From nobody Tue Jan 5 00:24:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19E41B2C5F for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:24:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2lfZu-2Qscg2 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:24:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 884391B2BBA for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 00:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CGJ07102; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 08:24:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.104) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:24:18 +0000 Received: from NKGEML406-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.37) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:24:18 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.230]) by nkgeml406-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.37]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:24:11 +0800 From: "Zhuangyan (Yan)" To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: [Teas] possible approaches for advanced resource scheduling Thread-Index: AdFHknNcwNuzZTNaT5u5zb/kCTaj+A== Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 08:24:10 +0000 Message-ID: <9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785941B7B97@nkgeml513-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.170.230] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785941B7B97nkgeml513mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020204.568B7DB3.011D, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.2.230, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 7441d8c50c97e7c1c5fd69a02ae8ea81 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] possible approaches for advanced resource scheduling X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 08:24:24 -0000 --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785941B7B97nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all, Best wishes for the new Year, 2016. Per discussions at IETF 94, the group had a consensus that we were more int= erested in focusing on a preferably single approach on this problem rather = than all possible approaches. To have a *single* approach for the problem, it may be good to have a discu= ssion on possible approaches through the mailing list first. The key point/main difference of possible approaches is where to hold the s= cheduling state. For the centralized approach, the state is held in a centr= al controller where decisions about resource allocation are made. Alternati= vely, in the distributed approach, the state is held on network nodes where= the resources exist. With this difference, the two approaches act differently when operating in = the system. I summarized and compared their respective activities in advanc= ed resource scheduling as below: Operations Held in the Network nodes Held in the central controller Request/allocation/scheduling resources The resource reservation can be processed on many points, and is also corre= lated at the point where the resources are allocated. Easy. Controller is in charge of allocating/scheduling/responding to reques= ts. Scaling each network node must retain the full time-based state for all of its reso= urces. The controller must retain the state information for its network segment. Maintenance of the state the scheduling state information is held on the network nodes and must also= be advertised in the IGP and periodically refreshed by the IGP. In a multiple controller environment, state should be synchronized among co= ntrollers. Recovery every nodes should provide storage/fault recovery capability for the schedu= ling state, which costs more. the state must be held and restored on the control point(s). According to the comparison, we believe a central approach with few protoco= l extension and less cost is better for this case. Please feel free to shar= e your thoughts and comments. Thanks. Best Regards, Yan --_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785941B7B97nkgeml513mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, all,

 

Best wishes for the new Year, 2= 016.

 

Per discussions at IETF 94, the= group had a consensus that we were more interested in focusing on a prefer= ably single approach on this problem rather than all possible approaches.

To have a *single* appro= ach for the problem, it may be good to have a discussion on possible approa= ches through the mailing list first.

 

The key point/main difference o= f possible approaches is where to hold the scheduling state. For the centra= lized approach, the state is held in a central controller where decisions a= bout resource allocation are made. Alternatively, in the distributed approach, the state is held on network nodes where the = resources exist.

 

With this difference, the two a= pproaches act differently when operating in the system. I summarized and co= mpared their respective activities in advanced resource scheduling as below= :

 

Operations

Held in the Network nodes<= o:p>

Held in the central controller

Request/allocation/scheduling resources

The resource reservation can be= processed on many points, and is also correlated at the point where the re= sources are allocated.

Easy. Controller is in charge o= f allocating/scheduling/responding to requests.

Scaling

each network node must retain t= he full time-based state for all of its resources.

The controller must retain the = state information for its network segment.

Maintenance of the state

the scheduling state informatio= n is held on the network nodes and must also be advertised in the IGP and p= eriodically refreshed by the IGP.

In a multiple controller enviro= nment, state should be synchronized among controllers.

Recovery

every nodes should provide stor= age/fault recovery capability for the scheduling state, which costs more.

the state must be held and rest= ored on the control point(s).

 

According to the comparison, we= believe a central approach with few protocol extension and less cost is be= tter for this case. Please feel free to share your thoughts and comments. T= hanks.

 

Best Regards,=

 

Yan

 

--_000_9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785941B7B97nkgeml513mbschi_-- From nobody Tue Jan 5 07:40:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4171A87E3; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:40:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160105154058.26922.88627.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 07:40:58 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-03.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:40:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF. Title : Resource ReserVation Protocol-Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) Path Diversity using Exclude Route Authors : Zafar Ali George Swallow Fatai Zhang Dieter Beller Filename : draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-03.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2016-01-05 Abstract: RFC 4874 specifies methods by which path exclusions can be communicated during RSVP-TE signaling in networks where precise explicit paths are not computed by the LSP source node. This document specifies procedures for additional route exclusion subobject based on Paths currently existing or expected to exist within the network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jan 5 07:56:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBAD1A8828; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46QH1ioqY4dc; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88B681A8825; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 07:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.5.2.65]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 4BBCBE8CA9539; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:56:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.48]) by us70uusmtp3.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u05FuICJ006888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:56:18 GMT Received: from [135.224.2.68] (135.5.27.18) by US70UWXCHHUB01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (135.5.2.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:56:17 -0500 To: Lou Berger , TEAS WG References: <563027AA.2040809@labn.net> From: Dieter Beller Organization: Alcatel-Lucent Message-ID: <568BE79E.5070705@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:56:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <563027AA.2040809@labn.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [135.5.27.18] Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] Comments on draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-02 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:56:27 -0000 Hi Lou, TEAS WG,

Happy New Year!

we just submitted draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-03 because the 02-version was about to expire pretty soon.

The 03-version is just a "refresh" and does not yet address Lou's comments below, which we will address shortly before we will upload a
further update. When this new version will be available, we may move forward to WG LC presuming the comments below are adequately
addressed.


Thanks,
Dieter and co-editors


On 28.10.2015 02:40, Lou Berger wrote:
Hello,
	As part of Shepherding draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity I have reviewed
this document and have some comments/questions.  Most of my
comments/questions are editorial/minor in nature.

First some general questions:

- You define a number of "Notify Error" subcodes, but only sometimes say
what the upstream node should do.  I think this needs to be covered in
all cases. You might find RFC5710 a helpful reference.

- Separate DI type values are defined for V4 and V6. As DI type is
defined with address family specific subobject, there appears to be no
technical basis for this.  Am I missing something, i.e., is there any
reason to have AF specific values rather than just defining 1-3 in an AF
family agnostic values?

- Assuming you make the previous change you can also combine the
respective object/field definitions along the lines of what you have in
section 2.3. This will have better consistency for the objects and the
document.

I have the following editorial/minor comments:

- ID nits, see
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity-02.txt
, has 3 warnings that need to be addressed.

Line numbers are from the idnits URL

- Section 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 contain definitions of fields defined in other
documents.  These should be replaced with simple references to the
original definition rather than being repeated.  Interestingly, Section
2.3 already does this.

- Section 2.1.1, line 443.  Drop the word "border" as it applies to any
node performing the expansion

- Section 2.1.1.. lines 470/1.  Doesn't the "Note:" apply to all

- Section 2.1.1., Section 2. PAS - as this document defines PAS there
should be some guidance and/or guidelines for their creation and use.
For example, one may conclude that PAS need to get propagated similar to
SRLGs - but I'm sure this isn't the current intent.

Section 2.2. What happens when a processing node encounters and unknown
DI type?  This should be documented.

Line 703: s/EN/a node/

Lines 716,720.  As this is a procedures section shouldn't conformance
language be used rather than "shall" and "do not need"?

Line 821: S/PSR/Path_State_Removed flag (PSR) [RFC3473]

Section 2.3.  Are the error subcodes the same for XRO and EXRS
processing? I suspect not.

I think that's it.  I think it makes sense to resolve these prior to
last call so that folks can review a version that is slightly more ready
for publication.

Lou

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From nobody Tue Jan 5 08:21:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EF71AC442; Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:44:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160104224401.11904.83845.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:44:01 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 08:21:00 -0800 Cc: lberger@labn.net, teas-chairs@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, db3546@att.com Subject: [Teas] teas - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 22:44:02 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Lou Berger, a Chair of the teas working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: ccamp pce mpls rtgwg detnet netmod Second Priority: idr i2rs spring ospf Third Priority: bess nvo3 l3sm pals Special Requests: other conflicts - IRTF RRG, RTG BOFs --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jan 5 18:33:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262661A8971; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:33:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ki5Qm6HYCfLo; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x22c.google.com (mail-vk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E266B1A89B0; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id k1so149674945vkb.2; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:32:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=sFN9AZX+R+6r9cxsQppvynt2L7H2AFGMnwUgzdB9oZM=; b=DLZS9OqRmqv1MrQjNHKriRzqiNl5/lzaG4ktSu85jMaoZi7hoVw+erN/tuqMyxegvD JjcfM3QHggvLvIEgFCakOCgu0clWC5IPFPuuomPfMOePme49E4Bvr9777y8Z3aeRjBV/ u2afHVMBiWszvCwCllnaaFF3X0dSCpweNhmlWZJ3lunkWS0ztzuYuiZa+QOZGYxYaTaV 1JGhXvVlBQiCt1GXCZLr6tBa2Qw9c728MQOXHurCKJjL/COZFxbechwkovs7bDsVr7Cw PJiVMHxYKK4+UuSy/7tjeKxI7ecElulDYCvlxS5evX6q3isZ61M7BCmKyQ/MyPrjozt1 piqg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.155.23 with SMTP id d23mr59640486vke.146.1452047575794; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.193.84 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:32:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 21:32:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram To: "teas@ietf.org" , teas-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11426686f3ccb40528a12b17 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting (before IETF-95) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 02:33:00 -0000 --001a11426686f3ccb40528a12b17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, Hi! Happy New Year!! We=E2=80=99d like the TEAS WG to hold a virtual interim meeting before IETF= -95 to cover the following topic - "RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection=E2=80=9D -- target meeting the= week of 25 January 2015 (with a second meeting possible if needed): The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two alternatives contained in . A secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on , and gauge WG consensus on both drafts. The following doodle poll will aid in selecting the exact date/time for this meeting: http://doodle.com/poll/7g4st77huxv66z2d Regards, Pavan and Lou. --001a11426686f3ccb40528a12b17 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks, Hi!

Happy New Year!!

We=E2=80= =99d like the TEAS WG to hold a virtual interim meeting before IETF-95 to c= over the following topic -

"RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress = Protection=E2=80=9D -- target meeting the week
of 25 January 2015 (wi= th a second meeting possible if needed):
The main purpose of the meeting = is to help select one of the two alternatives contained in <draft-ietf-t= eas-rsvp-ingress-protection>. A secondary purpose is to facilitate furth= er discussion on <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection>, and gauge = WG consensus on both drafts.

The following doodle poll will aid in= selecting the exact date/time for this meeting:=C2=A0http://doodle.com/poll/7g4st77huxv66z2d
<= br>
Regards,
Pavan and Lou.

--001a11426686f3ccb40528a12b17-- From nobody Fri Jan 8 05:09:23 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50751ADBF8; Fri, 8 Jan 2016 04:58:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160108125829.16230.8712.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 04:58:29 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 05:09:08 -0800 Cc: lberger@labn.net, teas-chairs@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, db3546@att.com Subject: [Teas] teas - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 12:58:30 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Lou Berger, a Chair of the teas working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours, 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: ccamp pce mpls rtgwg detnet netmod Second Priority: idr i2rs spring ospf Third Priority: bess nvo3 l3sm pals isis Special Requests: other conflicts - IRTF RRG, RTG BOFs Note: the second session is a joint meeting with MPLS (and tentatively PCE) --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Jan 13 18:06:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B511B29DC; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:06:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UR4q1OubKJkj; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88B811B29DB; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CCX25581; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:06:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LHREML705-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:06:03 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.73) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 02:06:03 +0000 Received: from SZXEMA506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.152]) by SZXEMA414-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.73]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:05:52 +0800 From: "Yemin (Amy)" To: CCAMP Thread-Topic: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? 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The TEAS WG will hold a Virtual Interim Meeting on January 28th, 2016 (10:00-11:30 EST / 15:00-16:30 UTC). Topic: RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two alternatives contained in . A secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on , and gauge WG consensus on both drafts. Regards, Pavan and Lou ******************* WebEx Invitation: Hello, TEAS Working Group invites you to join this WebEx meeting. *RSVP Ingress/Egress Protection* Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:00 am | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins *Join WebEx meeting* Meeting number: 649 055 947 Meeting password: INGRESS-EGRESS *Join by phone**1-877-668-4493 <1-877-668-4493>* Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)*1-650-479-3208 <1-650-479-3208>* Call-in toll number (US/Canada)Access code: 649 055 947Toll-free calling restrictions Add this meeting to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.) Can't join the meeting? 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Folks, Hi!
The TEAS WG will hold a Virtual Interim Meeting on January 28t= h, 2016 (10:00-11:30 EST / 15:00-16:30 UTC).

Topic: RSVP = Ingress Protection / Egress Protection

The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two=20 alternatives contained in=20 <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection>. A secondary purpose is=20 to facilitate further discussion on=20 <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection>, and gauge WG consensus=20 on both drafts.

Regards,
Pavan and Lou

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auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160115174742.18305.27873.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:47:42 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting: RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection - January 28, 2016 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: teas@ietf.org List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 17:47:42 -0000 The Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling (teas) working group will hold a Virtual Interim Meeting on January 28th, 2016 (10:00-11:30 EST / 15:00-16:30 UTC). Topic: RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two alternatives contained in . A secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on , and gauge WG consensus on both drafts. Regards, Pavan and Lou ******************* WebEx Invitation: Hello, TEAS Working Group invites you to join this WebEx meeting. *RSVP Ingress/Egress Protection* Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:00 am | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) | 1 hr 30 mins *Join WebEx meeting* Meeting number: 649 055 947 Meeting password: INGRESS-EGRESS *Join by phone**1-877-668-4493 <1-877-668-4493>* Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)*1-650-479-3208 <1-650-479-3208>* Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 649 055 947 Toll-free calling restrictions Add this meeting to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.) Can't join the meeting? Contact support. 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From nobody Fri Jan 15 13:17:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A801B32A3 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:17:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.767 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.767 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snV7--p4Tf9h for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 186B31B32A0 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25292 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 2016 21:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2016 21:17:21 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id 6MHG1s00b2SSUrH01MHKzY; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:17:19 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=dqRIVTQ4 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=kdItZAch8tnu1Sppl-MA:9 a=nagluMpGCWvmP9jq:21 a=rV7wjLqym_JmFhnY:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=N9mWiQK5nHF7D7Rr3HBFiiAm6PxRldHeov6mgA585eo=; b=xOYD86GTft+QWnIgDpSX8o5prOlR/e5azoaq2kRFm/giJYjWgc93YP5l+y5tfpXg49IDxVwSeXdvXd3848C2kYdlBG92FhOV3Aiul4y2ZyFNpWCN1m797blMbaofL32g; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:41200 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aKBkD-0003yx-TK; Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:17:18 -0700 To: "Yemin (Amy)" , CCAMP References: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD31347@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <568FDFD1.6060505@labn.net> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD3DE05@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <569961D6.9080404@labn.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:17:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD3DE05@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Gregory Mirsky , Longhao , D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo , TEAS WG , "Shah, Himanshu" Subject: Re: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:17:28 -0000 Amy, I think we're left with one substantive discussion topic: >> 3) Approach >> >> Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and >> RFC6003 Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet >> Bandwidth Profile TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the >> Availability sub-tlv as a a new Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV >> type. This also helps backwards compatibility. > > [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with > bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = > 200Mbps, availability = 99.99%). > > That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under > Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. > > As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not > capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth > Profile TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in > IETF90. So we're discussing two options: Option 1) new TLV with new optional sub-TLV(s) + Availability sub-TLV - New TLV : Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-03#section-3.1.1 - NEW TLV = RFC6003 Section 4.1 + option sub-TLV(s) and Availability sub-TLV carried in new TLV, carried when using availability, Option 2) Availability TLV -No change to RFC 6003 or Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV - Optional new Availability TLV carried when using availability It seems to me that the carried information and the semantics are equivalent. But option 1 defines a strictly redundant information format, with both added implementation and interoperability overhead. So why not just go with option 2, i.e., drop section 3.1.1. and define 3.1.2 as a tlv of the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object? Lou On 1/13/2016 9:05 PM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > Below is the offline discussion on > “draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-03” and > “draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-03”. > > You are welcome to give comments. > > > > BR, > > Amy > > > > *From:*Yemin (Amy) > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:35 PM > *To:* 'Lou Berger' > *Cc:* D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory Mirsky; > Longhao > *Subject:* RE: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for > availability address your comments? > > > > Hi Lou, > > > > Thanks for reply. Please see my reply starting with [Amy]. > > > > BR, > > Amy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:12 AM > To: Yemin (Amy) > Cc: D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory Mirsky; > Longhao > Subject: Re: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for > availability address your comments? > > > > Hi Amy, > > > > > > On 12/29/2015 1:47 AM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: > > > > > > Hi Lou, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you kindly check if the latest OSPF extension draft for > > > availability address your comments? > > > > > > > Here are my original comments and their resolution: > > > On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > > Abstract: > - States applies to PSC > > > fixed . > > > > > > Sections 1 > - (general comment) informative sections such as Intro and Overview > > > > shouldn't contain normative (RFC2119) language. See > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some > > > > suggested guidelines. > > > you still have a conformance statement in the abstract. This is a nit > > and can be fixed whenever you do the next rev. > > [Amy] Thanks for pointing it out. Will fix it. > > > > > > Section 2 > - You mention "by the PE node" (and in two other places in the > > > > document). I have don't understand why "PE" is being introduced. > > > > Perhaps you mean simply "a node"? > > > > > done. > > > > > > Section 3.1 > - You duplicate a format definition from RFC4203. I think this > > > should > be replaced with a simple sentence stating that "The > > > Interface Switching > Capacity Descriptor (ISCD) sub-TLV is defined in > > > Section 1.4 of [RFC 4203]". > > > done. as a nit comment you can get rid of section 3.1 and just move the > > reference to the first time you refer to ISCD > > > > > > - More significantly you are actually changing its format, and in > > particular taking 8 bits from the existing reserved field: > > A > > > new AI field is defined in this document. > > > AI is gone, right? > > [Amy] Yes, AI is removed. > > > > > > - Taking bits from the reserved field is a major change and needs to be > > justified. The purpose *and the use* of this new field, > > > Availability > Index, is unclear in the document. It needs to be, or > > > better yet, drop it. > > Section 3.2: > - Why limit Availability > > > information to PSC and LSC? > > > > > This limitation remains. I thought you agreed to dropping this in your > > mail back in August. > > [Amy] Sorry, I missed this point. Will fix it. > > > > > > Section 6.1 > - A number of references listed as Normative are not required to > > > > implement the mechanisms in the document and therefore should be > > > > identified as Informative. > > > > I think this needs some change, but this can be resolved independently > > of LC. > > [Amy] OK. > > > > > The attached is the mail discussion in July and Aug.We believe that > > > the latest drafts addressed the comments in these mails, please check. > > > > > > The latest drafts links > > > arehttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension/, > > > and > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability/. > > > > > > > My original comments were: > > > On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > > Hi, > I reviewed this document from the perspective of how generalized it > > > > is in its current form. > > I think this document's scope in it's > > > current form is limited to > RFC6003. I think it sould retitle the > > > draft to something like "Ethernet > Traffic Parameters With > > > Availability Information" to align with RFC6003. > > Done. > > > > > > The document could also use RFC6003 as a 'design pattern' for some > > reediting of its sections/text. > > > > So I guess this wasn't a sufficiently detailed comment. I see several > > issues with section 3. In order of least to most significant: > > 1) Editorial nits: > > There is no section 3.1 > > There are grammar and spelling errors in the section > > [Amy] Will fix it. > > > > 2) Formatting problems in sections 3.1.x > > Type and length are included, when they aren't in RFC6003 Section 4.1 > > Type isn't identified as needing to be assigned > > Most fields lack definition > > AF is defined as a redefinition of the Profile field rather than > > simply a definition > > of a new bit in the field. It should simply be an assignment of > > a new flag, i.e.: > > Flag 3 (bit 1): Availability Flag (AF) > > I also don't see the value of the flag as the rfc6003 already > > accommodates optional tlv inclusion and no explicit indication of > > subsequent TLVs is required. > > > > 3) Approach > > Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and RFC6003 > > Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile > > TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the Availability sub-tlv as a a new > > Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV type. This also helps backwards > > compatibility. > > [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with > bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = 200Mbps, > availability = 99.99%). > > That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under > Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. > > As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not > capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile > TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in IETF90. > > > > 4) Section 3.2 > > This isn't needed, i.e., the section should be dropped, as this is > > already provided for in RF6003 Section 5. > > [Amy] Ok. > > > > 5) Section 3.3 > > > > This section should refer back to RFC6003 section 7 and be modified to > > talk about the additional processing related to the Availability TLV > > (which shouldn't be a big change). > > > > You can drop the last paragraph as it is sufficiently covered in 6003, > > but you do need to mention what is expected to happen, as informative > > text, on a node that doesn't support the new tlv. > > [Amy] Will update it. > > > > 6) The IANA section will need to be updated accordingly > > > > > > > > > I also suggest reviewing > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some > > > > suggested guidelines. > > > > > > > If the drafts addressed all the comments, could it be moved forward? > > > Or if you have any other comments, just let us know. > > > > > > > So I think we're left with a minor comment + nits on the OSPF document > > and some more substantive work on the RSVP draft. > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, take this chance to wish a happy new year! > > > > > > > To you as well! > > > > Cheers, > > Lou > > > > > > > > > > > > BR, > > > > > > Amy(on behalf of the co-authors) > > > > > > > > > > From nobody Mon Jan 18 04:47:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496881B366D; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:47:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5rS42k0V584; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:47:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA5411B3685; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 04:47:24 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79df6d0000013b1-58-569cdedae3f8 Received: from ESESSHC021.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.81]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 21.61.05041.ADEDC965; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:47:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSMB301.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.140]) by ESESSHC021.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:47:22 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Lou Berger , "Yemin (Amy)" , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Huaimo, Much Thanks for putting this slide-set together. It will help drive the discussion forward during the interim meeting. It would be very useful if the comparative analysis covers all of the below aspects for both approaches (please see if you can fill in the missing pieces in your slide-set): - Configuration Model: Discuss the "TE Tunnel" configuration needed for requesting "ingress protection". Discuss other prerequisites (if any) for configuring this. - Protection Setup Procedures: Discuss the procedures on all relevant nodes ("primary ingress", " backup ingress" [,"proxy ingress"]) for setting up the primary LSP and the corresponding backup LSP. A signaling sequence diagram would be useful. Discuss the procedures for both "on path backup ingress" and "off path backup ingress". - Session Maintenance Procedures: Discuss the procedures on all relevant nodes for maintaining (refreshes, triggers, teardown) primary-LSP state and the corresponding backup-LSP state. - Local Repair Procedures: Discuss the procedures that come into play at the "backup ingress" when the "primary ingress" node failure is detected. - "Revert to Primary Ingress" Procedures - "Global Repair" Procedures - Backwards Compatibility: Discuss "backwards compatibility" considerations for the proposed signaling extensions/procedures. - Scaling Considerations: Discuss "scaling considerations" (amount of signaling state/messages to be maintained/processed). - Security Considerations: Discuss "security considerations". For items in the above list which do not entail any difference in the 2 approaches, just specify what is common to both. **** Others in the WG, If you disagree with any of the points made in the slide-set shared by Huaimo, please plan on presenting your arguments. **** Please do plan on sending your slides to the chairs and the secretary (Matt on cc) by Wednesday. Regards, -Pavan On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Huaimo Chen wrote: > Hi Chairs, > > Thanks for organizing the interim meeting. > > Lou asked for technical trade-off discussion of the current options i= n > the I-D, these are: > > (1) Relay-Message Method > > (2) Proxy-Ingress Method > > I conducted analysis and documented my results, these can be seen at: > *http://www.slideshare.net/HuaimoChen/analysis-2methods* > > The findings include an example of both techniques. Looking forward to th= e > interim call. > > Best Regards, > Huaimo > > > *From:* Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Vishnu Pavan Beeram > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:33 PM > *To:* teas@ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting (before IETF-95) > > Folks, Hi! > > Happy New Year!! > > We=E2=80=99d like the TEAS WG to hold a virtual interim meeting before IE= TF-95 to > cover the following topic - > > "RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection=E2=80=9D -- target meeting t= he week > of 25 January 2015 (with a second meeting possible if needed): > The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two > alternatives contained in . A > secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on > , and gauge WG consensus on both > drafts. > > The following doodle poll will aid in selecting the exact date/time for > this meeting: *http://doodle.com/poll/7g4st77huxv66z2d* > > > Regards, > Pavan and Lou. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > --001a11416fbc4b92fb052a1c5207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Huaimo,

Mu= ch Thanks for putting this slide-set together. It will help drive the discu= ssion forward during the interim meeting.

It would be very useful if the comparative analysis covers all of the=20 below aspects for both approaches (please see if you can fill in the=20 missing pieces in your slide-set):

-=20 Configuration Model: Discuss the "TE Tunnel" configuration needed= for=20 requesting "ingress protection". Discuss other prerequisites (if = any)=20 for configuring this.

- Protection Setup Procedures:=20 Discuss the procedures on all relevant nodes ("primary ingress", = "=20 backup ingress" [,"proxy ingress"]) for setting up the prima= ry LSP and the corresponding=20 backup LSP. A signaling sequence diagram would be useful. Discuss the=20 procedures for both "on path backup ingress" and "off path b= ackup=20 ingress".

- Session Maintenance Procedures: Discuss= =20 the procedures on all relevant nodes for maintaining (refreshes,=20 triggers, teardown) primary-LSP state and the corresponding backup-LSP stat= e.

- Local Repair Procedures: Discuss the procedures that come into play at=20 the "backup ingress" when the "primary ingress" node fa= ilure is=20 detected.

- "Revert to Primary Ingress" Procedu= res

- "Global Repair" Procedures
=
- Backwards Compatibility: Discuss "backwards compatibi= lity" considerations for the proposed signaling extensions/procedures.=

- Scaling Considerations: Discuss "scaling consideration= s" (amount of signaling state/messages to be maintained/processed).=C2=A0
- Security Considerations: Discuss "security consider= ations".

For items in the above list which do not en= tail any difference in the 2 approaches, just specify what is common to bot= h.

****
Others in the WG,
If you disagree with any of the points made in the slide-set s= hared by Huaimo, please plan on presenting your arguments.

****
P= lease do plan on sending your slides to the chairs and the secretary (Matt = on cc) by Wednesday.

Regards,
-Pavan

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:= 26 PM, Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Chairs,
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks for organizing the i= nterim meeting. =C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Lou asked for technical tra= de-off discussion of the current options in the I-D, these are:
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (1)= Relay-Message Method
=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (2)= Proxy-Ingress Method
=C2=A0
I conducted analys= is and documented my results, these can be seen at:
= http://www= .slideshare.net/HuaimoChen/analysis-2methods
The findings inclu= de an example of both techniques. Looking forward to the interim call.
=C2=A0
Best Regards,
Huaimo
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Fro= m: Teas [mai= lto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vishnu Pavan Beeram
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:33 PM
To: teas@ietf.org= ; teas-chairs= @ietf.org
Subject: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting (before IETF-95)
=C2=A0
Folk= s, Hi!
=C2=A0
Happ= y New Year!!
=C2=A0
We= =E2=80=99d like the TEAS WG to hold a virtual interim meeting before IETF-9= 5 to cover the following topic -
=C2=A0
&quo= t;RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection=E2=80=9D -- target meeting th= e week
of 2= 5 January 2015 (with a second meeting possible if needed):
The = main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two alternatives c= ontained in <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection>. A secondary pu= rpose is to facilitate further discussion on <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection>, and gauge WG consensus on b= oth drafts.
=C2=A0
The = following doodle poll will aid in selecting the exact date/time for this me= eting:=C2=A0http://doodle.com/poll/7g4st7= 7huxv66z2d
=C2=A0
Rega= rds,
Pava= n and Lou.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0

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I have few general notes on the document. * I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN. Also= Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel). * In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in T= R-319 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment. * The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different servic= e request (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter) * I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Ful= ly integrated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other s= ide). * Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage the = Protection and the diverse path. * Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to= the Edge (SRLG RRO) * XRO to exclude critical elements on the network when signalling LS= P (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting traffic. * Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id * I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and deplo= yment. Best Regards, Gabriele [http://www.cisco.com/swa/i/logo.gif] Gabriele Galimberti Principal Engineer Cisco Photonics Srl via S.Maria Molgora, 48 C 20871 - Vimercate (MB) Italy www.cisco.com/global/IT/ ggalimbe@cisco.com Phone :+39 039 2091462 Mobile :+39 335 7481947 Fax :+39 039 2092049 From: CCAMP > on beha= lf of David Sinicrope > Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53 PM To: "ccamp@ietf.org" >, "pce@ietf.org" >, "teas@ietf.org" > Cc: "jpv@cisco.com" >, "vbeeram@juniper.net" >, "akatlas@gmail.com" > Subject: [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Net= work Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 Hi All, Just a reminder to the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS WGs that we still have https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1449/ requesting a response. Please finalize and send your comments to the respective WG Chairs if you h= aven't already. We will coordinate a joint WG response. 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Hi David, 
Thanks for the reminder.

I have few general notes on the document.
  • I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN.  A= lso Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel).
    • In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in TR-31= 9 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment.
    • The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different service req= uest (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter)
      • I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Fully integ= rated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other side).
  • Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage t= he Protection and the diverse path.
    • Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to the = Edge  (SRLG RRO)
    • XRO to exclude critical elements on the netwo= rk when signalling LSP (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting tr= affic.
    • Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id
  • I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and de= ployment.

Best Regards, 

Gabriele


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From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of David Si= nicrope <david.sinicrope= @ericsson.com>
Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53= PM
To: "ccamp@ietf.org" <cca= mp@ietf.org>, "pce@ietf.org= " <pce@ietf.org>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>
Cc: "jpv@cisco.com" <jpv@ci= sco.com>, "vbeeram@junip= er.net" <vbeeram@juniper= .net>, "akatlas@gmail.com" <= ;akatlas@gmail.com>
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<5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D44E4D14CE@SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221993D66@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 15:17:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram To: Gregory Mirsky Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143fc8efb0123052a2e405a Archived-At: Cc: Huaimo Chen , Matt Hartley , "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teas] Comparison Analysis (TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting (before IETF-95)) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:17:14 -0000 --001a1143fc8efb0123052a2e405a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greg, Hi! Thanks for bringing this up. Yes, I do expect to hear the OAM aspects of the solution discussed on Thursday. Regards, -Pavan On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Dear Pavan, Huiamo, et. al, > > I=E2=80=99d like to draw your attention to the fact that both methods rel= y on the > Backup Ingress detecting when the Primary Ingress fails, e.g. slide 13 > =E2=80=9CWhen primary ingress fails, =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99m conc= erned that without clear > indication that failure occurred at the Primary Ingress and not on the > link, physical or logical, that connects the Backup and Primary, ingress > protection is guaranteed to produce false negatives and, in my view, is n= ot > practical. I=E2=80=99d appreciate if we can discuss OAM aspects of ingres= s > protection during our meeting on Thursday. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > *From:* Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Vishnu Pavan > Beeram > *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2016 2:54 PM > *To:* Huaimo Chen > *Cc:* Matt Hartley; teas-chairs@ietf.org; teas@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Teas] Comparison Analysis (TEAS WG Virtual Interim > Meeting (before IETF-95)) > > > > Huaimo, > > Much Thanks for putting this slide-set together. It will help drive the > discussion forward during the interim meeting. > > It would be very useful if the comparative analysis covers all of the > below aspects for both approaches (please see if you can fill in the > missing pieces in your slide-set): > > > > - Configuration Model: Discuss the "TE Tunnel" configuration needed for > requesting "ingress protection". Discuss other prerequisites (if any) for > configuring this. > > - Protection Setup Procedures: Discuss the procedures on all relevant > nodes ("primary ingress", " backup ingress" [,"proxy ingress"]) for setti= ng > up the primary LSP and the corresponding backup LSP. A signaling sequence > diagram would be useful. Discuss the procedures for both "on path backup > ingress" and "off path backup ingress". > > - Session Maintenance Procedures: Discuss the procedures on all relevant > nodes for maintaining (refreshes, triggers, teardown) primary-LSP state a= nd > the corresponding backup-LSP state. > > - Local Repair Procedures: Discuss the procedures that come into play at > the "backup ingress" when the "primary ingress" node failure is detected. > > - "Revert to Primary Ingress" Procedures > > - "Global Repair" Procedures > > > > - Backwards Compatibility: Discuss "backwards compatibility" > considerations for the proposed signaling extensions/procedures. > > - Scaling Considerations: Discuss "scaling considerations" (amount of > signaling state/messages to be maintained/processed). > > > - Security Considerations: Discuss "security considerations". > > For items in the above list which do not entail any difference in the 2 > approaches, just specify what is common to both. > > > > **** > > Others in the WG, > > If you disagree with any of the points made in the slide-set shared by > Huaimo, please plan on presenting your arguments. > > **** > Please do plan on sending your slides to the chairs and the secretary > (Matt on cc) by Wednesday. > > Regards, > > -Pavan > > > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Huaimo Chen > wrote: > > Hi Chairs, > > > > Thanks for organizing the interim meeting. > > > > Lou asked for technical trade-off discussion of the current options i= n > the I-D, these are: > > > > (1) Relay-Message Method > > > > (2) Proxy-Ingress Method > > > > I conducted analysis and documented my results, these can be seen at: > > http://www.slideshare.net/HuaimoChen/analysis-2methods > > The findings include an example of both techniques. Looking forward to th= e > interim call. > > > > Best Regards, > > Huaimo > > > > > > *From:* Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org ] *On > Behalf Of *Vishnu Pavan Beeram > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:33 PM > *To:* teas@ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting (before IETF-95) > > > > Folks, Hi! > > > > Happy New Year!! > > > > We=E2=80=99d like the TEAS WG to hold a virtual interim meeting before IE= TF-95 to > cover the following topic - > > > > "RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection=E2=80=9D -- target meeting t= he week > > of 25 January 2015 (with a second meeting possible if needed): > > The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two > alternatives contained in . A > secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on > , and gauge WG consensus on both > drafts. > > > > The following doodle poll will aid in selecting the exact date/time for > this meeting: http://doodle.com/poll/7g4st77huxv66z2d > > > > Regards, > > Pavan and Lou. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > > --001a1143fc8efb0123052a2e405a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greg, Hi!

Thanks for brin= ging this up.
Yes, I do expect to hear the OAM aspects of the solu= tion discussed on Thursday.

Regards,
-Pavan
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On Mon, Jan 25, 2= 016 at 2:19 PM, Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com&= gt; wrote:

Dear Pavan, Huiamo, et. a= l,

I=E2=80=99d like to draw = your attention to the fact that both methods rely on the Backup Ingress det= ecting when the Primary Ingress fails, e.g. slide 13 =E2=80=9CWhen primary ingress fails, =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99m concerned that without clea= r indication that failure occurred at the Primary Ingress and not on the li= nk, physical or logical, that connects the Backup and Primary, ingress prot= ection is guaranteed to produce false negatives and, in my view, is not practical. I=E2=80=99d appreciate if we can discuss OAM as= pects of ingress protection during our meeting on Thursday.

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Greg

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From: Teas [ma= ilto:teas-bounce= s@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vishnu Pavan Beeram
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 2:54 PM
To: Huaimo Chen
Cc: Matt Hartley; teas-chairs@ietf.org; teas@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teas] Comparison Analysis (TEAS WG Virtual Interim Mee= ting (before IETF-95))

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Huaimo,=

Much Thanks for putti= ng this slide-set together. It will help drive the discussion forward durin= g the interim meeting.

It would be very useful if the comparative analysis = covers all of the below aspects for both approaches (please see if you can = fill in the missing pieces in your slide-set):

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- Configuration Model= : Discuss the "TE Tunnel" configuration needed for requesting &qu= ot;ingress protection". Discuss other prerequisites (if any) for confi= guring this.

- Protection Setup Pr= ocedures: Discuss the procedures on all relevant nodes ("primary ingre= ss", " backup ingress" [,"proxy ingress"]) for set= ting up the primary LSP and the corresponding backup LSP. A signaling sequence diagram would be useful. Discuss the procedures for both "on= path backup ingress" and "off path backup ingress".<= u>

- Session Maintenance= Procedures: Discuss the procedures on all relevant nodes for maintaining (= refreshes, triggers, teardown) primary-LSP state and the corresponding back= up-LSP state.

- Local Repair Proced= ures: Discuss the procedures that come into play at the "backup ingres= s" when the "primary ingress" node failure is detected.

- "Revert to Pri= mary Ingress" Procedures

- "Global Repair" Procedures=

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- Backwards Compatibi= lity: Discuss "backwards compatibility" considerations for the pr= oposed signaling extensions/procedures.

- Scaling Considerations: Discuss "scaling cons= iderations" (amount of signaling state/messages to be maintained/proce= ssed).
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- Security Considerat= ions: Discuss "security considerations".

For items in the above list which do not entail any = difference in the 2 approaches, just specify what is common to both.=

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****

Others in the WG, =

If you disagree with = any of the points made in the slide-set shared by Huaimo, please plan on pr= esenting your arguments.

****
Please do plan on sending your slides to the chairs and the secretary (Matt= on cc) by Wednesday.

Regards,

-Pavan

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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawe= i.com> wrote:

Hi Chairs,

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks= for organizing the interim meeting. =C2=A0

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Lou as= ked for technical trade-off discussion of the current options in the I-D, t= hese are:

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (1) Relay-Message Method

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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (2) Proxy-Ingress Method

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I conducted analysis and documented my results, these can be seen at:

The findings include an example of both techniques. Looking forward to t= he interim call.

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Best Regards,

Huaimo

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From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounce= s@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vishnu Pavan Beeram
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 9:33 PM
To: teas@ietf.org= ; teas-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting (before IETF-95)

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Folks, Hi!

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Happy New Year!= !

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We=E2=80=99d li= ke the TEAS WG to hold a virtual interim meeting before IETF-95 to cover th= e following topic -

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"RSVP Ingr= ess Protection / Egress Protection=E2=80=9D -- target meeting the week

of 25 January 2= 015 (with a second meeting possible if needed):<= u>

The main purpos= e of the meeting is to help select one of the two alternatives contained in= <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection>. A secondary purpose is to= facilitate further discussion on <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protectio= n>, and gauge WG consensus on both drafts.

=C2=A0

The following d= oodle poll will aid in selecting the exact date/time for this meeting:=C2= =A0http://d= oodle.com/poll/7g4st77huxv66z2d

=C2=A0

Regards,=

Pavan and Lou.<= /span>

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--001a1143fc8efb0123052a2e405a-- From nobody Tue Jan 26 04:48:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A771A6FD9 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 04:48:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08zsJfWkNn7o for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 04:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 328511A21A7 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 04:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3405 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2016 12:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2016 12:48:25 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id AcoA1s00H2SSUrH01coDCn; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:48:25 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=IekUBwaa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=uTYxsT5uBx8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=-tsAPJKn6S7ax0J5AdsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To; bh=Ab+2M6/qh7oOLZy/8zECIuKs45iWjC3eJDNw26nQsnk=; b=hdaLQvaRHbh54jZ6cbgWwAEl7HtBxyZ/pWnliEnvWx8y3W3tJtp6T32Hs2frFKG+tOgz7DVVTFZTwz6x5eKTuB3yDSmWz17+RTlV35qoscqkhfiQ3tCtsjCJXKCLoc4o; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:37790 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO32Y-0004Pv-59; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:48:10 -0700 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk, daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com, jdrake@juniper.net, nabil.bitar@verizon.com, swallow@cisco.com, cyril.margaria@googlemail.com, diego.caviglia@ericsson.com, ggrammel@juniper.net, jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com, kpithewan@infinera.com, ogondio@tid.es, rrao@infinera.com, sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com, vbeeram@juniper.net, vlopez@tid.es, zali@cisco.com, zhang.xian@huawei.com, zhangfatai@huawei.com From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 07:47:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , TEAS WG Subject: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:48:31 -0000 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Last Call Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, TEAS WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. From nobody Tue Jan 26 04:51:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6EE1A8791 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 04:51:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d6G38H_jqin5 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 04:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 71A7F1A877E for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 04:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16229 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2016 12:51:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2016 12:51:49 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id Acrj1s00N2SSUrH01crm5u; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:51:48 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Zc6OaKlA c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=uTYxsT5uBx8A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=ihZz8S0QjFd-tuiTBgMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To; bh=hfBfsC9rNqhlRbLjct2UQpPztqqBFIFJQOtR15OKTIc=; b=mrRYFgXCWXNLRd1+g57KCSg94x6hB/CaLDKQZ6sPk79v7NOpZq80Y4WptuJeR0SRQdzMSSVNTIg348kRjydnMtTrJrAlHxKdmV3T3i1fU1i5+a0FtmBs3BCJolfXIfgc; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:38116 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aO360-0004wI-EV; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:51:44 -0700 To: TEAS WG From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A76BDD.6050904@labn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 07:51:41 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: [Teas] LC prep for draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange-03 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:51:56 -0000 All, It's time to get ready to LC draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange. As preparation for this, I've just sent out the IPR poll. While this is running, it is a good time to (re)read this document and send any comments you may have. Resolving these before LC facilitates the LC process as the same comment doesn't need to be made by the larger review that (hopefully) occurs during LC. I plan to send comments, although I'll probably use multiple messages given that this is a 60 page doc... Cheers, Lou From nobody Tue Jan 26 06:01:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694181A8BB6; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:01:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Xyaa-yZJ0r6; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0793.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::793]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD9271A8BB1; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from SN1PR0501MB1709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.163.130.155) by BY2PR05MB710.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.141.222.147) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.390.13; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:00:44 +0000 Received: from SN1PR0501MB1709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.130.155]) by SN1PR0501MB1709.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.163.130.155]) with mapi id 15.01.0390.013; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:00:43 +0000 From: John E Drake To: Lou Berger , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com" , "nabil.bitar@verizon.com" , "swallow@cisco.com" , "cyril.margaria@googlemail.com" , "diego.caviglia@ericsson.com" , Gert Grammel , "jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com" , "kpithewan@infinera.com" , "ogondio@tid.es" , "rrao@infinera.com" , "sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , "vlopez@tid.es" , "zali@cisco.com" , "zhang.xian@huawei.com" , "zhangfatai@huawei.com" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange Thread-Index: AQHRWDfaZNNnj/lrw0SQ6Ybg5rTE2p8N02Ug Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:00:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=jdrake@juniper.net; 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Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:09:51 +0100 From: Daniele Ceccarelli To: Lou Berger , TEAS WG Thread-Topic: [Teas] LC prep for draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange-03 Thread-Index: AQHRWDhYQbbGKFcVm0mR+uBJQW9Rv58N1cUg Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:09:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE481618E380@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> References: <56A76BDD.6050904@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <56A76BDD.6050904@labn.net> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.16] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFupikeLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42KZGbHdW9egbnmYwdK9IhYdzW9ZLJrm7mKy aP2xg8WB2WPJkp9MHh82NbMFMEVx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZcxYtIqpYBVHxa5XF1gbGK+ydTFy cEgImEicWWPZxcgJZIpJXLi3HijMxSEkcJhR4tzh/UwQzhJGicsNNxhBGtgErCSeHPIBaRAB MjsO7GQCsZkFNCWOvLzJCGILC4RIPNy0gBGiJlRi8YQJ7BC2kcSeB+1gY1gEVCV27TMFMXkF fCW2v6gDqRASUJe41PsTrJNTQEPi2qGJzCA2o4CsxITdixghNolL3HoynwniZAGJJXvOM0PY ohIvH/9jhbAVJXaebWeGqNeTuDF1ChuErS2xbOFrsDivgKDEyZlPWCYwis1CMnYWkpZZSFpm IWlZwMiyilG0OLW4ODfdyFgvtSgzubg4P08vL7VkEyMwhg5u+a27g3H1a8dDjAIcjEo8vBsK loUJsSaWFVfmHmKU4GBWEuE1rFoeJsSbklhZlVqUH19UmpNafIhRmoNFSZz3IP+iMCGB9MSS 1OzU1ILUIpgsEwenVAOj2NRDdfcf+9RO8+mYMMn9jvm7p5lJLDrub37OUrbavy9eYQObXveJ 4qroQ+rak/yK21MXu1bM55/UOdmXU2PeBC8T7zK+n0+SdqUFqUmxsQhFRx6VC5ljW+Qxb8fp TJ0iyZer/Q+JHUq9Uzp5Suw+lskG56rEggPD34Rebu5LLT9/0O/yaXElluKMREMt5qLiRACg a7dCnQIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: Re: [Teas] LC prep for draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange-03 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:09:57 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft BR Daniele > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: marted=EC 26 gennaio 2016 13:52 > To: TEAS WG > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs > Subject: [Teas] LC prep for draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchan= ge- > 03 >=20 > All, > It's time to get ready to LC > draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange. As preparation for this= , > I've just sent out the IPR poll. While this is running, it is a good tim= e to > (re)read this document and send any comments you may have. > Resolving these before LC facilitates the LC process as the same comment > doesn't need to be made by the larger review that (hopefully) occurs duri= ng > LC. I plan to send comments, although I'll probably use multiple message= s > given that this is a 60 page doc... >=20 > Cheers, > Lou >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Jan 26 06:33:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93A31B2A4D; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iF83oNpwrTz0; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2289A1B2A4C; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:33:21 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79d16d000001b1c-8a-56a780ebb890 Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.81]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 20.8C.06940.BE087A65; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:21:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB109.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.126]) by EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:33:19 -0500 From: Jeff Tantsura To: Lou Berger , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , Daniele Ceccarelli , "jdrake@juniper.net" , "nabil.bitar@verizon.com" , "swallow@cisco.com" , "cyril.margaria@googlemail.com" , "Diego Caviglia" , "ggrammel@juniper.net" , "kpithewan@infinera.com" , "ogondio@tid.es" , "rrao@infinera.com" , "sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com" , "vbeeram@juniper.net" , "vlopez@tid.es" , "zali@cisco.com" , "zhang.xian@huawei.com" , "zhangfatai@huawei.com" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange Thread-Index: AQHRWDfbJDBKb0l4I0qxqVkpGXNXuJ8NqkQA Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:33:19 +0000 Message-ID: <585C3913-3512-40FB-BB8B-5EA52791B957@ericsson.com> References: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/0.0.0.160109 x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: text/plain; 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Please respond to the ipr poll, not this message... On January 26, 2016 9:10:20 AM Daniele Ceccarelli wrote: > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft > > BR > Daniele > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: martedì 26 gennaio 2016 13:52 >> To: TEAS WG >> Cc: TEAS WG Chairs >> Subject: [Teas] LC prep for draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange- >> 03 >> >> All, >> It's time to get ready to LC >> draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange. As preparation for this, >> I've just sent out the IPR poll. While this is running, it is a good time to >> (re)read this document and send any comments you may have. >> Resolving these before LC facilitates the LC process as the same comment >> doesn't need to be made by the larger review that (hopefully) occurs during >> LC. I plan to send comments, although I'll probably use multiple messages >> given that this is a 60 page doc... >> >> Cheers, >> Lou >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > From nobody Tue Jan 26 06:40:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EC31A8F49; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:07:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FC498ZIdgVEV; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9320B1A8F43; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0QE6tXc007489; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:06:55 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([79.141.128.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0QE6sdU007450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:06:54 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Lou Berger'" References: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:06:54 -0000 Message-ID: <018f01d15842$d029a110$707ce330$@juniper.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQLLhuH4rWPu+CXsdxVTX1DfwW29x50Zdy1w Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22090.004 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.874-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--22.874-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: Alur8Cs15mwmKugBA3f88eDmaeE7z2RkOByiP8mqkZvM1jffIgQXhkdE l9TsJWRaAIZpxx3hp71Vv770Z6fBConoVQ9oIVz7/ex6WTDig5ER9y8WJPyXEBes/RxhysDbgdN Xa4lpKNvz2m/olXhpzV721f1Z1L9K8+sRcjnYJLFzi/Tk7X+jDUMR/ZdMRWYGcFEiuPxHjsX6rV j794QCtl99KTJvos9IG4Kqbbf1wKh53upQHbmOMLz4nfyYESe0jROjughSj+ISF5o+a1M3FdZKs q3DGpalgzauDpOBM9NgIScCiWkKEFkvX5/Fh8kH4m/6in2CA/iRUXjihTf9CJ1U1lojafr/QZXZ g2I8JabnU40jhQv76qPFjJEFr+olfeZdJ1XsorhCITlsmPfzAAtuKBGekqUpPjKoPgsq7cA= Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:40:27 -0800 Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' , 'TEAS WG' Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: afarrel@juniper.net List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:07:04 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Thanks, Adrian > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: 26 January 2016 12:48 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com; jdrake@juniper.net; > nabil.bitar@verizon.com; swallow@cisco.com; cyril.margaria@googlemail.com; > diego.caviglia@ericsson.com; ggrammel@juniper.net; > jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com; kpithewan@infinera.com; ogondio@tid.es; > rrao@infinera.com; sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com; vbeeram@juniper.net; > vlopez@tid.es; zali@cisco.com; zhang.xian@huawei.com; > zhangfatai@huawei.com > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs; TEAS WG > Subject: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info- > exchange > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > TEAS WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Jan 26 06:43:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191091B2A2F; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:43:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ORikMAJAf2Kc; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x22b.google.com (mail-io0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7E991B2A59; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id 1so187194476ion.1; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:43:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cfmxS5Qq8/K/mPC6dHqKQb31UVx5n7+VJWLlf68Xhjw=; b=wsOo2BDEt7lGsjAnEYQhxwPxaiR/0A+/Nce0R9QnR8bSvoWGxPYw8jy8GwG9vO3hkq 5yHtLTdpLl6LgLCApqmM1rNlCYX4KlgAkcFtg6QUFgU9tz5xZnxr1Mqt6MbOu0OvajX0 XnO+FNZaRk4CQhpdq883PhWRU95zL24DxAgv0/tzZAz92y9h7W+/gm8GcDCqvdSmNTxL 4NtFNAFma7hYwI9R4QaTM5IqxNEAkiUFnJU3O7RIbLfaNpoN1DgUoZIb8Yd1/DhLvByN rCwff1nd/1jxastgUdV1zi8/yvQjKrWFCrobAFeYPGxm/6EQPCwM42zzoARTQrknLPCU VP7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cfmxS5Qq8/K/mPC6dHqKQb31UVx5n7+VJWLlf68Xhjw=; b=kx4qf5aZ8g4I3y/IPDSxJiL4d7azAd+BvGwpOlFV2wWPV5aaKLa+hIlizJ/mZgeJXy u8hcUZVLdf10WDoV/brzejLWjlGo2Ktyqa/ZJrr20bKYB1hsy9yTrs7T9U+er4aVAcAA Wge4YmoHPdeCjryQfQ3Ro80iAz28Gtfd6Wh+LoO+L3ap705jBi+qK6nwcOAdrLEwiyYP 0yDcZhIURGekIKZ2KaZB4Cb4+4ne480i/6RX0f41paMLLW4R+XhFxhfSbSgDdd9Ig2kr aXJPH0U1jhW+rQh6cwPrtdvsIRn7+0gC+WthVVZFDTX+ehMFMvsBruEm9GOlQZnAmx5j ACzg== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOQYeJMqgMVi1owMaUVFOnq5KSRgTzvvv5WWzAYD3UtkowBizGGnhHQHZzx0GVLEIdD34C0J+dJwKXuGpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.135.23 with SMTP id j23mr23424770iod.50.1453819386317; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.53.28 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:43:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> References: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:43:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: Cyril Margaria To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f8f6016d39b052a3db446 Archived-At: Cc: swallow@cisco.com, nabil.bitar@verizon.com, Gert Grammel , "Zhangxian \(Xian\)" , TEAS WG Chairs , John E Drake , Fatai Zhang , Cyril Margaria , vlopez@tid.es, Rajan Rao , jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com, Vishnu Pavan Beeram , diego.caviglia@ericsson.com, =?UTF-8?Q?Oscar_Gonz=C3=A1lez_de_Dios?= , TEAS WG , kpithewan@infinera.com, "'Adrian Farrel' \(adrian@olddog.co.uk\)" , "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" , Daniele Ceccarelli , "BELOTTI, SERGIO \(SERGIO\) \(sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com\)" Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 14:43:09 -0000 --001a113f8f6016d39b052a3db446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. BR Cyril On 26 January 2016 at 07:47, Lou Berger wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > TEAS WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > --001a113f8f6016d39b052a3db446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to= this draft.

BR
Cyril

On 26 January 2016 at 07:47, Lou Berger= <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
=
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S<= br> TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group= /iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
TEAS WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.



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Beeram To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d391c294e47052a3efca9 Archived-At: Cc: "George Swallow \(swallow\)" , nabil.bitar@verizon.com, Gert Grammel , "Zhangxian \(Xian\)" , TEAS WG Chairs , John E Drake , Fatai Zhang , cyril.margaria@googlemail.com, vlopez@tid.es, Rajan Rao , Jeff Tantsura , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , diego.caviglia@ericsson.com, ogondio@tid.es, TEAS WG , Khuzema Pithewan , Adrian Farrel , "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" , Daniele Ceccarelli , "BELOTTI, SERGIO \(SERGIO\)" Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:14:53 -0000 --001a113d391c294e47052a3efca9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to 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--001a113d391c294e47052a3efca9-- From nobody Tue Jan 26 09:50:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EE51A9175; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:50:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160126175048.22582.55697.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:50:48 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:50:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Working Group of the IETF. Title : Extensions to Resource Reservation Protocol For Fast Reroute of Traffic Engineering GMPLS LSPs Authors : Mike Taillon Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Zafar Ali Manav Bhatia Lizhong Jin Filename : draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2016-01-26 Abstract: This document defines Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling extensions to support Fast Reroute (FRR) of Packet Switched Capable (PSC) Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). These signaling extensions allow the coordination of bidirectional bypass tunnel assignment protecting a common facility in both forward and reverse directions of a co-routed bidirectional LSP. In addition, these extensions enable the re-direction of bidirectional traffic and signaling onto bypass tunnels that ensure co-routedness of data and signaling paths in the forward and reverse directions after FRR to avoid RSVP soft-state timeout. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jan 26 09:54:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42501A9245 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:54:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fl_xtZYUVVxM for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D8071A9233 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:54:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2480; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453830857; x=1455040457; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=Y835IzLQL291e5Yc7Yn9xxznuCMMlX4ocWIPQ2aglNo=; b=E1qgQ3KQX0Gg8BOBtRcTmTqy+/XahtnlTMk6qJoJ1KhwKXaSsTZ30juX G5yJvCbf806TJ3uhMgOS7Z+RbAtMN8GEqtChUW1mG2za87Q+Tc/IVyli2 AftBhfQ83VMQ4D2Eupe5cNOWeXqjAUkQ+ElHavQ+/2BBBqqZr+AFVAV/4 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D/AQCKsadW/49dJa1egzpSbQaIUbIeA?= =?us-ascii?q?Q2BYhgMhWsCgU44FAEBAQEBAQF/C4RCAQEEAQEBNzQLEAIBCBIkECcLFw4CBA4?= =?us-ascii?q?FiBsOvmQBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEVhjKEbYRJhD0FlnkBhUWIEIFeS?= =?us-ascii?q?oN6iFeFcohQAR4BAUKDaWqHSHwBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,350,1449532800"; d="scan'208";a="230161840" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 26 Jan 2016 17:54:16 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com (xch-aln-018.cisco.com [173.36.7.28]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0QHsGp6014397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:54:16 GMT Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com (173.36.7.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:54:15 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) by XCH-ALN-018.cisco.com ([173.36.7.28]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:54:15 -0600 From: "Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi)" To: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04.txt Thread-Index: AQHRWGIaLVzKgwK7q0WofvZScpMqX58N8s4A Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:54:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160126175048.22582.55697.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20160126175048.22582.55697.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.2.150604 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.86.250.246] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Mike Taillon \(mtaillon\)" , Manav Bhatia , Lizhong Jin , "Rakesh Gandhi \(rgandhi\)" , "Tarek Saad \(tsaad\)" , "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:54:18 -0000 Hi WG, This update is posted to refresh the dates as draft was expiring. thanks, Rakesh On 2016-01-26 9:50 AM, "Teas on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and >Signaling Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Extensions to Resource Reservation Protocol For >Fast Reroute of Traffic Engineering GMPLS LSPs > Authors : Mike Taillon > Tarek Saad > Rakesh Gandhi > Zafar Ali > Manav Bhatia > Lizhong Jin > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2016-01-26 > >Abstract: > This document defines Resource Reservation Protocol - Traffic > Engineering (RSVP-TE) signaling extensions to support Fast Reroute > (FRR) of Packet Switched Capable (PSC) Generalized Multi-Protocol > Label Switching (GMPLS) Label Switched Paths (LSPs). These signaling > extensions allow the coordination of bidirectional bypass tunnel > assignment protecting a common facility in both forward and reverse > directions of a co-routed bidirectional LSP. In addition, these > extensions enable the re-direction of bidirectional traffic and > signaling onto bypass tunnels that ensure co-routedness of data and > signaling paths in the forward and reverse directions after FRR to > avoid RSVP soft-state timeout. > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute/ > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-04 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-gmpls-lsp-fastreroute-= 04 > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >Teas mailing list >Teas@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Jan 26 12:22:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675F31B2CE2; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yBgBKbbTN7gQ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B41921B2CDB; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:22:20 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c618062d-f79d16d000001b1c-a8-56a7d2b36bfa Received: from EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.84]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 9B.91.06940.4B2D7A65; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:10:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC004.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:22:19 -0500 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Daniele Ceccarelli , Lou Berger , "Yemin (Amy)" , CCAMP Thread-Topic: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? Thread-Index: AQHRQgTJ4eA8STj5VEaZmrOzDGs3j574xAMQgAGGeACAAzl9AIAEKI8AgAy5QKA= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:22:14 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122199484F@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD31347@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <568FDFD1.6060505@labn.net> <9C5FD3EFA72E1740A3D41BADDE0B461F9CD3DE05@szxema506-mbs.china.huawei.com> <569961D6.9080404@labn.net> <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A42B@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <4A1562797D64E44993C5CBF38CF1BE4812B4A42B@ESESSMB301.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrKIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiO6WS8vDDG5+ELc4sewwi8Xmjg1s Fk/m3GCx2LVxNaNFR/NbFouTd6+zW7T+2MHiwO5x9uY/Fo+WI29ZPZYs+cnk8WFTM5tHy7le 9gDWKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6MQ5f3sRR86GGsON3A28C4oJOxi5GTQ0LAROLN3TZ2CFtM4sK9 9WxdjFwcQgJHGCWWbZrAApIQEljOKDH5uSGIzSZgJPFiYw87SJGIwEygovPXGUEcZoE1jBIn 7n9gA6kSFiiQ6NnxFqxbRKBQ4sGCucwQtp9E45OzYDaLgKrE8ydnmEBsXgFficZZU1khVi9k ktjxeh/YfZxADSvWfwNrYAS67/upNWANzALiEreezGeCuFtAYsme88wQtqjEy8f/WCFsJYlJ S88B2RxA9ZoS63fpQ7QqSkzpfsgOsVdQ4uTMJywTGMVmIZk6C6FjFpKOWUg6FjCyrGLkKC0u yMlNNzLYxAiMvGMSbLo7GO9P9zzEKMDBqMTDa3BoeZgQa2JZcWXuIUYJDmYlEd7f64FCvCmJ lVWpRfnxRaU5qcWHGKU5WJTEeW14F4UJCaQnlqRmp6YWpBbBZJk4OKUaGB3XZ7xonPXosimj Nf/cE9sy37VtfWS8eYF/d9Emzmdcm58XMzrddt/aWp6+PPjVm9ydvdLbjm2VXFH44ce8imln uY14s/uXtDy4Z1Wwd4KNcMDiGe8TpLokDqxeXprdseHNLma3+xz//3pk6mj9mfxVUK/kr2bu nU9+h7gXsKh5lzGoBM1MKlBiKc5INNRiLipOBACGowOWuAIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: Longhao , D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo , "Shah, Himanshu" , TEAS WG Subject: Re: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? 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<7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122199484F@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Longhao , D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo , TEAS WG , "Shah, Himanshu" Subject: Re: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:36:24 -0000 Seems reasonable and probably better than an ordering based solution... Lou On 1/26/2016 3:22 PM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Dear Daniele, Lou, et. al, > apologies for prolonged silence in the discussion. > I agree that Option 2 offers more elegant solution but it would require change to Availability TLV for the case when Ethernet_TSPEC includes multiple Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs. In such scenario, as I understand Section 4.1 of RFC 6003, each of the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLVs within the same Ethernet_TSPEC will have unique value in the Index field. If we add Index field to the Availability TLV, reference it to the Index field as described in the Section 4.1 and note that mapping between two types of TLVs established via the Index would that acceptable solution? > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniele Ceccarelli > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 4:47 AM > To: Lou Berger; Yemin (Amy); CCAMP > Cc: Gregory Mirsky; Longhao; D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; TEAS WG; Shah, Himanshu > Subject: RE: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for availability address your comments? > > Lou, Amy, > > Let me try to rephrase the 2 options: > > Option 1) As actually proposed by the draft. > > + Ethernet Sender T-spec Object > ++ EXISTING Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV (type 2) > ++ NEW Extended Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV (e.g. type 4 - used instead of type 2 when availability is needed) > +++ NEW availability sub-TLV of the NEW Extended Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV > > Option 2) > > + Ethernet Sender T-spec Object > ++ EXISTING Ethernet bandwidth profile TLV (type 2) > ++ NEW availability TLV to be used in conjunction with the type2 TLV when needed. > > > Since the Ethernet Sender T-SPEC object allows for carrying multiple TLVs I tend to agree with Lou. When no availability is requested only the Ethernet BW profile TLV will be included, otherwise both it and the new availability one. > > BR > Daniele > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: venerdì 15 gennaio 2016 22:17 >> To: Yemin (Amy); CCAMP >> Cc: Gregory Mirsky; Longhao; D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; TEAS WG; >> Shah, Himanshu >> Subject: Re: [Teas] Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft >> for availability address your comments? >> >> Amy, >> I think we're left with one substantive discussion topic: >> >>>> 3) Approach >>>> >>>> Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and >>>> RFC6003 Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet >>>> Bandwidth Profile TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the >>>> Availability sub-tlv as a a new Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV >>>> type. This also helps backwards compatibility. >>> [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with >>> bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = >>> 200Mbps, availability = 99.99%). >>> >>> That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under >>> Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. >>> >>> As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not >>> capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile >>> TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in IETF90. >> So we're discussing two options: >> >> Option 1) new TLV with new optional sub-TLV(s) + Availability sub-TLV >> - New TLV : Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availab >> ility- >> 03#section-3.1.1 >> >> - NEW TLV = RFC6003 Section 4.1 + option sub-TLV(s) and Availability >> sub-TLV carried in new TLV, carried when using availability, >> >> Option 2) Availability TLV >> -No change to RFC 6003 or Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV >> - Optional new Availability TLV carried when using availability >> >> >> It seems to me that the carried information and the semantics are >> equivalent. But option 1 defines a strictly redundant information >> format, with both added implementation and interoperability overhead. >> So why not just go with option 2, i.e., drop section 3.1.1. and define >> 3.1.2 as a tlv of the Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object? >> >> Lou >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/13/2016 9:05 PM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> >>> >>> Below is the offline discussion on >>> “draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availability-extension-03” and >>> “draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-03”. >>> >>> You are welcome to give comments. >>> >>> >>> >>> BR, >>> >>> Amy >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:*Yemin (Amy) >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:35 PM >>> *To:* 'Lou Berger' >>> *Cc:* D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory >>> Mirsky; Longhao >>> *Subject:* RE: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft >>> for availability address your comments? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Lou, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for reply. Please see my reply starting with [Amy]. >>> >>> >>> >>> BR, >>> >>> Amy >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:12 AM >>> To: Yemin (Amy) >>> Cc: D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo; Shah, Himanshu; Gregory Mirsky; >>> Longhao >>> Subject: Re: Could you check if the latest OSPF extension draft for >>> availability address your comments? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Amy, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/29/2015 1:47 AM, Yemin (Amy) wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lou, >>>> Could you kindly check if the latest OSPF extension draft for >>>> availability address your comments? >>> >>> >>> Here are my original comments and their resolution: >>> >>>> On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>>>> Abstract: > - States applies to PSC > >>> fixed . >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Sections 1 > - (general comment) informative sections such as >>>>> Intro and Overview >>>>> shouldn't contain normative (RFC2119) language. See > >>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some >>>> suggested guidelines. > >>> you still have a conformance statement in the abstract. This is a >>> nit >>> >>> and can be fixed whenever you do the next rev. >>> >>> [Amy] Thanks for pointing it out. Will fix it. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Section 2 > - You mention "by the PE node" (and in two other >>>>> places in the > >>>> document). I have don't understand why "PE" is being introduced. > >>>> Perhaps you mean simply "a node"? > >>> >>> >>> done. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Section 3.1 > - You duplicate a format definition from RFC4203. >>>>> I think this >>>> should > be replaced with a simple sentence stating that "The >>>> Interface Switching > Capacity Descriptor (ISCD) sub-TLV is >>>> defined in >>>> Section 1.4 of [RFC 4203]". > >>> done. as a nit comment you can get rid of section 3.1 and just move >>> the >>> >>> reference to the first time you refer to ISCD >>> >>> >>> >>>>> - More significantly you are actually changing its format, and >>>>> in >>> particular taking 8 bits from the existing reserved field: > > A >>> >>>> new AI field is defined in this document. > >>> AI is gone, right? >>> >>> [Amy] Yes, AI is removed. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> - Taking bits from the reserved field is a major change and >>>>> needs to be > >>> justified. The purpose *and the use* of this new field, >>> >>>> Availability > Index, is unclear in the document. It needs to be, >>>> or >>>> better yet, drop it. > > Section 3.2: > - Why limit Availability >>>> information to PSC and LSC? > >>> >>> >>> This limitation remains. I thought you agreed to dropping this in your >>> >>> mail back in August. >>> >>> [Amy] Sorry, I missed this point. Will fix it. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> Section 6.1 > - A number of references listed as Normative are >>>>> not required to > >>>> implement the mechanisms in the document and therefore should be > >>>> identified as Informative. >>> >>> >>> I think this needs some change, but this can be resolved >>> independently >>> >>> of LC. >>> >>> [Amy] OK. >>> >>> >>> >>>> The attached is the mail discussion in July and Aug.We believe >>>> that >>>> the latest drafts addressed the comments in these mails, please check. >>>> The latest drafts links >>>> arehttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-ospf-availabi >>>> li >>>> ty-extension/, >>>> and >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidt >>>> h- >> availability/. >>> >>> >>> My original comments were: >>> >>>> On 7/25/2015 12:20 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>>>> Hi, > I reviewed this document from the perspective of how >>>>> generalized it >>>>> is in its current form. > > I think this document's scope in >>>>> it's >>>> current form is limited to > RFC6003. I think it sould retitle the >>>> draft to something like "Ethernet > Traffic Parameters With >>>> Availability Information" to align with RFC6003. >>> Done. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> The document could also use RFC6003 as a 'design pattern' for >>>>> some > >>> reediting of its sections/text. >>> >>> >>> >>> So I guess this wasn't a sufficiently detailed comment. I see >>> several >>> >>> issues with section 3. In order of least to most significant: >>> >>> 1) Editorial nits: >>> >>> There is no section 3.1 >>> >>> There are grammar and spelling errors in the section >>> >>> [Amy] Will fix it. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2) Formatting problems in sections 3.1.x >>> >>> Type and length are included, when they aren't in RFC6003 >>> Section >>> 4.1 >>> >>> Type isn't identified as needing to be assigned >>> >>> Most fields lack definition >>> >>> AF is defined as a redefinition of the Profile field rather than >>> >>> simply a definition >>> >>> of a new bit in the field. It should simply be an >>> assignment of >>> >>> a new flag, i.e.: >>> >>> Flag 3 (bit 1): Availability Flag (AF) >>> >>> I also don't see the value of the flag as the rfc6003 already >>> >>> accommodates optional tlv inclusion and no explicit indication of >>> >>> subsequent TLVs is required. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3) Approach >>> >>> Given that there is really no difference between 3.1.1. and >>> RFC6003 >>> >>> Section 4.1, I suggest dropping the Extended Ethernet Bandwidth >>> Profile >>> >>> TLV (section 3.1.1) and just adding the Availability sub-tlv as a a >>> new >>> >>> Ethernet SENDER_TSPEC object TLV type. This also helps backwards >>> >>> compatibility. >>> >>> [Amy] I will reply 2) and 3) together. The availability comes with >>> bandwidth together, for example, the request is (bandwidth = >>> 200Mbps, availability = 99.99%). >>> >>> That’s why the Availability sub-tlv is defined as a sub-tlv under >>> Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV. >>> >>> As the Ethernet Bandwidth Profile TLV defined in RFC6003 is not >>> capable to carry sub-tlv, a new Extended Ethernet Bandwidth Profile >>> TLV is defined. This was presented and discussed in IETF90. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4) Section 3.2 >>> >>> This isn't needed, i.e., the section should be dropped, as this is >>> >>> already provided for in RF6003 Section 5. >>> >>> [Amy] Ok. >>> >>> >>> >>> 5) Section 3.3 >>> >>> >>> >>> This section should refer back to RFC6003 section 7 and be modified >>> to >>> >>> talk about the additional processing related to the Availability TLV >>> >>> (which shouldn't be a big change). >>> >>> >>> >>> You can drop the last paragraph as it is sufficiently covered in >>> 6003, >>> >>> but you do need to mention what is expected to happen, as >>> informative >>> >>> text, on a node that doesn't support the new tlv. >>> >>> [Amy] Will update it. >>> >>> >>> >>> 6) The IANA section will need to be updated accordingly >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> I also suggest reviewing > >>>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/trac/wiki/PSGuidelines for some >>>> suggested guidelines. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> If the drafts addressed all the comments, could it be moved forward? >>>> Or if you have any other comments, just let us know. >>> >>> >>> So I think we're left with a minor comment + nits on the OSPF >>> document >>> >>> and some more substantive work on the RSVP draft. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> BTW, take this chance to wish a happy new year! >>> >>> >>> To you as well! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Lou >>> >>>> BR, >>>> Amy(on behalf of the co-authors) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Jan 26 19:18:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BAC1B34D7; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:18:14 -0800 (PST) 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WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11415d2697e705052a5078ff Archived-At: Cc: iesg-secretary@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting - Jan 28 2016 - Final Agenda X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:06:35 -0000 --001a11415d2697e705052a5078ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Agenda - TEAS Virtual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection) Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins) https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m86ad10faf23c77d57acbd0116b5504be Meeting Number: 649 055 947 Meeting Password: INGRESS-EGRESS Audio Connection Details -- 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 649 055 947 The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two alternatives contained in . A secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on , and gauge WG consensus on both drafts. 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- 10 min - Intro= /Agenda (Chairs)
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- 6= 5 min - RSVP-Ingress Protection
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 35 min - Solution Proposals: Comparative Analysis (Huaimo Chen)
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- 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Ope= n Discussion)

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Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A8CF8A.6080500@labn.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:09:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] A basic question on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:09:37 -0000 Hi, I have a question on draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection that is prompted by today's interim and can be covered there and/or on list: Given that the draft says: > The egress local protection may be generalized and used with the > segment protection defined in RFC 4873 . How it is generalized and > used is out of scope for this document. > Why define a new set of formats and mechanisms when an existing set of formats and mechanisms can be used or adapted to (a) provide the same function and (b) do so in a more general way? I look forward to hearing/discussing the rational for not not reusing what we already have defined. Thanks, Lou From nobody Wed Jan 27 06:22:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98F81B2EA8; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:22:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nkv8EKsF85fL; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 06:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0796.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::1:796]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E21F1B2E80; 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DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR05MB706; H:CY1PR0501MB1609.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts) Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Jan 2016 14:22:29.3554 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR05MB706 Archived-At: Cc: "ccamp@ietf.org" , "jpv@cisco.com" , "teas@ietf.org" , "akatlas@gmail.com" , "pce@ietf.org" , David Sinicrope , Vishnu Pavan Beeram Subject: Re: [Teas] [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:22:58 -0000 --_004_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_" --_000_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gabriele, David, My preference would be to let BBF decide upon the scope of their work. So w= hether BBF wants to deal with Fiber Channel should be their choice. In line= with that thought, the physical composition of the architecture BBF wants = to look at shouldn't concern ccamp a whole lot. In my view we should try to provide some guidance on how to deal with the t= ransition from SNMP to yang in general and the control of optical interface= s in particular. External bodies like to reference RFCs, but on the ccamp end there are stil= l gaps: 1) existing SNMP RFCs do not cover the provisioning of the colored side of = an optical interface 2) SNMP as means of provisioning is discouraged 3) yang models to provision interfaces are lingering in individual draft st= atus since a while 4) other yang models that may be of interest to BBF are not in RFC status y= et So perhaps we should respond with a framework draft as discussed last IETF = to outline what we are committed to work on so that BBF can built upon it. Gert Sent from my Apple ][ On 25 Jan 2016, at 19:39, Gabriele Maria Galimberti (ggalimbe) > wrote: Hi David, Thanks for the reminder. I have few general notes on the document. * I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN. Also= Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel). * In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in T= R-319 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment. * The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different servic= e request (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter) * I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Ful= ly integrated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other s= ide). * Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage the = Protection and the diverse path. * Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to= the Edge (SRLG RRO) * XRO to exclude critical elements on the network when signalling LS= P (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting traffic. * Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id * I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and deplo= yment. Best Regards, Gabriele <273031C1-0F11-4D42-9226-D16B7CB14162[8].png> Gabriele Galimberti Principal Engineer Cisco Photonics Srl via S.Maria Molgora, 48 C 20871 - Vimercate (MB) Italy www.cisco.com/global/IT/ ggalimbe@cisco.com Phone :+39 039 2091462 Mobile :+39 335 7481947 Fax :+39 039 2092049 From: CCAMP > on beha= lf of David Sinicrope > Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53 PM To: "ccamp@ietf.org" >, "pce@ietf.org" >, "teas@ietf.org" > Cc: "jpv@cisco.com" >, "vbeeram@juniper.net" >, "akatlas@gmail.com" > Subject: [CCAMP] Response to Broadband Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Net= work Optimization using DWDM Interfaces 18-Dec-2016 Hi All, Just a reminder to the CCAMP, PCE and TEAS WGs that we still have https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1449/ requesting a response. Please finalize and send your comments to the respective WG Chairs if you h= aven't already. We will coordinate a joint WG response. Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________ CCAMP mailing list CCAMP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ccamp --_000_D074283377444628AB253878CBB69481junipernet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gabriele, David,

My preference would be to let BBF decide upo= n the scope of their work. So whether BBF wants to deal with Fiber Channel = should be their choice. In line with that thought, the physical composition= of the architecture BBF wants to look at shouldn't  concern ccamp a whole lot.

In my view we should try to provide some gui= dance on how to deal with the transition from SNMP to yang in general and t= he control of optical interfaces in particular.

External bodies like to reference RFCs, but = on the ccamp end there are still gaps: 
1) existing SNMP RFCs do not cover the provi= sioning of the colored side of an optical interface
2) SNMP as means of provisioning is discoura= ged
3) yang models to provision interfaces are l= ingering in individual draft status since a while
4) other yang models that may be of interest= to BBF are not in RFC status yet

So perhaps we should respond with a framewor= k draft as discussed last IETF to outline what we are committed to work on = so that BBF can built upon it.

Gert 



Sent from my Apple ][
Hi David, 
Thanks for the reminder.

I have few general notes on the document.
  • I would NOT limit the Client interface (Dd) to Ethernet or OTN.  A= lso Data center interfaces should be supported (like Fiber Channel).
    • In WT-319 Part-B is mentioned the fully separated solution while in TR-31= 9 the fully integrated DWDM interface in the client equipment.
    • The two solutions can signal on the UNI interface different service req= uest (Ethernet or OTN in the former, optical channel in the latter)
      • I'd like to see also the Hybrid solution to be supported (i.e. Fully integ= rated on one side of the circuit and fully separated on the other side).
  • Although are not yet RFC there are some draft proposal to manage t= he Protection and the diverse path.
    • Support of LSP SRLG collection in the core and sharing the list to the = Edge  (SRLG RRO)
    • XRO to exclude critical elements on the netwo= rk when signalling LSP (at node link and SRLG level) carrying protecting tr= affic.
    • Diverse path signalling based on LSP-id
  • I'd discourage the use of SNMP for the network provisioning and de= ployment.

Best Regards, 

Gabriele




Gabriele Galimberti Principal Engineer
Cisco Photonics Srl



via S.Maria Molgora, 48 C

20871 - Vimercate (MB)
Italy
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From: CCAMP <ccamp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of David Si= nicrope <david.sinicrope= @ericsson.com>
Date: Monday, January 25, 2016 5:53= PM
To: "ccamp@ietf.org" <cca= mp@ietf.org>, "pce@ietf.org= " <pce@ietf.org>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>
Cc: "jpv@cisco.com" <jpv@ci= sco.com>, "vbeeram@junip= er.net" <vbeeram@juniper= .net>, "akatlas@gmail.com" <= ;akatlas@gmail.com>
Subject: [CCAMP] Response to Broadb= and Forum Liaison - Achieving Packet Network Optimization using DWDM Interf= aces 18-Dec-2016

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Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.54.162 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:52:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 16:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1137cc266a04ad052a57d233 Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting - Jan 28 2016 - Final Agenda X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:52:47 -0000 --001a1137cc266a04ad052a57d233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Lou and Pavan, I regret that I won't be able to attend, since this is against the IESG telechat. Therefore, as an individual contributor on this draft, I am expressing my personal opinion on the list now. Frankly, I do not see sufficient interest in the working group or on the mailing list for this draft to progress. The draft was an effort to merge two different mechanisms to solve, via RSVP-TE mechanisms, a problem that is already handled outside of the protocol in different ways today. The draft has moved towards expecting traffic into the LSP to come from an intelligent source, such as a CE; that's fine but that's exactly the case currently handled outside the protocol. Despite multiple appeals to the WG mailing list and presentations to try and resolve the technical conflicts between the two mechanisms, there simply hasn't been interested discussion and even many of the contributors have not engaged. Efforts to discuss the technical concerns or options have not led to conclusions. I do not think the current draft sufficiently describes the needed behavior for interoperability. The new draft reflects an effort to force a result by assertion. At some point, when there is a clear lack of interest and consensus in the WG, we have to be willing to say no and stop working on the draft. It's always hard to suggest this for something one has worked on, but, in this case, where I still have seen no customer demand and no interest from the WG, I think that is the best option. After two years, I don't see how we can expect improvement or interest to materialize. It is, obviously, your call - but since I am listed as a contributor and did pour a considerable amount of effort into trying to fix the draft and methods, I wanted to clearly express my perspective. Regards, Alia On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Agenda - TEAS Virtual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress > Protection) > Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins) > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m86ad10faf23c77d57acbd0116b5504be > > Meeting Number: 649 055 947 > Meeting Password: INGRESS-EGRESS > > Audio Connection Details -- > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Access code: 649 055 947 > > The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two > alternatives contained in . A > secondary purpose is to facilitate further discussion on > , and gauge WG consensus on both > drafts. > > Drafts: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection/ > > - 10 min - Intro/Agenda (Chairs) > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-1.pdf > > - 65 min - RSVP-Ingress Protection > - 35 min - Solution Proposals: Comparative Analysis (Huaimo Chen) > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-0.pdf > - 25 min - Open Discussion > - 05 min - Discussion Summary / Next-Steps (Chairs) > > - 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Open Discussion) > > Meeting Materials - > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/proceedings.html > > Etherpad - > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1 > > Regards, > - Pavan and Lou > > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > --001a1137cc266a04ad052a57d233 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lou and Pavan,

<hat=3D"indiv= idual-contributor">
I regret that I won't be able to = attend, since this is against the IESG telechat.
Therefore, as an= individual contributor on this draft, I am expressing my personal
opinion on the list now.

Frankly, I do not see s= ufficient interest in the working group or on the mailing list
fo= r this draft to progress.=C2=A0 The draft was an effort to merge two differ= ent mechanisms
to solve, via RSVP-TE mechanisms, a problem that i= s already handled outside of the
protocol in different ways today= .=C2=A0 The draft has moved towards expecting traffic into
the LS= P to come from an intelligent source, such as a CE; that's fine but tha= t's exactly
the case currently handled outside the protocol.<= /div>

Despite multiple appeals to the WG mailing list an= d presentations to try and resolve the
technical conflicts betwee= n the two mechanisms, there simply hasn't been interested discussion an= d even many of the contributors have not engaged.=C2=A0 Efforts to discuss = the
technical concerns or options have not led to conclusions. I = do not =C2=A0think the current draft=C2=A0
sufficiently describes= the needed behavior for interoperability.=C2=A0 The new draft reflects
an effort to force a result by assertion.

A= t some point, when there is a clear lack of interest and consensus in the W= G, we have
to be willing to say no and stop working on the draft.= =C2=A0 It's always hard to suggest this
for something one has= worked on, but, in this case, where I still have seen no customer demand a= nd no interest from the WG, I think that is the best option. =C2=A0

After two years, I don't see how we can expect improv= ement or interest to materialize.

It is, obviously= , your call - but since I am listed as a contributor and did pour a conside= rable amount of effort into trying to fix the draft and methods, I wanted t= o clearly express my perspective.

Regards,
Alia
</hat>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beer= am <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:
Agenda - TEAS Virt= ual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection)
= Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins)

https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm86ad10faf23c7= 7d57acbd0116b5504be

Meeting Number: 649 055 947
M= eeting Password: INGRESS-EGRESS

Audio Connection Details --1-= 877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)
1-650-47= 9-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
Access code: 649 055 947
<= div>
The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two=20 alternatives contained in=20 <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection>. A secondary purpose is=20 to facilitate further discussion on=20 <draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection>, and gauge WG consensus=20 on both drafts.


- 10 min - Intro= /Agenda (Chairs)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/tea= s/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-1.pdf

- 65 min - RSVP-= Ingress Protection
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 35 min - Solution Proposals: Comparative Analysis (Huaimo Chen)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/= teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-0.pdf
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 25 min - Open Discussion
 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - 05 min - Discussion Summary / Next-Steps (Chairs)

- 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Ope= n Discussion)


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--001a1137cc266a04ad052a57d233-- From nobody Wed Jan 27 14:10:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3160D1B2C09 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:10:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.666 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.666 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UQkblKmaJqA2 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F3D051B2C04 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6328 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2016 22:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2016 22:09:58 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id BA9c1s00v2SSUrH01A9fPn; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:09:43 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=dqRIVTQ4 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=NojvYFcnAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=7zMTXNoy3-QUBZ-617kA:9 a=HIwspbkN-9LjW9H5:21 a=QkOakGaMIJc-a8Oz:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=NU7HZUQD-k8A:10 a=T8E0iRN_syYA:10 a=EblpKjbsgisA:10 a=9uUzcS5Nrb8A:10 a=PMaYxmk9oLwA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=yRPS1T0SXjzRPT4ZBIdac/5EIwI0Cr97a+7h2XQUOsg=; b=yH0LLMdfMRCy9GEA6uDki0kyRu/z3BVgMZdUV+Xr/+KP3ooE8Q/YpIn/2Sd/s/BEcFNkBKFKDWfYxbhZGcfM8iWr0GLW4BSDHfMYBofOcE//aOqqjimJQ0EqeW1tGeYq; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:48497 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aOYHS-0000qq-CI; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:09:38 -0700 To: Alia Atlas , Vishnu Pavan Beeram References: From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56A94019.4000906@labn.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 17:09:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting - Jan 28 2016 - Final Agenda X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:10:04 -0000 Alia, I think you pretty much capture the reasons that we called for this interim. And, yes, hearing about implementation status will be quite important in deciding on how to move forward post meeting. Lou { "hat": "chair"; } On 1/27/2016 4:52 PM, Alia Atlas wrote: > Hi Lou and Pavan, > > > I regret that I won't be able to attend, since this is against the > IESG telechat. > Therefore, as an individual contributor on this draft, I am expressing > my personal > opinion on the list now. > > Frankly, I do not see sufficient interest in the working group or on > the mailing list > for this draft to progress. The draft was an effort to merge two > different mechanisms > to solve, via RSVP-TE mechanisms, a problem that is already handled > outside of the > protocol in different ways today. The draft has moved towards > expecting traffic into > the LSP to come from an intelligent source, such as a CE; that's fine > but that's exactly > the case currently handled outside the protocol. > > Despite multiple appeals to the WG mailing list and presentations to > try and resolve the > technical conflicts between the two mechanisms, there simply hasn't > been interested discussion and even many of the contributors have not > engaged. Efforts to discuss the > technical concerns or options have not led to conclusions. I do not > think the current draft > sufficiently describes the needed behavior for interoperability. The > new draft reflects > an effort to force a result by assertion. > > At some point, when there is a clear lack of interest and consensus in > the WG, we have > to be willing to say no and stop working on the draft. It's always > hard to suggest this > for something one has worked on, but, in this case, where I still have > seen no customer demand and no interest from the WG, I think that is > the best option. > > After two years, I don't see how we can expect improvement or interest > to materialize. > > It is, obviously, your call - but since I am listed as a contributor > and did pour a considerable amount of effort into trying to fix the > draft and methods, I wanted to clearly express my perspective. > > Regards, > Alia > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram > > wrote: > > Agenda - TEAS Virtual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection / > Egress Protection) > Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins) > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m86ad10faf23c77d57acbd0116b5504be > > Meeting Number: 649 055 947 > Meeting Password: INGRESS-EGRESS > > Audio Connection Details -- > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number > (US/Canada) > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Access code: 649 055 947 > > The main purpose of the meeting is to help select one of the two > alternatives contained in > . A secondary purpose is > to facilitate further discussion on > , and gauge WG consensus > on both drafts. > > Drafts: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection/ > > - 10 min - Intro/Agenda (Chairs) > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-1.pdf > > - 65 min - RSVP-Ingress Protection > - 35 min - Solution Proposals: Comparative Analysis > (Huaimo Chen) > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-0.pdf > > - 25 min - Open Discussion > - 05 min - Discussion Summary / Next-Steps (Chairs) > > - 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Open Discussion) > > Meeting Materials - > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/proceedings.html > > Etherpad - > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1 > > Regards, > - Pavan and Lou > > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > From nobody Wed Jan 27 14:55:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398761B308C; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:55:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QRAZ7I9qsJkZ; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 14:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0140.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.140]) (using 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To: RKunze@telekom.de Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143fc8e7763e8052a6427f5 Archived-At: Cc: draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording@ietf.org, TEAS WG Chairs , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teas] Regardig IPR on draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 12:35:34 -0000 --001a1143fc8e7763e8052a6427f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + teas On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:28 AM, wrote: > Hi all. > > > > No, I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > > > Br, > > R=C3=BCdiger > > > > > > > > *Von:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com] > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 26. Januar 2016 22:31 > *An:* draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording@ietf.org > *Cc:* TEAS WG Chairs > *Betreff:* Fwd: Regardig IPR on draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording > > > > Authors, Hi! > > We seem to be still missing one IPR response (Ruediger). We would need al= l > responses (authors/contributors) before taking this draft to the last cal= l. > > Also, please post a revised version and reactivate the draft. > > Regards, > > - Pavan > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Vishnu Pavan Beeram* > Date: Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 9:22 AM > Subject: Regardig IPR on draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording > To: "Zafar Ali (zali)" , "George Swallow (swallow)" < > swallow@cisco.com>, cfilsfil@cisco.com, Matt Hartley = , > ke-kumaki@kddi.com, Ruediger.Kunze@telekom.de > Cc: "teas@ietf.org" , teas-chairs@ietf.org > > Authors, Contributors, (and TEAS WG), > > As part of the preparation for WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the TEAS WG email list but are not listed as an author or > contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules > which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of > others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any > contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more > information, please see the RFCs listed above and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > - TEAS WG Chairs > > PS: Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > --001a1143fc8e7763e8052a6427f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+ teas

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 7:28 AM, <RKunze@telekom.de&= gt; wrote:

Hi all.

=C2=A0

No, =C2=A0= I=E2=80=99m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.<= /span>

=C2= =A0

Br,=

R=C3=BCdig= er

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

=C2= =A0

Von: Vishnu Pa= van Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. Januar 2016 22:31
An: draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording@ietf.org
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs
Betreff: Fwd: Regardig IPR on draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording=

=C2=A0

Authors, Hi!

We seem to be still m= issing one IPR response (Ruediger). We would need all responses (authors/co= ntributors) before taking this draft to the last call.

Also, please post a r= evised version and reactivate the draft.

Regards,

- Pavan

=C2=A0<= /p>

---------- Forwarded = message ----------
From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 9:22 AM
Subject: Regardig IPR on draft-ietf-teas-te-metric-recording
To: "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com>, "George Swallow (swallow)" = <swallow@cisco.co= m>, cfilsfil@cisco.com<= /a>, Matt Hartley <mhartley@cisco.com>, ke-kumaki@kddi.com<= /a>, Ruediger.Kunze@telekom.de
Cc: "teas@ietf.org<= /a>" <teas@ietf.= org>, teas-chairs@ietf.= org

Authors, Contributors, (and TEAS WG),

As part of the preparation for WG Last Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

=C2=A0 Please state either:

=C2=A0 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft&qu= ot;
=C2=A0 or
=C2=A0 "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If yes to the above, please state either:

=C2=A0 "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR ru= les"
=C2=A0 or
=C2=A0 "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

=C2=A0 If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think =C2=A0 appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR.=C2=A0 This document will not advance to the next=
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor.=C2=A0 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS
MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the TEAS WG email list but are not listed as an author or
contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules
which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of
others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any
contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR.=C2=A0 For more<= br> information, please see the RFCs listed above and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Int= ellectualProperty.

Thank you,
- TEAS WG Chairs

PS: Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.

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--001a1143fc8e7763e8052a6427f5-- From nobody Thu Jan 28 10:31:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AC01B2F3D; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:31:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCWO8Lj_x2et; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EFE41B2F3C; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id n1so28806957vkb.3; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:31:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ZGUA20fEc842PiI63LPFFNzu0GLLvPwGgyoW8WW8UKA=; b=GTXULM3mTFUZOgyuCewffK+pWwUs7nDtWlK1RDExYTPVjllEn46IMuNQbl/DGLs55d 1xKI4t9sMvw54JAnddZFzD/vJyRfReIJ2E2l7T9L/iYjxPJNXLvkWe4hoXbK8v5QUBi0 Dx97RNIDRDP2areP+Ww8AbkJBxp1yaKq2NrWr6k9odKvWsmTtJwQc/j2qmR7rRWex/ft wS808j89CXoupIa6efMsggxnKuYYv+b1/jnbRijMAgndMO/IyTovTfhJNC5BeV6Mm/wq hVtnLgfPeY1AUYrKB+Qv8G88hitPVbRvp9eo6uY5rIs8ah3zvwtssvwcLdNJYMCF48DQ 3omw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=ZGUA20fEc842PiI63LPFFNzu0GLLvPwGgyoW8WW8UKA=; b=iTxifG0dtRgygL1F/DhujHPOGbpx93WphIXMsamFe6P/xTYupxBMbi7QdqqPVadmkV +XP4rwij24aTH8je5rKRsjgzRKvZqT4x2PLLNvslg/UioJkEbrZiFRS161Yi31+/2yDe 3yRsDtLsSHoEEOtryXI6N1cZDmBisfdIZDvLq3WE6tCkaU19j1QYdkU+W+/DaAkFCCXH Bgo9DO8Sd9LjNp12y3pYplGaXwrsHl1IbQjrICoMxRRPBYW1Ol7adCx6XDo979q0008g bwjoiKlGjiY+agpDcp/HCsg/BQfVMCmO6pa2Npo6usw0V9FF/MUif6ryMzypsDDUCn8s zQ/A== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOSN6ftKkeTxrRT2z1Bt5gY/jE/5vv65lS9kWRxa0TFOqMyQh9cRKnejLlnVwUJM7/s9ZroqVlArDy77Cg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.169.67 with SMTP id s64mr3170852vke.72.1454005892185; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:31:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.81.195 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:31:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram To: "teas@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11415d26b48717052a69203c Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting: Notes/Observations X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:31:40 -0000 --001a11415d26b48717052a69203c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Much Thanks to everyone who attended the interim meeting today. Raw notes are enclosed below, and are editable, via the URL: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1 Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link above. Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG) before being finalized. Please limit changes to what actually transpired in the meeting. Lou and I had a quick chat after the meeting. The following captures some of our main observations from the discussion on the ingress protection draft: (1) There is an acknowledgement of a problem, but there was also acknowledgement that the problem should be formally documented. We request the authors put together a brief addition to the draft summarizing the problem. Adrian Farrel has agreed to work with the authors on this. (2) There wasn't consensus among meeting participants on either of the 2 approaches documented in the -03 rev of the draft. There is also a fair bit of detail missing in the draft for both approaches before either could be viewed as being "ready". (3) From the participants responses, it's not clear if there is general interest in implementing either proposed solution. (Although there is one experimental implementation of one of the proposed approaches). Given this and the (2) we are considering proposing targeting the work to be published as "Experimental". Comments and discussion on the meeting, as well as our observations are welcome. Also, if you have any additional information you'd like to provide the chairs or the AD, e.g., related to implementation, please feel free to contact any of us directly. Regards, -Pavan (and Lou) *** > Final Agenda - TEAS Virtual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection / Egress Protection) > Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins) > Drafts: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection/ > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection/ > > - 10 min - Intro/Agenda (Chairs) > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-1.pdf > Lou Berger: we want to be clear that implementation status is requested by the IESG, so we'll need to talk about that. It's important that we can demonstrate interest and implementation to get a standards-track document through the IESG. > - 65 min - RSVP-Ingress Protection > - 35 min - Solution Proposals: Comparative Analysis (Huaimo Chen) > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-0.pdf > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-2016-teas-1-0.pptx Huaimo presents: Greg asks: Why do you say this mechanism is faster than e2e protection? Would you agree detection time is the same? Huaimo: Yes. Greg Mirsky: Question on claim that speed of recovery drives recovery Huaimo Chen: two things to bear in mind. One is detection time, and a later slide will give the whole picture. In addition to detecing the failure at ingress, also need failure detection at the CE downstream. Greg Mirsky: alternative solution has been defined in linear protectiuon and it solves this exact problem Greg Mirsky: with detection and switchover, speed is not a real factor Huaimo Chen: Lou Berger: Greg brings up another point, at least indirectly. in addition to having an existing solution that provides a solution at perhaps the same or different speed, it's important that we not define another solution if we already have one that's good enough Huaimo Chen: speed is one effect, but also need to consider speed and operabiity Ross Callon: has a question about function. If want to cover any failure along the path, end to end solves the general problem, but we may want to go through the sides first Lou Berger: I'd like to hear that discussion and it's fine to defer it to the open discussion, but we need to cover it. Ravi Torvi: Slide 5: On the semantics of the path message... you're saying it's just like any other Path mesage, but it seems to be completely different. Can you comment? Huaimo Chen: it's different - it has an egress protection object Ravi: slide doesn't say there are three steps. You have a totally different state machine on the backup. Huaimo Chen: have aslide with details later - we can discuss there. Tarek Saad: (at slide 6) is there an implicit assumption that the primary and backup ingress are connected back-to-back with a link? Can they be multiple hops apart? Huaimo Chen: yes, but need a tunnel to be one RSVP hop away Tarek Saad: are we re-using the same RSVP sesssion for the primary to relay messages for the backup? Huaimo Chen: yes Tarek Saad: so the backup ingress will behave as an LER in that case Huaimo Chen: yes Tarek Saad: thanks - that's not been clear in the past. Lou Berger: (slide 7) so to be clear on what you said earlier, even though the backup terminates on P1 on the slide it's actually the same egress as the primary? Huaimo: yes Tarek Saad: slide 9: for completeness on the relay method, if the backup is multiple hops away I'd need to configure another tunnel, right? Huaimo Chen: yes Tarek Saad: so that's another bullet you need Huaimo Chen: yes, good catch. (slide 12) Pavan Beeram: Can you elaborate on how the sync happens between primary ingress and backup ingress? Huaimo Chen: If something changes in the primary LSP it can be duplicated to the backup. Pavan Beeram: So in the case of the relay message you need to figure out additonal ways to maintain the state sync Huaimo Chen: Any changes in the primary can be duplicated to the backup Pavan Beeram: So you're taling about re-using the same Path message used on the primary and redirecting it elsewhere. Any other changes? No change to the ERO in the message from primary ingress to backup ingress? Huaimo Chen: EROs are copied across Pavan Beeram: So all object processing now needs special semantics Huaimo Chen: No, it's just copied over so nothing special Lou Berger: It sounds like this isn't a normal Path message - more a notification to the backup that it needs to provision something. To me it would make sense fo this to be a Notify rather than a Path Huaimo Chen: the Path from primary ingress to backup ingress is a special Path message; we'll check cross-connections Pavan Beeram: early versions of the draft had a different message, I think Ravi Torvi: initial versions defined a new message type; later it was changed to a Path. I don't remember why. Pavan Beeram: In the current form we've changed the semantics of all object processing. Conventional ERO processing will fail as the backup ingress isn't on the path. Huaimo Chen: After some thought we decided using an existing message was easier. Pavan Beeram: OK, it seems clear that there's some work to be done for state sync and the relay message between primary ingress and backup ingress. (slide 16) Pavan Beeram: For the relay message, is it a separate session to the backup or a different one? Huaimo Chen: Same, but different state. Relay message has extra state for Path and Resv messages to backup ingress. So for proxy-ingress method we need to keep the state for the Resv messages received from backup egress. Tarek Saad: On relay message point 3 (Resv coming back from primary): does it have a purpose besides being an ack? Huiamo Chen: It relays protection state to the primary ingress node. Tarek Saad: Thanks. And about the proxy-ingress - you talk about two sessions - why? Huaimo Chen: Better to talk about state. So there's two Path messages and two Resv messages. Tarek Saad: So how many sessions? Huaimo Chen: At high level, session for the relay message is the same. For proxy-ingress all sessions are the same, so just one. But if we want to compare from the scalability point of view, number of states is related to number of messages as we need to keep state for each message. > - 25 min - Open Discussion Ravi Torvi: would you consider tweaking the session handling after this discussion? i.e. it's not really a Path message, but something that needs special handling Huaimo Chen: yes, it needs special handling Ravi Torvi: Pavan mentioned that objects have a different interpretation Huaimo Chen: yes, the ingress protection object is different and may contain labels. Labels for proxy-ingress are carried by Resv message. Greg Mirsky: I wanted to come back to the earlier question about detection. I recall the document for ingress protection has an OAM session to detect that the primary ingress node fails from the backup ingress. Is that right? So this requires an OAM session between PE6 and PE5, so the backup monitors the primary ingress, right? Huaimo Chen: That would be nice to have. If a source delivers traffic to PE5 first and then switches it to PE6, on PE6 the forwarding entry there is active at the beginning. PE6 will forward traffic to the bypass LSP so traffic continues in the data plane. We also have to keep the primary LSP up by refreshing Path messages; this is achieved by detecting the failure of PE5, and after that we have to put Path messages into the tunnel and into the next hop (P1). We use can OAM, or a faster method is better. We can use a number of ways to detect failure but faster ones are better. Greg Mirsky: So what method are you proposing? I don't see how routing can identify that the node isn't functioning. e.g. if you use OSPF and expect that your LSA will age out, that takes 30 minutes. Huaimo Chen: Yes, that's too long. We can check routes in the routing table, so if you have no routes to PE5 you can say that it's gone. John Drake: You could wait for a sufficient period of time and you could verify whether individual links to the node have gone down or all of them, but that's a long time. Huaimo Chen: As soon as one link goes down we can check the rest John Drake: But that's not rapid detection Tarek Saad: Do we need to determine whether the node has failed? If I detect at the source that my link to PE5 has gone isn't that enough? Can't you rely on the link to PE5 going down Greg Mirsky: if PE6 detects that the link to PE5 is down, that doesn't mean the link from PE5 to P1 is down Tarek Saad: but a source behind both could check the liveness of PE5 Greg Mirsky: what the source checks isn't the liveness of PE5, but the liveness of its connection to PE5. Tarek Saad: OK Greg Mirsky: so PE5 can be fine as far as P1 is concerned. Tarek Saad: yes, that's the case in transport protection Greg Mirsky: So if we lose the link between the source and PE5 and switch over, PE5 doesn't know that this has happened Ravi Torvi: Upstream source detecting the failure is one model; the backup has to protect the primary going down. Greg Mirsky: My point is that this method is no better than multi-homing Ross Callon: to me this discussion needs to be clear in the spec. What are we protecting against, and not protecting against? How do we distinguish link down vs node down vs multiple links down? Lou Berger: discussion today isn't about whether this is complete - I hope we all agree there's a lot of work to be done. Question is which of these approaches should we pursue in the WG? One thing that comes to mind is implementation - do we have people iterested in implementing one or both models? Bearing in mind we're on the record. Huaimo Chen: Huawei were interested in implementing the relay method for ingress protection, and had a prototype for egress protection. Lou Berger:: Anyone else want to comment? Greg seems interested in linear protection? Ravi Torvi: We (Juniper) don't see any customer interest in ingress protection given the complexity and issues with failure detection, so we want to come up with a simple solution and decide whether we really need this. Lou Berger:: so you don't like the relay message and don't think it's consistent with rest of RSVP? Ravi Torvi: yes Ross Callon: on simplicity vs complexity - this seems a lot more complex than end-to-end protection and only solves part of the problem. Huaimo Chen: here the complexity is in the vendor-side, but we provide simplicity to the provider. Lou Berger:: So this solution focuses on a narrow piece of protection; it doesn't worry about the end-to-end problem of transit problem. Clearly some authors believe this is a problem that needs to be solved. Anyone want to talk about htat? Is an optimised ingress protection solution something that people think is important? Ravi Torvi: We don't see a need to solve this. Lou Berger:: So you thing end-to-end or other methods are good enough? Or this just isn't a problem? Ravi Torvi: It's just not a problem. Huaimo Chen: In the beginning we saw issues in real deployments and presented these at previous IETFs with early draft versions. End-to-end protection for P2MP LSPs is really complicated - this is easier. But the motivation for this all comes from real deployments. Advantages are that if we protect ingress and egress nodes we have a whole solution, so it's fast, easy and efficient. Ravi Torvi: Ross also mentioned that reliably detecting primary failure is something we've gone through before - we need a lot more than a BFD session. That leads to deployment issues and so this isn't just a RSVP extension - there's a lot of deployment issues too. Lou Berger:: it seems from the folks here that there's some agreement that there's problems to solve and multiple ways to solve it. There are concerns about the original proposal which came to the point that there's now a second one in the doc. And there's agreement that to finalize this we need more details in the document - it's been thought about but it needs to be documented properly. So there's three options: carry on trying to make a standard, say there's not enough support, or the third option is to say we've done some good work but we're not sure how operationally viable it is, so we should run experiments - and we could have a simgle experimental draft with mutliple soutions. I'd be interested in hearing from folks on this. And I'd like to specifically ask the MPLS chairs their opinions as this work started in that WG. Loa Andersson: yes, this started in MPLS and went to TEAS. I think that if I view this from Huaimo's point of view we're asking him to redo what he's done before, so I don't know where this is going. If we say that we want to do an experiment... Huawei have done that. So I don't know what there is to add. Lou Berger: Linear protection has been standardized and can solve this problem, and that wasn't the case when this was first adopted in MPLS. So we had a real problem, but it's now solved by other means. Loa Andersson: I'll need to look into that more to say that with confidence. Ross Callon: Not sure I can speak as MPLS chair as there's no consensus in the WG, but my own view... there are times in the IETF where we take on work and we don't know how it'll play out until people do a lot of work (e.g. LISP). So in this case a lot of work has been put in to determine that something doesn't look as optimistic now as when we started. Publication as experimental is what we usually do in this situation. There's no alternative to doing the work and seeing how it turns out. I don't feel good about asking someone to do all this work and then not being able to publish it. Huaimo Chen: Even though this draft moved to TEAS, I think there was good support in WG meetings. Lou Berger:: anyone else have comments? Huaimo Chen: Also, implementation of this is not that hard. Pavan Beeram: so even if we go the experimental path, the draft is nowhere near complete, right? There's more details that need to be put in. Huaimo Chen: I've also talked to service providers who like this and think it increses scalability. George: if you're protecting end-to-end you don't need to protect hop by hop, and if you protect hop by hop you have a lot of state Lou Berger: issue is that end to end starts from one LER, and this starts from two. Huang Lu: In our network we have a lot of enterprise customers so local protection is very useful to us; if we have ingress + egress protection and FRR, that's useful. Lou Berger:: So existing protection mechanisms are too slow? Huang Lu: yes Lou Berger:: And you care about protecting ingress and egress nodes? Huang Lu: yes Lou Berger:: Do you care about what specific solution solves the ingress/egress problem? Do you care about the implementation, or just what it does? Huang Lu: I care about fast protection Lou Berger: So I think we've heard enough to say that people care about the problem, but we don't have consensus on the mechanism and we don't have consensus to throw out one of the options, and we don't have support to push for a proposed standards. I'd like to talk to Pavan offline and then bring proposals to the list - we can't make a decision here. Pavan Beeram: yes, we'll discuss between chairs and get back to the WG. We'd abandon the work if there were no interest, which is a bit extreme. If we heard that there was an immediate need for a solution we'd ask to continue the work as a standard. And we could go with the experimental approach. We'll use the list to get more details on implementations and interest in this. Lou Berger: we can separate the ingress and egress discussions; we should continue the egress discussion on the list (I have a question I want to ask about) Adrian Farrel: we keep skirting around what this problem is and we haven't really nailed it down. George asked if you're doing FRR at every point along the path. Maybe we need a 1-page disposable document that sets out what the problem is and what the potential solutions are so that folks can decide whether or not they're interested. Lou Berger:: Can you help guide that? Adrian Farrel: yes Chairs: Thanks to all for coming; we'll discuss further on the list. Special thanks to Huaimo for putting the slides together. > - 05 min - Discussion Summary / Next-Steps (Chairs) > > - 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Open Discussion) > > Meeting Materials - > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/proceedings.html > > Etherpad - > http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1 > Attendees: Vishnu Pava Beeram (chair, leading meeting) Lou Berger (chair) Adrian Farrel Andy Malis Autumn Liu Dan Romascanu Daniel King Dhruv Dhody Matt Hartley Dieter Beller Greg Mirsky Haomian Zheng Huaimo Chen Huang Lu Igor Bryskin Jeffery Zhang John Drake Lin Han Loa Andersson Padma Quintin Zhao Ross Callon Tarek Saad Xufeng Liu Yimin Shen Ravi Torvi Mateusz Waldman George Swallow --001a11415d26b48717052a69203c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Much Thanks to everyone who attended the interim meeting today.

Raw notes are enclosed below, and are editable, via the URL:
http://etherpad.to= ols.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1

Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link= above.
Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG)
before being finalized.=C2=A0 Please limit changes to what actually
transpired in the meeting.

Lou and I had a quick chat after the meeting. The following
captures some of our main observations from the discussion on the ingress protection draft:

(1) There is an acknowledgement of a problem, but there was also
acknowledgement that the problem should be formally documented. We
request the authors put together a brief addition to the draft
summarizing the problem. Adrian Farrel has agreed to work with the
authors on this.

(2) There wasn't consensus among meeting participants on either of the = 2
approaches documented in the -03 rev of the draft. There is also a fair
bit of detail missing in the draft for both approaches before either
could be viewed as being "ready".

(3) From the participants responses, it's not clear if there is general=
interest in implementing either proposed solution. (Although there is
one experimental implementation of one of the proposed approaches).
Given this and the (2) we are considering proposing targeting the work
to be published as "Experimental".

Comments and discussion on the meeting, as well as our observations are
welcome.=C2=A0 Also, if you have any additional information you'd like = to
provide the chairs or the AD, e.g., related to implementation, please
feel free to contact any of us directly.

Regards,
-Pavan (and Lou)

***

> Final Agenda - TEAS Virtual Interim Meeting (RSVP Ingress Protection /=
Egress Protection)
> Jan 28th, 2016, 10:00 EST | 15:00 UTC (Duration: 90 mins)
> Drafts:
> https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection/
> https://datatracker.iet= f.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection/
>

> - 10 min - Intro/Agenda (Chairs)
>
http= s://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-= 2016-teas-1-1.pdf
>

Lou Berger: we want to be clear that implementation status is requested
by the IESG, so we'll need to talk about that. It's important that = we
can demonstrate interest and implementation to get a standards-track
document through the IESG.

> - 65 min - RSVP-Ingress Protection
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- 35 min - Solution Proposals: Compar= ative Analysis (Huaimo Chen)
>
http= s://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim-= 2016-teas-1-0.pdf
>
htt= ps://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/slides/slides-interim= -2016-teas-1-0.pptx
Huaimo presents:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg asks: Why do you say this mechanism is faster than e2e protection? Would you agree detection time is the same?
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Huaimo: Yes.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg Mirsky: Question on claim that speed of recovery drives = recovery
Huaimo Chen: two things to bear in mind. One is detection time, and a
later slide will give the whole picture. In addition to detecing the
failure at ingress, also need failure detection at the CE downstream.
Greg Mirsky: alternative solution has been defined in linear protectiuon and it solves this exact problem
Greg Mirsky: with detection and switchover, speed is not a real factor
Huaimo Chen:
Lou Berger: Greg brings up another point, at least indirectly. in
addition to having an existing solution that provides a solution at
perhaps the same or different speed, it's important that we not define<= br> another solution if we already have one that's good enough
Huaimo Chen: speed is one effect, but also need to consider speed and
operabiity
Ross Callon: has a question about function.=C2=A0 If want to cover any
failure along the path, end to end solves the general problem, but we
may want to go through the sides first
Lou Berger: I'd like to hear that discussion and it's fine to defer= it
to the open discussion, but we need to cover it.

Ravi Torvi: Slide 5: On the semantics of the path message... you're
saying it's just like any other Path mesage, but it seems to be
completely different. Can you comment?
Huaimo Chen: it's different - it has an egress protection object
Ravi: slide doesn't say there are three steps. You have a totally
different state machine on the backup.
Huaimo Chen: have aslide with details later - we can discuss there.

Tarek Saad: (at slide 6) is there an implicit assumption that the
primary and backup ingress are connected back-to-back with a link? Can
they be multiple hops apart?
Huaimo Chen: yes, but need a tunnel to be one RSVP hop away
Tarek Saad: are we re-using the same RSVP sesssion for the primary to
relay messages for the backup?
Huaimo Chen: yes
Tarek Saad: so the backup ingress will behave as an LER in that case
Huaimo Chen: yes
Tarek Saad: thanks - that's not been clear in the past.

Lou Berger: (slide 7) so to be clear on what you said earlier, even
though the backup terminates on P1 on the slide=C2=A0 it's actually the= same
egress as the primary?
Huaimo: yes

Tarek Saad: slide 9: for completeness on the relay method, if the backup is multiple hops away I'd need to configure another tunnel, right?
Huaimo Chen: yes
Tarek Saad: so that's another bullet you need
Huaimo Chen: yes, good catch.

(slide 12)
Pavan Beeram: Can you elaborate on how the sync happens between primary
ingress and backup ingress?
Huaimo Chen: If something changes in the primary LSP it can be
duplicated to the backup.
Pavan Beeram: So in the case of the relay message you need to figure out additonal ways to maintain the state sync
Huaimo Chen: Any changes in the primary can be duplicated to the backup
Pavan Beeram: So you're taling about re-using the same Path message use= d
on the primary and redirecting it elsewhere. Any other changes? No
change to the ERO in the message from primary ingress to backup ingress? Huaimo Chen: EROs are copied across
Pavan Beeram: So all object processing now needs special semantics
Huaimo Chen: No, it's just copied over so nothing special
Lou Berger: It sounds like this isn't a normal Path message - more a notification to the backup that it needs to provision something. To me
it would make sense fo=C2=A0 this to be a Notify rather than a Path
Huaimo Chen: the Path from primary ingress to backup ingress is a
special Path message; we'll check cross-connections
Pavan Beeram: early versions of the draft had a different message, I think<= br> Ravi Torvi: initial versions defined a new message type; later it was
changed to a Path. I don't remember why.
Pavan Beeram: In the current form we've changed the semantics of all object processing. Conventional ERO processing will fail as the backup
ingress isn't on the path.
Huaimo Chen: After some thought we decided using an existing message was easier.
Pavan Beeram: OK, it seems clear that there's some work to be done for<= br> state sync and the relay message between primary ingress and backup ingress= .

(slide 16)
Pavan Beeram: For the relay message, is it a separate session to the
backup or a different one?
Huaimo Chen: Same, but different state. Relay message has extra state
for Path and Resv messages to backup ingress. So for proxy-ingress
method we need to keep the state for the Resv messages received from
backup egress.
Tarek Saad: On relay message point 3 (Resv coming back from primary):
does it have a purpose besides being an ack?
Huiamo Chen: It relays protection state to the primary ingress node.
Tarek Saad: Thanks. And about the proxy-ingress - you talk about two
sessions - why?
Huaimo Chen: Better to talk about state. So there's two Path messages and two Resv messages.
Tarek Saad: So how many sessions?
Huaimo Chen: At high level, session for the relay message is the same.
For proxy-ingress all sessions are the same, so just one. But if we want to compare from the scalability point of view, number of states is
related to number of messages as we need to keep state for each message.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- 25 min - Open Discussion

Ravi Torvi: would you consider tweaking the session handling after this
discussion? i.e. it's not really a Path message, but something that
needs special handling
Huaimo Chen: yes, it needs special handling
Ravi Torvi: Pavan mentioned that objects have a different interpretation Huaimo Chen: yes, the ingress protection object is different and may
contain labels. Labels for proxy-ingress are carried by Resv message.

Greg Mirsky: I wanted to come back to the earlier question about
detection. I recall the document for ingress protection has an OAM
session to detect that the primary ingress node fails from the backup
ingress. Is that right? So this requires an OAM session between PE6 and
PE5, so the backup monitors the primary ingress, right?
Huaimo Chen: That would be nice to have. If a source delivers traffic to PE5 first and then switches it to PE6, on PE6 the forwarding entry there is active at the beginning. PE6 will forward traffic to the bypass LSP
so traffic continues in the data plane. We also have to keep the primary LSP up by refreshing Path messages; this is achieved by detecting the
failure of PE5, and after that we have to put Path messages into the
tunnel and into the next hop (P1). We use can OAM, or a faster method is better. We can use a number of ways to detect failure but faster ones
are better.
Greg Mirsky: So what method are you proposing? I don't see how routing<= br> can identify that the node isn't functioning. e.g. if you use OSPF and<= br> expect that your LSA will age out, that takes 30 minutes.
Huaimo Chen: Yes, that's too long. We can check routes in the routing table, so if you have no routes to PE5 you can say that it's gone.
John Drake: You could wait for a sufficient period of time and you could verify whether individual links to the node have gone down or all of
them, but that's a long time.
Huaimo Chen: As soon as one link goes down we can check the rest
John Drake: But that's not rapid detection
Tarek Saad: Do we need to determine whether the node has failed? If I
detect at the source that my link to PE5 has gone isn't that enough? Can't you rely on the link to PE5 going down
Greg Mirsky: if PE6 detects that the link to PE5 is down, that doesn't<= br> mean the link from PE5 to P1 is down
Tarek Saad: but a source behind both could check the liveness of PE5
Greg Mirsky: what the source checks isn't the liveness of PE5, but the<= br> liveness of its connection to PE5.
Tarek Saad: OK
Greg Mirsky: so PE5 can be fine as far as P1 is concerned.
Tarek Saad: yes, that's the case in transport protection
Greg Mirsky: So if we lose the link between the source and PE5 and
switch over, PE5 doesn't know that this has happened
Ravi Torvi: Upstream source detecting the failure is one model; the
backup has to protect the primary going down.
Greg Mirsky: My point is that this method is no better than multi-homing Ross Callon: to me this discussion needs to be clear in the spec. What
are we protecting against, and not protecting against? How do we
distinguish link down vs node down vs multiple links down?
Lou Berger: discussion today isn't about whether this is complete - I hope we all agree there's a lot of work to be done. Question is which o= f
these approaches should we pursue in the WG? One thing that comes to
mind is implementation - do we have people iterested in implementing one or both models? Bearing in mind we're on the record.
Huaimo Chen: Huawei were interested in implementing the relay method for ingress protection, and had a prototype for egress protection.
Lou Berger:: Anyone else want to comment? Greg seems interested in
linear protection?
Ravi Torvi: We (Juniper) don't see any customer interest in ingress
protection given the complexity and issues with failure detection, so we want to come up with a simple solution and decide whether we really need this.
Lou Berger:: so you don't like the relay message and don't think it= 's
consistent with rest of RSVP?
Ravi Torvi: yes
Ross Callon: on simplicity vs complexity - this seems a lot more complex than end-to-end protection and only solves part of the problem.
Huaimo Chen: here the complexity is in the vendor-side, but we provide
simplicity to the provider.
Lou Berger:: So this solution focuses on a narrow piece of protection;
it doesn't worry about the end-to-end problem of transit problem.
Clearly some authors believe this is a problem that needs to be solved.
Anyone want to talk about htat? Is an optimised ingress protection
solution something that people think is important?
Ravi Torvi: We don't see a need to solve this.
Lou Berger:: So you thing end-to-end or other methods are good enough?
Or this just isn't a problem?
Ravi Torvi: It's just not a problem.
Huaimo Chen: In the beginning we saw issues in real deployments and
presented these at previous IETFs with early draft versions. End-to-end
protection for P2MP LSPs is really complicated - this is easier. But the motivation for this all comes from real deployments. Advantages are that if we protect ingress and egress nodes we have a whole solution, so it'= s
fast, easy and efficient.
Ravi Torvi: Ross also mentioned that reliably detecting primary failure
is something we've gone through before - we need a lot more than a BFD<= br> session. That leads to deployment issues and so this isn't just a RSVP<= br> extension - there's a lot of deployment issues too.
Lou Berger:: it seems from the folks here that there's some agreement that there's problems to solve and multiple ways to solve it. There are=
concerns about the original proposal which came to the point that
there's now a second one in the doc. And there's agreement that to<= br> finalize this we need more details in the document - it's been thought<= br> about but it needs to be documented properly. So there's three options:=
carry on trying to make a standard, say there's not enough support, or<= br> the third option is to say we've done some good work but we're not = sure
how operationally viable it is, so we should run experiments - and we
could have a simgle experimental draft with mutliple soutions. I'd be interested in hearing from folks on this. And I'd like to specifically<= br> ask the MPLS chairs their opinions as this work started in that WG.
Loa Andersson: yes, this started in MPLS and went to TEAS. I think that
if I view this from Huaimo's point of view we're asking him to redo= what
he's done before, so I don't know where this is going. If we say th= at we
want to do an experiment... Huawei have done that. So I don't know what=
there is to add.
Lou Berger: Linear protection has been standardized and can solve this
problem, and that wasn't the case when this was first adopted in MPLS.<= br> So we had a real problem, but it's now solved by other means.
Loa Andersson: I'll need to look into that more to say that with confid= ence.
Ross Callon: Not sure I can speak as MPLS chair as there's no consensus=
in the WG, but my own view... there are times in the IETF where we take
on work and we don't know how it'll play out until people do a lot = of
work (e.g. LISP). So in this case a lot of work has been put in to
determine that something doesn't look as optimistic now as when we
started. Publication as experimental is what we usually do in this
situation. There's no alternative to doing the work and seeing how it turns out. I don't feel good about asking someone to do all this work and then not being able to publish it.
Huaimo Chen: Even though this draft moved to TEAS, I think there was
good support in WG meetings.
Lou Berger:: anyone else have comments?
Huaimo Chen: Also, implementation of this is not that hard.
Pavan Beeram: so even if we go the experimental path, the draft is
nowhere near complete, right? There's more details that need to be put = in.
Huaimo Chen: I've also talked to service providers who like this and think it increses scalability.
George: if you're protecting end-to-end you don't need to protect h= op by
hop, and if you protect hop by hop you have a lot of state
Lou Berger: issue is that end to end starts from one LER, and this
starts from two.
Huang Lu: In our network we have a lot of enterprise customers so local
protection is very useful to us; if we have ingress + egress protection
and FRR, that's useful.
Lou Berger:: So existing protection mechanisms are too slow?
Huang Lu: yes
Lou Berger:: And you care about protecting ingress and egress nodes?
Huang Lu: yes
Lou Berger:: Do you care about what specific solution solves the
ingress/egress problem? Do you care about the implementation, or just
what it does?
Huang Lu: I care about fast protection
Lou Berger: So I think we've heard enough to say that people care about=
the problem, but we don't have consensus on the mechanism and we don= 9;t
have consensus to throw out one of the options, and we don't have
support to push for a proposed standards. I'd like to talk to Pavan
offline and then bring proposals to the list - we can't make a decision=
here.
Pavan Beeram: yes, we'll discuss between chairs and get back to the WG.=
We'd abandon the work if there were no interest, which is a bit extreme= .
If we heard that there was an immediate need for a solution we'd ask to=
continue the work as a standard. And we could go with the experimental
approach. We'll use the list to get more details on implementations and=
interest in this.
Lou Berger: we can separate the ingress and egress discussions; we
should continue the egress discussion on the list (I have a question I
want to ask about)
Adrian Farrel: we keep skirting around what this problem is and we
haven't really nailed it down. George asked if you're doing FRR at = every
point along the path. Maybe we need a 1-page disposable document that
sets out what the problem is and what the potential solutions are so
that folks can decide whether or not they're interested.
Lou Berger:: Can you help guide that?
Adrian Farrel: yes


Chairs: Thanks to all for coming; we'll discuss further on the list. Special thanks to Huaimo for putting the slides together.


>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- 05 min - Discussion Summary / Next-= Steps (Chairs)
>

> - 15 min - RSVP-Egress Protection (Open Discussion)
>
<not enough time -- move disucssion to list>

> Meeting Materials -
> https://www.ietf.org/p= roceedings/interim/2016/01/28/teas/proceedings.html
>

> Etherpad -
> http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9= 000/p/notes-interim-2016-teas-1
>

Attendees:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Vishnu Pava Beeram (chair, leading meeting)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lou Berger (chair)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Adrian Farrel
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Andy Malis
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Autumn Liu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dan Romascanu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Daniel King
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dhruv Dhody
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Matt Hartley
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dieter Beller
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Greg Mirsky
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Haomian Zheng
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Huaimo Chen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Huang Lu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Igor Bryskin
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jeffery Zhang
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 John Drake
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lin Han
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Loa Andersson
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Padma
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Quintin Zhao
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ross Callon
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tarek Saad
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Xufeng Liu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yimin Shen
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ravi Torvi
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Mateusz Waldman
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0George Swallow

<add notes above>
--001a11415d26b48717052a69203c-- From nobody Thu Jan 28 13:10:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43EDA1B29AC; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:10:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ntpZj-vpWWFQ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 704A31B137B; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0SLASOU003299; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:10:28 GMT Received: from 950129200 ([79.141.128.249]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u0SLAQie003293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:10:27 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:10:24 -0000 Message-ID: <01de01d15a10$4eccdb80$ec669280$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJy3Qzx3x9FrH46y7gnis+C5L41RZ3OZH7A Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-22098.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--3.806-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--3.806-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: 5+1rHnqhWUSnykMun0J1wvHkpkyUphL9QKuv8uQBDjqHwGEm+CpYGd/A 2XRvDsLVxb6FT63ir+n15nI9gF6Ol4XVLLOFXnezY6Gjtu6/t326wB3x9iD5kOO53bHtM9W3IuS sPyX2rN/nzlXMYw4XMBBWOoA5nlyNC24oEZ6SpSmb4wHqRpnaDrzNIXPYErS6BAJN340zNCCiR/ n8bDtust18aYsFPANBpWRu6xLbZIEzqkBmQCf3z+mKQovrgj23Ydkmyg2uaITA+pGBydx/MOQ/b JqlQQ/copZ51QxAj3fx+wL7E8WTG+w2n3R9PgSO6gsmHm5e1+w= Archived-At: Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' Subject: Re: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting: Notes/Observations X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:10:33 -0000 Thanks, Pavan. > (1) There is an acknowledgement of a problem, but there was > also acknowledgement that the problem should be formally > documented. We request the authors put together a brief > addition to the draft summarizing the problem. Adrian Farrel > has agreed to work with the authors on this. Is it OK if we start by working on an informal (but rigorous) document = that is not part of this I-D? I'd like to focus on getting this written down before worrying about = format and presentation :-) Adrian From nobody Thu Jan 28 13:19:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6421A0078; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qh2_1fkxLJSO; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x234.google.com (mail-vk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BADE1A0015; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id e6so31339063vkh.2; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=NNGuhC3qk5mUEhuO9DsigSCrafHEDmJTEZGsV7wEueo=; b=DMvg5diu3cQhvC5I+zMFbQyt0sVCfimyJT45x4ZAg03ZAk1v2p4/x33nLlUDMbaKXH 3wqvsd7ChwnPcqBinUURmzNj7UbfHfjyyJKUo48J3KUUmv7p3tObVvm5JmayAAa/TZ++ 1CL3oep0zhS6e3MOL2mvRI7xVQN/6WzKBmRqsXmaGyrsAL6ak5Qjx198AhyJGX4csaa3 0K0EO7z7iUev9pZAi1pdBSotGw3DnpS0KpVf5ZhWDxd4+8FbV7psSRX/uke4cbJudain uc/m3kqCoD3xKEbWdQ71o4QQ6kOyil0epC5cvAy4zr+q9VR31Q5xH7mazNhZJC00TaxV SdeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NNGuhC3qk5mUEhuO9DsigSCrafHEDmJTEZGsV7wEueo=; b=KKD4Y3auC1l9DXnZl3Sh+dBjzDCD9AQHK9i+jbhJIOHR+J/84YW1OR2ZDgBsF5hRQI OfcyzGhN1eUtqRuHBHnaGx4YESfv/BVlG3MPUBUfuIAn8Q8U4IagF+lbajJvoaynbePL iACQxeJcw+kBd6KHEvg0qEIg+rNiTlbjRy95LF3ZvEAuYE2LNpRXfCqVDHoAilaTpCWO oW4Bq/3tfj/xaK90kR5WRCh+zHkY2XOGX322IAZ4I6IUJrmY4vhF0osKeh6tgU1TVIis W3S7jrdIT0znzv4PqPcTeubnDjMUt1fU0oSUWq1CQsZhXn7s8abGMOnaBNSh7v6ZyhH6 DI+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YOTN7D4oXP4setasB55ysm/tBYgNiEZH7lvzyTzrhT/CgdtTAudaletRBK7cMDo4Co1CezoF2ocoC42kLg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.139.76 with SMTP id n73mr3597450vkd.78.1454015966284; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.81.195 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:19:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <01de01d15a10$4eccdb80$ec669280$@olddog.co.uk> References: <01de01d15a10$4eccdb80$ec669280$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:19:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram To: Adrian Farrel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142e71a2b1550052a6b7994 Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting: Notes/Observations X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:19:29 -0000 --001a1142e71a2b1550052a6b7994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That would be ok. Getting the content right and discussed is the first priority. How long do you think it would take to get the initial rev out? Regards, -Pavan On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Thanks, Pavan. > > > (1) There is an acknowledgement of a problem, but there was > > also acknowledgement that the problem should be formally > > documented. We request the authors put together a brief > > addition to the draft summarizing the problem. Adrian Farrel > > has agreed to work with the authors on this. > > Is it OK if we start by working on an informal (but rigorous) document > that is not part of this I-D? > > I'd like to focus on getting this written down before worrying about > format and presentation :-) > > Adrian > > --001a1142e71a2b1550052a6b7994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That would be ok. Getting the content right and = discussed is the first priority.

How long do you think it would take= to get the initial rev out?

Regards,
-Pav= an

On Th= u, Jan 28, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks, Pavan.

> (1) There is an acknowledgement of a problem, but there was
> also acknowledgement that the problem should be formally
> documented. We request the authors put together a brief
> addition to the draft summarizing the problem. Adrian Farrel
> has agreed to work with the authors on this.

Is it OK if we start by working on an informal (but rigorous) docume= nt that is not part of this I-D?

I'd like to focus on getting this written down before worrying about fo= rmat and presentation :-)

Adrian


--001a1142e71a2b1550052a6b7994-- From nobody Thu Jan 28 18:02:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0651B36A7; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:02:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q7R2OiNonvgj; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk0-x22b.google.com (mail-vk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41FC21B36A3; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id n1so34539597vkb.3; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:02:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=LpYTq1VHO71+EnKMb5MRUECPyMqHSUfmx+kjfj9GwcE=; b=klXbK+Pu4+XF5xRaJyn2KbH5UeE0iBSMBCaamQ7iwuvlHA6oQY1L9guORiR9GvRbU4 ydBAljcox0ExZjAc57MYLxgk970ACjG5Q7ZjYvb6sHJgcqS6MVbQgXJvR/EFGDZ7wRQc WzzSyo1/sXKBRf0/4n6PpTTxftvONtgmO7y9qlE6aAAoCslzMsp1/sm1LYHJJ7p7N6TZ PF6oQUY0zYWqBri+LAJ2Iwagy14wbcYsEmOdLT9gpI8uNptVULq8SDuXdx4vJS9Fz83q uFD25D8SLFLGtdlMvJizKsV59VSFi8rz9LHoPhXbo1mL4nAs0K5LgYCqmPifKhx3XD/q EJVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type; bh=LpYTq1VHO71+EnKMb5MRUECPyMqHSUfmx+kjfj9GwcE=; b=l3n/WCD/9xpSDDQzNZHMRsY13WWCmdZVx2vrJNJXoTjLGFA4MiD6tPCBkuq71W8m6x v9IAEaZH226ym82OttanPYzOI2Tec+utbv9iw6YpiOsTV+knoHZMXTXs7Mm7qnNIPd/W ybFDKX/832766GoonNc6TpTV7IiYUsk7JXR2Si/nx0mlBOo8BfHd9fICkVBLSfwpTzjy 2q6OfP/CCgQMWk4RluOt4VGaS90u1ZjyM9rbjZbqwEb02MQ+yOJUES33/pxhSYPCkMhA r8wLd61cu0aLLsaFBJPI9H7XzDsXOxb1fymgH+QFcNWWHZc6QMk/GOsPHM8XcyhO+MDF /AAw== X-Gm-Message-State: AG10YORFDqiLmZ137+xeAsJovhqkYrYvjF990bkN23zhL1TY6Rs407bwsQDpoJLzdmPnbI9RTiOgJKxkwXqhXQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.169.67 with SMTP id s64mr4350956vke.72.1454032919138; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.31.81.195 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:01:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram To: "teas@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11415d26a3195d052a6f6b41 Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: [Teas] TEAS WG Virtual Interim Meeting: WebEx Recording X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:02:01 -0000 --001a11415d26a3195d052a6f6b41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Recording of the interim meeting: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/ldr.php?RCID=bd26b7366a9debea1f2c8308fd3ad353 Regards, -Pavan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: TEAS Working Group Date: Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:54 PM Subject: WebEx recording is available for viewing: RSVP Ingress/Egress Protection-20160128 1459-2 To: vishnupavan@gmail.com Hello, TEAS Working Group wants to share this WebEx recording with you. *RSVP Ingress/Egress Protection-20160128 1459-2* Thursday, January 28, 2016 5:27 pm | Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) *Play recording* (1 hr 36 min) --001a11415d26a3195d052a6f6b41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--001a11415d26a3195d052a6f6b41-- From nobody Fri Jan 29 08:44:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65C51A8780 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:44:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k4H7Qe7fbmiM for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DFD71A877C for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7477 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jan 2016 16:44:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2016 16:44:35 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id BskW1s00R2SSUrH01skZC8; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:44:33 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=dqRIVTQ4 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=Uq6_LoUyeyMA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=4CJBJuhkUMz5MRPtQo8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To; bh=smjq6VWMTzKsbZ0xDjzs1mI8ih39S29ClWTwdwtfgiM=; b=bF8KDmDMtxF/57KINfB+tpWDegL74RV0fYxLjrImXeuGYgsS1KIAp+0vIIuQRSSiXiByl8Q6hCRvE5u0I1kjvkWZaGrbqOa1ENCelFLvwDJGaTVenKPpVor4nLMiw8LC; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:48220 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aPC9w-0004AN-68; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:44:32 -0700 To: TEAS WG From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <56AB96E6.8030503@labn.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:44:22 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A \(ATTLABS\)" Subject: [Teas] status of draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:44:41 -0000 All, Based on yesterday's interim as well as input we have received, both on and off list, we have concluded that there is interest in ensuring that a particular problem is documented and that there may be multiple possible solutions to this problem. We also conclude that there is not support for new Standards Track mechanisms *at this time*. We'd like to propose the following: 1) The -03 rev of the draft serve as the foundation for the next rev, as the -04 version doesn't represent any WG consensus. And that this rev have 'Experimental' listed as its intended status. For those who really want a PS, we'd like to remind you that the WG can revisit this at a later time, even after publication. See rfc5467 as an example of work that went through a similar evolution and then was eventually replaced by a PS in rfc6387. 2) That the WG* agree on a brief (say 1-2 page) description of the problem to be solved. This should be discussed on list and eventually captured in a draft of the Author's choosing - which may or may not be an existing one. Adding information on any real-world experience would be very useful. * - WG includes authors+anyone else who wishes to contribute, e.g., Adrian has volunteered to help. 3) That draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection be updated with a brief summary of why existing RFC documented mechanisms don't address the problem. Authors should lead this update, but all WG participants should feel free to contribute. 4) That draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-ingress-protection be updated with a brief summary of what other non-standard mechanisms have been considered as possible solutions and why they were rejected. Authors should lead this update, but all WG participants should feel free to contribute. We believe these steps move us beyond the state represented by the -04 rev of this document and balances the various views that have been expressed. These steps should not be viewed as representing any departure from future normal WG processing of this draft, including anticipated refinement, review and, when ready, LC. Please feel free to discuss as you may see appropriate. If your comment relates to this document's process, please respond to this message. If your comment is technical, please start a new thread. Thank you, Pavan and Lou From nobody Fri Jan 29 10:29:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB801ACE5C; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:29:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u4P8_5nMFkbZ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D9F01A8AB7; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:29:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1862; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1454092184; x=1455301784; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=waM88Kly2FCpu3EMEz06s2TK83/vAsmsxHe3AMna2aw=; b=YwBmx4CRnlzVl3x/FY3CRAacgBgzcdlc2kTk3WoMXmVyUyS5wzsfJMep QFqJ7ltpaY4r7zI87PuO8h+KZlcJX8TsbV7GbPgP+dhIe8TDs0yBg5qs4 kQvQt1gP0hYtnB05G01Pyq0fedA6mrtUROiWCU2TAW5zZi2PSgP3AwRMc Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CrBAAtr6tW/xbLJq1ehAxtBohSsykih?= =?us-ascii?q?W0CggABAQEBAQGBC4RCAQEEdAUQAgEIDjgyJQIEAQ0FiBsOwEEBAQEBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBARaGDYQ3hAIRAYRYAQSWbgGFRogEgVtKg3iIVIpsg1ABYoNsa?= =?us-ascii?q?gGHTDR8AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,365,1449532800"; d="scan'208";a="623884749" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 29 Jan 2016 18:29:42 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com (xch-rtp-018.cisco.com [64.101.220.158]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0TITeQc007590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:29:41 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com (64.101.220.158) by XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com (64.101.220.158) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:29:40 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) by XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com ([64.101.220.158]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:29:40 -0500 From: "Zafar Ali (zali)" To: Lou Berger , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com" , "jdrake@juniper.net" , "nabil.bitar@verizon.com" , "George Swallow (swallow)" , "cyril.margaria@googlemail.com" , "diego.caviglia@ericsson.com" , "ggrammel@juniper.net" , "jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com" , "kpithewan@infinera.com" , "ogondio@tid.es" , "rrao@infinera.com" , "sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com" , "vbeeram@juniper.net" , "vlopez@tid.es" , "zhang.xian@huawei.com" , "zhangfatai@huawei.com" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange Thread-Index: AQHRWDfcVatU/iTQi02V/0n0AJe4w58S1ZaA Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:29:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <56A76AFF.4070900@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.8.151023 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.152.43] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <9107DE2782766647A507848A5DAB539D@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , TEAS WG Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-interconnected-te-info-exchange X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:29:47 -0000 Hi-=20 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Thanks Regards =8A Zafar On 1/26/16, 7:47 AM, "Lou Berger" wrote: > >Authors, Contributors, WG, > >As part of the preparation for WG Last Call > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? 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--001a114768da2095d3052a441fd9-- From nobody Sun Jan 31 19:33:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E5F1A8951 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FR_DOT_FEVER_5=3.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mucvFc365kvf for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from usplmg21.ericsson.net (usplmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81C571A894E for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c6180641-f799c6d000007d66-55-56aed1eee130 Received: from EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.90]) by usplmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 7A.D5.32102.EE1DEA65; Mon, 1 Feb 2016 04:33:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC006.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.90]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:33:21 -0500 From: Xufeng Liu To: "TEAS WG (teas@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Tunnel Termination Point in TE Topology Model Thread-Index: AdFcoEv0QKAswMF0RliH/ptr3+O6/Q== Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 03:33:21 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AAB1CC9C17CBA440BDFA169056B93B9E1284CF16eusaamb107erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPlO77i+vCDGb7WrT+2MHiwOixZMlP pgDGKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6MS5famQq+TGaqeL1kBlMD48x3jF2MnBwSAiYSJx8uY4OwxSQu 3FsPZHNxCAkcYZS49m0PM4SznFHi+IQLLF2MHBxsAloSl586gpgiAroSD56KgPQKC5hJTLzw HWymiIC1xLamXjaIEj2Jvo3mIGEWARWJF0dPMYHYvAK+Egs+bGIBsRmB1n4/tQYsziwgLnHr yXwmiHMEJJbsOc8MYYtKvHz8jxXCVpKY8/oaM0R9vsTbOb9YIWYKSpyc+YRlAqPQLCSjZiEp m4WkDCKuI7Fg9yc2CFtbYtnC18ww9pkDj5mQxRcwsq9i5CgtLsjJTTcy3MQIDPtjEmyOOxj3 9noeYhTgYFTi4d0QuS5MiDWxrLgy9xCjBAezkgjvUxOgEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYl cd4t/IvChATSE0tSs1NTC1KLYLJMHJxSDYzNFpo7f6xoWZooEXdLQPGf7ycZld0TUlcvWiR5 6sY3xlMeDErOx29sfLw9Vmlxx8wp5717xWNmT+MvC48PjLC+I7uSxe6dvU6vzcVvqSditz81 E+oIcM7d4XvT7ebDb9PLTjbxBNR6T/MKLbrXfm3N9U3b+6J6TvtO7/JesVw371mtimOax2Ul luKMREMt5qLiRADxl5cbdwIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Tunnel Termination Point in TE Topology Model X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 03:33:25 -0000 --_000_AAB1CC9C17CBA440BDFA169056B93B9E1284CF16eusaamb107erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Authors and contributors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo are discussing the= topic to add Tunnel Termination Point (TTP) to the TE topology model. The = purpose is to provide useful information for path computation and tunnel se= tting up based on the topology. TTP also brings the relationship between TE= topology model and TE tunnel model. The related use cases include: 1) Setting up a WDM tunnel. When a tunnel is requested to be set up from the ingress to the egress, a p= ath is computed to consist of a sequence of TE links. At ingress, the WDM t= unnel needs to start from a WDM device rather than the end point of the fir= st link. There is relationship between this terminating WDM device and the = link end point. This WDM device is the Tunnel Termination Point (TTP). .............. ...........= ... . . . = . . +-o--o-+ . . +-o--o-+= . . | |*****************************************************| |= . . +-o--o-+ . . +-o--o-+= . . | . . | = . . | . . | = . . | . . | = . . +-o--o-+ . . +-o--o-+= . . | | . . | |= . . +-o--o-+ . ....... ....... ....... . +-o--o-+= . ........|..... . . . . . . .....|.....= ... +--------o o-----------o o---------o o--------+ ....... ....... ....... 2) Setting up an MPLS PSC tunnel on real nodes. When an MPLS PSC tunnel is set up from the ingress to the egress, the tunne= l is identified by . The ingres= s IP address is the Tunnel Termination Point (TTP). Additional TTP is not n= eeded in the model. However, to make the TTP concept generic, we can use th= e ingress IP address as the TTP in the ingress node. .............. ...........= ... . . . = . . ************************************************* = . . . . = . . +-o--o-+ . . +-o--o-+= . . | | . . | |= . . +-o--o-+ . ....... ....... ....... . +-o--o-+= . ........|..... . . . . . . .....|.....= ... +--------o o-----------o o---------o o--------+ ....... ....... ....... 3) Setting up a PSC tunnel on abstract nodes. When a PSC tunnel is requested to be set up from the ingress abstract node = to the egress abstract node, a path is computed to start and stop at abstra= ct nodes. The ingress abstract node represents a group of nodes. In such a = case, the tunnel starts from one particular node inside the abstract node, = and its IP address is the TTP in the ingress abstract node. .............. ...........= ... . ....... . . ....... = . . . . . . . . = . . . .*****************************************************. . = . . ....... . . ....... = . . | . . | = . . | . . | = . . ....... . . ....... = . . . . . . . . = . . . . . . . . = . . ...o... . ....... ....... ....... . ...o... = . .......|...... . . . . . . ......|....= ... +---------o o-----------o o---------o o---------+ ....... ....... ....... The proposed model addition is: augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node: +--rw te! +--rw te-node-id te-node-id +--rw config | +--rw te-node-template* leafref {template}? | +--rw te-node-attributes +--ro state | +--ro te-node-template* leafref {template}? | +--ro te-node-attributes +--rw tunnel-termination-point* [tunnel-tp-id] +--rw tunnel-tp-id binary +--ro state +--ro switching-capability? identityref +--ro encoding? identityref +--ro termination-capability* [link-tp] +--ro link-tp leafref Any comments are welcome. Thanks, - Xufeng --_000_AAB1CC9C17CBA440BDFA169056B93B9E1284CF16eusaamb107erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Authors and contributors of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo are discussing = the topic to add Tunnel Termination Point (TTP) to the TE topology model. T= he purpose is to provide useful information for path computation and tunnel setting up based on the topology. TTP also bri= ngs the relationship between TE topology model and TE tunnel model.

 

The related use cases include:

 

1)   Setting up a WDM tunnel.

When a tunnel is requested to be set up from the ingress to the egress, = a path is computed to consist of a sequence of TE links. At ingress, the WD= M tunnel needs to start from a WDM device rather than the end point of the first link. There is relationship between this t= erminating WDM device and the link end point. This WDM device is the Tunnel= Termination Point (TTP).

 

            =             &nb= sp;            =       

   ..............       &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =   ..............

   .         &nbs= p;  .           = ;             &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;          .  =           .<= /p>

   .  +-o--o-+  .    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =      .  +-o--o-+  .=

   .  |      |******************= ***********************************|      |  = .

   .  +-o--o-+  .    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;             = ;    .  +-o--o-+  .=

   .       |    .=             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;         .    |&n= bsp;      .

   .       |    .=             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;         .    |&n= bsp;      .

   .       |    .=             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;         .    |&n= bsp;      .

   .  +-o--o-+  .    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =      .  +-o--o-+  .=

   .  |      |  . &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       .  |    =   |  .

   .  +-o--o-+  .   ....... &= nbsp;         .......  &n= bsp;      .......   .  +-o--o-&= #43;  .

   ........|.....   .     . = ;          .   =   .         .   = ;  .   .....|........

           +------= --o     o-----------o     o--------= -o     o--------+

            =         .......    &= nbsp;      .......     &n= bsp;   .......   

 

 

 

2)   Setting up an MPLS PSC tunnel on real nodes.

When an MPLS PSC tunnel is set up from the ingress to the egress, the tu= nnel is identified by <ingress-address, egress-address, tunnel-id>. T= he ingress IP address is the Tunnel Termination Point (TTP). Additional TTP is not needed in the model. However, to make the TTP= concept generic, we can use the ingress IP address as the TTP in the ingre= ss node.

 

            =             &nb= sp;            =       

   ..............       &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =   ..............

   .         &nbs= p;  .           = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;           .  =           .<= /p>

   .         &nbs= p;  *************************************************   = ;         .

   .         &nbs= p;  .           = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;           .  =           .<= /p>

   .  +-o--o-+  .    &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =      .  +-o--o-+  .=

   .  |      |  . &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       .  |    =   |  .

   .  +-o--o-+  .   ....... &= nbsp;         .......  &n= bsp;      .......   .  +-o--o-&= #43;  .

   ........|.....   .     . = ;          .   =   .         .   = ;  .   .....|........

           +------= --o     o-----------o     o--------= -o     o--------+

            =         .......    &= nbsp;      .......     &n= bsp;   .......   

            =             &nb= sp;            =       

            =             &nb= sp;            =       

 

            =              &n= bsp;

3)   Setting up a PSC tunnel on abstract nodes.

When a PSC tunnel is requested to be set up from the ingress abstract no= de to the egress abstract node, a path is computed to start and stop at abs= tract nodes. The ingress abstract node represents a group of nodes. In such a case, the tunnel starts from one particular no= de inside the abstract node, and its IP address is the TTP in the ingress a= bstract node.

 

            =             &nb= sp;            =       

   ..............       &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;            =   ..............

   .   .......  .    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;     .  .......   .

   .   .     .  . = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;        .  .   &= nbsp; .   .

   .   .     .******************= ***********************************.     .   = .

   .   .......  .     =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;    .  .......   .

   .      |     .=              &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;        .   &nbs= p; |      .

   .      |     .=             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;         .   &nbs= p; |      .

   .   .......  .     =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;    .  .......   .

   .   .     .  . &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;            &nb= sp;            =        .  .    = .   .

   .   .     .  . &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       .  .    = .   .

   .   ...o...  .   ....... &nbs= p;         .......   = ;      .......   .  ...o... &n= bsp; .

   .......|......   .     . = ;          .   =   .         .   &nbs= p; .   ......|.......

          +---------o&n= bsp;    o-----------o     o---------o&nb= sp;    o---------+

            =         .......    &= nbsp;      .......     &n= bsp;   .......   

            =             &nb= sp;            =       

            =             &nb= sp;            =       

 

The proposed model addition is:

 

augment /nw:networks/nw:network/nw:node:

   +--rw te!

      +--rw te-node-id   &nb= sp;            =   te-node-id

      +--rw config

      |  +--rw te-node-template* =     leafref {template}?

      |  +--rw te-node-attributes=

      +--ro state

      |  +--ro te-node-template* =           leafref {template}?<= o:p>

      |  +--ro te-node-attributes=

      +--rw tunnel-termination-point* [tunn= el-tp-id]

         +--rw tunnel-tp-id&= nbsp;   binary

         +--ro state

            += --ro switching-capability?     identityref

            += --ro encoding?          &= nbsp;      identityref

            += --ro termination-capability* [link-tp]

            =    +--ro link-tp    leafref<= /p>

 

Any comments are welcome.

 

Thanks,

 

- Xufeng

 

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