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        Title           : Scenario, Simulation and Suggestion of PCE in Native IP Network
        Authors         : Aijun Wang
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                          Caixia Kou
                          Zhenqiang Li
                          Penghui Mi
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Abstract:
   This document describes the scenarios, simulation and suggestions for
   PCE in native IP network, which integrates the merit of distributed
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Hi, Lou, Pavan and all experts within TEAS:

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We have updated the draft according to the requirements from the WG =
chair.=20

We have investigated the contents of DetNet use case[RFC8678]
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8578>  and its solution
draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-ip-02
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-ip-02> , and =
confirmed
that they are out of the scope of this draft and corresponding solution
draft [draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip-03
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip-03> ].

=20

However, we think there exist cooperative opportunities in future for =
these
standards, because DetNet rely on the differentiated capabilities of
underlay network.

=20

After the above updates, we think this draft is ready for last call =
within
the WG.

Thanks in advance for your efforts.

=20

=20

Best Regards.

=20

Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, =
China.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and
Signaling WG of the IETF.

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        Title           : Scenario, Simulation and Suggestion of PCE in
Native IP Network

        Authors         : Aijun Wang

                          Xiaohong Huang

                          Caixia Kou

                          Zhenqiang Li

                          Penghui Mi

         Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04.txt

         Pages           : 13

         Date            : 2019-06-03

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Abstract:

   This document describes the scenarios, simulation and suggestions for

   PCE in native IP network, which integrates the merit of distributed

   protocols (IGP/BGP), and the power of centrally control technologies

   (PCE/SDN) to provide one feasible traffic engineering solution in

   various complex scenarios for the service provider.

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 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios/>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios/

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class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>We have updated the draft =
according to the requirements from the WG chair. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>We have =
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solution <a =
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scope of this draft and corresponding solution draft [<a =
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ft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip-03</a>].<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>However, we think there exist =
cooperative opportunities in future for these standards, because DetNet =
rely on the differentiated capabilities of underlay =
network.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>After the above updates, we think this draft is ready for =
last call within the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>Thanks in advance for your =
efforts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Best Regards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>Aijun =
Wang<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Network R&amp;D and Operation Support =
Department<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research =
Institute,Beijing, China.</span><span =
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lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
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lang=3DEN-US>6</span><span =
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15:59<br></span><span =
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lang=3DEN-US>: [Teas] I-D Action: =
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>A New Internet-Draft is =
available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering =
Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Title&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : =
Scenario, Simulation and Suggestion of PCE in Native IP =
Network<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Authors&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Aijun =
Wang<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Xiaohong Huang<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Caixia Kou<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Zhenqiang Li<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;Penghui Mi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Filename&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : =
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Pages&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : =
13<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : =
2019-06-03<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Abstract:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; This document =
describes the scenarios, simulation and suggestions =
for<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; PCE in native IP network, which integrates the =
merit of distributed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; protocols (IGP/BGP), and the power of =
centrally control technologies<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; (PCE/SDN) to =
provide one feasible traffic engineering solution =
in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;&nbsp; various complex scenarios for the service =
provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft =
is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenar=
ios/"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://datatracker.ietf.=
org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
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lang=3DEN-US>There are also htmlized versions available =
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4"><span =
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><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US><a =
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cenarios-04"><span =
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org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04</span></a><o:p></o:p>=
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iff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04</span></a><o:p></o:p></=
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Hi Tom,

The compatibility of the two methods is discussed in section 3 of
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications=
-22>
ns-22
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications=
-22>
.

There is a way to avoid the method of RFC5277 by using the method of
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications=
-22>
ns-22
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications=
-22>;
however, referencing RFC 5277 into the draft would not necessarily be a big
issue. What do you think?

Thanks.
Young

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 4:57 PM tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Young Lee" <leeyoung@futurewei.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt
>
>
> > Hi Dieter,
> >
> > I think we can add RFC 5277 as a reference. It seems that both RFC5277
> and
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio
> ns-22
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio=
ns-22>
> are compatible to each other.
>
>
> Not really; look at
> draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-26
> s.1.4.  RFC5277 has been superseded, but not obsoleted, by a whole raft
> of I-D which provide a different way of doing things; an implementation
> may do one, or the other, or both but compatible is not a word that I
> would use.  I think that the expectation is that the RFC5277 approach
> will wither away with time.
>
> Tom Petch
>
>
> > Thanks.
> > Young
> >
> >
> > From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)
> [mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 9:42 AM
> > To: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>
> > Cc: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>; TEAS WG
> <teas@ietf.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt
> >
> > Hi Young,
> >
> > I noticed that draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt does
> not reference
> RFC5277<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F=
%
> 2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Frfc5277%2F&data=3D02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40fut=
u
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O
> OnakUEUN8ED1b4%3D&reserved=3D0>: NETCONF Event Notifications
> >
> > It only references:
> >
> > =C2=B7
> draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.
> com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netconf-yang-=
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> >
> > =C2=B7
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=3D
> https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-n
> otifications&data=3D02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576=
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> d=3D0>netconf-event-notifications<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outl=
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> conf-event-notifications&data=3D02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futurewei.com%7Cbbe4=
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> 4%3D&reserved=3D0>
> >
> > Could you please explain why
> RFC5277<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F=
%
> 2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Frfc5277%2F&data=3D02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40fut=
u
> rewei.com%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5
> 591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C636950833574736148&sdata=3DC%2BBbysR%2FzdK4FPmbgq8AFzlc=
B
> HvM8F9tdrhz4uRetaY%3D&reserved=3D0> is not listed as normative reference
> what I had expected?
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dieter
> >
> >
> > On 24.05.2019 19:00, Leeyoung wrote:
> > Hi Pavan,
> >
> > Thanks for initiating this effort.
> >
> > Here=E2=80=99s how the revision incorporated Dieter=E2=80=99s comment. =
Please see
> =E2=80=9CYL>>=E2=80=9D for each comment.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Young
> >
> > >>
> snipped-----------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------
> > Hi Young,
> >
> > here are some more comments as promised:
> >
> > Other terms which are not defined are:
> > =C2=B7       scaling intent (the description in section 4 is very poor =
and
> does not describe what scaling intent is all about),
> > =C2=B7       network autonomics
> > YL>> In Section 1.1 we added the following terms:
> > Key Performance Data: This refers to a set of data the customer is
> >    interested in monitoring for their instantiated VNs or TE-tunnels.
> >    Key performance data and key performance indicators are inter-
> >    exchangeable in this draft.
> >
> >    Scaling: This refers to the network ability to re-shape its own
> >    resources. Scale out refers to improve network performance by
> >    increasing the allocated resources, while scale in refers to
> >    decrease the allocated resources, typically because the existing
> >    resources are unnecessary.
> >
> >    Scaling Intent: To declare scaling conditions, scaling intent is
> >    used. Specifically, scaling intent refers to the intent expressed
> by
> >    the client that allows the client to program/configure conditions
> of
> >    their key performance data either for scaling out or scaling in.
> >    Various conditions can be set for scaling intent on either VN or
> TE-
> >    tunnel level.
> >
> >    Network Autonomics: This refers to the network automation
> capability
> >    that allows client to initiate scaling intent mechanisms and
> >    provides the client with the status of the adjusted network
> >    resources based on the client's scaling intent in an automated
> >    fashion.
> >
> > The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport
> networks for many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters
> and PM history.
> > Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment
> and care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data  from
> classical PM data
> > unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an
> option.
> >
> >
> > YL>> In the Introduction section, we added the following paragraph to
> explain how we used PM in this draft:
> > The term performance monitoring being used in this document is
> >    different from the term that has been used in transport networks
> for
> >    many years. Performance monitoring in this document refers to
> >    subscription and publication of streaming telemetry data.
> >    Subscription is initiated by the client (e.g., CNC) while
> >    publication is provided by the network (e.g., MDSC/PNC) based on
> the
> >    client's subscription. As the scope of performance monitoring in
> >    this document is telemetry data on the level of client's VN or TE-
> >    tunnel, the entity interfacing the client (e.g., MDSC) has to
> >    provide VN or TE-tunnel level information. This would require
> >    controller capability to derive VN or TE-tunnel level performance
> >    data based on lower-level data collected via PM counters in the
> >    Network Elements (NE). How the controller entity derives such
> >    customized level data (i.e., VN or TE-tunnel level) is out of the
> >    scope of this document.
> >
> > Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of
> "scaling intent" in order to understand what it means:
> >
> >    Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client to
> >
> >    configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on both the
> >
> >    TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set for auto-
> >
> >    scaling based on the PM telemetry data.
> >
> > YL>> As added in Section 1.1,
> > Scaling Intent: To declare scaling conditions, scaling intent is
> >    used. Specifically, scaling intent refers to the intent expressed
> by
> >    the client that allows the client to program/configure conditions
> of
> >    their key performance data either for scaling out or scaling in.
> >    Various conditions can be set for scaling intent on either VN or
> TE-
> >    tunnel level.
> >
> > What are the "automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms"? What are
> the configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally
> unclear to me:
> >
> >    There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism:
> >
> >
> >
> >      . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or
> >
> >         scale-in.
> >
> > YL>> At the end of Section 4, we have the following text:
> >
> >
> >
> > There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism:
> >
> >
> >
> >      . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or
> >
> >         scale-in.
> >
> >      . performance-type: performance metric type (e.g., one-way-delay,
> >
> >         one-way-delay-min, one-way-delay-max, two-way-delay, two-way-
> >
> >         delay-min, two-way-delay-max, utilized bandwidth, etc.)
> >
> >      . threshold-value: the threshold value for a certain performance-
> >
> >         type that triggers scale-in or scale-out.
> >
> >      . scaling-operation-type: in case where scaling condition can be
> >
> >         set with one or more performance types, then
> scaling-operation-
> >
> >         type (AND, OR, MIN, MAX, etc.) is applied to these selected
> >
> >         performance types and its threshold values.
> >
> >      . Threshold-time: the duration for which the criteria must hold
> >
> >         true.
> >
> >      . Cooldown-time: the duration after a scaling action has been
> >
> >         triggered, for which there will be no further operation.
> >
> >
> > The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either:
> >
> >    module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry
> >
> >      augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel:
> >
> >        +-rw te-scaling-intent
> >
> >        |  +-rw scale-in-intent
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw threshold-time?            uint32
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw cooldown-time?             uint32
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw scale-in-operation-type?
> scaling-criteria-operation
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type]
> >
> >        |  |     +-rw performance-type           identityref
> >
> >        |  |     +-rw threshold-value?           string
> >
> >        |  |     +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref?
> >
> >                    -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name
> >
> >        |  +-rw scale-out-intent
> >
> >        |     +-rw threshold-time?             uint32
> >
> >        |     +-rw cooldown-time?              uint32
> >
> >        |     +-rw scale-out-operation-type?
> scaling-criteria-operation
> >
> >        |     +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type]
> >
> >        |        +-rw performance-type           identityref
> >
> >        |        +-rw threshold-value?           string
> >
> >        |        +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref?
> >
> >                    -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name
> >
> >
> > The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time,
> scale-in-operation-type) are not explained.
> >
> > YL>> Please see the previous comments.
> >
> > My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The
> concerns I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dieter
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18.04.2019 20:58, Dieter Beller wrote:
> > Hi Young,
> >
> > here is my very first comment:
> >
> > The abstract reads:
> >
> > Abstract
> >
> >
> >
> >    This document provides YANG data models that describe performance
> >
> >    monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels
> and
> >
> >    Virtual Networks (VN).
> >
> >
> >
> >    The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to
> >
> >    and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the
> >
> >    level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with
> the
> >
> >    ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level
> >
> >    of TE-tunnel as well as VN.
> > When I tried to find the definition of the term "key performance data"
> I failed. The terminology section reads:
> >
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> >
> >    Refer to
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> >
> >    in this document.
> >
> > The term "key performance data" is not defined in section 1.1 nor in
> the referenced RFSs!
> > Frankly speaking, I have no clue what "key performance data" is.
> >
> > This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague.
> >
> > More comments will follow.
> >
> > YL>> Add this in Section 1.1:
> > Key Performance Data: This refers to a set of data the customer is
> >    interested in monitoring for their instantiated VNs or TE-tunnels.
> >    Key performance data and key performance indicators are inter-
> >    exchangeable in this draft.
> >
> >
> > From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 11:58 PM
> > To: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com><mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>;
> Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE)
> <dieter.beller@nokia.com><mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com>
> > Cc: TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org><mailto:teas@ietf.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt
> >
> > Young,
> > Thanks for bringing the offline discussion to the list. Please discuss
> (on the list) how the changes in the latest revision address all of
> Dieter's comments.
> >
> > Dieter,
> > Please do confirm on the list if there are no further open issues to
> discuss.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Pavan
> >
> > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 11:50 AM Leeyoung
> <leeyoung@huawei.com<mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This revision incorporated Dieter's comments (exchanged privately ---
> see the attachment for this content of Dieter's comments).
> >
> > If there are still further comments before being ready for WG
> adoption, we'd appreciate your providing comments in a timely manner.
> >
> > Thanks & Best regards,
> > Young (on behalf of co-authors)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 11:43 AM
> > To: Daniele Ceccarelli
> <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com<mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
> >; Satish Karunanithi
> <satish.karunanithi@gmail.com<mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com>>;
> Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com<mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>>; Dhruv Dhody
> <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com<mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>>; Daniel King
> <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk<mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>>; Ricard Vilata
> <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es<mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>>; Ricard Vilalta
> <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es<mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>>
> > Subject: New Version Notification for
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D,
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt
> > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF
> repository.
> >
> > Name:           draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics
> > Revision:       17
> > Title:          YANG models for VN & TE Performance Monitoring
> Telemetry and Scaling Intent Autonomics
> > Document date:  2019-05-08
> > Group:          Individual Submission
> > Pages:          30
> > URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-au
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> >
> > Abstract:
> >    This document provides YANG data models that describe performance
> >    monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels
> and
> >    Virtual Networks (VN).
> >
> >    The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to
> >    and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the
> >    level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with
> the
> >    ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level
> >    of TE-tunnel as well as VN.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
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> >
> > The IETF Secretariat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: "Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)"
> <dieter.beller@nokia.com<mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com>>
> > To: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com<mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>>
> > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs
> <teas-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:teas-chairs@ietf.org>>, "King, Daniel"
> <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk<mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>>, Daniele
> Ceccarelli
> <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com<mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
> >
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:06:20 +0000
> > Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt
> > Hi Young,
> >
> > here are some more comments as promised:
> >
> > Other terms which are not defined are:
> > =C2=B7       scaling intent (the description in section 4 is very poor =
and
> does not describe what scaling intent is all about),
> > =C2=B7       network autonomics
> >
> > The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport
> networks for many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters
> and PM history.
> > Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment
> and care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data  from
> classical PM data
> > unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an
> option.
> >
> > Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of
> "scaling intent" in order to understand what it means:
> >
> >    Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client to
> >
> >    configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on both the
> >
> >    TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set for auto-
> >
> >    scaling based on the PM telemetry data.
> >
> > What are the "automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms"? What are
> the configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally
> unclear to me:
> >
> >    There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism:
> >
> >
> >
> >      . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to scale-out or
> >
> >         scale-in.
> > The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either:
> >
> >    module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry
> >
> >      augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel:
> >
> >        +-rw te-scaling-intent
> >
> >        |  +-rw scale-in-intent
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw threshold-time?            uint32
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw cooldown-time?             uint32
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw scale-in-operation-type?
> scaling-criteria-operation
> >
> >        |  |  +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type]
> >
> >        |  |     +-rw performance-type           identityref
> >
> >        |  |     +-rw threshold-value?           string
> >
> >        |  |     +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref?
> >
> >                    -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name
> >
> >        |  +-rw scale-out-intent
> >
> >        |     +-rw threshold-time?             uint32
> >
> >        |     +-rw cooldown-time?              uint32
> >
> >        |     +-rw scale-out-operation-type?
> scaling-criteria-operation
> >
> >        |     +-rw scaling-condition* [performance-type]
> >
> >        |        +-rw performance-type           identityref
> >
> >        |        +-rw threshold-value?           string
> >
> >        |        +-rw te-telemetry-tunnel-ref?
> >
> >                    -> /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name
> >
> >
> > The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time,
> scale-in-operation-type) are not explained.
> >
> >
> > My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The
> concerns I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dieter
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18.04.2019 20:58, Dieter Beller wrote:
> > Hi Young,
> >
> > here is my very first comment:
> >
> > The abstract reads:
> >
> > Abstract
> >
> >
> >
> >    This document provides YANG data models that describe performance
> >
> >    monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-tunnels
> and
> >
> >    Virtual Networks (VN).
> >
> >
> >
> >    The models presented in this draft allow customers to subscribe to
> >
> >    and monitor their key performance data of their interest on the
> >
> >    level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide customers with
> the
> >
> >    ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on the level
> >
> >    of TE-tunnel as well as VN.
> > When I tried to find the definition of the term "key performance data"
> I failed. The terminology section reads:
> >
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> >
> >    in this document.
> >
> > The term "key performance data" is not defined in section 1.1 nor in
> the referenced RFSs!
> > Frankly speaking, I have no clue what "key performance data" is.
> >
> > This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague.
> >
> > More comments will follow.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dieter
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18.04.2019 18:56, Dieter Beller wrote:
> > Hi Young,
> >
> > I will have a look at the latest version. Unfortunately, I was not
> able to find the necessary time yet.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dieter
> >
> >
> > On 18.04.2019 18:27, Leeyoung wrote:
> >
> > Hi Pavan and Lou,
> >
> >
> >
> > To recap, the revision addressed all your comments in Prague meeting
> on the generalization of this draft so that it would be applicable in
> general contexts. And thanks to Tom, all other comments have been
> incorporated to improve the draft.
> >
> >
> >
> > The co-authors believe that this is ready for WG adoption. Please let
> us know if this is the case; otherwise, let us know what needs further
> to be done.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks & Best regards,
> >
> > Young (on behalf of co-authors)
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>
> [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:18 AM
> >
> > To: Daniele Ceccarelli
> <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com><mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com
> >; Satish Karunanithi
> <satish.karunanithi@gmail.com><mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com>;
> Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com><mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com>; Dhruv Dhody
> <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com><mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>; Daniel King
> <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk><mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>; Ricard Vilata
> <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es><mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>; Ricard Vilalta
> <ricard.vilalta@cttc.es><mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>
> >
> > Subject: New Version Notification for
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A new version of I-D,
> draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt
> >
> > has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF
> repository.
> >
> >
> >
> > Name:         draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics
> >
> > Revision:  16
> >
> > Title:        YANG models for VN & TE Performance Monitoring Telemetry
> and Scaling Intent Autonomics
> >
> > Document date:   2019-04-18
> >
> > Group:        Individual Submission
> >
> > Pages:            29
> >
> > URL:
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi Tom,<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The =
compatibility of the two methods is discussed in section 3 of=C2=A0<a href=
=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notificati=
ons-22" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" targ=
et=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-=
notificatio</a><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-ne=
tconf-event-notifications-22" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif" rel=3D"noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ns-22</a>.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">There is a way to avoid the method of RFC5277 =
by using the method of=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie=
tf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-22" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iet=
f-netconf-netconf-event-notificatio</a></div><div dir=3D"auto"><a href=3D"h=
ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-2=
2" style=3D"font-family:sans-serif" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ns=
-22</a>; however, referencing RFC 5277 into the draft would not necessarily=
 be a big issue. What do you think?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">Thanks.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Young</div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 4,=
 2019, 4:57 PM tom petch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietfa@btconnect.com" rel=3D"=
noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">ietfa@btconnect.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----- Original Message -----<br>
From: &quot;Young Lee&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@futurewei.com" r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">leeyoung@futurewe=
i.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2019 2:26 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Dieter,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think we can add RFC 5277 as a reference. It seems that both RFC5277=
<br>
and<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-not=
ifications-22" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-no=
tificatio<br>
ns-22</a> are compatible to each other.<br>
<br>
<br>
Not really; look at<br>
draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-26<br>
s.1.4.=C2=A0 RFC5277 has been superseded, but not obsoleted, by a whole raf=
t<br>
of I-D which provide a different way of doing things; an implementation<br>
may do one, or the other, or both but compatible is not a word that I<br>
would use.=C2=A0 I think that the expectation is that the RFC5277 approach<=
br>
will wither away with time.<br>
<br>
Tom Petch<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; Young<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)<br>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com" rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dieter.beller@nokia.com</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 9:42 AM<br>
&gt; To: Leeyoung &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
&gt; Cc: Vishnu Pavan Beeram &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com" r=
el=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">vishnupavan@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;; TEAS WG<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi Young,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I noticed that draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt does=
<br>
not reference<br>
RFC5277&lt;<a href=3D"https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">2Fdatatracker.ietf.org</a>%2Fdoc%2Frfc=
5277%2F&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futu<br>
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0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5<br>
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OnakUEUN8ED1b4%3D&amp;reserved=3D0&gt;: NETCONF Event Notifications<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; It only references:<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt; Could you please explain why<br>
RFC5277&lt;<a href=3D"https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
=3Dhttps%3A%2F%" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
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2F%</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://2Fdatatracker.ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">2Fdatatracker.ietf.org</a>%2Fdoc%2Frfc=
5277%2F&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cleeyoung%40futu<br>
<a href=3D"http://rewei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">rewei.com</a>%7Cbbe475a1a6a14576637008d6e7688baf%7C=
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ence<br>
what I had expected?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Dieter<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 24.05.2019 19:00, Leeyoung wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Pavan,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks for initiating this effort.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here=E2=80=99s how the revision incorporated Dieter=E2=80=99s comment.=
 Please see<br>
=E2=80=9CYL&gt;&gt;=E2=80=9D for each comment.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks.<br>
&gt; Young<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
snipped-----------------------------------------------------------------<br=
>
----------------------<br>
&gt; Hi Young,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; here are some more comments as promised:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Other terms which are not defined are:<br>
&gt; =C2=B7=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0scaling intent (the description in se=
ction 4 is very poor and<br>
does not describe what scaling intent is all about),<br>
&gt; =C2=B7=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0network autonomics<br>
&gt; YL&gt;&gt; In Section 1.1 we added the following terms:<br>
&gt; Key Performance Data: This refers to a set of data the customer is<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 interested in monitoring for their instantiated VNs or TE=
-tunnels.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Key performance data and key performance indicators are i=
nter-<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 exchangeable in this draft.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Scaling: This refers to the network ability to re-shape i=
ts own<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 resources. Scale out refers to improve network performanc=
e by<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 increasing the allocated resources, while scale in refers=
 to<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 decrease the allocated resources, typically because the e=
xisting<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 resources are unnecessary.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Scaling Intent: To declare scaling conditions, scaling in=
tent is<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 used. Specifically, scaling intent refers to the intent e=
xpressed<br>
by<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the client that allows the client to program/configure co=
nditions<br>
of<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 their key performance data either for scaling out or scal=
ing in.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Various conditions can be set for scaling intent on eithe=
r VN or<br>
TE-<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 tunnel level.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Network Autonomics: This refers to the network automation=
<br>
capability<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 that allows client to initiate scaling intent mechanisms =
and<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 provides the client with the status of the adjusted netwo=
rk<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 resources based on the client&#39;s scaling intent in an =
automated<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 fashion.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport<br>
networks for many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters<br>
and PM history.<br>
&gt; Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment=
<br>
and care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data=C2=A0 from=
<br>
classical PM data<br>
&gt; unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an<br>
option.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; YL&gt;&gt; In the Introduction section, we added the following paragra=
ph to<br>
explain how we used PM in this draft:<br>
&gt; The term performance monitoring being used in this document is<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 different from the term that has been used in transport n=
etworks<br>
for<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 many years. Performance monitoring in this document refer=
s to<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 subscription and publication of streaming telemetry data.=
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Subscription is initiated by the client (e.g., CNC) while=
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 publication is provided by the network (e.g., MDSC/PNC) b=
ased on<br>
the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 client&#39;s subscription. As the scope of performance mo=
nitoring in<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 this document is telemetry data on the level of client&#3=
9;s VN or TE-<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 tunnel, the entity interfacing the client (e.g., MDSC) ha=
s to<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 provide VN or TE-tunnel level information. This would req=
uire<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 controller capability to derive VN or TE-tunnel level per=
formance<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 data based on lower-level data collected via PM counters =
in the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Network Elements (NE). How the controller entity derives =
such<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 customized level data (i.e., VN or TE-tunnel level) is ou=
t of the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 scope of this document.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of=
<br>
&quot;scaling intent&quot; in order to understand what it means:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client =
to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on =
both the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set=
 for auto-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 scaling based on the PM telemetry data.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; YL&gt;&gt; As added in Section 1.1,<br>
&gt; Scaling Intent: To declare scaling conditions, scaling intent is<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 used. Specifically, scaling intent refers to the intent e=
xpressed<br>
by<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the client that allows the client to program/configure co=
nditions<br>
of<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 their key performance data either for scaling out or scal=
ing in.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Various conditions can be set for scaling intent on eithe=
r VN or<br>
TE-<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 tunnel level.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; What are the &quot;automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms&quot;? =
What are<br>
the configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally<br>
unclear to me:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanis=
m:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to =
scale-out or<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0scale-in.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; YL&gt;&gt; At the end of Section 4, we have the following text:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanism:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to =
scale-out or<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0scale-in.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . performance-type: performance metric type (e.g.,=
 one-way-delay,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0one-way-delay-min, one-way-delay-max,=
 two-way-delay, two-way-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0delay-min, two-way-delay-max, utilize=
d bandwidth, etc.)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . threshold-value: the threshold value for a certa=
in performance-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type that triggers scale-in or scale-=
out.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . scaling-operation-type: in case where scaling co=
ndition can be<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0set with one or more performance type=
s, then<br>
scaling-operation-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type (AND, OR, MIN, MAX, etc.) is app=
lied to these selected<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0performance types and its threshold v=
alues.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . Threshold-time: the duration for which the crite=
ria must hold<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0true.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . Cooldown-time: the duration after a scaling acti=
on has been<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0triggered, for which there will be no=
 further operation.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw te-scaling-intent<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scale-in-intent<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw threshold-time?=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw cooldown-time?=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scale-in-operation-typ=
e?<br>
scaling-criteria-operation<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scaling-condition* [pe=
rformance-type]<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw performan=
ce-type=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identityref<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw threshold=
-value?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw te-teleme=
try-tunnel-ref?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=
&gt; /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scale-out-intent<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw threshold-time?=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw cooldown-time?=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw scale-out-operati=
on-type?<br>
scaling-criteria-operation<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw scaling-condition=
* [performance-type]<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw performan=
ce-type=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identityref<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw threshold=
-value?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw te-teleme=
try-tunnel-ref?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=
&gt; /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time,<br>
scale-in-operation-type) are not explained.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; YL&gt;&gt; Please see the previous comments.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The<br>
concerns I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Dieter<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 18.04.2019 20:58, Dieter Beller wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Young,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; here is my very first comment:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The abstract reads:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Abstract<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document provides YANG data models that describe per=
formance<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-=
tunnels<br>
and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Virtual Networks (VN).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The models presented in this draft allow customers to sub=
scribe to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and monitor their key performance data of their interest =
on the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide custome=
rs with<br>
the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on =
the level<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of TE-tunnel as well as VN.<br>
&gt; When I tried to find the definition of the term &quot;key performance =
data&quot;<br>
I failed. The terminology section reads:<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in this document.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The term &quot;key performance data&quot; is not defined in section 1.=
1 nor in<br>
the referenced RFSs!<br>
&gt; Frankly speaking, I have no clue what &quot;key performance data&quot;=
 is.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; More comments will follow.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; YL&gt;&gt; Add this in Section 1.1:<br>
&gt; Key Performance Data: This refers to a set of data the customer is<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 interested in monitoring for their instantiated VNs or TE=
-tunnels.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Key performance data and key performance indicators are i=
nter-<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 exchangeable in this draft.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.=
com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">vishnupavan=
@gmail.com</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2019 11:58 PM<br>
&gt; To: Leeyoung &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" rel=3D"norefer=
rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&gt;&lt=
;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&gt;;<br>
Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE)<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dieter.beller@nokia.com</a>&gt;&lt;mailto:<a=
 href=3D"mailto:dieter.beller@nokia.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">dieter.beller@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Cc: TEAS WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer nor=
eferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;&lt;mailto:<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Young,<br>
&gt; Thanks for bringing the offline discussion to the list. Please discuss=
<br>
(on the list) how the changes in the latest revision address all of<br>
Dieter&#39;s comments.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Dieter,<br>
&gt; Please do confirm on the list if there are no further open issues to<b=
r>
discuss.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; -Pavan<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 11:50 AM Leeyoung<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer nor=
eferrer" target=3D"_blank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mai=
lto:leeyoung@huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This revision incorporated Dieter&#39;s comments (exchanged privately =
---<br>
see the attachment for this content of Dieter&#39;s comments).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If there are still further comments before being ready for WG<br>
adoption, we&#39;d appreciate your providing comments in a timely manner.<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks &amp; Best regards,<br>
&gt; Young (on behalf of co-authors)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&lt;mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
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referrer" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;]<br>
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 11:43 AM<br>
&gt; To: Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>&=
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rer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;; Satish Karunanithi<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
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&gt; Subject: New Version Notification for<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A new version of I-D,<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17.txt<br>
&gt; has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF<br=
>
repository.<br>
&gt;<br>
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elemetry-autonomics<br>
&gt; Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A017<br>
&gt; Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG models for VN &amp; TE P=
erformance Monitoring<br>
Telemetry and Scaling Intent Autonomics<br>
&gt; Document date:=C2=A0 2019-05-08<br>
&gt; Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission<br>
&gt; Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 30<br>
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&gt;<br>
&gt; Abstract:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document provides YANG data models that describe per=
formance<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-=
tunnels<br>
and<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Virtual Networks (VN).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The models presented in this draft allow customers to sub=
scribe to<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and monitor their key performance data of their interest =
on the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide custome=
rs with<br>
the<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on =
the level<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of TE-tunnel as well as VN.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt; ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Beller, Dieter (Nokia - DE/Stuttgart)&quot;<br>
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m</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Bcc:<br>
&gt; Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:06:20 +0000<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt<br>
&gt; Hi Young,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; here are some more comments as promised:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Other terms which are not defined are:<br>
&gt; =C2=B7=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0scaling intent (the description in se=
ction 4 is very poor and<br>
does not describe what scaling intent is all about),<br>
&gt; =C2=B7=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0network autonomics<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The term performance monitoring (PM) is being used in transport<br>
networks for many years and typically relates to 15min/24h PM counters<br>
and PM history.<br>
&gt; Streaming telemetry data is rather new for transport network equipment=
<br>
and care should be taken to distinguish streaming telemetry data=C2=A0 from=
<br>
classical PM data<br>
&gt; unless the classical PM counters are streamed, which is also an<br>
option.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regarding the scaling intent: I was expecting to find a description of=
<br>
&quot;scaling intent&quot; in order to understand what it means:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Scaling intent configuration mechanism allows the client =
to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 configure automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms on =
both the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TE-tunnel and the VN level. Various conditions can be set=
 for auto-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 scaling based on the PM telemetry data.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; What are the &quot;automatic scale-in and scale-out mechanisms&quot;? =
What are<br>
the configuration parameters of these mechanisms? This is totally<br>
unclear to me:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are a number of parameters involved in the mechanis=
m:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . scale-out-intent or scale-in-intent: whether to =
scale-out or<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0scale-in.<br>
&gt; The tree view in section 4 is not providing any clarity either:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 module: ietf-te-kpi-telemetry<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 augment /te:te/te:tunnels/te:tunnel:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw te-scaling-intent<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scale-in-intent<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw threshold-time?=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw cooldown-time?=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scale-in-operation-typ=
e?<br>
scaling-criteria-operation<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scaling-condition* [pe=
rformance-type]<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw performan=
ce-type=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identityref<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw threshold=
-value?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw te-teleme=
try-tunnel-ref?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=
&gt; /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +-rw scale-out-intent<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw threshold-time?=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw cooldown-time?=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 uint32<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw scale-out-operati=
on-type?<br>
scaling-criteria-operation<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+-rw scaling-condition=
* [performance-type]<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw performan=
ce-type=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0identityref<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw threshold=
-value?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0string<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-rw te-teleme=
try-tunnel-ref?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -=
&gt; /te:te/tunnels/tunnel/name<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The meaning of the attributes (e.g. cooldown-time,<br>
scale-in-operation-type) are not explained.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My conclusion: this document is not ready yet for WG adoption. The<br>
concerns I raised at IETF104 wer not properly addressed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Dieter<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 18.04.2019 20:58, Dieter Beller wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Young,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; here is my very first comment:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The abstract reads:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Abstract<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document provides YANG data models that describe per=
formance<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-=
tunnels<br>
and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Virtual Networks (VN).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The models presented in this draft allow customers to sub=
scribe to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and monitor their key performance data of their interest =
on the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide custome=
rs with<br>
the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on =
the level<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of TE-tunnel as well as VN.<br>
&gt; When I tried to find the definition of the term &quot;key performance =
data&quot;<br>
I failed. The terminology section reads:<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Refer to<br>
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EcSBTmWog%3D&amp;reserved=3D0&gt;] for the key terms used<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in this document.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The term &quot;key performance data&quot; is not defined in section 1.=
1 nor in<br>
the referenced RFSs!<br>
&gt; Frankly speaking, I have no clue what &quot;key performance data&quot;=
 is.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; This is what I was criticizing when you presented the draft in Prague.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; More comments will follow.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Dieter<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 18.04.2019 18:56, Dieter Beller wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi Young,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I will have a look at the latest version. Unfortunately, I was not<br>
able to find the necessary time yet.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt; Dieter<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 18.04.2019 18:27, Leeyoung wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi Pavan and Lou,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; To recap, the revision addressed all your comments in Prague meeting<b=
r>
on the generalization of this draft so that it would be applicable in<br>
general contexts. And thanks to Tom, all other comments have been<br>
incorporated to improve the draft.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The co-authors believe that this is ready for WG adoption. Please let<=
br>
us know if this is the case; otherwise, let us know what needs further<br>
to be done.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks &amp; Best regards,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Young (on behalf of co-authors)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: <a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&lt;mail=
to:<a href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer=
 noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
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errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a>]<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:18 AM<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; To: Daniele Ceccarelli<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com" rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com</a>&=
gt;&lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com" rel=3D"nor=
eferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsso=
n.com</a><br>
&gt;; Satish Karunanithi<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">satish.karunanithi@gmail.com</a>&gt;&lt=
;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">satish.karunanithi@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;;<br>
Leeyoung &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noref=
errer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&gt;&lt;mailto:<=
a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">leeyoung@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Dhruv Dhody<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.dhody@huawei.com</a>&gt;&lt;mailto:<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:dhruv.dhody@huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">dhruv.dhody@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Daniel King<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">d.king@lancaster.ac.uk</a>&gt;&lt;mailto:<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:d.king@lancaster.ac.uk" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">d.king@lancaster.ac.uk</a>&gt;; Ricard Vilata<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer =
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ref=3D"mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferr=
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&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ricard.vilalta@cttc.es" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer =
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&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: New Version Notification for<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A new version of I-D,<br>
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-16.txt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; has been successfully submitted by Young Lee and posted to the IETF<br=
>
repository.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetr=
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&gt;<br>
&gt; Revision:=C2=A0 16<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 YANG models for VN &amp; TE Performa=
nce Monitoring Telemetry<br>
and Scaling Intent Autonomics<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Document date:=C2=A0 =C2=A02019-04-18<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 29<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document provides YANG data models that describe per=
formance<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 monitoring telemetry and scaling intent mechanism for TE-=
tunnels<br>
and<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Virtual Networks (VN).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The models presented in this draft allow customers to sub=
scribe to<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and monitor their key performance data of their interest =
on the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 level of TE-tunnel or VN. The models also provide custome=
rs with<br>
the<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ability to program autonomic scaling intent mechanism on =
the level<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of TE-tunnel as well as VN.<br>
&gt;<br>
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Yes/support.

Thanks.
Young

On Mon, May 27, 2019, 10:36 PM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
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> document.
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> document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
> like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.
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> The poll ends June 10th.
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<div dir=3D"auto">Yes/support.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>Thanks.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Young</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, May 27, 2019, 10:36 PM V=
ishnu Pavan Beeram &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com">vishnupavan=
@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">All,<br>
<br>
This is start of a two week <span class=3D"m_2179061923753300298gmail-m_868=
7635012235964257gmail-m_-8969735202532587428gmail-il">poll</span> on making=
<br>draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 a TEAS working group do=
cument.<br>
Please send email to the list indicating &quot;yes/support&quot; or &quot;n=
o/do not<br>
support&quot;. If indicating no, please state your reservations with the<br=
>
document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you&#39;d<br>
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.<br>
<br>
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Reviewer: Ladislav Lhotka
Review result: Ready with Issues

This document and YANG module "ietf-sr-topology" contained therein
contribute two new types to the family of network topology data
models: segment routing and segment routing traffic engineering
topologies. The document also provides a companion module
"ietf-sr-topology-state" intended for non-NMDA implementations.

>From the YANG point of view, both modules are in a relatively good
shape. Also, as far as I can tell, they satisfy the requirements
specified in RFC 8345.

The example instance data contained in Appendix B successfully passes
formal validation against the date model, which is far from
commonplace for early versions of documents. See however comment #1
below.

**** Comments

1. I have argued several times that using URIs as identifiers of all
   network topology objects in RFC 8345 is an overkill. Now, the
   present draft demonstrates the consequences: id values used in
   many places of the example data (Appendix B) are not valid URIs!
   For example, "link-id" leaves have values like
   "D1,1-2-1,D2,2-1-1", which is not a URI.

   This type violation isn't caught by validating tools because the
   "ietf-inet-types:uri" type doesn't specify a regular expession
   pattern. However, its description states clearly that the type
   represents URI as defined by STD 66.

2. The module uses (indirectly) the grouping "srlr" from the
   "ietf-segment-routing-common" module. This grouping defines two
   leaves, "lower-bound" and "upper-bound". I assume it is expected
   that the former must not be greater than the latter. This is
   however not enforced by the data model. My suggestion is to add a
   "must" statement to the "srlr" grouping corresponding to this
   constraint.

3. Typos in the module text:

   - description of grouping "sr-topology-type":
     s/toplogies/topologies/

   - description of container "sr-mpls":
     s/Indiates/Indicates/



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Hi Pavan,

No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Ricard

On 10/6/2019 17:24, satish karunanithi wrote:
> Hi Pavana,
> No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.
> Regards,
> Satish.
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019, 22:23 Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com 
> <mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com>> wrote:
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    <p>Hi Pavan,<br>
      <br>
      No, I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.<br>
      <br>
      Ricard<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/2019 17:24, satish karunanithi
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAPEcS0ucD+Nq79mpyt6pjW9Jo3fjuZkUR7d5pNsgTFzJDg9-bA@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="auto"><span
          style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Hi Pavana, </span>
        <div dir="auto"><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">No, I'm not
            aware of any </span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">IPR</span><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"> that
            applies to this draft.</span></div>
        <div dir="auto"><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Regards, </span></div>
        <div dir="auto"><span
            style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Satish. </span></div>
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      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 31, 2019, 22:23
          Vishnu Pavan Beeram &lt;<a href="mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">vishnupavan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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            <div>Authors, Contributors, WG,<br>
              <br>
              As part of the preparation for <span
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              for WG document <span
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              <br>
              Are you aware of any <span><span
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              that applies to draft identified above?<br>
              <br>
                Please state either:<br>
              <br>
                "No, I'm not aware of any <span><span
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              that applies to this draft"<br>
                or<br>
                "Yes, I'm aware of <span><span
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class="m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-il">IPR</span></span></span></span></span>
              that applies to this draft"<br>
              <br>
              If so, has this <span><span
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class="m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-il">IPR</span></span></span></span></span>
              been disclosed in compliance with IETF <span><span
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              rules<br>
              (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
              <br>
              If yes to the above, please state either:<br>
              <br>
                "Yes, the <span><span
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              has been disclosed in compliance with IETF <span><span
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Hi Chairs,

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:24 PM Vishnu Pavan Beeram
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>
> Authors, Contributors, WG,
>
> As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption:
>
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>
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>
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:40 AM Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> My understanding is that the running DS contains only the list entries
> configured by the client and therefore there is no key collision (the key
> values are all assigned by the client)
>
> The issue is that the operational DS will contain two types of list
> entries:
> - list entries representing the applied configuration of the list entries
> in the running DS (the key values are all assigned by the client)
> - list entries representing ephemeral list entries representing dynamic
> configuration (the key values are all assigned by the server)
>
> Without any rule, it is possible that the client and the server assigns
> the same key value to two different list entries
>
>
NMDA has the "origin" attribute so that it is clear to clients the source
of the instances
that are being used in <operational>.  It doesn't matter if the data is a
container, a list, etc.
There can be only 1 instance that is being used by the server at a time
(except
for remnant config).

There are no instance naming collisions within <running> or <ephemeral>.
Only if you try to combine them, which is not how it works. The server
chooses
what to put in <operational> and sets the origin attribute accordingly.



> If, as proposed below, the server assign key values ephemeral list entrie=
s
> using a prefix which is known to the client, the client can assign key
> values to the configured list entries not using that prefix thus solving
> any conflict
>
> I think this solution works as long as we understand how to make the
> client aware of the prefix being used by the server
>
> My 2 cents
>
> Italo
>
>

Andy


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
> Sent: domenica 2 giugno 2019 13:09
> To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>;
> Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; netmod@ietf.org
> Cc: teas@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Italo Busi" <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:00 PM
>
> > Rob, Tarek,
> >
> > Thanks for following-up this discussion
> >
> > I like the suggestion to use a prefix string: those who prefers using
> one character (e.g., '#') could use a single character string
> >
> > Regarding the configuration, one possible issue that just jumped into
> my mind is what happens when the prefix is (re-)configured by the client
> after some ephemeral tunnels have been created ...
>
> Many years ago, there was a similar discussion about interface names whic=
h
> never really got resolved but which was a factor in driving NMDA.
> Some boxes create their own interface names, others have interface names
> configured; and with interfaces, there was a need to use a match of the
> identifier to add configured attributes to a entry that the box had creat=
ed
> but to create a new entry if there was not a match.  Roll on multiple
> datastores.
>
> Which makes me ask; which datastores are we talking about? I know where
> entries configured via NETCONF will go but which datastores will hold the
> details of these ephemeral tunnels? Needs clarifying IMHO.
>
> Tom Petch
>
> > An alternative solution could be to let the server decide which prefix
> to use (server implementation issue) and to provide a read-only YANG leaf
> to report this information to the client, such that the client knows it
> could not use this prefix for the configured tunnels
> >
> > My 2 cents
> >
> > Italo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com]
> > Sent: mercoled=C3=AC 29 maggio 2019 17:22
> > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; tom petch
> <ietfc@btconnect.com>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; netmod@ietf.or=
g
> > Cc: teas@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
> >
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > Inline..
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFOn 5/29/19, 9:05 AM, "Teas on behalf of Rob Wilton (rwilton)"
> <teas-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rwilton@cisco.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Are these ephemeral tunnels created and named by the device
> itself?
> > [TS]: yes, some of those are auto-created by the device (e.g.
> triggered by some local event).
> >
> >     Possibly using a human readable prefix (or suffix) might be better
> than using a symbol.
> >
> >     E.g. perhaps a prefix of "sys-" as an abbreviation for system.
> > [TS]: I tend to agree here. I had suggested making this prefix
> configurable - not sure if this brings more trouble.
> >
> > [TS]: On a similar note, on the controller, some tunnels from
> different ingress routers will be reported up to the controller. One way
> to avoid collision of same tunnel name existing on multiple ingress
> devices, we thought of is for that controller to (automatically) append t=
he
> ingress router name (or IP address) before consuming the reported tunnel
> into the controller tunnel list. Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tarek
> >
> >     Thanks,
> >     Rob
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of tom petch
> >     Sent: 29 May 2019 12:04
> >     To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; netmod@ietf.org
> >     Cc: teas@ietf.org
> >     Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
> >
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: "Italo Busi" <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> >     Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:02 AM
> >
> >     Hi Tom,
> >
> >     Thanks for your reply
> >
> >     It seems to me that the text you have quoted is from:
> >     https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#section-6.2
> >
> >     If I can understand correctly, especially for section 6.2.1, this
> constraints does not apply to name attributes whose syntax is defined as =
a
> string and used as key of a list, such as the tunnel list defined in the =
TE
> YANG model:
> >
> >          |  +--rw tunnel* [name]
> >          |  |  +--ro operational-state?                  identityref
> >          |  |  +--rw name                                string
> >
> >     My understanding is that a tunnel list entry with a name starting
> with '#' can exist in a YANG DS
> >
> >     <tp>
> >
> >     Italo
> >
> >     Ah yes, my misunderstanding.  'string' type is a bit more flexible
> i.e.
> >
> >        The string built-in type represents human-readable strings in
> YANG.
> >        Legal characters are the Unicode and ISO/IEC 10646 [ISO.10646]
> >        characters, including tab, carriage return, and line feed but
> >        excluding the other C0 control characters, the surrogate
> blocks, and
> >        the noncharacters.
> >
> >     Plenty of scope there!
> >
> >
> >     If this approach is taken, then I agree that hash is a good choice
> as it stands out, unlike, say, underscore which vanishes in the line of
> text.
> >
> >     Tom Petch
> >
> >     Thanks, Italo
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: tom petch [mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com]
> >     Sent: mercoled=C3=AC 29 maggio 2019 10:42
> >     To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; netmod@ietf.org
> >     Cc: teas@ietf.org
> >     Subject: Re: [netmod] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
> >
> >     <inline>
> >
> >     Tom Petch
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: "Italo Busi" <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> >     To: <netmod@ietf.org>
> >     Cc: <teas@ietf.org>
> >     Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:16 PM
> >     Subject: [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral
> list entries
> >
> >
> >     On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an issue which
> seems generic and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the Netmod WG
> >
> >     In the TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list with a name
> attribute used as a key:
> >
> >          |  +--rw tunnel* [name]
> >          |  |  +--ro operational-state?                  identityref
> >          |  |  +--rw name                                string
> >
> >     See: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21
> >
> >     The issue we are facing is how to avoid name collision between
> configured and ephemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying
> to address is how to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a
> name which have been already assigned by the server to another ephemeral
> tunnel and vice-versa, in particular considering NMDA rules
> >
> >     We believe that the issue is generic and apply to any configured
> and ephemeral list entries
> >
> >     Has this issue been already discussed/resolved in Netmod WG?
> >
> >     If not, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? We are currently
> considering the following option:
> >
> >        Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names
> always are prepended by special character "#"
> >        Make the special character changeable by configuration - the
> default can be "#" and user can change if they desire..
> >
> >     <tp>
> >
> >     If this is to conform with YANG 1.1, RFC7950, then the constraint
> is
> >
> >        Identifiers are used to identify different kinds of YANG items
> by
> >        name.  Each identifier starts with an uppercase or lowercase
> ASCII
> >        letter or an underscore character, followed by zero or more
> ASCII
> >        letters, digits, underscore characters, hyphens, and dots.
> >
> >
> >     No # (hash) anywhere so I suspect that a lot of tooling will fail
> in an unpredictable way if it encounters an illegal character in an
> identifier.
> >
> >     Tom Petch
> >
> >
> >     Thanks, Italo
> >
> >     Italo Busi
> >     Principal Optical Transport Network Research Engineer Huawei
> Technologies Co., Ltd.
> >     Tel : +39 345 4721946
> >     Email : italo.busi@huawei.com
> >     [cid:image002.png@01D5149F.354EF420]
> >
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> >     From: Tarek Saad [mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com]
> >     Sent: venerd=C3=AC 24 maggio 2019 23:13
> >     To: Igor Bryskin <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com>; Rakesh Gandhi
> <rgandhi@cisco.com>; Xufeng <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>; Vishnu Pavan
> Beeram <vbeeram@juniper.net>; Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> >     Cc: teas@ietf.org
> >     Subject: Discussion on modelling container TE tunnels in YANG
> >
> >     The team on "to" list met to discuss this subject topic. Notes
> from today's discussion (please add if I missed):
> >
> >     Name collision between configured and ephemeral tunnels:
> >       This is a generic problem in NMDA.
> >       How to handle collisions between configured and ephemeral (or
> >     auto-created) objects of a list, if the list uses the object
> (string
> >     based) name as the key?
> >       Both configured and ephemeral can have the same object name but
> they are different objects - how to avoid such collision.
> >      Proposed solution:
> >        Option 1:
> >        Use a special character for ephemeral names - e.g. such names
> always are prepended by special character "#"
> >        Make the special character changeable by configuration - the
> default can be "#" and user can change if they desire..
> >       Others?
> >     AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group.
> >
> >     Container TE tunnels discussion:
> >     -          Container tunnels are grouping of tunnels between same
> 2
> >     endpoints to share incoming traffic towards the egress
> >     -          Member tunnels of a container tunnel can be
> >     auto-created/deleted on-demand and controlled by thresholds
> specified under the container
> >     -          Some attributes may apply on the container tunnel and
> >     inherited down to member tunnels of the container
> >     -          Q: Should model allow member tunnel to override
> inherited
> >     attributes from container tunnel?
> >     -          Q: Should all auto-created member tunnels of a
> container have
> >     the same prefix/suffix - i..e prefix/suffix can be configurable
> >
> >     Regards,
> >     Tarek
> >
> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 8:40 AM Italo=
 Busi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Italo.Busi@huawei.com">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi =
Tom,<br>
<br>
My understanding is that the running DS contains only the list entries conf=
igured by the client and therefore there is no key collision (the key value=
s are all assigned by the client)<br>
<br>
The issue is that the operational DS will contain two types of list entries=
:<br>
- list entries representing the applied configuration of the list entries i=
n the running DS (the key values are all assigned by the client)<br>
- list entries representing ephemeral list entries representing dynamic con=
figuration (the key values are all assigned by the server)<br>
<br>
Without any rule, it is possible that the client and the server assigns the=
 same key value to two different list entries<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>NMDA has the &quot;origin&quot; attrib=
ute so that it is clear to clients the source of the instances</div><div>th=
at are being used in &lt;operational&gt;.=C2=A0 It doesn&#39;t matter if th=
e data is a container, a list, etc.</div><div>There can be only 1 instance =
that is being used by the server at a time (except</div><div>for remnant co=
nfig).</div><div><br></div><div>There are no instance naming collisions wit=
hin &lt;running&gt; or &lt;ephemeral&gt;.</div><div>Only if you try to comb=
ine them, which is not how it works. The server chooses</div><div>what to p=
ut in &lt;operational&gt; and sets the origin attribute accordingly.</div><=
div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex">
If, as proposed below, the server assign key values ephemeral list entries =
using a prefix which is known to the client, the client can assign key valu=
es to the configured list entries not using that prefix thus solving any co=
nflict<br>
<br>
I think this solution works as long as we understand how to make the client=
 aware of the prefix being used by the server<br>
<br>
My 2 cents<br>
<br>
Italo<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andy</div><div>=C2=A0</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: tom petch [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">ietfc@btconnect.com</a>] <br>
Sent: domenica 2 giugno 2019 13:09<br>
To: Italo Busi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Italo.Busi@huawei.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Tarek Saad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tsaad.ne=
t@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>&gt;; Rob Wilton (rwi=
lton) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rwilton@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">rwilton@ci=
sco.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmo=
d@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a><br=
>
Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and ephemeral=
 list entries<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: &quot;Italo Busi&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Italo.Busi@huawei.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:00 PM<br>
<br>
&gt; Rob, Tarek,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks for following-up this discussion<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I like the suggestion to use a prefix string: those who prefers using<=
br>
one character (e.g., &#39;#&#39;) could use a single character string<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regarding the configuration, one possible issue that just jumped into<=
br>
my mind is what happens when the prefix is (re-)configured by the client af=
ter some ephemeral tunnels have been created ...<br>
<br>
Many years ago, there was a similar discussion about interface names which =
never really got resolved but which was a factor in driving NMDA.<br>
Some boxes create their own interface names, others have interface names co=
nfigured; and with interfaces, there was a need to use a match of the ident=
ifier to add configured attributes to a entry that the box had created but =
to create a new entry if there was not a match.=C2=A0 Roll on multiple data=
stores.<br>
<br>
Which makes me ask; which datastores are we talking about? I know where ent=
ries configured via NETCONF will go but which datastores will hold the deta=
ils of these ephemeral tunnels? Needs clarifying IMHO.<br>
<br>
Tom Petch<br>
<br>
&gt; An alternative solution could be to let the server decide which prefix=
<br>
to use (server implementation issue) and to provide a read-only YANG leaf t=
o report this information to the client, such that the client knows it coul=
d not use this prefix for the configured tunnels<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My 2 cents<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Italo<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: Tarek Saad [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:tsaad.net@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>]<br>
&gt; Sent: mercoled=C3=AC 29 maggio 2019 17:22<br>
&gt; To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rwilton@cisco.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt;; tom petch<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietfc@btconnect.com" target=3D"_blank">ietfc@btconnec=
t.com</a>&gt;; Italo Busi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Italo.Busi@huawei.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</=
a><br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and<br>
ephemeral list entries<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hi Rob,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Inline..<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BFOn 5/29/19, 9:05 AM, &quot;Teas on behalf of Rob Wilton (rwil=
ton)&quot;<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas-bounces=
@ietf.org</a> on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto:rwilton@cisco.com" target=3D"_=
blank">rwilton@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Are these ephemeral tunnels created and named by th=
e device<br>
itself?<br>
&gt; [TS]: yes, some of those are auto-created by the device (e.g.<br>
triggered by some local event).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Possibly using a human readable prefix (or suffix) =
might be better<br>
than using a symbol.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0E.g. perhaps a prefix of &quot;sys-&quot; as an abb=
reviation for system.<br>
&gt; [TS]: I tend to agree here. I had suggested making this prefix<br>
configurable - not sure if this brings more trouble.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; [TS]: On a similar note, on the controller, some tunnels from<br>
different ingress routers will be reported up to the controller. One way to=
 avoid collision of same tunnel name existing on multiple ingress devices, =
we thought of is for that controller to (automatically) append the ingress =
router name (or IP address) before consuming the reported tunnel into the c=
ontroller tunnel list. Thoughts?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Regards,<br>
&gt; Tarek<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rob<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: Teas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">teas-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; On Behalf Of tom petch=
<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: 29 May 2019 12:04<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To: Italo Busi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Italo.Busi@hua=
wei.com" target=3D"_blank">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto=
:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">teas@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between =
configured and<br>
ephemeral list entries<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----- Original Message -----<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: &quot;Italo Busi&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
Italo.Busi@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:02 AM<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Tom,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks for your reply<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It seems to me that the text you have quoted is fro=
m:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7950#sect=
ion-6.2" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/r=
fc7950#section-6.2</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If I can understand correctly, especially for secti=
on 6.2.1, this<br>
constraints does not apply to name attributes whose syntax is defined as a =
string and used as key of a list, such as the tunnel list defined in the TE=
 YANG model:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw tunnel* [name]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--ro operational-st=
ate?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 identity=
ref<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw name=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My understanding is that a tunnel list entry with a=
 name starting<br>
with &#39;#&#39; can exist in a YANG DS<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&lt;tp&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Italo<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Ah yes, my misunderstanding.=C2=A0 &#39;string&#39;=
 type is a bit more flexible<br>
i.e.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 The string built-in type represents human-r=
eadable strings in<br>
YANG.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Legal characters are the Unicode and ISO/IE=
C 10646 [ISO.10646]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 characters, including tab, carriage return,=
 and line feed but<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 excluding the other C0 control characters, =
the surrogate<br>
blocks, and<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the noncharacters.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Plenty of scope there!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If this approach is taken, then I agree that hash i=
s a good choice<br>
as it stands out, unlike, say, underscore which vanishes in the line of tex=
t.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks, Italo<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: tom petch [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ietfc@btc=
onnect.com" target=3D"_blank">ietfc@btconnect.com</a>]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: mercoled=C3=AC 29 maggio 2019 10:42<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To: Italo Busi &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Italo.Busi@hua=
wei.com" target=3D"_blank">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto=
:netmod@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk">teas@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: Re: [netmod] Key collision between configu=
red and<br>
ephemeral list entries<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&lt;inline&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----- Original Message -----<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: &quot;Italo Busi&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
Italo.Busi@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">Italo.Busi@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:netmod@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">netmod@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cc: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"=
_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 2:16 PM<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Subject: [netmod] Key collision between configured =
and ephemeral<br>
list entries<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Friday within the TEAS WG, we have discussed an =
issue which<br>
seems generic and therefore agreed to ask for guidelines to the Netmod WG<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0In the TE YANG model we have defined a tunnel list =
with a name<br>
attribute used as a key:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw tunnel* [name]<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--ro operational-st=
ate?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 identity=
ref<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 +--rw name=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 string<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0See: <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-i=
etf-teas-yang-te-21" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.iet=
f.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The issue we are facing is how to avoid name collis=
ion between<br>
configured and ephemeral tunnels. In other words, the issue we are trying t=
o address is how to avoid the client to assign to a configured tunnel a nam=
e which have been already assigned by the server to another ephemeral tunne=
l and vice-versa, in particular considering NMDA rules<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We believe that the issue is generic and apply to a=
ny configured<br>
and ephemeral list entries<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Has this issue been already discussed/resolved in N=
etmod WG?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If not, what is the Netmod WG opinion/suggestion? W=
e are currently<br>
considering the following option:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Use a special character for ephemeral names=
 - e.g. such names<br>
always are prepended by special character &quot;#&quot;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Make the special character changeable by co=
nfiguration - the<br>
default can be &quot;#&quot; and user can change if they desire..<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&lt;tp&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If this is to conform with YANG 1.1, RFC7950, then =
the constraint<br>
is<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Identifiers are used to identify different =
kinds of YANG items<br>
by<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 name.=C2=A0 Each identifier starts with an =
uppercase or lowercase<br>
ASCII<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 letter or an underscore character, followed=
 by zero or more<br>
ASCII<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 letters, digits, underscore characters, hyp=
hens, and dots.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0No # (hash) anywhere so I suspect that a lot of too=
ling will fail<br>
in an unpredictable way if it encounters an illegal character in an identif=
ier.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tom Petch<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The team on &quot;to&quot; list met to discuss this=
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&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Name collision between configured and ephemeral tun=
nels:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0This is a generic problem in NMDA.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0How to handle collisions between configured =
and ephemeral (or<br>
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he object<br>
(string<br>
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Both configured and ephemeral can have the s=
ame object name but<br>
they are different objects - how to avoid such collision.<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Proposed solution:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Option 1:<br>
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nfiguration - the<br>
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&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0AI (Italo): to send email to netmod group.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Container TE tunnels discussion:<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Container tunne=
ls are grouping of tunnels between same<br>
2<br>
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of a container tunnel can be<br>
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resholds<br>
specified under the container<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Some attributes=
 may apply on the container tunnel and<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0inherited down to member tunnels of the container<b=
r>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Q: Should model=
 allow member tunnel to override<br>
inherited<br>
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container have<br>
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configurable<br>
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 08:54:11AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote:

> There are no instance naming collisions within <running> or <ephemeral>.
> Only if you try to combine them, which is not how it works. The server
> chooses what to put in <operational> and sets the origin attribute
> accordingly.

And for a robust solution, it is good to have an explicit definition
of which entry takes priority if there is a name clash.

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Juergen, Andy,

Thanks for your reply

I agree with your statements as long as we consider two sources for the sam=
e information/instance. In this case, my understanding is that the same key=
 value is intentionally assigned by the two sources to indicate that they a=
re representing the same information/instance and only one instance needs t=
o be applied within the operational DS

The issue we are trying to solve is slightly different. We have two differe=
nt instances from different sources and both of them need to be applied wit=
hin the operational DS, but unfortunately they have got assigned the same k=
ey value ...

Italo

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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]=20
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Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and ephemeral=
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 08:54:11AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote:

> There are no instance naming collisions within <running> or <ephemeral>.
> Only if you try to combine them, which is not how it works. The server=20
> chooses what to put in <operational> and sets the origin attribute=20
> accordingly.

And for a robust solution, it is good to have an explicit definition of whi=
ch entry takes priority if there is a name clash.

/js

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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 04:36:08PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:
> 
> I agree with your statements as long as we consider two sources for the same information/instance. In this case, my understanding is that the same key value is intentionally assigned by the two sources to indicate that they are representing the same information/instance and only one instance needs to be applied within the operational DS
>
> The issue we are trying to solve is slightly different. We have two different instances from different sources and both of them need to be applied within the operational DS, but unfortunately they have got assigned the same key value ...
>

It does not really matter whether the name clash is intentional or
not. Only one can be used and it should be clear which one will be
the winner.

I do understand that you want to design the models so that name
clashes can be avoided and this is likely fine for what you need but
you need to think through all cases.

- Will names not matching the pattern be rejected? If so, what happens
  to existing entries if the allowed name pattern is changed? Or is
  the pattern cast into stone?

- Another option, in principle, is to suggest that names are chosen
  such that they have a low probability to collide. This sometimes
  leads to simpler implementations since clients do not have to
  generate names conforming to some (configurable?) patterns and
  instead create a name with low collision probability and if the
  config does not make it into <operational>, the client handles the
  name clash. Note that some clients may want to tag their entries
  with specific IDs anyway so that they can easily recognize their
  entries, i.e., clients may have other good reasons to avoid
  generating names that have a high probability to clash.

/js

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Hi Juergen,

Thanks for your reply: see some comments of mine in line below

Italo

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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]
Sent: marted=EC 11 giugno 2019 19:19
To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
Cc: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net=
@gmail.com>; netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and ephemeral=
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 04:36:08PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:
>
> I agree with your statements as long as we consider two sources for
> the same information/instance. In this case, my understanding is that
> the same key value is intentionally assigned by the two sources to
> indicate that they are representing the same information/instance and
> only one instance needs to be applied within the operational DS
>
> The issue we are trying to solve is slightly different. We have two diffe=
rent instances from different sources and both of them need to be applied w=
ithin the operational DS, but unfortunately they have got assigned the same=
 key value ...
>

It does not really matter whether the name clash is intentional or not. Onl=
y one can be used and it should be clear which one will be the winner.
[Italo Busi] I agree. This is why I think we need to avoid unintentional na=
me clash.

I do understand that you want to design the models so that name clashes can=
 be avoided and this is likely fine for what you need but you need to think=
 through all cases.

- Will names not matching the pattern be rejected?
[Italo Busi] Good question. I think that the client should be allowed to cr=
eate entries with intentional name clashes

If so, what happens
  to existing entries if the allowed name pattern is changed? Or is
  the pattern cast into stone?
[Italo Busi] Another good question. My feeling is that the solution would b=
e much simpler if the prefix is decided by the server, communicated to the =
client and never changed.

- Another option, in principle, is to suggest that names are chosen
  such that they have a low probability to collide. This sometimes
  leads to simpler implementations since clients do not have to
  generate names conforming to some (configurable?) patterns and
  instead create a name with low collision probability and if the
  config does not make it into <operational>, the client handles the
  name clash. Note that some clients may want to tag their entries
  with specific IDs anyway so that they can easily recognize their
  entries, i.e., clients may have other good reasons to avoid
  generating names that have a high probability to clash.
[Italo Busi] If the client knows the prefix used by the server, it can pick=
 up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries. I think this rule=
 is not really complex and it seems much simpler than managing unintended n=
ame clashes

/js

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Sent: marted=EC 11 giugno 2019 19:19<br>

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Cc: Andy Bierman &lt;andy@yumaworks.com&gt;; teas@ietf.org; Tarek Saad &lt;=
tsaad.net@gmail.com&gt;; netmod@ietf.org<br>

Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and ephemeral=
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<div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbsp;</span></font><=
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<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">On T=
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<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
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<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
 I agree with your statements as long as we consider two sources for </span=
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<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
 the same information/instance. In this case, my understanding is that </sp=
an></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
 the same key value is intentionally assigned by the two sources to </span>=
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<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
 indicate that they are representing the same information/instance and </sp=
an></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
 only one instance needs to be applied within the operational DS</span></fo=
nt></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
 The issue we are trying to solve is slightly different. We have two differ=
ent instances from different sources and both of them need to be applied wi=
thin the operational DS, but unfortunately
they have got assigned the same key value ...</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&gt;=
</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p;</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">It d=
oes not really matter whether the name clash is intentional or not. Only on=
e can be used and it should be clear which one will be the winner.</span></=
font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"><b><=
i>[Italo Busi] </i></b><b><i>I agree. This is why I think we need to avoid =
</i></b><b><i>unintentional</i></b><b><i> </i></b><b><i>name clash.</i></b>=
</span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbsp;</span></font><=
/div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">I do=
 understand that you want to design the models so that name clashes can be =
avoided and this is likely fine for what you need but you need to think thr=
ough all cases.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p;</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">- Wi=
ll names not matching the pattern be rejected? </span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"><b><=
i>[Italo Busi] </i></b><b><i>Good question. I think that the client should =
be allowed to </i></b><b><i>create entries with intentional name clashes</i=
></b></span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbsp;</span></font><=
/div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">If s=
o, what happens</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; to existing entries if the allowed name pattern is changed? Or is</span>=
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; the pattern cast into stone?</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"><b><=
i>[Italo Busi] </i></b><b><i>Another good question. My feeling is that the =
solution would be much simpler if the prefix is decided by the server, comm=
unicated to the client and never changed.</i></b></span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbsp;</span></font><=
/div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">- An=
other option, in principle, is to suggest that names are chosen</span></fon=
t></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; such that they have a low probability to collide. This sometimes</span><=
/font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; leads to simpler implementations since clients do not have to</span></fo=
nt></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
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ont></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; instead create a name with low collision probability and if the</span></=
font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; config does not make it into &lt;operational&gt;, the client handles the=
</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; name clash. Note that some clients may want to tag their entries</span><=
/font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; with specific IDs anyway so that they can easily recognize their</span><=
/font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; entries, i.e., clients may have other good reasons to avoid</span></font=
></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p; generating names that have a high probability to clash.</span></font></d=
iv>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;"><b><=
i>[Italo Busi] </i></b><b><i>If the client knows the prefix used by the ser=
ver, it can pick up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries</i=
></b><b><i>. I think this rule is not
really complex and it seems much simpler than managing unintended name clas=
hes</i></b></span></font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbsp;</span></font><=
/div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">/js<=
/span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">&nbs=
p;</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">-- <=
/span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">Juer=
gen Schoenwaelder&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">Phon=
e: &#43;49 421 200 3587&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cam=
pus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany</span></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"Calibri" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">Fax:=
&nbsp;&nbsp; &#43;49 421 200 3103&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; &lt;<a href=3D"https://www.jacobs-university.de/">https://www.jacobs=
-university.de/</a>&gt;</span></font></div>
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:

> [Italo Busi] If the client knows the prefix used by the server, it
> can pick up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries. I
> think this rule is not really complex and it seems much simpler than
> managing unintended name clashes

A prefix only helps a little. Once you have multiple clients creating
entries, you will have to handle collisions again. Sometimes solving
the more general case leads to solutions that also work nicely in
simpler special cases.

/js

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Hi,
	As part of preparing for LC, I reviewed this document and have some 
comments that I think that should be addressed before the document is 
published.  I think the first item should be addressed before LC, the 
others can be addressed at your discretion.

Title, 3 other places:
   Scenario, Simulation and Suggestion of PCE in Native IP Network

Aren't the "suggestions" described in [I-D.ietf-teas-pce-native-ip] and 
not in this document?  Perhaps eliminating the 3 uses of "suggestions" 
in the document and calling it "Scenarios and Simulation Results of PCE 
in Native IP Network" would be more appropriate?

The reasons for the following don't really matter, so I suggest:
OLD
    controlled corporate network and are out of scope of this draft.  And
    as described in [I-D.ietf-detnet-dp-sol-ip], the solution for the
    DetNet use cases requires the update of the network data plane, which
    is not easy being deployed within the service provider network and is
    out of scope that described in [I-D.ietf-teas-pce-native-ip]
NEW
    controlled network and are out of scope of this draft.

Section 10 needs to be split into informative and normative subsections.

it would be good to review 
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04.txt 
and see if you want to fix any of these.

That's it,
Lou


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(1) Section 4.2.  Per “The data model proposed in this document can be used to
retrieve/represent/manipulate the customized TE Topology depicted in Figure 8b”
this statement struck me as odd because aren’t all of the topologies depicted
here supported with the modeling language?

(2) Section 4.2.  Per “Although an authorized client MAY receive a TE topology
with the client ID field   matching some other client”, why would this happen? 
Couldn’t this potentially leak customized TE information across clients?

(3) Section 5.9.  Per “When two or more templates specify values for the same
configuration field, the value from the template with the highest priority is
used”, is the highest priority 0 or 65535 (since priority is a uint16)?  The
text doesn’t indicate whether the highest priority is a largest or smallest
number.

(4) Editorial Nits
-- Section 3.4.  Missing word.  s/3.3/Section 3.3/

-- Section 4.2.  Typo.  s/-connectivit-/-connectivity-/

-- Section 4.2.  Editorial.  Why does “single-abstract-node-with-connectivit
–matrix topology” use hyphens and
“border_nodes_connected_via_mesh_of_abstract_links topology” use an underscore?

-- Section 4.2.  Typo.  s/Although a/Although an/

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Scenarios and Simulation Results of PCE in Native IP Network
        Authors         : Aijun Wang
                          Xiaohong Huang
                          Caixia Kou
                          Zhenqiang Li
                          Penghui Mi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2019-06-11

Abstract:
   This document describes the scenarios, simulation and suggestions for
   PCE in native IP network, which integrates the merit of distributed
   protocols (IGP/BGP), and the power of centrally control technologies
   (PCE/SDN) to provide one feasible traffic engineering solution in
   various complex scenarios for the service provider.


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Hi, Lou:

I have updated the draft according to your suggestions, and also fixed =
the
nits in previous version.
Thanks for your review.


Best Regards.

Aijun Wang
Network R&D and Operation Support Department
China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, =
China.

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Hi,
	As part of preparing for LC, I reviewed this document and have some
comments that I think that should be addressed before the document is
published.  I think the first item should be addressed before LC, the =
others
can be addressed at your discretion.

Title, 3 other places:
   Scenario, Simulation and Suggestion of PCE in Native IP Network

Aren't the "suggestions" described in [I-D.ietf-teas-pce-native-ip] and =
not
in this document?  Perhaps eliminating the 3 uses of "suggestions"=20
in the document and calling it "Scenarios and Simulation Results of PCE =
in
Native IP Network" would be more appropriate?

The reasons for the following don't really matter, so I suggest:
OLD
    controlled corporate network and are out of scope of this draft.  =
And
    as described in [I-D.ietf-detnet-dp-sol-ip], the solution for the
    DetNet use cases requires the update of the network data plane, =
which
    is not easy being deployed within the service provider network and =
is
    out of scope that described in [I-D.ietf-teas-pce-native-ip] NEW
    controlled network and are out of scope of this draft.

Section 10 needs to be split into informative and normative subsections.

it would be good to review
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-=
teas-
native-ip-scenarios-04.txt
and see if you want to fix any of these.

That's it,
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Hi, All:

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.


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From: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 7:36 PM

> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:
>
> > [Italo Busi] If the client knows the prefix used by the server, it
> > can pick up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries. I
> > think this rule is not really complex and it seems much simpler than
> > managing unintended name clashes
>
> A prefix only helps a little. Once you have multiple clients creating
> entries, you will have to handle collisions again. Sometimes solving
> the more general case leads to solutions that also work nicely in
> simpler special cases.

Picking up on the point earlier about needing a rule about what to do
when a collision occurs, the collision only occurs when the second (or
third?) entry is created and AFAICT that is unpredictable, the
configuration may occur first or the ephemeral one.  If the rule is that
one or the other datastore takes precedence, then you have a name which
changes its meaning at this point, which seems undesirable.

Hence, the only rule I can see being acceptable is that the first one
wins, regardless of which it is,  and the second and subsequent are
rejected as invalid.

But then you cannot rely on the prefix telling you where the name came
from - of course, YANG origin will still be accurate.

Tom Petch

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Fwding Satish's response to the list (it is missing in the archives).

Regards,
-Pavan

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: satish karunanithi <satish.karunanithi@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics
To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
Cc: Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>, <
ricard.vilalta@cttc.es>, <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk>, Daniele Ceccarelli <
daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>, TEAS WG Chairs <
teas-chairs@ietf.org>


Hi Pavana,
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.
Regards,
Satish.

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 22:23 Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Authors, Contributors, WG,
>
> As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption:
>
> Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above?
>
>   Please state either:
>
>   "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
>   or
>   "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"
>
> If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
> (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
>
> If yes to the above, please state either:
>
>   "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
>   or
>   "No, the IPR has not been disclosed"
>
> If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
>   appropriate.
>
> If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
> above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
> aware of any relevant IPR.  This document will not advance to the next
> stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
> contributor.  NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
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>
> If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed
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> the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
> aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
> participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
> undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
> and
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.
>
> Thank you,
> Pavan and Lou
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Fwding Satish&#39;s response to the list (it is missi=
ng in the archives).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>-Pavan=
<br></div><div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <b class=3D=
"gmail_sendername" dir=3D"auto">satish karunanithi</b> <span dir=3D"auto">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satish.karunanithi@gmail.com">satish.karunanithi@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 10:25 AM<br>Subject: Re: =
Regarding IPR on draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics<br>To: Vishnu =
Pavan Beeram &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com">vishnupavan@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Leeyoung &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:leeyoung@huawei.com">lee=
young@huawei.com</a>&gt;, Dhruv Dhody &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.dhody@hua=
wei.com">dhruv.dhody@huawei.com</a>&gt;,  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ricard.vila=
lta@cttc.es">ricard.vilalta@cttc.es</a>&gt;,  &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d.king@=
lancaster.ac.uk">d.king@lancaster.ac.uk</a>&gt;, Daniele Ceccarelli &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com">daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson=
.com</a>&gt;, TEAS WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org">teas@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;, TEAS WG Chairs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas-chairs@ietf.org">teas-chai=
rs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-=
family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Hi Pavana,=C2=A0</span><div dir=3D"auto=
"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">No, I&#39;m not a=
ware of any=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.=
8px">IPR</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">=C2=
=A0that applies to this draft.</span></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D=
"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Regards,=C2=A0</span></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Satish.=
=C2=A0</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, May 31, 2019, 22:23 Vishnu Pavan Beeram &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">vishnupavan@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div>Authors, Contributors, WG,<br>
<br>
As part of the preparation for <span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186=
202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-il">polli=
ng</span> for WG document <span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_28618620222=
5077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-38109925821=
05200404gmail-m_4176161890984411323gmail-m_4456392148895447459gmail-m_-4539=
765698611707594gmail-il">adoption</span>:<br>
<br>
Are you aware of any <span><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_2861862022=
25077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-3810992582=
105200404gmail-m_4176161890984411323gmail-m_4456392148895447459gmail-m_-453=
9765698611707594gmail-il"><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_28618620222=
5077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-38109925821=
05200404gmail-m_4176161890984411323gmail-m_4456392148895447459gmail-il"><sp=
an class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_63845182726093=
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=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6=
828367266780897085gmail-il">IPR</span></span></span></span></span> that app=
lies to draft identified above?<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 Please state either:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;No, I&#39;m not aware of any <span><span class=3D"m_1691277291=
242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_68283672667808970=
85gmail-m_-3810992582105200404gmail-m_4176161890984411323gmail-m_4456392148=
895447459gmail-m_-4539765698611707594gmail-il"><span class=3D"m_16912772912=
42287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_682836726678089708=
5gmail-m_-3810992582105200404gmail-m_4176161890984411323gmail-m_44563921488=
95447459gmail-il"><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841g=
mail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-3810992582105200404=
gmail-il"><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6=
384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-il">IPR</span></span></span></=
span></span> that applies to this draft&quot;<br>
=C2=A0 or<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;Yes, I&#39;m aware of <span><span class=3D"m_16912772912422871=
14m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail=
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59gmail-m_-4539765698611707594gmail-il"><span class=3D"m_169127729124228711=
4m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-=
m_-3810992582105200404gmail-m_4176161890984411323gmail-m_445639214889544745=
9gmail-il"><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_=
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l"><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_63845182=
72609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-il">IPR</span></span></span></span></=
span> that applies to this draft&quot;<br>
<br>
If so, has this <span><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077=
841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-381099258210520=
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98611707594gmail-il"><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_2861862022250778=
41gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-3810992582105200=
404gmail-m_4176161890984411323gmail-m_4456392148895447459gmail-il"><span cl=
ass=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495=
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7266780897085gmail-il">IPR</span></span></span></span></span> been disclose=
d in compliance with IETF <span><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_28618=
6202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-38109=
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202225077841gmail-m_6384518272609364495m_6828367266780897085gmail-m_-381099=
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"><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_638451827=
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class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202225077841gmail-m_63845182726093644=
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es<br>
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
<br>
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<br>
=C2=A0 &quot;Yes, the <span><span class=3D"m_1691277291242287114m_286186202=
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The TEAS WG has placed draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics in state
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Comment:
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Leeyoung <leeyoung@huawei.com>
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All,

This is start of a two week poll on making
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document.
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All,
    The WG poll is closed.

Authors,
    Please republish draft-zheng-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-03 as
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-00 with only the date and file
name changed.

Thanks,
- Pavan and Lou.


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wrote:

> All,
>
> This is start of a two week poll on making
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> document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
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> The poll ends June 10th.
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Yes/support.

Young (as coauthor).

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 4:55 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics
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Hi everyone,



Yes/support



BR



Daniele



From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Young Lee
Sent: den 12 juni 2019 13:22
To: Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll - 
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics



Yes/support.



Young (as coauthor).



On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 4:55 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com 
<mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com> > wrote:

All,

This is start of a two week poll on making
draft-lee-teas-actn-pm-telemetry-autonomics-17 a TEAS working group document.
Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the
document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends June 26th.

Thanks,
Pavan and Lou

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On 12/6/2019 11:55, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote:
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Yes, I also support (as a co-author).=20

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Interworking of GMPLS Control and Centralized Controller System
        Authors         : Haomian Zheng
                          Xianlong Luo
                          Yang Zhao
                          Yunbin Xu
                          Sergio Belotti
                          Dieter Beller
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-00.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2019-06-12

Abstract:
   Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) control allows
   each network element (NE) to perform local resource discovery,
   routing and signaling in a distributed manner.

   On the other hand, with the development of software-defined
   transport networking technology, a set of NEs can be controlled via
   centralized controller hierarchies to address the issue from multi-
   domain, multi-vendor and multi-technology. An example of such
   centralized architecture is ACTN controller hierarchy described in
   RFC 8453.

   Instead of competing with each other, both the distributed and the
   centralized control plane have their own advantages, and should be
   complementary in the system. This document describes how the GMPLS
   distributed control plane can interwork with a centralized
   controller system in a transport network.


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-controller-inter-work-00


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Yes/support

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>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 4:55 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com>=
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>> All,
>>=20
>> This is start of a two week poll on making
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>> The poll ends June 26th.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Yes/support<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">Regards,<div>Jeff</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 4:55 AM Vishnu Pavan Beeram &lt;<a href="mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com">vishnupavan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">All,<br>
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Yes/support.


Aihua

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All,

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Russ, thanks for your review. Xufeng, thanks for your response. The =
security considerations look good to me. I entered a No Objection =
ballot.

Alissa

> On May 2, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com> =
wrote:
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> Hi Russ,
>=20
> Thanks for checking on this document.
>=20
> Regarding the Security Considerations section, there is a recent =
update to the guidelines =
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines =
<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines>. =
[RFC5246] has been obsoleted by [RFC8446],  and [RFC6536] has been =
obsoleted by [RFC8341]. Therefore, this document has been updated with =
[RFC8446] and [RFC8341] instead, according to the updated guidelines.
>=20
> Please let us know if this is correct.
>=20
> Thanks,
> - Xufeng
>=20
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 9:43 AM Russ Housley via Datatracker =
<noreply@ietf.org <mailto:noreply@ietf.org>> wrote:
> Reviewer: Russ Housley
> Review result: Not Ready
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> <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq =
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> Document: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-20
> Reviewer: Russ Housley
> Review Date: 2019-05-02
> IETF LC End Date: 2019-05-15
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> Summary: Not Ready
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> Major Concerns:
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> See https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines =
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> Security Considerations section MUST follow the template provided on
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> [RFC5246] and [RFC6536], among others. These two RFCs do not appear
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> Minor Concerns:
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charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Russ,=
 thanks for your review. Xufeng, thanks for your response. The security =
considerations look good to me. I entered a No Objection ballot.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Alissa<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On May 2, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Xufeng Liu &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hi =
Russ,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks =
for checking on this document.<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Regarding the Security Considerations =
section, there is a recent update to the guidelines <a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines</a=
>. [RFC5246] has been obsoleted by [RFC8446],&nbsp; and [RFC6536] has =
been obsoleted by [RFC8341]. Therefore, this document has been updated =
with [RFC8446] and [RFC8341] instead, according to the updated =
guidelines.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Please let us know if this is correct.</div><div class=3D""><br=
 class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D"">- =
Xufeng<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, May =
2, 2019 at 9:43 AM Russ Housley via Datatracker &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:noreply@ietf.org" class=3D"">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Russ Housley<br class=3D"">
Review result: Not Ready<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area<br =
class=3D"">
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed<br =
class=3D"">
by the IESG for the IETF Chair.&nbsp; Please treat these comments =
just<br class=3D"">
like any other last call comments.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
For more information, please see the FAQ at<br class=3D"">
&lt;<a href=3D"http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq</a>&gt;=
.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Document: draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-20<br class=3D"">
Reviewer: Russ Housley<br class=3D"">
Review Date: 2019-05-02<br class=3D"">
IETF LC End Date: 2019-05-15<br class=3D"">
IESG Telechat date: Unknown<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Summary: Not Ready<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Major Concerns:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
See <a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines</a=
>.&nbsp; The<br class=3D"">
Security Considerations section MUST follow the template provided on<br =
class=3D"">
that web page, and the guidelines require normative references to<br =
class=3D"">
[RFC5246] and [RFC6536], among others. These two RFCs do not appear<br =
class=3D"">
in the references.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Minor Concerns:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
None<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Nits:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
The TOC contains several lines where the heading goes past the column<br =
class=3D"">
of page numbers.&nbsp; Reformatting would make this much easier to =
read.<br class=3D"">
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Yes/Support.

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Reviewer: Radek Krejčí
Review result: On the Right Track

This is my YANG doctor review of draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-21 containing 2 YANG
modules: - ietf-te@2019-04-09.yang - ietf-te-device@2019-04-09.yang The draft
and both modules follows NMDA.

Since I'm not expert in the area, the review focuses on YANG-specifics.

Draft text
----------
1. The second paragraph in 3.2  - items of the list are not properly formatted.

Both YANG modules
-----------------

2. Some of the multiline strings (descriptions) are not correctly formatted,
there is:

     "some
     text";

   instead of

     "some
      text";

   Also better consistency in writing description as a sentence (with capital
   first letter and full stop at the end) or not would be nice.

3. Remove WG Chairs from contact information (see
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8407#appendix-B)

ietf-te@2019-04-09.yang
-----------------------

4. grouping path-properties:
path-properties/path-route-objects/path-computed-route-objects
   - The list is defined as ordered-by user, but as a config false item
   (inherited from path-route-objects), the ordered-by statement is ignored
   (RFC 7950: 7.7.7.).

5. grouping p2p-path-properties-common :path-computation-server
   grouping p2p-path-properties-common :use-path-computation
   - Use derived-from-or-self() in when-stmt expression instead of comparing
   string values (RFC 8407: 4.6.2.).

6. There is a number of single-instantiated groupings:
   - p2p-reverse-path-properties
   - p2p-primary-reverse-path-properties
   - p2p-secondary-reverse-path-properties
   - p2p-primary-path-properties
   - p2p-secondary-path-properties
   - hierarchical-link-properties
   - protection-restoration-properties-state
   - ... (mybe the most of all that groupings)
   While it is a good mechanism to allow repeated instantiation of a group of
   statements, it can produce kind of "spaghetti code" - with such a number of
   groupings, it is quite challenging for human readers to follow the schema.
   And one of the YANG advantages is its readability. Please consider, if there
   is some real possibility to reuse groupings somewhere outside the schema
   itself. If yes, then ok - readability is the price for reuseability, but
   otherwise you actually don't get anything for poor readability.

7. grouping p2p-reverse-path-properties: named-path-constraint
   grouping p2p-path-properties: named-path-constraint
   - Use absolute leafref path, in this case you probably don't want to refer
   to something relative to the grouping (or something in the grouping), but
   specifically to /te/globals/... using relative path in this case really
   complicates ability to reuse the grouping somewhere else. Maybe in some
   cases this can be also an indicator of a grouping which is actually not
   supposed to be a separate grouping. - Similarly in the following nodes:
   grouping p2p-dependency-tunnels-properties:
   dependency-tunnels/dependency-tunnel/name grouping
   p2p-path-candidate-secondary-path-config: secondary-path ...

8. grouping protection-restoration-properties-state: lockout-of-normal
   grouping protection-restoration-properties-state: freeze
   - Weird formatting of the descriptions with the first and last empty lines.

9. grouping protection-restoration-properties: protection/hold-off-time
   grouping protection-restoration-properties: restoration/hold-of-time
   - Is there any compatibility reason to have 'milli-seconds' units? If not,
   change it to milliseconds.

10. grouping tunnel-p2p-associations-properties: association-objects(-extended)
    - As mentioned, I'm not an expert in the area, but what is the
    global-source (in contrast to source) and why is it a key of the lists? I
    didn't find it mentioned in RFC4872, so the reference is wrong. - Use lower
    case for the node identifiers (ID, extended-ID - other *-id identifiers in
    the document are lowercase)

11. RPCs and Notifications
    - From the descriptions, it is unclear what exactly the RPCs are supposed
    to do and about what the Notifications are supposed to notify. The
    description "TE tunnels RPC nodes" is completely useless.

ietf-te-device@2019-04-09.yang
------------------------------

12. grouping tunnel-device-config
    - It is not very clear why this grouping is actually defined, why other
    modules should import and instantiate this single-leaf grouping? At least
    the description must be improved. - Similarly, what are the use cases for
    interfaces-rpc and (empty) interfaces-notif (as 11)?

13. grouping te-admin-groups-config:
admin-group-type/named-admin-groups/named-admin-groups/named-admin-group
    grouping te-srlgs-config: srlg-type/named-srlgs/named-srlgs/named-srlg
    - Same as 7.

14. grouping te-srlgs-config: srlg-type/value-srlgs/values/value
    - The range actually covers whole range of the type itself.


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This starts a two-week working group last call for
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Resending to list so it makes it into the archive -- have no idea why it 
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Subject: 	答复: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04
Date: 	Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:03:48 +0000
From: 	Mipenghui (Kevin Mi) <mipenghui@huawei.com>
To: 	Aijun Wang <wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn>, 'Lou Berger' 
<lberger@labn.net>, huangxh@bupt.edu.cn <huangxh@bupt.edu.cn>, 
koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn <koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn>, li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com 
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Hi, All:

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Thanks,

Penghui Mi

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Aijun Wang [mailto:wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn] 发送时间: 
2019年6月12日 15:00
收件人: 'Lou Berger' <lberger@labn.net>; huangxh@bupt.edu.cn; 
koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn; li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com; Mipenghui (Kevin Mi) 
<mipenghui@huawei.com>
抄送: 'TEAS WG' <teas@ietf.org>
主题: 答复: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04

Hi, All:

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.


Best Regards.

Aijun Wang
Network R&D and Operation Support Department China Telecom Corporation 
Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China.

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
发送时间: 2019年6月12日 7:34
收件人: wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn; huangxh@bupt.edu.cn; 
koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn; li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com; mipenghui@huawei.com
抄送: TEAS WG
主题: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04




Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules 
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If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
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appropriate.

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above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are 
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next 
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed 
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TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed 
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IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware 
of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from 
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undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above 
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Thank you,
TEAS WG Chairs

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            <td>Mipenghui (Kevin Mi) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mipenghui@huawei.com">&lt;mipenghui@huawei.com&gt;</a></td>
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            <td>Aijun Wang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn">&lt;wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn&gt;</a>, 'Lou
              Berger' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lberger@labn.net">&lt;lberger@labn.net&gt;</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:huangxh@bupt.edu.cn">huangxh@bupt.edu.cn</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:huangxh@bupt.edu.cn">&lt;huangxh@bupt.edu.cn&gt;</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn">koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn">&lt;koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn&gt;</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com">li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com">&lt;li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com&gt;</a></td>
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      Hi, All:<br>
      <br>
      No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      Penghui Mi<br>
      <br>
      -----邮件原件-----<br>
      发件人: Aijun Wang [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn">mailto:wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn</a>] 发送时间:
      2019年6月12日 15:00<br>
      收件人: 'Lou Berger' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lberger@labn.net">&lt;lberger@labn.net&gt;</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:huangxh@bupt.edu.cn">huangxh@bupt.edu.cn</a>;
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn">koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com">li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com</a>; Mipenghui (Kevin
      Mi) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mipenghui@huawei.com">&lt;mipenghui@huawei.com&gt;</a><br>
      抄送: 'TEAS WG' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:teas@ietf.org">&lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;</a><br>
      主题: 答复: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04<br>
      <br>
      Hi, All:<br>
      <br>
      No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Best Regards.<br>
      <br>
      Aijun Wang<br>
      Network R&amp;D and Operation Support Department China Telecom
      Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, China.<br>
      <br>
      -----邮件原件-----<br>
      发件人: Lou Berger [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lberger@labn.net">mailto:lberger@labn.net</a>]<br>
      发送时间: 2019年6月12日 7:34<br>
      收件人: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn">wangaj.bri@chinatelecom.cn</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:huangxh@bupt.edu.cn">huangxh@bupt.edu.cn</a>;
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn">koucx@lsec.cc.ac.cn</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com">li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com</a>;
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mipenghui@huawei.com">mipenghui@huawei.com</a><br>
      抄送: TEAS WG<br>
      主题: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-04<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Authors, Contributors, WG,<br>
      <br>
      As part of preparation for WG Last Call<br>
      <br>
      Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?<br>
      <br>
      Please state either:<br>
      <br>
      "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"<br>
      or<br>
      "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"<br>
      <br>
      If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR
      rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?<br>
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      rules"<br>
      or<br>
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      If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
      appropriate.<br>
      <br>
      If you are listed as a document author or contributor please
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      or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not
      advance to the next stage until a response has been received from
      each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF
      YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.<br>
      <br>
      If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not
      listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your
      obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to
      notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF
      contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution
      or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more
      information, please see the RFCs listed above and
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty">http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty</a>.<br>
      <br>
      Thank you,<br>
      TEAS WG Chairs<br>
      <br>
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Hi Roman,

Thanks for the review and comments. Please see some reponses and
explanations in-line below.
Regards,
- Xufeng


On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:35 PM Roman Danyliw via Datatracker <
noreply@ietf.org> wrote:

> Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-21: No Objection
>
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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> (1) Section 4.2.  Per =E2=80=9CThe data model proposed in this document c=
an be
> used to
> retrieve/represent/manipulate the customized TE Topology depicted in
> Figure 8b=E2=80=9D
> this statement struck me as odd because aren=E2=80=99t all of the topolog=
ies
> depicted
> here supported with the modeling language?
>
Xufeng]: This sentence is here because that the title of Section 4.2. is
=E2=80=9CCustomized TE Topologies=E2=80=9D, which is the focus of this sect=
ion. It is
correct that many other types of topologies are supported by this model.
For example, Section 4.1. focuses on =E2=80=9CNative TE Topologies=E2=80=9D=
, and Section
4.3 focuses on =E2=80=9Cmerged topologies=E2=80=9D.

>
> (2) Section 4.2.  Per =E2=80=9CAlthough an authorized client MAY receive =
a TE
> topology
> with the client ID field   matching some other client=E2=80=9D, why would=
 this
> happen?
> Couldn=E2=80=99t this potentially leak customized TE information across c=
lients?
>
[Xufeng]: Right. This does leak the information across clients. Whether to
allow this or not is an implementation policy, which can be supported by
other IETF documents and models, such as RFC8341 Network Configuration
Access Control Model. Section 8. contains the following:

The Network Configuration Access Control Model (NACM) [RFC8341]
provides the means to restrict access for particular NETCONF or
RESTCONF users to a preconfigured subset of all available NETCONF or
RESTCONF protocol operations and content.

>
> (3) Section 5.9.  Per =E2=80=9CWhen two or more templates specify values =
for the
> same
> configuration field, the value from the template with the highest priorit=
y
> is
> used=E2=80=9D, is the highest priority 0 or 65535 (since priority is a ui=
nt16)?
> The
> text doesn=E2=80=99t indicate whether the highest priority is a largest o=
r smallest
> number.
>
[Xufeng]: Thanks for pointing this out. We will clarify the text, by adding
the following after the quoted sentence:

=E2=80=9CThe range of the priority is from 0 to 65535, with a lower number =
indicat
ing a higher priority.=E2=80=9D

Also, in the description statement in the model, a sentence will be added:
Page 87:
[OLD]:
       leaf priority {
         type uint16;
         description
           "The preference value to resolve conflicts between different
            templates. When two or more templates specify values for
            one configuration attribute, the value from the template
            with the highest priority is used.";
       }
[NEW]:
       leaf priority {
         type uint16;
         description
           "The preference value to resolve conflicts between different
            templates. When two or more templates specify values for
            one configuration attribute, the value from the template
            with the highest priority is used.
            A lower number indicates a higher priority. The highest
priority is 0. ";
       }
[END]


>
> (4) Editorial Nits
> -- Section 3.4.  Missing word.  s/3.3/Section 3.3/
>
> -- Section 4.2.  Typo.  s/-connectivit-/-connectivity-/
>
> -- Section 4.2.  Editorial.  Why does
> =E2=80=9Csingle-abstract-node-with-connectivit
> =E2=80=93matrix topology=E2=80=9D use hyphens and
> =E2=80=9Cborder_nodes_connected_via_mesh_of_abstract_links topology=E2=80=
=9D use an
> underscore?
>
[Xufeng]: Will change the underscores to hyphens.

>
> -- Section 4.2.  Typo.  s/Although a/Although an/
>
> -- Section 5.6.  Typo.  s/cooresponding/corresponding/
>
[Xufeng]: Thanks for these catches. Will fix them as suggested.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Roman,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the rev=
iew and comments. Please see some reponses and explanations in-line below.<=
/div><div>Regards,</div><div>- Xufeng<br></div><div><br></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 11, 201=
9 at 9:35 PM Roman Danyliw via Datatracker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noreply@ie=
tf.org">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204=
,204);padding-left:1ex">Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot posi=
tion for<br>
draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-21: No Objection<br>
<br>
When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all<br>
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this<br>
introductory paragraph, however.)<br>
<br>
<br>
Please refer to <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-crit=
eria.html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/iesg/s=
tatement/discuss-criteria.html</a><br>
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.<br>
<br>
<br>
The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo/" =
rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
COMMENT:<br>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
<br>
(1) Section 4.2.=C2=A0 Per =E2=80=9CThe data model proposed in this documen=
t can be used to<br>
retrieve/represent/manipulate the customized TE Topology depicted in Figure=
 8b=E2=80=9D<br>
this statement struck me as odd because aren=E2=80=99t all of the topologie=
s depicted<br>
here supported with the modeling language?<br></blockquote><div>


=09
	<span></span>
=09
=09


<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font=
-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">This
sentence is here because that the title of Section 4.2. is
=E2=80=9CCustomized TE Topologies=E2=80=9D, which is the focus of this sect=
ion.
It is correct that many other types of topologies are supported by
this model.  For example, Section 4.1. focuses on =E2=80=9CNative TE
Topologies=E2=80=9D, and </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font=
 style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Section
4.3 focuses on =E2=80=9Cmerged topologies=E2=80=9D. </span></font></font>
</p></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
(2) Section 4.2.=C2=A0 Per =E2=80=9CAlthough an authorized client MAY recei=
ve a TE topology<br>
with the client ID field=C2=A0 =C2=A0matching some other client=E2=80=9D, w=
hy would this happen? <br>
Couldn=E2=80=99t this potentially leak customized TE information across cli=
ents?<br></blockquote><div>


=09
	<span></span>
=09
=09


<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font=
-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Right.
This does leak </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"=
font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">the
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">info</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5=
c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">rmati=
on
across clients. W</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=
=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">hether
to </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12=
pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">allow</span></font></font><font color=
=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US"=
>
this or not is an implementation policy, which </span></font></font><font c=
olor=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en=
-US">can
be supported by other IETF documents and models, such as RFC8341
Network Configuration Access Control Model</span></font></font><font color=
=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US"=
>.
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Section
8. contains the following:</span></font></font></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"> <font color=3D"#0066b3">
 The Network Configuration Access Control Model (NACM) [RFC8341]</font></p>=
<font color=3D"#0066b3">provides the means to restrict access for particula=
r NETCONF or</font><font color=3D"#0066b3"><br>RESTCONF users to a preconfi=
gured subset of all available NETCONF or</font><font color=3D"#0066b3"><br>=
RESTCONF protocol operations and content.</font>=C2=A0

<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
(3) Section 5.9.=C2=A0 Per =E2=80=9CWhen two or more templates specify valu=
es for the same<br>
configuration field, the value from the template with the highest priority =
is<br>
used=E2=80=9D, is the highest priority 0 or 65535 (since priority is a uint=
16)?=C2=A0 The<br>
text doesn=E2=80=99t indicate whether the highest priority is a largest or =
smallest<br>
number.<br></blockquote><div>


=09
	<span></span>
=09
=09


<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font=
-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Thanks
for pointing this out. We will clarify the text, by adding the
following after the quoted sentence:</span></font></font></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91">=20
=E2=80=9C<font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">The
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">range
of the </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">priority
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">is
from 0 to </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-=
size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">
65535, </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">with
a</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt=
" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">
lower number indicat</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">ing</span></font></fon=
t><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span l=
ang=3D"en-US">
a higher priority.=E2=80=9D </span></font></font>
</p>

<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font=
-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Also,
in the description statement in the model, a sentence will be added:</span>=
</font></font></p><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" si=
ze=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Page
87:</span></font></font>=C2=A0

<br></div><div>[OLD]:<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf priority {<br>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type uint16;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0description<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;The pre=
ference value to resolve conflicts between different<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 templates. When two or more templates specify valu=
es for<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 one configuration attri=
bute, the value from the template<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 with the highest priority is used.&quot;;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0}<br>[NEW]:<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0leaf priority {<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0type uint16;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0d=
escription<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;The preference=
 value to resolve conflicts between different<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 templates. When two or more templates specify values for<=
br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 one configuration attribute, t=
he value from the template<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 wit=
h the highest priority is used.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 <span style=3D"color:rgb(142,124,195)">A lower number indicates a highe=
r priority. The highest priority is 0.</span> &quot;;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0}<br>[END]<br>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">
<br>
(4) Editorial Nits<br>
-- Section 3.4.=C2=A0 Missing word.=C2=A0 s/3.3/Section 3.3/<br>
<br>
-- Section 4.2.=C2=A0 Typo.=C2=A0 s/-connectivit-/-connectivity-/<br>
<br>
-- Section 4.2.=C2=A0 Editorial.=C2=A0 Why does =E2=80=9Csingle-abstract-no=
de-with-connectivit<br>
=E2=80=93matrix topology=E2=80=9D use hyphens and<br>
=E2=80=9Cborder_nodes_connected_via_mesh_of_abstract_links topology=E2=80=
=9D use an underscore?<br></blockquote><div>


=09
	<span></span>
=09
=09


<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font=
-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Will
change the underscores to hyphens</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d9=
1"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">.</span><=
/font></font></p></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
-- Section 4.2.=C2=A0 Typo.=C2=A0 s/Although a/Although an/<br>
<br>
-- Section 5.6.=C2=A0 Typo.=C2=A0 s/cooresponding/corresponding/<br></block=
quote><div>


=09
	<span></span>
=09
=09


<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font=
-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Thanks
for these catches. Will fix them </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d9=
1"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">as
suggested</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-s=
ize:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">.</span></font></font></p></div><=
/div></div>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : A Yang Data Model for VN Operation
        Authors         : Young Lee
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniele Ceccarelli
                          Igor Bryskin
                          Bin Yeong Yoon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-05.txt
	Pages           : 56
	Date            : 2019-06-14

Abstract:
   This document provides a YANG data model generally applicable to any
   mode of Virtual Network (VN) operation.




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Hi WG,

The changes for this revision are as follows:

- Added in Introduction Section on how the VN model can support 5G transpor=
t context.=20
- in Section 3.2: case 2 --- clarified how VN model is used along with TE-t=
opo Connectivity matrices construct and added a paragraph to introduce the =
JSON example of the models (in Section 7)
- For YANG model: converted "ltp" from configurable parameter to leafref ty=
pe; added references for imported modules.
- Editorial: affiliation changes for a co-author; Compliant with five front=
 page authors' list.=20

Thanks.
Young & Dhruv

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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        Title           : A Yang Data Model for VN Operation
        Authors         : Young Lee
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniele Ceccarelli
                          Igor Bryskin
                          Bin Yeong Yoon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-05.txt
	Pages           : 56
	Date            : 2019-06-14

Abstract:
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Hi WG,

One more thing, please make use of github for raising issues and providing =
comments on VN Yang model:
https://github.com/younglee-ietf/actn-cmi

Thanks.
Young

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Hi WG,

The changes for this revision are as follows:

- Added in Introduction Section on how the VN model can support 5G transpor=
t context.=20
- in Section 3.2: case 2 --- clarified how VN model is used along with TE-t=
opo Connectivity matrices construct and added a paragraph to introduce the =
JSON example of the models (in Section 7)
- For YANG model: converted "ltp" from configurable parameter to leafref ty=
pe; added references for imported modules.
- Editorial: affiliation changes for a co-author; Compliant with five front=
 page authors' list.=20

Thanks.
Young & Dhruv

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signa=
ling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : A Yang Data Model for VN Operation
        Authors         : Young Lee
                          Dhruv Dhody
                          Daniele Ceccarelli
                          Igor Bryskin
                          Bin Yeong Yoon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-05.txt
	Pages           : 56
	Date            : 2019-06-14

Abstract:
   This document provides a YANG data model generally applicable to any
   mode of Virtual Network (VN) operation.




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Hi Xufeng!

On Jun 14, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Xufeng Liu <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:=
xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Roman,

Thanks for the review and comments. Please see some reponses and explanatio=
ns in-line below.
Regards,
- Xufeng


On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:35 PM Roman Danyliw via Datatracker <noreply@ietf=
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COMMENT:
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(1) Section 4.2.  Per =93The data model proposed in this document can be us=
ed to
retrieve/represent/manipulate the customized TE Topology depicted in Figure=
 8b=94
this statement struck me as odd because aren=92t all of the topologies depi=
cted
here supported with the modeling language?

Xufeng]: This sentence is here because that the title of Section 4.2. is =
=93Customized TE Topologies=94, which is the focus of this section. It is c=
orrect that many other types of topologies are supported by this model. For=
 example, Section 4.1. focuses on =93Native TE Topologies=94, and Section 4=
.3 focuses on =93merged topologies=94.


Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

(2) Section 4.2.  Per =93Although an authorized client MAY receive a TE top=
ology
with the client ID field   matching some other client=94, why would this ha=
ppen?
Couldn=92t this potentially leak customized TE information across clients?

[Xufeng]: Right. This does leak the information across clients. Whether to =
allow this or not is an implementation policy, which can be supported by ot=
her IETF documents and models, such as RFC8341 Network Configuration Access=
 Control Model. Section 8. contains the following:

The Network Configuration Access Control Model (NACM) [RFC8341]

provides the means to restrict access for particular NETCONF or
RESTCONF users to a preconfigured subset of all available NETCONF or
RESTCONF protocol operations and content.

Understood. As non-blocking feedback, I=92d recommend adding sentence to ex=
plain this nuance.



(3) Section 5.9.  Per =93When two or more templates specify values for the =
same
configuration field, the value from the template with the highest priority =
is
used=94, is the highest priority 0 or 65535 (since priority is a uint16)?  =
The
text doesn=92t indicate whether the highest priority is a largest or smalle=
st
number.

[Xufeng]: Thanks for pointing this out. We will clarify the text, by adding=
 the following after the quoted sentence:

=93The range of the priority is from 0 to 65535, with a lower number indica=
ting a higher priority.=94

Also, in the description statement in the model, a sentence will be added:

Page 87:
[OLD]:
       leaf priority {
         type uint16;
         description
           "The preference value to resolve conflicts between different
            templates. When two or more templates specify values for
            one configuration attribute, the value from the template
            with the highest priority is used.";
       }
[NEW]:
       leaf priority {
         type uint16;
         description
           "The preference value to resolve conflicts between different
            templates. When two or more templates specify values for
            one configuration attribute, the value from the template
            with the highest priority is used.
            A lower number indicates a higher priority. The highest priorit=
y is 0. ";
       }
[END]


(4) Editorial Nits
-- Section 3.4.  Missing word.  s/3.3/Section 3.3/

-- Section 4.2.  Typo.  s/-connectivit-/-connectivity-/

-- Section 4.2.  Editorial.  Why does =93single-abstract-node-with-connecti=
vit
=96matrix topology=94 use hyphens and
=93border_nodes_connected_via_mesh_of_abstract_links topology=94 use an und=
erscore?

[Xufeng]: Will change the underscores to hyphens.

-- Section 4.2.  Typo.  s/Although a/Although an/

-- Section 5.6.  Typo.  s/cooresponding/corresponding/

[Xufeng]: Thanks for these catches. Will fix them as suggested.

Thanks for making these other changes and for the document.

Roman

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Xufeng!</div>
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On Jun 14, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Xufeng Liu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:xufeng.liu.i=
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the review and comments. Please see some reponses and expla=
nations in-line below.</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>- Xufeng<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 9:35 PM Roman=
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tf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div>
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left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<br>
(1) Section 4.2.&nbsp; Per =93The data model proposed in this document can =
be used to<br>
retrieve/represent/manipulate the customized TE Topology depicted in Figure=
 8b=94<br>
this statement struck me as odd because aren=92t all of the topologies depi=
cted<br>
here supported with the modeling language?<br>
</blockquote>
<div><span></span>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">This sentence is here because that the tit=
le of Section 4.2. is =93Customized TE Topologies=94, which is the focus of=
 this section. It is correct that many other
 types of topologies are supported by this model. For example, Section 4.1.=
 focuses on =93Native TE Topologies=94, and
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Section 4.3 focuses on =93merged topologie=
s=94.
</span></font></font></p>
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left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
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</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Got it. Thanks for the clarification.</div>
<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
(2) Section 4.2.&nbsp; Per =93Although an authorized client MAY receive a T=
E topology<br>
with the client ID field&nbsp; &nbsp;matching some other client=94, why wou=
ld this happen? <br>
Couldn=92t this potentially leak customized TE information across clients?<=
br>
</blockquote>
<div><span></span>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Right. This does leak
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">the
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">info</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5=
c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">rmati=
on across clients. W</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">hether
 to </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:1=
2pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">allow</span></font></font><font color=
=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US"=
> this or not is an implementation policy, which
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">can be supported by other IETF documents a=
nd models, such as RFC8341 Network Configuration Access Control Model</span=
></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=
=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">.
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Section 8. contains the following:</span><=
/font></font></p>
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eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#0066b3">The Network Configuration Access Control Model (NAC=
M) [RFC8341]</font></p>
<font color=3D"#0066b3">provides the means to restrict access for particula=
r NETCONF or</font><font color=3D"#0066b3"><br>
RESTCONF users to a preconfigured subset of all available NETCONF or</font>=
<font color=3D"#0066b3"><br>
RESTCONF protocol operations and content.</font>&nbsp; <br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Understood. As non-blocking feedback, I=92d recommend adding sentence =
to explain this nuance.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<br>
(3) Section 5.9.&nbsp; Per =93When two or more templates specify values for=
 the same<br>
configuration field, the value from the template with the highest priority =
is<br>
used=94, is the highest priority 0 or 65535 (since priority is a uint16)?&n=
bsp; The<br>
text doesn=92t indicate whether the highest priority is a largest or smalle=
st<br>
number.<br>
</blockquote>
<div><span></span>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Thanks for pointing this out. We will clar=
ify the text, by adding the following after the quoted sentence:</span></fo=
nt></font></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91">=93<font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span =
lang=3D"en-US">The
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">range of the
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">priority
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">is from 0 to
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
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</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
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#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US"> lo=
wer number indicat</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=
=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">ing</span></font></font=
><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span la=
ng=3D"en-US">
 a higher priority.=94 </span></font></font></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">Also, in the description statement in the model, a sentence wil=
l be added:</span></font></font></p>
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">Page 87:</span></font></font>&nbsp;
<br>
</div>
<div>[OLD]:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;leaf priority {<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;type uint16;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;description<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;The preference value to reso=
lve conflicts between different<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; templates. When two or more templ=
ates specify values for<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; one configuration attribute, the =
value from the template<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; with the highest priority is used=
.&quot;;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;}<br>
[NEW]:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;leaf priority {<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;type uint16;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;description<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&quot;The preference value to reso=
lve conflicts between different<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; templates. When two or more templ=
ates specify values for<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; one configuration attribute, the =
value from the template<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; with the highest priority is used=
.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <span style=3D"color:rgb(142,124,=
195)">A lower number indicates a higher priority. The highest priority is 0=
.</span> &quot;;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;}<br>
[END]<br>
&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
(4) Editorial Nits<br>
-- Section 3.4.&nbsp; Missing word.&nbsp; s/3.3/Section 3.3/<br>
<br>
-- Section 4.2.&nbsp; Typo.&nbsp; s/-connectivit-/-connectivity-/<br>
<br>
-- Section 4.2.&nbsp; Editorial.&nbsp; Why does =93single-abstract-node-wit=
h-connectivit<br>
=96matrix topology=94 use hyphens and<br>
=93border_nodes_connected_via_mesh_of_abstract_links topology=94 use an und=
erscore?<br>
</blockquote>
<div><span></span>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Will change the underscores to hyphens</sp=
an></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" siz=
e=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">.</span></font></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
-- Section 4.2.&nbsp; Typo.&nbsp; s/Although a/Although an/<br>
<br>
-- Section 5.6.&nbsp; Typo.&nbsp; s/cooresponding/corresponding/<br>
</blockquote>
<div><span></span>
<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]:
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Thanks for these catches. Will fix them
</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">as suggested</span></font></font><font col=
or=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-U=
S">.</span></font></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<div>Thanks for making these other changes and for the document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Roman</div>
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Support.

Best Regards,
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> *From:* Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Lou Berger
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> This starts a two-week working group last call for
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ite"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(33,37,41)"=
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ite"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(33,37,41)"=
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ite"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(33,37,41)"=
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ite"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(33,37,41)"=
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ite"><span style=3D"font-size:9pt;font-family:Consolas;color:rgb(33,37,41)"=
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Hi Roman,

(2) Section 4.2.  Per =E2=80=9CAlthough an authorized client MAY receive a =
TE
topology

> with the client ID field   matching some other client=E2=80=9D, why would=
 this
>> happen?
>> Couldn=E2=80=99t this potentially leak customized TE information across =
clients?
>>
> [Xufeng]: Right. This does leak the information across clients. Whether
> to allow this or not is an implementation policy, which can be supported
> by other IETF documents and models, such as RFC8341 Network Configuration
> Access Control Model. Section 8. contains the following:
>
> The Network Configuration Access Control Model (NACM) [RFC8341]
> provides the means to restrict access for particular NETCONF or
> RESTCONF users to a preconfigured subset of all available NETCONF or
> RESTCONF protocol operations and content.
>
>
> Understood. As non-blocking feedback, I=E2=80=99d recommend adding senten=
ce to
> explain this nuance.
>


[Xufeng]: Agree that a bit more description would be better. Would it be OK
to add the following to the end of this section:

Even though this data model allows to access TE topology information across
clients, implementations MAY restrict access for particular clients to
particular data fields. The Network Configuration Access Control Model
(NACM) [RFC8341] provides such a mechanism.

Thanks,

- Xufeng

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Roman,</div><div><br></div></div>=
(2) Section 4.2.=C2=A0 Per =E2=80=9CAlthough an authorized client MAY recei=
ve a TE topology<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
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mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">with the client ID field=C2=A0 =C2=A0matching s=
ome other client=E2=80=9D, why would this happen? <br>Couldn=E2=80=99t this=
 potentially leak customized TE information across clients?<br>
</blockquote>
<div><span></span>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1353926841908550982gmail-western" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:0in;font-family:&quot;Liberation Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;directi=
on:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);line-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lan=
g=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]: </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Right. This does lea=
k </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12p=
t" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">the </span></font></font><font color=3D"=
#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">inf=
o</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt=
" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">rmation across clients. W</span></font></=
font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><spa=
n lang=3D"en-US">hether to </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><fo=
nt style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">allow</span></f=
ont></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3=
"><span lang=3D"en-US"> this or not is an implementation policy, which </sp=
an></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" siz=
e=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">can be supported by other IETF documents and m=
odels, such as RFC8341 Network Configuration Access Control Model</span></f=
ont></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3=
"><span lang=3D"en-US">. </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font=
 style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Section 8. contai=
ns the following:</span></font></font></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1353926841908550982gmail-western" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:0in;font-family:&quot;Liberation Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;directi=
on:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);line-height:115%;text-align:left">
<font color=3D"#0066b3">The Network Configuration Access Control Model (NAC=
M) [RFC8341]</font></p>
<font color=3D"#0066b3">provides the means to restrict access for particula=
r NETCONF or</font><font color=3D"#0066b3"><br>RESTCONF users to a preconfi=
gured subset of all available NETCONF or</font><font color=3D"#0066b3"><br>=
RESTCONF protocol operations and content.</font>=C2=A0 <br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Understood. As non-blocking feedback, I=E2=80=99d recommend adding sen=
tence to explain this nuance.</div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0<span></sp=
an> 	 	<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&q=
uot;Liberation Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0=
,10);line-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=
=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">[Xufeng]: </span></font=
></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><=
span lang=3D"en-US">Agree that a bit more description would be better. Woul=
d it be OK to add the following to the end of this section:</span></font></=
font></p>

<p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Lib=
eration Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;direction:ltr;color:rgb(0,0,10);li=
ne-height:115%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font=
-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Even though this </span></font>=
</font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><s=
pan lang=3D"en-US">data </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font =
style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">model allows to ac=
cess </span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:=
12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">TE topology information across client=
s, implementations MAY restrict access for particular clients </span></font=
></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><=
span lang=3D"en-US">to</span></font></font><font color=3D"#5c2d91"><font st=
yle=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US"> particular data fie=
lds. </span></font></font><font color=3D"#0066b3"><font style=3D"font-size:=
12pt" size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">The Network Configuration Access Cont=
rol Model (NACM) [RFC8341] provides such a mechanism.</span></font></font><=
/p><p class=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;=
Liberation Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,10);line-height:1=
15%;text-align:left"><font color=3D"#0066b3"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt"=
 size=3D"3"><span lang=3D"en-US">Thanks,</span></font></font></p><p class=
=3D"gmail-western" style=3D"margin-bottom:0in;font-family:&quot;Liberation =
Serif&quot;,serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,10);line-height:115%;text-al=
ign:left"><font color=3D"#0066b3"><font style=3D"font-size:12pt" size=3D"3"=
><span lang=3D"en-US">- Xufeng<br></span></font></font></p><br></div></div>=
</div>

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Hi Juergen,

What is the DS architecture you have in mind with multiple client creating =
entries?

Are the two clients creating entries in the same <running> DS or in two dif=
ferent <running> DS?

In the latter case, the two clients could also rely on different <operation=
al> DS and therefore can assign the same name to different entries (since t=
hey will be instantiated in different DS). There is no need for them to avo=
id name clash

In the former case, a name clash would cause one client to override the con=
figuration of another client

Are the two clients aware of each other?

I take the opportunity to clarify one point (not sure I have been clear abo=
ut it). I do not think we need to define any rule which is enforced by the =
server to avoid name clashes since the server cannot understand whether the=
 name clash is intentional or not. I think we just need to define some know=
n/common/standard rules that allow the client(s) to avoid creating unintend=
ed name clashes.

Thanks, Italo

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Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and ephemeral=
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On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:

> [Italo Busi] If the client knows the prefix used by the server, it can=20
> pick up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries. I think=20
> this rule is not really complex and it seems much simpler than=20
> managing unintended name clashes

A prefix only helps a little. Once you have multiple clients creating entri=
es, you will have to handle collisions again. Sometimes solving the more ge=
neral case leads to solutions that also work nicely in simpler special case=
s.
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Reviewer: Mahesh Jethanandani
Review result: On the Right Track

I am not an expert in Traffic Engineering or in topology model. If my
understanding of the network topology models, feel free to educate me and
everyone else. This review is looking at the draft from a YANG perspective.
With that said, I have marked it as On the Right Track, because of some of the
points discussed below.

Summary:

This document defines a YANG data model for layer 3 traffic engineering
topologies.

Nits

This sentence construction does not sound right. Possibly add a 'that' between
'enforce' and 'the'.

"YANG must statements are used to enforce the referenced objects are in the
topologies of proper type."

Some amount of consistency in writing description and presence statement would
be nice. For example, the sentence should start with a capital letter.
Description statements should start on the same line as the keyword
'description' or they should start on a new line. Pick one and stick with it
through out the model.

Comments:

Having 19 pages of a tree diagram without any explanation for the different
sections of the tree diagram is hardly helpful. Suggest that --tree-depth and
--tree-path options be used in pyang to reduce the size of the tree and to
break it up into smaller pieces that can then be explained.

There seems to be two grouping with the same name (l3-te-topology-type), one
defined in this module, and other imported. It would be better if they had
different names. Same for l3-te-topology-attributes. Also, since the two
grouping defined in the module are used exactly once, they should be inlined
with where they are being used, instead of using the grouping/uses statement.
The justification for using them in notifications as articulated in RFC 8346
does not hold true for this module.

But perhaps what is most confusing is how the module has been architected. Per
RFC 8345, this module should augment the ietf-network module, which it does. It
inserts a new network-type, which is good. But then for any data nodes that are
specific to this network-type have to be defined. The only thing this module
defines is a network-ref (possibly to the underlay network). No name or id is
defined. If one has to reference this particular node, how would one do it? Are
you saying that the l3-topology-attributes, e.g. name, flag etc. are the same
between ietf-l3-unicast-topology and ietf-l3-te-topology? That somehow
referencing the ietf-l3-unicast-topology attributes will give me the
ietf-l3-te-topology attributes?? And that the l3-flag-type is the same for both
the underlay and the overlay??

The same is true for l3-node-attributes, l3-link-attributes and possibly
l3-termination-point-attributes.

A pyang compilation of the model with —ietf and —lint option was clean.
However, a validation of the example reveals errors:

err : Unknown element "provider-id".
(/ietf-network:networks/network[network-id='example-topo-te'])

A idnits run of the draft reveals a few issues. Please address them.

 Miscellaneous warnings:
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  == The document seems to lack the recommended RFC 2119 boilerplate, even
     if it appears to use RFC 2119 keywords.

     (The document does seem to have the reference to RFC 2119 which the
     ID-Checklist requires).
  -- The document date (March 11, 2019) is 99 days in the past.  Is this
     intentional?

  Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard
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     (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative
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  == Missing Reference: 'RFC3688' is mentioned on line 1799, but not defined

  == Missing Reference: 'RFC6020' is mentioned on line 1826, but not defined

  ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 5246 (Obsoleted by RFC 8446)

  ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 6536 (Obsoleted by RFC 8341)

  ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 7810 (Obsoleted by RFC 8570)

  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 7823

  == Outdated reference: A later version (-09) exists of
     draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-06

  == Outdated reference: A later version (-21) exists of
     draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-19

     Summary: 4 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 5 warnings (==), 1 comment (--).


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Hi Italo,

My interpretation of the NMDA guidelines are thus:

- If multiple clients are writing the same values to <running> then the cli=
ents must coordinate between themselves to ensure that the correct values a=
re written to <running>, otherwise the last verified change written to <run=
ning> wins.  Locks can be used to coordinate client writes to <running> if =
required.

- If multiple clients are writing to different datastores, e.g. one client =
is writing to <running> and another is writing to some form of ephemeral da=
tastore, then the ephemeral datastore definition must specify what mechanis=
m is used to resolve configuration conflicts between configuration datastor=
es.  Naively, my starting point would be to say that configuration in an ep=
hemeral datastore should override configuration that is in <running>.

- If the decision is from a data node configured in <running> and a data no=
de injected by the system into <operational> then it is up to the device to=
 decide how to resolve these (i.e. the system chooses which version of the =
data node to use, and the result of that decision is tagged in <operational=
> using the origin metadata).  Generally, I would expect an explicitly conf=
igured data node in <running> should take precedence over system generated =
config, but there might be cases where this doesn't make sense, and perhaps=
 there might be cases where the data model recommends different behaviour.

- I would assume that there is only a single <operational> datastore.  I'm =
not sure whether NMDA explicitly requires this, but we couldn't think of an=
y scenario where multiple operational datastores would be helpful.

Thanks,
Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Italo Busi
> Sent: 18 June 2019 18:24
> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
> Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; Andy Bierman
> <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
>=20
> Hi Juergen,
>=20
> What is the DS architecture you have in mind with multiple client creatin=
g
> entries?
>=20
> Are the two clients creating entries in the same <running> DS or in two
> different <running> DS?
>=20
> In the latter case, the two clients could also rely on different
> <operational> DS and therefore can assign the same name to different
> entries (since they will be instantiated in different DS). There is no
> need for them to avoid name clash
>=20
> In the former case, a name clash would cause one client to override the
> configuration of another client
>=20
> Are the two clients aware of each other?
>=20
> I take the opportunity to clarify one point (not sure I have been clear
> about it). I do not think we need to define any rule which is enforced by
> the server to avoid name clashes since the server cannot understand
> whether the name clash is intentional or not. I think we just need to
> define some known/common/standard rules that allow the client(s) to avoid
> creating unintended name clashes.
>=20
> Thanks, Italo
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]
> Sent: marted=EC 11 giugno 2019 20:37
> To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> Cc: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org; Tarek Saad
> <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; netmod@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
>=20
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:
>=20
> > [Italo Busi] If the client knows the prefix used by the server, it can
> > pick up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries. I think
> > this rule is not really complex and it seems much simpler than
> > managing unintended name clashes
>=20
> A prefix only helps a little. Once you have multiple clients creating
> entries, you will have to handle collisions again. Sometimes solving the
> more general case leads to solutions that also work nicely in simpler
> special cases.
>=20
> /js
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> --
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Hi Rob,

Thanks a lot for your comments

Your interpretation makes a lot of sense in case of an "intentional" name c=
lash (e.g., when an entry is configured by the client in the <running> DS t=
o configure some intended behavior, like admin status, for an entry injecte=
d by the system in the <operational> DS): in this case the same name/key va=
lue is used to indicate that the two DS entries are referring to the same e=
ntity

My concern is how to avoid "unintentional" name clashes (e.g., between an e=
ntry configured by the client in the <running> DS and another entry injecte=
d by the system in the <operational> DS) because in this situation the beha=
vior described below is not desirable: the two DS entries are actually refe=
rring to two different entities which by accident got assigned the same nam=
e/key value

Italo

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From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com]=20
Sent: mercoled=EC 19 giugno 2019 11:07
To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael=
der@jacobs-university.de>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; Andy Bierman <andy@y=
umaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral=
 list entries

Hi Italo,

My interpretation of the NMDA guidelines are thus:

- If multiple clients are writing the same values to <running> then the cli=
ents must coordinate between themselves to ensure that the correct values a=
re written to <running>, otherwise the last verified change written to <run=
ning> wins.  Locks can be used to coordinate client writes to <running> if =
required.

- If multiple clients are writing to different datastores, e.g. one client =
is writing to <running> and another is writing to some form of ephemeral da=
tastore, then the ephemeral datastore definition must specify what mechanis=
m is used to resolve configuration conflicts between configuration datastor=
es.  Naively, my starting point would be to say that configuration in an ep=
hemeral datastore should override configuration that is in <running>.

- If the decision is from a data node configured in <running> and a data no=
de injected by the system into <operational> then it is up to the device to=
 decide how to resolve these (i.e. the system chooses which version of the =
data node to use, and the result of that decision is tagged in <operational=
> using the origin metadata).  Generally, I would expect an explicitly conf=
igured data node in <running> should take precedence over system generated =
config, but there might be cases where this doesn't make sense, and perhaps=
 there might be cases where the data model recommends different behaviour.

- I would assume that there is only a single <operational> datastore.  I'm =
not sure whether NMDA explicitly requires this, but we couldn't think of an=
y scenario where multiple operational datastores would be helpful.

Thanks,
Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Italo Busi
> Sent: 18 June 2019 18:24
> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
> Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; Andy Bierman=20
> <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and=20
> ephemeral list entries
>=20
> Hi Juergen,
>=20
> What is the DS architecture you have in mind with multiple client=20
> creating entries?
>=20
> Are the two clients creating entries in the same <running> DS or in=20
> two different <running> DS?
>=20
> In the latter case, the two clients could also rely on different=20
> <operational> DS and therefore can assign the same name to different=20
> entries (since they will be instantiated in different DS). There is no=20
> need for them to avoid name clash
>=20
> In the former case, a name clash would cause one client to override=20
> the configuration of another client
>=20
> Are the two clients aware of each other?
>=20
> I take the opportunity to clarify one point (not sure I have been=20
> clear about it). I do not think we need to define any rule which is=20
> enforced by the server to avoid name clashes since the server cannot=20
> understand whether the name clash is intentional or not. I think we=20
> just need to define some known/common/standard rules that allow the=20
> client(s) to avoid creating unintended name clashes.
>=20
> Thanks, Italo
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder=20
> [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]
> Sent: marted=EC 11 giugno 2019 20:37
> To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> Cc: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org; Tarek Saad=20
> <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; netmod@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and=20
> ephemeral list entries
>=20
> On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:
>=20
> > [Italo Busi] If the client knows the prefix used by the server, it=20
> > can pick up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries. I=20
> > think this rule is not really complex and it seems much simpler than=20
> > managing unintended name clashes
>=20
> A prefix only helps a little. Once you have multiple clients creating=20
> entries, you will have to handle collisions again. Sometimes solving=20
> the more general case leads to solutions that also work nicely in=20
> simpler special cases.
>=20
> /js
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies
        Authors         : Xufeng Liu
                          Igor Bryskin
                          Vishnu Pavan Beeram
                          Tarek Saad
                          Himanshu Shah
                          Oscar Gonzalez De Dios
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-22.txt
	Pages           : 211
	Date            : 2019-06-19

Abstract:
   This document defines a YANG data model for representing, retrieving
   and manipulating Traffic Engineering (TE) Topologies. The model
   serves as a base model that other technology specific TE Topology
   models can augment.



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There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo-22

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Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and ephemeral list entries
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Hi Italo,

Using a prefix (which can also be configured by the user) for the system cr=
eated objects to avoid name collisions seems reasonable to me.  I wouldn't =
use a symbol (like #), but instead would suggest a prefix string like "sys-=
".

But I think that it is appropriate to solve this within the specific data m=
odel rather that requiring a system wide solution.

Thanks,
Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> Sent: 19 June 2019 13:51
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; Juergen Schoenwaelder
> <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
> Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; Andy Bierman
> <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
>=20
> Hi Rob,
>=20
> Thanks a lot for your comments
>=20
> Your interpretation makes a lot of sense in case of an "intentional" name
> clash (e.g., when an entry is configured by the client in the <running> D=
S
> to configure some intended behavior, like admin status, for an entry
> injected by the system in the <operational> DS): in this case the same
> name/key value is used to indicate that the two DS entries are referring
> to the same entity
>=20
> My concern is how to avoid "unintentional" name clashes (e.g., between an
> entry configured by the client in the <running> DS and another entry
> injected by the system in the <operational> DS) because in this situation
> the behavior described below is not desirable: the two DS entries are
> actually referring to two different entities which by accident got
> assigned the same name/key value
>=20
> Italo
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:rwilton@cisco.com]
> Sent: mercoled=EC 19 giugno 2019 11:07
> To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>; Juergen Schoenwaelder
> <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
> Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; Andy Bierman
> <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and
> ephemeral list entries
>=20
> Hi Italo,
>=20
> My interpretation of the NMDA guidelines are thus:
>=20
> - If multiple clients are writing the same values to <running> then the
> clients must coordinate between themselves to ensure that the correct
> values are written to <running>, otherwise the last verified change
> written to <running> wins.  Locks can be used to coordinate client writes
> to <running> if required.
>=20
> - If multiple clients are writing to different datastores, e.g. one clien=
t
> is writing to <running> and another is writing to some form of ephemeral
> datastore, then the ephemeral datastore definition must specify what
> mechanism is used to resolve configuration conflicts between configuratio=
n
> datastores.  Naively, my starting point would be to say that configuratio=
n
> in an ephemeral datastore should override configuration that is in
> <running>.
>=20
> - If the decision is from a data node configured in <running> and a data
> node injected by the system into <operational> then it is up to the devic=
e
> to decide how to resolve these (i.e. the system chooses which version of
> the data node to use, and the result of that decision is tagged in
> <operational> using the origin metadata).  Generally, I would expect an
> explicitly configured data node in <running> should take precedence over
> system generated config, but there might be cases where this doesn't make
> sense, and perhaps there might be cases where the data model recommends
> different behaviour.
>=20
> - I would assume that there is only a single <operational> datastore.  I'=
m
> not sure whether NMDA explicitly requires this, but we couldn't think of
> any scenario where multiple operational datastores would be helpful.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Rob
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Italo Busi
> > Sent: 18 June 2019 18:24
> > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
> > Cc: netmod@ietf.org; Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; Andy Bierman
> > <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Teas] [netmod] Key collision between configured and
> > ephemeral list entries
> >
> > Hi Juergen,
> >
> > What is the DS architecture you have in mind with multiple client
> > creating entries?
> >
> > Are the two clients creating entries in the same <running> DS or in
> > two different <running> DS?
> >
> > In the latter case, the two clients could also rely on different
> > <operational> DS and therefore can assign the same name to different
> > entries (since they will be instantiated in different DS). There is no
> > need for them to avoid name clash
> >
> > In the former case, a name clash would cause one client to override
> > the configuration of another client
> >
> > Are the two clients aware of each other?
> >
> > I take the opportunity to clarify one point (not sure I have been
> > clear about it). I do not think we need to define any rule which is
> > enforced by the server to avoid name clashes since the server cannot
> > understand whether the name clash is intentional or not. I think we
> > just need to define some known/common/standard rules that allow the
> > client(s) to avoid creating unintended name clashes.
> >
> > Thanks, Italo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Juergen Schoenwaelder
> > [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de]
> > Sent: marted=EC 11 giugno 2019 20:37
> > To: Italo Busi <Italo.Busi@huawei.com>
> > Cc: Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com>; teas@ietf.org; Tarek Saad
> > <tsaad.net@gmail.com>; netmod@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [netmod] [Teas] Key collision between configured and
> > ephemeral list entries
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 05:43:27PM +0000, Italo Busi wrote:
> >
> > > [Italo Busi] If the client knows the prefix used by the server, it
> > > can pick up a different prefix and use it to tag its own entries. I
> > > think this rule is not really complex and it seems much simpler than
> > > managing unintended name clashes
> >
> > A prefix only helps a little. Once you have multiple clients creating
> > entries, you will have to handle collisions again. Sometimes solving
> > the more general case leads to solutions that also work nicely in
> > simpler special cases.
> >
> > /js
> >
> > --
> > Juergen Schoenwaelder           Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH
> > Phone: +49 421 200 3587         Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany
> > Fax:   +49 421 200 3103         <https://www.jacobs-university.de/>
> >
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I've reviewed this document and support the publication.
Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 1:02 PM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

> All,
>
> This starts a two-week working group last call for
> draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05
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> The working group last call ends on June 27.
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> and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;ve reviewed this document and support the publi=
cation.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>- Xufeng<br></div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 13, 2019=
 at 1:02 PM Lou Berger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lberger@labn.net">lberger@labn=
.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex">All,<br>
<br>
This starts a two-week working group last call for<br>
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05<br>
<br>
The working group last call ends on June 27.<br>
Please send your comments to the working group mailing list.<br>
<br>
Positive comments, e.g., &quot;I&#39;ve reviewed this document<br>
and believe it is ready for publication&quot;, are welcome!<br>
This is useful and important, even from authors.<br>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Young Lee" <leeyoung@futurewei.com>
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> Hi WG,
>
> The changes for this revision are as follows:
>
> - Added in Introduction Section on how the VN model can support 5G
transport context.
> - in Section 3.2: case 2 --- clarified how VN model is used along with
TE-topo Connectivity matrices construct and added a paragraph to
introduce the JSON example of the models (in Section 7)
> - For YANG model: converted "ltp" from configurable parameter to
leafref type; added references for imported modules.
> - Editorial: affiliation changes for a co-author; Compliant with five
front page authors' list.

As I said of -03, rather short on references and some that are seem
wrong.
Look, for example, at
draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-yang-15.
to see the sort of level of reference that a YANG module benefits from.

Several of the existing references should be Normative, according to
YANG Guidelines.

You have
       import ietf-te-types { prefix "te-types";
           reference"I-D.ietf-teas-yang-te-types: Traffic Engineering

but in the list of prefixes, always a good thing to have, is
      | te-types| ietf-te-types  | [TE-Tunnel]     |

while the I-D References has
   [TE-tunnel] T. Saad, et al., "A YANG Data Model for Traffic
             Engineering Tunnels and Interfaces", work in progress:
             draft-ietf-teas-yang-te.
which looks like a mismatch.

VN is expanded in the text but I think needs expanding in the Title of
the I-D and in the YANG module; others need expanding on first use;
L3SM,  L2SM  and L1CSM

And I think you should provide a reference for VN up front, something
along the lines of
"For more information on Virtual Networks, see [RFC8453]"
in the Introduction, first paragraph. (I don't think that RFC8453 is a
brilliant reference for VN but I cannot find a better one).

Tom Petch

> Thanks.
> Young & Dhruv
>
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and
Signaling WG of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : A Yang Data Model for VN Operation
>         Authors         : Young Lee
>                           Dhruv Dhody
>                           Daniele Ceccarelli
>                           Igor Bryskin
>                           Bin Yeong Yoon
> Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-actn-vn-yang-05.txt
> Pages           : 56
> Date            : 2019-06-14
>
> Abstract:
>    This document provides a YANG data model generally applicable to
any
>    mode of Virtual Network (VN) operation.
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for pointing out the duplications and conflicts between
draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types and draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types. It is
planned to solve these duplications and conflicts as follows:
- Keep the basic ODU type definitions in draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types;
- Duplications are to be removed from draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types;
- draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types will re-use the types defined in
draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-type;
- draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types will define extended ODU types;

Regards,
- Xufeng

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:46 AM tom petch <ietfa@btconnect.com> wrote:

> And now it would appear  we have quadruplicate definitions with the
> advent of
> draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types
> which has a comprehensive, and different, set of ODU (upper case) types.
>
> Tom Petch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "t.petch" <ietfa@btconnect.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2019 4:43 PM
>
>
> > Tarek
> >
> > You asked about my reference to definitions in triplicate which my
> later
> > response did not expand on.
> >
> > The three I was counting were this I-D, exisiting IANA registries
> (some
> > of
> > which are identical to this I-D, some not) and the LSR I-D
> > draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg
> > which contains definitions of switching capability which I see
> > overlapping a part of this I-D.  I thought I saw an e-mail from
> > Stephane,
> > around Christmas, saying he would discuss this with other chairs but
> > cannot now find it so perhaps the wish was father to the thought.
> >
> > The LSR I-D is now in AD review on the LSR list and so may get more
> > attention.
> >
> > Tom Petch
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tarek Saad" <tsaad.net@gmail.com>
> > To: "tom petch" <daedulus@btconnect.com>; <ietf@ietf.org>; "Igor
> > Bryskin" <Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com>
> > Cc: <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org>; <teas-chairs@ietf.org>;
> > <teas@ietf.org>; <db3546@att.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 10:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Teas] Last Call: <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-09.txt>
> > (Traffic Engineering Common YANG Types) to Proposed Standard
> >
> >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > Thanks for sharing your feedback.
> > > I'm attaching Igor's response on this topic -- which I share his
> same
> > opinion.
> > > Please see more comments inline from me [TS]..
> > >
> > > =EF=BB=BFOn 5/15/19, 7:16 AM, "Teas on behalf of tom petch"
> > <teas-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of daedulus@btconnect.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >     The approach taken by this I-D worries me.
> > >
> > >     It provides YANG identities for a wide range of values used in
> TE,
> > such
> > >     as encoding types and switching capabilities; so far, so good.
> > > [TS]: As mentioned in abstract, the module is not strictly
> identities.
> > It is a collection of re-usable YANG groupings, types and identities.
> > >
> > >     These definitions were needed, and were in a large part created
> by
> > >     RFC3471, in 2003.  When the management of GMPLS was specified,
> in
> > MIB
> > >     modules, these definitions were put under IANA control and they
> > remain
> > >     there to this day.  They were updated by e.g. RFC8330 (February
> > 2018)
> > >     and RFC8363 (May 2018) so these IANA registries are not some
> dusty
> > old
> > >     relic but a current, living specification.
> > >
> > >     These YANG definitions have much in common with the IANA SMI
> > registries
> > >     but they are not the same.  A comparison of e.g. switching
> > capabilities
> > >     suggests that this YANG module is out-of-date compared with the
> > IANA SMI
> > >     registry (as with RFC8330, RFC8363) and omits several values for
> > no
> > >     stated reason ( the deprecated 2,3,4, 40 PBB-TE, 151 WSON-LSC).
> > > [TS]: it was not the intention to be exhaustive in covering all IANA
> > defined entities. However, the objective was to model enough that
> would
> > make TE feature (modelled in other modules) usable and to leverage the
> > power of YANG augmentation for any extensions that may not be covered
> in
> > a base model. Specifically, the authors favored the use of YANG
> > identities over enums to allow for the extensibility of augmentation.
> > >
> > >     The approach taken by other WG has been to take a IANA registry
> > and
> > >     provide a parallel YANG module under common IANA control as has
> > been
> > >     done for e.g. interfaces with both MIB module and YANG module
> > being
> > >     updated in parallel as appropriate.
> > >
> > >     Here something seems to have gone wrong.  We have a parallel set
> > of
> > >     definitions not acknowledging the existing ones and being
> > out-of-date
> > >     compared with the existing ones.
> > >
> > >     Furthermore, some of these definitions are duplicated in the
> work
> > of the
> > >     LSR WG giving us (at least) three definitions.
> > > [TS]: it would help to point to the duplication or thread that this
> > was discussed in. However, we believe that this document covers TE
> data
> > and hence LSR module(s) would need to eliminate duplication of any TE
> > data (if any).. LSR module can always import TE types to use the TE
> > definitions.
> > >
> > >     I raised this issue before Christmas 2018 and was told that the
> > chairs
> > >     of TEAS and LSR would get together and get back to me.  Nothing
> > appears
> > >     to have changed.
> > >
> > >     In passing, IANA has separate SMI registries for e.g.LSP
> encoding,
> > >     Switching Types and so on, which seems a sound engineering
> > approach,
> > >     allowing more flexible evolution compared to the 60-page
> monolith
> > of
> > >     this single YANG module.
> > > [TS]: In this effort, we've followed similar approach to RFC8294,
> > RFC6021. Etc.. Do you see the same concerns there too?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tarek
> > >
> > >     ..Tom Petch
> > >
> > >     ----- Original Message -----
> > >     From: "The IESG" <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
> > >     Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2019 9:47 PM
> > >
> > >     > The IESG has received a request from the Traffic Engineering
> > >     Architecture and
> > >     > Signaling WG (teas) to consider the following document: -
> > 'Traffic
> > >     > Engineering Common YANG Types'
> > >     >   <draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-09.txt> as Proposed Standard
> > >     >
> > >     > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and
> > solicits
> > >     final
> > >     > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to
> the
> > >     > ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2019-05-16. Exceptionally,
> > comments may
> > >     be
> > >     > sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain
> the
> > >     beginning of
> > >     > the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
> > >     >
> > >     > Abstract
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >    This document defines a collection of common data types and
> > >     groupings
> > >     >    in YANG data modeling language.  These derived common types
> > and
> > >     >    groupings are intended to be imported by modules that model
> > Traffic
> > >     >    Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities.
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     > The file can be obtained via
> > >     >
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/
> > >     >
> > >     > IESG discussion can be tracked via
> > >     >
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/ballot/
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >     >
> > >
> > >     _______________________________________________
> > >     Teas mailing list
> > >     Teas@ietf.org
> > >     https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Tom,</div><div>Thanks for pointing out the duplica=
tions and conflicts between draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types and draft-ietf-te=
as-yang-te-types. It is planned to solve these duplications and conflicts a=
s follows:</div><div>- Keep the basic ODU type definitions in draft-ietf-te=
as-yang-te-types;</div><div>- Duplications are to be removed from draft-iet=
f-ccamp-layer1-types;<br>- draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types will re-use the ty=
pes defined in=20
draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-type;

</div><div>- draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types will define extended ODU types;<=
br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div>- Xufeng<br></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun=
 12, 2019 at 11:46 AM tom petch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietfa@btconnect.com">=
ietfa@btconnect.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex">And now it would appear=C2=A0 we have quadruplicate defi=
nitions with the<br>advent of<br>draft-ietf-ccamp-layer1-types<br>which has=
 a comprehensive, and different, set of ODU (upper case) types.<br>
<br>Tom Petch<br>
<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;t.petch&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:ietfa@btconnect.com" target=3D"_blank">ietfa@btconnect.com</a>&g=
t;<br>Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2019 4:43 PM<br>
<br>
<br>&gt; Tarek<br>&gt;<br>&gt; You asked about my reference to definitions =
in triplicate which my<br>later<br>&gt; response did not expand on.<br>&gt;=
<br>&gt; The three I was counting were this I-D, exisiting IANA registries<=
br>(some<br>&gt; of<br>&gt; which are identical to this I-D, some not) and =
the LSR I-D<br>&gt; draft-ietf-isis-yang-isis-cfg<br>&gt; which contains de=
finitions of switching capability which I see<br>&gt; overlapping a part of=
 this I-D.=C2=A0 I thought I saw an e-mail from<br>&gt; Stephane,<br>&gt; a=
round Christmas, saying he would discuss this with other chairs but<br>&gt;=
 cannot now find it so perhaps the wish was father to the thought.<br>&gt;<=
br>&gt; The LSR I-D is now in AD review on the LSR list and so may get more=
<br>&gt; attention.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Tom Petch<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ----- Origina=
l Message -----<br>&gt; From: &quot;Tarek Saad&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
tsaad.net@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tsaad.net@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; =
To: &quot;tom petch&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daedulus@btconnect.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">daedulus@btconnect.com</a>&gt;; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ietf@i=
etf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf@ietf.org</a>&gt;; &quot;Igor<br>&gt; Bryski=
n&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Igor.Bryskin@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">Ig=
or.Bryskin@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Cc: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-=
teas-yang-te-types@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-type=
s@ietf.org</a>&gt;; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">teas-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;;<br>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:db354=
6@att.com" target=3D"_blank">db3546@att.com</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: Wednesday=
, May 15, 2019 10:13 PM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Teas] Last Call: &lt;draft-ie=
tf-teas-yang-te-types-09.txt&gt;<br>&gt; (Traffic Engineering Common YANG T=
ypes) to Proposed Standard<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hi Tom,<br>&gt; &gt=
;<br>&gt; &gt; Thanks for sharing your feedback.<br>&gt; &gt; I&#39;m attac=
hing Igor&#39;s response on this topic -- which I share his<br>same<br>&gt;=
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t; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; =EF=BB=BFOn 5/15/19, 7:16 AM, &quot;Teas on behalf of =
tom petch&quot;<br>&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">teas-bounces@ietf.org</a> on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto:daedul=
us@btconnect.com" target=3D"_blank">daedulus@btconnect.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The approach taken by this I-D =
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t;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as encoding types and switching capabilities; so far,=
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plication of any TE<br>&gt; data (if any).. LSR module can always import TE=
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=C2=A0In passing, IANA has separate SMI registries for e.g.LSP<br>encoding,=
<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Switching Types and so on, which seems a s=
ound engineering<br>&gt; approach,<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0allowing=
 more flexible evolution compared to the 60-page<br>monolith<br>&gt; of<br>=
&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0this single YANG module.<br>&gt; &gt; [TS]: In=
 this effort, we&#39;ve followed similar approach to RFC8294,<br>&gt; RFC60=
21. Etc.. Do you see the same concerns there too?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=
 Regards,<br>&gt; &gt; Tarek<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.=
.Tom Petch<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0----- Original Mess=
age -----<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0From: &quot;The IESG&quot; &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:iesg-secretary@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iesg-secretary@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent: Thursday, May 02, 201=
9 9:47 PM<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; The IESG has re=
ceived a request from the Traffic Engineering<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Architecture and<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; Signaling WG (teas=
) to consider the following document: -<br>&gt; &#39;Traffic<br>&gt; &gt;=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; Engineering Common YANG Types&#39;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0&lt;draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types-09.txt&=
gt; as Proposed Standard<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few =
weeks, and<br>&gt; solicits<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0final<br>&gt; &=
gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; comments on this action. Please send substantiv=
e comments to<br>the<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; <a href=3D"mailto=
:ietf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf@ietf.org</a> mailing lists by 2019-0=
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e<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; sent to <a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.=
org" target=3D"_blank">iesg@ietf.org</a> instead. In either case, please re=
tain<br>the<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0beginning of<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0=
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;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; Abstract<br>=
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gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document defines a colle=
ction of common data types and<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0groupings<br=
>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in YANG data modeling langu=
age.=C2=A0 These derived common types<br>&gt; and<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 groupings are intended to be imported by modules t=
hat model<br>&gt; Traffic<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities.<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt; The file can be obtained via<br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0&gt;<br>
<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/"=
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t-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/</a><br>&gt; &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt;=
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t;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/=
doc/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-types/ballot/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bl=
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Hi!

We have weekly calls (details below) to discuss and progress the TE
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Hi, Lou:

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Support as Co-author.

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It is the base of the other two associated drafts:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/ =
(Solution
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-native-ip/=

(Protocol extension draft)

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Based on these drafts, the operators are easy to implement the TE in =
Native
IP(IPv4/IPv6) environment, which can exploit the power of central =
control
and the robustness of the distributed protocol.=20

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Best Regards.

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Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, =
China.

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All,

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This starts a two-week working group last call for

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Lou:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
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lang=3DEN-US>Support as Co-author.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>It is the base of the other two =
associated drafts:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/">=
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/</a> =
(Solution Draft) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
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operators are easy to implement the TE in Native IP(IPv4/IPv6) =
environment, which can exploit the power of central control and the =
robustness of the distributed protocol. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Best =
Regards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Aijun Wang<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Network R&amp;D and Operation Support =
Department<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research =
Institute,Beijing, China.</span><span =
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 All,

The preliminary agenda for Montreal is available at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.html. We're currently
scheduled for two 90-minute sessions in the afternoon on Tuesday July 23rd.

If you'd like to present a draft, please send a request to me and the
Chairs by the end of the day on Monday, July 8th with the draft name,
speaker, and how long you need. Please note that this is also the cut-off
for draft submissions. If you have a WG draft that you aren't presenting,
please be prepared to provide a status update.

Thanks

Matt/Lou/Pavan

Important dates:
- *2019-06-21 (Friday):* Preliminary Agenda published for comment.
- *2019-06-26 (Wednesday):* Cut-off date for requests to reschedule Working
Group or BOF meetings UTC 23:59.
- *2019-06-28 (Friday):* Final agenda to be published.
- *2019-07-08 (Monday):* Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts,
including -00) by UTC 23:59. Upload using the ID Submission Tool
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/>.
- *2019-07-08 (Monday):* Standard rate registration and payment cut-off at
UTC 23:59..
- *2019-07-10 (Wednesday):* Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59.
Upload using the Meeting Materials Management Tool
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials>.
- *2019-07-15 (Monday):* Registration cancellation cut-off at UTC 23:59.
- *2019-07-15 (Monday):* Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59.
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">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/agenda.html</a>. We&#39;re curre=
ntly scheduled for two 90-minute sessions in the afternoon on Tuesday July =
23rd.</div><div><br></div><div>If
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name, speaker, and how long you need. Please note that this is also the=20
cut-off for draft submissions. If you have a WG draft that you aren&#39;t=
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presenting, please be prepared to provide a status update.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Matt/Lou/Pavan<br></div><div><br><=
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Thanks,
Quintin



*From:* Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
> *Date:* June 14, 2019 at 00:51:17 GMT+8
> *To:* TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* *[Teas] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05*
>
> All,
>
> This starts a two-week working group last call for
> draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05
>
> The working group last call ends on June 27.
> Please send your comments to the working group mailing list.
>
> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document
> and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
> This is useful and important, even from authors.
>
> Thank you,
> Lou (TEAS Co-Chair & doc Shepherd)
>
> _______________________________________________
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<div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">Yes/Support!<br><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"auto">Quintin</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto=
"><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><b>F=
rom:</b> Lou Berger &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lberger@labn.net" target=3D"_blan=
k">lberger@labn.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Date:</b> June 14, 2019 at 00:51:17 GMT+8=
<br><b>To:</b> TEAS WG &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> <b>[Teas] WG Last Call: draft-i=
etf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05</b><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>All,</span><br><span></span><br><span>T=
his starts a two-week working group last call for</span><br><span>draft-iet=
f-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05</span><br><span></span><br><span>The working =
group last call ends on June 27.</span><br><span>Please send your comments =
to the working group mailing list.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Positiv=
e comments, e.g., &quot;I&#39;ve reviewed this document</span><br><span>and=
 believe it is ready for publication&quot;, are welcome!</span><br><span>Th=
is is useful and important, even from authors.</span><br><span></span><br><=
span>Thank you,</span><br><span>Lou (TEAS Co-Chair &amp; doc Shepherd)</spa=
n><br><span></span><br><span>______________________________________________=
_</span><br><span>Teas mailing list</span><br><span><a href=3D"mailto:Teas@=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">Teas@ietf.org</a></span><br><span><a href=3D"ht=
tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas" target=3D"_blank">https://www.iet=
f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas</a></span><br></div></blockquote></div></div></=
div></blockquote></div></div>
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Hi, Qin:

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Thanks for your review.

Please see the responses below inline for your comments.

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Best Regards.

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Aijun Wang

Network R&D and Operation Support Department

China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, =
China.

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Qin Wu [mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com]=20
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2019=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=8825=E6=97=A5 =
14:40
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: lberger@labn.bet
=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: teas@ietf.org
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Teas] Fwd: WG Last Call: =
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05

=20

I have read this draft and have a few comments:

1.       Section 1 paragraph2=20

=E2=80=9C   MPLS-TE technology is one solution for finely planned =
network but it

   will put heavy burden on the routers when we use it to meet the

   dynamic QoS assurance requirements within real time traffic =
network.=E2=80=9D

Do we have real time traffic network, how about s/ QoS assurance =
requirements within real time traffic network/ QoS assurance =
requirements for real time traffic

=E3=80=90Aijun Wang=E3=80=91: Yes, we have.  The scenarios described in =
this document are all raised on our Native IP network. Customer wants =
the operator to provide some solutions to these requirements. The =
traffic is changing dynamically in real time, but it has some regular =
pattern within a day, a week or a month.  The solution to these =
requirements is described in  =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/ =
(Solution Draft), which depends mainly on the global view and optimal =
path calculation capabilities of SDN/PCE components.

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2.       Section 1, paragraph 4

=E2=80=9CDetNet[RFC8578] describes use cases for diverse industries that =
have

   in common a need for "deterministic flows",=E2=80=9D

s/ that have in common a need/that have a common need

=E3=80=90Aijun Wang=E3=80=91: OK, will update in next version.

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3.       Section 2.1

=E2=80=9C

The communication between the private and public cloud will span the WAN

network.  The bandwidth requirements between them are variable and

the background traffic between these two sites changes from time to

time. =E2=80=9C

To make these two sentence coherent and consist with the figure in this =
section, suggested change
The communication between the private and public cloud sites will span =
the WAN

network.  The bandwidth requirements between them are variable and

the background traffic between these two sites changes from time to

time.

=E3=80=90Aijun Wang=E3=80=91=EF=BC=9A OK, will update in next version.

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4.  Section 2.3

Can you clarify what traffic engineering technology is used in this =
case? If there is no traffic engineering technology used,

Suggest to change the title into traffic load balance support

=E3=80=90Aijun Wang=E3=80=91: It is one special situation within TE =
domain and is different from the traditional load balance scenario. As =
described in the text, the main challenge here is that the asymmetric =
flow characteristic of the links. One can only eliminate such phenomena =
via the movement of some traffic from the default path to the calculated =
optimal path.

=20

-Qin

From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Date: June 14, 2019 at 00:51:17 GMT+8
To: TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05

All,

This starts a two-week working group last call for
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05

The working group last call ends on June 27.
Please send your comments to the working group mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document
and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
This is useful and important, even from authors.

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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks for your review.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Please see the responses below inline for your =
comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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lang=3DEN-US =
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D'>Best Regards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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lang=3DEN-US =
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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Aijun Wang<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Network R&amp;D and Operation Support =
Department<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'text-align:justify;text-justify:inter-ideograph'><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, =
China.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
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D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA<span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> Qin Wu [mailto:bill.wu@huawei.com] =
<br></span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> 2019</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=E5=B9=B4<span =
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lang=3DEN-US> 14:40<br></span><b>=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> =
lberger@labn.bet<br></span><b>=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> =
teas@ietf.org<br></span><b>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Re: [Teas] Fwd: WG Last =
Call: =
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div>=
</div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I have read this draft and have a few =
comments:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>1.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Section 1 paragraph2 <o:p></o:p></span></p><pre =
style=3D'page-break-before:always'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=E2=80=9C</span><span lang=3DEN>&nbsp;&nbsp; MPLS-TE technology is =
one solution for finely planned network but it<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'page-break-before:always'><span =
lang=3DEN>&nbsp;&nbsp; will put heavy burden on the routers when we use =
it to meet the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN>&nbsp;&nbsp; dynamic QoS assurance requirements within real =
time traffic network.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Do we have real time traffic network, how about s/</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US> </span><span lang=3DEN>QoS assurance requirements within =
real time traffic network/ QoS assurance requirements for real time =
traffic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
style=3D'font-family:=E5=AE=8B=E4=BD=93;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=90</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Aijun Wang</span><span =
style=3D'font-family:=E5=AE=8B=E4=BD=93;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=91</span><s=
pan lang=3DEN style=3D'color:#1F497D'>: Yes, we have.=C2=A0 The =
scenarios described in this document are all raised on our Native IP =
network. Customer wants the operator to provide some solutions to these =
requirements. The traffic is changing dynamically in real time, but it =
has some regular pattern within a day, a week or a month.=C2=A0 The =
solution to these requirements is described in =C2=A0</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/">=
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip/</a> =
(Solution Draft),</span><span lang=3DEN style=3D'color:#1F497D'> which =
depends mainly on the global view and optimal path calculation =
capabilities of SDN/PCE components.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>2.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Section 1, paragraph 4<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre =
style=3D'page-break-before:always'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=E2=80=9C</span><span lang=3DEN>DetNet[RFC8578] describes use cases =
for diverse industries that have<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN>&nbsp;&nbsp; in common a need for =
&quot;deterministic flows&quot;,</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>s/ that have in common a need/that have a common =
need<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=90</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Aijun Wang</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=91</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>: OK, will update in next version.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>3.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Section 2.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>=E2=80=9C<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>The =
communication between the private and public cloud will span the =
WAN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>network.&nbsp; The bandwidth requirements =
between them are variable and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>the =
background traffic between these two sites changes from time =
to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>time.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> =E2=80=9C<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>To make these two sentence coherent =
and consist with the figure in this section, suggested change<br>The =
communication between the private and public cloud sites will span the =
WAN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>network.&nbsp; The bandwidth requirements =
between them are variable and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>the =
background traffic between these two sites changes from time =
to<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=90</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Aijun Wang</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=91=EF=BC=9A</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> OK, will update in next version.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>4.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp; </span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Section 2.3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Can you =
clarify what traffic engineering technology is used in this case? If =
there is no traffic engineering technology used,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Suggest to =
change the title into traffic load balance =
support<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=90</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Aijun Wang</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;color:#1F497D'>=E3=80=91</span><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>: It is one special situation within TE domain and is different from =
the traditional load balance scenario. As described in the text, the =
main challenge here is that the asymmetric flow characteristic of the =
links. One can only eliminate such phenomena via the movement of some =
traffic from the default path to the calculated optimal =
path.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>-Qin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><blockq=
uote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Lou Berger &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:lberger@labn.net" =
target=3D"_blank">lberger@labn.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Date:</b> June 14, 2019 =
at 00:51:17 GMT+8<br><b>To:</b> TEAS WG &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> <b>[Teas] WG =
Last Call: =
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05</b><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></b=
lockquote><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>All,<br><br>This starts a two-week =
working group last call =
for<br>draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05<br><br>The working group =
last call ends on June 27.<br>Please send your comments to the working =
group mailing list.<br><br>Positive comments, e.g., &quot;I've reviewed =
this document<br>and believe it is ready for publication&quot;, are =
welcome!<br>This is useful and important, even from =
authors.<br><br>Thank you,<br>Lou (TEAS Co-Chair &amp; doc =
Shepherd)<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Teas =
mailing list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Teas@ietf.org" =
target=3D"_blank">Teas@ietf.org</a><br><a =
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target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas</a><o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></di=
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Hi Lou and all,
Yes, support.

I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication.
I think that this is just 1st step and there could be even more cases/scena=
rios later as well as more details could be added to the existing ones.

Thx.

SY,
Boris

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From: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
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Subject: [Teas] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05

All,

This starts a two-week working group last call for
draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05

The working group last call ends on June 27.
Please send your comments to the working group mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is rea=
dy for publication", are welcome!
This is useful and important, even from authors.

Thank you,
Lou (TEAS Co-Chair & doc Shepherd)

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     The WG LC is closed.

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On 6/13/2019 12:51 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
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Dear Lou Berger,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 


    teas Session 1 (1:00 requested)
    Tuesday, 23 July 2019, Afternoon Session I 1330-1500
    Room Name: Laurier size: 250
    ---------------------------------------------
    teas Session 2 (1:30 requested)
    Tuesday, 23 July 2019, Afternoon Session II 1520-1650
    Room Name: Laurier size: 250
    ---------------------------------------------


iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/sessions/teas.ics

Request Information:


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Working Group Name: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: Lou Berger

Number of Sessions: 2
Length of Session(s):  1.5 Hours, 1 Hour
Number of Attendees: 100
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: ccamp mpls pce netmod detnet
 Second Priority: idr i2rs spring lsr
 Third Priority: pals bess nvo3


People who must be present:
  Lou Berger
  Deborah Brungard
  Vishnu Pavan Beeram

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
  One 2.5 hour session please...
Other Conflicts: IRTF RRG, RTG BOFs
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Scenarios and Simulation Results of PCE in Native IP Network
        Authors         : Aijun Wang
                          Xiaohong Huang
                          Caixia Kou
                          Zhenqiang Li
                          Penghui Mi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-06.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2019-06-30

Abstract:
   This document describes the scenarios and simulation results for PCE
   in native IP network, which integrates the merit of distributed
   protocols (IGP/BGP), and the power of centrally control technologies
   (PCE/SDN) to provide one feasible traffic engineering solution in
   various complex scenarios for the service provider.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-06

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-06


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Hi, Lou:

We have upload the updated version of the draft, which resolves the =
related comments/suggestions during the WG last call process.
The document is ready for submission for publication now.

Thanks in advance for your efforts.


Best Regards.

Aijun Wang
Network R&D and Operation Support Department
China Telecom Corporation Limited Beijing Research Institute,Beijing, =
China.

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     Please work to resolve any comments that have been received on or =
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document is ready for submission for publication.

Thank you!

Lou

On 6/13/2019 12:51 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
> All,
>
> This starts a two-week working group last call for
> draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-05
>
> The working group last call ends on June 27.
> Please send your comments to the working group mailing list.
>
> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it=20
> is ready for publication", are welcome!
> This is useful and important, even from authors.
>
> Thank you,
> Lou (TEAS Co-Chair & doc Shepherd)
>
> _______________________________________________
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