From nobody Wed May 1 14:14:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FEF120021; Wed, 1 May 2019 14:14:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.237 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.237 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.363, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1aOWgnDJiGmq; Wed, 1 May 2019 14:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7BBD120094; Wed, 1 May 2019 14:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0048589.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0048589.ppops.net-00191d01. (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x41LCpra026226; Wed, 1 May 2019 17:14:20 -0400 Received: from alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (sbcsmtp7.sbc.com [144.160.229.24]) by m0048589.ppops.net-00191d01. with ESMTP id 2s7k638176-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 01 May 2019 17:14:19 -0400 Received: from enaf.aldc.att.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x41LEI2k017637; Wed, 1 May 2019 17:14:18 -0400 Received: from zlp27130.vci.att.com (zlp27130.vci.att.com [135.66.87.38]) by alpi155.enaf.aldc.att.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x41LECTf017536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 1 May 2019 17:14:12 -0400 Received: from zlp27130.vci.att.com (zlp27130.vci.att.com [127.0.0.1]) by zlp27130.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTP id 74DC1400AF90; Wed, 1 May 2019 21:14:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MISOUT7MSGHUBAA.ITServices.sbc.com (unknown [130.9.129.145]) by zlp27130.vci.att.com (Service) with ESMTPS id 3E96B40006BE; Wed, 1 May 2019 21:14:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MISOUT7MSGUSRDE.ITServices.sbc.com ([169.254.5.184]) by MISOUT7MSGHUBAA.ITServices.sbc.com ([130.9.129.145]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Wed, 1 May 2019 17:14:12 -0400 From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" To: "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org" CC: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: AD review: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types Thread-Index: AdUAYTJAbDOpeZpAQZy6V7gp15KFTg== Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 21:14:11 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.70.192.99] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C89F01BDA4MISOUT7MSGUSRDE_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-05-01_09:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_policy_notspam policy=outbound_policy score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=424 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1905010130 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] AD review: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 21:14:22 -0000 --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C89F01BDA4MISOUT7MSGUSRDE_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Authors, I was just getting ready to start Last Call so as to have both this documen= t and te-topo go together. Scanning the document, I noted the Security sect= ion is not sufficient. It needs to use the template of RFC8407 Guidelines f= or YANG Documents. Refer to draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo. As soon as you update, I'll start Last Call. Thanks- Deborah --_000_F64C10EAA68C8044B33656FA214632C89F01BDA4MISOUT7MSGUSRDE_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Authors,

 

I was just getting ready to start Last Call so as to= have both this document and te-topo go together. Scanning the document, I = noted the Security section is not sufficient. It needs to use the template = of RFC8407 Guidelines for YANG Documents. Refer to draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo.

 

As soon as you update, I’ll start Last Call.

 

Thanks-

Deborah

 

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This I-D document only defines reusable groupings a= nd common types (i.e. it does not define any writable, readable schema or r= pc operations); hence, we=92ve only included a summary indicating this in t= he security considerations section =96 similar to what=92s in RFC6991. The guideline(s) in RFC8407 are specific to module(s) that are introducing = the writable schema and hence can introduce certain risk(s). Please let us know if you still think what we have in the security section = is not enough and we=92ll try to update accordingly. Regards, Tarek From: Teas on behalf of "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 5:14 PM To: "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org" Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" Subject: [Teas] AD review: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types Hi Authors, I was just getting ready to start Last Call so as to have both this documen= t and te-topo go together. Scanning the document, I noted the Security sect= ion is not sufficient. It needs to use the template of RFC8407 Guidelines f= or YANG Documents. Refer to draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo. As soon as you update, I=92ll start Last Call. Thanks- Deborah --_000_BN8PR06MB6289084A47C98F861C0FC2C1FC3B0BN8PR06MB6289namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Deborah,

 

Thanks for your review. This I-D document only defin= es reusable groupings and common types (i.e. it does not define any writabl= e, readable schema or rpc operations); hence, we=92ve only included a summa= ry indicating this in the security considerations section =96 similar to what=92s in RFC6991.

The guideline(s) in RFC8407 are specific to module(s= ) that are introducing the writable schema and hence can introduce certain = risk(s).

Please let us know if you still think what we have i= n the security section is not enough and we=92ll try to update accordingly.=

 

Regards,

Tarek

 

From: Teas <teas-bounc= es@ietf.org> on behalf of "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" <db3546@att= .com>
Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 5:14 PM
To: "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org" <draft-iet= f-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org>
Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" <teas-chairs@ietf.org>, &= quot;teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>
Subject: [Teas] AD review: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types<= /span>

 

Hi Authors,

 

I was just getting ready = to start Last Call so as to have both this document and te-topo go together= . Scanning the document, I noted the Security section is not sufficient. It= needs to use the template of RFC8407 Guidelines for YANG Documents. Refer to draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo.=

 

As soon as you update, I= =92ll start Last Call.

 

Thanks-

Deborah

 

 

--_000_BN8PR06MB6289084A47C98F861C0FC2C1FC3B0BN8PR06MB6289namp_-- From nobody Wed May 1 16:08:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5B2120151; Wed, 1 May 2019 16:08:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: CC: db3546@att.com, teas-chairs@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo@ietf.org, Lou Berger , lberger@labn.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <155675208814.1010.15751677448299571347.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 16:08:08 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Last Call: (YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 23:08:08 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG (teas) to consider the following document: - 'YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-05-15. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document defines a YANG data model for representing, retrieving and manipulating Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies. The model serves as a base model that other technology specific TE Topology models can augment. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. The document contains these normative downward references. See RFC 3967 for additional information: rfc5212: Requirements for GMPLS-Based Multi-Region and Multi-Layer Networks (MRN/MLN) (Informational - IETF stream) Note: This document was approved by the IESG in June, 2018 and with the RFC-Editor. The working group requested to pull the document for a technical change to align with draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types. 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And add the sentence you = have below regarding the modules if the remainder is not. Deborah Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2019, at 6:42 PM, Tarek Saad > wrote: Hi Deborah, Thanks for your review. This I-D document only defines reusable groupings a= nd common types (i.e. it does not define any writable, readable schema or r= pc operations); hence, we=92ve only included a summary indicating this in t= he security considerations section =96 similar to what=92s in RFC6991. The guideline(s) in RFC8407 are specific to module(s) that are introducing = the writable schema and hence can introduce certain risk(s). Please let us know if you still think what we have in the security section = is not enough and we=92ll try to update accordingly. Regards, Tarek From: Teas > on behalf = of "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" > Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 5:14 PM To: "draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org" > Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.org" >, "teas@ietf.org" > Subject: [Teas] AD review: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types Hi Authors, I was just getting ready to start Last Call so as to have both this documen= t and te-topo go together. Scanning the document, I noted the Security sect= ion is not sufficient. It needs to use the template of RFC8407 Guidelines f= or YANG Documents. Refer to draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo. As soon as you update, I=92ll start Last Call. Thanks- Deborah --_000_25BB01EB773149E59E37AE41277BE9A0attcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tarek,

All current documents being processed need to use the template i.e. th= e first two paragraphs of the template are applicable. And add the sentence= you have below regarding the modules if the remainder is not.

Deborah

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2019, at 6:42 PM, Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Deborah,

 

Thanks for your review. This I-D document only defin= es reusable groupings and common types (i.e. it does not define any writabl= e, readable schema or rpc operations); hence, we=92ve only included a summa= ry indicating this in the security considerations section =96 similar to what=92s in RFC6991.

The guideline(s) in RFC8407 are specific to module(s= ) that are introducing the writable schema and hence can introduce certain = risk(s).

Please let us know if you still think what we have i= n the security section is not enough and we=92ll try to update accordingly.=

 

Regards,

Tarek

 

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of &= quot;BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" <db3546= @att.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 at 5:14 PM
To: "= draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org<= /a>>
Cc: "teas-chairs@ietf.o= rg" <teas-chairs@ietf.o= rg>, "teas@ietf.org" = <teas@ietf.org>
Subject: [Teas] AD review: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types<= /span>

 

Hi Authors,

 

I was just getting ready = to start Last Call so as to have both this document and te-topo go together= . Scanning the document, I noted the Security section is not sufficient. It= needs to use the template of RFC8407 Guidelines for YANG Documents. Refer to draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo.=

 

As soon as you update, I= =92ll start Last Call.

 

Thanks-

Deborah

 

 

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Message-ID: To: Russ Housley Cc: gen-art@ietf.org, ietf , TEAS WG , draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a3a11b0587ed29a6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-20 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 20:06:05 -0000 --000000000000a3a11b0587ed29a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Russ, Thanks for checking on this document. Regarding the Security Considerations section, there is a recent update to the guidelines https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines. [RFC5246] has been obsoleted by [RFC8446], and [RFC6536] has been obsoleted by [RFC8341]. Therefore, this document has been updated with [RFC8446] and [RFC8341] instead, according to the updated guidelines. Please let us know if this is correct. Thanks, - Xufeng On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:43 AM Russ Housley via Datatracker < noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > Reviewer: Russ Housley > Review result: Not Ready > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. > > For more information, please see the FAQ at > . > > Document: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-20 > Reviewer: Russ Housley > Review Date: 2019-05-02 > IETF LC End Date: 2019-05-15 > IESG Telechat date: Unknown > > Summary: Not Ready > > Major Concerns: > > See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines. The > Security Considerations section MUST follow the template provided on > that web page, and the guidelines require normative references to > [RFC5246] and [RFC6536], among others. These two RFCs do not appear > in the references. > > > Minor Concerns: > > None > > > Nits: > > The TOC contains several lines where the heading goes past the column > of page numbers. Reformatting would make this much easier to read. > > --000000000000a3a11b0587ed29a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Russ,

Thanks for checking on thi= s document.

Regarding the Security Considerati= ons section, there is a recent update to the guidelines https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guideline= s. [RFC5246] has been obsoleted by [RFC8446],=C2=A0 and [RFC6536] has b= een obsoleted by [RFC8341]. Therefore, this document has been updated with = [RFC8446] and [RFC8341] instead, according to the updated guidelines.
=

Please let us know if this is correct.

Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:= 43 AM Russ Housley via Datatracker <= noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
Reviewer: Russ Housley
Review result: Not Ready

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed
by the IESG for the IETF Chair.=C2=A0 Please treat these comments just
like any other last call comments.

For more information, please see the FAQ at
<http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/= wiki/GenArtfaq>.

Document: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-20
Reviewer: Russ Housley
Review Date: 2019-05-02
IETF LC End Date: 2019-05-15
IESG Telechat date: Unknown

Summary: Not Ready

Major Concerns:

See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/= yang-security-guidelines.=C2=A0 The
Security Considerations section MUST follow the template provided on
that web page, and the guidelines require normative references to
[RFC5246] and [RFC6536], among others. These two RFCs do not appear
in the references.


Minor Concerns:

None


Nits:

The TOC contains several lines where the heading goes past the column
of page numbers.=C2=A0 Reformatting would make this much easier to read.
--000000000000a3a11b0587ed29a6-- From nobody Thu May 2 13:47:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E7D1204E0; Thu, 2 May 2019 13:47:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: CC: db3546@att.com, teas-chairs@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, Lou Berger , draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org, lberger@labn.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <155683002335.24918.14137794782361366345.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 13:47:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Last Call: (Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 20:47:04 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG (teas) to consider the following document: - 'Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-05-16. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document defines a collection of common data types and groupings in YANG data modeling language. These derived common types and groupings are intended to be imported by modules that model Traffic Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Fri May 3 17:10:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F061202E5; Fri, 3 May 2019 17:10:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ebben Aries via Datatracker To: Cc: ietf@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Ebben Aries Message-ID: <155692863223.7173.7717533907709205656@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 03 May 2019 17:10:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-10 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 May 2019 00:10:32 -0000 Reviewer: Ebben Aries Review result: On the Right Track 2 modules in this draft: - ietf-rsvp@2019-02-18.yang - ietf-rsvp-extended@2019-02-18.yang No YANG compiler errors or warnings (pyang 2.0, yanglint 1.1.16, confdc 6.6.1) Module ietf-rsvp@2019-02-18.yang: - Remove WG Chairs from contact information per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#appendix-B - Use of 'state' containers. It is stated in Section 2.3 that 'Derived state data is contained under a "state" container...'. My only comments here are: a) Should use caution when using 'state' containers in NMDA compliant modules. Rob put together a nice doc here that I won't reiterate: https://github.com/netmod-wg/FAQ/wiki/NMDA-Modelling-FAQ Using such nomenclature locks you into r/o nodes only. b) In some cases, the hierarchy is a bit redundant (statistics/state). Other NMDA compliant modules will not introduce another 'state' hierarchy for instance (see ietf-interfaces) - leaf 'packet-len' is abbreviated while most other leafs are not - authentication-key is of type string. Is this leaf mean to be clear-text? There is nothing associated with this type that would imply special treatment in handling. - crypto-algorithm: Are all identities from ietf-key-chain supported? - Pluralization on counters: e.g. 'in-error' vs. 'in-errors'. Maintain consistency with other modules (see ietf-interfaces) - Normative references are missing for some of the modules imported. These must be added per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9 Module ietf-rsvp-extended@2019-02-18.yang: - Remove WG Chairs from contact information per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#appendix-B - Use of 'state' containers. It is stated in Section 2.3 that 'Derived state data is contained under a "state" container...'. My only comments here are: a) Should use caution when using 'state' containers in NMDA compliant modules. Rob put together a nice doc here that I won't reiterate: https://github.com/netmod-wg/FAQ/wiki/NMDA-Modelling-FAQ Using such nomenclature locks you into r/o nodes only. b) In some cases, the hierarchy is a bit redundant (statistics/state). Other NMDA compliant modules will not introduce another 'state' hierarchy for instance (see ietf-interfaces) - Pluralization on counters: e.g. 'in-error' vs. 'in-errors'. Maintain consistency with other modules (see ietf-interfaces) - 9 features are defined with no 'if-feature' statements. Where are these feature conditions meant to be used? - Normative references are missing for some of the modules imported. These must be added per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9 General comments on the draft/modules: - The state container and list key designs appear very familiar to that of OpenConfig modules however not consistent with IETF module design. Consistency is key from each producing entity (e.g. IETF in this case) - The draft mentions RPCs and Notifications however none are defined within the modules - Section 2.3: Has examples of RPCs and Notifications that are non-existant in the modules - Abstract: s/RVSP/RSVP/ - Abstract: s/remote procedural/remote procedure/ - Section 2: s/extensiion/extension/ - Section 4: Update the security considerations section to adhere to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.7 and https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines - Various (missing) wording/pluralization cleanup throughout that I'll defer to the RFC Editor. A once over proofread should solve this. 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These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. The draft defines a set of common YANG elements (typedefs, identities and groupings) that are intended to be used in Traffic Engineering related YANG modules. The draft as such doesn't have security implications. The Security Considerations section contains general advices on using YANG with data management protocols (like NETCONF or RESTCONF), which are applicable when these definitions are imported and used in other YANG modules. The advices include using secure protocols (SSH for NETCONF and TLS1.3 for RESTCONF) and implementing access control for sensitive YANG data nodes. Nit: I don't think that reference to TLS1.3 (RFC8446) should be normative. In my understanding readers of this document are not obliged to read and fully understand the details of TLS to be able to import the definitions and create a TE-related YANG module. 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teas-chairs@ietf.org, db3546@att.com, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155743651429.24668.13950704186080173771.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 14:15:14 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] teas - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 105 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 21:15:15 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Lou Berger, a Chair of the teas working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours, 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: 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From: Jan Lindblad Message-Id: <65B272A7-5B20-473C-AAE6-2AE42DC2B5CB@tail-f.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4D9A60B8-4FF3-4337-9E9B-84D33323902C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 19:45:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6D7F1DEA-ECFF-4E3B-A2FE-EA1224DDBFEA@cisco.com> Cc: "draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org" , "yang-doctors@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" To: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , Tarek Saad References: <155692863223.7173.7717533907709205656@ietfa.amsl.com> <9653FA2D-4C36-443F-B462-89D788B9E8FC@cisco.com> <6D7F1DEA-ECFF-4E3B-A2FE-EA1224DDBFEA@cisco.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors early review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-10 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 17:45:27 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4D9A60B8-4FF3-4337-9E9B-84D33323902C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Reshad, all, Even with an XPath search (on servers that support XPath), a full linear = search is required. The linear search would be performed by the server, = but still takes the same amount of search work. If there can be a lot of = sessions, it would be wise to consider using separate lists and natural = keys. Keyless lists are only good when the number of entries is guaranteed to = be small (now and forever), as there is no other way to read such lists = than reading the entire list at once. Usually not optimal for clients if = there may be many entries. /jan > Hi Tarek, > =20 > I stand corrected. As you=E2=80=99ve pointed out this is a read-only = list and Xpath filter can be used, no need for =E2=80=9Cmeaningful=E2=80=9D= keys. > =20 > Regards, > Reshad. > =20 > From: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" > Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 12:31 PM > To: Tarek Saad , = "draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org" = > Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" = , Ebben Aries > Subject: Re: [Teas] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors early review of = draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-10 > =20 > Hi Tarek, > =20 > If a user wants to have information for a specific 2205 session or a = 3209 session, an artificial key or no key doesn=E2=80=99t help for that = situation: the whole list has to be read until the session is found. Why = not have separate lists (under a container) for the different session = types, that way you can have meaningful keys for the 2205 and 3209 = sessions. > =20 > Regards, > Reshad. > =20 > From: Tarek Saad > Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 at 10:46 AM > To: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" , = "draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org" = > Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" , "teas@ietf.org" = , Ebben Aries > Subject: Re: [Teas] [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors early review of = draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-10 > =20 > Hi Reshad, > =20 > Base RSVP RFC2205 defines the session as. "An RSVP session is defined = by the triple: (DestAddress, ProtocolId [, DstPort])." RFC3209 = defines a session object for RSVP-TE LSP(s) as tuple (tunnel endpoint, = tunnel ID, extended tunnel ID). Since keys are mandatory leafs for = lists, and to make it generic, we thought of a having an independent = index key for the list. > Thinking more of it now, since the list is state/read-only, the key is = optional and omitting it may be better. We can consider this in the next = update to the document, thanks for pointing it out. > =20 > Regards, > Tarek > =20 > =20 > On 5/13/19, 2:09 PM, "Teas on behalf of Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" = wrote: > =20 > Hi, > =20 > Question to the authors (I haven't followed this draft so = apologies if I'm trying to revive a dead horse): why is there an = artificial index (leaf local-index) for the sessions list, why not = uniquely identify the session with destination address etc? Is it = because there are different types of sessions? > =20 > Regards, > Reshad. > =20 > =20 > On 2019-05-03, 8:11 PM, "yang-doctors on behalf of Ebben Aries via = Datatracker" wrote: > =20 > Reviewer: Ebben Aries > Review result: On the Right Track > =20 > 2 modules in this draft: > - ietf-rsvp@2019-02-18.yang > - ietf-rsvp-extended@2019-02-18.yang > =20 > No YANG compiler errors or warnings (pyang 2.0, yanglint = 1.1.16, confdc 6.6.1) > =20 > Module ietf-rsvp@2019-02-18.yang: > - Remove WG Chairs from contact information per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#appendix-B > - Use of 'state' containers. It is stated in Section 2.3 that = 'Derived state > data is contained under a "state" container...'. My only = comments here are: > a) Should use caution when using 'state' containers in NMDA = compliant > modules. Rob put together a nice doc here that I won't = reiterate: > https://github.com/netmod-wg/FAQ/wiki/NMDA-Modelling-FAQ > Using such nomenclature locks you into r/o nodes only. > b) In some cases, the hierarchy is a bit redundant = (statistics/state). > Other NMDA compliant modules will not introduce another = 'state' hierarchy > for instance (see ietf-interfaces) > - leaf 'packet-len' is abbreviated while most other leafs are = not > - authentication-key is of type string. Is this leaf mean to = be clear-text? > There is nothing associated with this type that would imply = special > treatment in handling. > - crypto-algorithm: Are all identities from ietf-key-chain = supported? > - Pluralization on counters: e.g. 'in-error' vs. 'in-errors'. = Maintain > consistency with other modules (see ietf-interfaces) > - Normative references are missing for some of the modules = imported. These > must be added per = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9 > =20 > Module ietf-rsvp-extended@2019-02-18.yang: > - Remove WG Chairs from contact information per > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#appendix-B > - Use of 'state' containers. It is stated in Section 2.3 that = 'Derived state > data is contained under a "state" container...'. My only = comments here are: > a) Should use caution when using 'state' containers in NMDA = compliant > modules. Rob put together a nice doc here that I won't = reiterate: > https://github.com/netmod-wg/FAQ/wiki/NMDA-Modelling-FAQ > Using such nomenclature locks you into r/o nodes only. > b) In some cases, the hierarchy is a bit redundant = (statistics/state). > Other NMDA compliant modules will not introduce another = 'state' hierarchy > for instance (see ietf-interfaces) > - Pluralization on counters: e.g. 'in-error' vs. 'in-errors'. = Maintain > consistency with other modules (see ietf-interfaces) > - 9 features are defined with no 'if-feature' statements. = Where are these > feature conditions meant to be used? > - Normative references are missing for some of the modules = imported. These > must be added per = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9 > =20 > =20 > General comments on the draft/modules: > - The state container and list key designs appear very = familiar to that of > OpenConfig modules however not consistent with IETF module = design. > Consistency is key from each producing entity (e.g. IETF in = this case) > - The draft mentions RPCs and Notifications however none are = defined within > the modules > - Section 2.3: Has examples of RPCs and Notifications that are = non-existant in > the modules > - Abstract: s/RVSP/RSVP/ > - Abstract: s/remote procedural/remote procedure/ > - Section 2: s/extensiion/extension/ > - Section 4: Update the security considerations section to = adhere to > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.7 and > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines > - Various (missing) wording/pluralization cleanup throughout = that I'll defer > to the RFC Editor. A once over proofread should solve this. > =20 > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > =20 > _______________________________________________ > yang-doctors mailing list > yang-doctors@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yang-doctors --Apple-Mail=_4D9A60B8-4FF3-4337-9E9B-84D33323902C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Reshad, all,

Even with an XPath search (on servers that support XPath), a = full linear search is required. The linear search would be performed by = the server, but still takes the same amount of search work. If there can = be a lot of sessions, it would be wise to consider using separate lists = and natural keys.

Keyless lists are only good when the number of entries is = guaranteed to be small (now and forever), as there is no other way to = read such lists than reading the entire list at once. Usually not = optimal for clients if there may be many entries.
/jan


Hi Tarek,
 
I = stand corrected. As you=E2=80=99ve pointed out this is a read-only list = and Xpath filter can be used, no need for =E2=80=9Cmeaningful=E2=80=9D = keys.
 
Regards,
Reshad.
 
From: "Reshad Rahman (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 = at 12:31 PM
To: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>, "draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org>
Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" <yang-doctors@ietf.org>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>, Ebben = Aries <exa@arrcus.com>
Subject: Re: [Teas] = [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors early review of = draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-10
 
Hi Tarek,
 
If a user wants to have information for a specific = 2205 session or a 3209 session, an artificial key or no key doesn=E2=80=99= t help for that situation: the whole list has to be read until the = session is found. Why not have separate lists (under a container) for = the different session types, that way you can have meaningful keys for = the 2205 and 3209 sessions.
 
Regards,
Reshad.
 
From: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 = at 10:46 AM
To: "Reshad Rahman = (rrahman)" <rrahman@cisco.com>, "draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp.all@ietf.org>
Cc: "yang-doctors@ietf.org" <yang-doctors@ietf.org>, "teas@ietf.org" <teas@ietf.org>, Ebben = Aries <exa@arrcus.com>
Subject: Re: [Teas] = [yang-doctors] Yangdoctors early review of = draft-ietf-teas-yang-rsvp-10
 
Hi Reshad,
 
Base RSVP = RFC2205 defines the session as. "An RSVP session is defined by the = triple: (DestAddress, ProtocolId      [, = DstPort])." RFC3209 defines a session object for RSVP-TE LSP(s) as tuple = (tunnel endpoint, tunnel ID, extended tunnel ID). Since keys are = mandatory leafs for lists, and to make it generic, we thought of a = having an independent index key for the list.
Thinking = more of it now, since the list is state/read-only, the key is optional = and omitting it may be better. We can consider this in the next update = to the document, thanks for pointing it out.
 
Regards,
Tarek
 
 
On 5/13/19, 2:09 PM, "Teas on behalf of Reshad Rahman = (rrahman)" <teas-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rrahman@cisco.com> = wrote:
 
    Hi,
    
    Question to the authors (I haven't = followed this draft so apologies if I'm trying to revive a dead horse): = why is there an artificial index (leaf local-index) for the sessions = list, why not uniquely identify the session with destination address = etc? Is it because there are different types of sessions?
    
    Regards,
    Reshad.
    
    
    On 2019-05-03, = 8:11 PM, "yang-doctors on behalf of Ebben Aries via Datatracker" <yang-doctors-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of noreply@ietf.org> = wrote:
    
        Reviewer: = Ebben Aries
        Review result: On = the Right Track
        
        2 modules in = this draft:
        - ietf-rsvp@2019-02-18.yang
        
        No YANG = compiler errors or warnings (pyang 2.0, yanglint 1.1.16, confdc = 6.6.1)
        
        Module ietf-rsvp@2019-02-18.yang:
        - Remove WG Chairs = from contact information per
        - Use of 'state' = containers.  It is stated in Section 2.3 that 'Derived state
          data = is contained under a "state" container...'.  My only comments here = are:
          a) = Should use caution when using 'state' containers in NMDA compliant
          = modules.  Rob put together a nice doc here that I won't = reiterate:
          Using = such nomenclature locks you into r/o nodes only.
          b) In = some cases, the hierarchy is a bit redundant (statistics/state).
          Other = NMDA compliant modules will not introduce another 'state' hierarchy
          for = instance (see ietf-interfaces)
        - leaf = 'packet-len' is abbreviated while most other leafs are not
        - = authentication-key is of type string.  Is this leaf mean to be = clear-text?
          There = is nothing associated with this type that would imply special
          = treatment in handling.
        - = crypto-algorithm: Are all identities from ietf-key-chain supported?
        - Pluralization on = counters:  e.g. 'in-error' vs. 'in-errors'. Maintain
          = consistency with other modules (see ietf-interfaces)
        - Normative = references are missing for some of the modules imported.  These
          must = be added per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9
        
        Module ietf-rsvp-extended@2019-02-18.yang:
        - Remove WG Chairs = from contact information per
        - Use of 'state' = containers.  It is stated in Section 2.3 that 'Derived state
          data = is contained under a "state" container...'.  My only comments here = are:
          a) = Should use caution when using 'state' containers in NMDA compliant
          = modules.  Rob put together a nice doc here that I won't = reiterate:
          Using = such nomenclature locks you into r/o nodes only.
          b) In = some cases, the hierarchy is a bit redundant (statistics/state).
          Other = NMDA compliant modules will not introduce another 'state' hierarchy
          for = instance (see ietf-interfaces)
        - Pluralization on = counters:  e.g. 'in-error' vs. 'in-errors'. Maintain
          = consistency with other modules (see ietf-interfaces)
        - 9 features are = defined with no 'if-feature' statements.  Where are these
          = feature conditions meant to be used?
        - Normative = references are missing for some of the modules imported.  These
          must = be added per https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#section-3.9
        
        
        General = comments on the draft/modules:
        - The state = container and list key designs appear very familiar to that of
          = OpenConfig modules however not consistent with IETF module design.
          = Consistency is key from each producing entity (e.g. IETF in this = case)
        - The draft = mentions RPCs and Notifications however none are defined within
          the = modules
        - Section 2.3: Has = examples of RPCs and Notifications that are non-existant in
          the = modules
        - Abstract: = s/RVSP/RSVP/
        - Abstract: = s/remote procedural/remote procedure/
        - Section 2: = s/extensiion/extension/
        - Section 4: = Update the security considerations section to adhere to
        
    
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= --Apple-Mail=_4D9A60B8-4FF3-4337-9E9B-84D33323902C-- From nobody Tue May 14 11:25:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B935A120168; Tue, 14 May 2019 11:25:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melinda Shore via Datatracker To: Cc: ietf@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Melinda Shore Message-ID: <155785831655.30214.3189662700783001303@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 11:25:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-20 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 18:25:17 -0000 Reviewer: Melinda Shore Review result: Not Ready This review updates my previous review of the -15 draft (see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-15-secdir-lc-shore-2018-06-07/). I'm pleased to see the update to the security considerations sections, although it's still fairly generic and doesn't describe the threat environment (this may seem like a nit but it's not: describing how changes to individual subtrees may impact the system does not really detail how a malicious actor may subvert or disable the system). I think this section arguably does conform to the yang-security-guidelines template despite the missing detail and modulo the missing mandatory references to 5246 and 6536. I'm torn between marking this has "Has Issues" (because of the lack of threat description in the Security Considerations) and "Not Ready" (because of the missing mandatory references) but am going with the latter, and it's up to the IESG how heavily they'd like to weight the generic descriptions of modified subtree impacts. From nobody Tue May 14 15:41:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE381202C1; Tue, 14 May 2019 15:40:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Linda Dunbar via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Linda Dunbar Message-ID: <155787365282.30182.991962621463628123@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 15:40:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-09 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 22:41:00 -0000 Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review result: Ready with Nits I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-?? Reviewer: Linda Dunbar Review Date: 2019-05-14 IETF LC End Date: 2019-05-16 IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat Summary: This document defines all the "Identity" (or types) for TE data types. Therefore, it is hard to tell if all the types are completely specified without cross reference to the TE specification drafts. For example, I tried to cross reference to RFC3209 on "identity local-protection-desired", the words are not completely matched in RFC3209. (e.g. identity local-protection-desired { base session-attributes-flags; description "Fastreroute local protection is desired."; reference "RFC3209"; } It would make it much easier to validate the YANG model if the page number of the referenced RFC is listed in the Reference, or the actual TLV being referenced are described. Major issues: Minor issues: Nits/editorial comments: Add the page number of the referenced RFC to make it easier to validate the correctness of the "types", or describe the actual TLV being referenced . 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Hi, = Lou, Pavan,

 

We a= re writing to ask the future plan about the draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controll= er-inter-work. We checked the meeting audio/minutes and found there was goo= d support on this work and chairs have agreed to proceed as well. However the list has been quiet for a while and= puzzled us on the direction. Shall we align about the plan for next step?

 

Than= ks.

 

Best wishes,

Haomian(on behalf of the authors)

 

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Thank you,
Pavan and Lou
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Please discuss (on the list) how the changes in the latest revision address all of Dieter's comments. Dieter, Please do confirm on the list if there are no further open issues to discuss. Regards, -Pavan On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 11:50 AM Leeyoung wrote: > Hi, > > This revision incorporated Dieter's comments (exchanged privately --- see > the attachment for this content of Dieter's comments). > > If there are still further comments before being ready for WG adoption, > we'd appreciate your providing comments in a timely manner. > > Thanks & Best regards, > Young (on behalf of co-authors) > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 11:43 AM > To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; Satish > Karunanithi ; Leeyoung ; > Dhruv Dhody ; Daniel King ; > Ricard Vilata ; Ricard Vilalta < > ricard.vilalta@cttc.es> > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF > repository. > > Name: draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics > Revision: 17 > Title: YANG models for VN & TE Performance Monitoring Telemetry > and Scaling Intent Autonomics > Document date: 2019-05-08 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 30 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-aut= onomics-17.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonom= ics/ > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-1= 7 > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-au= tonomics > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auto= nomics-17 > > Abstract: > This document provides YANG data models that describe performance > monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels and > Virtual Networks (VN). > > The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to > and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the > level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with the > ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level > of TE-tunnel as well as VN. > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" > To: Leeyoung > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , "King, Daniel" < > d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>, Daniele Ceccarelli < > daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:06:20 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt > Hi Young, > > here are some more comments as promised: > > Other terms which are not defined are: > > - scaling intent (the description in section 4 is very poor and does > not describe what scaling intent is all about), > - network autonomics > > > The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport networks > for many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters and PM > history. > Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment an= d > care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data from > classical PM data > unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an option. > > Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of > "scaling intent" in order to understand what it means: > > Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client to > configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on both the > TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set for auto- > scaling based on the PM telemetry data. > > > What are the "automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms"? What are the > configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally unclear to = me: > > There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism: > > . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or > scale-in. > > The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either: > > module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry > augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel: > +-rw te-scaling-intent > | +-rw scale-in-intent > | | +-rw threshold-time? uint32 > | | +-rw cooldown-time? uint32 > | | +-rw scale-in-operation-type? scaling-criteria-operation > | | +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type] > | | +-rw performance-type identityref > | | +-rw threshold-value? string > | | +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref? > -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name > | +-rw scale-out-intent > | +-rw threshold-time? uint32 > | +-rw cooldown-time? uint32 > | +-rw scale-out-operation-type? scaling-criteria-operation > | +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type] > | +-rw performance-type identityref > | +-rw threshold-value? string > | +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref? > -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name > > The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time, > scale-in-operation-type) are not explained. > > > My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The > concerns I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed. > > > Thanks, > Dieter > > > > On 18.04.2019 20:58, Dieter Beller wrote: > > Hi Young, > > here is my very first comment: > > The abstract reads: > > Abstract > > This document provides YANG data models that describe performance > monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels and > Virtual Networks (VN). > > The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to > and monitor their *key performance data* of their interest on the > level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with the > ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level > of TE-tunnel as well as VN. > > When I tried to find the definition of the term "*key performance data*" > I failed. The terminology section reads: > > 1.1 . Terminology Refer to [RFC8453 ], [RFC7926 ], and [RFC= 8309 ] for the key terms used > in this document. > > > The term "*key performance data*" is not defined in section 1.1 nor in > the referenced RFSs! > Frankly speaking, I have no clue what "*key performance data*" is. > > This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague. > > More comments will follow. > > > Thanks, > Dieter > > > > On 18.04.2019 18:56, Dieter Beller wrote: > > Hi Young, > > I will have a look at the latest version. Unfortunately, I was not able t= o > find the necessary time yet. > > > Thanks, > Dieter > > > On 18.04.2019 18:27, Leeyoung wrote: > > Hi Pavan and Lou, > > To recap, the revision addressed all your comments in Prague meeting on t= he generalization of this draft so that it would be applicable in general c= ontexts. And thanks to Tom, all other comments have been incorporated to im= prove the draft. > > The co-authors believe that this is ready for WG adoption. Please let us = know if this is the case; otherwise, let us know what needs further to be d= one. > > Thanks & Best regards, > Young (on behalf of co-authors) > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org ] > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:18 AM > To: Daniele Ceccarelli ; Satish Karunanithi ; Leeyoung ; Dhruv Dhody ; Daniel = King ; Ricard Vilata ; Ricard Vilalta > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-au= tonomics-16.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF repos= itory. > > Name: draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics > Revision: 16 > Title: YANG models for VN & TE Performance Monitoring Telemetry and Scal= ing Intent Autonomics > Document date: 2019-04-18 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 29 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-teas-actn-= pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-t= elemetry-autonomics/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-teleme= try-autonomics-16 > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lee-teas-actn= -pm-telemetry-autonomics > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-lee-teas-actn-p= m-telemetry-autonomics-16 > > Abstract: > This document provides YANG data models that describe performance > monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels and > Virtual Networks (VN). > > The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to > and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the > level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with the > ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level > of TE-tunnel as well as VN. > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing listTeas@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --000000000000e23f2b05894a9382 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Young,
Thanks for bringing the offline= discussion to the list. Please discuss (on the list) how the changes in th= e latest revision address all of Dieter's comments.

Dieter,
Please do confirm on the list if there are no furth= er open issues to discuss.

Regards,
= -Pavan

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 11:50 AM Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com> wrote:
Hi,

This revision incorporated Dieter's comments (exchanged privately --- s= ee the attachment for this content of Dieter's comments).

If there are still further comments before being ready for WG adoption, we&= #39;d appreciate your providing comments in a timely manner.=C2=A0

Thanks & Best regards,
Young (on behalf of co-authors)

-----Original Message-----
From: interne= t-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 11:43 AM
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; Satish Karuna= nithi <satish.karunanithi@gmail.com>; Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>; Dhruv Dhody = <dhruv.dhody= @huawei.com>; Daniel King <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>; Ricard Vilata <ricard.vilalta@ctt= c.es>; Ricard Vilalta <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auto= nomics-17.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF reposit= ory.

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Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG models for VN & TE Perfor= mance Monitoring Telemetry and Scaling Intent Autonomics
Document date:=C2=A0 2019-05-08
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document provides YANG data models that describe performa= nce
=C2=A0 =C2=A0monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunne= ls and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Virtual Networks (VN).

=C2=A0 =C2=A0The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscrib= e to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and monitor their key performance data of their interest on th= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers wi= th the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the l= evel
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of TE-tunnel as well as VN.






Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0"Bel= ler, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)" <dieter.beller@nokia.com>
To:=C2=A0= Leeyoung <leeyo= ung@huawei.com>
Cc:=C2=A0TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>, "Ki= ng, Daniel" <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>, Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@e= ricsson.com>
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:06:20 += 0000
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-lee= -teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt
Hi Young,

here are some more comments as promised:

Other terms which are not defined are:
  • scaling intent (the description in section 4 is very poor and does not = describe what scaling intent is all about),
  • network autonomics

The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport networks fo= r many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters and PM history.=
Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment and = care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data=C2=A0 from cla= ssical PM data
unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an option.

Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of &quo= t;scaling intent" in order to understand what it means:

 =
  Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client to
   configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on both the
   TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set for auto-
   scaling based on the PM telemetry data.
=C2=A0
What are the "automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms"? What = are the configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally uncle= ar to me:
 =
  There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism:

     . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or
        scale-in.
The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either:
 =
  module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry
     augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel:
       +-rw te-scaling-intent
       |  +-rw scale-in-intent
       |  |  +-rw threshold-time?            uint32
       |  |  +-rw cooldown-time?             uint32
       |  |  +-rw scale-in-operation-type?   scaling-criteria-operation
       |  |  +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type]
       |  |     +-rw performance-type           identityref
       |  |     +-rw threshold-value?           string
       |  |     +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref?
                   -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name
       |  +-rw scale-out-intent
       |     +-rw threshold-time?             uint32
       |     +-rw cooldown-time?              uint32
       |     +-rw scale-out-operation-type?   scaling-criteria-operation
       |     +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type]
       |        +-rw performance-type           identityref
       |        +-rw threshold-value?           string
       |        +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref?
                   -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name
The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time, scale-in-operation-type)= are not explained.


My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The concerns= I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed.


Thanks,
Dieter



On 18.04.2019 20:= 58, Dieter Beller wrote:
Hi Young,

here is my very first comment:

The abstract reads:
A=
bstract

   This document provides YANG data models that describe performance
   monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels and
   Virtual Networks (VN).

   The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to
   and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the
   level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with the
   ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level
   of TE-tunnel as well as VN.
When I tried to find the definition of the term "= key performance data" I failed. The terminology section reads:<= br> 
1.1. Terminology
   Refer to [RFC8453], [RFC7926], and [RFC8309] for the key terms used
   in this document.

The term "key perf= ormance data" is not defined in section 1.1 nor in the referenced RFSs!
Frankly speaking, I have no clue what "key performance data" is.

This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague.
=C2=A0
More comments will follow.


Thanks,
Dieter



On 18.04.2019 18:= 56, Dieter Beller wrote:
Hi Young,

I will have a look at the latest version. Unfortunately, I was not able to = find the necessary time yet.


Thanks,
Dieter


On 18.04.2019 18:= 27, Leeyoung wrote:
Hi Pavan and Lou,=
=20

To recap, the revision addressed all your comments in Prague meeting on the=
 generalization of this draft so that it would be applicable in general con=
texts. And thanks to Tom, all other comments have been incorporated to impr=
ove the draft.=20

The co-authors believe that this is ready for WG adoption. Please let us kn=
ow if this is the case; otherwise, let us know what needs further to be don=
e.=20

Thanks & Best regards,
Young (on behalf of co-authors)

-----Original Message-----
From: internet-drafts@ietf=
.org [mailto:internet-dra=
fts@ietf.org]=20
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:18 AM
To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; Satish Karunanithi <satish.karunanithi@gmail.com&=
gt;; Leeyoung <leeyoung@hua=
wei.com>; Dhruv Dhody &l=
t;dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>; Daniel King <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>; Ricard Vilata <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>; Ric=
ard Vilalta <ricard.vilalta@=
cttc.es>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-auto=
nomics-16.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt
has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF reposit=
ory.

Name:		draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics
Revision:	16
Title:		YANG models for VN & TE Performance Monitoring Telemetry and Sc=
aling Intent Autonomics
Document date:	2019-04-18
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		29
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-dr=
afts/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lee=
-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-teas-ac=
tn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/=
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Dd=
raft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16

Abstract:
   This document provides YANG data models that describe performance
   monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels and
   Virtual Networks (VN).

   The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to
   and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the
   level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with the
   ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level
   of TE-tunnel as well as VN.



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Date: 2019-05-20 12:48
Subject: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-zhe= ng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work
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=0AThank y= ou,
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2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 00:38:26 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies Authors : Xufeng Liu Igor Bryskin Vishnu Pavan Beeram Tarek Saad Himanshu Shah Oscar Gonzalez De Dios Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-21.txt Pages : 211 Date : 2019-05-23 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for representing, retrieving and manipulating Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies. The model serves as a base model that other technology specific TE Topology models can augment. 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We have posted the updated revision https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-21 to address these issues. We have updated the text in the Security Considerations section to describe the possible actions by a malicious attacker. As for the mandatory references to RFC5246 and RFC6536, they were obsoleted by newer RFCs so we replaced them with the newer ones. RFC5246 has been obsoleted by RFC8446, so we now use RFC8446 instead. Do we still need to reference RFC5246? RFC6536 has been obsoleted by RFC8341, so we now use RFC8341 instead. Do we still need to reference RFC6536? Thanks, - Xufeng On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 2:25 PM Melinda Shore via Datatracker < noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > Reviewer: Melinda Shore > Review result: Not Ready > > This review updates my previous review of the -15 draft (see > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-15-secdir-lc-shore-2018-06-07/ > ). > I'm pleased to see the update to the security considerations sections, > although it's still fairly generic and doesn't describe the threat > environment > (this may seem like a nit but it's not: describing how changes to > individual > subtrees may impact the system does not really detail how a malicious > actor may > subvert or disable the system). I think this section arguably does > conform to > the yang-security-guidelines template despite the missing detail and > modulo the > missing mandatory references to 5246 and 6536. I'm torn between marking > this > has "Has Issues" (because of the lack of threat description in the Security > Considerations) and "Not Ready" (because of the missing mandatory > references) > but am going with the latter, and it's up to the IESG how heavily they'd > like > to weight the generic descriptions of modified subtree impacts. > > --0000000000007eadbd0589978568 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Melinda,

Thanks for the review. We have posted the updated revis= ion https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-21 to address= these issues. We have updated the text in the Security Considerations sect= ion to describe the possible actions by a malicious attacker. As for the ma= ndatory references to RFC5246 and RFC6536, they were obsoleted by newer RFC= s so we replaced them with the newer ones.
RFC5246 has been obsoleted by= RFC8446, so we now use RFC8446 instead. Do we still need to reference RFC5= 246?
RFC6536 has been obsoleted by RFC8341, so we now use RFC8341 inste= ad. Do we still need to reference RFC6536?

Thanks,
- Xufeng
=
On Tue= , May 14, 2019 at 2:25 PM Melinda Shore via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
<= /div>
Reviewer: Melinda Sh= ore
Review result: Not Ready

This review updates my previous review of the -15 draft (see
https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-15-secdir-lc-shore-= 2018-06-07/).
=C2=A0I'm pleased to see the update to the security considerations sect= ions,
although it's still fairly generic and doesn't describe the threat = environment
(this may seem like a nit but it's not: describing how changes to indiv= idual
subtrees may impact the system does not really detail how a malicious actor= may
subvert or disable the system).=C2=A0 I think this section arguably does co= nform to
the yang-security-guidelines template despite the missing detail and modulo= the
missing mandatory references to 5246 and 6536.=C2=A0 I'm torn between m= arking this
has "Has Issues" (because of the lack of threat description in th= e Security
Considerations) and "Not Ready" (because of the missing mandatory= references)
but am going with the latter, and it's up to the IESG how heavily they&= #39;d like
to weight the generic descriptions of modified subtree impacts.

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working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 21:13:20 -0000 --_000_BN8PR06MB6289FA104129CB51C4AD84D4FC020BN8PR06MB6289namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The team on =93to=94 list met to discuss this subject topic. Notes from tod= ay=92s discussion (please add if I missed): Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels: This is a generic problem in NMDA. How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or auto-create= d) objects of a list, if the list uses the object (string based) name as th= e key? Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but they are = different objects =96 how to avoid such collision. Proposed solution: Option 1: Use a special character for ephemeral names =96 e.g. such names always a= re prepended by special character =93#=94 Make the special character changeable by configuration =96 the default c= an be =93#=94 and user can change if they desire.. Others? AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group. Container TE tunnels discussion: * Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same 2 endpoints to= share incoming traffic towards the egress * Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be auto-created/deleted on-d= emand and controlled by thresholds specified under the container * Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel and inherited down = to member tunnels of the container * Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override inherited attributes = from container tunnel? * Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a container have the sam= e prefix/suffix =96 i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable Regards, Tarek --_000_BN8PR06MB6289FA104129CB51C4AD84D4FC020BN8PR06MB6289namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The team on =93to=94 list met to discuss this subjec= t topic. Notes from today=92s discussion (please add if I missed):

 

Name collision between configured and ephemeral t= unnels:

  This is a generic problem in NMDA.=

  How to handle collisions between configured a= nd ephemeral (or auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the obje= ct (string based) name as the key?

  Both configured and ephemeral can have the sa= me object name but they are different objects =96 how to avoid such collisi= on.

 Proposed solution:

   Option 1:

   Use a special character for ephemeral n= ames =96 e.g. such names always are prepended by special character =93#=94<= o:p>

   Make the special character changeable b= y configuration =96 the default can be =93#=94 and user can change if they = desire..

  Others?

AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group.

 

Container TE tunnels discussion:

  • Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same 2 endpoints to= share incoming traffic towards the egress
  • Member tunn= els of a container tunnel can be auto-created/deleted on-demand and control= led by thresholds specified under the container
  • Some a= ttributes may apply on the container tunnel and inherited down to member tu= nnels of the container
  • Q: Should model allow member t= unnel to override inherited attributes from container tunnel?
  • Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a container have the s= ame prefix/suffix =96 i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable

 

Regards,

Tarek

 

 

 

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Notes from today=92s discussion (please add if I missed): Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels: This is a generic problem in NMDA. How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the object (string based) name as the key? Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but they are different objects =96 how to avoid such collision. Proposed solution: Option 1: Use a special character for ephemeral names =96 e.g. such names always are prepended by special character =93#=94 Make the special character changeable by configuration =96 the default can be =93#=94 and user can change if they desire.. Others? _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > From nobody Mon May 27 06:17:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB6F12015E; Mon, 27 May 2019 06:17:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oh8x2A2gn7cw; Mon, 27 May 2019 06:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03C2612013D; Mon, 27 May 2019 06:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id F11DE9D072F4F1327141; Mon, 27 May 2019 14:16:57 +0100 (IST) Received: from LHREML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([10.201.109.59]) by lhreml701-cah.china.huawei.com ([10.201.108.42]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 27 May 2019 14:16:54 +0100 From: Italo Busi To: "netmod@ietf.org" CC: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries Thread-Index: AdUUid+3lEIjrS8aR5K2w9jffR4mQA== Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 13:16:54 +0000 Message-ID: <91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774D314@lhreml504-mbs> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.203.246.126] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774D314lhreml504mbs_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 13:17:02 -0000 --_004_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774D314lhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774D314lhreml504mbs_" --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774D314lhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an issue which seems generi= c and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the Netmod WG In the TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list with a name attribute us= ed as a key: | +--rw tunnel* [name] | | +--ro operational-state? identityref | | +--rw name string See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21 The issue we are facing is how to avoid name collision between configured a= nd ephemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying to address is= how to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a name which have= been already assigned by the server to another ephemeral tunnel and vice-v= ersa, in particular considering NMDA rules We believe that the issue is generic and apply to any configured and epheme= ral list entries Has this issue been already discussed/resolved in Netmod WG? If not, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? We are currently consider= ing the following option: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are= prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can= be "#" and user can change if they desire.. Thanks, Italo Italo Busi Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. Tel : +39 345 4721946 Email : italo.busi@huawei.com [cid:image002.png@01D5149F.354EF420] This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWE= I, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed = above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, b= ut not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or disseminat= ion) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you = receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email im= mediately and delete it! From: Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com] Sent: venerd=EC 24 maggio 2019 23:13 To: Igor Bryskin ; Rakesh Gandhi ; Xufeng ; Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; Italo Busi Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Discussion on modelling container TE tunnels in YANG The team on "to" list met to discuss this subject topic. Notes from today's= discussion (please add if I missed): Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels: This is a generic problem in NMDA. How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or auto-create= d) objects of a list, if the list uses the object (string based) name as th= e key? Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but they are = different objects - how to avoid such collision. Proposed solution: Option 1: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are= prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can= be "#" and user can change if they desire.. Others? AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group. Container TE tunnels discussion: - Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same 2 endpoin= ts to share incoming traffic towards the egress - Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be auto-created/deleted= on-demand and controlled by thresholds specified under the container - Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel and inherited = down to member tunnels of the container - Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override inherited attrib= utes from container tunnel? - Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a container have th= e same prefix/suffix - i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable Regards, Tarek --_000_91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774D314lhreml504mbs_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an i= ssue which seems generic and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the = Netmod WG

=  

In th= e TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list with a name attribute used as= a key:

=  

     |  +--rw tunnel* [name]<= o:p>

     |  |  +--ro operati= onal-state?          &nbs= p;       identityref

     |  |  +--rw name&nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;      string

=  

See: = <= span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas= -yang-te-21<= /o:p>

=  

The i= ssue we are facing is how to avoid name collision between configured and ep= hemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying to address is how = to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a name which have been already assigned by the server to another ep= hemeral tunnel and vice-versa, in particular considering NMDA rules

=  

We be= lieve that the issue is generic and apply to any configured and ephemeral l= ist entries

=  

Has t= his issue been already discussed/resolved in Netmod WG?

=  

If no= t, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? We are currently considering t= he following option:

=  

   Use a special character for ephemeral n= ames – e.g. such names always are prepended by special character R= 20;#”

   Make the special character changeable b= y configuration – the default can be “#” and user can cha= nge if they desire..

=  

Thank= s, Italo

=  

Italo Busi

Pr= incipal Optical Transport Network Research Enginee= r

Hu= awei Technologies Co., Ltd.

Te= l : +39 345 4721946

Em= ail : italo.busi@huawei.com =

 

This e-mail a= nd its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is i= ntended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (i= ncluding, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or= dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibit= ed. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete i= t!

=  

From:= Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com]
Sent: venerd=EC 24 maggio 2019 23:13
To: Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com>; Rakesh Gandhi <= rgandhi@cisco.com>; Xufeng <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Vishnu Pav= an Beeram <vbeeram@juniper.net>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com= >
Cc: teas@ietf.org
Subject: Discussion on modelling container TE tunnels in YANG

 

The team on “to” list met to discuss thi= s subject topic. Notes from today’s discussion (please add if I misse= d):

 

Name collision between configured and ephemeral t= unnels:

  This is a generic problem in NMDA.=

  How to handle collisions between configured a= nd ephemeral (or auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the obje= ct (string based) name as the key?

  Both configured and ephemeral can have the sa= me object name but they are different objects – how to avoid such col= lision.

 Proposed solution:

   Option 1:

   Use a special character for ephemeral n= ames – e.g. such names always are prepended by special character R= 20;#”

   Make the special character changeable b= y configuration – the default can be “#” and user can cha= nge if they desire..

  Others?

AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group.

 

Container TE tunnels discussion:

-       = ;   Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between s= ame 2 endpoints to share incoming traffic towards the egress

-       = ;   Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be auto-cr= eated/deleted on-demand and controlled by thresholds specified under the co= ntainer

-       = ;   Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel a= nd inherited down to member tunnels of the container

-       = ;   Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override inh= erited attributes from container tunnel?

-       = ;   Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a cont= ainer have the same prefix/suffix – i..e prefix/suffix can be configu= rable

 

Regards,

Tarek

 

 

 

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All,

This is start of a two week poll on making
draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 a TEAS working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the
document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends June 10th.

Thanks,
Pavan and Lou
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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, All: =20 Support its adoption. I think this document gives the overall structural information for the = necessary/benefits/components of central control within traditional = GMPLS network. =20 We have the similar idea to proposal for the Native IP network: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip/= Based on these proposals, we think that it is possible in future to let = the IP and transport converge to provide customers the seamless services = and utilize the underlay resources more efficiently. =20 One proposal for this draft is that about the topology retrieval = methods: Draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhodylee-pce-pcep-ls/ has = proposed to achieve this goal via the PCEP protocol, which is similar = with the BGP-LS=E3=80=82 I think gathering the topology via the TCP = protocol(via BGP-LS/PCEP-LS) will be more flexible for the deployment of = Controller. =20 I think the authors can include such approach in current polling draft = for further discussion. =20 =20 Best Regards. =20 Aijun Wang Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China. =20 =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Vishnu Pavan Beeram = [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 = 21:36 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption poll - = draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work =20 All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 a TEAS working group = document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends June 10th. Thanks, Pavan and Lou ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01D5154A.8EB7C8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, All:

 

Support its adoption.

I think this document gives the overall structural =C2=A0information = for the necessary/benefits/components of central control within = traditional GMPLS network.

 

We have the similar idea to proposal for the Native IP = network:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenario= s/

= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/<= /o:p>

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-= native-ip/

Based on these proposals, we think that it is possible in future to = let the IP and transport converge to provide customers the seamless = services and utilize the underlay resources more = efficiently.

 

One proposal for this draft is that about the topology retrieval = methods:

Draft htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dhodylee-pce-pcep-ls/ =C2=A0has proposed to achieve this goal via the PCEP protocol, which = is similar with the BGP-LS=E3=80=82 I think gathering the topology via the TCP protocol(via = BGP-LS/PCEP-LS) will be more flexible for the deployment of = Controller.=C2=A0

I think the authors can include such approach in current polling = draft for further discussion.

 

 

Best Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support = Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, = China.

 

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Vishnu Pavan Beeram = [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B45=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 21:36
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=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption poll - = draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work

=

 

All,

This is start of a two week pol= l on making
draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 a = TEAS working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating = "yes/support" or "no/do not
support". If = indicating no, please state your reservations with the
document. If = yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see = addressed once the document is a WG document.

The pol= l ends June 10th.

Thanks,
Pavan and = Lou

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From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram
Date: 2019-05-27 21:35
To: = ;TEAS WG
CC: TEAS WG Chairs
Subj= ect: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-= inter-work
All,
=0A
=0AThis is start of a two week poll= on making
draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 a TEA= S working group document.
=0APlease send email to the list indicating "= yes/support" or "no/do not
=0Asupport". If indicating no, please state = your reservations with the
=0Adocument. If yes, please also feel free t= o provide comments you'd
=0Alike to see addressed once the document is = a WG document.
=0A
=0AThe poll ends June 10th.
=0A=0AThanks,
=0APavan and Lou
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I would like to see the following discussed on the list: =E2=80=94 Please explain what is it that this document is trying to say tha= t hasn=E2=80=99t been discussed before (imho, this isn=E2=80=99t clearly articulated in the document). There are sufficient number of existing documents that discuss how GMPLS paths can be computed, placed, optimized, rerouted and maintained in the network. There are also a fair number of documents that discuss how these paths can be controlled (at the head end) by a PCE based controller. Is the document just trying to say that these GMPLS paths can also be controlled (at the head end) via non-PCEP means (is that all that this document is trying to say)? =E2=80=94 In a document about the interworking of =E2=80=9Cdistributed and = centralized control=E2=80=9D, I would have liked to see some discussion on the pros and= cons of (/recommendations on) distributing or centralizing certain TE functions. Is non-headend (TE Tunnel transit) control out of scope? Please do explain the overall scope of this document? Regards, -Pavan (as a WG participant) On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 8:35 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > All, > > This is start of a two week poll on making > draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 a TEAS working group > document. > Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > The poll ends June 10th. > > Thanks, > Pavan and Lou > --00000000000000cac20589ede703 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
[Chair hat off]

Authors, Hi!

I would like to= see the following discussed on the list:

=E2=80=94 Please explain w= hat is it that this document is trying to say that hasn=E2=80=99t been disc= ussed before (imho, this isn=E2=80=99t clearly articulated in the document)= . There are sufficient number of existing documents that discuss how GMPLS = paths can be computed, placed, optimized, rerouted and maintained in the ne= twork. There are also a fair number of documents that discuss how these pat= hs can be controlled (at the head end) by a PCE based controller. Is the do= cument just trying to say that these GMPLS paths can also be controlled (at= the head end) via non-PCEP means (is that all that this document is trying= to say)?

=E2=80=94 In a document about the interworking of =E2=80= =9Cdistributed and centralized control=E2=80=9D, I would have liked to see = some discussion on the pros and cons of (/recommendations on) distributing = or centralizing certain TE functions. Is non-headend (TE Tunnel transit) co= ntrol out of scope? Please do explain the overall scope of this document? <= br>
Regards,
-Pavan (as a WG participant)

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 8:35= AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnu= pavan@gmail.com> wrote:
All,

This is start of a two week poll on = making
draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 a TEAS working gr= oup document.
Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "n= o/do not
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends June 10th.

Thanks,
Pavan and Lou
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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ietfc@btconnect.com X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR07MB4046 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 08:42:10 -0000 Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo Busi" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:16 PM Subject: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an issue which seems generic and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the Netmod WG In the TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list with a name attribute used as a key: | +--rw tunnel* [name] | | +--ro operational-state? identityref | | +--rw name string See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21 The issue we are facing is how to avoid name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying to address is how to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a name which have been already assigned by the server to another ephemeral tunnel and vice-versa, in particular considering NMDA rules We believe that the issue is generic and apply to any configured and ephemeral list entries Has this issue been already discussed/resolved in Netmod WG? If not, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? We are currently considering the following option: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can be "#" and user can change if they desire.. If this is to conform with YANG 1.1, RFC7950, then the constraint is Identifiers are used to identify different kinds of YANG items by name. Each identifier starts with an uppercase or lowercase ASCII letter or an underscore character, followed by zero or more ASCII letters, digits, underscore characters, hyphens, and dots. No # (hash) anywhere so I suspect that a lot of tooling will fail in an unpredictable way if it encounters an illegal character in an identifier. Tom Petch Thanks, Italo Italo Busi Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. Tel : +39 345 4721946 Email : italo.busi@huawei.com [cid:image002.png@01D5149F.354EF420] This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! From: Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com] Sent: venerd=EC 24 maggio 2019 23:13 To: Igor Bryskin ; Rakesh Gandhi ; Xufeng ; Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; Italo Busi Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Discussion on modelling container TE tunnels in YANG The team on "to" list met to discuss this subject topic. Notes from today's discussion (please add if I missed): Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels: This is a generic problem in NMDA. How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the object (string based) name as the key? Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but they are different objects - how to avoid such collision. Proposed solution: Option 1: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can be "#" and user can change if they desire.. Others? AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group. Container TE tunnels discussion: - Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same 2 endpoints to share incoming traffic towards the egress - Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be auto-created/deleted on-demand and controlled by thresholds specified under the container - Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel and inherited down to member tunnels of the container - Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override inherited attributes from container tunnel? - Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a container have the same prefix/suffix - i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable Regards, Tarek ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > From nobody Wed May 29 03:02:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816CB1200B1; Wed, 29 May 2019 03:02:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.191 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.191 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDDkXomYIWtH; Wed, 29 May 2019 03:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF9E812002E; Wed, 29 May 2019 03:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 5400CC6617639E4CEF93; Wed, 29 May 2019 11:02:23 +0100 (IST) Received: from LHREML504-MBS.china.huawei.com ([10.201.109.59]) by lhreml702-cah.china.huawei.com ([10.201.108.43]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 29 May 2019 11:02:20 +0100 From: Italo Busi To: tom petch , "netmod@ietf.org" CC: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries Thread-Index: AQHVFfphMHsTseJ1T0S+porZBJo1ZKaB3nKA Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 10:02:19 +0000 Message-ID: <91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774DF6C@lhreml504-mbs> References: <91E3A1BD737FDF4FA14118387FF6766B2774D314@lhreml504-mbs> <017f01d515f9$d0c662c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> In-Reply-To: <017f01d515f9$d0c662c0$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.203.246.126] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 10:02:28 -0000 Hi Tom, Thanks for your reply It seems to me that the text you have quoted is from: https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/rfc7950#section-6.2 If I can understand correctly, especially for section 6.2.1, this constrain= ts does not apply to name attributes whose syntax is defined as a string an= d used as key of a list, such as the tunnel list defined in the TE YANG mod= el: | +--rw tunnel* [name] | | +--ro operational-state? identityref | | +--rw name string My understanding is that a tunnel list entry with a name starting with '#' = can exist in a YANG DS Thanks, Italo -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]=20 Sent: mercoled=EC 29 maggio 2019 10:42 To: Italo Busi ; netmod@ietf.org Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list e= ntries Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo Busi" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:16 PM Subject: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entri= es On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an issue which seems generi= c and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the Netmod WG In the TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list with a name attribute us= ed as a key: | +--rw tunnel* [name] | | +--ro operational-state? identityref | | +--rw name string See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21 The issue we are facing is how to avoid name collision between configured a= nd ephemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying to address is= how to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a name which have= been already assigned by the server to another ephemeral tunnel and vice-v= ersa, in particular considering NMDA rules We believe that the issue is generic and apply to any configured and epheme= ral list entries Has this issue been already discussed/resolved in Netmod WG? If not, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? We are currently consider= ing the following option: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are= prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can= be "#" and user can change if they desire.. If this is to conform with YANG 1.1, RFC7950, then the constraint is Identifiers are used to identify different kinds of YANG items by name. Each identifier starts with an uppercase or lowercase ASCII letter or an underscore character, followed by zero or more ASCII letters, digits, underscore characters, hyphens, and dots. No # (hash) anywhere so I suspect that a lot of tooling will fail in an unp= redictable way if it encounters an illegal character in an identifier. Tom Petch Thanks, Italo Italo Busi Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer Huawei Technologies C= o., Ltd. Tel : +39 345 4721946 Email : italo.busi@huawei.com [cid:image002.png@01D5149F.354EF420] This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWE= I, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed = above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, b= ut not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or disseminat= ion) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please not= ify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! From: Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com] Sent: venerd=EC 24 maggio 2019 23:13 To: Igor Bryskin ; Rakesh Gandhi ; Xufeng ; Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; Italo Busi Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Discussion on modelling container TE tunnels in YANG The team on "to" list met to discuss this subject topic. Notes from today's= discussion (please add if I missed): Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels: This is a generic problem in NMDA. How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the object (string based) name as the key? Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but they are = different objects - how to avoid such collision. Proposed solution: Option 1: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are= prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can= be "#" and user can change if they desire.. Others? AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group. Container TE tunnels discussion: - Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same 2 endpoints to share incoming traffic towards the egress - Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be auto-created/deleted on-demand and controlled by thresholds specified under= the container - Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel and inherited down to member tunnels of the container - Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override inherited attributes from container tunnel? - Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a container have the same prefix/suffix - i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable Regards, Tarek ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > From nobody Wed May 29 04:04:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1489312008D; 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'string' type is a bit more flexible i.e. The string built-in type represents human-readable strings in YANG. Legal characters are the Unicode and ISO/IEC 10646 [ISO.10646] characters, including tab, carriage return, and line feed but excluding the other C0 control characters, the surrogate blocks, and the noncharacters. Plenty of scope there! If this approach is taken, then I agree that hash is a good choice as it stands out, unlike, say, underscore which vanishes in the line of text. Tom Petch Thanks, Italo -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] Sent: mercoled=EC 29 maggio 2019 10:42 To: Italo Busi ; netmod@ietf.org Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo Busi" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:16 PM Subject: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an issue which seems generic and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the Netmod WG In the TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list with a name attribute used as a key: | +--rw tunnel* [name] | | +--ro operational-state? identityref | | +--rw name string See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21 The issue we are facing is how to avoid name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying to address is how to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a name which have been already assigned by the server to another ephemeral tunnel and vice-versa, in particular considering NMDA rules We believe that the issue is generic and apply to any configured and ephemeral list entries Has this issue been already discussed/resolved in Netmod WG? If not, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? We are currently considering the following option: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can be "#" and user can change if they desire.. If this is to conform with YANG 1.1, RFC7950, then the constraint is Identifiers are used to identify different kinds of YANG items by name. Each identifier starts with an uppercase or lowercase ASCII letter or an underscore character, followed by zero or more ASCII letters, digits, underscore characters, hyphens, and dots. No # (hash) anywhere so I suspect that a lot of tooling will fail in an unpredictable way if it encounters an illegal character in an identifier. Tom Petch Thanks, Italo Italo Busi Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. Tel : +39 345 4721946 Email : italo.busi@huawei.com [cid:image002.png@01D5149F.354EF420] This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! From: Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com] Sent: venerd=EC 24 maggio 2019 23:13 To: Igor Bryskin ; Rakesh Gandhi ; Xufeng ; Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; Italo Busi Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Discussion on modelling container TE tunnels in YANG The team on "to" list met to discuss this subject topic. Notes from today's discussion (please add if I missed): Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels: This is a generic problem in NMDA. How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the object (string based) name as the key? Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but they are different objects - how to avoid such collision. Proposed solution: Option 1: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can be "#" and user can change if they desire.. Others? AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group. Container TE tunnels discussion: - Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same 2 endpoints to share incoming traffic towards the egress - Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be auto-created/deleted on-demand and controlled by thresholds specified under the container - Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel and inherited down to member tunnels of the container - Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override inherited attributes from container tunnel? - Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a container have the same prefix/suffix - i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable Regards, Tarek ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > From nobody Wed May 29 04:04:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4777212008D; 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Possibly using a human readable prefix (or suffix) might be better than usi= ng a symbol. E.g. perhaps a prefix of "sys-" as an abbreviation for system. Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Teas On Behalf Of tom petch Sent: 29 May 2019 12:04 To: Italo Busi ; netmod@ietf.org Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral= list entries ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo Busi" Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:02 AM Hi Tom, Thanks for your reply It seems to me that the text you have quoted is from: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-6.2 If I can understand correctly, especially for section 6.2.1, this constrain= ts does not apply to name attributes whose syntax is defined as a string an= d used as key of a list, such as the tunnel list defined in the TE YANG mod= el: | +--rw tunnel* [name] | | +--ro operational-state? identityref | | +--rw name string My understanding is that a tunnel list entry with a name starting with '#' = can exist in a YANG DS Italo Ah yes, my misunderstanding. 'string' type is a bit more flexible i.e. The string built-in type represents human-readable strings in YANG. Legal characters are the Unicode and ISO/IEC 10646 [ISO.10646] characters, including tab, carriage return, and line feed but excluding the other C0 control characters, the surrogate blocks, and the noncharacters. Plenty of scope there! If this approach is taken, then I agree that hash is a good choice as it st= ands out, unlike, say, underscore which vanishes in the line of text. Tom Petch Thanks, Italo -----Original Message----- From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com] Sent: mercoled=EC 29 maggio 2019 10:42 To: Italo Busi ; netmod@ietf.org Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list e= ntries Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Italo Busi" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:16 PM Subject: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entri= es On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an issue which seems generi= c and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the Netmod WG In the TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list with a name attribute us= ed as a key: | +--rw tunnel* [name] | | +--ro operational-state? identityref | | +--rw name string See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21 The issue we are facing is how to avoid name collision between configured a= nd ephemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying to address is= how to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a name which have= been already assigned by the server to another ephemeral tunnel and vice-v= ersa, in particular considering NMDA rules We believe that the issue is generic and apply to any configured and epheme= ral list entries Has this issue been already discussed/resolved in Netmod WG? If not, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? We are currently consider= ing the following option: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are= prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can= be "#" and user can change if they desire.. If this is to conform with YANG 1.1, RFC7950, then the constraint is Identifiers are used to identify different kinds of YANG items by name. Each identifier starts with an uppercase or lowercase ASCII letter or an underscore character, followed by zero or more ASCII letters, digits, underscore characters, hyphens, and dots. No # (hash) anywhere so I suspect that a lot of tooling will fail in an unp= redictable way if it encounters an illegal character in an identifier. Tom Petch Thanks, Italo Italo Busi Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer Huawei Technologies C= o., Ltd. Tel : +39 345 4721946 Email : italo.busi@huawei.com [cid:image002.png@01D5149F.354EF420] This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWE= I, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed = above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, b= ut not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or disseminat= ion) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please not= ify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it! From: Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com] Sent: venerd=EC 24 maggio 2019 23:13 To: Igor Bryskin ; Rakesh Gandhi ; Xufeng ; Vishnu Pavan Beeram ; Italo Busi Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: Discussion on modelling container TE tunnels in YANG The team on "to" list met to discuss this subject topic. Notes from today's= discussion (please add if I missed): Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels: This is a generic problem in NMDA. How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the object (string based) name as the key? Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but they are = different objects - how to avoid such collision. Proposed solution: Option 1: Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names always are= prepended by special character "#" Make the special character changeable by configuration - the default can= be "#" and user can change if they desire.. Others? AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group. Container TE tunnels discussion: - Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same 2 endpoints to share incoming traffic towards the egress - Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be auto-created/deleted on-demand and controlled by thresholds specified under= the container - Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel and inherited down to member tunnels of the container - Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override inherited attributes from container tunnel? - Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a container have the same prefix/suffix - i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable Regards, Tarek ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Wed May 29 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X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:22:42 -0000 Hi,     We'd like move this document forward and see two issues that should be addressed before LC. 1) We think Informational is really the right Intended status for this work 2) We think that the document should note that it does not consider the DetNet Uses Cases[RFC8578]  or the DetNet IP data plane [draft-ietf-detnet-ip] and that both are out of the document's scope. Once these changes are made we can start the LC process. 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 22:03:38 -0000 --000000000000a84581058a362fa6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Pavan, No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Young On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 1:54 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Pavan and Lou > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --000000000000a84581058a362fa6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pavan,

No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Young


On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 1:54 AM= Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupav= an@gmail.com> wrote:
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for polling for WG doc= ument adoption= :

Are you aware of any IPR that applies = to draft identified above?

=C2=A0 Please state either:

=C2=A0 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR= that applies to this draft"
=C2=A0 or
=C2=A0 "Yes, I'm aware of IPR= that applies to this draft"

If so, has this <= span class=3D"m_5238436364944033215gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_68283672667= 80897085gmail-il">IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

=C2=A0 "Yes, the IPR has been dis= closed in compliance with IETF IPR rul= es"
=C2=A0 or
=C2=A0 "No, the IPR has not been = disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
=C2=A0 appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR.=C2=A0 This = document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor.=C2=A0 NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE&= #39;S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages yo= u to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF cont= ribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information,= please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.iet= f.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Pavan and Lou
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