From nobody Wed Jan 2 07:26:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33825128B01; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 07:26:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: lberger@labn.net, teas-chairs@ietf.org, db3546@att.com, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <154644281517.32587.4917142284732881517.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 07:26:55 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] teas - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 104 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2019 15:26:55 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Lou Berger, a Chair of the teas working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls ccamp pce netmod detnet Second Priority: idr i2rs spring lsr Third Priority: pals bess nvo3 People who must be present: Lou Berger Deborah Brungard Vishnu Pavan Beeram Resources Requested: Special Requests: Other Conflicts: IRTF RRG, RTG BOFs --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Jan 2 16:50:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6B912D4F1; Wed, 2 Jan 2019 16:50:00 -0800 (PST) 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Thread-Topic: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHUm0uYuM/JqJRg2EaDBeigsVcoZqWeAuYg Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 19:48:46 +0000 Message-ID: <7AEB3D6833318045B4AE71C2C87E8E173D0AD335@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <154563012976.4409.9464318616667816645@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154563012976.4409.9464318616667816645@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.123] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 19:48:57 -0000 Hi Tarek, Looking at the update, I have one comment. On performance-metric-container-= packet, you moved packet-loss from generic performance-metric-container. Ho= w about delay-variance? On our off-line discussion, I thought we agreed tha= t delay-variance is also packet property.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:42 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signa= ling WG of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Igor Bryskin Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02.txt Pages : 75 Date : 2018-12-23 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types and groupings in YANG data modeling language. These derived common types and groupings are intended to be imported by modules that model Traffic Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Yes/support.

 

Best regards,

Amy

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Teas [teas-bounces@ie= tf.org] =B4=FA=B1=ED Dongjie (Jimmy) [jie.dong@huawei.com]
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=D6=F7=CC=E2: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-sign= aling-smp

Yes/support.

 

Best regards,=

Jie

 

From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hejia (Jia)
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 8:50 AM
To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG <t= eas@ietf.org>
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling= -smp

 

Yes/support.<= /p>

 

 

B.R.

Jia (as co-author)

 

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=D6=F7=CC=E2: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp=

 

All,

This is start of a *three* week poll on making
draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "n= o/do not
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends Jan 8th 2019 (extra week to account for the holidays).

Thanks,
Pavan and Lou

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WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 10:05:43 -0000 Pavan, Yes/support! /Loa On 2018-12-18 22:07, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > All, > > This is start of a *three* week poll on making > draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group document. > Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". 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SMTP id b188mr1809090qke.100.1546957329361; Tue, 08 Jan 2019 06:22:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86c8f706-f372-dc5e-c523-8bc0632dda9b@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:21:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)" Cc: "Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , TEAS WG , TEAS WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000196e85057ef312af" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 14:22:18 -0000 --000000000000196e85057ef312af Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sergio et all, I support WG adoption. The draft talks about the advantages of SMP and the relationship with APS. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:21 AM Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) < sergio.belotti@nokia.com> wrote: > Hi Pavan, Lou, all, > > Happy New Year to all ! > > > > "no/do not support". > > About the document, I share Dieter=E2=80=99s perplexity on real interoper= able > deployment of SMP justifying the usage and extension of GMPLS signaling. > (SMP already support APS data plane signaling for protection switching). > > Thanks > > Sergio > > > > *From:* Teas *On Behalf Of *Beller, Dieter (Nokia > - DE/Stuttgart) > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:46 AM > *To:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; TEAS WG > *Cc:* TEAS WG Chairs > *Subject:* Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-sm= p > > > > Hi Pavan, Lou, all, > > Happy New Year! > > Here's my reply to the poll: no/do not support > > I have doubts whether interoperable SMP implementations are existing toda= y > in the data plane that justify the definition of GMPLS signaling extensio= ns > to support SMP. > > > Thanks, > Dieter > > On 18.12.2018 15:07, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > > All, > > This is start of a *three* week poll on making > draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group document. > Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > The poll ends Jan 8th 2019 (extra week to account for the holidays). > > Thanks, > Pavan and Lou > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --000000000000196e85057ef312af Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sergio et all,

I support WG adoption. T= he draft talks about the advantages of SMP and the relationship with APS.

Cheers,
Andy

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:21 A= M Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) <sergio.belotti@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Pavan, Lou, all,=

Happy New Year to a= ll !

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"no/do not support".

About the document,= I share Dieter=E2=80=99s perplexity on real interoperable deployment of SM= P justifying the usage and extension of GMPLS signaling. (SMP already suppo= rt APS data plane signaling for protection switching).

Thanks

Sergio

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From:= Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:46 AM
To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling= -smp

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Hi Pavan, Lou, all,

Happy New Year!

Here's my reply to the poll: no/do not support

I have doubts whether interoperable SMP implementations are existing today = in the data plane that justify the definition of GMPLS signaling extensions= to support SMP.


Thanks,
Dieter

On 18.12.2018 15:07, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:

All,

This is start of a *three* week poll on making
draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "n= o/do not
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends Jan 8th 2019 (extra week to account for the holidays).

Thanks,
Pavan and Lou



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Thanks Sergio -----Original Message----- From: Teas On Behalf Of Leeyoung Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:49 PM To: teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02.txt Hi Tarek, Looking at the update, I have one comment. On performance-metric-container-= packet, you moved packet-loss from generic performance-metric-container. Ho= w about delay-variance? On our off-line discussion, I thought we agreed tha= t delay-variance is also packet property.=20 Thanks. Young -----Original Message----- From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 11:42 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signa= ling WG of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Igor Bryskin Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02.txt Pages : 75 Date : 2018-12-23 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types and groupings in YANG data modeling language. These derived common types and groupings are intended to be imported by modules that model Traffic Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Jan 8 06:45:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6E7124C04; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 06:45:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.947 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dygoSYyqVqKE; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 06:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAFC6126BED; Tue, 8 Jan 2019 06:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=166.176.248.72; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'" , "'TEAS WG'" Cc: "'TEAS WG Chairs'" References: <735916399E11684EAF4EB4FB376B71955C2715EC@dggema523-mbs.china.huawei.com> <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927C30F73F9@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C927C30F73F9@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 09:45:34 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01d4a760$d0516040$70f420c0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01D4A736.E77C69B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGHkM7pFtgp4VjxFnlch4rGu8S0kwJ4W81GpivdALA= Content-Language: en-us X-Antivirus: AVG (VPS 190108-0, 01/08/2019), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 14:45:43 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01D4A736.E77C69B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support=20 =20 Susan Hares=20 =20 From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hejia (Jia) Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 8:50 AM To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; TEAS WG Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp =20 Yes/support. =20 =20 B.R. 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Yes/support

 

Susan Hares

 

From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Hejia (Jia)
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 8:50 = AM
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Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption = poll - = draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp

 

Yes/support.

 

 

B.R.

Jia (as co-author)

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4= =BA=BA: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] = =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8<= /span> Vishnu Pavan Beeram
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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98<= /span>: [Teas] WG adoption poll - = draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp

 

All,

This is start of a = *three* week poll on making
draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS = working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating = "yes/support" or "no/do not
support". If = indicating no, please state your reservations with the
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Thanks,
Pavan and = Lou

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SMP is a = standard, I don=E2=80=99t see any reason why we shouldn=E2=80=99t = support it=E2=80=99s signaling. =20 BR =20 Daniele =20 =20 From: Teas On Behalf Of Hejia (Jia) Sent: den 9 januari 2019 03:39 To: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) ; = Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; TEAS WG Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp =20 Hi Dieter, SMP standard is published as G.808.3 by ITU-T SG15. As far as I know, = there are implementations in the industry. Besides, the draft is not to = addess interoperability issue, but rather to define a new protection = type that is used in the provisioning of primary and secondary LSPs in = the SMP case. B.R. Jia =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ABeller, Dieter (Nokia - = DE/Stuttgart) = > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9AVishnu Pavan Beeram = >;TEAS WG = > =E6=8A=84=E2=80=83=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9ATEAS WG Chairs > =E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2019-01-08 17:46:54 =E4=B8=BB=E2=80=83=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Teas] WG adoption poll - = draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp =20 Hi Pavan, Lou, all, Happy New Year! Here's my reply to the poll: no/do not support I have doubts whether interoperable SMP implementations are existing = today in the data plane that justify the definition of GMPLS signaling = extensions to support SMP. Thanks, Dieter On 18.12.2018 15:07, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: All, This is start of a *three* week poll on making draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends Jan 8th 2019 (extra week to account for the holidays). Thanks, Pavan and Lou _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas =20 ------=_NextPart_001_05C5_01D4A7FD.842A0DA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I agree with Jia and support the = adoption of the draft. SMP is a standard, I don=E2=80=99t see any reason = why we shouldn=E2=80=99t support it=E2=80=99s = signaling.

 

BR

 

Daniele=C2=A0 =

 

From: Teas = <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Hejia = (Jia)
Sent: den 9 januari 2019 03:39
To: Beller, = Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com>; Vishnu = Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG = <teas@ietf.org>
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs = <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption = poll - = draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp

 

Hi = Dieter,

SMP standard is published as G.808.3 by ITU-T SG15. As = far as I know, there are implementations in the industry. Besides, the = draft is not to addess interoperability issue, but rather to define a = new protection type that is used in the provisioning of primary and = secondary LSPs in the SMP = case.

B.R.
Jia

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ABell= er, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart) <dieter.beller@nokia.com>

=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9AVishnu Pavan = Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>;TEAS = WG <teas@ietf.org>

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=E6=8A=84=E2=80=83=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9ATEAS WG = Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>

=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2019-01-08 = 17:46:54

=E4=B8=BB=E2=80=83=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Teas] WG = adoption poll - = draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp

 

Hi Pavan, Lou, = all,

Happy New Year!

Here's my reply to the poll: no/do = not support

I have doubts whether interoperable SMP = implementations are existing today in the data plane that justify the = definition of GMPLS signaling extensions to support = SMP.


Thanks,
Dieter

On 18.12.2018 15:07, Vishnu Pavan Beeram = wrote:

All,

This is start of a *three* week poll on = making
draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group = document.
Please send email to the list indicating = "yes/support" or "no/do not
support". If = indicating no, please state your reservations with the
document. If = yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see = addressed once the document is a WG = document.

The poll ends Jan 8th 2019 (extra week to account for = the holidays).

Thanks,
Pavan and = Lou



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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teas@ietf.org Message-ID: <154718144791.30800.11162886050357095718@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 20:37:27 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-03.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 04:37:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Igor Bryskin Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-03.txt Pages : 83 Date : 2019-01-10 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types and groupings in YANG data modeling language. These derived common types and groupings are intended to be imported by modules that model Traffic Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. 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Personally, I think = operators would use this type of mechanism and having an agreed = well-defined IETF document that defines generic procedure would be = helpful.=20 BR, Dan. =20 From: Teas On Behalf Of tochio@fujitsu.com Sent: 08 January 2019 01:16 To: TEAS WG Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp Yes/support Regards, Yuji From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vishnu Pavan = Beeram Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 11:07 PM To: TEAS WG Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Subject: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp All, This is start of a *three* week poll on making draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends Jan 8th 2019 (extra week to account for the holidays). Thanks, Pavan and Lou From nobody Mon Jan 14 02:44:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E876130FE5; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 02:44:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R5AXZ8Nki33y; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 02:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg1-x534.google.com (mail-pg1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17E50130FE4; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 02:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg1-x534.google.com with SMTP id y4so9279734pgc.12; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 02:44:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DPr89ytZSztXCRqd98LjTiZunBt8gsg3A1VheZIDvxA=; b=Ath3dzcRl5omPhTVp5z1KxlE1cplfRudVsiDUuwHMhA4Y9RGSl/nJ5EI0KQ3T/ZD8N meZ24OLt6ZM6644yjdl6Guhn6SLSIDXSLoTy4M/JhhW+0Nfep2lUJNHMgHxtyxt6pJKD T0M0TT0x85tOyDMkiHGFdq0ejQuW2Kq5Asg2ZmiKLaW73n6CyaR9PoDB2e8Nz/rUVzuY 1LDKgPrT2K4Aylwl/fMWd1LXwHedHDhKYLOo2HSov5/7x+TjFgZ4phP0VFj3uLriwurl 6gbfqesI7xR1yU0pH9oi1N2M5V2Au+wvieYHwrirQZL+8sBr7uVSOhxPMIp1VKXvvIar IHGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DPr89ytZSztXCRqd98LjTiZunBt8gsg3A1VheZIDvxA=; b=bQBWb7NcXUBOhqMNAtQmjH+t4ZKnR/wTJD+1IpTMaJOGv9mVP1UwLZmDG6/UpusEXp 48WQEIeqXEqYM35rZbg7FunNFN5GL/xr9NX3xmd8yG+p88Y1j1xUiR0ReM7R8ZDS2XXx S3E6ckzzkJX0Ckk5fT+FmQNtpV9kN3t+klaqowGR9kqGVA+icGd3ndRt6cX2cTaQC1xD uGeSoNzPOZFaAx9/GHOmpsRaoIaXSRqhdaLu6S1hU5TC6zfKOYyzzsbDD7D5fSzAmP/6 QY58b3lsAnRn1xGwnj+wfOCC4JFQ6Hle7D7VX5TaXbtt3b4FdlovyvFb+CKx8KRm8pst HISw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukcQvDodIlZn0XKK7ebdS5hoC7mHh3+Q3KgZROjjjGG175vlbefV SSubk5bqsuWJwXyCzPv9euxF4zCnfQN0+WwxR+/dstscnoY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN7Y0xZFAsWHmjQTD3AfM8X8jltymBxFlU1jL/dpQisKc5TpGCg+lu7l+iiNO/lrw2kLmO7+3BJcVzw6wfGHR58= X-Received: by 2002:a62:2044:: with SMTP id g65mr24549505pfg.127.1547462648146; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 02:44:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 05:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: To: TEAS WG Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000072322d057f68b985" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn-03 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 10:44:10 -0000 --00000000000072322d057f68b985 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" All, The WG poll is closed. The scalability concerns raised during the poll are duly noted and are expected to get discussed and debated thoroughly as the document progresses through the WG process. Please note that the WG adoption is just the beginning step in the process and that everyone in the WG is welcome to weigh in with relevant contributions. Authors, Please republish draft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn-03 as draft-ietf-teas-enhanced-vpn-00 with only the date and file name changed. Thanks, - Pavan and Lou On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 2:26 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > All, > > This is start of a *three* week poll on making > draft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn a TEAS working group document. > Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > The poll ends Jan 7th 2019 (extra week to account for the holidays). > > Thanks, > Pavan and Lou > --00000000000072322d057f68b985 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The WG poll is closed. The = scalability concerns raised during the poll are duly noted and are expected= to get discussed and debated thoroughly as the document progresses through= the WG process. Please note that the WG adoption is just the beginning ste= p in the process and that everyone in the WG is welcome to weigh in with re= levant contributions.

Authors,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please republish draft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn-03 as draft-iet= f-teas-enhanced-vpn-00 with only the date and file name changed.

Thanks,
- Pavan and Lou
<= br>
On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 2:26= AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnu= pavan@gmail.com> wrote:
All,

This is start of a *three* week poll on making
draft-dong-teas-enhanced-vpn a TEAS working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "n= o/do not
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends Jan 7th 2019 (extra week to account for the holidays).

Thanks,
Pavan and Lou
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All,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The WG poll is closed. The concerns raised about the utility of this extension are duly = noted and are=20 expected to get debated further as the document=20 progresses through the WG process. Based on the discussion so far, the chai= rs don't see a good reason to not support this signaling extension.
Authors,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Please republish draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-00 as draf= t-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-00 with only the date and file name changed= .

- Pavan and Lou

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 9:07 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wr= ote:
All,

This is start of a *three* week poll on making
draft-he-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp a TEAS working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "n= o/do not
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see addressed once the document is a , LE ROUZIC Esther TGI/OLN Organization: Orange Message-ID: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 10:04:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-PMX-Version: 6.4.6.2792898, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2019.1.15.85716, AntiVirus-Engine: 5.56.1, AntiVirus-Data: 2019.1.15.5561001 X-PMX-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIIII, Probability=8%, Report=' MULTIPLE_RCPTS 0.1, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1700_1799 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MULTIPLE_REAL_RCPTS 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, __CC_NAME 0, __CC_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __CC_REAL_NAMES 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_ANY_CC1 0, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_RCPT 0, __HAS_CC_HDR 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HIGHBITS 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2 0, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:05:19 -0000 Hi all, A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. In this module, we have: +---- path-request* [request-id] |  +---- ... |  +---- source?                   inet:ip-address |  +---- destination?              inet:ip-address |  +---- src-tp-id?                binary |  +---- dst-tp-id?                binary |  +---- ... |  +---- explicit-route-objects |  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] |  |  |  +---- index            uint32 |  |  |  +---- (type)? |  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop) |  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-hop |  |  |     |     +---- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id |  |  |     |     +---- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id |  |  |     |     +---- ... In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 fixes to consider on this document: - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead of binary; - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason they would not?). What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in Section 4.1." Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd issue above. Thanks, Julien, et al. From nobody Tue Jan 15 04:26:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9172B130E58 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:26:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvd1WrGeR3rL for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1840130DE9 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 9E9368D67BBD032C448D for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:26:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:26:52 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.25]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.133]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 04:26:48 -0800 From: Igor Bryskin To: "julien.meuric@orange.com" , "teas@ietf.org" CC: "esther.lerouzic@orange.com" , "ahmed.triki@orange.com" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules Thread-Index: AQHUrLF+MRSI9pFT0EemCcHxg8dUFqWwQccq Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:26:47 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_etPan5c3dd2035c1b45c52232localhost_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 12:26:57 -0000 --_000_etPan5c3dd2035c1b45c52232localhost_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julien, 2 comments: 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which is di= fferent from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination point, i.e. pl= ace where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a node; 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be differe= nt from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and PCEP) because= there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node from link in ERO w= ithout necessarily looking into topology infotmation. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric To:TEAS WG, Cc:LE ROUZIC Esther TGI/OLN,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-15 04:05:43 Subject:[Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modu= les Hi all, A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. In this module, we have: +---- path-request* [request-id] | +---- ... | +---- source? inet:ip-address | +---- destination? inet:ip-address | +---- src-tp-id? binary | +---- dst-tp-id? binary | +---- ... | +---- explicit-route-objects | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] | | | +---- index uint32 | | | +---- (type)? | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id | | | | +---- ... In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 fixes to consider on this document: - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead of binary; - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason they would not?). What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in Section 4.1." Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd issue above. Thanks, Julien, et al. _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_etPan5c3dd2035c1b45c52232localhost_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Julien,

2 comments:
1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which is di= fferent from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination point, i.e. pl= ace where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a node;
2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be differe= nt from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and PCEP) because= there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node from link in ERO w= ithout necessarily looking into topology infotmation.

Cheers,
Igor
From:Julien Meuric
To:TEAS WG,
Cc:LE ROUZIC Esther TGI/OLN,ahme= d.triki@orange.com,
Date:2019-01-15 04:05:43
Subject:[Teas] Types within ietf= -te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules

Hi all,

A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the
ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a
couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing.

In this module, we have:

+---- path-request* [request-id]
|  +---- ...
|  +---- source?        &n= bsp;          inet:ip-address<= br> |  +---- destination?       &nb= sp;      inet:ip-address
|  +---- src-tp-id?        = ;        binary
|  +---- dst-tp-id?        = ;        binary
|  +---- ...
|  +---- explicit-route-objects
|  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index]
|  |  |  +---- index      =       uint32
|  |  |  +---- (type)?
|  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop)
|  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-hop |  |  |     |     +--= -- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id
|  |  |     |     +--= -- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id
|  |  |     |     +--= -- ...

In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 fixes to consider on this document:
- src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead of binary;
- source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason
they would not?).

What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g.
RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in
Section 4.1."
Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd
issue above.

Thanks,

Julien, et al.

_______________________________________________
Teas mailing list
Teas@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/teas
 --_000_etPan5c3dd2035c1b45c52232localhost_-- From nobody Tue Jan 15 06:13:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE55A130E58 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qqLVKPvnCobv for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9AF0129BBF for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id AC8CDAA7F7DC1AFB6E9F for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:13:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.39) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:13:06 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.25]) by SJCEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.133]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 15 Jan 2019 06:12:58 -0800 From: Igor Bryskin To: Igor Bryskin , "julien.meuric@orange.com" , "teas@ietf.org" CC: "esther.lerouzic@orange.com" , "ahmed.triki@orange.com" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules Thread-Index: AQHUrLF+MRSI9pFT0EemCcHxg8dUFqWwQccqgAAdqhU= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:12:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_etPan5c3dead076c532e548f3localhost_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:13:11 -0000 --_000_etPan5c3dead076c532e548f3localhost_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julien, Two more comments from me and Italo: 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good idea; 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not (pingable) I= P address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just a number that ide= ntifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node belongs to, hence uint32 i= s sufficient. Cheers, Igor From:Igor Bryskin To:julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-15 07:27:22 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types = Modules Hi Julien, 2 comments: 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which is di= fferent from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination point, i.e. pl= ace where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a node; 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be differe= nt from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and PCEP) because= there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node from link in ERO w= ithout necessarily looking into topology infotmation. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric To:TEAS WG, Cc:LE ROUZIC Esther TGI/OLN,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-15 04:05:43 Subject:[Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modu= les Hi all, A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. In this module, we have: +---- path-request* [request-id] | +---- ... | +---- source? inet:ip-address | +---- destination? inet:ip-address | +---- src-tp-id? binary | +---- dst-tp-id? binary | +---- ... | +---- explicit-route-objects | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] | | | +---- index uint32 | | | +---- (type)? | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id | | | | +---- ... In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 fixes to consider on this document: - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead of binary; - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason they would not?). What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in Section 4.1." Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd issue above. Thanks, Julien, et al. _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_etPan5c3dead076c532e548f3localhost_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Julien,

Two more comments from me and Italo:
1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type i= s a good idea;
2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not (pingable) I= P address, nor it is a routing protocol  router ID , just a number tha= t identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node belongs to, hence uin= t32 is sufficient.

Cheers,
Igor
From:Igor Bryskin
To:julien.meuric@orange.com,teas= @ietf.org,
Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ah= med.triki@orange.com,
Date:2019-01-15 07:27:22
Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within = ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules

Hi Julien,

2 comments:
1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which is di= fferent from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination point, i.e. pl= ace where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a node;
2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be differe= nt from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and PCEP) because= there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node from link in ERO w= ithout necessarily looking into topology infotmation.

Cheers,
Igor
From:Julien Meuric
To:TEAS WG,
Cc:LE ROUZIC Esther TGI/OLN,ahme= d.triki@orange.com,
Date:2019-01-15 04:05:43
Subject:[Teas] Types within ietf= -te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules

Hi all,

A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the
ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a
couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing.

In this module, we have:

+---- path-request* [request-id]
|  +---- ...
|  +---- source?        &n= bsp;          inet:ip-address<= br> |  +---- destination?       &nb= sp;      inet:ip-address
|  +---- src-tp-id?        = ;        binary
|  +---- dst-tp-id?        = ;        binary
|  +---- ...
|  +---- explicit-route-objects
|  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index]
|  |  |  +---- index      =       uint32
|  |  |  +---- (type)?
|  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop)
|  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-hop |  |  |     |     +--= -- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id
|  |  |     |     +--= -- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id
|  |  |     |     +--= -- ...

In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 fixes to consider on this document:
- src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead of binary;
- source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason
they would not?).

What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g.
RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in
Section 4.1."
Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd
issue above.

Thanks,

Julien, et al.

_______________________________________________
Teas mailing list
Teas@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/teas
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julien, Igor, I completely share the idea 1) to share src/dst type with node-id type . As= co-author, the alignment in path-computation draft to proposed definitions= in te-types is one of the item we need to check carefully for next meeting= . Thanks Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 3:13 PM To: Igor Bryskin ; julien.meuric@orange.com; teas@= ietf.org Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types= Modules Hi Julien, Two more comments from me and Italo: 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good idea; 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not (pingable) I= P address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just a number that ide= ntifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node belongs to, hence uint32 i= s sufficient. Cheers, Igor From:Igor Bryskin To:julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-15 07:27:22 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types = Modules Hi Julien, 2 comments: 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which is di= fferent from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination point, i.e. pl= ace where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a node; 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be differe= nt from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and PCEP) because= there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node from link in ERO w= ithout necessarily looking into topology infotmation. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric To:TEAS WG, Cc:LE ROUZIC Esther TGI/OLN,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-15 04:05:43 Subject:[Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modu= les Hi all, A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. In this module, we have: +---- path-request* [request-id] | +---- ... | +---- source? inet:ip-address | +---- destination? inet:ip-address | +---- src-tp-id? binary | +---- dst-tp-id? binary | +---- ... | +---- explicit-route-objects | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] | | | +---- index uint32 | | | +---- (type)? | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id | | | | +---- ... In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 fixes to consider on this document: - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead of binary; - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason they would not?). What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in Section 4.1." Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd issue above. Thanks, Julien, et al. _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_AM0PR07MB5921AAF50C5C087F961D745A91810AM0PR07MB5921eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Julien, Igor,

 

I completely share the idea 1) to share src/dst type= with node-id type . As co-author, the alignment in path-computation draft = to proposed definitions in te-types is one of the item we need to check car= efully for next meeting .

 

 

Thanks

 

Sergio

 

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Igor Bryskin
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 3:13 PM
To: Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com>; julien.meuric@oran= ge.com; teas@ietf.org
Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com
Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-t= e-types Modules

 

Hi Julien,

Two more comments from me and Italo:
1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type i= s a good idea;
2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not (pingable) I= P address, nor it is a routing protocol  router ID , just a number tha= t identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node belongs to, hence uin= t32 is sufficient.

Cheers,
Igor

From:Igor Bryskin

To:julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org,

Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,<= /p>

Date:2019-01-15 07:27:22

Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-typ= es Modules

 

Hi Julien,

2 comments:
1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which is di= fferent from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination point, i.e. pl= ace where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a node;
2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be differe= nt from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and PCEP) because= there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node from link in ERO w= ithout necessarily looking into topology infotmation.

Cheers,
Igor

From:Julien Meuric

To:TEAS WG,

Cc:LE ROUZIC Esther TGI/OLN,ahmed.triki@orange.com,

Date:2019-01-15 04:05:43

Subject:[Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types M= odules

 

Hi all,

A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the
ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a
couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing.

In this module, we have:

+---- path-request* [request-id]
|  +---- ...
|  +---- source?        &n= bsp;          inet:ip-address<= br> |  +---- destination?       &nb= sp;      inet:ip-address
|  +---- src-tp-id?        = ;        binary
|  +---- dst-tp-id?        = ;        binary
|  +---- ...
|  +---- explicit-route-objects
|  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index]
|  |  |  +---- index      =       uint32
|  |  |  +---- (type)?
|  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop)
|  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-hop |  |  |     |     +--= -- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id
|  |  |     |     +--= -- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id
|  |  |     |     +--= -- ...

In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 fixes to consider on this document:
- src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead of binary;
- source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason
they would not?).

What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g.
RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in
Section 4.1."
Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd
issue above.

Thanks,

Julien, et al.

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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : GMPLS Signaling Extensions for Shared Mesh Protection Authors : Jia He Italo Busi Filename : draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2019-01-14 Abstract: ITU-T Recommendation G.808.3 [G808.3] defines the generic aspects of a shared mesh protection (SMP) mechanism, where the difference between SMP and shared mesh restoration (SMR) is also identified. ITU-T Recommendation G.873.3 [G873.3] defines the protection switching operation and associated protocol for shared mesh protection (SMP) at the optical data unit (ODU) layer. RFC 7412 provides requirements for any mechanism that would be used to implement SMP in an MPLS-TP network. This document updates RFC 4872 to provide the extensions to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to support the control of the shared mesh protection. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jan 16 01:49:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24291130E0A for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 01:49:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_FAIL=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6CaryRlkAGFH for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 01:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-mail-ext.rd.orange.com (p-mail-ext.rd.orange.com [161.106.1.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56504130DF1 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 01:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-mail-ext.rd.orange.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 630BA5615A7; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:48:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from p-mail-int.rd.francetelecom.fr (p-mail-int.rd.francetelecom.fr [10.192.117.12]) by p-mail-ext.rd.orange.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1D55615A5; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:48:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from p-mail-int.rd.francetelecom.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 19F68181A07; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:48:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.71.36] (l-at13891.rd.francetelecom.fr [10.193.71.36]) by p-mail-int.rd.francetelecom.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1E81819C9; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:48:52 +0100 (CET) From: Julien Meuric To: Igor Bryskin , "teas@ietf.org" Cc: "esther.lerouzic@orange.com" , "ahmed.triki@orange.com" References: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> Organization: Orange Message-ID: <216f71fd-6cc0-ce1a-7da8-0adc4b38da98@orange.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 10:48:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-PMX-Version: 6.4.6.2792898, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2019.1.16.93916, AntiVirus-Engine: 5.56.0, AntiVirus-Data: 2019.1.3.5560002 X-PMX-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report=' TO_IN_SUBJECT 0.5, MULTIPLE_RCPTS 0.1, HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODY_SIZE_4000_4999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, MULTIPLE_REAL_RCPTS 0, REFERENCES 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CC_NAME 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __DQ_NEG_HEUR 0, __DQ_NEG_IP 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_ANY_CC1 0, __FROM_DOMAIN_IN_RCPT 0, __HAS_CC_HDR 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __MULTIPLE_RCPTS_CC_X2 0, __MULTIPLE_URI_TEXT 0, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __SUBJ_REPLY 0, __TO_IN_SUBJECT2 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NOT_IMG 0, __URI_NS , __URI_NS_SERVFAIL , __URI_WITHOUT_PATH 0, __URI_WITH_PATH 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 09:49:14 -0000 Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol  router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > |  +---- ... > |  +---- source?                   inet:ip-address > |  +---- destination?              inet:ip-address > |  +---- src-tp-id?                binary > |  +---- dst-tp-id?                binary > |  +---- ... > |  +---- explicit-route-objects > |  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > |  |  |  +---- index            uint32 > |  |  |  +---- (type)? > |  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop) > |  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-hop > |  |  |     |     +---- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id > |  |  |     |     +---- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id > |  |  |     |     +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Wed Jan 16 04:56:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31105130E6E for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:56:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6VzUmasih9b9 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05CC7130E27 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 0E30C479F017CD10699D for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:56:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:56:20 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.25]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.117]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 16 Jan 2019 04:56:08 -0800 From: Igor Bryskin To: "julien.meuric@orange.com" , Igor Bryskin , "teas@ietf.org" CC: "esther.lerouzic@orange.com" , "ahmed.triki@orange.com" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules Thread-Index: AQHUrLF+MRSI9pFT0EemCcHxg8dUFqWwQccqgAAdqhWAAc6ngP//rje+ Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:56:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> , <216f71fd-6cc0-ce1a-7da8-0adc4b38da98@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <216f71fd-6cc0-ce1a-7da8-0adc4b38da98@orange.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_etPan5c3f2a5063ff74c0f8flocalhost_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 12:56:28 -0000 --_000_etPan5c3f2a5063ff74c0f8flocalhost_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/ort= hoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol sp= eaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run witho= ut routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary s= egment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discov= ered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies = as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk abou= t reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comf= ormant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE t= unnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) w= ith a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. = bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link terminat= ion point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered ident= ifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types be= tween the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric To:Igor Bryskin,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types = Modules Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_etPan5c3f2a5063ff74c0f8flocalhost_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Julien,

To your A2.1:

te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/ort= hoganal  from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protoc= ol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple:
1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run witho= ut routing protocols;
2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary s= egment of the underlay network.

TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discov= ered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies = as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk abou= t reference points and convenience of
implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comf= ormant to universally.

To your B1.1:

Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE t= unnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) w= ith a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. = bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other  hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS to= pology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated o= n a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they a= re totally unrelated.


Cheers,
Igor


From:Julien Meuric
To:Igor Bryskin,teas@ietf.org,
Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ah= med.triki@orange.com,
Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41
Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within = ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules

Hi Igor,

A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both pla= ces.

A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a
routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs
that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as
mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from=
"te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread dir= ected
to the authors of ietf-te-types).

B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not
suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there= are
some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they?

B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" an= d
"te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in s= ync on
that.

Cheers,

Julien


On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote:
> Hi Julien,
>
> Two more comments from me and Italo:
> 1.To <http://1.To> align src/dst typ= e with the node-id type is a good
> idea;
> 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not
> (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol  router ID , = just
> a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node
> belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient.
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Igor Bryskin
> *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22
>
> Hi Julien,
>
> 2 comments:
> 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which<= br> > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination
> point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a<= br> > node;
> 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node<= br> > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation= .
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Julien Meuric
> *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43
>
> Hi all,
>
> A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the
> ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a
> couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing.
>
> In this module, we have:
>
> +---- path-request* [request-id]
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- source?       &nb= sp;           inet:ip-add= ress
> |  +---- destination?      &nbs= p;       inet:ip-address
> |  +---- src-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- dst-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- explicit-route-objects
> |  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index]
> |  |  |  +---- index     &= nbsp;      uint32
> |  |  |  +---- (type)?
> |  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop)
> |  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-= hop
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- ...
>
> In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id a= re
> different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to= 2
> fixes to consider on this document:
> - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id inste= ad
> of binary;
> - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reaso= n
> they would not?).
>
> What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-b= it
> only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g.<= br> > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IP= v6
> address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in=
> Section 4.1."
> Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julien, et al.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
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5d471751-9675-428d-917b-70f44f9630b0 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM0PR07MB4193 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 08:40:07 -0000 --_000_AM0PR07MB59212DE755A64C1CB4756B63919C0AM0PR07MB5921eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Igor, I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable addr= ess but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-= node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format. "typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]."; Cheers Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM To: julien.meuric@orange.com; Igor Bryskin ; teas@= ietf.org Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types= Modules Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/ort= hoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol sp= eaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run witho= ut routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary s= egment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discov= ered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies = as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk abou= t reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comf= ormant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE t= unnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) w= ith a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. = bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link terminat= ion point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered ident= ifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types be= tween the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric To:Igor Bryskin,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types = Modules Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation.. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_AM0PR07MB59212DE755A64C1CB4756B63919C0AM0PR07MB5921eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Igor,

I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not = to have a routable address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in= the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format= .

 

“typedef =
te-node-id {

    type yang:dotted-quad;=

    description

      "A type re= presenting the identifier for a node in a TE

       topology.=

       The ident= ifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in

       the dotte= d-quad notation.

       This attr= ibute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described

       in Sectio= n 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in

       Section 3= of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID

       described= in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID

       described= in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119].

       The reach= ability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a

       mechanism= such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827].";

 

 

Cheers

Sergio

 

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Igor Bryskin
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM
To: julien.meuric@orange.com; Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.c= om>; teas@ietf.org
Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com
Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-t= e-types Modules

 

Hi Julien,

To your A2.1:

te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/ort= hoganal  from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protoc= ol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple:
1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run witho= ut routing protocols;
2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary s= egment of the underlay network.

TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discov= ered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies = as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk abou= t reference points and convenience of
implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comf= ormant to universally.

To your B1.1:

Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE t= unnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) w= ith a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. = bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other  hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS to= pology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated o= n a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they a= re totally unrelated.


Cheers,
Igor

From:Julien Meuric

To:Igor Bryskin,teas@ietf.org,

Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,<= /p>

Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41

Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-typ= es Modules

 

Hi Igor,

A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both pla= ces.

A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a
routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs
that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as
mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from=
"te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread dir= ected
to the authors of ietf-te-types).

B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not
suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there= are
some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they?

B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" an= d
"te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in s= ync on
that.

Cheers,

Julien


On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote:
> Hi Julien,
>
> Two more comments from me and Italo:
> 1.To <http://1.To> align src/dst typ= e with the node-id type is a good
> idea;
> 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not
> (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol  router ID , = just
> a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node
> belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient.
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Igor Bryskin
> *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22
>
> Hi Julien,
>
> 2 comments:
> 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which<= br> > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination
> point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a<= br> > node;
> 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node<= br> > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation= ..
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Julien Meuric
> *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43
>
> Hi all,
>
> A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the
> ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a
> couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing.
>
> In this module, we have:
>
> +---- path-request* [request-id]
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- source?       &nb= sp;           inet:ip-add= ress
> |  +---- destination?      &nbs= p;       inet:ip-address
> |  +---- src-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- dst-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- explicit-route-objects
> |  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index]
> |  |  |  +---- index     &= nbsp;      uint32
> |  |  |  +---- (type)?
> |  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop)
> |  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-= hop
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- ...
>
> In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id a= re
> different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to= 2
> fixes to consider on this document:
> - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id inste= ad
> of binary;
> - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reaso= n
> they would not?).
>
> What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-b= it
> only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g.<= br> > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IP= v6
> address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in=
> Section 4.1."
> Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julien, et al.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas

--_000_AM0PR07MB59212DE755A64C1CB4756B63919C0AM0PR07MB5921eurp_-- From nobody Fri Jan 18 06:27:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9055C124D68 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:27:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUs8-KprABvZ for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED42A1200D7 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id EF3E2B18AC4308EB3930 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:27:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.38) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:27:49 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.25]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.203]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Fri, 18 Jan 2019 06:27:38 -0800 From: Igor Bryskin To: "sergio.belotti@nokia.com" , Igor Bryskin , "julien.meuric@orange.com" , "teas@ietf.org" CC: "esther.lerouzic@orange.com" , "ahmed.triki@orange.com" , "tsaad@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: RE: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules Thread-Index: AQHUrzn2fy5v5tYZN0e1rVaFWHfb7A== Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:27:38 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> , <216f71fd-6cc0-ce1a-7da8-0adc4b38da98@orange.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_etPan5c41e2d9558707f8fdelocalhost_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 14:27:56 -0000 --_000_etPan5c41e2d9558707f8fdelocalhost_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sergio, AFAIK Top level TE RTR TLV of V2/3 OSPF -TE role is to advertise bindings o= f the advertising RouterID to one or more TERouterIDs, each of which could = be either 32 or 128 bit long, hence there is a way to map a 128b long TE Ro= uterID to 32b long te node id ( as specified by te-types). If I am correct,= there is no issue with the description. if I am wrong we should not mentio= n the RFC. IMHO there is no need for 128 TE Router ID (unless it is assumed always to = be IPv6 address, which is not), because it is difficult to envision a TE to= pology so large that unt32 is not sufficient to identify all its nodes. Cheers, Igor From:Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate) To:Igor Bryskin,julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,Tarek Saad (tsaad), Date:2019-01-18 03:40:16 Subject:RE: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types = Modules Hi Igor, I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable addr= ess but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-= node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format. =93typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]."; Cheers Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM To: julien.meuric@orange.com; Igor Bryskin ; teas@= ietf.org Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types= Modules Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/ort= hoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol sp= eaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run witho= ut routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary s= egment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discov= ered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies = as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk abou= t reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comf= ormant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE t= unnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) w= ith a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. = bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link terminat= ion point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered ident= ifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types be= tween the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric To:Igor Bryskin,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com, Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types = Modules Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation.. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --_000_etPan5c41e2d9558707f8fdelocalhost_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sergio,

AFAIK Top level TE RTR TLV of V2/3 OSPF -TE role is to advertise bindings o= f the advertising RouterID to one or more TERouterIDs, each of which could = be either 32 or 128 bit long, hence there is a way to map a 128b long TE Ro= uterID to 32b long te node id ( as specified by te-types). If I am correct, there is no issue with the des= cription. if I am wrong we should not mention the RFC.

IMHO there is no need for 128 TE Router ID (unless it is assumed always to = be IPv6 address, which is not), because it is difficult to envision a TE to= pology so large that unt32 is not sufficient to identify all its nodes.

Cheers,
Igor
From:Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT= /Vimercate)
To:Igor Bryskin,julien.meuric@or= ange.com,teas@ietf.org,
Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ah= med.triki@orange.com,Tarek Saad (tsaad),
Date:2019-01-18 03:40:16
Subject:RE: [Teas] Types within = ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules

Hi Igor,

I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not = to have a routable address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in= the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format= .

 

=93<=
span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"; color:black">typedef te-=
node-id {

    type yang:dotted-quad;

    description

      "A type = representing the identifier for a node in a TE

       topolog= y.

       The ide= ntifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in

       the dot= ted-quad notation.

       This at= tribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described

       in Sect= ion 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in

       Section= 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID

       describ= ed in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID

       describ= ed in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119].

       The rea= chability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a

       mechani= sm such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827].";

 

 

Cheers

Sergio

 

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> O= n Behalf Of Igor Bryskin
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM
To: julien.meuric@orange.com; Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.c= om>; teas@ietf.org
Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com
Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-t= e-types Modules

 

Hi Julien,

To your A2.1:

te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/ort= hoganal  from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protoc= ol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple:
1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run witho= ut routing protocols;
2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary s= egment of the underlay network.

TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discov= ered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies = as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk abou= t reference points and convenience of
implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comf= ormant to universally.

To your B1.1:

Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE t= unnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) w= ith a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. = bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other  hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS to= pology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated o= n a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they a= re totally unrelated.


Cheers,
Igor

<= b>From:Julien Meuric

<= b>To:Igor Bryskin,teas@ietf.org,

<= b>Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,

<= b>Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41

<= b>Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-ty= pes Modules

 

Hi Igor,

A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both pla= ces.

A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a
routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs
that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as
mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from=
"te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread dir= ected
to the authors of ietf-te-types).

B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not
suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there= are
some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they?

B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" an= d
"te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in s= ync on
that.

Cheers,

Julien


On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote:
> Hi Julien,
>
> Two more comments from me and Italo:
> 1.To <http://1.To> align src/dst typ= e with the node-id type is a good
> idea;
> 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not
> (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol  router ID , = just
> a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node
> belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient.
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Igor Bryskin
> *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22
>
> Hi Julien,
>
> 2 comments:
> 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which<= br> > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination
> point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a<= br> > node;
> 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node<= br> > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation= ..
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Julien Meuric
> *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43
>
> Hi all,
>
> A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the
> ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a
> couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing.
>
> In this module, we have:
>
> +---- path-request* [request-id]
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- source?       &nb= sp;           inet:ip-add= ress
> |  +---- destination?      &nbs= p;       inet:ip-address
> |  +---- src-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- dst-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- explicit-route-objects
> |  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index]
> |  |  |  +---- index     &= nbsp;      uint32
> |  |  |  +---- (type)?
> |  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop)
> |  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-= hop
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- ...
>
> In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id a= re
> different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to= 2
> fixes to consider on this document:
> - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id inste= ad
> of binary;
> - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reaso= n
> they would not?).
>
> What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-b= it
> only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g.<= br> > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IP= v6
> address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in=
> Section 4.1."
> Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julien, et al.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas

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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB5806 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 12:07:54 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:39 AM Hi Igor, I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format. No it doesn't. As your extract below shows, the reference is to Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. Go read it, it only defines a 32-bit stable IPv4 address; like the other references, 32 bits rules ok! Where TE might have problems is with a box that is: - TE - IPv6 only, no IPv4 - supports both LSR protocols - wants to follow the advice that the two LSR protocols should use the same identifier so that information can be correlated. OSPF then has Router Address 32-bit, no structure no semantics, the identifier Router IPv6 Address 128-bit in TLV Type 3 while the other LSR protocol has IPv6 TE Router ID 128-bit TLV type 140. so the two identifiers for the two LSR protocols would appear to be irreconcilable. This is a TE issue, not a modelling one; if the TE is in a seemingly impossible situation, then the YANG module too will be in a seemingly impossible situation and it is the TE that needs to be resolved first before the YANG module can be. Tom Petch "typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]."; Cheers Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/orthoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run without routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary segment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discovered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk about reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comformant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE tunnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) with a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation.. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. From nobody Sun Jan 20 08:01:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0F7127B4C for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:01:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYTDmZ3fmuxu for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9329012426E for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 5D30C470209329A88D2C for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:01:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.43) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:01:03 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.96]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.31]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Sun, 20 Jan 2019 08:00:55 -0800 From: Igor Bryskin To: "ietfa@btconnect.com" , "sergio.belotti@nokia.com" , Igor Bryskin , "julien.meuric@orange.com" , "teas@ietf.org" CC: "esther.lerouzic@orange.com" , "ahmed.triki@orange.com" , "tsaad@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules Thread-Index: AQHUrLF+MRSI9pFT0EemCcHxg8dUFqW4WULJ Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:00:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> , <216f71fd-6cc0-ce1a-7da8-0adc4b38da98@orange.com> , <005601d4b0b8$a3be0f40$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <005601d4b0b8$a3be0f40$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_etPan5c449bb68af89c7fcblocalhost_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 16:01:12 -0000 --_000_etPan5c449bb68af89c7fcblocalhost_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, Lets consider Ipv6 only network. Why in your opinion one would ever nesd a= 128b long TE Router ID? This would be necessary only if TE Router ID is on= e of the router's global IP addresses. But we seem to agree that TE Router= needs to be neither IP address nor be global (just a TE topology unique, = and there could be more than one TE topologies any given router could be pa= rt of with a separate TE Router ID/ te-node ID). And there are also, of cou= rse, abstact TE topologies, where TE Router IDs are meaningless, while te-= node IDs are meaningful. My question is can you thInk of a practical use case that requires 128b TE = Router ID? Probably is worth noting that In the te-topology modeling design team we ha= ve both CSCO and JNPR folks. None of them has ever raised any issues with = 32b long te-node IDs AFAIK. Cheers, Igor From:tom petch To:Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate),Igor Bryskin,julien.meuric@orange= .com,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,Tarek Saad (tsaad), Date:2019-01-20 07:07:59 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types = Modules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:39 AM Hi Igor, I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format. No it doesn't. As your extract below shows, the reference is to Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. Go read it, it only defines a 32-bit stable IPv4 address; like the other references, 32 bits rules ok! Where TE might have problems is with a box that is: - TE - IPv6 only, no IPv4 - supports both LSR protocols - wants to follow the advice that the two LSR protocols should use the same identifier so that information can be correlated. OSPF then has Router Address 32-bit, no structure no semantics, the identifier Router IPv6 Address 128-bit in TLV Type 3 while the other LSR protocol has IPv6 TE Router ID 128-bit TLV type 140. so the two identifiers for the two LSR protocols would appear to be irreconcilable. This is a TE issue, not a modelling one; if the TE is in a seemingly impossible situation, then the YANG module too will be in a seemingly impossible situation and it is the TE that needs to be resolved first before the YANG module can be. Tom Petch "typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]."; Cheers Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/orthoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run without routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary segment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discovered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk about reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comformant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE tunnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) with a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation.. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. --_000_etPan5c449bb68af89c7fcblocalhost_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tom,

Lets consider Ipv6 only network. Why in your opinion one would  ever n= esd a 128b long TE Router ID? This would be necessary only if TE Router ID = is one of the router's  global IP addresses. But we seem to agree that= TE Router  needs to be neither IP address nor be global (just a TE topology unique, and there could be more than one= TE topologies any given router could be part of with a separate TE Router = ID/ te-node ID). And there are also, of course,  abstact TE topologies= , where TE Router IDs are meaningless, while te-node IDs are meaningful.

My question is can you thInk of a practical use case that requires 128b TE = Router ID?

Probably is worth noting that In the te-topology modeling design team we ha= ve both CSCO and JNPR folks. None of them  has ever raised any issues = with 32b long te-node IDs AFAIK.

Cheers,
Igor

From:tom petch
To:Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/V= imercate),Igor Bryskin,julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org,
Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ah= med.triki@orange.com,Tarek Saad (tsaad),
Date:2019-01-20 07:07:59
Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within = ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules

----- Original Message -----
From: "Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)"
<sergio.belotti@nokia.com>
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:39 AM

Hi Igor,
I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable
address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format.

<tp>

No it doesn't.  As your extract below shows, the reference is to
Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119].
Go read it, it only defines a 32-bit stable IPv4 address; like the other references, 32 bits rules ok!

Where TE might have problems is with a box that is:
- TE
- IPv6 only, no IPv4
- supports both LSR protocols
- wants to follow the advice that the two LSR protocols should use the
same identifier so that information can be correlated.

OSPF then has
Router Address 32-bit, no structure no semantics, the identifier
Router IPv6 Address 128-bit in TLV Type 3

while the other LSR protocol  has
IPv6 TE Router ID 128-bit TLV type 140.

so the two identifiers for the two LSR protocols would appear to be
irreconcilable.

This is a TE issue, not a modelling one; if the TE is in a seemingly
impossible situation, then the YANG module too will be in a seemingly
impossible situation and it is the TE that needs to be resolved first
before the YANG module can be.

Tom Petch

"typedef te-node-id {
    type yang:dotted-quad;
    description
      "A type representing the identifier for= a node in a TE
       topology.
       The identifier is represented as 32-bi= t unsigned integer in
       the dotted-quad notation.
       This attribute MAY be mapped to the Ro= uter Address described
       in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE = Router ID described in
       Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic En= gineering Router ID
       described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305],= or the TE Router ID
       described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119= ].
       The reachability of such a TE node MAY= be achieved by a
       mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6= 827].";


Cheers
Sergio

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM

Hi Julien,

To your A2.1:

te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually
different/orthoganal  from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a
couple:
1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run
without routing protocols;
2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an
arbitrary segment of the underlay network.

TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be
discovered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te
topologies as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can
onlly talk about reference points and convenience of
implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be
comformant to universally.

To your B1.1:

Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a
TE tunnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM
transponder) with a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit
in 64, 128, etc. bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other
hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a
numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated on a node. There
is no need for sharing types between the two because they are totally
unrelated.

Cheers,
Igor

From:Julien Meuric
Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41

Hi Igor,

A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both pla= ces.

A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a
routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs
that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as
mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from=
"te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread dir= ected
to the authors of ietf-te-types).

B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not
suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there= are
some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they?

B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" an= d
"te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in s= ync on
that.

Cheers,

Julien


On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote:
> Hi Julien,
>
> Two more comments from me and Italo:
> 1.To <http://1.To> align src/dst typ= e with the node-id type is a good
> idea;
> 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not
> (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol  router ID , = just
> a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node
> belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient.
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Igor Bryskin
> *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22
>
> Hi Julien,
>
> 2 comments:
> 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which<= br> > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination
> point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a<= br> > node;
> 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node<= br> > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology
infotmation..
>
> Cheers,
> Igor
> *From:*Julien Meuric
> *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43
>
> Hi all,
>
> A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the
> ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a
> couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing.
>
> In this module, we have:
>
> +---- path-request* [request-id]
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- source?       &nb= sp;           inet:ip-add= ress
> |  +---- destination?      &nbs= p;       inet:ip-address
> |  +---- src-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- dst-tp-id?       =          binary
> |  +---- ...
> |  +---- explicit-route-objects
> |  |  +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index]
> |  |  |  +---- index     &= nbsp;      uint32
> |  |  |  +---- (type)?
> |  |  |     +--:(num-unnum-hop)
> |  |  |     |  +---- num-unnum-= hop
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- node-id?      te-types:te-node-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- link-tp-id?   te-types:te-tp-id
> |  |  |     |     &#= 43;---- ...
>
> In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are
> different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to=
2
> fixes to consider on this document:
> - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id
instead
> of binary;
> - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any
reason
> they would not?).
>
> What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as
32-bit
> only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g.<= br> > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IP= v6
> address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in=
> Section 4.1."
> Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julien, et al.

 --_000_etPan5c449bb68af89c7fcblocalhost_-- From nobody Mon Jan 21 02:10:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4B7130EF7; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 02:10:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wku6C354HbWb; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 02:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.tail-f.com (mail.tail-f.com [46.21.102.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCD4129508; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 02:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.147.40.94] (unknown [173.38.220.55]) by mail.tail-f.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 504321AE028C; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:10:15 +0100 (CET) From: Jan Lindblad Message-Id: <39E705F8-EE93-4F16-AD3A-39B2E6FCC37E@tail-f.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_405ED31B-6AA5-40C8-A77F-9484BF811F7C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:10:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" To: "Tarek Saad (tsaad)" References: <154090780735.15255.3911131220920609603@ietfa.amsl.com> <973699DE-882E-4531-A7D5-32AFEF4359E7@cisco.com> <6CC3CA10-0768-4C99-9237-30A78E1EC3DA@tail-f.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-03 (was -01) X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 10:10:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_405ED31B-6AA5-40C8-A77F-9484BF811F7C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Tarek, team, > Hi Jan > =20 > Thanks again for your thorough review and comments. We have uploaded = version -03 of the draft that addresses your comments. Please see Inline = [TS] for the resolution action taken. > Please let us know if you have any further comments. Very good to see progress. There are still a few things I think we = should discuss. Look for [janl2] inline below.=20 > From: Jan Lindblad > > Date: Monday, November 5, 2018 at 4:20 AM > To: Tarek Saad > > Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org " = >, = "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types.all@ietf.org = " = >, "ietf@ietf.org = " >, = "teas@ietf.org " > > Subject: Re: Yangdoctors early review of = draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-01 > Resent-From: > > Resent-To: Tarek Saad >, = >, = >, = >, = >, = >, >, >, >, >, Lou Berger > > Resent-Date: Monday, November 5, 2018 at 4:19 AM > =20 > Tarek,=20 > =20 > See my comments below [janl]. > =20 >> General questions: >> =20 >> #1: There are many locations in the YANG talking about an "ERO = subobject index" >> (and once RRO index, record route subobject). What is this, and = how is it >> supposed to be used? The document is silent on this matter, and I = have seen >> modules with problems around numeric index leafs much like this = earlier. Are >> these numbers stable, i.e. remains the same forever? >> =20 >> [TS]: The list of explicit route objects defines a TE path (e.g. = hops), where the index is used as a key to identify a specific entry in = the list. A lower index implies the TE path traverses this entry = earlier. We will clarify the description and remove mention of = =E2=80=9Csubobject=E2=80=9D in the next update to the document. > =20 > [janl] Very good re description changes. > =20 > I'm a little worried that numeric indices will end up in the same = quagmire+impasse where ACLs have been the last decades. Isn't there a = risk that people will want to insert entries between two consecutive = indices? Is "renumber" an operation that someone might ask for on these = indices? > [TS]: The list is ordered by the key (index).. We=E2=80=99ve added a = note in the description that entries with lower index are visited first = by the path. It is understandable that the list may have to be = reconfigured if an entry can not be fit in between two existing ones. = Note, a change in the configured ERO list is generally handled as = non-destructive event to an existing/provisioned tunnel (e.g. handled as = make-before-break). > =20 > leaf index { > type uint32; > description > "Route object entry index. A lower index indicates > path traverses the hop earlier than the higher index > hop(s)"; [janl2] Thanks for the clarification. My strong advice in the situation = you describe would be to change the lists with a uint32 index key to an = ordered-by user list with a string key. Several decades' experience attempting to automate management of ACLs = keyed by integers speak quite strongly against that solution. The IETF = standard YANG modules for ACLs have now abandoned this approach and = adopted ordered-by user lists with string keys. Let's say a manager has pushed a path to a set of devices. Now it needs = to configure a re-route around a network problem. This means replacing = one of the configured legs with five legs. Now, if they are keyed by = integers, this may make it necessary to renumber rules to make this = re-route fit. Of course an "experienced" manager may leave some room in = between rules so that this renumbering doesn't happen so often. The = problem is that if it could ever happen, whoever programs the manager = still needs to write (and test) the code for this. Then there are = references to these rules (exclude, include) that also need to be = updated if this happens. More code, more test. And if a human goes in = and makes this change manually on a device, the manager no longer has = any clue as to what happened. All it sees is a bunch of new rules with = new rule names; and a bunch of rules with the same names, many of which = have different content; it has no way of learning the intent. What has = been added, changed and removed? When nothing is stable, reconciliation = of a change becomes pretty much impossible. ACL management is = notoriously inefficient today, largely due to this seemingly small (and = completely unnecessary) problem with the management approach. The fix is simple. Make sure rule identities do not also double as = sequencing information. If identifiers are also used to convey important = configuration information, so that existing identifiers must change = whenever the intent is adjusted, that leads to an expensive solution. In = YANG, there is a mechanism that is made for this situation. That's = order-by user lists. In such lists, the order of entries is controlled = by the user (operator, programmer) without relying on the key value(s) = to determine that order. The user can insert any number of rules before = or after any other, or first or last in the list. The user can move = entries around without changing their names. This makes the device interface significantly easier to use for both = operators and programmers. While integer rule names are still possible, = the string type is better as some folks might falsely believe the an = integer key would be used as a sorting metric. To fix this in the model, the lists currently keyed by leaf index would = look something like this instead: list example-route-state { ordered-by user; key name; uses record-route_state; ... } Where the record-route_state looks like this: grouping record-route_state { description "The record route grouping"; leaf name { type string; description "Record route hop name. The name is used to identify an entry in the list. Records listed earlier in the list means the path traverses it earlier"; } I'm not sure I understand the author's intent perfectly, but my = impression is that some of the lists keyed by index are meant to refer = to route-objects in other lists. Like list route-object-include-object = entries would only make sense when they point to (use the same index as) = an existing route-object. Is that so? Any such reference should be = modeled using the leafref type, and a path pointer to the list that = contains relevant entries. E.g. like this: list route-object-include-object { key name; description "List of explicit route objects to be included in path computation"; leaf name { type leafref { path "/path/to/the/rule/name"; // fill in which list we're = pointing to here } description "Route object entry name. Points out a route object in list xxxx that will be included in the path."; } Let me know if this makes sense. Happy to discuss and/or explain = further. =20 >> #2: There are few leafs (5) with default values given, and none = with mandatory. >> Probably needs to increase before we get to last call. >> [TS]: In general, the team tried to avoid setting defaults unless it = is strictly dictated by another RFC/standard. The team will review again = to see if any was missed and will take action. > =20 > [janl] That's all fine. Just remember to describe what happens when a = leaf has no value every time there is no default or mandatory. Easy to = forget, experience shows. Missing this causes non-interoperability in = the standard. > [TS]: the team has opted to assign defaults to all optional leafs in = the latest revision of the draft. [janl2] Very good. =20 >> #3: There are several choices in the module that are meant to be = augmented with >> additional cases. In many instances, this is explicitly spelled = out, very good. >> If this is meant to happen in all choices, it would be nice to = point this out >> in every instance. Also, if there are any specific assumptions or >> considerations to keep in mind when augmenting in a new = technology, please note >> that in the description as well. >> [TS]: yes, we will update as necessary. > =20 > [janl] Great! > =20 >> Issues and nits: >> =20 >> #4: Unclear data type >> 419: >> typedef admin-group { >> type binary { >> length 4; >> =20 >> What is the format of this binary? If this is always a 4-byte = binary, wouldn't >> a numeric type be more user friendly, e.g. uint32? >> [TS]: the standard defines admin group as 4-octet binary (9 - = Administrative group (4 octets) ), and for extended-admin-group as = series of those. We are also defining a union to encompass both as = admin-groups below. Do you still have concerns on this? >> =20 >> typedef admin-groups { >> type union { >> type admin-group; >> type extended-admin-group; >> } >> description "TE administrative group derived type"; >> } > =20 > [janl] I'm have two concerns. The first is that I don't know what the = format of the type is. How do I know how to construct one of these = values, or interpret an existing one? Is this a randomly chosen value? = The other concern is how an operator would enter this value. The binary = type is not the most user friendly of types. A numeric representation in = the management interface might make better sense. > [TS]: RFC3630 and RFC5305 defines admin-groups (aka affinity colors) = as binary flags that are user specified (e.g. bit-position X is for RED, = and bit-position Y is for GREEN). So, binary type would be closest to = this representation. On other hand, RFC7591 states that a binary value = is represented as a JSON string -- base64 encoding = (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7951#section-6.6 = ). Let us know if there = are still concerns on this. [janl2] The YANG binary type is mostly used for large binary chunks that = an operator would never type, e.g. a 2048-bit RSA key or a new software = image. As I understand, the admin-group type is used for something an = operator might configure or read. If so, I would suggest changing this = type. If this is a 4-octet value, an uint32 would work nicely, would it = not? "2149847551" Or a dotted-quad? "128.36.17.255" Or maybe you could = invent a more human friendly interface, e.g. a string of zeros and ones = with dashes at strategic positions? = "10000000-00100100-00010001-11111111" If you leave this as type binary, at least don't expect operators to be = able to enter these values with reasonable effort. The binary type is = not meant for this. I noticed you also modeled the leaf as-number as type binary. This is = probably not a good idea. Suggest using uint16 or uint32. >> #5: identifier in container with optional leafs >> 1496: >> grouping te-topology-identifier { >> =20 >> The name suggests this is used as an identifier, but all the = leafs are >> optional. This is not typical. They are also in a container, = precluding them >> from being used as list keys. Is that as intended? >> [TS]: this container is not meant to be reused for a list, rather = contains ID(s) that together can be used to lookup a specific topology = that the TE tunnel is using. We can clarify this in the description > =20 > [janl] Hmm, ok. Still not sure what happens if you omit some value(s), = but I guess I should wait to see your clarification. > [TS]: we have addressed this by specifying defaults for the optional = leafs. [janl2] Nice. =20 >> #6: Optional -id leafs again >> 1700: >> leaf node-id { >> leaf link-tp-id { >> 1768: >> leaf address { >> 1783: >> leaf node-id { >> leaf link-tp-id { >> =20 >> Leafs that appear to be used as identifiers are optional >> [TS]: such IDs identify a specific node, link, or address in the = network but in our applications we do not to use them as keys in such = lists. For example list explicit-route-objects defines a separate index = leaf to be used as key -- since, a path may contain the same node-id or = address repeated multiple times (looping path).. =20 > =20 > [janl] So what happens if you omit specifying some of them? > [TS]: This was reworked and added a mandatory to leafs that are must, = and added defaults to optional leafs. [janl2] ok. >> #7: binary length in bits? =20 >> 1731: >> leaf as-number { >> type binary { >> length 16; >> 1773: >> leaf ip-flags { >> type binary { >> length 8; >> 1805: >> leaf label-flags { >> type binary { >> length 8; >> =20 >> It appears to me the modeler might have thought the length is = given in bits. >> The value of length is in bytes, however. >> [TS]: good catch, thanks. We'll correct it to indicate number of = octets as RFC6020 defines. >> =20 >> #8: Must expression copy paste >> 1852: >> container label-end { >> must "not(../label-end/te-label/direction) or " >> + "not(te-label/direction) " >> + "or ../label-end/te-label/direction =3D = te-label/direction" { >> =20 >> This must expression appears to have been copied from = label-start. In any case, >> it always evaluates to true and has no effect. >> [TS]: thanks, we can see the bug in the expression as is, and this = will be fixed/updated. >> =20 >> container label-end { >> must "not(../label-start/te-label/direction) or " >> + "not(te-label/direction) " >> + "or ../label-start/te-label/direction =3D = te-label/direction" { > =20 > [janl] This revised must statement is superfluous. The must statement = on container label-start already covers this case. > [TS]: addressed [janl2] This may not work as intended anymore. The must expression is = fine in itself, but now the direction leaf has a default (forward), = which means it will always exist with one value or another. The case = that the not(.... /direction) expressions test for will therefore = never happen. Only the last part (direction =3D direction) will be = relevant, and I'm not sure that's what you wanted. >> #9: Unclear bit field >> 1885: >> leaf range-bitmap { >> type binary; >> description >> "When there are gaps between label-start and label-end, >> this attribute is used to specify the positions >> of the used labels."; >> } >> =20 >> Need more information on how to interpret this leaf. Which bits = map to what, >> and what does the bit field values 0 and 1 indicate? >> [TS]: ]: Each bit-position in the bitmap will map to an offset from = the label-start. For example, if label-start=3D16000 and bitmap=3D0x11, = then labels=3D{16000, 16004} are relevant. We will clarify this in the = next update. > =20 > [janl] Very good. Since you are using type binary and refer to the = contents using integers, you should also specify how you map those = integer values to bit positions in the binary. E.g. big-endian? > [TS]: We have clarified this in the description of the leaf that it is = big-endian representation [janl2] Good that you added a description, but it doesn't make me much = wiser, I'm afraid. Even if there is a reference to RFC7951 (which is = only applicable to RESTCONF, btw), the new description doesn't describe = what the values mean (even when encoded according to 7951s6.6). Try to describe the algorithm I, as operator or network automation = programmer, should use to figure out what values to use here. The = encoding is also important, but if this is something operators should = enter, the binary type isn't what you want. If you pick a different = type, the encoding will probably fall out automatically. Best Regards, /jan > =20 > Regards, > Tarek >> #10: Canonical representation >> 67: >> typedef te-bandwidth { >> =20 >> The type is based on a string with a pattern allowing hex = characters and an >> upper or lowercase P. Since the pattern allows multiple = representations of the >> same underlaying value (0x1p10 presumably means the same as = 0x1p0xa and >> 0x1P0XA) the question comes up if there is a canonical = representation of this >> value, e.g. using all lowercase and all hex, or if the string = must be >> remembered exactly as given by the client. The description could = answer this >> question. >> [TS]: We will update the description to indicate more strict = canonical form (all upper case). >> =20 >> #11: Mix of upper and lowercase >> The module specifies many enumeration and identity values. Some = are all >> lowercase. Some are all uppercase. The principle of least = astonishment suggests >> to pick one and stick with it. YANG recommendations suggest to = use all >> lowercase when in doubt. >> =20 >> typedef te-link-direction { >> typedef te-label-direction { >> typedef te-hop-type { >> identity LSP_METRIC_TYPE { >> identity LSP_METRIC_RELATIVE { >> identity LSP_METRIC_ABSOLUTE { >> identity LSP_METRIC_INHERITED { >> [TS]: we will update to all lower-case to align with YANG = recommendations. > =20 > [janl] Great! > =20 > /jan --Apple-Mail=_405ED31B-6AA5-40C8-A77F-9484BF811F7C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Tarek, team,

Hi Jan
 
Thanks again for your = thorough review and comments. We have uploaded version -03 of the draft = that addresses your comments. Please see Inline [TS] for the resolution action = taken.
Please let us know if you = have any further comments.

Very good to see progress. There are still a few = things I think we should discuss. Look for [janl2] inline below. 


From: Jan Lindblad <janl@tail-f.com>
Date: Monday, November 5, = 2018 at 4:20 AM
To: Tarek Saad <tsaad@cisco.com>
Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" = <yang-doctors@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types.all@ietf.org>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Yangdoctors early = review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-01
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: Tarek Saad <tsaad@cisco.com>, <rgandhi@cisco.com>, = <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>, <vbeeram@juniper.net>, = <igor.bryskin@huawei.com>, <lberger@labn.net>, <mhartley.ietf@gmail.com>, <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>, <db3546@att.com>, <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Resent-Date: Monday, November 5, = 2018 at 4:19 AM
 
Tarek, 
 
See my comments below [janl].
 
  =   General questions:
    
    #1: There are many locations in the = YANG talking about an "ERO subobject index"
    (and once = RRO index, record route subobject). What is this, and how is = it
    supposed = to be used? The document is silent on this matter, and I have = seen
    modules = with problems around numeric index leafs much like this earlier. = Are
    these = numbers stable, i.e. remains the same forever?
 
[TS]: The list of explicit route objects defines a = TE path (e.g. hops), where the index is used as a key to identify a = specific entry in the list. A lower index implies the TE path traverses = this entry earlier. We will clarify the description and remove mention = of =E2=80=9Csubobject=E2=80=9D in the next update to the = document.
 
[janl] Very good re description changes.
 
I'm a little worried that numeric = indices will end up in the same quagmire+impasse where ACLs have been = the last decades. Isn't there a risk that people will want to insert = entries between two consecutive indices? Is "renumber" an operation that = someone might ask for on these indices?
[TS]: The list is = ordered by the key (index).. We=E2=80=99ve added a note in the = description that entries with lower index are visited first by the path. = It is understandable that the list may have to be reconfigured if an = entry can not be fit in between two existing ones. Note, a change in the = configured ERO list is generally handled as non-destructive event to an = existing/provisioned tunnel (e.g. handled as = make-before-break).
 
      leaf index {
        type uint32;
        description
          "Route = object entry index. A lower index indicates
           = path traverses the hop earlier than the higher index
           = hop(s)";

[janl2] Thanks for the clarification. My strong = advice in the situation you describe would be to change the lists with a = uint32 index key to an ordered-by user list with a string = key.

Several decades' experience = attempting to automate management of ACLs keyed by integers speak quite = strongly against that solution. The IETF standard YANG modules for ACLs = have now abandoned this approach and adopted ordered-by user lists with = string keys.

Let's say a manager has = pushed a path to a set of devices. Now it needs to configure a re-route = around a network problem. This means replacing one of the configured = legs with five legs. Now, if they are keyed by integers, this may make = it necessary to renumber rules to make this re-route fit. Of course an = "experienced" manager may leave some room in between rules so that this = renumbering doesn't happen so often. The problem is that if it could = ever happen, whoever programs the manager still needs to write (and = test) the code for this. Then there are references to these rules = (exclude, include) that also need to be updated if this happens. More = code, more test. And if a human goes in and makes this change manually = on a device, the manager no longer has any clue as to what happened. All = it sees is a bunch of new rules with new rule names; and a bunch of = rules with the same names, many of which have different content; it has = no way of learning the intent. What has been added, changed and removed? = When nothing is stable, reconciliation of a change becomes pretty much = impossible. ACL management is notoriously inefficient today, largely due = to this seemingly small (and completely unnecessary) problem with the = management approach.

The fix is = simple. Make sure rule identities do not also double as sequencing = information. If identifiers are also used to convey important = configuration information, so that existing identifiers must change = whenever the intent is adjusted, that leads to an expensive solution. In = YANG, there is a mechanism that is made for this situation. That's = order-by user lists. In such lists, the order of entries is controlled = by the user (operator, programmer) without relying on the key value(s) = to determine that order. The user can insert any number of rules before = or after any other, or first or last in the list. The user can move = entries around without changing their names.

This makes the device interface significantly = easier to use for both operators and programmers. While integer rule = names are still possible, the string type is better as some folks might = falsely believe the an integer key would be used as a sorting = metric.

To fix this in the model, = the lists currently keyed by leaf index would look something like this = instead:

  list example-route-state {
    ordered-by = user;
    = key name;
  =   uses record-route_state;
    ...
  }

Where the = record-route_state looks like this:

  grouping record-route_state {
    = description
      "The record route = grouping";
    leaf name {
      type = string;
      description
        = "Record route hop name. The name is used to
        =  identify an entry in the list. Records listed
        =  earlier in the list means the path traverses it = earlier";
    }

I'm not sure I understand the author's intent = perfectly, but my impression is that some of the lists keyed by index = are meant to refer to route-objects in other lists. Like list = route-object-include-object entries would only make sense when they = point to (use the same index as) an existing route-object. Is that so? = Any such reference should be modeled using the leafref type, and a path = pointer to the list that contains relevant entries. E.g. like = this:

    list = route-object-include-object {
      key = name;
 =     description
        "List of = explicit route objects to be included
         in path = computation";
      leaf name {
        = type leafref {
          path = "/path/to/the/rule/name"; // fill in which list we're pointing to = here
  =       }
        description
        =   "Route object entry name. Points out a route = object
           in list xxxx that = will be included in the path.";
      = }

Let = me know if this makes sense. Happy to discuss and/or explain = further.
 
    #2: There are few leafs (5) with default = values given, and none with mandatory.
    Probably needs to increase before we get = to last call.
[TS]: In general, the team tried to avoid setting = defaults unless it is strictly dictated by another RFC/standard. The = team will review again to see if any was missed and will take = action.
 
[janl] That's all fine. Just remember to describe what = happens when a leaf has no value every time there is no default or = mandatory. Easy to forget, experience shows. Missing this causes = non-interoperability in the standard.
[TS]: the team has opted = to assign defaults to all optional leafs in the latest revision of the = draft.

[janl2] Very good.
    
    #3: There are several = choices in the module that are meant to be augmented with
    additional = cases. In many instances, this is explicitly spelled out, very = good.
    If this is = meant to happen in all choices, it would be nice to point this = out
    in every = instance. Also, if there are any specific assumptions or
    = considerations to keep in mind when augmenting in a new technology, = please note
    that in = the description as well.
[TS]: yes, we will = update as necessary.
 
[janl] Great!
    
    Issues and nits:
    
    #4: Unclear data type
    = 419:
     =  typedef admin-group {
        type binary = {
          length = 4;
    
    What is the format of this binary? If = this is always a 4-byte binary, wouldn't
    a numeric type be more user friendly, e.g. = uint32?
[TS]: the standard defines admin group as 4-octet = binary (9 - Administrative group (4 octets) ), and for = extended-admin-group as series of those. We are also defining a union to = encompass both as admin-groups below. Do you still have concerns on = this?
 
  typedef admin-groups = {
    type union {
      type = admin-group;
      type = extended-admin-group;
    = }
    description "TE administrative = group derived type";
  }
 
[janl] I'm have two concerns. The first is that I don't know = what the format of the type is. How do I know how to construct one of = these values, or interpret an existing one? Is this a randomly chosen = value? The other concern is how an operator would enter this value. The = binary type is not the most user friendly of types. A numeric = representation in the management interface might make better sense.
[TS]: = RFC3630 and RFC5305 defines admin-groups (aka affinity colors) as binary = flags that are user specified (e.g. bit-position X is for RED, and = bit-position Y is for GREEN). So, binary type would be closest to this = representation. On other hand, RFC7591 states that a binary value is = represented as a JSON string -- base64 encoding (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7951#section-6.6). Let us = know if there are still concerns on = this.

[janl2] The YANG binary type is mostly used for = large binary chunks that an operator would never type, e.g. a 2048-bit = RSA key or a new software image. As I understand, the admin-group type = is used for something an operator might configure or read. If so, I = would suggest changing this type. If this is a 4-octet value, an uint32 = would work nicely, would it not? "2149847551" Or a dotted-quad? = "128.36.17.255" Or maybe you could invent a more human friendly = interface, e.g. a string of zeros and ones with dashes at strategic = positions? "10000000-00100100-00010001-11111111"

If you leave this as type binary, at least don't = expect operators to be able to enter these values with reasonable = effort. The binary type is not meant for this.

I noticed you also modeled the leaf as-number as = type binary. This is probably not a good idea. Suggest using uint16 or = uint32.

    #5: identifier in container with = optional leafs
    = 1496:
      = grouping te-topology-identifier {
    
    The name suggests this is used as an = identifier, but all the leafs are
    optional. This is not typical. They are = also in a container, precluding them
    from being used as list keys. Is that as = intended?
[TS]: this container is not meant to be reused for = a list, rather contains ID(s) that together can be used to lookup a = specific topology that the TE tunnel is using. We can clarify this in = the description
 
[janl] Hmm, ok. Still not sure what happens if you omit some = value(s), but I guess I should wait to see your clarification.
[TS]: we have addressed this by specifying defaults = for the optional = leafs.

[janl2] Nice.
  =   
    #6: Optional -id leafs = again
    = 1700:
          &nb= sp;   leaf node-id {
          &nb= sp;   leaf link-tp-id {
    1768:
          &nb= sp; leaf address {
    = 1783:
          &nb= sp; leaf node-id {
          &nb= sp; leaf link-tp-id {
    
    Leafs that appear to be used as = identifiers are optional
[TS]: such IDs identify = a specific node, link, or address in the network but in our applications = we do not to use them as keys in such lists. For example list = explicit-route-objects defines a separate index leaf to be used as key = -- since, a path may contain the same node-id or address repeated = multiple times (looping path)..  
 
[janl] So what happens if you omit specifying some of = them?
[TS]: = This was reworked and added a mandatory to leafs that are must, and = added defaults to optional = leafs.

[janl2] ok.

    #7: binary length in = bits?    
    1731:
          &nb= sp;    leaf as-number {
          &nb= sp;     type binary {
          &nb= sp;       length 16;
    = 1773:
          &nb= sp; leaf ip-flags {
          &nb= sp;   type binary {
          &nb= sp;     length 8;
    1805:
          &nb= sp;   leaf label-flags {
          &nb= sp;     type binary {
          &nb= sp;       length 8;
    
    It appears to me the modeler might = have thought the length is given in bits.
    The value of length is in bytes, = however.
[TS]: good catch, thanks. We'll correct it to = indicate number of octets as RFC6020 defines.
    
    #8: Must expression copy = paste
    = 1852:
        container = label-end {
          must = "not(../label-end/te-label/direction) or "
          &nb= sp; + "not(te-label/direction) "
          &nb= sp; + "or ../label-end/te-label/direction =3D te-label/direction" = {
    
    This must expression appears to have = been copied from label-start. In any case,
    it always evaluates to true and has no = effect.
[TS]: thanks, we can see the bug in the expression = as is, and this will be fixed/updated.
 
        container = label-end {
          must = "not(../label-start/te-label/direction) or "
          &nb= sp; + "not(te-label/direction) "
          &nb= sp; + "or ../label-start/te-label/direction =3D = te-label/direction" {
 
[janl] This revised must statement is superfluous. The must = statement on container label-start already covers this case.
[TS]: = addressed

[janl2] This may not work as intended anymore. The = must expression is fine in itself, but now the direction leaf has a = default (forward), which means it will always exist with one value or = another. The case that the   not(.... /direction)   = expressions test for will therefore never happen. Only the last part = (direction =3D direction) will be relevant, and I'm not sure that's what = you wanted.

    #9: Unclear bit field
    = 1885:
        leaf range-bitmap = {
    =       type binary;
          = description
          &nb= sp; "When there are gaps between label-start and label-end,
          &nb= sp;  this attribute is used to specify the positions
          &nb= sp;  of the used labels.";
        }
    
    Need more information on how to = interpret this leaf. Which bits map to what,
    and what = does the bit field values 0 and 1 indicate?
[TS]: ]: Each bit-position in the bitmap will map = to an offset from the label-start. For example, if label-start=3D16000 = and bitmap=3D0x11, then labels=3D{16000, 16004} are relevant. We will = clarify this in the next update.
 
[janl] Very good. Since you are using type binary and refer = to the contents using integers, you should also specify how you map = those integer values to bit positions in the binary. E.g. = big-endian?
[TS]: We have clarified this in the description of the leaf = that it is big-endian = representation
<= br class=3D"">
[janl2] Good that you added a description, but = it doesn't make me much wiser, I'm afraid. Even if there is a reference = to RFC7951 (which is only applicable to RESTCONF, btw), the new = description doesn't describe what the values mean (even when encoded = according to 7951s6.6).

Try to = describe the algorithm I, as operator or network automation programmer, = should use to figure out what values to use here. The encoding is also = important, but if this is something operators should enter, the binary = type isn't what you want. If you pick a different type, the encoding = will probably fall out automatically.

Best Regards,
/jan


 
Regards,
Tarek
    #10: Canonical = representation
    = 67:
      = typedef te-bandwidth {
    
    The type is based on a string with a = pattern allowing hex characters and an
    upper or lowercase P. Since the pattern = allows multiple representations of the
    same underlaying value (0x1p10 presumably = means the same as 0x1p0xa and
    0x1P0XA) the question comes up if there is = a canonical representation of this
    value, e.g. using all lowercase and all = hex, or if the string must be
    remembered exactly as given by the client. = The description could answer this
    question.
[TS]: We will update the = description to indicate more strict canonical form (all upper = case).
    
    #11: Mix of upper and = lowercase
    The module = specifies many enumeration and identity values. Some are all
    lowercase. = Some are all uppercase. The principle of least astonishment = suggests
    to pick = one and stick with it. YANG recommendations suggest to use = all
    lowercase = when in doubt.
    
      typedef te-link-direction = {
      = typedef te-label-direction {
      typedef te-hop-type = {
      = identity LSP_METRIC_TYPE {
      identity LSP_METRIC_RELATIVE = {
      = identity LSP_METRIC_ABSOLUTE {
      identity LSP_METRIC_INHERITED = {
[TS]: we will update to all lower-case to align = with YANG recommendations.
 
[janl] Great!
 
/jan

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Why in your opinion one would ever nesd a 128b long TE Router ID? This would be necessary only if TE Router ID is one of the router's global IP addresses. But we seem to agree that TE Router needs to be neither IP address nor be global (just a TE topology unique, and there could be more than one TE topologies any given router could be part of with a separate TE Router ID/ te-node ID). And there are also, of course, abstact TE topologies, where TE Router IDs are meaningless, while te-node IDs are meaningful. My question is can you thInk of a practical use case that requires 128b TE Router ID? Igor I am very happy to always have a 32 bit TE Router ID but the RFC would appear not to allow it. By IPv6 only, I mean no IPv4! i.e. the node has not got a routable IPv4 address. According to RFC5305, s.4.3, TLV134, ' The router ID TLV contains the 4-octet router ID of the router ...' ' it guarantees that we have a single stable address that can always be referenced in a path that will be reachable...' ' If a router implements traffic engineering, it MUST include this TLV in its LSP. ' This seems impossible; there is no reachable IPv4 address so it cannot form TLV134 yet it MUST include a TLV134 which must then be invalid. RFC6119 IPv6 TE does not update this text in RFC5305 and says ' The TE Router ID TLV contains a stable IPv4 address that is routable, regardless of the state of each interface. ' Again, no stable IPv4 address so this TLV should not be sent. RFC6119 adds the possibility of ' The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is TLV type 140. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV contains a 16-octet IPv6 address. A stable global IPv6 address MUST be used ' so the least bad outcome, for a box with IPv6 connectivity but no IPv4 conectivity, would appear to be to omit TLV134 and include TLV140. That is my logic. I am not involved with writing code for this but see this elephant someway down the line and the need to define te-node-id in te-types, and the post that started this thread, seems to make it come closer. Tom Petch Probably is worth noting that In the te-topology modeling design team we have both CSCO and JNPR folks. None of them has ever raised any issues with 32b long te-node IDs AFAIK. Cheers, Igor From:tom petch To:Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate),Igor Bryskin,julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,Tarek Saad (tsaad), Date:2019-01-20 07:07:59 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:39 AM Hi Igor, I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format. No it doesn't. As your extract below shows, the reference is to Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. Go read it, it only defines a 32-bit stable IPv4 address; like the other references, 32 bits rules ok! Where TE might have problems is with a box that is: - TE - IPv6 only, no IPv4 - supports both LSR protocols - wants to follow the advice that the two LSR protocols should use the same identifier so that information can be correlated. OSPF then has Router Address 32-bit, no structure no semantics, the identifier Router IPv6 Address 128-bit in TLV Type 3 while the other LSR protocol has IPv6 TE Router ID 128-bit TLV type 140. so the two identifiers for the two LSR protocols would appear to be irreconcilable. This is a TE issue, not a modelling one; if the TE is in a seemingly impossible situation, then the YANG module too will be in a seemingly impossible situation and it is the TE that needs to be resolved first before the YANG module can be. Tom Petch "typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]."; Cheers Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/orthoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run without routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary segment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discovered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk about reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comformant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE tunnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) with a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation.. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. From nobody Wed Jan 23 07:02:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29726124C04 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:02:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id prssihP6FdX4 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78346130E6D for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 8A3867E38C2BC35F5829 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 15:02:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.208.112.40) by lhreml704-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.45) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 15:02:07 +0000 Received: from SJCEML521-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.96]) by SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.31]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:02:03 -0800 From: Igor Bryskin To: tom petch , "sergio.belotti@nokia.com" , "julien.meuric@orange.com" , "teas@ietf.org" CC: "esther.lerouzic@orange.com" , "ahmed.triki@orange.com" , "tsaad@cisco.com" Thread-Topic: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules Thread-Index: AQHUrLF+MRSI9pFT0EemCcHxg8dUFqW892UQ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 15:02:02 +0000 Message-ID: <0C72C38E7EBC34499E8A9E7DD00786391C6695D5@sjceml521-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <38a2168c-b23d-0324-c058-72ce000a84b4@orange.com> , <216f71fd-6cc0-ce1a-7da8-0adc4b38da98@orange.com> , <005601d4b0b8$a3be0f40$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <033101d4b243$68cb64a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <033101d4b243$68cb64a0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-cr-hashedpuzzle: CYFL Jtey KHDd K2f8 L9AD T+DX di3A lxpy nrpb tIok z2AF 1NcD ABHRlA== ABJ+iA== ABbDwA== ADBJoA==; 7; YQBoAG0AZQBkAC4AdAByAGkAawBpAEAAbwByAGEAbgBnAGUALgBjAG8AbQA7AGUAcwB0AGgAZQByAC4AbABlAHIAbwB1AHoAaQBjAEAAbwByAGEAbgBnAGUALgBjAG8AbQA7AGkAZQB0AGYAYQBAAGIAdABjAG8AbgBuAGUAYwB0AC4AYwBvAG0AOwBqAHUAbABpAGUAbgAuAG0AZQB1AHIAaQBjAEAAbwByAGEAbgBnAGUALgBjAG8AbQA7AHMAZQByAGcAaQBvAC4AYgBlAGwAbwB0AHQAaQBAAG4AbwBrAGkAYQAuAGMAbwBtADsAdABlAGEAcwBAAGkAZQB0AGYALgBvAHIAZwA7AHQAcwBhAGEAZABAAGMAaQBzAGMAbwAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {5CA9D978-3BD4-4FC6-92B1-78CF72495256}; aQBnAG8AcgAuAGIAcgB5AHMAawBpAG4AQABoAHUAYQB3AGUAaQAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:56:58 GMT; UgBFADoAIABbAFQAZQBhAHMAXQAgAFQAeQBwAGUAcwAgAHcAaQB0AGgAaQBuACAAaQBlAHQAZgAtAHQAZQAtAHAAYQB0AGgALQBjAG8AbQBwAHUAdABhAHQAaQBvAG4AIABhAG4AZAAgAGkAZQB0AGYALQB0AGUALQB0AHkAcABlAHMAIABNAG8AZAB1AGwAZQBzAA== x-cr-puzzleid: {5CA9D978-3BD4-4FC6-92B1-78CF72495256} x-originating-ip: [10.47.147.149] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 15:02:16 -0000 Hi Tom, As you know YANG modeling makes no use of TLVs, hence in order to satisfy R= FC5305 we would have to define te_node_id and numbered te_link_id as 128b. = This would significantly increase client-server TE related information flow= (especially TE tunnel EROs/RROs, each of which could potentially contain h= undreds of hops/elements) with no practical justification, which would be a= waste. Furthermore, as mentioned earlier, the TE client-server relationships and i= nformation flows are orthogonal to the TE routing flooding and, strictly sp= eaking, TE YANG model attributes do not need to comply bluntly to TE routin= g RFCs TLVs. For example, a IPv6 only TE routing speaker may still assign a= 32b te-node_id to every 128b TE router ID it has learned via routing befor= e conveying TE topology info to its clients. Igor =20 -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfa@btconnect.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:14 AM To: Igor Bryskin; sergio.belotti@nokia.com; julien.meuric@orange.com; teas@= ietf.org Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com; tsaad@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types= Modules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Bryskin" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:00 PM Hi Tom, Lets consider Ipv6 only network. Why in your opinion one would ever nesd a 128b long TE Router ID? This would be necessary only if TE Router ID is one of the router's global IP addresses. But we seem to agree that TE Router needs to be neither IP address nor be global (just a TE topology unique, and there could be more than one TE topologies any given router could be part of with a separate TE Router ID/ te-node ID). And there are also, of course, abstact TE topologies, where TE Router IDs are meaningless, while te-node IDs are meaningful. My question is can you thInk of a practical use case that requires 128b TE Router ID? Igor I am very happy to always have a 32 bit TE Router ID but the RFC would appear not to allow it. By IPv6 only, I mean no IPv4! i.e. the node has not got a routable IPv4 address. According to RFC5305, s.4.3, TLV134, ' The router ID TLV contains the 4-octet router ID of the router ...' ' it guarantees that we have a single stable address that can always be referenced in a path that will be reachable...' ' If a router implements traffic engineering, it MUST include this TLV in its LSP. ' This seems impossible; there is no reachable IPv4 address so it cannot form TLV134 yet it MUST include a TLV134 which must then be invalid. RFC6119 IPv6 TE does not update this text in RFC5305 and says ' The TE Router ID TLV contains a stable IPv4 address that is routable, regardless of the state of each interface. ' Again, no stable IPv4 address so this TLV should not be sent. RFC6119 adds the possibility of ' The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is TLV type 140. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV contains a 16-octet IPv6 address. A stable global IPv6 address MUST be used ' so the least bad outcome, for a box with IPv6 connectivity but no IPv4 conectivity, would appear to be to omit TLV134 and include TLV140. That is my logic. I am not involved with writing code for this but see this elephant someway down the line and the need to define te-node-id in te-types, and the post that started this thread, seems to make it come closer. Tom Petch Probably is worth noting that In the te-topology modeling design team we have both CSCO and JNPR folks. None of them has ever raised any issues with 32b long te-node IDs AFAIK. Cheers, Igor From:tom petch To:Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate),Igor Bryskin,julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,Tarek Saad (tsaad), Date:2019-01-20 07:07:59 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:39 AM Hi Igor, I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format. No it doesn't. As your extract below shows, the reference is to Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. Go read it, it only defines a 32-bit stable IPv4 address; like the other references, 32 bits rules ok! Where TE might have problems is with a box that is: - TE - IPv6 only, no IPv4 - supports both LSR protocols - wants to follow the advice that the two LSR protocols should use the same identifier so that information can be correlated. OSPF then has Router Address 32-bit, no structure no semantics, the identifier Router IPv6 Address 128-bit in TLV Type 3 while the other LSR protocol has IPv6 TE Router ID 128-bit TLV type 140. so the two identifiers for the two LSR protocols would appear to be irreconcilable. This is a TE issue, not a modelling one; if the TE is in a seemingly impossible situation, then the YANG module too will be in a seemingly impossible situation and it is the TE that needs to be resolved first before the YANG module can be. Tom Petch "typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]."; Cheers Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/orthoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run without routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary segment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discovered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk about reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comformant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE tunnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) with a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation.. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: cf8853ed-96e5-465b-9185-806bfe185e30 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB7PR07MB4475 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:48:31 -0000 ---- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Bryskin" Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 3:02 PM Hi Tom, As you know YANG modeling makes no use of TLVs, hence in order to satisfy RFC5305 we would have to define te_node_id and numbered te_link_id as 128b. This would significantly increase client-server TE related information flow (especially TE tunnel EROs/RROs, each of which could potentially contain hundreds of hops/elements) with no practical justification, which would be a waste. Furthermore, as mentioned earlier, the TE client-server relationships and information flows are orthogonal to the TE routing flooding and, strictly speaking, TE YANG model attributes do not need to comply bluntly to TE routing RFCs TLVs. For example, a IPv6 only TE routing speaker may still assign a 32b te-node_id to every 128b TE router ID it has learned via routing before conveying TE topology info to its clients. Igor, mmm I think I understand, so if others are happy with the current wording, then it works for me. The interesting part lies in the future, since te-types is a module to be imported and used by others and it will be interesting to see if those users expect to be able to use a 128bit type as well as a 32bit one; time will tell. Tom Petch Igor -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfa@btconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:14 AM To: Igor Bryskin; sergio.belotti@nokia.com; julien.meuric@orange.com; teas@ietf.org Cc: esther.lerouzic@orange.com; ahmed.triki@orange.com; tsaad@cisco.com Subject: Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Bryskin" Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:00 PM Hi Tom, Lets consider Ipv6 only network. Why in your opinion one would ever nesd a 128b long TE Router ID? This would be necessary only if TE Router ID is one of the router's global IP addresses. But we seem to agree that TE Router needs to be neither IP address nor be global (just a TE topology unique, and there could be more than one TE topologies any given router could be part of with a separate TE Router ID/ te-node ID). And there are also, of course, abstact TE topologies, where TE Router IDs are meaningless, while te-node IDs are meaningful. My question is can you thInk of a practical use case that requires 128b TE Router ID? Igor I am very happy to always have a 32 bit TE Router ID but the RFC would appear not to allow it. By IPv6 only, I mean no IPv4! i.e. the node has not got a routable IPv4 address. According to RFC5305, s.4.3, TLV134, ' The router ID TLV contains the 4-octet router ID of the router ...' ' it guarantees that we have a single stable address that can always be referenced in a path that will be reachable...' ' If a router implements traffic engineering, it MUST include this TLV in its LSP. ' This seems impossible; there is no reachable IPv4 address so it cannot form TLV134 yet it MUST include a TLV134 which must then be invalid. RFC6119 IPv6 TE does not update this text in RFC5305 and says ' The TE Router ID TLV contains a stable IPv4 address that is routable, regardless of the state of each interface. ' Again, no stable IPv4 address so this TLV should not be sent. RFC6119 adds the possibility of ' The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is TLV type 140. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV contains a 16-octet IPv6 address. A stable global IPv6 address MUST be used ' so the least bad outcome, for a box with IPv6 connectivity but no IPv4 conectivity, would appear to be to omit TLV134 and include TLV140. That is my logic. I am not involved with writing code for this but see this elephant someway down the line and the need to define te-node-id in te-types, and the post that started this thread, seems to make it come closer. Tom Petch Probably is worth noting that In the te-topology modeling design team we have both CSCO and JNPR folks. None of them has ever raised any issues with 32b long te-node IDs AFAIK. Cheers, Igor From:tom petch To:Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate),Igor Bryskin,julien.meuric@orange.com,teas@ietf.org, Cc:esther.lerouzic@orange.com,ahmed.triki@orange.com,Tarek Saad (tsaad), Date:2019-01-20 07:07:59 Subject:Re: [Teas] Types within ietf-te-path-computation and ietf-te-types Modules ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belotti, Sergio (Nokia - IT/Vimercate)" Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:39 AM Hi Igor, I think Julien is not arguing about the need or not to have a routable address but on the fact that ,at the moment, te-types in the description of te-node-id mention RFC 6119 that means a 128-bit format. No it doesn't. As your extract below shows, the reference is to Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. Go read it, it only defines a 32-bit stable IPv4 address; like the other references, 32 bits rules ok! Where TE might have problems is with a box that is: - TE - IPv6 only, no IPv4 - supports both LSR protocols - wants to follow the advice that the two LSR protocols should use the same identifier so that information can be correlated. OSPF then has Router Address 32-bit, no structure no semantics, the identifier Router IPv6 Address 128-bit in TLV Type 3 while the other LSR protocol has IPv6 TE Router ID 128-bit TLV type 140. so the two identifiers for the two LSR protocols would appear to be irreconcilable. This is a TE issue, not a modelling one; if the TE is in a seemingly impossible situation, then the YANG module too will be in a seemingly impossible situation and it is the TE that needs to be resolved first before the YANG module can be. Tom Petch "typedef te-node-id { type yang:dotted-quad; description "A type representing the identifier for a node in a TE topology. The identifier is represented as 32-bit unsigned integer in the dotted-quad notation. This attribute MAY be mapped to the Router Address described in Section 2.4.1 of [RFC3630], the TE Router ID described in Section 3 of [RFC6827], the Traffic Engineering Router ID described in Section 4.3 of [RFC5305], or the TE Router ID described in Section 3.2.1 of [RFC6119]. The reachability of such a TE node MAY be achieved by a mechanism such as Section 6.2 of [RFC6827]."; Cheers Sergio From: Teas On Behalf Of Igor Bryskin Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:56 PM Hi Julien, To your A2.1: te-node-id (a property of a te topology node) is conceptually different/orthoganal from TE-router-id ( a property of a TE enabled routing protocol speaker). There are many reasons to this, to name a couple: 1. Tthere could be TE networks (especially in cs layers) that are run without routing protocols; 2. TE topology could be abstract with a te-node representing an arbitrary segment of the underlay network. TE routing is just one way (albeit important) a te topology could be discovered/managed and the RFCs you mentioned are as important for te topologies as,say, RSVP RFCs are important for te tunnels, i.e. we can onlly talk about reference points and convenience of implementaion of popular use cases, but not something that needs to be comformant to universally. To your B1.1: Tunnel termination point normally represents a physical device where a TE tunnel is terminated, its clients are adoptrd, etc. (e.g. WDM transponder) with a certain phyisical address, which may or may not fit in 64, 128, etc. bit, hence the type is defined as binary. On the other hand, link termination point (or tp per I2RS topology model) is a numbered or unnumbered identifier of a link terminated on a node. There is no need for sharing types between the two because they are totally unrelated. Cheers, Igor From:Julien Meuric Date:2019-01-16 04:49:41 Hi Igor, A.1. I'm glad we agree on using the "te-node-id" type in both places. A.2. I am not questioning the fact that an ID does not need to be a routable address; I am just saying that there are (Standard Track) RFCs that defines 128-bit TE Router IDs (e.g., RFC 6119 section 4.1, as mentioned below) and the definition of "te-node-id" imported from "te-types" cannot overlook that (this could be another thread directed to the authors of ietf-te-types). B.1. I agree that a tunnel TP is different from a link TP; I do not suggest to use the same name on these leaves. However, both should point to the "te-tp-id" space (instead of binary). If you believe there are some missing encodings in "te-tp-id", what are they? B.2. It is fine to have 2 different types such as "te-node-id" and "te-tp-id" (as within the RO part in the tree below), we are in sync on that. Cheers, Julien On 15/01/2019 15:12, Igor Bryskin wrote: > Hi Julien, > > Two more comments from me and Italo: > 1.To align src/dst type with the node-id type is a good > idea; > 2. As widely discussed, TE node id, generally speaking, is not > (pingable) IP address, nor it is a routing protocol router ID , just > a number that identifys node uniquely in the TE topology the node > belongs to, hence uint32 is sufficient. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Igor Bryskin > *Date:*2019-01-15 07:27:22 > > Hi Julien, > > 2 comments: > 1.src (dst)-tp-id below means src/dst tunnel termination point, which > is different from flink-tp-id below, which menas link termination > point, i.e. place where a numbered/unnumbered link is terminated on a > node; > 2. We discussed a lot and believe that node-id sub-object should be > different from numbered link-id sub-object ( as per current RSVP and > PCEP) because there are use cases where one needs to distinguish node > from link in ERO without necessarily looking into topology infotmation.. > > Cheers, > Igor > *From:*Julien Meuric > *Date:*2019-01-15 04:05:43 > > Hi all, > > A colleague of mine has started to implement some pieces of the > ietf-te-path-computation Yang module. He has already bumped into a > couple of inconsistencies that are worth sharing. > > In this module, we have: > > +---- path-request* [request-id] > | +---- ... > | +---- source? inet:ip-address > | +---- destination? inet:ip-address > | +---- src-tp-id? binary > | +---- dst-tp-id? binary > | +---- ... > | +---- explicit-route-objects > | | +---- route-object-exclude-always* [index] > | | | +---- index uint32 > | | | +---- (type)? > | | | +--:(num-unnum-hop) > | | | | +---- num-unnum-hop > | | | | +---- node-id? te-types:te-node-id > | | | | +---- link-tp-id? te-types:te-tp-id > | | | | +---- ... > > In the above, the types associated to source/destination and x-tp-id are > different between the request level and the RO level. This leads us to 2 > fixes to consider on this document: > - src-tp-id/dst-tp-id should mimic link-tp-id and reuse te-tp-id instead > of binary; > - source/destination and node-id should share a common type (any reason > they would not?). > > What is more, te-node-id is currently defined in ietf-te-types as 32-bit > only, whereas the references it mentions include 128-bit format; e.g. > RFC 6119 (section 3.2.1.) says: "it is useful to have a stable IPv6 > address identifying a TE node. The IPv6 TE Router ID TLV is defined in > Section 4.1." > Fixing te-types:te-node-id is a prerequisite to fully solve the 2nd > issue above. > > Thanks, > > Julien, et al. 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The objectives and membership of the design team are listed below. We=E2=80=99d like to thank all those = who volunteered to join the team, and recognize Adrian Farrel who has agreed to serve as Team Lead. Not all who volunteered were included in the team - and we=E2=80=99d like to especially thank these individuals. All will be ab= le to participate in this work once we have a WG document on the topic and, as always, the document progresses through normal WG processing. We do note that the objective of the DT is to produce a draft 3272bis and there is no requirement for the authorship to be limited to or include all DT members, and as usual, we expect a WG document to reflect actual contribution to the work. The DT is expected to work on its own using whatever methods best suit its members. The DT will use an IETF mailing list that will include the team members listed below plus the WG chairs, and will be archived and openly readable. -- TEAS 3272bis Design Team Over the many years since RFC 3272 was published, the use of Traffic Engineering (TE) technologies and concepts within the Internet has become commonplace, and the mechanisms have developed and broadened. Recent discussion of the term "TE" in a number of Working Groups (chiefly in the Routing Area) has indicated that RFC 3272 is somewhat out-of-date as a base reference. This Design Team=E2=80=99s objective to update RFC 3272 by making a full revision (draft-dt-teas-rfc3272bis) that strengthens existing definitions, introduces new definitions where needed, brings the work up-to-date with current best practices, and includes (via appropriate references) the latest and on-going work in the IETF. The DT will provide regular updates and reports to the TEAS working group. It will present an update on their status and plans at IETF 104 (Prague) and an initial DT draft in time for discussion at IETF 105 (Montreal). Once the draft is accepted as a working group document, it will progress per TEAS working group normal process. The DT mailing list is being set up, and will be: rfc3272bis-dt@ietf.org The team members are: Acee Lindem Adrian Farrel (Team Lead) Aijun Wang Daniele Ceccarelli Dieter Beller Jeff Tantsura Julien Meuric Liu Hua Loa Andersson Luis Miguel Contreras Martin Horneffer Tarek Saad Xufeng Liu -- Thank you, Pavan and Lou TEAS WG Chairs --0000000000004b727f05804a4784 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WG,


We have formed the TEAS 3272bis Design Team.=C2=A0 The objective= s and membership of the design team are listed below.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99d li= ke to thank all those who volunteered to join the team, and recognize Adria= n Farrel who has agreed to serve as Team Lead.=C2=A0 Not all who volunteere= d were included in the team - and we=E2=80=99d like to especially thank the= se individuals. All will be able to participate in this work once we have = a WG document on the topic and, as always, the document progresses through = normal WG processing.=C2=A0 We do note that the objective of the DT is to p= roduce a draft 3272bis and there is no requirement for the authorship to be= limited to or include all DT members, and as usual, we expect a WG documen= t to reflect actual contribution to the work.


The DT is expected to wor= k on its own using whatever methods best suit its members. The DT will use = an IETF mailing list that will include the team members listed below plus t= he WG chairs, and will be archived and openly readable.


--

TEAS 327= 2bis Design Team


Over the many years since RFC 3272 was published, the use of= Traffic

Engineering (TE) technologies and concepts within the Internet has=

become commonplace, and the mechanisms have developed and

broadened. Recen= t discussion of the term "TE" in a number of Working

Groups (chie= fly in the Routing Area) has indicated that RFC 3272 is

somewhat out-of-dat= e as a base reference.


This Design Team=E2=80=99s objective to update R= FC 3272 by making a full

revision (draft-dt-teas-rfc3272bis) that strengthe= ns existing

definitions, introduces new definitions where needed, brings th= e work

up-to-date with current best practices, and includes (via appropriat= e

references) the latest and on-going work in the IETF.


The DT will pro= vide regular updates and reports to the TEAS

working group.=C2=A0 It will p= resent an update on their status and plans at IETF 104

(Prague) and an init= ial DT draft in time for discussion at IETF 105

(Montreal). Once the draft = is accepted as a working group document, it

will progress per TEAS working= group normal process.


The DT mailing list is being set up, and will be= : rfc3272bis-dt@ietf.org

The te= am members are:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>

=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> (Team Lead)<= /p>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>

= =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>

= =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0Dieter Beller <diete= r.beller@nokia.com>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Jeff Tantsur= a <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Liu Hua <hliu@c= iena.com>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>

=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0Luis Miguel Contreras <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Martin Horneffer <Martin.Horneffer@telekom.de>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Tarek Saad <tsaa= d@cisco.com>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com><= /span>

= --
Thank you,

Pavan and Lou

TEAS WG Chairs

--0000000000004b727f05804a4784-- From nobody Fri Jan 25 08:03:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857DB130EBF; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:03:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fUgW92Cx9E7G; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl1-x62c.google.com (mail-pl1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9467130EB1; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id b5so4753260plr.4; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:03:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=02edbNK/hIIh3qeTe8yYax3j6n8w86vqp+0eavQMYJY=; b=KV/V0teTnorz13clpcYmUZdrFVjnBiLmoHuf/UbhYyQFfT7Gn5dshG1D3bV2wORmNP OBRhoMJWfp4mi/3k+3rrLOALNQGTH670wS6EWGSp4zyz3lbu8rsT9Xf+QegRMnfVOCNf XheDgVLjDbnm6nGRXB6TK7/bq3+NGtritdogFQZ1FEAONH7ffQmrltDgH8ywPtNNe32K XFNmi1gYEFyM7XvntaXTF8gzCTUW1e0nph0tqfkgopSBIWoQrkx6Yh8dg0RVt8hhm4+W QNbOHu860BxIlInPZeEQPxTMZuoGqgxBY1sXPRk6JVw7TRbH8kRNbzWE2AePgQz56twx 8aOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=02edbNK/hIIh3qeTe8yYax3j6n8w86vqp+0eavQMYJY=; b=XwNuc7uOiWpry85gdfrzYNJsPjV3PSTScs3Wku5o6fawCZOBW0ZrmFZehhWxeMYavZ EEFvg+aW3bsOXKnKPiQHo7wV2JGKtPgUZr246IwEKXPak292EBRr81TdiI2NOlEkW1d4 qpxfqekfS2hJV2AF6ba+S1VsvJF2T8rMWsWkVWwvMG6Tc7sqwId+u37zTOd88h1kNUHd RguYdGL4keHxTQWWrXYghZGEFJOwodnpJ1EJG4JIQN+Z7T1ae0dc5BOuA6+gnrts9QVN 08pryMN37aIcB5tWAEro+x+xCFVQRsaHDjnFPovmPVcbEclsZ4bk/5wmnEFS6LKwB79f bQqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukfztP+AFiMvWJsWW20eljaRohfb44iPHo2BZkgOT8Du71ve68Rk /+mM28mDjeehnvSkvE29Iix0FXMgHc1nUZdRI8OQpfiTeyY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN6/SVNkCdzOigV9PTgDgsooCLrgFyaub5apRKgln1zjXhZ8jcOruwETnIKdj4yNpRvVFwcHe/YsANdHrYfDbG0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:6b09:: with SMTP id o9mr11518762plk.208.1548432216928; Fri, 25 Jan 2019 08:03:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 11:03:26 -0500 Message-ID: To: TEAS WG Cc: TEAS WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003fb7d405804a78ac" Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] RFC3272bis -- Design Team X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 16:03:41 -0000 --0000000000003fb7d405804a78ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ** Resending (the formatting in the previous email was messed up) WG, We have formed the TEAS 3272bis Design Team. The objectives and membership of the design team are listed below. We=E2=80=99d like to thank all those = who volunteered to join the team, and recognize Adrian Farrel who has agreed to serve as Team Lead. Not all who volunteered were included in the team - and we=E2=80=99d like to especially thank these individuals. All will be a= ble to participate in this work once we have a WG document on the topic and, as always, the document progresses through normal WG processing. We do note that the objective of the DT is to produce a draft 3272bis and there is no requirement for the authorship to be limited to or include all DT members, and as usual, we expect a WG document to reflect actual contribution to the work. The DT is expected to work on its own using whatever methods best suit its members. The DT will use an IETF mailing list that will include the team members listed below plus the WG chairs, and will be archived and openly readable. -- TEAS 3272bis Design Team Over the many years since RFC 3272 was published, the use of Traffic Engineering (TE) technologies and concepts within the Internet has become commonplace, and the mechanisms have developed and broadened. Recent discussion of the term "TE" in a number of Working Groups (chiefly in the Routing Area) has indicated that RFC 3272 is somewhat out-of-date as a base reference. This Design Team=E2=80=99s objective to update RFC 3272 by making a full re= vision (draft-dt-teas-rfc3272bis) that strengthens existing definitions, introduces new definitions where needed, brings the work up-to-date with current best practices, and includes (via appropriate references) the latest and on-going work in the IETF. The DT will provide regular updates and reports to the TEAS working group. It will present an update on their status and plans at IETF 104 (Prague) and an initial DT draft in time for discussion at IETF 105 (Montreal). Once the draft is accepted as a working group document, it will progress per TEAS working group normal process. The DT mailing list is being set up, and will be: rfc3272bis-dt@ietf.org The team members are: Acee Lindem Adrian Farrel (Team Lead) Aijun Wang Daniele Ceccarelli Dieter Beller Jeff Tantsura Julien Meuric Liu Hua Loa Andersson Luis Miguel Contreras Martin Horneffer Tarek Saad Xufeng Liu -- Thank you, Pavan and Lou --0000000000003fb7d405804a78ac Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
** Resending (the format= ting in the previous email was messed up)

<= div dir=3D"ltr">WG,=E2=80=A8

We have formed the TEAS 3272bis Design Team.=C2=A0 The objectives and me= mbership of the design team are listed below.=C2=A0 We=E2=80=99d like to th= ank all those who volunteered to join the team, and recognize Adrian Farrel= who has agreed to serve as Team Lead.=C2=A0 Not all who volunteered were i= ncluded in the team - and we=E2=80=99d like to especially thank these indiv= iduals.=C2=A0 All will be able to participate in this work once we have a W= G document on the topic and, as always, the document progresses through nor= mal WG processing.=C2=A0 We do note that the objective of the DT is to prod= uce a draft 3272bis and there is no requirement for the authorship to be li= mited to or include all DT members, and as usual, we expect a WG document t= o reflect actual contribution to the work.

The DT is expected to wor= k on its own using whatever methods best suit its members. The DT will use = an IETF mailing list that will include the team members listed below plus t= he WG chairs, and will be archived and openly readable.=E2=80=A8
--
T= EAS 3272bis Design Team

Over the many years since RFC 3272 was publi= shed, the use of Traffic Engineering (TE) technologies and concepts within = the Internet has become commonplace, and the mechanisms have developed and = broadened. Recent discussion of the term "TE" in a number of Work= ing Groups (chiefly in the Routing Area) has indicated that RFC 3272 is som= ewhat out-of-date as a base reference.

This Design Team=E2=80=99s ob= jective to update RFC 3272 by making a full revision (draft-dt-teas-rfc3272= bis) that strengthens existing definitions, introduces new definitions wher= e needed, brings the work up-to-date with current best practices, and inclu= des (via appropriate references) the latest and on-going work in the IETF.<= br>
The DT will provide regular updates and reports to the TEAS working = group.=C2=A0 It will present an update on their status and plans at IETF 10= 4 (Prague) and an initial DT draft in time for discussion at IETF 105 (Mont= real). Once the draft is accepted as a working group document, it will prog= ress per TEAS working group normal process.

The DT mailing list is b= eing set up, and will be: rfc3272= bis-dt@ietf.org

=E2=80= =A8The team members are:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.c= o.uk> (Team Lead)
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Dieter Beller <dieter.beller@nokia.com>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Jeff Tantsura &= lt;jefftant.ietf@gmail.com&g= t;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Julien Meuric <julien.meuric@orange.com>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0Liu Hua <hliu@ciena.com>
= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Loa Andersson <loa@= pi.nu>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Luis Miguel Contreras <luismiguel.contreras= murillo@telefonica.com>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Martin Horneffer = <Martin.Horneffer@telekom= .de>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Tarek Saad <tsaad@cisco.com>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Xufeng Liu= <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com= >

--
Thank you,
Pavan and Lou
--0000000000003fb7d405804a78ac-- From nobody Wed Jan 30 20:08:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62471277BB; Wed, 30 Jan 2019 20:08:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.90.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teas@ietf.org Message-ID: <154890773171.10480.9659603270862516393@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 20:08:51 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-04.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 04:08:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Igor Bryskin Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-04.txt Pages : 86 Date : 2019-01-30 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types and groupings in YANG data modeling language. These derived common types and groupings are intended to be imported by modules that model Traffic Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Igor Bryskin Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-05.txt Pages : 86 Date : 2019-01-31 Abstract: This document defines a collection of common data types and groupings in YANG data modeling language. These derived common types and groupings are intended to be imported by modules that model Traffic Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. 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