605; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=r2a3KQv9uI3ZGvwPwjp7GV803YqYMUr/s8FVLX19zQQ=; b=fq+cnSrW+H8Qf472TvKP8lczYmZXvU1e7y9DblssN+30spn5soRuyrtQ EZHri/9O3lA8OcwAyl7qamdNNSo2WtTBb99RodJ/fAHsvDj903dIEAe8F yoL8aa/PRg2jXsgvO3cZw8agS/VKdCGMVPwhg9cL8LkB21tdJb20ti0nA 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AWAgAOUEpW/5ldJa1dgztTbwa+WwENg?= =?us-ascii?q?WUXDIVtAoFJOBQBAQEBAQEBgQqENQEBBAEBATc0CxACAQgSJBAnCxcOAgQOBYg?= =?us-ascii?q?uDbp6AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGIZUhH6EWYRgBZZIAYUciAqBW0mDd?= =?us-ascii?q?41WiFMBHwEBQoIRHYFWcoQDAYEGAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,304,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="207611125" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Nov 2015 21:56:44 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com (xch-rcd-018.cisco.com [173.37.102.28]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tAGLui7q011716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:56:44 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-RCD-018.cisco.com (173.37.102.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:56:43 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:56:43 -0600 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04.txt Thread-Index: AQHRILi2vvpLSeyqske8Y3zCCOS+np6fQqSA Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:56:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20151116214927.27969.97550.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20151116214927.27969.97550.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.2.150604 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.106] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt@ietf.org" , "vbeeram@juniper.net" , "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "db3546@att.com" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:56:47 -0000 Hi WG,=20 This revision is posted to update the dates to avoid draft expiring. Thanks, Rakesh (on behalf of authors) On 2015-11-16 4:49 PM, "Teas on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and >Signaling Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : RSVP Extensions For Re-optimization of Loosely >Routed Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (LSPs) > Authors : Tarek Saad > Rakesh Gandhi > Zafar Ali > Robert H. Venator > Yuji Kamite > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2015-11-16 > >Abstract: > For a Traffic Engineered (TE) Point-to-Multipoint (P2MP) Label > Switched Path (LSP), it is preferable in some cases to re-evaluate > and re-optimize the entire P2MP-TE LSP by re-signaling all its > Source-to-Leaf (S2L) sub-LSP(s). Existing mechanisms, a mechanism > for an ingress Label Switched Router (LSR) to trigger a new path > re-evaluation request and a mechanism for a mid-point LSR to notify > an availability of a preferred path, operate on an individual or a > sub-group of S2L sub-LSP(s) basis only. > > This document defines Resource Reservation Protocol (RSVP) signaling > extensions to allow an ingress node of a P2MP-TE LSP to request the > re-evaluation of the entire LSP tree containing one or more S2L > sub-LSPs whose paths are loose (or abstract) hop expanded, and for a > mid-point LSR to notify to the ingress node that a preferable tree > exists for the entire P2MP-TE LSP. For re-optimizing a group of S2L > sub-LSP(s) in a tree, an S2L sub-LSP descriptor list can be used to > signal one or more S2L sub-LSPs in an RSVP message. This document > defines markers to indicate beginning and end of an S2L sub-LSP > descriptor list when the RSVP message needs to be fragmented due to > large number of S2L sub-LSPs in the message when performing sub-group > based re-optimization. > > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt/ > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-04 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-p2mp-loose-path-reopt-= 04 > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >Teas mailing list >Teas@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Mon Nov 16 22:38:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CE11B2ACD; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:38:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9HfBSXs1oqWI; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x231.google.com (mail-io0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD62F1B2ACA; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by ioc74 with SMTP id 74so9250128ioc.2; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:38:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=crno+En3K0Mwr5/T/Hz9gN8Txs7C4vUos6DLQenBZeE=; b=a36ZyG/6jFANpQnd2ZYyeFhO7b3nL1w0eJk55OqdGz1Uby+Zh+942dtGMvnUiBCYqq Lm1wLzvApcsvHM7AhK5UDvjVsKMxqpO5svJAadKAdx06ncSE3V+q0mO/QUy2sfGQ5Lfu J1fGOflA4zQ5bz+j4bto++Ma1JwjoG8lw1WbokrBkUXilzva2oOJoU7gxSrgnJgVxwin TRz71cBPXtwwohRfIE7+acFsDUJBm8Chmldjd9udr28zxYsvpav/2G15EReKFG7i31mg RZeOhxAgEFcywd7HrSYlaf9EReF0ipiU8OUK4M0CNuJOQMhikP3ej6W21uYd8OF7jliQ qiLw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.26.12 with SMTP id a12mr13472793ioa.155.1447742310128; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.249.5 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:38:30 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20151117023622.11790.78501.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:08:30 +0530 Message-ID: From: Dhruv Dhody To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fe39e1f1fb20524b6c66a Archived-At: Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects@ietf.org" , "vbeeram@juniper.net" , "dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" , The IESG Subject: Re: [Teas] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 06:38:33 -0000 --001a113fe39e1f1fb20524b6c66a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Spencer, Updated in the working copy as per your suggestion. Thanks! Regards, Dhruv On Tuesday 17 November 2015, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, I got this confused myself - what I meant was > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> In this text: >> >> The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood >> by legacy implementations. If one of the subobjects is received in a >> RSVP-TE object that does not understand it, it will behave as >> described in [RFC3209] and [RFC4874]. >> >> I think something is confused. Do RSVP-TE objects understand subobjects? >> Or is this >> >> The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood >> by legacy implementations. If a legacy implementations receives one >> of the subobjects in an RSVP-TE object that it does not understand, >> the >> legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC3209] and >> [RFC4874]. >> >> correct? >> > > The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood > by legacy implementations. If a legacy implementation receives one > of the subobjects that it does not understand in an RSVP-TE object, > the > legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC3209] and > [RFC4874]. > --001a113fe39e1f1fb20524b6c66a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Spencer,=C2=A0

Updated in the working copy as per you= r suggestion. Thanks!=C2=A0

Regards,
Dhr= uv

On Tuesday 17 November 2015, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com= > wrote:
Sorry, I got= this confused myself - what I meant was

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@gma= il.com> wrote:
Spencer Dawkins has entere= d the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s= tatement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/



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COMMENT:
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In this text:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be und= erstood
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by legacy implementations.=C2=A0 If one of the subobjects is r= eceived in a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RSVP-TE object that does not understand it, it will behave as<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0described in [RFC3209] and [RFC4874].

I think something is confused. Do RSVP-TE objects understand subobjects? Or is this

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be und= erstood
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by legacy implementations.=C2=A0 If a legacy implementations r= eceives one
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of the subobjects in an RSVP-TE object that it does not unders= tand,
the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC3209] an= d
[RFC4874].

correct?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The new subobjects int= roduced by this document will not be understood
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by legacy i= mplementations.=C2=A0 If a legacy implementation receives one
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0of the subobjects that it does not understand in an RSVP-TE object,
t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC32= 09] and
[RFC4874].=C2=A0
--001a113fe39e1f1fb20524b6c66a-- From nobody Tue Nov 17 08:29:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BE81B30B1; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:10:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dz8yG_-iUeV0; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from lxomp52w.centurylink.com (lxomp52w.centurylink.com [155.70.50.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3FAE1AC3DC; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from lxomavmpc030.qintra.com (lxomavmpc030.qintra.com [151.117.207.30]) by lxomp52w.centurylink.com (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id tAGIABox001947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:10:11 -0600 Received: from lxomavmpc030.qintra.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113A91E00E7; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:10:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from lxdnp32k.corp.intranet (unknown [10.6.10.61]) by lxomavmpc030.qintra.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536A11E0088; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:10:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from lxdnp32k.corp.intranet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lxdnp32k.corp.intranet (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id tAGIA4D0045698; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:10:04 -0700 Received: from vodcwhubex501.ctl.intranet (vodcwhubex501.ctl.intranet [151.117.206.27]) by lxdnp32k.corp.intranet (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id tAGIA4Sx045682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:10:04 -0700 Received: from PODCWMBXEX503.ctl.intranet ([fe80::4d5b:a179:e694:9731]) by vodcwhubex501.ctl.intranet ([151.117.206.27]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:10:04 -0600 From: "Fargano, Michael" To: Daniele Ceccarelli Thread-Topic: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces Thread-Index: AdEINxc6TE4QHmqkTVCnnbAc6/cDZgYQMKqwAAiKh6A= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:10:03 +0000 Message-ID: <8D492192-C6C8-42B7-824A-6CDC6D4DFFBF@centurylink.com> References: <871EB8879748FA458598F0461906289322DA2077@eusaamb103.ericsson.se>, <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812ADE468@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812ADE468@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8D492192C6C842B7824A6CDC6D4DFFBFcenturylinkcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 08:28:58 -0800 Cc: "Dean Cheng, Packet Optical Evolution Project Stream Lead" , "Lou Berger, TEAS Co-Chair" , "Deborah Brungard, Routing Area Director" , "Gabrielle Bingham, Broadband Forum Secretariat" , "IETF Statements, " , "CCAMP \(ccamp@ietf.org\)" , "JP Vasseur \(jvasseur\) \(jvasseur@cisco.com\)" , "Drew Rexrode II, BBF Routing and Transport Area Director" , "TEAS WG \(teas@ietf.org\)" , "Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director, " , "Oscar Gonzalez de Dios, CCAMP Secretary" , "Jonathan Hardwick \(Jonathan.Hardwick@metaswitch.com\)" , "pce@ietf.org" , David Sinicrope , "Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO" , "Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director" , "Matt Hartley, TEAS Secretary" , "Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair" , "Fatai Zhang, CCAMP Co-Chair" , "'Julien Meuric' \(julien.meuric@orange.com\) \(julien.meuric@orange.com\)" Subject: Re: [Teas] Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:10:40 -0000 --_000_8D492192C6C842B7824A6CDC6D4DFFBFcenturylinkcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received. Uploaded as BBF2015.1183.00. Thx. Regards, Mike On Nov 16, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli > wrote: Hello, The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like to thank the Broadband Fo= rum for informing us of your effort on packet-optical networks, and providi= ng the IETF with the opportunity to review and comment on your document and= its use of our RFCs. We have conducted an initial review where we noted the references to IETF R= FCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control requirements. Below is some preliminary feedback based on this initial review we hope you= will find helpful and consider for the document. However, given the rece= nt IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret there was little time to conduct a t= horough technical review of the document. We understand the document is in= the last call stage of development. If time and the BBF process allows, = the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a more in = depth technical review over the coming weeks. Please let us know if you wi= sh us to proceed with such a review. As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on "Achieving Packet Network Opt= imization using DWDM Interfaces", we would greatly appreciate if you keep u= s informed of any gaps you identify in the RFCs that are needed to satisfy = these requirements. Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAM= P, PCE and TEAS work would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via t= he relevant IETF Working Group mailing list without the need for a formal l= iaison. We look forward to your response and our continued communication on this im= portant area of optical networking. Best Regards, Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Working Group Chairs Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Philippe Vasseur - PCE Working Grou= p Chairs Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Working Group Chairs --------------------------- Preliminary Feedback --------------------------- Questions: =95 In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication between the Packet= Node and the DWDM Network Element achieved? Is there a specific control i= nterface that is used in your solution? There are a number of possibilities= for control channel connectivity available. Perhaps clarifying which are= intended would aid understanding and interoperability. =95 Are there more details on the management and SDN control as= pects between the packet network and the optical network? Additional manag= ement and SDN control detail might convey a better understanding of the sol= ution configuration and its operation. Comments: =95 When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., in [R-26] a= nd [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and corresponding PCEP (RF= C5440) are included in the current solution. The PCE Working Group is inv= estigating stateful PCE and PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be pu= blished in the future. It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sug= gested to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two. Has R= FC 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering been con= sidered? It may be a good reference for this solution. =95 In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow is mentione= d as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DWDM nodes. P= CE Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, as it is current= ly used in IETF. RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are als= o recommended references. =95 In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "North-Bound interface= " to refer to the interface between Network Elements and the SDN controller= . We noted that some commonly use the same term when referring to the inte= rface between the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. ano= ther controller or orchestrator). This could lead to unintended misunderst= anding. Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding. From: David Sinicrope Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22 To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Area Dire= ctor; Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director; Daniele Ceccarelli; Fatai Zhang= , CCAMP Co-Chair; Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair; Lou Berger, TEAS Co-C= hair; IETF Statements, Cc: michael.fargano@centurylink.com= ; Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO; Gabrielle Bingham, Broadband Forum Secr= etariat; David Sinicrope; Drew Rexrode II, BBF Routing and Transport Area D= irector; Oscar Gonzalez de Dios, CCAMP Secretary; Matt Hartley, TEAS Secret= ary; Dean Cheng, Packet Optical Evolution Project Stream Lead Subject: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimization usi= ng DWDM Interfaces Hi All, Please find attached a liaison from the Broadband Forum and its associated = attachments. Please let me know if you have trouble receiving or opening the liaison. Best Regards, Dave Sinicrope IETF-BBF Liaison Manager This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain confident= ial or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is st= rictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communicat= ion in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and dest= roy all copies of the communication and any attachments. --_000_8D492192C6C842B7824A6CDC6D4DFFBFcenturylinkcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Received. Uploaded as BBF2015.1183.00. Thx.

Regards,
Mike

On Nov 16, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote:<= br>

Hello,

 

The TEAS, PCE and CCAMP Working Groups would like= to thank the Broadband Forum for informing us of your effort on packet-opt= ical networks, and providing the IETF with the opportunity to review and co= mment on your document and its use of our RFCs.

 

We have conducted an initial review where we note= d the references to IETF RFCs on GMPLS and PCE for satisfying the control r= equirements.

Below is some preliminary feedback based on this = initial review we hope you will find helpful and consider for the document.=    However, given the recent IETF 94 meeting activity, we regret = there was little time to conduct a thorough technical review of the document.  We understand the document is in t= he last call stage of development.   If time and the BBF process = allows, the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS Working Groups would be happy to conduct a = more in depth technical review over the coming weeks.  Please let us know if you wish us to proceed with such a revi= ew.

  

As the Broadband Forum progresses its work on &qu= ot;Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces", we wo= uld greatly appreciate if you keep us informed of any gaps you identify in = the RFCs that are needed to satisfy these requirements.  Feedback from the BBF on existing and progressing CCAMP, PCE and TEAS work= would be greatly appreciated and can be provided via the relevant IETF Wor= king Group mailing list without the need for a formal liaison.

 

We look forward to your response and our continue= d communication on this important area of optical networking.

Best Regards,

Daniele Ceccarelli & Fatai Zhang - CCAMP Work= ing Group Chairs

Jonathan Hardwick, Julien Meuric & Jean-Phili= ppe Vasseur - PCE Working Group Chairs

Vishnu Pavan Beeram & Lou Berger - TEAS Worki= ng Group Chairs

 

---------------------------

Preliminary Feedback

---------------------------

Questions:

=95       &nbs= p;     In A.2.1, how is the GMPLS communication between= the Packet Node and the DWDM Network Element achieved?  Is there a sp= ecific control interface that is used in your solution? There are a number = of possibilities for control channel connectivity available.   Perhaps clarifying which are i= ntended would aid understanding and interoperability.

=95       &nbs= p;     Are there more details on the management and SDN= control aspects between the packet network and the optical network?  = Additional management and SDN control detail might convey a better understa= nding of the solution configuration and its operation.

 

Comments:

=95       &nbs= p;     When referring to PCE and related issues, e.g., = in [R-26] and [R-27], it seems only stateless PCE (RFC4655) and correspondi= ng PCEP (RFC5440) are included in the current solution.   The PCE= Working Group is investigating stateful PCE and  PCE Initiated LSPs, which are planned to be publish= ed in the future.  It may be worth specifying which kind of PCE is sug= gested to be used in the current solution, to differentiate the two.  = Has RFC 5623 - PCE-based inter-layer MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering been considered?  It may be a good reference for = this solution.

=95       &nbs= p;     In section 4.4 when talking about SDN, Openflow = is mentioned as a standard protocol to interact between packet nodes and DW= DM nodes. PCE Protocol (PCEP) could be considered as another example, as it= is currently used in IETF.  RFC 3413 about SNMP, and RFC 4208 about GMPLS UNI are also rec= ommended references.

=95       &nbs= p;     In section 4.5, [R-36] uses the term "North= -Bound interface" to refer to the interface between Network Elements a= nd the SDN controller.  We noted that some commonly use the same term = when referring to the interface between the controller and what sits "above" the controller (e.g. anothe= r controller or orchestrator).  This could lead to unintended misunder= standing.  Perhaps a clarification would help avoid misunderstanding.<= o:p>

 

 

From: David Si= nicrope
Sent: venerd=EC 16 ottobre 2015 19:22
To: Alia Atlas, Routing Area Director,; Deborah Brungard, Routing Ar= ea Director; Alvaro Retana, Routing Area Director; Daniele Ceccarelli; Fata= i Zhang, CCAMP Co-Chair; Vishnu Pavan Beeram, TEAS Co-Chair; Lou Berger, TE= AS Co-Chair; IETF Statements,
Cc: michael.farga= no@centurylink.com; Robin Mersh, Broadband Forum CEO; Gabrielle Bingham= , Broadband Forum Secretariat; David Sinicrope; Drew Rexrode II, BBF Routin= g and Transport Area Director; Oscar Gonzalez de Dios, CCAMP Secretary; Matt Hartley, TEAS Secretary; Dean Chen= g, Packet Optical Evolution Project Stream Lead
Subject: Broadband Forum Liaison: Achieving Packet Network Optimizat= ion using DWDM Interfaces

 

Hi All,

Please find attached a liaison from the Broadband Fo= rum and its associated attachments.

Please let me know if you have trouble receiving or = opening the liaison.

Best Regards,

Dave Sinicrope

IETF-BBF Liaison Manager

This communication is the property of CenturyLink and may contain c= onfidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communicati= on is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this co= mmunication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communicat= ion and any attachments.
--_000_8D492192C6C842B7824A6CDC6D4DFFBFcenturylinkcom_-- From nobody Tue Nov 17 08:29:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6041ACD4D; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:36:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151117023622.11790.78501.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 18:36:22 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 08:28:58 -0800 Cc: teas-chairs@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects@ietf.org, vbeeram@juniper.net Subject: [Teas] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 02:36:22 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In this text: The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood by legacy implementations. If one of the subobjects is received in a RSVP-TE object that does not understand it, it will behave as described in [RFC3209] and [RFC4874]. I think something is confused. Do RSVP-TE objects understand subobjects? Or is this The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood by legacy implementations. If a legacy implementations receives one of the subobjects in an RSVP-TE object that it does not understand, the legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC3209] and [RFC4874]. correct? 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(Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In this text: > > The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood > by legacy implementations. If one of the subobjects is received in a > RSVP-TE object that does not understand it, it will behave as > described in [RFC3209] and [RFC4874]. > > I think something is confused. Do RSVP-TE objects understand subobjects? > Or is this > > The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood > by legacy implementations. If a legacy implementations receives one > of the subobjects in an RSVP-TE object that it does not understand, > the > legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC3209] and > [RFC4874]. > > correct? > The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be understood by legacy implementations. If a legacy implementation receives one of the subobjects that it does not understand in an RSVP-TE object, the legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC3209] and [RFC4874]. --001a114786c2ff96110524b37b2b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, I got this confused myself - what I meant was

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at= 8:36 PM, Spencer Dawkins <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
Spencer Dawkins has entered the follow= ing ballot position for
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s= tatement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/



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COMMENT:
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In this text:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be und= erstood
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by legacy implementations.=C2=A0 If one of the subobjects is r= eceived in a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RSVP-TE object that does not understand it, it will behave as<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0described in [RFC3209] and [RFC4874].

I think something is confused. Do RSVP-TE objects understand subobjects? Or is this

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The new subobjects introduced by this document will not be und= erstood
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by legacy implementations.=C2=A0 If a legacy implementations r= eceives one
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of the subobjects in an RSVP-TE object that it does not unders= tand,
the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC3209] an= d
[RFC4874].

correct?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The new subobjects int= roduced by this document will not be understood
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by legacy i= mplementations.=C2=A0 If a legacy implementation receives one
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0of the subobjects that it does not understand in an RSVP-TE object,
t= he
=C2=A0 =C2=A0legacy implementation will behave as described in [RFC32= 09] and
[RFC4874].=C2=A0
--001a114786c2ff96110524b37b2b-- From nobody Tue Nov 17 10:44:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783EB1B302B for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:44:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.085 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id grxWgVVuS8Si for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F54D1B3000 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:44:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=12765; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1447785844; x=1448995444; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Arxt4rxFvpwc9n9TqDM5h2RGmhmSkDyGcrcY+glZPG8=; b=D3cmGnjdgxFXWsj14gRKzOhSpgdQ/XPJCiB9K+QmMHcg7UIna/t9NOs0 sG3Pj3iLpohRDbsuvW6Ut7K5mioFmIsksdGTtQ367hiAja5mcOXn1aSlR WKDby3AUELgE03sPi3c4ZV8dW8BuFjYvsygLRbQmUKcNE6X0p2elxveE9 I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AWAgBhdEtW/4oNJK1egztTbwa9ZHcBD?= =?us-ascii?q?YFlFwqFD18CgVA4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ0AQEBAwEBAQE3LgMDBAcFCwIBCA4EJBA?= =?us-ascii?q?nCxcOAgQBDQUIARKICwgNvD8BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYhlSEfoQ1h?= =?us-ascii?q?QQFjRuJLgGFIIIshVeBYkmDd4MlhBCLA4NxAR8BAUKCER2BVnIBg0BCAYEGAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?B?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,309,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="209175842" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 17 Nov 2015 18:44:02 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (xch-rcd-003.cisco.com [173.37.102.13]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tAHIi2Ii005163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:44:02 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-003.cisco.com (173.37.102.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:44:02 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:44:02 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: Lou Berger , TEAS WG Thread-Topic: [Teas] Raw notes from TEAS session Thread-Index: AQHRF4jjYIQmnt4AmUSUE/OOVKOjiZ6gnyIA Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:44:02 +0000 Message-ID: <9890b16bc76348c6bafa9c8ceed3d988@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <563AE5AB.6080205@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <563AE5AB.6080205@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.95] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Matt Hartley \(mhartley\)" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram Subject: Re: [Teas] Raw notes from TEAS session X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:44:07 -0000 All, I've gone over the audio and made some markups to the etherpad based on tha= t. We have one person who commented on the last presentation (Mach's rfc531= 6bis draft) who remains anonymous at this point. Cheers Matt > All, >=20 > Thanks to we have Jon Hardwick, Haomian Zheng and other anonymous note > takers to thank for the enclosed raw notes from today. These notes are > also available, and editable, via the URL: > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-teas >=20 > Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link above. > Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG) before > being finalized. Please limit changes to what actually transpired in the > meeting. Session audio is available at > http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf94/ietf94-room301-20151104-0900.mp3 >=20 > If you have a question or want to discuss any topics raised in the > session, please feel free to do so on the list, but please do so with an > appropriate Subject line. >=20 > Thank you! > Lou and Pavan >=20 >=20 > IETF 94 - TEAS Agenda > > TEAS Agenda For IETF 94 > > Version: Nov 03, 2015 > > > > Thursday, November 5th, 2015 > > 0900 - 11:30 - Thursday Morning Session I > > Room: 301 > > Presentation Start Time Duration Information > > 0 9:00 5 Title: Administrivia & WG Status > > Draft: > > Presenter: Chairs >=20 > > 1 9:05 5 Title: WG Draft updates > > Draft: Many > > Presenter: Chairs >=20 > 2 drafts in RFC Ed Q > 2 drafts with IESG > 1 draft in WGLC > 4 liaisons > BBF liaison requires response by 8 Nov; detailed review required. CCAMP > is coordinating the response. >=20 > The working groups is reminded to use the mailing list to discuss issues, > not just to report back on the resolution of issues. WG consensus is > determined on the mailing list. > Wiki page is now available, for experts to share their view point. >=20 > Cyril: SRLG collection draft: authors will address comments received and > welcomes new comments. > Lou: RSVP egress protection draft authors are asking for last call - it i= s > a good time to review this draft. >=20 > > 2 9:10 10 Title: Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Ingress > Local Protection > > Draft: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection-04 > > Presenter: Huaimo Chen >=20 > 8 people support relay-message method. 4 people support proxy-ingress > method. > Each group of supporters are saying that their preferred method is > simpler. > Lou Berger: the selction between the two options was obtained by voting? > (Yes) Simple voting really isn't the same as consensus. Please bring the > technical tradeoffs to the mailing list and let's try to discuss and reac= h > consensus there. If you (authors) think it would be helpful we can have = a > conference call (interim) to discuss the more details. >=20 > > 3 9:20 15 Title: TE Topology Model > > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang- > te-topo > > Presenter: Xufeng Liu >=20 > Lou Berger: Please move (advanced) scheduling to its own document Xufeng > Liu: We have to decide which WG Lou Berger: it's fine to start in teas, > but please seperate it Lou Berger: YANG model align to the I2RS draft wil= l > be done in their WG? > Is it finished in teas? > Xufeng Liu: Almost, I2RS draft will be updated. > Xufeng: L3 topology model will have a reference to the TE topology model. > Alex: We must be careful to avoid circular dependencies between these two > models. > Lou: It's good that you are working together to resolve this; if there is > a coordination issue between WGs then please raise with chairs; please > discuss technical issues on the mailing lists. >=20 > > 4 9:35 15 Title: RSVP and TE Yang models > > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang- > rsvp > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te > > Presenter: Tarek Saad >=20 > Ina: Operators want to turn MPLS on explicitly on interfaces. > Lou: The model allows MPLS and RSVP to be enabled independently. > Question to Ina: is that what you wanted? > Ina: We wanted to see if we could get rid of the need to enable them > independently but we could not find a way to do that. > Pawel: We use unnumbered interfaces a lot, this model has to cover them. > Lou: (To Tarek) It's not always clear which RFCs you are mapping back to > and which you are supporting. It is important for implementers to know > this. > Lou: I think it's time to pull out the PSC specific pieces from this > document. The split pieces can start as a -00 working group document as > they are being split out from a WG doument. >=20 > > 5 9:50 10 Title: OpenConfig MPLS Model (TE Aspects) > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-openconfig-mpls- > consolidated-model > > Presenter: Ina Minei >=20 > Anees: Find these models on github.com/openconfig/public. >=20 > > 6 10:00 10 Title: Usage of IM for network topology to > support TE Topology YANG Module Development > > Draft: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lam-teas-usage-info-model-net- > topology > > Presenter: Scott Mansfield >=20 > Lou Berger: working with information models is appreciated. Your intent > is to build an information model that informs the data models that we are > working on, correct? (Scott, yes) In which case, please could you bring > any gaps that you find to the mailing list? > Scott: Yes, will bring that back to the authors. > Lou Berger: for Appendix A, confused about why a Data model is presented. > Scott: it demonstrates how you can generate a data model if you already > have a info model, an example for guideline. > Scott: Appendix A is supposed to be an example; it is intended to guide > you to what you are building. > Lou: a pointer to this information may be better; it is confusing to find > a data model in an information model document. > Lou: It would also be good to provide the same sort of feedback to CCAMP > on their technology-specific models. >=20 > > 7 10:10 10 Title: Requirements for Abstraction and Control > of Transport Networks > > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-actn- > requirements > > Presenter: Young Lee >=20 > Pavan: is there any ACTN work that need to change TEAS charter? > Young: We don't think it's going to change the charter. >=20 > > 8 10:20 10 Title: Framework for Abstraction and Control of > Transport Networks > > Draft: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-teas-actn-framework > > Presenter: Daniele Ceccarelli >=20 > Giovanni: What is the relationship between this draft and the te- > interconnection draft? > Lou Berger: that is already clarified, as > Adrian: bring some terminology from te-interconnection into ACTN work to > avoid inconsistency. > Young Lee: would like to collaborate on terminology level. > Young: we did not invent any new terminology, so if there is a conflict i= n > usage then we need to elaborate on that. > Lou: See RFC 7426 - you may wish to reuse that terminology, that is what > the IETF is using. > Lou: is everything in the framework controller-based? > Daniele: Yes - ACTN is between controllers, not between controllers and N= E > Lou: In TEAS we want to make sure that the number of layers is arbitrary > Daniele: This is OK, stacking of layers is allowed. >=20 > > 9 10:30 10 Title: Information Model for Abstraction and > Control of TE Networks (ACTN) > > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leebelotti-teas- > actn-info > > Presenter: Sergio Belotti >=20 > Lou: When you talked about connectivity topology there seems to be overla= p > with Scott's presentation. It would be good if you could work together on > that. >=20 > > 10 10:40 10 Title: Architecture for Scheduled Use of > Resources > > Draft: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-teas-scheduled-resources > > Presenter: Adrian Farrel > Ken: Are future bookings always first come first serveed or are there > other prioritizations? > Adrian: This is a question of what policy do you want to implement on you= r > servce which is beyond our scope. > Robin: We have proposed a similar time-based approach for BGP flowspec. > ??? I think there should be some framework for synchronizing the time- > based request with the actual service flow. >=20 > > 11 10:50 10 Title: Framework for Temporal Tunnel Services > > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas-frmwk- > tts > > Presenter: Huaimo Chen >=20 > Lou: it seems that this documents and the preceding document both talk > about the same problem space. Is the WG interested in working on this > problem? > Daniele: I am really interested in this work, but what is the scope? Are > we interested only in networks with RSVP-TE? > Lou: No, we are interested in all TE networks. We want to discuss > architecture for now, nor solutions. >=20 > Gert: I have never seen a large scale TE signaling deployment. So I do no= t > have much interest in seeing these drafts. > Lou: This discussion has come up often over many years, but we have not > got to the point where enough people are prepared to work on it. >=20 > Lou: Who is interested in working on this? Raise your hands. (About 15 > people.) > Lou: Now who does not want to work on it? Raise your hands. (About 6-8 > people.) OK, somewhat more people want to work on it than don't. >=20 > Lou: WG please go and read this draft and comment, let's see if there is > value on continue doing this. > Himanshu: I would prefer to ask who wants to work on the distributed > model? > Adrian: > Daniele: prefer to follow a single model. >=20 > > 12 11:00 10 Title: Architecture and Requirement for > Distribution of Link-State and TE Information via PCEP > > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leedhody-teas- > pcep-ls > > Presenter: Dhruv Dhody >=20 > Lou Berger: Any architecture changes? > Lou: Most of this is basic architecture, and most of it is existing > architecture. So having a discussion of the basic architecture in a > protocol-agnostic way is OK for clarification, but we should focus only o= n > the architectural aspects. > Dhruv: We are not trying to introduce a new architectural concept. We are > trying to assess the impact and applicability to use a new protocol. > Dhruv: Making this document agnostic of the protocol destroys the value o= f > the document. The whole purpose is to explore the applicability of using > PCEP for this. >=20 > Sergio: To provide remote information you need to have IGP in the network= , > so what is the advtangtage of using PCEP as well? > Dhruv: >=20 > > 13 11:10 10 Title: PCE as a Central Controller (PCECC) > > Draft: > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhao-pce-central-controller-user- > cases > > Presenter: Dhruv Dhody/Quintin Zhao >=20 > Lou: How many have read this document? (Quite a few) > Lou: informational or standard track? > Dhruv: there are two drafts related, informational for use case one > (presented here), and experimental for the protocol extension (in PCE > working group). > Lou: Who thinks this is a good idea? (Almost the same) > Lou: Who thinks we should not work on this (One or two) > Sergio: Not a bad idea, but PCE should be a part of the controller, not > the controller itself. >=20 > > 14 11:20 10 Title: ISIS Extensions in Support of Inter-AS > MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering > > Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas- > rfc5316bis > > Presenter: Mach Chen >=20 > Les Ginsberg: Does this draft belong in ISIS WG or here? > Lou: The original RFC was done at the same time as the OSPF version - doe= s > the OSPF document suffer the same flaws as RFC 5316? > Mach: No, the problems are only for IS-IS. > Chris Hopps: Happy for this document to move to ISIS WG. >=20 > > Adjourn 11:30 > > > > >=20 > Note takers add your name here > Jon Hardwick > Haomian Zheng >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Nov 17 10:57:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0E11B3354 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:57:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.666 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.666 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EUu-N_uDrD1R for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FC691B311E for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 10:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11667 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 2015 18:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2015 18:57:28 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id ipxJ1r00k2SSUrH01pxMde; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:57:25 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Caqbutbl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=zCWulWdbVy_2OT1za4MA:9 a=wTjEJy5hbX_jG_HZ:21 a=HXurXLl33u4o1aLv:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=jNSL3uKSt0sA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=4MLgkgIbx7+AM7OSGQPQO/62ZwKumjC6xBTLJtzaYPo=; b=scCDiZ6EojLji9YiYRw/UpUtAubeX470y+GjkuOZq9kMsHcZnjTjzLbwM80p3cPi2Zs3Z+kvuOVW9IaPAfvIqku8HKoca8qtsrdeGkkiA8Zb0EK0QiDDLuzLK1SAv7JL; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:37173 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZylRQ-00084h-Kp; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:57:20 -0700 To: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" , TEAS WG References: <563AE5AB.6080205@labn.net> <9890b16bc76348c6bafa9c8ceed3d988@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <564B788C.1050201@labn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:57:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9890b16bc76348c6bafa9c8ceed3d988@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Subject: Re: [Teas] Raw notes from TEAS session X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:57:39 -0000 Thank you! So you think this is ready for review and distribution, right? On 11/17/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Hartley (mhartley) wrote: > All, > > I've gone over the audio and made some markups to the etherpad based on that. We have one person who commented on the last presentation (Mach's rfc5316bis draft) who remains anonymous at this point. > > Cheers > > Matt > >> All, >> >> Thanks to we have Jon Hardwick, Haomian Zheng and other anonymous note >> takers to thank for the enclosed raw notes from today. These notes are >> also available, and editable, via the URL: >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-teas >> >> Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link above. >> Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG) before >> being finalized. Please limit changes to what actually transpired in the >> meeting. Session audio is available at >> http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf94/ietf94-room301-20151104-0900.mp3 >> >> If you have a question or want to discuss any topics raised in the >> session, please feel free to do so on the list, but please do so with an >> appropriate Subject line. >> >> Thank you! >> Lou and Pavan >> >> >> IETF 94 - TEAS Agenda >>> TEAS Agenda For IETF 94 >>> Version: Nov 03, 2015 >>> >>> Thursday, November 5th, 2015 >>> 0900 - 11:30 - Thursday Morning Session I >>> Room: 301 >>> Presentation Start Time Duration Information >>> 0 9:00 5 Title: Administrivia & WG Status >>> Draft: >>> Presenter: Chairs >>> 1 9:05 5 Title: WG Draft updates >>> Draft: Many >>> Presenter: Chairs >> 2 drafts in RFC Ed Q >> 2 drafts with IESG >> 1 draft in WGLC >> 4 liaisons >> BBF liaison requires response by 8 Nov; detailed review required. CCAMP >> is coordinating the response. >> >> The working groups is reminded to use the mailing list to discuss issues, >> not just to report back on the resolution of issues. WG consensus is >> determined on the mailing list. >> Wiki page is now available, for experts to share their view point. >> >> Cyril: SRLG collection draft: authors will address comments received and >> welcomes new comments. >> Lou: RSVP egress protection draft authors are asking for last call - it is >> a good time to review this draft. >> >>> 2 9:10 10 Title: Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Ingress >> Local Protection >>> Draft: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection-04 >>> Presenter: Huaimo Chen >> 8 people support relay-message method. 4 people support proxy-ingress >> method. >> Each group of supporters are saying that their preferred method is >> simpler. >> Lou Berger: the selction between the two options was obtained by voting? >> (Yes) Simple voting really isn't the same as consensus. Please bring the >> technical tradeoffs to the mailing list and let's try to discuss and reach >> consensus there. If you (authors) think it would be helpful we can have a >> conference call (interim) to discuss the more details. >> >>> 3 9:20 15 Title: TE Topology Model >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang- >> te-topo >>> Presenter: Xufeng Liu >> Lou Berger: Please move (advanced) scheduling to its own document Xufeng >> Liu: We have to decide which WG Lou Berger: it's fine to start in teas, >> but please seperate it Lou Berger: YANG model align to the I2RS draft will >> be done in their WG? >> Is it finished in teas? >> Xufeng Liu: Almost, I2RS draft will be updated. >> Xufeng: L3 topology model will have a reference to the TE topology model. >> Alex: We must be careful to avoid circular dependencies between these two >> models. >> Lou: It's good that you are working together to resolve this; if there is >> a coordination issue between WGs then please raise with chairs; please >> discuss technical issues on the mailing lists. >> >>> 4 9:35 15 Title: RSVP and TE Yang models >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang- >> rsvp >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te >>> Presenter: Tarek Saad >> Ina: Operators want to turn MPLS on explicitly on interfaces. >> Lou: The model allows MPLS and RSVP to be enabled independently. >> Question to Ina: is that what you wanted? >> Ina: We wanted to see if we could get rid of the need to enable them >> independently but we could not find a way to do that. >> Pawel: We use unnumbered interfaces a lot, this model has to cover them. >> Lou: (To Tarek) It's not always clear which RFCs you are mapping back to >> and which you are supporting. It is important for implementers to know >> this. >> Lou: I think it's time to pull out the PSC specific pieces from this >> document. The split pieces can start as a -00 working group document as >> they are being split out from a WG doument. >> >>> 5 9:50 10 Title: OpenConfig MPLS Model (TE Aspects) >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-openconfig-mpls- >> consolidated-model >>> Presenter: Ina Minei >> Anees: Find these models on github.com/openconfig/public. >> >>> 6 10:00 10 Title: Usage of IM for network topology to >> support TE Topology YANG Module Development >>> Draft: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lam-teas-usage-info-model-net- >> topology >>> Presenter: Scott Mansfield >> Lou Berger: working with information models is appreciated. Your intent >> is to build an information model that informs the data models that we are >> working on, correct? (Scott, yes) In which case, please could you bring >> any gaps that you find to the mailing list? >> Scott: Yes, will bring that back to the authors. >> Lou Berger: for Appendix A, confused about why a Data model is presented. >> Scott: it demonstrates how you can generate a data model if you already >> have a info model, an example for guideline. >> Scott: Appendix A is supposed to be an example; it is intended to guide >> you to what you are building. >> Lou: a pointer to this information may be better; it is confusing to find >> a data model in an information model document. >> Lou: It would also be good to provide the same sort of feedback to CCAMP >> on their technology-specific models. >> >>> 7 10:10 10 Title: Requirements for Abstraction and Control >> of Transport Networks >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-actn- >> requirements >>> Presenter: Young Lee >> Pavan: is there any ACTN work that need to change TEAS charter? >> Young: We don't think it's going to change the charter. >> >>> 8 10:20 10 Title: Framework for Abstraction and Control of >> Transport Networks >>> Draft: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-teas-actn-framework >>> Presenter: Daniele Ceccarelli >> Giovanni: What is the relationship between this draft and the te- >> interconnection draft? >> Lou Berger: that is already clarified, as >> Adrian: bring some terminology from te-interconnection into ACTN work to >> avoid inconsistency. >> Young Lee: would like to collaborate on terminology level. >> Young: we did not invent any new terminology, so if there is a conflict in >> usage then we need to elaborate on that. >> Lou: See RFC 7426 - you may wish to reuse that terminology, that is what >> the IETF is using. >> Lou: is everything in the framework controller-based? >> Daniele: Yes - ACTN is between controllers, not between controllers and NE >> Lou: In TEAS we want to make sure that the number of layers is arbitrary >> Daniele: This is OK, stacking of layers is allowed. >> >>> 9 10:30 10 Title: Information Model for Abstraction and >> Control of TE Networks (ACTN) >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leebelotti-teas- >> actn-info >>> Presenter: Sergio Belotti >> Lou: When you talked about connectivity topology there seems to be overlap >> with Scott's presentation. It would be good if you could work together on >> that. >> >>> 10 10:40 10 Title: Architecture for Scheduled Use of >> Resources >>> Draft: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-teas-scheduled-resources >>> Presenter: Adrian Farrel >> Ken: Are future bookings always first come first serveed or are there >> other prioritizations? >> Adrian: This is a question of what policy do you want to implement on your >> servce which is beyond our scope. >> Robin: We have proposed a similar time-based approach for BGP flowspec. >> ??? I think there should be some framework for synchronizing the time- >> based request with the actual service flow. >> >>> 11 10:50 10 Title: Framework for Temporal Tunnel Services >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas-frmwk- >> tts >>> Presenter: Huaimo Chen >> Lou: it seems that this documents and the preceding document both talk >> about the same problem space. Is the WG interested in working on this >> problem? >> Daniele: I am really interested in this work, but what is the scope? Are >> we interested only in networks with RSVP-TE? >> Lou: No, we are interested in all TE networks. We want to discuss >> architecture for now, nor solutions. >> >> Gert: I have never seen a large scale TE signaling deployment. So I do not >> have much interest in seeing these drafts. >> Lou: This discussion has come up often over many years, but we have not >> got to the point where enough people are prepared to work on it. >> >> Lou: Who is interested in working on this? Raise your hands. (About 15 >> people.) >> Lou: Now who does not want to work on it? Raise your hands. (About 6-8 >> people.) OK, somewhat more people want to work on it than don't. >> >> Lou: WG please go and read this draft and comment, let's see if there is >> value on continue doing this. >> Himanshu: I would prefer to ask who wants to work on the distributed >> model? >> Adrian: >> Daniele: prefer to follow a single model. >> >>> 12 11:00 10 Title: Architecture and Requirement for >> Distribution of Link-State and TE Information via PCEP >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leedhody-teas- >> pcep-ls >>> Presenter: Dhruv Dhody >> Lou Berger: Any architecture changes? >> Lou: Most of this is basic architecture, and most of it is existing >> architecture. So having a discussion of the basic architecture in a >> protocol-agnostic way is OK for clarification, but we should focus only on >> the architectural aspects. >> Dhruv: We are not trying to introduce a new architectural concept. We are >> trying to assess the impact and applicability to use a new protocol. >> Dhruv: Making this document agnostic of the protocol destroys the value of >> the document. The whole purpose is to explore the applicability of using >> PCEP for this. >> >> Sergio: To provide remote information you need to have IGP in the network, >> so what is the advtangtage of using PCEP as well? >> Dhruv: >> >>> 13 11:10 10 Title: PCE as a Central Controller (PCECC) >>> Draft: >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhao-pce-central-controller-user- >> cases >>> Presenter: Dhruv Dhody/Quintin Zhao >> Lou: How many have read this document? (Quite a few) >> Lou: informational or standard track? >> Dhruv: there are two drafts related, informational for use case one >> (presented here), and experimental for the protocol extension (in PCE >> working group). >> Lou: Who thinks this is a good idea? (Almost the same) >> Lou: Who thinks we should not work on this (One or two) >> Sergio: Not a bad idea, but PCE should be a part of the controller, not >> the controller itself. >> >>> 14 11:20 10 Title: ISIS Extensions in Support of Inter-AS >> MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas- >> rfc5316bis >>> Presenter: Mach Chen >> Les Ginsberg: Does this draft belong in ISIS WG or here? >> Lou: The original RFC was done at the same time as the OSPF version - does >> the OSPF document suffer the same flaws as RFC 5316? >> Mach: No, the problems are only for IS-IS. >> Chris Hopps: Happy for this document to move to ISIS WG. >> >>> Adjourn 11:30 >>> >>> >> Note takers add your name here >> Jon Hardwick >> Haomian Zheng >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Nov 17 11:08:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D921B337B for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:08:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.085 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rqSGXtm_WKC1 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B6441B3385 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=13735; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1447787315; x=1448996915; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=4VnZ2ON1qdKqBEQ39KCPXFe0NZFsB0uTN5n1tq8fAGQ=; b=Arw2+Mv4eJv24JxbcitKMtpHhRCXL3t466uwGY5YyDs1Ozmc85gBoV7Z 4M8Ei/HZBWvuygMbkvQgJq4UZ7FACWaj/K4sUvUFXng6mvy4rK/4Oek9m vkfVGKawYl9DGtio1t919g2cKTB5KuxpWTJywbB6VDl2mY9oQZrzG+Yey M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AWAgAwektW/5FdJa1egztTbwa9ZHcBD?= =?us-ascii?q?YFlFwqFD18CgVA4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ0AQEBAwEBAQE3LgMDBAcFCwIBCA4EBh4?= =?us-ascii?q?QJwsXDgIEAQ0FCAESiAsIDbxJAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGIZUhH6EN?= =?us-ascii?q?YUEBY0biS4BhSCCLIVXgWJJg3eDJYQQiwODcQEfAQFCghEdgVZyAYNAQgGBBgE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,309,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="45736328" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 17 Nov 2015 19:08:33 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (xch-aln-005.cisco.com [173.36.7.15]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tAHJ8XaV016164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:08:33 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-ALN-005.cisco.com (173.36.7.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:08:33 -0600 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:08:33 -0600 From: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" To: Lou Berger , TEAS WG Thread-Topic: [Teas] Raw notes from TEAS session Thread-Index: AQHRF4jjYIQmnt4AmUSUE/OOVKOjiZ6gnyIAgABp7gD//50YYA== Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:08:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: <563AE5AB.6080205@labn.net> <9890b16bc76348c6bafa9c8ceed3d988@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <564B788C.1050201@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <564B788C.1050201@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [161.44.213.95] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Matt Hartley \(mhartley\)" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram Subject: Re: [Teas] Raw notes from TEAS session X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:08:38 -0000 > Thank you! So you think this is ready for review and distribution, right? As far as I'm concerned, yes. Although given that I made quite a few change= s, would it be worth giving the WG a day or two to comment if they want to? Cheers Matt >=20 > On 11/17/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Hartley (mhartley) wrote: > > All, > > > > I've gone over the audio and made some markups to the etherpad based on > that. We have one person who commented on the last presentation (Mach's > rfc5316bis draft) who remains anonymous at this point. > > > > Cheers > > > > Matt > > > >> All, > >> > >> Thanks to we have Jon Hardwick, Haomian Zheng and other anonymous > >> note takers to thank for the enclosed raw notes from today. These > >> notes are also available, and editable, via the URL: > >> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-teas > >> > >> Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link above= . > >> Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG) > >> before being finalized. Please limit changes to what actually > >> transpired in the meeting. Session audio is available at > >> http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf94/ietf94-room301-20151104-0900.mp3 > >> > >> If you have a question or want to discuss any topics raised in the > >> session, please feel free to do so on the list, but please do so with > >> an appropriate Subject line. > >> > >> Thank you! > >> Lou and Pavan > >> > >> > >> IETF 94 - TEAS Agenda > >>> TEAS Agenda For IETF 94 > >>> Version: Nov 03, 2015 > >>> > >>> Thursday, November 5th, 2015 > >>> 0900 - 11:30 - Thursday Morning Session I > >>> Room: 301 > >>> Presentation Start Time Duration Information > >>> 0 9:00 5 Title: Administrivia & WG Status > >>> Draft: > >>> Presenter: Chairs > >>> 1 9:05 5 Title: WG Draft updates > >>> Draft: Many > >>> Presenter: Chairs > >> 2 drafts in RFC Ed Q > >> 2 drafts with IESG > >> 1 draft in WGLC > >> 4 liaisons > >> BBF liaison requires response by 8 Nov; detailed review required. > >> CCAMP is coordinating the response. > >> > >> The working groups is reminded to use the mailing list to discuss > >> issues, not just to report back on the resolution of issues. WG > >> consensus is determined on the mailing list. > >> Wiki page is now available, for experts to share their view point. > >> > >> Cyril: SRLG collection draft: authors will address comments received > >> and welcomes new comments. > >> Lou: RSVP egress protection draft authors are asking for last call - > >> it is a good time to review this draft. > >> > >>> 2 9:10 10 Title: Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Ingress > >> Local Protection > >>> Draft: > >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection-0 > >> 4 > >>> Presenter: Huaimo Chen > >> 8 people support relay-message method. 4 people support > >> proxy-ingress method. > >> Each group of supporters are saying that their preferred method is > >> simpler. > >> Lou Berger: the selction between the two options was obtained by > voting? > >> (Yes) Simple voting really isn't the same as consensus. Please bring > >> the technical tradeoffs to the mailing list and let's try to discuss > >> and reach consensus there. If you (authors) think it would be > >> helpful we can have a conference call (interim) to discuss the more > details. > >> > >>> 3 9:20 15 Title: TE Topology Model > >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang= - > >> te-topo > >>> Presenter: Xufeng Liu > >> Lou Berger: Please move (advanced) scheduling to its own document > >> Xufeng > >> Liu: We have to decide which WG Lou Berger: it's fine to start in > >> teas, but please seperate it Lou Berger: YANG model align to the I2RS > >> draft will be done in their WG? > >> Is it finished in teas? > >> Xufeng Liu: Almost, I2RS draft will be updated. > >> Xufeng: L3 topology model will have a reference to the TE topology > model. > >> Alex: We must be careful to avoid circular dependencies between these > >> two models. > >> Lou: It's good that you are working together to resolve this; if > >> there is a coordination issue between WGs then please raise with > >> chairs; please discuss technical issues on the mailing lists. > >> > >>> 4 9:35 15 Title: RSVP and TE Yang models > >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang= - > >> rsvp > >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te > >>> Presenter: Tarek Saad > >> Ina: Operators want to turn MPLS on explicitly on interfaces. > >> Lou: The model allows MPLS and RSVP to be enabled independently. > >> Question to Ina: is that what you wanted? > >> Ina: We wanted to see if we could get rid of the need to enable them > >> independently but we could not find a way to do that. > >> Pawel: We use unnumbered interfaces a lot, this model has to cover > them. > >> Lou: (To Tarek) It's not always clear which RFCs you are mapping back > >> to and which you are supporting. It is important for implementers to > >> know this. > >> Lou: I think it's time to pull out the PSC specific pieces from this > >> document. The split pieces can start as a -00 working group document > >> as they are being split out from a WG doument. > >> > >>> 5 9:50 10 Title: OpenConfig MPLS Model (TE Aspects) > >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-openconfig-mpls- > >> consolidated-model > >>> Presenter: Ina Minei > >> Anees: Find these models on github.com/openconfig/public. > >> > >>> 6 10:00 10 Title: Usage of IM for network topology to > >> support TE Topology YANG Module Development > >>> Draft: > >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lam-teas-usage-info-model-net- > >> topology > >>> Presenter: Scott Mansfield > >> Lou Berger: working with information models is appreciated. Your > >> intent is to build an information model that informs the data models > >> that we are working on, correct? (Scott, yes) In which case, please > >> could you bring any gaps that you find to the mailing list? > >> Scott: Yes, will bring that back to the authors. > >> Lou Berger: for Appendix A, confused about why a Data model is > presented. > >> Scott: it demonstrates how you can generate a data model if you > >> already have a info model, an example for guideline. > >> Scott: Appendix A is supposed to be an example; it is intended to > >> guide you to what you are building. > >> Lou: a pointer to this information may be better; it is confusing to > >> find a data model in an information model document. > >> Lou: It would also be good to provide the same sort of feedback to > >> CCAMP on their technology-specific models. > >> > >>> 7 10:10 10 Title: Requirements for Abstraction and Contro= l > >> of Transport Networks > >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-actn= - > >> requirements > >>> Presenter: Young Lee > >> Pavan: is there any ACTN work that need to change TEAS charter? > >> Young: We don't think it's going to change the charter. > >> > >>> 8 10:20 10 Title: Framework for Abstraction and Control o= f > >> Transport Networks > >>> Draft: > >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-teas-actn-framework > >>> Presenter: Daniele Ceccarelli > >> Giovanni: What is the relationship between this draft and the te- > >> interconnection draft? > >> Lou Berger: that is already clarified, as > >> Adrian: bring some terminology from te-interconnection into ACTN work > >> to avoid inconsistency. > >> Young Lee: would like to collaborate on terminology level. > >> Young: we did not invent any new terminology, so if there is a > >> conflict in usage then we need to elaborate on that. > >> Lou: See RFC 7426 - you may wish to reuse that terminology, that is > >> what the IETF is using. > >> Lou: is everything in the framework controller-based? > >> Daniele: Yes - ACTN is between controllers, not between controllers > >> and NE > >> Lou: In TEAS we want to make sure that the number of layers is > >> arbitrary > >> Daniele: This is OK, stacking of layers is allowed. > >> > >>> 9 10:30 10 Title: Information Model for Abstraction and > >> Control of TE Networks (ACTN) > >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leebelotti- > teas- > >> actn-info > >>> Presenter: Sergio Belotti > >> Lou: When you talked about connectivity topology there seems to be > >> overlap with Scott's presentation. It would be good if you could work > >> together on that. > >> > >>> 10 10:40 10 Title: Architecture for Scheduled Use of > >> Resources > >>> Draft: > >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-teas-scheduled-resources > >>> Presenter: Adrian Farrel > >> Ken: Are future bookings always first come first serveed or are there > >> other prioritizations? > >> Adrian: This is a question of what policy do you want to implement on > >> your servce which is beyond our scope. > >> Robin: We have proposed a similar time-based approach for BGP flowspec= . > >> ??? I think there should be some framework for synchronizing the > >> time- based request with the actual service flow. > >> > >>> 11 10:50 10 Title: Framework for Temporal Tunnel Services > >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas- > frmwk- > >> tts > >>> Presenter: Huaimo Chen > >> Lou: it seems that this documents and the preceding document both > >> talk about the same problem space. Is the WG interested in working > >> on this problem? > >> Daniele: I am really interested in this work, but what is the scope? > >> Are we interested only in networks with RSVP-TE? > >> Lou: No, we are interested in all TE networks. We want to discuss > >> architecture for now, nor solutions. > >> > >> Gert: I have never seen a large scale TE signaling deployment. So I > >> do not have much interest in seeing these drafts. > >> Lou: This discussion has come up often over many years, but we have > >> not got to the point where enough people are prepared to work on it. > >> > >> Lou: Who is interested in working on this? Raise your hands. (About > >> 15 > >> people.) > >> Lou: Now who does not want to work on it? Raise your hands. (About > >> 6-8 > >> people.) OK, somewhat more people want to work on it than don't. > >> > >> Lou: WG please go and read this draft and comment, let's see if there > >> is value on continue doing this. > >> Himanshu: I would prefer to ask who wants to work on the distributed > >> model? > >> Adrian: > >> Daniele: prefer to follow a single model. > >> > >>> 12 11:00 10 Title: Architecture and Requirement for > >> Distribution of Link-State and TE Information via PCEP > >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leedhody-teas- > >> pcep-ls > >>> Presenter: Dhruv Dhody > >> Lou Berger: Any architecture changes? > >> Lou: Most of this is basic architecture, and most of it is existing > >> architecture. So having a discussion of the basic architecture in a > >> protocol-agnostic way is OK for clarification, but we should focus > >> only on the architectural aspects. > >> Dhruv: We are not trying to introduce a new architectural concept. We > >> are trying to assess the impact and applicability to use a new > protocol. > >> Dhruv: Making this document agnostic of the protocol destroys the > >> value of the document. The whole purpose is to explore the > >> applicability of using PCEP for this. > >> > >> Sergio: To provide remote information you need to have IGP in the > >> network, so what is the advtangtage of using PCEP as well? > >> Dhruv: > >> > >>> 13 11:10 10 Title: PCE as a Central Controller (PCECC) > >>> Draft: > >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhao-pce-central-controller-use > >> r- > >> cases > >>> Presenter: Dhruv Dhody/Quintin Zhao > >> Lou: How many have read this document? (Quite a few) > >> Lou: informational or standard track? > >> Dhruv: there are two drafts related, informational for use case one > >> (presented here), and experimental for the protocol extension (in PCE > >> working group). > >> Lou: Who thinks this is a good idea? (Almost the same) > >> Lou: Who thinks we should not work on this (One or two) > >> Sergio: Not a bad idea, but PCE should be a part of the controller, > >> not the controller itself. > >> > >>> 14 11:20 10 Title: ISIS Extensions in Support of Inter-AS > >> MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering > >>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas- > >> rfc5316bis > >>> Presenter: Mach Chen > >> Les Ginsberg: Does this draft belong in ISIS WG or here? > >> Lou: The original RFC was done at the same time as the OSPF version - > >> does the OSPF document suffer the same flaws as RFC 5316? > >> Mach: No, the problems are only for IS-IS. > >> Chris Hopps: Happy for this document to move to ISIS WG. > >> > >>> Adjourn 11:30 > >>> > >>> > >> Note takers add your name here > >> Jon Hardwick > >> Haomian Zheng > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Teas mailing list > >> Teas@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >=20 From nobody Tue Nov 17 11:32:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4071A700E for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.666 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.666 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id roV9vSxFWUQ5 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:32:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 95EB21A7004 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6102 invoked by uid 0); 17 Nov 2015 19:32:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2015 19:32:03 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id ijXx1r01D2SSUrH01jY0G8; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:32:03 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=IekUBwaa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=GJLkBUe886IgzsWzkLIA:9 a=1ylDjk7k66-3D_sI:21 a=ygaIq104KEeeQb69:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=jNSL3uKSt0sA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=opXtVuWFuOt2ZMCVm6pHbzSMulj47ezmGhNMabF+8uU=; b=sgJ0Itsf58VFsaTz16BpUyjbBOTXC5nro1KXtzz9bGMcuScj4eyo4KTHpnoBAHJkj9y4CTPdbcL4AXRuSuFqHQh3AM4RxjT618cKbdkHXipX31vlPVIiXM9XIXbktzB5; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:43442 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Zylyv-00063O-Ly; Tue, 17 Nov 2015 12:31:57 -0700 To: "Matt Hartley (mhartley)" , TEAS WG References: <563AE5AB.6080205@labn.net> <9890b16bc76348c6bafa9c8ceed3d988@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <564B788C.1050201@labn.net> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <564B80A9.2060203@labn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:31:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Subject: Re: [Teas] Raw notes from TEAS session X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:32:17 -0000 The next step is for me and Pavan to review/okay then poll the WG for input.. On 11/17/2015 2:08 PM, Matt Hartley (mhartley) wrote: >> Thank you! So you think this is ready for review and distribution, right? > As far as I'm concerned, yes. Although given that I made quite a few changes, would it be worth giving the WG a day or two to comment if they want to? > > Cheers > > Matt > >> On 11/17/2015 1:44 PM, Matt Hartley (mhartley) wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I've gone over the audio and made some markups to the etherpad based on >> that. We have one person who commented on the last presentation (Mach's >> rfc5316bis draft) who remains anonymous at this point. >>> Cheers >>> >>> Matt >>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> Thanks to we have Jon Hardwick, Haomian Zheng and other anonymous >>>> note takers to thank for the enclosed raw notes from today. These >>>> notes are also available, and editable, via the URL: >>>> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-teas >>>> >>>> Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link above. >>>> Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG) >>>> before being finalized. Please limit changes to what actually >>>> transpired in the meeting. Session audio is available at >>>> http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf94/ietf94-room301-20151104-0900.mp3 >>>> >>>> If you have a question or want to discuss any topics raised in the >>>> session, please feel free to do so on the list, but please do so with >>>> an appropriate Subject line. >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> Lou and Pavan >>>> >>>> >>>> IETF 94 - TEAS Agenda >>>>> TEAS Agenda For IETF 94 >>>>> Version: Nov 03, 2015 >>>>> >>>>> Thursday, November 5th, 2015 >>>>> 0900 - 11:30 - Thursday Morning Session I >>>>> Room: 301 >>>>> Presentation Start Time Duration Information >>>>> 0 9:00 5 Title: Administrivia & WG Status >>>>> Draft: >>>>> Presenter: Chairs >>>>> 1 9:05 5 Title: WG Draft updates >>>>> Draft: Many >>>>> Presenter: Chairs >>>> 2 drafts in RFC Ed Q >>>> 2 drafts with IESG >>>> 1 draft in WGLC >>>> 4 liaisons >>>> BBF liaison requires response by 8 Nov; detailed review required. >>>> CCAMP is coordinating the response. >>>> >>>> The working groups is reminded to use the mailing list to discuss >>>> issues, not just to report back on the resolution of issues. WG >>>> consensus is determined on the mailing list. >>>> Wiki page is now available, for experts to share their view point. >>>> >>>> Cyril: SRLG collection draft: authors will address comments received >>>> and welcomes new comments. >>>> Lou: RSVP egress protection draft authors are asking for last call - >>>> it is a good time to review this draft. >>>> >>>>> 2 9:10 10 Title: Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Ingress >>>> Local Protection >>>>> Draft: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection-0 >>>> 4 >>>>> Presenter: Huaimo Chen >>>> 8 people support relay-message method. 4 people support >>>> proxy-ingress method. >>>> Each group of supporters are saying that their preferred method is >>>> simpler. >>>> Lou Berger: the selction between the two options was obtained by >> voting? >>>> (Yes) Simple voting really isn't the same as consensus. Please bring >>>> the technical tradeoffs to the mailing list and let's try to discuss >>>> and reach consensus there. If you (authors) think it would be >>>> helpful we can have a conference call (interim) to discuss the more >> details. >>>>> 3 9:20 15 Title: TE Topology Model >>>>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang- >>>> te-topo >>>>> Presenter: Xufeng Liu >>>> Lou Berger: Please move (advanced) scheduling to its own document >>>> Xufeng >>>> Liu: We have to decide which WG Lou Berger: it's fine to start in >>>> teas, but please seperate it Lou Berger: YANG model align to the I2RS >>>> draft will be done in their WG? >>>> Is it finished in teas? >>>> Xufeng Liu: Almost, I2RS draft will be updated. >>>> Xufeng: L3 topology model will have a reference to the TE topology >> model. >>>> Alex: We must be careful to avoid circular dependencies between these >>>> two models. >>>> Lou: It's good that you are working together to resolve this; if >>>> there is a coordination issue between WGs then please raise with >>>> chairs; please discuss technical issues on the mailing lists. >>>> >>>>> 4 9:35 15 Title: RSVP and TE Yang models >>>>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang- >>>> rsvp >>>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te >>>>> Presenter: Tarek Saad >>>> Ina: Operators want to turn MPLS on explicitly on interfaces. >>>> Lou: The model allows MPLS and RSVP to be enabled independently. >>>> Question to Ina: is that what you wanted? >>>> Ina: We wanted to see if we could get rid of the need to enable them >>>> independently but we could not find a way to do that. >>>> Pawel: We use unnumbered interfaces a lot, this model has to cover >> them. >>>> Lou: (To Tarek) It's not always clear which RFCs you are mapping back >>>> to and which you are supporting. It is important for implementers to >>>> know this. >>>> Lou: I think it's time to pull out the PSC specific pieces from this >>>> document. The split pieces can start as a -00 working group document >>>> as they are being split out from a WG doument. >>>> >>>>> 5 9:50 10 Title: OpenConfig MPLS Model (TE Aspects) >>>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-openconfig-mpls- >>>> consolidated-model >>>>> Presenter: Ina Minei >>>> Anees: Find these models on github.com/openconfig/public. >>>> >>>>> 6 10:00 10 Title: Usage of IM for network topology to >>>> support TE Topology YANG Module Development >>>>> Draft: >>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lam-teas-usage-info-model-net- >>>> topology >>>>> Presenter: Scott Mansfield >>>> Lou Berger: working with information models is appreciated. Your >>>> intent is to build an information model that informs the data models >>>> that we are working on, correct? (Scott, yes) In which case, please >>>> could you bring any gaps that you find to the mailing list? >>>> Scott: Yes, will bring that back to the authors. >>>> Lou Berger: for Appendix A, confused about why a Data model is >> presented. >>>> Scott: it demonstrates how you can generate a data model if you >>>> already have a info model, an example for guideline. >>>> Scott: Appendix A is supposed to be an example; it is intended to >>>> guide you to what you are building. >>>> Lou: a pointer to this information may be better; it is confusing to >>>> find a data model in an information model document. >>>> Lou: It would also be good to provide the same sort of feedback to >>>> CCAMP on their technology-specific models. >>>> >>>>> 7 10:10 10 Title: Requirements for Abstraction and Control >>>> of Transport Networks >>>>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-actn- >>>> requirements >>>>> Presenter: Young Lee >>>> Pavan: is there any ACTN work that need to change TEAS charter? >>>> Young: We don't think it's going to change the charter. >>>> >>>>> 8 10:20 10 Title: Framework for Abstraction and Control of >>>> Transport Networks >>>>> Draft: >>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ceccarelli-teas-actn-framework >>>>> Presenter: Daniele Ceccarelli >>>> Giovanni: What is the relationship between this draft and the te- >>>> interconnection draft? >>>> Lou Berger: that is already clarified, as >>>> Adrian: bring some terminology from te-interconnection into ACTN work >>>> to avoid inconsistency. >>>> Young Lee: would like to collaborate on terminology level. >>>> Young: we did not invent any new terminology, so if there is a >>>> conflict in usage then we need to elaborate on that. >>>> Lou: See RFC 7426 - you may wish to reuse that terminology, that is >>>> what the IETF is using. >>>> Lou: is everything in the framework controller-based? >>>> Daniele: Yes - ACTN is between controllers, not between controllers >>>> and NE >>>> Lou: In TEAS we want to make sure that the number of layers is >>>> arbitrary >>>> Daniele: This is OK, stacking of layers is allowed. >>>> >>>>> 9 10:30 10 Title: Information Model for Abstraction and >>>> Control of TE Networks (ACTN) >>>>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leebelotti- >> teas- >>>> actn-info >>>>> Presenter: Sergio Belotti >>>> Lou: When you talked about connectivity topology there seems to be >>>> overlap with Scott's presentation. It would be good if you could work >>>> together on that. >>>> >>>>> 10 10:40 10 Title: Architecture for Scheduled Use of >>>> Resources >>>>> Draft: >>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhuang-teas-scheduled-resources >>>>> Presenter: Adrian Farrel >>>> Ken: Are future bookings always first come first serveed or are there >>>> other prioritizations? >>>> Adrian: This is a question of what policy do you want to implement on >>>> your servce which is beyond our scope. >>>> Robin: We have proposed a similar time-based approach for BGP flowspec. >>>> ??? I think there should be some framework for synchronizing the >>>> time- based request with the actual service flow. >>>> >>>>> 11 10:50 10 Title: Framework for Temporal Tunnel Services >>>>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas- >> frmwk- >>>> tts >>>>> Presenter: Huaimo Chen >>>> Lou: it seems that this documents and the preceding document both >>>> talk about the same problem space. Is the WG interested in working >>>> on this problem? >>>> Daniele: I am really interested in this work, but what is the scope? >>>> Are we interested only in networks with RSVP-TE? >>>> Lou: No, we are interested in all TE networks. We want to discuss >>>> architecture for now, nor solutions. >>>> >>>> Gert: I have never seen a large scale TE signaling deployment. So I >>>> do not have much interest in seeing these drafts. >>>> Lou: This discussion has come up often over many years, but we have >>>> not got to the point where enough people are prepared to work on it. >>>> >>>> Lou: Who is interested in working on this? Raise your hands. (About >>>> 15 >>>> people.) >>>> Lou: Now who does not want to work on it? Raise your hands. (About >>>> 6-8 >>>> people.) OK, somewhat more people want to work on it than don't. >>>> >>>> Lou: WG please go and read this draft and comment, let's see if there >>>> is value on continue doing this. >>>> Himanshu: I would prefer to ask who wants to work on the distributed >>>> model? >>>> Adrian: >>>> Daniele: prefer to follow a single model. >>>> >>>>> 12 11:00 10 Title: Architecture and Requirement for >>>> Distribution of Link-State and TE Information via PCEP >>>>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-leedhody-teas- >>>> pcep-ls >>>>> Presenter: Dhruv Dhody >>>> Lou Berger: Any architecture changes? >>>> Lou: Most of this is basic architecture, and most of it is existing >>>> architecture. So having a discussion of the basic architecture in a >>>> protocol-agnostic way is OK for clarification, but we should focus >>>> only on the architectural aspects. >>>> Dhruv: We are not trying to introduce a new architectural concept. We >>>> are trying to assess the impact and applicability to use a new >> protocol. >>>> Dhruv: Making this document agnostic of the protocol destroys the >>>> value of the document. The whole purpose is to explore the >>>> applicability of using PCEP for this. >>>> >>>> Sergio: To provide remote information you need to have IGP in the >>>> network, so what is the advtangtage of using PCEP as well? >>>> Dhruv: >>>> >>>>> 13 11:10 10 Title: PCE as a Central Controller (PCECC) >>>>> Draft: >>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhao-pce-central-controller-use >>>> r- >>>> cases >>>>> Presenter: Dhruv Dhody/Quintin Zhao >>>> Lou: How many have read this document? (Quite a few) >>>> Lou: informational or standard track? >>>> Dhruv: there are two drafts related, informational for use case one >>>> (presented here), and experimental for the protocol extension (in PCE >>>> working group). >>>> Lou: Who thinks this is a good idea? (Almost the same) >>>> Lou: Who thinks we should not work on this (One or two) >>>> Sergio: Not a bad idea, but PCE should be a part of the controller, >>>> not the controller itself. >>>> >>>>> 14 11:20 10 Title: ISIS Extensions in Support of Inter-AS >>>> MPLS and GMPLS Traffic Engineering >>>>> Draft: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-teas- >>>> rfc5316bis >>>>> Presenter: Mach Chen >>>> Les Ginsberg: Does this draft belong in ISIS WG or here? >>>> Lou: The original RFC was done at the same time as the OSPF version - >>>> does the OSPF document suffer the same flaws as RFC 5316? >>>> Mach: No, the problems are only for IS-IS. >>>> Chris Hopps: Happy for this document to move to ISIS WG. >>>> >>>>> Adjourn 11:30 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Note takers add your name here >>>> Jon Hardwick >>>> Haomian Zheng >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Teas mailing list >>>> Teas@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > From nobody Wed Nov 18 17:14:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCF41B3A89; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:14:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.585, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S0Gos3-lhFEY; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F10D1B3AB7; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 25677180005; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:13:18 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20151119011318.25677180005@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:13:18 -0800 (PST) Archived-At: Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, teas@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Teas] RFC 7709 on Requirements for Very Fast Setup of GMPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:14:42 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7709 Title: Requirements for Very Fast Setup of GMPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs) Author: A. Malis, Ed., B. Wilson, G. Clapp, V. Shukla Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: November 2015 Mailbox: agmalis@gmail.com, bwilson@appcomsci.com, clapp@research.att.com, vishnu.shukla@verizon.com Pages: 9 Characters: 20022 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-teas-fast-lsps-requirements-02.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7709 DOI: http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7709 Establishment and control of Label Switch Paths (LSPs) have become mainstream tools of commercial and government network providers. One of the elements of further evolving such networks is scaling their performance in terms of LSP bandwidth and traffic loads, LSP intensity (e.g., rate of LSP creation, deletion, and modification), LSP set up delay, quality-of-service differentiation, and different levels of resilience. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From nobody Thu Nov 19 01:56:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FC51B310A; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:54:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WR_t__4Uy9-Z; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 206861B3109; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by iofh3 with SMTP id h3so83549012iof.3; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:54:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=zIu7MdKIHNuczfUV5xZAQW12vI0SC2jbuc3Sjt/Yll8=; b=T9jMM56CUA+8oS1iX7fvJlFJbYbm8gFknfGn/imhvWsNdpE0E6Dg9ANbqKKAbW7Lv9 6RIKCTq2hB76oiAo7xMc+f0bdaEfimi4iHxghk0KPj6/KNwnWeD3Ssfk83yHidUbiU86 1UrWr3jP5GqFkdKIGg5BMZyhS+xiGi1Exfzy7EoUIdABMxeqJBsYoRLX1f4eGk4GdEuS 01gfnRMEo4b78x2FoKtv0M0nUz+ffdSnUsf7glZOeK41tCmYoYDt163ymriIEE1I/Yss 4G3Byd6wI0wrbg6ezQi353IgyG0yvan4v8PGd71sEDXvnB+77fIL/yaD7NQQ2R2VG6cz rCPQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.184.139 with SMTP id i133mr8637433iof.42.1447926877380; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:54:37 -0800 (PST) Sender: dhruvdhody@gmail.com X-Google-Sender-Delegation: dhruvdhody@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.249.5 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:54:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151119060315.15395.72506.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20151119060315.15395.72506.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:24:37 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hCYBusRE-B5CZNv6r3dGQGnUXf0 Message-ID: From: Dhruv Dhody To: Barry Leiba Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c07f9402fe94f0524e1bfab Archived-At: Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "TEAS WG \(teas@ietf.org\)" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , "dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" , draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects@ietf.org, The IESG Subject: Re: [Teas] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:54:40 -0000 --94eb2c07f9402fe94f0524e1bfab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Barry, Thanks for your review. On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Barry Leiba wrote: > Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobject= s/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In Section 5.1, to be consistent with how IANA prefers registry URLs to > be specified, please remove the string "/rsvp-parameters.xhtml" from the > three IANA URLs. > > I'll also note that IANA doesn't guarantee the persistence of the URL > fragment identifiers (the end of the URL that starts with "#"). You > might discuss with IANA whether it's OK to leave them, or better to > remove those URLs. > =E2=80=8B[Dhruv]:=E2=80=8B =E2=80=8BAck, updated in the working copy. Sent a mail to IANA for confirma= tion as well. Regards, Dhruv =E2=80=8B --94eb2c07f9402fe94f0524e1bfab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Barry,=C2=A0

Thanks for y= our review.=C2=A0

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Barry Leiba <<= a href=3D"mailto:barryleiba@computer.org" target=3D"_blank">barryleiba@comp= uter.org> wrote:
Barry Leiba has entere= d the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s= tatement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/



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COMMENT:
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In Section 5.1, to be consistent with how IANA prefers registry URLs to
be specified, please remove the string "/rsvp-parameters.xhtml" f= rom the
three IANA URLs.

I'll also note that IANA doesn't guarantee the persistence of the U= RL
fragment identifiers (the end of the URL that starts with "#").= =C2=A0 You
might discuss with IANA whether it's OK to leave them, or better to
remove those URLs.

=E2=80=8BAck, updated in the working copy. Sent a mail to IANA f= or confirmation as well.=C2=A0

Regards,
Dhruv=C2=A0


=E2=80=8B
--94eb2c07f9402fe94f0524e1bfab-- From nobody Thu Nov 19 08:03:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050201A88FA; Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:03:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Barry Leiba" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151119060315.15395.72506.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:03:15 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 08:03:02 -0800 Cc: teas-chairs@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects@ietf.org, vbeeram@juniper.net Subject: [Teas] Barry Leiba's No Objection on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:03:16 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In Section 5.1, to be consistent with how IANA prefers registry URLs to be specified, please remove the string "/rsvp-parameters.xhtml" from the three IANA URLs. I'll also note that IANA doesn't guarantee the persistence of the URL fragment identifiers (the end of the URL that starts with "#"). You might discuss with IANA whether it's OK to leave them, or better to remove those URLs. From nobody Thu Nov 19 09:37:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8543F1B2B85; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:37:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151119173736.22503.72968.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:37:36 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:37:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF. Title : Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Authors : Dhruv Dhody Udayasree Palle Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy Ramon Casellas Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2015-11-19 Abstract: The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly included in a path setup. Further Exclude Routes extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly excluded in a path setup. This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4-Byte Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) area during path setup. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 19 09:48:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429F31B3204; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:48:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id akyHnMPlyH-T; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x234.google.com (mail-io0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 214851B3247; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by iouu10 with SMTP id u10so98734255iou.0; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:48:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7yon8JJibqXV7nixrtxHWCSK7fv0pQ/tIxQn5/5KSrU=; b=dxv/P5TZtE6PWifAqH6R7GrtkXVWgMk+k4s9HxNwBoEbXqj0gye3Vk8/Ist624UKPz HlqyI8ANX63wXd5rW6AJ+SMVSrWMQBOgQeNOc5CP3WC0eSzn+aekteJj1zBBwEFtRSIW W3CipIlJE+VOtVP3O8eZleD5lPQ8aPWOan4DUF0CVMusoQsKKwlio5lYZgWc2i+QORmo g2nZmbKUGK2YO7/VbNowfcsFRnMJSEYFg+UYCQCWkm2eq+Q39m8FJbiROOWnVODw9AnN csaozBvhxMQqRtPA7XW4W+J3p0x7lamWJc2JHOtntEw0bjg2cW4RGe9oZU/iS2asPOc1 Xl6w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.26.140 with SMTP id a134mr7183398ioa.155.1447955321311; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:48:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: dhruvdhody@gmail.com X-Google-Sender-Delegation: dhruvdhody@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.249.5 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:48:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151119173736.22503.72968.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20151119173736.22503.72968.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 23:18:41 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: svo7f176s5jeHWhH2Nu0Vw-zWWM Message-ID: From: Dhruv Dhody To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113fe55693da210524e85ec6 Archived-At: Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "Xialiang \(Frank\)" , "dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" , Barry Leiba , Brian E Carpenter , Spencer Dawkins at IETF Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:48:44 -0000 --001a113fe55693da210524e85ec6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi WG, All, This update takes care of the IANA, Gen-Art, Sec-Dir, and IESG reviews. Please let me know if you have any concern. Regards, Dhruv On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:07 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and > Signaling Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation > Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) > Authors : Dhruv Dhody > Udayasree Palle > Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy > Ramon Casellas > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2015-11-19 > > Abstract: > The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) > specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching > (GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to > be explicitly included in a path setup. Further Exclude Routes > extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be > explicitly excluded in a path setup. > > This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4-Byte > Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) area > during path setup. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --001a113fe55693da210524e85ec6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi WG, All,

This update takes care of the IANA, Gen-Art, Sec-Dir, and IESG r= eviews.=C2=A0
Please let me know if you h= ave any concern.=C2=A0

Regards,
Dhruv
=

On Th= u, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:07 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and= Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering = (RSVP-TE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Dhru= v Dhody
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Udayasree Palle
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ramon Casellas
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2015-11-19

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-= TE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switchin= g
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resourc= es to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be explicitly included in a path setup.=C2=A0 Further Exclude = Routes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0explicitly excluded in a path setup.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4= -Byte
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) are= a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0during path setup.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org= /rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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--001a113fe55693da210524e85ec6-- From nobody Thu Nov 19 19:39:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA52B1A8A08; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:39:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.10.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151120033926.30307.10064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:39:26 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:39:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF. Title : Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Authors : Dhruv Dhody Udayasree Palle Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy Ramon Casellas Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2015-11-19 Abstract: The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching (GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly included in a path setup. Further Exclude Routes extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be explicitly excluded in a path setup. This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4-Byte Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) area during path setup. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 19 19:50:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518F41A8A64 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:50:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MQUp8ksiU0lG for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x22c.google.com (mail-io0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 338361A8A5A for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:50:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by ioir85 with SMTP id r85so111652726ioi.1 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:50:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=7atVBNk9184ue3ANRPLETA4TqzRqUyvkkQqAk3cVal8=; b=snvEvfAz2wAHwyIOF1TEpd0i5MV9Y9KwzvhHxsMC02p+jH0tGdhPOhe2JisV6+AF9C ZKiM3ELm7jCr9sTMZOwRtdFT+APnZvdLP+bvd/uxkBad67jToycXiXB2By4PLATna4ug 4q06WKixH7fDaMqoTrRKdpAl4DKwuBF1NRhQtwGETMEY46CkUwaNCMguyojGc0pOiX2j JjaJkJCBEWIfUqaWwd4QsF5LTGBmHa+jnpFr5gHm7IoTnwn/xcYfZbdd+W8sNdhoxB/T u2xAxjcTE7OlK+g2SSn3k88Mx5bOp4RQcaLm7FfhsxlLt9ci2cahNf24ls/43dB+X2h2 icig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.24 with SMTP id n24mr12108922ioe.21.1447991405298; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:50:05 -0800 (PST) Sender: dhruvdhody@gmail.com X-Google-Sender-Delegation: dhruvdhody@gmail.com Received: by 10.50.249.5 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:50:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151120033926.30307.10064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20151120033926.30307.10064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:20:05 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: gFytEHYFKd2zkjJNOUz00WJn1WM Message-ID: From: Dhruv Dhody To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141bc5c59c9ec0524f0c55b Archived-At: Cc: Barry Leiba , "dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:50:09 -0000 --001a1141bc5c59c9ec0524f0c55b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, A small update in the IANA section for the registry URL as per the IANA preference. Thanks! Dhruv On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:09 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and > Signaling Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation > Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) > Authors : Dhruv Dhody > Udayasree Palle > Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy > Ramon Casellas > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2015-11-19 > > Abstract: > The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) > specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching > (GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to > be explicitly included in a path setup. Further Exclude Routes > extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be > explicitly excluded in a path setup. > > This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4-Byte > Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) area > during path setup. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --001a1141bc5c59c9ec0524f0c55b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,=C2=A0

A small update in the IANA section for the registry URL as per the= IANA preference.=C2=A0

Thanks!= =C2=A0
Dhruv


On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9= :09 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and= Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering = (RSVP-TE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Dhru= v Dhody
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Udayasree Palle
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ramon Casellas
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2015-11-19

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-= TE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switchin= g
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resourc= es to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be explicitly included in a path setup.=C2=A0 Further Exclude = Routes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0explicitly excluded in a path setup.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4= -Byte
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) are= a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0during path setup.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org= /rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-05


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

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ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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--001a1141bc5c59c9ec0524f0c55b-- From nobody Fri Nov 20 08:35:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869351B385F; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:35:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UQ2sEDHVBB4l; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x22f.google.com (mail-vk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55E081B3855; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by vkay187 with SMTP id y187so969621vka.3; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:35:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=iPeLgUV7ou15U5DmhaLDOx9y1oZRu6ZVCEgshYYSrS0=; b=cTNAdWNx46yKCCIHChaVO4Q1fNgQd6JNg/n4Ml94ygx9TR9Y6n93KRVC/sSSEN09dt Tq0mbVQEn02eZIyKLttnrSMdExtYu5mYgGpNVv/4RyyiF+4JedeTIuKFML6Ohwz9aCvr 6CBDo9jxKQLupdeoGc4Idmb++S9IcP0DjRLSRldEEqHPU4B4//mbfjjV3+CPVN6stMLq faY+0PqAtVOh2wlU8HzsqUy477nic8PF3PhtA14XPExSbHy4suqYenr0PbU7j58JkjLu St/fhO7mpWfgFOtgRwUvvk4Cw5sipEjsQm7HtaetbkvSjpESd9tgQfvhlljopNuwOo3d +V0w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.12.77 with SMTP id 74mr236517vkm.28.1448037325509; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.149.79 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:35:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20151119173736.22503.72968.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:35:25 -0600 Message-ID: From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF To: Dhruv Dhody Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11450586689e7f0524fb76e6 Archived-At: Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "TEAS WG \(teas@ietf.org\)" , "Xialiang \(Frank\)" , "dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" , Barry Leiba , Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:35:28 -0000 --001a11450586689e7f0524fb76e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Dhruv, On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Dhruv Dhody wrote: > Hi WG, All, > > This update takes care of the IANA, Gen-Art, Sec-Dir, and IESG reviews. > Please let me know if you have any concern. > The change I suggested looks good. Thank you. Spencer > > Regards, > Dhruv > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:07 PM, wrote: > >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and >> Signaling Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation >> Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) >> Authors : Dhruv Dhody >> Udayasree Palle >> Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy >> Ramon Casellas >> Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt >> Pages : 18 >> Date : 2015-11-19 >> >> Abstract: >> The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) >> specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching >> (GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to >> be explicitly included in a path setup. Further Exclude Routes >> extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be >> explicitly excluded in a path setup. >> >> This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4-Byte >> Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) area >> during path setup. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >> > > --001a11450586689e7f0524fb76e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Dhruv,

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Dhruv Dhody &= lt;dhruv.ietf@gma= il.com> wrote:
Hi WG, All,

This update takes care= of the IANA, Gen-Art, Sec-Dir, and IESG reviews.=C2=A0
Please le= t me know if you have any concern.=C2=A0

The change I suggested looks good. Thank you.
Spencer
=C2=A0

Regards,
Dhruv

On Thu, N= ov 19, 2015 at 11:07 PM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> = wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and= Signaling Working Group of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering = (RSVP-TE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Dhru= v Dhody
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Udayasree Palle
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ramon Casellas
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2015-11-19

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-= TE)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switchin= g
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resourc= es to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0be explicitly included in a path setup.=C2=A0 Further Exclude = Routes
=C2=A0 =C2=A0extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0explicitly excluded in a path setup.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4= -Byte
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) are= a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0during path setup.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org= /rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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--001a11450586689e7f0524fb76e6-- From nobody Fri Nov 20 13:49:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17C91B3E9F for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:49:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.666 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.666 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XEFSfxDZWh61 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DFB571B3E87 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8231 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 2015 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2015 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id jxou1r00q2SSUrH01xoxKv; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:48:57 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=VOBOwb/X c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=KbI6QGD2yHSHEFnk1NIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=3cXApLNQ3McA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=+t7UAsD3vQqw1BA8tdvh2EnKHF0JjzrMD3elm8mP6UI=; b=YEWKXbp621k04p94sWLAofygj4ruavDCdgnj1E/LBxiQq0A4FiRKkGe6CTKsGQGDf4H8t1ukzhYooNaokp0On9brR4Oj0Napc0r0CxmRf+uVXjmEkCvL/g3S30zdPfG+; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:48874 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZztY8-0002RS-0A for teas@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:48:56 -0700 To: TEAS WG From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <564F9541.6010807@labn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:48:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Draft IETF94 minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 21:49:04 -0000 All, Thanks to our note takers: Jon Hardwick, Haomian Zheng, and Matt Hartley we have uploaded draft minutes to https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-teas If you have changes you'd like to see made. Please send comments to the list *and* make the changes to the etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-teas Thank you, Lou and Pavan From nobody Sun Nov 22 09:32:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DBC1A7014; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:25:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KmPZqb5JFvMk; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70E211A7013; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by ioc74 with SMTP id 74so110950262ioc.2; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:25:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pncj2x0QSX3CUbpsjhzXrRBv79HX8czagb2nTEZKV8M=; b=DzTcejzDCq7YmvVTLfABY6f6kINC2GruFgTMectwFFgiFbdyLyNgMx/4Y4B2nCN75K IOIT4K6otQCxQo1PNv8RT21UNC0KI+A/X+Q+b4OPCDzmdl1lyVllsBgfqzCp7qZYQ2Ry uyLZck0ETzQjyJu21cH+T6i9kh5flLDs7awRl82fiGz8ilS0sZJQVJ/5sywEWi3OFIXr ay8mYk3V0xgsOKQ+UlAEjmXewQ8mWeEQm8fMXTLZfbcZcQfWZAf7VssZS82hFn7f+tm3 Ksz25G9o21h20FY6kk9iZzPqQerWGQ0GPjrJGxDp6Er/cL0czLKVI/r7AeJaYz8DPlUw 5OEw== X-Received: by 10.107.3.226 with SMTP id e95mr11679402ioi.76.1447989920581; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.3.190] ([97.65.203.35]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h64sm4584116ioh.41.2015.11.19.19.25.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:25:19 -0800 (PST) To: Dhruv Dhody , "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" References: <20151119173736.22503.72968.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <564E92A7.2040105@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:25:27 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 09:32:18 -0800 Cc: "Xialiang \(Frank\)" , Barry Leiba , "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" , Spencer Dawkins at IETF Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:25:23 -0000 This works for me, thanks. Regards Brian Carpenter On 20/11/2015 06:48, Dhruv Dhody wrote: > Hi WG, All, > > This update takes care of the IANA, Gen-Art, Sec-Dir, and IESG reviews. > Please let me know if you have any concern. > > Regards, > Dhruv > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:07 PM, wrote: > >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and >> Signaling Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : Domain Subobjects for Resource ReserVation >> Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) >> Authors : Dhruv Dhody >> Udayasree Palle >> Venugopal Reddy Kondreddy >> Ramon Casellas >> Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04.txt >> Pages : 18 >> Date : 2015-11-19 >> >> Abstract: >> The Resource ReserVation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) >> specification and the Generalized Multiprotocol Label Switching >> (GMPLS) extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to >> be explicitly included in a path setup. Further Exclude Routes >> extensions to RSVP-TE allow abstract nodes and resources to be >> explicitly excluded in a path setup. >> >> This document specifies new subobjects to include or exclude 4-Byte >> Autonomous System (AS) and Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) area >> during path setup. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects/ >> >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-te-domain-subobjects-04 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >> > From nobody Mon Nov 30 05:07:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA361AC3B0 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:07:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z00ZjRuEEiTW for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x235.google.com (mail-vk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C78D41AC414 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by vkay187 with SMTP id y187so101172564vka.3 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:07:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IDGIKsMzVw34intRuV37rydEHHehHOokBSZ4YGe6TJI=; b=y/PQ5l3GmWIKXWp9d4lsvPKoqNuJ8aT6h2IrEiWBnFArPyw9vfqcCWJ/IgkBHYK5Fm iB32kvf1XIVYln9QJDOHtfWco27+l2lHnA5ojQiQdodSNc/iWnYZxegvi8zSP+3WtO7q l6Y5hbBtxuYZqCCcylUEyKm9YT53n/SbxCBXhaLL9VOeCVSEy+s8ShtpK9gTi05q3Wj3 RgZ/0LWTyc6nrUaxO3Uqt+ZJapzDCuvr76AUjAcbbiSmzj28nAR9lTGStvwh7DV6Y3yJ LdRk7MJj3PtEE7sxUhiRI1uuzc4jHsZL/MvPso0yGYrYf+7Lo69KdwwipFCclYjI5Y5e /LuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.54.78 with SMTP id d75mr53516482vka.122.1448888825960; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.138.9 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:07:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 08:07:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram To: "teas@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143e41cca60700525c1b787 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:07:12 -0000 --001a1143e41cca60700525c1b787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The WG LC for this document is now closed. Authors, There were some questions/comments raised during the LC. Please discuss them on the mailing list and publish an update if necessary. Regards, -Pavan (and Lou). On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > All, > This starts a three-week (adding an extra week since this period overlaps > with the IETF-94 meeting) working group last call on > > (http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/). > > The working group last call ends on Tuesday, November 17. Please send > your comments to the TEAS mailing list. > > As is always the case, positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this > document and > believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and > important, even from authors. > > Note, IPR has been disclosed on this draft. > > Thanks, > Pavan (and Lou) > --001a1143e41cca60700525c1b787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The WG LC for this document is now clo= sed.

Authors,
There were some questions/comments raised dur= ing the LC. Please discuss them on the mailing list and publish an update i= f necessary.

Regards,
-Pavan (and Lou).

On Tue, Oct 27,= 2015 at 12:57 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:

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Thank you for your answers. I= 'll use this thread of discussion to review and comment on the latest versi= on of the document. I believe that we were discussing -02 version and the most current is -04. = Thus I've reviewed changes from -02 through -04 versions. Please find my co= mments and questions below: * Source Detects Failure I cannot agree with several assertions and statements made in this section: o the source node (S in Fig.1) detects failure not just of R1 but S-R1 pa= th. The text "the backup ingress MUST use a method to reliably detect the f= ailure of the primary ingress" concentrates only of failure of the R1, thus= excluding failure of S-R1 path; o Similar omission seen in the last paragraph that concentrates only on s= cenario when R1 fails and excludes scenario when path S-R1 does fail even t= hough from the perspective of S these are equally defects; o And it is not obvious why discussion of monitoring role of the backup i= ngress located in this section. * Backup and Source Detect Failure o as noted earlier, the backup ingress has no means to reliably detect fa= ilure of S-R1 path. Thus state of the LSP from S perspective and Ra may not= be the same without explicit protocol similar to Protection Switchover Coo= rdination [RFC6378]. * Failure Detection and Refresh PATH Messages o as noted earlier, the backup ingress cannot "accurately detect that the= ingress node has failed" for all the cases where the Source detects a fail= ure. o * several new places now use normative SHOULD, e.g. section Revert = to Primary Ingress: If "Revert to Primary Ingress" is desired for a protected LSP, the (primary) ingress of the LSP SHOULD re-signal the LSP that starts from the primary ingress after the primary ingress restores. Is there an alternative to re-signaling the LSP? After the LSP is re-signaled successfully, the traffic SHOULD be switche= d back to the primary ingress from the backup ingress on the source node and redirected into the LSP starting from the primary ingress. Similarly, is there alternative to switching traffic back to the primary af= ter the LSP been re-signaled successfully? * Security Considerations I believe that the Source-Detect approach introduces several security conce= rns that were not in scope of RFC 4090. For example, the Source required to= monitor S-R1 path thus increasing, if not opening possibility of DDoS atta= ck. Regards, Greg From: Huaimo Chen [mailto:huaimo.chen@huawei.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:27 AM To: Gregory Mirsky; draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection@tools.ietf.org<= mailto:draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection@tools.ietf.org>; teas-chairs= @ietf.org; teas@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org; rtg-bfd@ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection Hi Greg, Thanks for your comments. My answers/explanations are inline below with [Huaimo 2]. Best Regards, Huaimo From: Gregory Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:58 PM To: Huaimo Chen; draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection@tools.ietf.org; teas-chairs@ie= tf.org; teas@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org; rtg-bfd@ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection Hi Huaimo, thank you for kind consideration of my comments. Please find more in-lined = and tagged GIM>> notes. Regards, Greg From: Huaimo Chen [mailto:huaimo.chen@huawei.com] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:04 AM To: Gregory Mirsky; draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection@tools.ietf.org<= mailto:draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection@tools.ietf.org>; teas-chairs= @ietf.org; teas@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org; rtg-bfd@ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection Hi Greg, Thanks for your comments. My answers/explanations are inline below. Best Regards, Huaimo From: mpls [mailto:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Mirsky Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:04 AM To: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection@tools.ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf.org; teas@ietf.org Cc: mpls@ietf.org; rtg-bfd@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection Dear Editors, chairs, WG community, please find my comments to the current version of your work below: * Introduction o The first paragraph may leave an impression that local protection of tr= ansit LSRs is not being already addressed, neither by RFC 4090, nor RFC 487= 5; [Huaimo] Will revise it accordingly. o I think that "global protection" is not commonly used term, "end-to-end= protection" seems to be commonly used instead. [Huaimo] It seems that "global protection" is better here since we mentione= d "local protection" here. It seems that Global Protection is used often. * Section 3.1 o Third paragraph contains the following requirement: "For a P2P LSP, after the primary ingress fails, the backup ingress must us= e a method to reliably detect the failure of the primary ingress before the= PATH message for the LSP expires at the next hop of the primary ingress." But that is not obvious that such requirement is really needed. Since this = is RSVP-TE LSP, why not to use MP2MP construct and let the Source node to c= ontrol switchover. Especially since, as noted in the last paragraph of Sect= ion 2.1, primary and backup ingress nodes must be connected by a logical li= nk, which in general case will be a tunnel. Thus this solution puts a requi= rement, implicitly though, to instantiate a tunnel per protection group, tu= nnel that would not be used to carry traffic. [Huaimo] The requirement above seems necessary. If the backup ingress does = not detect the failure of the primary ingress before the timer for the PATH= message for the LSP at the next hop of the primary ingress expires, the LS= P will be down after the primary ingress fails. If the backup ingress detec= ts the failure and sends/refreshes the PATH message to the next hop before = the timer expires after the primary egress fails, the LSP will continue bei= ng up and carry the traffic from the backup ingress via the backup LSP. For a P2P LSP, it seems that MP2MP construct is not used in RFC 4090 to pro= tect a transit node of a P2P LSP. The logical link between the primary ingr= ess and the backup ingress can be a direct link or a tunnel. It seems that = a direct link is common. GIM>> I think it is strange to cite requirement on scale of seconds if not = tens of seconds in discussion of method of local protection that supposed t= o perform protection switchover in sub-second if not sub-50msec time. [Huaimo 2] The requirement is for the control plane. More specifically, it = is for the PATH message (not to be cleaned up) for the LSP at the next hop = of the primary ingress of the LSP when the primary ingress fails. After the= primary ingress fails, the next hop will not receive any PATH message from= the primary ingress. In order to prevent the PATH message from clean up at= the next hop, the backup ingress seems required to detect the failure of t= he primary ingress and send/refresh the PATH message to the next hop before= the PATH message is cleaned up. Thus it seems reasonable for the requireme= nt to have the time for detecting the failure of the primary ingress in sec= onds or even tens of seconds instead of sub-seconds or within 50 ms. o In addition, what is importance of requirement quoted above: "... before the PATH message for the LSP expires at the next hop of the pri= mary ingress" [Huaimo] This seems very important. If the timer for the PATH message for t= he LSP at the next hop of the primary egress expires, then the LSP will be = down. So the PATH message must be refreshed before the timer for the PATH m= essage for the LSP expires at the next hop of the primary LSP. GIM>> As noted above, these seem as requirements of different scale. [Huaimo 2] See the explanation above. o Fourth paragraph makes very questionable assumption in: "After the primary ingress fails, it will not be reachable after routing co= nvergence." I believe that if OAM session is between two nodes there's no reliable way = to differentiate between node and link failure. Thus, to declare a node unr= eachable there must be N tunnels for N OAM sessions that monitor all possib= le paths between two nodes. (Note, that if there was no requirement to use = a tunnel between primary and backup ingress, multi-hop BFD could be used th= ough its detection time being limited by IGP convergence, which may be too = slow comparing with your requirement of tens milliseconds). [Huaimo] It is true that "After the primary ingress fails, it will not be r= eachable after routing convergence." From routing's point of view, there i= s no need for us to have any OAM session between two nodes. The timer for a= PATH message seems in tens of seconds. Routing convergence is not limited = to tens of milliseconds. GIM>> Routing convergence may take seconds. Is that acceptable as failure d= etection time for local protection? Protection switchover expected to be fa= st, perhaps on sub-50 msec scale. From TDM world we carry 10 msec failure d= etection, and BFD implementations can support that. but here, it appears, y= ou describe failure detection mechanism with detection time on scale of sec= onds if not tens of seconds. [Huaimo 2] The routing convergence is for the control plane. Refer to the e= xplanation above. * Section 5.1 o Regarding "Ingress local protection in use" flag As demonstrated earlier, backup ingress node has no reliable way to detect = that primary ingress node is not reachable to the Source and thus protectio= n must be activated. [Huaimo] It seems that there is no need for the backup ingress to detect wh= ether the primary ingress is reachable to the Source and the focus is on th= e failure of the primary ingress. GIM>> In that case, the text is not needed either. [Huaimo 2] Can you give more details regarding to "the text is not needed e= ither"? Which part of the text (do you think) is not needed in section 5.1? Considering that backup ingress may initiate described in the document acti= ons not when primary ingress became unavailable to Source, I believe that c= ases that may produce false positives must be removed along with extensions= that intended to support these cases. In my opinion, the only viable case = of ingress protection is Source-centric where Source monitors availability = of both primary and backup ingress nodes and controls traffic switchover. I= 'd ask WG to discuss these comments and, if agreed, ask Editors to make app= ropriate changes to the document. [Huaimo] It seems that the current version already indicates that the sourc= e-detect (i.e., Source detects the failure of the primary ingress and switc= hes traffic to the backup ingress when the primary ingress fails) is used. = There were a few of modes for detecting the failure of the primary ingress= that were proposed in the previous versions of the document. A different m= ode may have a different control on the traffic switch over and/or forwardi= ng. After discussions, the current version selects the source-detect. GIM>> If this is historical part, then it may be moved to Appendix or taken= from the document altogether. [Huaimo 2] A couple of detection modes were removed from the document. One = more will be smoothed out. Thus there will be only one mode in the document= . Can you give more details about the cases in which false positives may be p= roduced? GIM>> If current proposal is limited to Source-detect case only then possi= bility of false positive/negative depends on Source to Ingress connection a= nd OAM mechanism used. But that is deployment issue and is outside of scope= of this document Regards, Greg --_000_7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122194BD8Beusaamb103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Huaimo and authors,=

apologies for the exte= nded period of silence. Thank you for your answers. I’ll use this thr= ead of discussion to review and comment on the latest version of the docume= nt.

I believe that we were= discussing -02 version and the most current is -04. Thus I’ve review= ed changes from -02 through -04 versions. Please find my comments and quest= ions below:

·         Source Detects= Failure

I cannot agree with several assertions and statements made in this sec= tion:

o   the source nod= e (S in Fig.1) detects failure not just of R1 but S-R1 path. The text ̶= 0;the backup ingress MUST use a method to reliably detect the failure of th= e primary ingress” concentrates only of failure of the R1, thus excluding failure of S-R1 path;<= /p>

o   Similar omissi= on seen in the last paragraph that concentrates only on scenario when R1 fa= ils and excludes scenario when path S-R1 does fail even though from the per= spective of S these are equally defects;

o   And it is not = obvious why discussion of monitoring role of the backup ingress located in = this section.

·         Backup and Sou= rce Detect Failure

o   as noted earli= er, the backup ingress has no means to reliably detect failure of S-R1 path= . Thus state of the LSP from S perspective and Ra may not be the same witho= ut explicit protocol similar to Protection Switchover Coordination [RFC6378].

·         Failure Detect= ion and Refresh PATH Messages

o   as noted earli= er, the backup ingress cannot “accurately detect that the ingress nod= e has failed” for all the cases where the Source detects a failure.

o    

·         several new pl= aces now use normative SHOULD, e.g. section Revert to Primary Ingress:=

   If "Revert to Primary Ingress" is desired for = a protected LSP, the

   (primary) ingress of the LSP SHOULD re-signal the LSP th= at starts

   from the primary ingress after the primary ingress resto= res.

Is there an alternative to re-signaling the LSP?

   After the LSP is re-signaled successfully, the traffic S= HOULD be switched

   back to the primary ingress from the backup ingress on t= he source

   node and redirected into the LSP starting from the prima= ry ingress.

Similarly, is there alternative to switching traffic back to the prim= ary after the LSP been re-signaled successfully?

·         Security Consi= derations

I believe that the Source-Detect approach introduces several security= concerns that were not in scope of RFC 4090. For example, the Source requi= red to monitor S-R1 path thus increasing, if not opening possibility of DDoS attack.

 

 

   &nbs= p;            Regard= s,

   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Greg

 

 

From: Huaimo C= hen [mailto:hu= aimo.chen@huawei.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:27 AM
To: Gregory Mirsky; draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-p= rotection@tools.ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf= .org; teas@ietf.org
Cc: mpls@ietf.or= g; rtg-bfd@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protect= ion

 

Hi Greg,

 

Thanks for your comments.

My answers/explanations are inline below with [Huaimo 2].<= /span>

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

From: Gregory = Mirsky [mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:58 PM
To: Huaimo Chen; draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-prot= ection@tools.ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf= .org; teas@ietf.org
Cc: mpls@ietf.or= g; rtg-bfd@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protect= ion

 

Hi Huaimo,<= /span>

thank you for kind con= sideration of my comments. Please find more in-lined and tagged GIM>>= notes.

 

   &nbs= p;            Regard= s,

   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;   Greg

 

From: Huaimo C= hen [mailto:hu= aimo.chen@huawei.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:04 AM
To: Gregory Mirsky; draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-p= rotection@tools.ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf= .org; teas@ietf.org
Cc: mpls@ietf.or= g; rtg-bfd@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protect= ion

 

Hi Greg,

 

Thanks for your comments.

My answers/explanations are inline below.

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

From: mpls [mailt= o:mpls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Mirsky
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 2:04 AM
To: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection@tools.= ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf= .org; teas@ietf.org
Cc: mpls@ietf.or= g; rtg-bfd@ietf.org
Subject: [mpls] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection<= o:p>

 

Dear Editors, chairs, WG community,

please find my comments to the current version of yo= ur work below:

·         Introduction

o   The first paragraph may leave an impression = that local protection of transit LSRs is not being already addressed, neith= er by RFC 4090, nor RFC 4875;

[Huaimo] Will revise i= t accordingly.

o   I think that “global protection”= is not commonly used term, “end-to-end protection” seems to be= commonly used instead.

[Huaimo] It seems that= “global protection” is better here since we mentioned “l= ocal protection” here. It seems that Global Protection is used often.=

·         Section 3.1

o   Third paragraph contains the following requi= rement:

“For a P2P LSP, af= ter the primary ingress fails, the backup ingress must use a method to reli= ably detect the failure of the primary ingress before the PATH message for = the LSP expires at the next hop of the primary ingress.”

But that is not obvious = that such requirement is really needed. Since this is RSVP-TE LSP, why not = to use MP2MP construct and let the Source node to control switchover. Espec= ially since, as noted in the last paragraph of Section 2.1, primary and backup ingress nodes must be connected by a lo= gical link, which in general case will be a tunnel. Thus this solution puts= a requirement, implicitly though, to instantiate a tunnel per protection g= roup, tunnel that would not be used to carry traffic.

[Huaimo] The requireme= nt above seems necessary. If the backup ingress does not detect the failure= of the primary ingress before the timer for the PATH message for the LSP a= t the next hop of the primary ingress expires, the LSP will be down after the primary ingress fails. If the back= up ingress detects the failure and sends/refreshes the PATH message to the = next hop before the timer expires after the primary egress fails, the LSP w= ill continue being up and carry the traffic from the backup ingress via the backup LSP. =

For a P2P LSP, it seem= s that MP2MP construct is not used in RFC 4090 to protect a transit node of= a P2P LSP. The logical link between the primary ingress and the backup ing= ress can be a direct link or a tunnel. It seems that a direct link is common.

GIM>> I think it= is strange to cite requirement on scale of seconds if not tens of seconds = in discussion of method of local protection that supposed to perform protec= tion switchover in sub-second if not sub-50msec time.

[Huaimo 2] The require= ment is for the control plane. More specifically, it is for the PATH messag= e (not to be cleaned up) for the LSP at the next hop of the primary ingress= of the LSP when the primary ingress fails. After the primary ingress fails, the next hop will not receive any = PATH message from the primary ingress. In order to prevent the PATH message= from clean up at the next hop, the backup ingress seems required to detect= the failure of the primary ingress and send/refresh the PATH message to the next hop before the PATH message = is cleaned up. Thus it seems reasonable for the requirement to have the tim= e for detecting the failure of the primary ingress in seconds or even tens = of seconds instead of sub-seconds or within 50 ms.

 

o   In addition, what is importance of requireme= nt quoted above:

“… before th= e PATH message for the LSP expires at the next hop of the primary ingress&#= 8221;

[Huaimo] This seems ve= ry important. If the timer for the PATH message for the LSP at the next hop= of the primary egress expires, then the LSP will be down. So the PATH mess= age must be refreshed before the timer for the PATH message for the LSP expires at the next hop of the primary LS= P.

GIM>> As noted a= bove, these seem as requirements of different scale.

[Huaimo 2] See the exp= lanation above.

 

o   Fourth paragraph makes very questionable ass= umption in:

“After the primary= ingress fails, it will not be reachable after routing convergence.”<= o:p>

I believe that if OAM se= ssion is between two nodes there’s no reliable way to differentiate b= etween node and link failure. Thus, to declare a node unreachable there mus= t be N tunnels for N OAM sessions that monitor all possible paths between two nodes. (Note, that if there was no requirem= ent to use a tunnel between primary and backup ingress, multi-hop BFD could= be used though its detection time being limited by IGP convergence, which = may be too slow comparing with your requirement of tens milliseconds).

[Huaimo] It is true th= at “After the primary ingress fails, it will not be reachable after r= outing convergence.”  From routing’s point of view, there = is no need for us to have any OAM session between two nodes. The timer for a PATH message seems in tens of seconds. Routing convergence= is not limited to tens of milliseconds.

GIM>> Routing co= nvergence may take seconds. Is that acceptable as failure detection time fo= r local protection? Protection switchover expected to be fast, perhaps on s= ub-50 msec scale. From TDM world we carry 10 msec failure detection, and BFD implementations can support that. but h= ere, it appears, you describe failure detection mechanism with detection ti= me on scale of seconds if not tens of seconds.

[Huaimo 2] The routing= convergence is for the control plane. Refer to the explanation above.=

 

·         Section 5.1

o   Regarding “Ingress local protection in= use” flag

As demonstrated earlier,= backup ingress node has no reliable way to detect that primary ingress nod= e is not reachable to the Source and thus protection must be activated.

[Huaimo] It seems that= there is no need for the backup ingress to detect whether the primary ingr= ess is reachable to the Source and the focus is on the failure of the prima= ry ingress.

GIM>> In that ca= se, the text is not needed either.

[Huaimo 2] Can you giv= e more details regarding to “the text is not needed either”? Wh= ich part of the text (do you think) is not needed in section 5.1?

 

Considering that backup ingress may initiate describ= ed in the document actions not when primary ingress became unavailable to S= ource, I believe that cases that may produce false positives must be remove= d along with extensions that intended to support these cases. In my opinion, the only viable case of ingress pro= tection is Source-centric where Source monitors availability of both primar= y and backup ingress nodes and controls traffic switchover. I’d ask W= G to discuss these comments and, if agreed, ask Editors to make appropriate changes to the document.

[Huaimo] It seems that= the current version already indicates that the source-detect (i.e., Source= detects the failure of the primary ingress and switches traffic to the bac= kup ingress when the primary ingress fails) is used.  There were a few of modes for detecting the failure = of the primary ingress that were proposed in the previous versions of the d= ocument. A different mode may have a different control on the traffic switc= h over and/or forwarding.  After discussions, the current version selects the source-detect.

GIM>> If this is= historical part, then it may be moved to Appendix or taken from the docume= nt altogether.

[Huaimo 2] A couple of= detection modes were removed from the document. One more will be smoothed = out. Thus there will be only one mode in the document.

 

Can you give more deta= ils about the cases in which false positives may be produced?

GIM>> If current= proposal is limited to Source-detect case only  then possibility of f= alse positive/negative depends on Source to Ingress connection and OAM mech= anism used. But that is deployment issue and is outside of scope of this document

 

        &nbs= p;       Regards,

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