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Thread-Topic: Various terms for transport portion of a network slicing
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Med makes a really valuable point, but I think I disagree about where it =
should take us.

=20

If the current draft is focussed on =E2=80=9Cconnectivity =
slices=E2=80=9D (whatever they may be :-) then one of two things should =
happen:

1.	It should broaden its focus to =E2=80=9CIETF network slices=E2=80=9D
2.	It should be clear about its focus and use the right naming =
accordingly. AND a separate document may be needed to handle the broader =
scope of =E2=80=9CIETF network slicing=E2=80=9D

=20

And Med=E2=80=99s question:

> are there any attributes that will be captured in the

> =E2=80=9Cfavorite-ietf-slice-name=E2=80=9D and which do not belong to =
connectivity?

=20

I think slicing applies to all of the resources in a network. Those =
certainly include bandwidth and forwarding resources (buffers, =
cross-connections, etc.), but they also include storage, processing, =
virtual functions, and anything else that the sliced network may have =
available to provide services to the consumer.

=20

Best,

Adrian

=20

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To: Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <reza.rokui@nokia.com>; Lou Berger =
<lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; Vishnu Pavan Beeram =
<vishnupavan@gmail.com>; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com>; =
teas-ns-dt@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] Various terms for transport portion of a =
network slicing

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Hi Reza, all,=20

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Thank you.

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I do personally prefer =C2=AB connectivity slice =C2=BB.

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Unless I=E2=80=99m mistaken, the current draft=E2=80=99s focus is the =
connectivity component of a slice (whatsoever a slice means). So, =
**renaming** the abstract notion while **maintaining the same scope and =
attributes definitions ** do not help clarity.

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So, are there any attributes that will be captured in the =
=E2=80=9Cfavorite-ietf-slice-name=E2=80=9D and which do not belong to =
connectivity?

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Cheers,

Med

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De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Rokui, Reza =
(Nokia - CA/Ottawa)
Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 29 septembre 2020 20:42
=C3=80 : Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net <mailto:lberger@labn.net> >; TEAS =
WG <teas@ietf.org <mailto:teas@ietf.org> >; Vishnu Pavan Beeram =
<vishnupavan@gmail.com <mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com> >; BRUNGARD, =
DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com <mailto:db3546@att.com> >; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org =
<mailto:teas-ns-dt@ietf.org>=20
Cc : Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) <reza.rokui@nokia.com =
<mailto:reza.rokui@nokia.com> >
Objet : [Teas] Various terms for transport portion of a network slicing

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Hi Lou, Pavan, Deborah and all,

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As per TEAS WG chairs request during the last week=E2=80=99s meeting on =
network slicing, the co-authors of the definition draft had a few =
meeting and compiled all the potential terms with their pros and cons in =
the following table.

We feel that we captured all the terms suggested by TEAS and NSDT =
members in mailing lists and during the various meetings. Please let us =
know if any terms is missing.

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In summary, the co-authors of the draft believe the term =E2=80=9CIETF =
Network Slice=E2=80=9D is a golden middle where IETF provides the exact =
context of any Network slice.

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Cheers,

Reza (on behalf of all co-authors)

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Various options for transport connectivity term from IETF point of view =
(without any specific order)


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Term

Suggested by=20

Pros

Cons


1

IETF Network Slice

TEAS chairs

o It clearly elaborates the scope of technologies addressed with in the =
IETF leveraging the industry-wide term 'network slice.
o It is golden middle, where =E2=80=9CIETF=E2=80=9D provides the exact =
context to =E2=80=9CNetwork Slice=E2=80=9D
o Acceptable to TEAS WG chairs
o Acceptable to draft co-authors

labeling a piece of work with SDO name is not a good idea and IETF has =
always worked towards wider use, generic solutions, so the name may be =
restrictive.


2

Transport Slice

Draft Authors and NSDT

o =E2=80=98Transport network=E2=80=99 is an abstraction of connectivity =
between the (network) end-points which is technology agnostic.  Well =
covered by RFC5921.

o Aligned with other SDO (i.e. MEF)
See Figure 17 of following white paper
https://wiki.mef.net/display/CESG/Slicing+for+Shared+5G+Fronthaul+and+Bac=
khaul+-+White+Paper

As per recent WG adoption poll, it is not accepted


3

Transport network slice

Draft Authors and some IETF members

=E2=80=98Transport network=E2=80=99 is an abstraction of connectivity =
between the (network)end-points which is technology agnostic.  Well =
covered by RFC5921.

As per recent WG adoption poll, it is not accepted


4

Connectivity Slice

Draft Authors

o Since the transport slice is a set of distinct connections, term =
"Connectivity Slice" is selected

o Aligned with other SDO (i.e. 3GPP)=20
See Figure 4.9.3.1 of TR 28.801 and  =
http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G

As per TEAS WG chair, connectivity has different meaning at IETF


5

Connectivity Network Slice

Luis

The term Network becomes now narrow downed to the reference to =
connectivity, which is subject of IETF

As per TEAS WG chair, connectivity has different meaning at IETF


6

Connection Slice

Luis

o The term associates the concept of slice to the connection enabling =
the data transmission among end-points participating of a communication
o Note =E2=80=93 here we could then follow a similar approach to how the =
VPNs are classified as L2 or L3; I mean L3/L2/(L1?) Connection Slice; if =
we classify the Connection Slices in that manner, such classification of =
the Connection Slice types will also help to describe recursiveness or =
hierarchical (multi-layer) slicing

o A connection can be established at different levels, including =
protocols above Layer 3
o Connection slice can make the people understand that there is a single =
connection represent a slice (i.e., 1:1) while actually could not be the =
case (i.e., 1 slice being formed by N connections)


7

Slice Network

Stewart=20

Stewart is coming with some background that a slice is combination of =
storage, compute and communications (or network). Slice network means an =
existing network is sliced to serve a particular user-case.

According to Lou, it has entirely different meaning.


8

Virtual Slice Network (VSN)

Luis

o Variant on top of Stewart=E2=80=99s suggestion to link with the =
evolution of the concept of legacy VPNs
o The term reminds the idea of logical network per customer focusing on =
connectivity
o As before, it could be possible to follow a similar approach to how =
the VPNs are classified as L2 or L3; I mean L3/L2/(L1?) VSN; also here, =
such classification of the VSNs can also help to describe recursiveness =
or hierarchical (multi-layer) slicing in transport

o There is no specific reference to transport or connectivity, apart of =
the generic idea of network (which we now is also an overloaded term)
o Differently from a VPN, which basically is a single instance including =
a number of locations, a VSN could refer to a set of individual VSNs =
(e.g., one per network segment). So can be probably confusing. Thus =
probably it would be needed to add additional terms such as sub-VSN, or =
VSN-segment, VSN-part, VSN-sub-slice, or alike


9

TE Network slice=20

Some TEAS members

Aligns with same  rationale used for naming ACTN.

Since not all transport networks are TE enabled, the realization of =
connectivity might be in a non-TE network. So, this term seems not =
appropriate


10

Carrier network slice

Webex/Stewart

In a generic use of term 'carrier' a carrier slice network carries =
use-case specific network traffic.

it may be confusing because it is associated with the infrastructure of =
telecommunication service providers, i.e., FNO/MNO. Recently, some =
network operators  deploy COTS servers in their infrastructure for MEC =
usages, and some readers may expect control of compute and storage  =
resources is in scope


11

Network slice

Some IETF members

An adoption of industry-wide term. While each SDO may look at it =
differently based on its own set of capabilities, for an end user it is =
a network slice in a specific technology domain.

o Since multiple connections are part of a single "Network Slice", it is =
not a good idea to call each of these connections "Network slice".
o There is a lack of 'harmonized' definition of network slice. For end =
customers, message may be confusing on which SDO they should ask for =
what part. It may lead to duplication of orchestration or APIs, =
depending upon who is controlling end to end network slice  - is it 3GPP =
operator, MVNO, ISP, service-integrator, OTT etc...=20


12

Data transmission network slice (DTNS)

Shunsuke=20

Since the transport slice is a set of distinct connections, providing =
the data transmission, this term might be suitable. =20

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13

Transmission Network  Slice

Reza

Since the transport slice provides the data transmission across =
transport network, this term might be suitable. =20

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14

Transmission Slice

Reza

Same as "Transmission Network Slice"

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link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Med makes a really =
valuable point, but I think I disagree about where it should take =
us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>If the current =
draft is focussed on =E2=80=9Cconnectivity slices=E2=80=9D (whatever =
they may be :-) then one of two things should =
happen:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style=3D'margin-top:0cm' start=3D1 =
type=3D1><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It should broaden =
its focus to =E2=80=9CIETF network =
slices=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It should be clear =
about its focus and use the right naming accordingly. AND a separate =
document may be needed to handle the broader scope of =E2=80=9CIETF =
network slicing=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And Med=E2=80=99s =
question:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&gt; are there any =
attributes that will be captured in the<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&gt; =
=E2=80=9Cfavorite-ietf-slice-name=E2=80=9D and which do not belong to =
connectivity?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think slicing =
applies to all of the resources in a network. Those certainly include =
bandwidth and forwarding resources (buffers, cross-connections, etc.), =
but they also include storage, processing, virtual functions, and =
anything else that the sliced network may have available to provide =
services to the consumer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> Teas-ns-dt =
&lt;teas-ns-dt-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<br><b>Sent:</b> 02 October 2020 =
08:43<br><b>To:</b> Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) =
&lt;reza.rokui@nokia.com&gt;; Lou Berger &lt;lberger@labn.net&gt;; TEAS =
WG &lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;; Vishnu Pavan Beeram =
&lt;vishnupavan@gmail.com&gt;; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A =
&lt;db3546@att.com&gt;; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Teas-ns-dt] Various terms for transport portion of a network =
slicing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DFR style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Reza, all, =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thank =
you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I do personally prefer =
=C2=AB&nbsp;connectivity slice&nbsp;=C2=BB.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Unless I=E2=80=99m =
mistaken, the current draft=E2=80=99s focus is the connectivity =
component of a slice (whatsoever a slice means). So, **renaming** the =
abstract notion while **maintaining the same scope and attributes =
definitions ** do not help clarity.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, are there any =
attributes that will be captured in the =
=E2=80=9Cfavorite-ietf-slice-name=E2=80=9D and which do not belong to =
connectivity?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Med<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New";color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>=
<div style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm =
0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>De&nbsp;:</span></b><span lang=3DFR =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'> Teas [<a =
href=3D"mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
<b>De la part de</b> Rokui, Reza (Nokia - =
CA/Ottawa)<br><b>Envoy=C3=A9&nbsp;:</b> mardi 29 septembre 2020 =
20:42<br><b>=C3=80&nbsp;:</b> Lou Berger &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:lberger@labn.net">lberger@labn.net</a>&gt;; TEAS WG =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org">teas@ietf.org</a>&gt;; Vishnu Pavan =
Beeram &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com">vishnupavan@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:db3546@att.com">db3546@att.com</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:teas-ns-dt@ietf.org">teas-ns-dt@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc&nbsp=
;:</b> Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:reza.rokui@nokia.com">reza.rokui@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br><b>O=
bjet&nbsp;:</b> [Teas] Various terms for transport portion of a network =
slicing<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DFR><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Lou, Pavan, Deborah and =
all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>As per =
TEAS WG chairs request during the last week=E2=80=99s meeting on network =
slicing, the co-authors of the definition draft had a few meeting and =
compiled all the potential terms with their pros and cons in the =
following table.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>We feel that we captured all the =
terms suggested by TEAS and NSDT members in mailing lists and during the =
various meetings. Please let us know if any terms is =
missing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>In =
summary, the co-authors of the draft believe the term <u>=E2=80=9CIETF =
Network Slice=E2=80=9D</u> is a golden middle where IETF provides the =
exact context of any Network slice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'>Reza (on =
behalf of all co-authors)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><table =
class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 =
width=3D1620 style=3D'width:1215.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr =
style=3D'height:93.0pt'><td width=3D1620 colspan=3D5 valign=3Dtop =
style=3D'width:1215.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-bottom:20.0pt;text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:20.0pt;color:#C00000'><br><br>Various options for =
transport connectivity term from IETF point of view (without any =
specific order)<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:16.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;background:#BFBFBF;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 =
nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;background:#BFBFBF;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Term<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D113 =
nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;background:#BFBFBF;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Suggested by <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;background:#BFBFBF;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Pros<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 =
nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;background:#BFBFBF;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Cons<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:96.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:96.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright =
style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>1<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:173.2pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:96.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia =
Pure Text Light";color:#C00000'>IETF Network =
Slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=3D113 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:84.5pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:96.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia =
Pure Text Light";color:#C00000'>TEAS =
chairs<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:96.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia =
Pure Text Light";color:#C00000'>o It clearly elaborates the scope of =
technologies addressed with in the IETF leveraging the industry-wide =
term 'network slice.<br>o It is golden middle, where =
=E2=80=9CIETF=E2=80=9D provides the exact context to =E2=80=9CNetwork =
Slice=E2=80=9D<br>o Acceptable to TEAS WG chairs<br>o Acceptable to =
draft co-authors<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 =
valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:383.95pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:96.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia =
Pure Text Light";color:#C00000'>labeling a piece of work with SDO name =
is not a good idea and IETF has always worked towards wider use, generic =
solutions, so the name may be =
restrictive.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:112.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>2<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Transport Slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td =
width=3D113 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Draft Authors and NSDT<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>o =E2=80=98Transport network=E2=80=99 is an =
abstraction of connectivity between the (network) end-points which is =
technology agnostic.&nbsp; Well covered by RFC5921.<br><br>o Aligned =
with other SDO (i.e. MEF)<br>See Figure 17 of following white =
paper<br><a =
href=3D"https://wiki.mef.net/display/CESG/Slicing+for+Shared+5G+Fronthaul=
+and+Backhaul+-+White+Paper">https://wiki.mef.net/display/CESG/Slicing+fo=
r+Shared+5G+Fronthaul+and+Backhaul+-+White+Paper</a><o:p></o:p></span></p=
></td><td width=3D512 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>As per recent WG adoption poll, it is not =
accepted<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style=3D'height:48.0pt'><td =
width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright =
style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>3<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Transport network =
slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=3D113 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Draft Authors and some IETF =
members<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>=E2=80=98Transport network=E2=80=99 is an =
abstraction of connectivity between the (network)end-points which is =
technology agnostic.&nbsp; Well covered by =
RFC5921.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>As per recent WG adoption poll, it is not =
accepted<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style=3D'height:93.0pt'><td =
width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright =
style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>4<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Connectivity Slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td =
width=3D113 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Draft Authors<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>o Since the transport slice is a set of distinct =
connections, term &quot;Connectivity Slice&quot; is selected<br><br>o =
Aligned with other SDO (i.e. 3GPP) <br>See Figure 4.9.3.1 of TR 28.801 =
and&nbsp; <a =
href=3D"http://www.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G">http://www=
.3gpp.org/NEWS-EVENTS/3GPP-NEWS/1951-SA5_5G</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></td=
><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>As per TEAS WG chair, connectivity has different =
meaning at IETF<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:93.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>5<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Connectivity Network =
Slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=3D113 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Luis<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D744 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>The term Network becomes now narrow downed to the =
reference to connectivity, which is subject of =
IETF<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:93.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>As per TEAS WG chair, connectivity has different =
meaning at IETF<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:132.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:132.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>6<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:132.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Connection Slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td =
width=3D113 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:132.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Luis<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D744 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:132.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>o The term associates the concept of slice to the =
connection enabling the data transmission among end-points participating =
of a communication<br>o Note =E2=80=93 here we could then follow a =
similar approach to how the VPNs are classified as L2 or L3; I mean =
L3/L2/(L1?) Connection Slice; if we classify the Connection Slices in =
that manner, such classification of the Connection Slice types will also =
help to describe recursiveness or hierarchical (multi-layer) =
slicing<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:132.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>o A connection can be established at different =
levels, including protocols above Layer 3<br>o Connection slice can make =
the people understand that there is a single connection represent a =
slice (i.e., 1:1) while actually could not be the case (i.e., 1 slice =
being formed by N connections)<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:48.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>7<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Slice Network<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td =
width=3D113 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Stewart <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D744 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Stewart is coming with some background that a slice =
is combination of storage, compute and communications (or network). =
Slice network means an existing network is sliced to serve a particular =
user-case.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:48.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>According to Lou, it has entirely different =
meaning.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style=3D'height:112.0pt'><td =
width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright =
style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>8<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Virtual Slice Network =
(VSN)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=3D113 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Luis<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D744 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>o Variant on top of Stewart=E2=80=99s suggestion to =
link with the evolution of the concept of legacy VPNs<br>o The term =
reminds the idea of logical network per customer focusing on =
connectivity<br>o As before, it could be possible to follow a similar =
approach to how the VPNs are classified as L2 or L3; I mean L3/L2/(L1?) =
VSN; also here, such classification of the VSNs can also help to =
describe recursiveness or hierarchical (multi-layer) slicing in =
transport<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>o There is no specific reference to transport or =
connectivity, apart of the generic idea of network (which we now is also =
an overloaded term)<br>o Differently from a VPN, which basically is a =
single instance including a number of locations, a VSN could refer to a =
set of individual VSNs (e.g., one per network segment). So can be =
probably confusing. Thus probably it would be needed to add additional =
terms such as sub-VSN, or VSN-segment, VSN-part, VSN-sub-slice, or =
alike<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style=3D'height:52.0pt'><td =
width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:52.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright =
style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>9<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:52.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>TE Network slice <o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td =
width=3D113 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:52.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Some TEAS members<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:52.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Aligns with same&nbsp; rationale used for naming =
ACTN.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:52.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Since not all transport networks are TE enabled, the =
realization of connectivity might be in a non-TE network. So, this term =
seems not appropriate<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:80.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:80.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>10<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:80.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Carrier network =
slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=3D113 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:80.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Webex/Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:80.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>In a generic use of term 'carrier' a carrier slice =
network carries use-case specific network =
traffic.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:80.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>it may be confusing because it is associated with =
the infrastructure of telecommunication service providers, i.e., =
FNO/MNO. Recently, some network operators&nbsp; deploy COTS servers in =
their infrastructure for MEC usages, and some readers may expect control =
of compute and storage&nbsp; resources is in =
scope<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style=3D'height:112.0pt'><td =
width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright =
style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>11<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Network slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td =
width=3D113 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Some IETF members<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>An adoption of industry-wide term. While each SDO =
may look at it differently based on its own set of capabilities, for an =
end user it is a network slice in a specific technology =
domain.<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:112.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>o Since multiple connections are part of a single =
&quot;Network Slice&quot;, it is not a good idea to call each of these =
connections &quot;Network slice&quot;.<br>o There is a lack of =
'harmonized' definition of network slice. For end customers, message may =
be confusing on which SDO they should ask for what part. It may lead to =
duplication of orchestration or APIs, depending upon who is controlling =
end to end network slice&nbsp; - is it 3GPP operator, MVNO, ISP, =
service-integrator, OTT etc... <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:32.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>12<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Data transmission network slice =
(DTNS)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=3D113 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:84.5pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Shunsuke <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:558.2pt;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm =
5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Since the transport slice is a set of distinct =
connections, providing the data transmission, this term might be =
suitable.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:32.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>13<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Transmission Network =
&nbsp;Slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=3D113 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom style=3D'width:84.5pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia =
Pure Text Light";color:black'>Reza<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td =
width=3D744 valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Since the transport slice provides the data =
transmission across transport network, this term might be =
suitable.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:32.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr =
style=3D'height:16.0pt'><td width=3D20 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:15.15pt;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dright style=3D'text-align:right'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>14<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D231 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:173.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Transmission Slice<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td =
width=3D113 nowrap valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:84.5pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:soli=
d windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt =
0cm 5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Reza<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D744 =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:558.2pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:sol=
id windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>Same as &quot;Transmission Network =
Slice&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=3D512 nowrap =
valign=3Dbottom =
style=3D'width:383.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:so=
lid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt;height:16.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Nokia Pure Text =
Light";color:black'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><pre><span =
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Applicability of Abstraction and Control of Traffic Engineered Networks (ACTN) to Packet Optical Integration (POI)
        Authors         : Fabio Peruzzini
                          Jean-Francois Bouquier
                          Italo Busi
                          Daniel King
                          Daniele Ceccarelli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-actn-poi-applicability-00.txt
	Pages           : 36
	Date            : 2020-09-27

Abstract:
   This document considers the applicability of the IETF Abstraction
   and Control of Traffic Engineered Networks (ACTN) to Packet Optical
   Integration (POI), and IP and Optical DWDM domain internetworking.

   In this document, we highlight the IETF protocols and YANG data
   models that may be used for the ACTN and control of POI networks,
   with particular focus on the interfaces between the MDSC (Multi-
   Domain Service Coordinator) and the underlying Packet and Optical
   Domain Controllers (P-PNC and O-PNC) to support POI use cases.


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Title: LS on OTNT Standardization Work Plan Issue 28
Submission Date: 2020-10-05
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1698/
Please reply by 2021-05-01
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Body: Attached is Issue 28 of the OTNT SWP, the latest version updated by the SG15 during a plenary meeting in September 2020.
We would appreciate updates to the material relevant to your SDO.

Attachment: Optical Transport Networks & Technologies Standardization Work Plan Issue 28, September 2020
Attachments:

    SG15-LS268-att-OTN-issue28
    https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2020-10-05-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-ccamp-pce-pals-teas-ls-on-otnt-standardization-work-plan-issue-28-attachment-1.pdf

    SG15-LS268
    https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2020-10-05-itu-t-sg-15-mpls-ccamp-pce-pals-teas-ls-on-otnt-standardization-work-plan-issue-28-attachment-2.pdf



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The Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling (teas) WG will hold
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Network Slicing Topics

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As per the authors' request, we will have bi-weekly calls to progress the
"ACTN POI Applicability <draft-ietf-teas-act-poi-applicabiity>" draft
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Dear TEAS, PCE, IDR, LSR, BESS, BIER  Spring Working Groups,

I have noticed that after reviewing many drafts across many WGs it seems in
the industry that the lines seem to be blurred between a PCE controller,
ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and a Netconf/Yang NMS Controller ZTP & Day
X provisioning.

As this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss army knife
server that does everything from PCE path computation to  Netconf/Yang ZTP
& Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL or Openflow
controller type functions as well.

How this comes into play and realization of the lines being blurred is the
use of BGP-LS in building the IGP topological graph of the network which
was designed for PCEP and PCE & PCC active & passive off line path
computation for both RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation.

However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now such as usage
as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER to use
BGP-LS to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same BGP-LS
data structures to populate with BIER specific information to graph the
BIER topology.  So here we are not doing any path computations as we are
using in this use case  for NMS type function to gather data for ZTP & Day
N provisioning.

Similarly other use cases such as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being
able to provision TS and capturing the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource
information and leveraging BGP-LS to do the same data gathering & ZTP like
controller style provisioning.

It does seem as though BGP-LS as its a means of "data gathering" "dump
truck" of anything with the kitchen sink included to build any type of
topological graph of literally anything under the sun.  I see that is a
nice to leverage but it does in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang
Controller based functionality and  PCE path computation functionality and
SDN controller based ZTP functionality into a single ubiquitous server that
can do all of the above and use BGP-LS to accomplish the "kitchen sink"
tasks.  It does however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a "tool" and
not just the original function which it was intended NLRI network
reachability.

Am I off base and please let me know as its BGP-LS is being way over
leveraged.  There are pros & cons to everything but I thought I would bring
up to the WG as an important discussion point.

Lots of food for thought.  Welcome all comments as well as concerns related
to this topic.

Kind Regards,

<http://www.verizon.com/>

*Gyan Mishra*

*Network Solutions A**rchitect *



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Spring Working Groups,<div><br></div><div>I have noticed that after reviewi=
ng many drafts across many WGs it seems in the industry that the lines seem=
 to be blurred between a PCE controller, ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and=
 a Netconf/Yang NMS Controller ZTP &amp; Day X provisioning.</div><div><br>=
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tconf/Yang ZTP &amp; Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL o=
r Openflow controller type functions as well.</div><div><br></div><div>How =
this comes into play and realization of the lines being blurred is the use =
of BGP-LS in building the IGP topological graph of the network which was de=
signed for PCEP and PCE &amp; PCC active &amp; passive off line path comput=
ation for both RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><=
br></div><div>However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now s=
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BGP-LS data structures to populate with BIER specific information to graph =
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=C2=A0 It does however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a &quot;tool&quo=
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now as its BGP-LS is being way over leveraged.=C2=A0 There are pros &amp; c=
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discussion point.</div><div><br></div><div>Lots of food for thought.=C2=A0 =
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All

Another way of looking at BGP-LS is that it is an extremely powerful tool
for centralized controller based architectures or hybrid architectures, and
it does not bog down or impact the agility and lightweight aspects of BGP,
as BGP has its overall ability to stack & pile on SAFI's and codepoint's as
necessary to meet the desired design objectives.  So BGP can still remain
as light weight or as heavy weight as desired based on the design objective.

! BGP LS IAIA codepoints
https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xhtml

So its safe to say that the use cases are pretty limitless for BGP-LS from
PCE path instantiation to ZTP & Day X provisioning & configuration.  I
think "dump drunk" depiction of BGP-LS is really a negative perception, as
BGP-LS has the native data structures primitives to build customizable
TLV's to meet almost any design objective.

Comments welcome.

Kind Regards

Gyan



On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Dear TEAS, PCE, IDR, LSR, BESS, BIER  Spring Working Groups,
>
> I have noticed that after reviewing many drafts across many WGs it seems
> in the industry that the lines seem to be blurred between a PCE controller,
> ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and a Netconf/Yang NMS Controller ZTP & Day
> X provisioning.
>
> As this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss army knife
> server that does everything from PCE path computation to  Netconf/Yang ZTP
> & Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL or Openflow
> controller type functions as well.
>
> How this comes into play and realization of the lines being blurred is the
> use of BGP-LS in building the IGP topological graph of the network which
> was designed for PCEP and PCE & PCC active & passive off line path
> computation for both RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation.
>
> However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now such as usage
> as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER to use
> BGP-LS to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same BGP-LS
> data structures to populate with BIER specific information to graph the
> BIER topology.  So here we are not doing any path computations as we are
> using in this use case  for NMS type function to gather data for ZTP & Day
> N provisioning.
>
> Similarly other use cases such as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being
> able to provision TS and capturing the TS Enhanced VPN RT & resource
> information and leveraging BGP-LS to do the same data gathering & ZTP like
> controller style provisioning.
>
> It does seem as though BGP-LS as its a means of "data gathering" "dump
> truck" of anything with the kitchen sink included to build any type of
> topological graph of literally anything under the sun.  I see that is a
> nice to leverage but it does in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang
> Controller based functionality and  PCE path computation functionality and
> SDN controller based ZTP functionality into a single ubiquitous server that
> can do all of the above and use BGP-LS to accomplish the "kitchen sink"
> tasks.  It does however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a "tool" and
> not just the original function which it was intended NLRI network
> reachability.
>
> Am I off base and please let me know as its BGP-LS is being way over
> leveraged.  There are pros & cons to everything but I thought I would bring
> up to the WG as an important discussion point.
>
> Lots of food for thought.  Welcome all comments as well as concerns
> related to this topic.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> <http://www.verizon.com/>
>
> *Gyan Mishra*
>
> *Network Solutions A**rchitect *
>
>
>
> *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">All<div><br></div><div>Another way of loo=
king at BGP-LS is that it is an extremely powerful tool for centralized con=
troller based architectures or hybrid architectures, and it does not bog do=
wn or impact the agility and lightweight aspects of BGP, as BGP has its ove=
rall ability to stack &amp; pile on SAFI&#39;s and codepoint&#39;s as neces=
sary to meet the desired design objectives.=C2=A0 So BGP can still remain a=
s light weight or as heavy=C2=A0weight as desired based on the design objec=
tive.</div><div><br></div><div>! BGP LS IAIA codepoints</div><div><a href=
=3D"https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xh=
tml">https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.x=
html</a><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>So its safe to say that the use=
 cases are pretty limitless for BGP-LS from PCE path instantiation to ZTP &=
amp; Day X provisioning &amp; configuration.=C2=A0 I think &quot;dump drunk=
&quot; depiction of BGP-LS is really a negative perception, as BGP-LS has t=
he native data structures primitives to build customizable TLV&#39;s to mee=
t almost any design objective.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Comments welc=
ome.</div><div><br></div><div>Kind Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Gyan</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 3:26 PM Gyan Mishra &lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail.com">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div><br></div>Dear TEAS, PCE, IDR, LSR, BESS, BIER=C2=A0 Spring Workin=
g Groups,<div><br></div><div>I have noticed that after reviewing many draft=
s across many WGs it seems in the industry that the lines seem to be blurre=
d between a PCE controller, ODL or Openflow SDN Controller and a Netconf/Ya=
ng NMS Controller ZTP &amp; Day X provisioning.</div><div><br></div><div>As=
 this is a software sitting on a server you can have a swiss army knife ser=
ver that does everything from PCE path computation to=C2=A0 Netconf/Yang ZT=
P &amp; Day N provisioning as well as any SDN Controller ODL or Openflow co=
ntroller type functions as well.</div><div><br></div><div>How this comes in=
to play and realization of the lines being blurred is the use of BGP-LS in =
building the IGP topological graph of the network which was designed for PC=
EP and PCE &amp; PCC active &amp; passive off line path computation for bot=
h RSVP-TE or SR-TE path instantiation.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div=
>However now BGP-LS can also be used for other functions now such as usage =
as I am a Shepherd reviewing a draft for BGP-LS usage for BIER to use BGP-L=
S to gather the elements internals within BIER using the same BGP-LS data s=
tructures to populate with BIER specific information to graph the BIER topo=
logy.=C2=A0 So here we are not doing any path computations as we are using =
in this use case=C2=A0 for NMS type function to gather data for ZTP &amp; D=
ay N provisioning.</div><div><br></div><div>Similarly other use cases such =
as with TEAS TS-Transport slice and being able to provision TS and capturin=
g the TS Enhanced VPN RT &amp; resource information and leveraging BGP-LS t=
o do the same data gathering &amp; ZTP like controller style provisioning.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>It does seem as though BGP-LS as its a mean=
s of &quot;data gathering&quot; &quot;dump truck&quot; of anything with the=
 kitchen sink included to build any type of topological graph of literally =
anything under the sun.=C2=A0 I see that is a nice to leverage but it does =
in fact blur the lines of NMS Netconf/Yang Controller based functionality a=
nd=C2=A0 PCE path computation functionality and SDN controller based ZTP fu=
nctionality into a single ubiquitous server that can do all of the above an=
d use BGP-LS to accomplish the &quot;kitchen sink&quot; tasks.=C2=A0 It doe=
s however transform BGP to be an NMS tool but a &quot;tool&quot; and not ju=
st the original function which it was intended NLRI network reachability.</=
div><div><div><br></div><div>Am I off base and please let me know as its BG=
P-LS is being way over leveraged.=C2=A0 There are pros &amp; cons to everyt=
hing but I thought I would bring up to the WG as an important discussion po=
int.</div><div><br></div><div>Lots of food for thought.=C2=A0 Welcome all c=
omments as well as concerns related to this topic.</div><div><br></div>Kind=
 Regards,<br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D=
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WG,

We are canceling the TEAS interim meeting that was slated for Oct 19th.
This meeting was meant for discussing the two NSDT documents. We were
hoping to review an updated version of the documents addressing the
comments received on the list during the adoption poll, but the revised
documents are not yet ready.

We note that one of the major discussion topics, i.e., the =E2=80=9Cnaming=
=E2=80=9D issue,
has been resolved on the list (Thanks to everyone who helped in running
this down!). We request the DT/authors to send an update to the list
regarding their plans for resolving the other open items and updating the
documents.

Regards,
-Pavan and Lou

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ght:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tran=
sform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;display=
:inline;float:none">We are canceling the TEAS interim meeting that was slat=
ed for Oct 19th. This meeting was meant for discussing the two NSDT documen=
ts. We were hoping to review an updated version of the documents addressing=
 the comments received on the list during the adoption poll, but the revise=
d documents are not yet ready.</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-fam=
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rmal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text=
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x;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:n=
one;display:inline;float:none">We note that one of the major discussion top=
ics, i.e., the =E2=80=9Cnaming=E2=80=9D issue, has been resolved on the lis=
t (Thanks to everyone who helped in running this down!). We request the DT/=
authors to send an update to the list regarding their plans for resolving t=
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ne;display:inline;float:none">Regards,</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);=
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Kiran, all,

I want to thank the authors of this draft for their work and for listening.
This version of the draft is a *substantial* improvement.

Of course, I still have some issues I'd like to work through. Some of my
concerns are "just" language usage where the choice of words or phrasing
means something that I don't think the authors intend. Other concerns are
about the details. But all in all, this is going in the right direction.

I still think there is too much text in this definitions document. I think
that is a natural result of having several documents in the pipe at the same
time. There is explanation of how things work and hang together that, in my
opinion, should relocate to other documents - maybe the framework, maybe
dedicated applicability statements. For example, I can see value in a
document explaining how IETF network slices fit into the models of
"end-to-end network slices" as conceived in other SDOs.

Best,
Adrian

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This is still a work in progress document but several comments and feedback
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   slice, related terms and their meanings, and explains how IETF
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Hi Kiran, all,=20

Thank you for sharing this updated version.=20

(1)

It seems that the scope is still connectivity:

   An IETF Network Slice is a well-defined structure of connectivity
   requirements and associated network behaviors.  IETF Network Slices
   are defined such that they are independent of the underlying
   infrastructure connectivity and technologies used.  This is to allow
   an IETF Network Slice consumer to describe their network connectivity
   and relevant objectives in a common format, independent of the
   underlying technologies used.=20

Which is fine by me but the use of "network slice" is misleading.=20

(2)

I already made this comment during the call for adoption, but I don't see i=
t addressed in this version: It would be really cool if we can identify att=
ributes that are **specific** to slicing vs generic ones. I'm particularly =
referring to the CPP defined in RFC7297:

=3D=3D=3D=3D
   3.  Connectivity Provisioning Profile (CPP)=20
     3.1.  Customer Nodes Map=20
     3.2.  Scope=20=20
     3.3.  QoS Guarantees=20=20=20
     3.4.  Availability=20=20=20
     3.5.  Capacity=20=20=20
     3.6.  Conformance Traffic=20=20
     3.7.  Overall Traffic Guarantees=20=20=20
     3.8.  Traffic Isolation=20=20
     3.9.  Flow Identification=20=20
     3.10. Routing and Forwarding=20=20=20
     3.11. Activation Means=20=20=20
     3.12. Invocation Means=20=20=20
     3.13. Notifications=20=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D

(3)

Both clarifications are important to be worked out for the following reason=
s:=20
* If the "IETF Network slice" is more than connectivity, then its connectiv=
ity component does not need to signal explicitly this is about a "slice" be=
cause its presence in the "IETF Network slice" is sufficient to infer that.

* If there are no connectivity-related attributes that are specific to slic=
ing, then we need to factorize and use a generic modelling for the connecti=
vity component. For example, an ABNF inspired from RFC7297 would look like:=
=20=20=20

   <NETWORK_SLICE> ::=3D=20
                 <Some_Non_Connectivity_Component> ...
                 <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ...
   <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ::=3D
                              <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ...
   <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ::=3D
                              <Customer Nodes Map>
                              <Scope>
                              <QoS Guarantees>
                              <Availability>
                              <Capacity>
                              <Traffic Isolation>
                              <Conformance Traffic>
                              <Flow Identification>
                              <Overall Traffic Guarantees>
                              <Routing and Forwarding>
                              <Activation Means>
                              <Invocation Means>
                              <Notifications>
                              <Optional Information Element> ...

Cheers,
Med

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> Makhijani
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> ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
>=20
> Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
> FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously
> called transport slices) definition document.
>=20
> This is still a work in progress document but several comments and
> feedback received till now have been addressed. We want to share
> updates so far and look forward to further comments and discussion.
>=20
> Thanks
> -Authors
>=20

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Hi Med,
Many thanks for reviewing the updated text.=20

Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's misleading? and " *=
*specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see CPP/7297 relates =
to IETF network slices?

On (2) and (3): Terminology document is motivated to establish minimal comm=
on understanding independently - upon which further work can progress, as w=
ell as previous efforts can relate to.=20

With that in mind, there are 2 ways to tie down RFC7297 -  we have applicab=
ility section in framework and appropriate text on how CPP applies can go t=
here. Another option is to establish CPP relationship briefly with SLOs in =
section  4.1.1 to slices with a reference to 7297. In both cases we need yo=
ur help to provide the right text.=20

But that's secondary. Lets first cover (1).
-Kiran


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:41 AM
> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG
> <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-sl=
ice-
> definition-00.txt
>=20
> Hi Kiran, all,
>=20
> Thank you for sharing this updated version.
>=20
> (1)
>=20
> It seems that the scope is still connectivity:
>=20
>    An IETF Network Slice is a well-defined structure of connectivity
>    requirements and associated network behaviors.  IETF Network Slices
>    are defined such that they are independent of the underlying
>    infrastructure connectivity and technologies used.  This is to allow
>    an IETF Network Slice consumer to describe their network connectivity
>    and relevant objectives in a common format, independent of the
>    underlying technologies used.
>=20
> Which is fine by me but the use of "network slice" is misleading.
>=20
> (2)
>=20
> I already made this comment during the call for adoption, but I don't see=
 it
> addressed in this version: It would be really cool if we can identify att=
ributes
> that are **specific** to slicing vs generic ones. I'm particularly referr=
ing to the
> CPP defined in RFC7297:
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D
>    3.  Connectivity Provisioning Profile (CPP)
>      3.1.  Customer Nodes Map
>      3.2.  Scope
>      3.3.  QoS Guarantees
>      3.4.  Availability
>      3.5.  Capacity
>      3.6.  Conformance Traffic
>      3.7.  Overall Traffic Guarantees
>      3.8.  Traffic Isolation
>      3.9.  Flow Identification
>      3.10. Routing and Forwarding
>      3.11. Activation Means
>      3.12. Invocation Means
>      3.13. Notifications
> =3D=3D=3D=3D
>=20
> (3)
>=20
> Both clarifications are important to be worked out for the following reas=
ons:
> * If the "IETF Network slice" is more than connectivity, then its connect=
ivity
> component does not need to signal explicitly this is about a "slice" beca=
use its
> presence in the "IETF Network slice" is sufficient to infer that.
>=20
> * If there are no connectivity-related attributes that are specific to sl=
icing, then
> we need to factorize and use a generic modelling for the connectivity
> component. For example, an ABNF inspired from RFC7297 would look like:
>=20
>    <NETWORK_SLICE> ::=3D
>                  <Some_Non_Connectivity_Component> ...
>                  <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ...
>    <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ::=3D
>                               <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ...
>    <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ::=3D
>                               <Customer Nodes Map>
>                               <Scope>
>                               <QoS Guarantees>
>                               <Availability>
>                               <Capacity>
>                               <Traffic Isolation>
>                               <Conformance Traffic>
>                               <Flow Identification>
>                               <Overall Traffic Guarantees>
>                               <Routing and Forwarding>
>                               <Activation Means>
>                               <Invocation Means>
>                               <Notifications>
>                               <Optional Information Element> ...
>=20
> Cheers,
> Med
>=20
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De=A0: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Kiran Makhijan=
i
> > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 22 octobre 2020 08:12 =C0=A0: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; T=
EAS WG
> > <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
> > draft-nsdt-teas- ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
> >
> > Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
> > FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously
> > called transport slices) definition document.
> >
> > This is still a work in progress document but several comments and
> > feedback received till now have been addressed. We want to share
> > updates so far and look forward to further comments and discussion.
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Authors
> >
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Dear Lou Berger,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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    teas Session 1 (2:00 requested)
    Monday, 16 November 2020, Session III 1600-1800
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iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/teas.ics

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Hi Kiran,

> Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's misleading?

Sure.

Changing the name without adjusting the scope is what is misleading. The ac=
tual description is more about connectivity which is exactly what you had i=
n previous versions of the draft but the use of "network slice" suggests th=
is is not exclusively restricted to connectivity but can include "something=
 else". There is a disconnect if you will between the scope as described in=
 the draft and the current name. This discussion is meant to hopefully clar=
ify this.

> and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see

The question is whether the required attributes to characterize the connect=
ivity part of a slice can be used beyond slicing or there are attributes th=
at are "tied" to slicing. We need to call out these exclusive attributes, i=
f any. This is important from a modelling standpoint.

> CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?

This depends on the answer to the previous question, but from the current d=
raft, the connectivity component of an "IETF Network Slice" can be expresse=
d as a CPP.=20

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Kiran Makhijani [mailto:kiranm@futurewei.com]
> Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 23 octobre 2020 19:47
> =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; teas-
> ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> Objet=A0: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-
> network-slice-definition-00.txt
>=20
> Hi Med,
> Many thanks for reviewing the updated text.
>=20
> Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's misleading?
> and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see
> CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?
>=20
> On (2) and (3): Terminology document is motivated to establish
> minimal common understanding independently - upon which further work
> can progress, as well as previous efforts can relate to.
>=20
> With that in mind, there are 2 ways to tie down RFC7297 -  we have
> applicability section in framework and appropriate text on how CPP
> applies can go there. Another option is to establish CPP
> relationship briefly with SLOs in section  4.1.1 to slices with a
> reference to 7297. In both cases we need your help to provide the
> right text.
>=20
> But that's secondary. Lets first cover (1).
> -Kiran
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:41 AM
> > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org;
> TEAS
> > WG <teas@ietf.org>
> > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for
> > draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-
> > definition-00.txt
> >
> > Hi Kiran, all,
> >
> > Thank you for sharing this updated version.
> >
> > (1)
> >
> > It seems that the scope is still connectivity:
> >
> >    An IETF Network Slice is a well-defined structure of
> connectivity
> >    requirements and associated network behaviors.  IETF Network
> Slices
> >    are defined such that they are independent of the underlying
> >    infrastructure connectivity and technologies used.  This is to
> allow
> >    an IETF Network Slice consumer to describe their network
> connectivity
> >    and relevant objectives in a common format, independent of the
> >    underlying technologies used.
> >
> > Which is fine by me but the use of "network slice" is misleading.
> >
> > (2)
> >
> > I already made this comment during the call for adoption, but I
> don't
> > see it addressed in this version: It would be really cool if we
> can
> > identify attributes that are **specific** to slicing vs generic
> ones.
> > I'm particularly referring to the CPP defined in RFC7297:
> >
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> >    3.  Connectivity Provisioning Profile (CPP)
> >      3.1.  Customer Nodes Map
> >      3.2.  Scope
> >      3.3.  QoS Guarantees
> >      3.4.  Availability
> >      3.5.  Capacity
> >      3.6.  Conformance Traffic
> >      3.7.  Overall Traffic Guarantees
> >      3.8.  Traffic Isolation
> >      3.9.  Flow Identification
> >      3.10. Routing and Forwarding
> >      3.11. Activation Means
> >      3.12. Invocation Means
> >      3.13. Notifications
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> >
> > (3)
> >
> > Both clarifications are important to be worked out for the
> following reasons:
> > * If the "IETF Network slice" is more than connectivity, then its
> > connectivity component does not need to signal explicitly this is
> > about a "slice" because its presence in the "IETF Network slice"
> is sufficient to infer that.
> >
> > * If there are no connectivity-related attributes that are
> specific to
> > slicing, then we need to factorize and use a generic modelling for
> the
> > connectivity component. For example, an ABNF inspired from RFC7297
> would look like:
> >
> >    <NETWORK_SLICE> ::=3D
> >                  <Some_Non_Connectivity_Component> ...
> >                  <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ...
> >    <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ::=3D
> >                               <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE>
> ...
> >    <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ::=3D
> >                               <Customer Nodes Map>
> >                               <Scope>
> >                               <QoS Guarantees>
> >                               <Availability>
> >                               <Capacity>
> >                               <Traffic Isolation>
> >                               <Conformance Traffic>
> >                               <Flow Identification>
> >                               <Overall Traffic Guarantees>
> >                               <Routing and Forwarding>
> >                               <Activation Means>
> >                               <Invocation Means>
> >                               <Notifications>
> >                               <Optional Information Element> ...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De=A0: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Kiran
> > > Makhijani Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 22 octobre 2020 08:12 =C0=A0:
> > > teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: [Teas] FW:
> New
> > > Version Notification for
> > > draft-nsdt-teas- ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
> > >
> > > Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
> > > FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously
> > > called transport slices) definition document.
> > >
> > > This is still a work in progress document but several comments
> and
> > > feedback received till now have been addressed. We want to share
> > > updates so far and look forward to further comments and
> discussion.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > -Authors
> > >
> >


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The final agenda for IETF 109 is out (
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/agenda-utc) and we are scheduled
to meet on Monday, November 16th (09:00-11:00 UTC).

Please send your slot requests to our Secretary (Matt on cc) and the Chairs
by the end of the day on Monday, November 2nd. Please specify which
draft(s) you plan to present, who will be presenting, and how long you
need.

Regards,
-Pavan, Lou and Matt

Relevant Dates:
- 2020-11-02 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts,
including -00) by UTC 23:59.
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/>
- 2020-11-04 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59.
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials>
- 2020-11-09 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by UTC 23:59.
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The final agenda for IETF 109 is out (<a href=3D"http=
s://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/agenda-utc">https://datatracker.ietf.o=
rg/meeting/109/agenda-utc</a>) and we are scheduled to meet on Monday, Nove=
mber 16th (09:00-11:00 UTC).</div><div><br></div><div>Please send your slot=
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draft(s) you plan to present, who will be presenting, and how long you=20
need. <br><br>Regards,<br>-Pavan, Lou and Matt<br><br>Relevant Dates:</div>=
<div><li> 2020-11-02 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all d=
rafts, including -00) by UTC 23:59.<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/=
submit/"><br></a></li>
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3:59.<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials"><br></a=
></li>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : PCE in Native IP Network
        Authors         : Aijun Wang
                          Boris Khasanov
                          Quintin Zhao
                          Huaimo Chen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teas-pce-native-ip-12.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2020-10-28

Abstract:
   This document defines the architecture for traffic engineering within
   native IP network, using multiple BGP sessions strategy and PCE
   -based central control mechanism.  It uses the Central Control
   Dynamic Routing (CCDR) procedures described in this document, and the
   Path Computation Element Communication Protocol (PCEP) extension
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Subject: Re: [Teas] New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
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Hi Med,=20
Well! while working on this major revision authors did not feel that primar=
y scope need to be adjusted. Although a lot of re-write has happened. Defla=
ting the tension with naming and addressing major comments  were the first =
steps.=20

Our proposed definition has 2 parts, first one is connectivity (because we =
concern with network specific characteristics) and second is meeting servic=
e specific requirements, which allows consumer to specify its application/s=
ervice needs. One could extend those objectives if they can be well-describ=
ed through NBI and are feasible in the realized network.

I still do not know what is that "something else" you are alluding to? Term=
inology document should be very clear so it will be good to know what other=
 things you have in mind that have been overlooked.

You are also asking whether required attributes to characterize an IETF net=
work slice can be used beyond slicing. Without clearly knowing what you wan=
t, I see them being usable in the context of end-to-end slice (last section=
 before security) which is broader than the IETF network slice.=20

Thanks
Kiran


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:27 AM
> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG
> <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-sl=
ice-
> definition-00.txt
>=20
> Hi Kiran,
>=20
> > Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's misleading?
>=20
> Sure.
>=20
> Changing the name without adjusting the scope is what is misleading. The
> actual description is more about connectivity which is exactly what you h=
ad in
> previous versions of the draft but the use of "network slice" suggests th=
is is not
> exclusively restricted to connectivity but can include "something else". =
There is
> a disconnect if you will between the scope as described in the draft and =
the
> current name. This discussion is meant to hopefully clarify this.
>=20
> > and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see
>=20
> The question is whether the required attributes to characterize the conne=
ctivity
> part of a slice can be used beyond slicing or there are attributes that a=
re "tied"
> to slicing. We need to call out these exclusive attributes, if any. This =
is
> important from a modelling standpoint.
>=20
> > CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?
>=20
> This depends on the answer to the previous question, but from the current
> draft, the connectivity component of an "IETF Network Slice" can be expre=
ssed
> as a CPP.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Med
>=20
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De=A0: Kiran Makhijani [mailto:kiranm@futurewei.com] Envoy=E9=A0: vendr=
edi
> > 23 octobre 2020 19:47 =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
> > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; teas- ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG
> > <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: RE: New Version Notification for
> > draft-nsdt-teas-ietf- network-slice-definition-00.txt
> >
> > Hi Med,
> > Many thanks for reviewing the updated text.
> >
> > Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's misleading?
> > and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see
> > CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?
> >
> > On (2) and (3): Terminology document is motivated to establish minimal
> > common understanding independently - upon which further work can
> > progress, as well as previous efforts can relate to.
> >
> > With that in mind, there are 2 ways to tie down RFC7297 -  we have
> > applicability section in framework and appropriate text on how CPP
> > applies can go there. Another option is to establish CPP relationship
> > briefly with SLOs in section  4.1.1 to slices with a reference to
> > 7297. In both cases we need your help to provide the right text.
> >
> > But that's secondary. Lets first cover (1).
> > -Kiran
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:41 AM
> > > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org;
> > TEAS
> > > WG <teas@ietf.org>
> > > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for
> > > draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-
> > > definition-00.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Kiran, all,
> > >
> > > Thank you for sharing this updated version.
> > >
> > > (1)
> > >
> > > It seems that the scope is still connectivity:
> > >
> > >    An IETF Network Slice is a well-defined structure of
> > connectivity
> > >    requirements and associated network behaviors.  IETF Network
> > Slices
> > >    are defined such that they are independent of the underlying
> > >    infrastructure connectivity and technologies used.  This is to
> > allow
> > >    an IETF Network Slice consumer to describe their network
> > connectivity
> > >    and relevant objectives in a common format, independent of the
> > >    underlying technologies used.
> > >
> > > Which is fine by me but the use of "network slice" is misleading.
> > >
> > > (2)
> > >
> > > I already made this comment during the call for adoption, but I
> > don't
> > > see it addressed in this version: It would be really cool if we
> > can
> > > identify attributes that are **specific** to slicing vs generic
> > ones.
> > > I'm particularly referring to the CPP defined in RFC7297:
> > >
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > >    3.  Connectivity Provisioning Profile (CPP)
> > >      3.1.  Customer Nodes Map
> > >      3.2.  Scope
> > >      3.3.  QoS Guarantees
> > >      3.4.  Availability
> > >      3.5.  Capacity
> > >      3.6.  Conformance Traffic
> > >      3.7.  Overall Traffic Guarantees
> > >      3.8.  Traffic Isolation
> > >      3.9.  Flow Identification
> > >      3.10. Routing and Forwarding
> > >      3.11. Activation Means
> > >      3.12. Invocation Means
> > >      3.13. Notifications
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > >
> > > (3)
> > >
> > > Both clarifications are important to be worked out for the
> > following reasons:
> > > * If the "IETF Network slice" is more than connectivity, then its
> > > connectivity component does not need to signal explicitly this is
> > > about a "slice" because its presence in the "IETF Network slice"
> > is sufficient to infer that.
> > >
> > > * If there are no connectivity-related attributes that are
> > specific to
> > > slicing, then we need to factorize and use a generic modelling for
> > the
> > > connectivity component. For example, an ABNF inspired from RFC7297
> > would look like:
> > >
> > >    <NETWORK_SLICE> ::=3D
> > >                  <Some_Non_Connectivity_Component> ...
> > >                  <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ...
> > >    <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ::=3D
> > >                               <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE>
> > ...
> > >    <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ::=3D
> > >                               <Customer Nodes Map>
> > >                               <Scope>
> > >                               <QoS Guarantees>
> > >                               <Availability>
> > >                               <Capacity>
> > >                               <Traffic Isolation>
> > >                               <Conformance Traffic>
> > >                               <Flow Identification>
> > >                               <Overall Traffic Guarantees>
> > >                               <Routing and Forwarding>
> > >                               <Activation Means>
> > >                               <Invocation Means>
> > >                               <Notifications>
> > >                               <Optional Information Element> ...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Med
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De=A0: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Kiran
> > > > Makhijani Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 22 octobre 2020 08:12 =C0=A0:
> > > > teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: [Teas] FW:
> > New
> > > > Version Notification for
> > > > draft-nsdt-teas- ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
> > > >
> > > > Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
> > > > FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously
> > > > called transport slices) definition document.
> > > >
> > > > This is still a work in progress document but several comments
> > and
> > > > feedback received till now have been addressed. We want to share
> > > > updates so far and look forward to further comments and
> > discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Authors
> > > >
> > >
>=20
>=20
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Thanks Adrian,=20
According to authors the current text in this document is just enough to pr=
ovide clarity on the IETF network slice concept.=20
I remember you wanted current section 5 to be removed but we felt it's impo=
rtant and pruned it quite a bit - we will further combine section 5 and 10 =
to define end-to-end slices relationship and the structure in one place.=20
Other than that, we are waiting for revision on isolation contribution from=
 Jie, Luis, and Jeff. =20

Yes, end-to-end slicing will need quite a bit of explanation but minimal de=
scription here is also important to show the scope of IETF network slices i=
n the broader concept.=20

I hope that the mailing list this time agrees that it is a reasonable termi=
nology-set.=20
-Kiran


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:44 AM
> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG=
'
> <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf=
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> network-slice-definition-00.txt
>=20
> Kiran, all,
>=20
> I want to thank the authors of this draft for their work and for listenin=
g.
> This version of the draft is a *substantial* improvement.
>=20
> Of course, I still have some issues I'd like to work through. Some of my =
concerns
> are "just" language usage where the choice of words or phrasing means
> something that I don't think the authors intend. Other concerns are about=
 the
> details. But all in all, this is going in the right direction.
>=20
> I still think there is too much text in this definitions document. I thin=
k that is a
> natural result of having several documents in the pipe at the same time. =
There
> is explanation of how things work and hang together that, in my opinion,
> should relocate to other documents - maybe the framework, maybe dedicated
> applicability statements. For example, I can see value in a document expl=
aining
> how IETF network slices fit into the models of "end-to-end network slices=
" as
> conceived in other SDOs.
>=20
> Best,
> Adrian
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 22 October 2020 07:12
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> Subject: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-net=
work-
> slice-definition-00.txt
>=20
> Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
> FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously called t=
ransport
> slices) definition document.
>=20
> This is still a work in progress document but several comments and feedba=
ck
> received till now have been addressed. We want to share updates so far an=
d
> look forward to further comments and discussion.
>=20
> Thanks
> -Authors
>=20
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> A new version of I-D, draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.tx=
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I hope this debate is not dancing on the head of a pin, but it does seem =
to
be quite fundamental to what we are trying to achieve.

On the one hand, a network contains many "resources" such as storage,
compute, virtual functions, and access to content. If the process of =
slicing
is to 'share out' the network resources by building "virtual networks," =
then
those virtual networks surely need to include all the sorts of things =
that a
physical network includes.

On the other hand, the primary need is clearly connectivity. Without
connectivity we have nothing.

Maybe we have two concepts:
- IETF network slicing
- IETF connectivity network slicing

The second of these is a subset of the first.
The second is what Kiran is seeking to discuss in this draft (I think,
reading her emails and having talked with her).
The first is, I think, what Med is talking about.

Notwithstanding, all of this, Kiran's approach is the right one for this
draft at the moment. That is, fix the most inflammatory issues first; =
pick
up a pile of nits along the way; reduce the text to only that which is
necessary (work in progress); and then come up with something we can =
debate
a bit more clearly.

Cheers,
Adrian

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Hi Med,=20
Well! while working on this major revision authors did not feel that =
primary
scope need to be adjusted. Although a lot of re-write has happened.
Deflating the tension with naming and addressing major comments  were =
the
first steps.=20

Our proposed definition has 2 parts, first one is connectivity (because =
we
concern with network specific characteristics) and second is meeting =
service
specific requirements, which allows consumer to specify its
application/service needs. One could extend those objectives if they can =
be
well-described through NBI and are feasible in the realized network.

I still do not know what is that "something else" you are alluding to?
Terminology document should be very clear so it will be good to know =
what
other things you have in mind that have been overlooked.

You are also asking whether required attributes to characterize an IETF
network slice can be used beyond slicing. Without clearly knowing what =
you
want, I see them being usable in the context of end-to-end slice (last
section before security) which is broader than the IETF network slice.=20

Thanks
Kiran


> -----Original Message-----
> From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:27 AM
> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS =
WG
> <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: New Version Notification for
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-
> definition-00.txt
>=20
> Hi Kiran,
>=20
> > Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's misleading?
>=20
> Sure.
>=20
> Changing the name without adjusting the scope is what is misleading. =
The
> actual description is more about connectivity which is exactly what =
you
had in
> previous versions of the draft but the use of "network slice" suggests
this is not
> exclusively restricted to connectivity but can include "something =
else".
There is
> a disconnect if you will between the scope as described in the draft =
and
the
> current name. This discussion is meant to hopefully clarify this.
>=20
> > and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see
>=20
> The question is whether the required attributes to characterize the
connectivity
> part of a slice can be used beyond slicing or there are attributes =
that
are "tied"
> to slicing. We need to call out these exclusive attributes, if any. =
This
is
> important from a modelling standpoint.
>=20
> > CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?
>=20
> This depends on the answer to the previous question, but from the =
current
> draft, the connectivity component of an "IETF Network Slice" can be
expressed
> as a CPP.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Med
>=20
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De=A0: Kiran Makhijani [mailto:kiranm@futurewei.com] Envoy=E9=A0: =
vendredi
> > 23 octobre 2020 19:47 =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
> > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; teas- ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG
> > <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: RE: New Version Notification for
> > draft-nsdt-teas-ietf- network-slice-definition-00.txt
> >
> > Hi Med,
> > Many thanks for reviewing the updated text.
> >
> > Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's misleading?
> > and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see
> > CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?
> >
> > On (2) and (3): Terminology document is motivated to establish =
minimal
> > common understanding independently - upon which further work can
> > progress, as well as previous efforts can relate to.
> >
> > With that in mind, there are 2 ways to tie down RFC7297 -  we have
> > applicability section in framework and appropriate text on how CPP
> > applies can go there. Another option is to establish CPP =
relationship
> > briefly with SLOs in section  4.1.1 to slices with a reference to
> > 7297. In both cases we need your help to provide the right text.
> >
> > But that's secondary. Lets first cover (1).
> > -Kiran
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:41 AM
> > > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org;
> > TEAS
> > > WG <teas@ietf.org>
> > > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for
> > > draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-
> > > definition-00.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Kiran, all,
> > >
> > > Thank you for sharing this updated version.
> > >
> > > (1)
> > >
> > > It seems that the scope is still connectivity:
> > >
> > >    An IETF Network Slice is a well-defined structure of
> > connectivity
> > >    requirements and associated network behaviors.  IETF Network
> > Slices
> > >    are defined such that they are independent of the underlying
> > >    infrastructure connectivity and technologies used.  This is to
> > allow
> > >    an IETF Network Slice consumer to describe their network
> > connectivity
> > >    and relevant objectives in a common format, independent of the
> > >    underlying technologies used.
> > >
> > > Which is fine by me but the use of "network slice" is misleading.
> > >
> > > (2)
> > >
> > > I already made this comment during the call for adoption, but I
> > don't
> > > see it addressed in this version: It would be really cool if we
> > can
> > > identify attributes that are **specific** to slicing vs generic
> > ones.
> > > I'm particularly referring to the CPP defined in RFC7297:
> > >
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > >    3.  Connectivity Provisioning Profile (CPP)
> > >      3.1.  Customer Nodes Map
> > >      3.2.  Scope
> > >      3.3.  QoS Guarantees
> > >      3.4.  Availability
> > >      3.5.  Capacity
> > >      3.6.  Conformance Traffic
> > >      3.7.  Overall Traffic Guarantees
> > >      3.8.  Traffic Isolation
> > >      3.9.  Flow Identification
> > >      3.10. Routing and Forwarding
> > >      3.11. Activation Means
> > >      3.12. Invocation Means
> > >      3.13. Notifications
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > >
> > > (3)
> > >
> > > Both clarifications are important to be worked out for the
> > following reasons:
> > > * If the "IETF Network slice" is more than connectivity, then its
> > > connectivity component does not need to signal explicitly this is
> > > about a "slice" because its presence in the "IETF Network slice"
> > is sufficient to infer that.
> > >
> > > * If there are no connectivity-related attributes that are
> > specific to
> > > slicing, then we need to factorize and use a generic modelling for
> > the
> > > connectivity component. For example, an ABNF inspired from RFC7297
> > would look like:
> > >
> > >    <NETWORK_SLICE> ::=3D
> > >                  <Some_Non_Connectivity_Component> ...
> > >                  <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ...
> > >    <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ::=3D
> > >                               <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE>
> > ...
> > >    <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ::=3D
> > >                               <Customer Nodes Map>
> > >                               <Scope>
> > >                               <QoS Guarantees>
> > >                               <Availability>
> > >                               <Capacity>
> > >                               <Traffic Isolation>
> > >                               <Conformance Traffic>
> > >                               <Flow Identification>
> > >                               <Overall Traffic Guarantees>
> > >                               <Routing and Forwarding>
> > >                               <Activation Means>
> > >                               <Invocation Means>
> > >                               <Notifications>
> > >                               <Optional Information Element> ...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Med
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De=A0: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Kiran
> > > > Makhijani Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 22 octobre 2020 08:12 =C0=A0:
> > > > teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: [Teas] =
FW:
> > New
> > > > Version Notification for
> > > > draft-nsdt-teas- ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
> > > >
> > > > Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
> > > > FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously
> > > > called transport slices) definition document.
> > > >
> > > > This is still a work in progress document but several comments
> > and
> > > > feedback received till now have been addressed. We want to share
> > > > updates so far and look forward to further comments and
> > discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > -Authors
> > > >
> > >
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Thanks Kiran,

It is getting markedly better.
I'll wait for Jie, Luis, and Jeff before I look at the draft again.

A

-----Original Message-----
From: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com> 
Sent: 28 October 2020 15:53
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG' <teas@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt

Thanks Adrian, 
According to authors the current text in this document is just enough to
provide clarity on the IETF network slice concept. 
I remember you wanted current section 5 to be removed but we felt it's
important and pruned it quite a bit - we will further combine section 5 and
10 to define end-to-end slices relationship and the structure in one place. 
Other than that, we are waiting for revision on isolation contribution from
Jie, Luis, and Jeff.  

Yes, end-to-end slicing will need quite a bit of explanation but minimal
description here is also important to show the scope of IETF network slices
in the broader concept. 

I hope that the mailing list this time agrees that it is a reasonable
terminology-set. 
-Kiran


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:44 AM
> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG'
> <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-
> network-slice-definition-00.txt
> 
> Kiran, all,
> 
> I want to thank the authors of this draft for their work and for
listening.
> This version of the draft is a *substantial* improvement.
> 
> Of course, I still have some issues I'd like to work through. Some of my
concerns
> are "just" language usage where the choice of words or phrasing means
> something that I don't think the authors intend. Other concerns are about
the
> details. But all in all, this is going in the right direction.
> 
> I still think there is too much text in this definitions document. I think
that is a
> natural result of having several documents in the pipe at the same time.
There
> is explanation of how things work and hang together that, in my opinion,
> should relocate to other documents - maybe the framework, maybe dedicated
> applicability statements. For example, I can see value in a document
explaining
> how IETF network slices fit into the models of "end-to-end network slices"
as
> conceived in other SDOs.
> 
> Best,
> Adrian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kiran Makhijani
> Sent: 22 October 2020 07:12
> To: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-
> slice-definition-00.txt
> 
> Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
> FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously called
transport
> slices) definition document.
> 
> This is still a work in progress document but several comments and
feedback
> received till now have been addressed. We want to share updates so far and
> look forward to further comments and discussion.
> 
> Thanks
> -Authors
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> A new version of I-D, draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
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> Name:		draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition
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> Title:		Definition of IETF Network Slices
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>    This document provides a definition of the term "IETF Network Slice"
>    for use within the IETF and specifically as a reference for other
>    IETF documents that describe or use aspects of network slices.
> 
>    The document also describes the characteristics of an IETF network
>    slice, related terms and their meanings, and explains how IETF
>    network slices can be used in combination with end-to-end network
>    slices or independent of them.
> 
> 
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Hmmm.  I had understood something slightly different.   I may well have 
misunderstood.
I thought we would adopt as a WG document a document with place-holders 
for things like isolation.  Then folks could see if they could come up 
with something to fill those holes that the WG would accept during teh 
WG work on the document.  If we reached the end, and could not fill 
those gaps, then we would see if we could agree to remove the 
placeholder sections.

Yours,
Joel

On 10/28/2020 12:20 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> Thanks Kiran,
> 
> It is getting markedly better.
> I'll wait for Jie, Luis, and Jeff before I look at the draft again.
> 
> A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>
> Sent: 28 October 2020 15:53
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG' <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
> 
> Thanks Adrian,
> According to authors the current text in this document is just enough to
> provide clarity on the IETF network slice concept.
> I remember you wanted current section 5 to be removed but we felt it's
> important and pruned it quite a bit - we will further combine section 5 and
> 10 to define end-to-end slices relationship and the structure in one place.
> Other than that, we are waiting for revision on isolation contribution from
> Jie, Luis, and Jeff.
> 
> Yes, end-to-end slicing will need quite a bit of explanation but minimal
> description here is also important to show the scope of IETF network slices
> in the broader concept.
> 
> I hope that the mailing list this time agrees that it is a reasonable
> terminology-set.
> -Kiran
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:44 AM
>> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG'
>> <teas@ietf.org>
>> Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-
>> network-slice-definition-00.txt
>>
>> Kiran, all,
>>
>> I want to thank the authors of this draft for their work and for
> listening.
>> This version of the draft is a *substantial* improvement.
>>
>> Of course, I still have some issues I'd like to work through. Some of my
> concerns
>> are "just" language usage where the choice of words or phrasing means
>> something that I don't think the authors intend. Other concerns are about
> the
>> details. But all in all, this is going in the right direction.
>>
>> I still think there is too much text in this definitions document. I think
> that is a
>> natural result of having several documents in the pipe at the same time.
> There
>> is explanation of how things work and hang together that, in my opinion,
>> should relocate to other documents - maybe the framework, maybe dedicated
>> applicability statements. For example, I can see value in a document
> explaining
>> how IETF network slices fit into the models of "end-to-end network slices"
> as
>> conceived in other SDOs.
>>
>> Best,
>> Adrian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kiran Makhijani
>> Sent: 22 October 2020 07:12
>> To: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
>> Subject: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-
>> slice-definition-00.txt
>>
>> Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
>> FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously called
> transport
>> slices) definition document.
>>
>> This is still a work in progress document but several comments and
> feedback
>> received till now have been addressed. We want to share updates so far and
>> look forward to further comments and discussion.
>>
>> Thanks
>> -Authors
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 11:00 PM
>> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; Luis Contreras
>> <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>; Reza Rokui
>> <reza.rokui@nokia.com>; Shunsuke Homma
>> <shunsuke.homma.ietf@gmail.com>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>;
>> Luis M. Contreras <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>
>> Subject: New Version Notification for
>> draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
>>
>>
>> A new version of I-D, draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
>> has been successfully submitted by Kiran Makhijani and posted to the IETF
>> repository.
>>
>> Name:		draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition
>> Revision:	00
>> Title:		Definition of IETF Network Slices
>> Document date:	2020-10-21
>> Group:		Individual Submission
>> Pages:		17
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Hi Joel,

=20

I wish we were not waiting to hear from the isolation trio on their =
proposal.

=20

Nevertheless, I think it is worth looking at the text in Kiran's latest =
version. It goes, I think, some way to addressing your legitimate =
concerns about the concept of isolation.

=20

*	Firstly, it observes that isolation is mainly the property of not =
being negatively impacted by other slices/services.

=20

*	The it notes that the demand for isolation may be met by conformance =
to other SLOs.

=20

*	And finally it separates isolation as an SLO from isolation as a =
realisation technique.=20

=20

While this continues to include the term =E2=80=98isolation=E2=80=99, it =
looks to me like a reasonable foundation for showing what is meant.

=20

It=E2=80=99s tough for Kiran as she is trying to negotiate a line =
between those who want to discuss isolation and want it to be an =
integral part of slicing and those who want isolation to be totally left =
out of the draft.

=20

A

=20

-----Original Message-----

From: Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>=20

Sent: 28 October 2020 17:16

To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Kiran Makhijani' <kiranm@futurewei.com>; =
teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG' <teas@ietf.org>

Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt

=20

Hmmm.  I had understood something slightly different.   I may well have=20

misunderstood.

I thought we would adopt as a WG document a document with place-holders=20

for things like isolation.  Then folks could see if they could come up=20

with something to fill those holes that the WG would accept during teh=20

WG work on the document.  If we reached the end, and could not fill=20

those gaps, then we would see if we could agree to remove the=20

placeholder sections.

=20

Yours,

Joel

=20

On 10/28/2020 12:20 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:

> Thanks Kiran,

>=20

> It is getting markedly better.

> I'll wait for Jie, Luis, and Jeff before I look at the draft again.

>=20

> A

>=20

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>

> Sent: 28 October 2020 15:53

> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS WG' =
<teas@ietf.org>

> Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for

> draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt

>=20

> Thanks Adrian,

> According to authors the current text in this document is just enough =
to

> provide clarity on the IETF network slice concept.

> I remember you wanted current section 5 to be removed but we felt it's

> important and pruned it quite a bit - we will further combine section =
5 and

> 10 to define end-to-end slices relationship and the structure in one =
place.

> Other than that, we are waiting for revision on isolation contribution =
from

> Jie, Luis, and Jeff.

>=20

> Yes, end-to-end slicing will need quite a bit of explanation but =
minimal

> description here is also important to show the scope of IETF network =
slices

> in the broader concept.

>=20

> I hope that the mailing list this time agrees that it is a reasonable

> terminology-set.

> -Kiran

>=20

>=20

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>

>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:44 AM

>> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; =
'TEAS WG'

>> <teas@ietf.org>

>> Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-

>> network-slice-definition-00.txt

>>=20

>> Kiran, all,

>>=20

>> I want to thank the authors of this draft for their work and for

> listening.

>> This version of the draft is a *substantial* improvement.

>>=20

>> Of course, I still have some issues I'd like to work through. Some of =
my

> concerns

>> are "just" language usage where the choice of words or phrasing means

>> something that I don't think the authors intend. Other concerns are =
about

> the

>> details. But all in all, this is going in the right direction.

>>=20

>> I still think there is too much text in this definitions document. I =
think

> that is a

>> natural result of having several documents in the pipe at the same =
time.

> There

>> is explanation of how things work and hang together that, in my =
opinion,

>> should relocate to other documents - maybe the framework, maybe =
dedicated

>> applicability statements. For example, I can see value in a document

> explaining

>> how IETF network slices fit into the models of "end-to-end network =
slices"

> as

>> conceived in other SDOs.

>>=20

>> Best,

>> Adrian

>>=20

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kiran Makhijani

>> Sent: 22 October 2020 07:12

>> To: teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>

>> Subject: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for

> draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-

>> slice-definition-00.txt

>>=20

>> Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,

>> FYI: Please find new version of  IETF network slices (previously =
called

> transport

>> slices) definition document.

>>=20

>> This is still a work in progress document but several comments and

> feedback

>> received till now have been addressed. We want to share updates so =
far and

>> look forward to further comments and discussion.

>>=20

>> Thanks

>> -Authors

>>=20

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>

>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 11:00 PM

>> To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; Luis Contreras

>> <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>; Reza Rokui

>> <reza.rokui@nokia.com>; Shunsuke Homma

>> <shunsuke.homma.ietf@gmail.com>; Jeff Tantsura =
<jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>;

>> Luis M. Contreras <luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>

>> Subject: New Version Notification for

>> draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt

>>=20

>>=20

>> A new version of I-D, =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt

>> has been successfully submitted by Kiran Makhijani and posted to the =
IETF

>> repository.

>>=20

>> Name:                           =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition

>> Revision:       00

>> Title:                              Definition of IETF Network Slices

>> Document date:         2020-10-21

>> Group:                          Individual Submission

>> Pages:                           17

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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Hi Joel,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I wish =
we were not waiting to hear from the isolation trio on their =
proposal.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Nevertheless, I think it is worth looking at the =
text in Kiran's latest version. It goes, I think, some way to addressing =
your legitimate concerns about the concept of =
isolation.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><ul style=3D'margin-top:0cm' =
type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'>Firstly, it observes that isolation is mainly the property of not =
being negatively impacted by other =
slices/services.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><ul style=3D'margin-top:0cm' =
type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'>The it notes that the demand for isolation may be met by =
conformance to other SLOs.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><ul style=3D'margin-top:0cm' =
type=3Ddisc><li class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'>And finally it separates isolation as an SLO from isolation as a =
realisation technique. <o:p></o:p></li></ul><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>While =
this continues to include the term =E2=80=98isolation=E2=80=99, it looks =
to me like a reasonable foundation for showing what is =
meant.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>It=E2=80=99s tough for Kiran as she is trying to =
negotiate a line between those who want to discuss isolation and want it =
to be an integral part of slicing and those who want isolation to be =
totally left out of the draft.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>A<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>From: Joel M. Halpern &lt;jmh@joelhalpern.com&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Sent: 28 October 2020 =
17:16<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; =
'Kiran Makhijani' &lt;kiranm@futurewei.com&gt;; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; =
'TEAS WG' &lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification =
for =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Hmmm.=C2=A0 I had understood something slightly =
different.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I may well have <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>misunderstood.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>I thought we would adopt as a WG document a =
document with place-holders <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>for =
things like isolation.=C2=A0 Then folks could see if they could come up =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>with something to fill those =
holes that the WG would accept during teh <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>WG work on the document.=C2=A0 If we reached the =
end, and could not fill <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>those =
gaps, then we would see if we could agree to remove the =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>placeholder =
sections.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Yours,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Joel<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>On =
10/28/2020 12:20 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Thanks Kiran,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; It =
is getting markedly better.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
I'll wait for Jie, Luis, and Jeff before I look at the draft =
again.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; A<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; From: Kiran =
Makhijani &lt;kiranm@futurewei.com&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Sent: 28 October 2020 15:53<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; =
'TEAS WG' &lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version =
Notification for<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Thanks Adrian,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; According to =
authors the current text in this document is just enough =
to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; provide clarity on the =
IETF network slice concept.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; I =
remember you wanted current section 5 to be removed but we felt =
it's<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; important and pruned it =
quite a bit - we will further combine section 5 and<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; 10 to define end-to-end slices relationship =
and the structure in one place.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Other than that, we are waiting for revision =
on isolation contribution from<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Jie, Luis, and Jeff.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Yes, end-to-end slicing will need quite a bit of explanation but =
minimal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; description here is =
also important to show the scope of IETF network slices<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; in the broader concept.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; I =
hope that the mailing list this time agrees that it is a =
reasonable<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
terminology-set.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
-Kiran<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; From: Adrian =
Farrel &lt;adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 1:44 =
AM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; To: Kiran Makhijani =
&lt;kiranm@futurewei.com&gt;; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS =
WG'<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; =
&lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; =
Subject: RE: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; =
network-slice-definition-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Kiran, all,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; I want to thank the authors of this draft =
for their work and for<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
listening.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; This version =
of the draft is a *substantial* improvement.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Of course, I still have some issues I'd =
like to work through. Some of my<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; concerns<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; are &quot;just&quot; language usage where =
the choice of words or phrasing means<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; something that I don't think the authors =
intend. Other concerns are about<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; the<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; details. But all in all, this is going in =
the right direction.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; I still think there is too much text in =
this definitions document. I think<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; that is a<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; natural result of having several documents =
in the pipe at the same time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
There<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; is explanation of =
how things work and hang together that, in my opinion,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; should relocate to other documents - maybe =
the framework, maybe dedicated<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; applicability statements. For example, I =
can see value in a document<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
explaining<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; how IETF =
network slices fit into the models of &quot;end-to-end network =
slices&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
as<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; conceived in other =
SDOs.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Best,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Adrian<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; From: Teas =
&lt;teas-bounces@ietf.org&gt; On Behalf Of Kiran =
Makhijani<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Sent: 22 =
October 2020 07:12<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; To: =
teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG &lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Subject: [Teas] FW: New Version =
Notification for<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; slice-definition-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Hello Teas and =
teas-ns-dt,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; FYI: Please =
find new version of=C2=A0 IETF network slices (previously =
called<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
transport<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; slices) =
definition document.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; This is still a work in progress document =
but several comments and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
feedback<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; received till =
now have been addressed. We want to share updates so far =
and<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; look forward to =
further comments and discussion.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; -Authors<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; -----Original =
Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; From: =
internet-drafts@ietf.org =
&lt;internet-drafts@ietf.org&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 11:00 =
PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; To: Kiran Makhijani =
&lt;kiranm@futurewei.com&gt;; Luis Contreras<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; =
&lt;luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com&gt;; Reza =
Rokui<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; =
&lt;reza.rokui@nokia.com&gt;; Shunsuke Homma<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Jeff Tantsura &lt;jefftant.ietf@gmail.com&gt;;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Luis M. Contreras =
&lt;luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&gt; Subject: New Version Notification =
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Hey Jeong-dong,

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Can you clarify (for those who have not been following SMP closely) why =
existing GMPLS signaling pre-emption priorities (session attribute =
set-up and hold priorities) don=E2=80=99t provide you with what you =
need?

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In any case, I would recommend that you use the same order of ranking =
used for the set-up and hold priorities. That is, 0 is the highest =
priority. This seems to be what you are suggesting.

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Best,

Adrian

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From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jeong-dong Ryoo
Sent: 28 October 2020 14:38
To: teas@ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf.org
Cc: Bin Yeong Yoon <byyun@etri.re.kr>; Hejia (Jia) <hejia@huawei.com>; =
Peter Park <peter.park@kt.com>; Italo Busi <italo.busi@huawei.com>
Subject: [Teas] Preemption priority in GMPLS signaling for SMP

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Dear TEAS WG,=20
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This email is to solicit your opinion on how to implement the preemption =
priority for GMPLS signaling extentions for Shared Mesh Protection, =
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04.=20
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As described in draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04, the preemption =
priority is to resolve the competition for shared resources among =
multiple protecting LSPs, when controlled by the Automatic Protection =
Switching (APS).  =20
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The authors of this draft would like to define one octet for the =
preemption priority values and state that a lower value has a higher =
priority. And the number of priority levels is up to the network =
operator. We also want to indicate the preemption priority of a =
protecting LSP in a new field, by shrinking the size of Reserved field, =
within the PROTECTION object.=20
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We would appreciate if you can provide your feedbacks on our proposal =
above.=20
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clarify (for those who have not been following SMP closely) why existing =
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case, I would recommend that you use the same order of ranking used for =
the set-up and hold priorities. That is, 0 is the highest priority. This =
seems to be what you are suggesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Teas =
&lt;teas-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeong-dong =
Ryoo<br><b>Sent:</b> 28 October 2020 14:38<br><b>To:</b> teas@ietf.org; =
teas-chairs@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> Bin Yeong Yoon =
&lt;byyun@etri.re.kr&gt;; Hejia (Jia) &lt;hejia@huawei.com&gt;; Peter =
Park &lt;peter.park@kt.com&gt;; Italo Busi =
&lt;italo.busi@huawei.com&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Teas] Preemption =
priority in GMPLS signaling for SMP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Meiryo",sans-serif;color:black;bac=
kground:white'>Dear TEAS WG,&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Meiryo",sans-serif;color:black'><b=
r><span style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>This email is to solicit your opinion on how =
to implement the preemption priority for GMPLS signaling extentions for =
Shared Mesh Protection, =
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04.&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>As described in =
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04, the preemption priority is to =
resolve the competition for shared resources among multiple protecting =
LSPs, when controlled by the Automatic Protection Switching (APS). =
&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>The authors of this draft would like to =
define one octet for the preemption priority values and state that a =
lower value has a higher priority. And the number of priority levels is =
up to the network operator. We also want to indicate the preemption =
priority of a protecting LSP in a new field, by shrinking the size of =
Reserved field, within the PROTECTION object.&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>We would appreciate if you can provide your =
feedbacks on our proposal above.&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>Best regards,&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>Jeong-dong (on behalf of =
co-authors)&nbsp;</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><table =
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Hi Italo, and co-authors

I am fine with both removing the Editor's note and keeping the current text=
 in section 4.4.

Thanks,
Yuji

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Italo Busi
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 2:38 AM
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Cc: Bin Yeong Yoon <byyun@etri.re.kr>; 'ryoo@etri.re.kr' <ryoo@etri.re.kr>;=
 Hejia (Jia) <hejia@huawei.com>; Peter Park <peter.park@kt.com>
Subject: [Teas] APS configuration in GMPLS signaling for SMP


Dear TEAS WG,



This email is to solicit your opinion on SMP APS configuration (section 4.4=
 of draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04).



The authors believe that SMP APS configuration should be out-of-scope from =
this draft and plan to remove the Editor's note and to keep the current tex=
t in section 4.4.



We would appreciate if you can provide your feedbacks on our proposal above=
.



Best regards,



Italo (on behalf of co-authors)


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yoo@etri.re.kr&gt;; Hejia (Jia) &lt;hejia@huawei.com&gt;; Peter Park &lt;pe=
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Hi Adrian,=20

You got it well. Especially,=20

> Maybe we have two concepts:
> - IETF network slicing
> - IETF connectivity network slicing

Kiran, I fully agree with you that "Terminology document should be very cle=
ar". This is why I do think that explicitly pointing to the concept we are =
looking at will help us progress.

Thanks.=20

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
> Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 28 octobre 2020 17:20
> =C0=A0: 'Kiran Makhijani' <kiranm@futurewei.com>; BOUCADAIR Mohamed
> TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; 'TEAS
> WG' <teas@ietf.org>
> Objet=A0: RE: [Teas-ns-dt] New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-
> teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
>=20
> I hope this debate is not dancing on the head of a pin, but it does
> seem to be quite fundamental to what we are trying to achieve.
>=20
> On the one hand, a network contains many "resources" such as
> storage, compute, virtual functions, and access to content. If the
> process of slicing is to 'share out' the network resources by
> building "virtual networks," then those virtual networks surely need
> to include all the sorts of things that a physical network includes.
>=20
> On the other hand, the primary need is clearly connectivity. Without
> connectivity we have nothing.
>=20
> Maybe we have two concepts:
> - IETF network slicing
> - IETF connectivity network slicing
>=20
> The second of these is a subset of the first.
> The second is what Kiran is seeking to discuss in this draft (I
> think, reading her emails and having talked with her).
> The first is, I think, what Med is talking about.
>=20
> Notwithstanding, all of this, Kiran's approach is the right one for
> this draft at the moment. That is, fix the most inflammatory issues
> first; pick up a pile of nits along the way; reduce the text to only
> that which is necessary (work in progress); and then come up with
> something we can debate a bit more clearly.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teas-ns-dt <teas-ns-dt-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Kiran
> Makhijani
> Sent: 28 October 2020 15:33
> To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG
> <teas@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Teas-ns-dt] New Version Notification for draft-nsdt-
> teas-ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
>=20
> Hi Med,
> Well! while working on this major revision authors did not feel that
> primary scope need to be adjusted. Although a lot of re-write has
> happened.
> Deflating the tension with naming and addressing major comments
> were the first steps.
>=20
> Our proposed definition has 2 parts, first one is connectivity
> (because we concern with network specific characteristics) and
> second is meeting service specific requirements, which allows
> consumer to specify its application/service needs. One could extend
> those objectives if they can be well-described through NBI and are
> feasible in the realized network.
>=20
> I still do not know what is that "something else" you are alluding
> to?
> Terminology document should be very clear so it will be good to know
> what other things you have in mind that have been overlooked.
>=20
> You are also asking whether required attributes to characterize an
> IETF network slice can be used beyond slicing. Without clearly
> knowing what you want, I see them being usable in the context of
> end-to-end slice (last section before security) which is broader
> than the IETF network slice.
>=20
> Thanks
> Kiran
>=20
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 2:27 AM
> > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-dt@ietf.org;
> TEAS
> > WG <teas@ietf.org>
> > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for
> draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-
> > definition-00.txt
> >
> > Hi Kiran,
> >
> > > Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's
> misleading?
> >
> > Sure.
> >
> > Changing the name without adjusting the scope is what is
> misleading.
> > The actual description is more about connectivity which is exactly
> > what you
> had in
> > previous versions of the draft but the use of "network slice"
> suggests
> this is not
> > exclusively restricted to connectivity but can include "something
> else".
> There is
> > a disconnect if you will between the scope as described in the
> draft
> > and
> the
> > current name. This discussion is meant to hopefully clarify this.
> >
> > > and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see
> >
> > The question is whether the required attributes to characterize
> the
> connectivity
> > part of a slice can be used beyond slicing or there are attributes
> > that
> are "tied"
> > to slicing. We need to call out these exclusive attributes, if
> any.
> > This
> is
> > important from a modelling standpoint.
> >
> > > CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?
> >
> > This depends on the answer to the previous question, but from the
> > current draft, the connectivity component of an "IETF Network
> Slice"
> > can be
> expressed
> > as a CPP.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De=A0: Kiran Makhijani [mailto:kiranm@futurewei.com] Envoy=E9=A0:
> vendredi
> > > 23 octobre 2020 19:47 =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
> > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; teas- ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG
> > > <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: RE: New Version Notification for
> > > draft-nsdt-teas-ietf- network-slice-definition-00.txt
> > >
> > > Hi Med,
> > > Many thanks for reviewing the updated text.
> > >
> > > Let ask na=EFve questions on (1) Can you explain what's
> misleading?
> > > and " **specific** to slicing vs generic ones."?  How do you see
> > > CPP/7297 relates to IETF network slices?
> > >
> > > On (2) and (3): Terminology document is motivated to establish
> > > minimal common understanding independently - upon which further
> work
> > > can progress, as well as previous efforts can relate to.
> > >
> > > With that in mind, there are 2 ways to tie down RFC7297 -  we
> have
> > > applicability section in framework and appropriate text on how
> CPP
> > > applies can go there. Another option is to establish CPP
> > > relationship briefly with SLOs in section  4.1.1 to slices with
> a
> > > reference to 7297. In both cases we need your help to provide
> the right text.
> > >
> > > But that's secondary. Lets first cover (1).
> > > -Kiran
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 4:41 AM
> > > > To: Kiran Makhijani <kiranm@futurewei.com>; teas-ns-
> dt@ietf.org;
> > > TEAS
> > > > WG <teas@ietf.org>
> > > > Subject: RE: New Version Notification for
> > > > draft-nsdt-teas-ietf-network-slice-
> > > > definition-00.txt
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kiran, all,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for sharing this updated version.
> > > >
> > > > (1)
> > > >
> > > > It seems that the scope is still connectivity:
> > > >
> > > >    An IETF Network Slice is a well-defined structure of
> > > connectivity
> > > >    requirements and associated network behaviors.  IETF
> Network
> > > Slices
> > > >    are defined such that they are independent of the
> underlying
> > > >    infrastructure connectivity and technologies used.  This is
> to
> > > allow
> > > >    an IETF Network Slice consumer to describe their network
> > > connectivity
> > > >    and relevant objectives in a common format, independent of
> the
> > > >    underlying technologies used.
> > > >
> > > > Which is fine by me but the use of "network slice" is
> misleading.
> > > >
> > > > (2)
> > > >
> > > > I already made this comment during the call for adoption, but
> I
> > > don't
> > > > see it addressed in this version: It would be really cool if
> we
> > > can
> > > > identify attributes that are **specific** to slicing vs
> generic
> > > ones.
> > > > I'm particularly referring to the CPP defined in RFC7297:
> > > >
> > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > >    3.  Connectivity Provisioning Profile (CPP)
> > > >      3.1.  Customer Nodes Map
> > > >      3.2.  Scope
> > > >      3.3.  QoS Guarantees
> > > >      3.4.  Availability
> > > >      3.5.  Capacity
> > > >      3.6.  Conformance Traffic
> > > >      3.7.  Overall Traffic Guarantees
> > > >      3.8.  Traffic Isolation
> > > >      3.9.  Flow Identification
> > > >      3.10. Routing and Forwarding
> > > >      3.11. Activation Means
> > > >      3.12. Invocation Means
> > > >      3.13. Notifications
> > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > >
> > > > (3)
> > > >
> > > > Both clarifications are important to be worked out for the
> > > following reasons:
> > > > * If the "IETF Network slice" is more than connectivity, then
> its
> > > > connectivity component does not need to signal explicitly this
> is
> > > > about a "slice" because its presence in the "IETF Network
> slice"
> > > is sufficient to infer that.
> > > >
> > > > * If there are no connectivity-related attributes that are
> > > specific to
> > > > slicing, then we need to factorize and use a generic modelling
> for
> > > the
> > > > connectivity component. For example, an ABNF inspired from
> RFC7297
> > > would look like:
> > > >
> > > >    <NETWORK_SLICE> ::=3D
> > > >                  <Some_Non_Connectivity_Component> ...
> > > >                  <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ...
> > > >    <Connectivity Provisioning Component> ::=3D
> > > >
> <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE>
> > > ...
> > > >    <CONNECTIVITY_PROVISIONING_PROFILE> ::=3D
> > > >                               <Customer Nodes Map>
> > > >                               <Scope>
> > > >                               <QoS Guarantees>
> > > >                               <Availability>
> > > >                               <Capacity>
> > > >                               <Traffic Isolation>
> > > >                               <Conformance Traffic>
> > > >                               <Flow Identification>
> > > >                               <Overall Traffic Guarantees>
> > > >                               <Routing and Forwarding>
> > > >                               <Activation Means>
> > > >                               <Invocation Means>
> > > >                               <Notifications>
> > > >                               <Optional Information Element>
> ...
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Med
> > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De=A0: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Kiran
> > > > > Makhijani Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 22 octobre 2020 08:12 =C0=A0:
> > > > > teas-ns-dt@ietf.org; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org> Objet=A0: [Teas]
> FW:
> > > New
> > > > > Version Notification for
> > > > > draft-nsdt-teas- ietf-network-slice-definition-00.txt
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Teas and teas-ns-dt,
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Thanks for this answer, Joeng-dong.

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As I understand it, when SMP protection LSPs are set up they may =
=E2=80=9Cshare=E2=80=9D resources. That is, they do not compete for =
resources and so the Setup and Holding priorities don=E2=80=99t apply to =
how they interact with each other.=20

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Do the protection LSPs still compete with other LSPs?=20

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Assume a link with 1 unit of bandwidth, and 3 LSPs that want to use it. =
Two are SMP protection LSPs at setup=3Dholding=3D3, and one is a normal =
LSP at setup=3Dholding=3D6. Then the normal LSP would be pre-empted (or =
fail to set up), but the two SMP protection LSPs would be set up =
=E2=80=9Csharing=E2=80=9D the resource.

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You could use the holding priority to distinguish between the SMP =
protection LSPs. In my example you could have:

SMP protection LSP-A setup=3D3 holding=3D3

SMP protection LSP-B setup=3D3 holding=3D2

Normal LSP-C setup=3Dholding=3D6

Then, LSP-C would be pre-empted (or fail to set up) while LSP-A and =
LSP-B would be set up sharing the resource.

But when there was a need to use the protection LSPs, LSP-B would have =
priority over LSP-A.

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I think I am saying that you *could* achieve what you want using the =
exiting fields. I=E2=80=99m not actually opposed to you introducing a =
new priority field, just observing that you might not need to.

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Best,

Adrian

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From: ryoo@etri.re.kr <ryoo@etri.re.kr>=20
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Subject: RE: Re: [Teas] Preemption priority in GMPLS signaling for SMP

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Dear Adiran,

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Thank you for your email.

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When a working LSP or a protecting LSP is configured, SMP can also =
utilize the Setup and Holding priorities in the SESSION_ATTRIBUTE =
object. Once the working and protecting LSPs are all configured, SMP =
will use the preemption priority to resolve the competition for shared =
resources among multiple protecting LSPs. In SMP, the LSP that is =
preempted by a higher priority should not be torn down.=20

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Yes, 0 is the highest priority value.

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Thank you again for your interest.

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Best regards,

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Jeong-dong

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From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>

To: "'Jeong-dong Ryoo'" <ryoo@etri.re.kr>; <teas@ietf.org>; =
<teas-chairs@ietf.org>;

Cc: "'Bin Yeong Yoon'" <byyun@etri.re.kr>; "'Hejia (Jia)'" =
<hejia@huawei.com>; "'Peter Park'" <peter.park@kt.com>; "'Italo Busi'" =
<italo.busi@huawei.com>;

Sent: 2020-10-29 (=EB=AA=A9) 06:00:06 (UTC+09:00)

Subject: Re: [Teas] Preemption priority in GMPLS signaling for SMP

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Hey Jeong-dong,

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Can you clarify (for those who have not been following SMP closely) why =
existing GMPLS signaling pre-emption priorities (session attribute =
set-up and hold priorities) don=E2=80=99t provide you with what you =
need?

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In any case, I would recommend that you use the same order of ranking =
used for the set-up and hold priorities. That is, 0 is the highest =
priority. This seems to be what you are suggesting.

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Best,

Adrian

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From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Jeong-dong Ryoo
Sent: 28 October 2020 14:38
To: teas@ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf.org
Cc: Bin Yeong Yoon <byyun@etri.re.kr>; Hejia (Jia) <hejia@huawei.com>; =
Peter Park <peter.park@kt.com>; Italo Busi <italo.busi@huawei.com>
Subject: [Teas] Preemption priority in GMPLS signaling for SMP

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Dear TEAS WG,=20
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This email is to solicit your opinion on how to implement the preemption =
priority for GMPLS signaling extentions for Shared Mesh Protection, =
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04.=20
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As described in draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04, the preemption =
priority is to resolve the competition for shared resources among =
multiple protecting LSPs, when controlled by the Automatic Protection =
Switching (APS).  =20
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The authors of this draft would like to define one octet for the =
preemption priority values and state that a lower value has a higher =
priority. And the number of priority levels is up to the network =
operator. We also want to indicate the preemption priority of a =
protecting LSP in a new field, by shrinking the size of Reserved field, =
within the PROTECTION object.=20
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We would appreciate if you can provide your feedbacks on our proposal =
above.=20
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Best regards,=20
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Jeong-dong (on behalf of co-authors)=20




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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for this answer, =
Joeng-dong.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As I =
understand it, when SMP protection LSPs are set up they may =
=E2=80=9Cshare=E2=80=9D resources. That is, they do not compete for =
resources and so the Setup and Holding priorities don=E2=80=99t apply to =
how they interact with each other. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Do the =
protection LSPs still compete with other LSPs? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Assume a =
link with 1 unit of bandwidth, and 3 LSPs that want to use it. Two are =
SMP protection LSPs at setup=3Dholding=3D3, and one is a normal LSP at =
setup=3Dholding=3D6. Then the normal LSP would be pre-empted (or fail to =
set up), but the two SMP protection LSPs would be set up =
=E2=80=9Csharing=E2=80=9D the resource.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You could =
use the holding priority to distinguish between the SMP protection LSPs. =
In my example you could have:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>SMP =
protection LSP-A setup=3D3 holding=3D3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>SMP =
protection LSP-B setup=3D3 holding=3D2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Normal =
LSP-C setup=3Dholding=3D6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then, LSP-C =
would be pre-empted (or fail to set up) while LSP-A and LSP-B would be =
set up sharing the resource.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>But when =
there was a need to use the protection LSPs, LSP-B would have priority =
over LSP-A.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think I =
am saying that you *<b>could</b>* achieve what you want using the =
exiting fields. I=E2=80=99m not actually opposed to you introducing a =
new priority field, just observing that you might not need =
to.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> ryoo@etri.re.kr =
&lt;ryoo@etri.re.kr&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> 29 October 2020 =
15:26<br><b>To:</b> teas@ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf.org; =
adrian@olddog.co.uk<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Bin Yeong Yoon' =
&lt;byyun@etri.re.kr&gt;; 'Hejia (Jia)' &lt;hejia@huawei.com&gt;; 'Peter =
Park' &lt;peter.park@kt.com&gt;; 'Italo Busi' =
&lt;italo.busi@huawei.com&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [Teas] =
Preemption priority in GMPLS signaling for =
SMP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dear =
Adiran,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you for your email.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>When a working LSP or a protecting LSP is configured, =
SMP can also utilize the Setup and Holding priorities in the =
SESSION_ATTRIBUTE object. Once the working and protecting LSPs are all =
configured, SMP will use the preemption priority to resolve the =
competition for shared resources among multiple protecting LSPs. In SMP, =
the LSP that is preempted by a higher priority should not be torn =
down.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Yes, 0 is the highest priority =
value.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thank you again for your =
interest.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jeong-dong<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>From: &quot;Adrian Farrel&quot; =
&lt;adrian@olddog.co.uk&gt;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>To: &quot;'Jeong-dong Ryoo'&quot; =
&lt;ryoo@etri.re.kr&gt;; &lt;teas@ietf.org&gt;; =
&lt;teas-chairs@ietf.org&gt;;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cc: &quot;'Bin Yeong Yoon'&quot; =
&lt;byyun@etri.re.kr&gt;; &quot;'Hejia (Jia)'&quot; =
&lt;hejia@huawei.com&gt;; &quot;'Peter Park'&quot; =
&lt;peter.park@kt.com&gt;; &quot;'Italo Busi'&quot; =
&lt;italo.busi@huawei.com&gt;;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent: 2020-10-29 (<span style=3D'font-family:"Malgun =
Gothic",sans-serif'>=EB=AA=A9</span>) 06:00:06 =
(UTC+09:00)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Subject: Re: =
[Teas] Preemption priority in GMPLS signaling for =
SMP<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hey =
Jeong-dong,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span=
 style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Can you clarify (for those who =
have not been following SMP closely) why existing GMPLS signaling =
pre-emption priorities (session attribute set-up and hold priorities) =
don=E2=80=99t provide you with what you =
need?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span=
 style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In any case, I would recommend =
that you use the same order of ranking used for the set-up and hold =
priorities. That is, 0 is the highest priority. This seems to be what =
you are suggesting.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span=
 =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Adrian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span=
 =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span=
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style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span=
 style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p><strong><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong><span =
lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;Teas &lt;teas-bounces@ietf.org&gt; <strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Behalf =
Of&nbsp;</span></strong>Jeong-dong Ryoo<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> 28 =
October 2020 14:38<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> =
teas@ietf.org; teas-chairs@ietf.org<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cc:</span></strong> Bin Yeong =
Yoon &lt;byyun@etri.re.kr&gt;; Hejia (Jia) &lt;hejia@huawei.com&gt;; =
Peter Park &lt;peter.park@kt.com&gt;; Italo Busi =
&lt;italo.busi@huawei.com&gt;<br><strong><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> =
[Teas] Preemption priority in GMPLS signaling for =
SMP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Meiryo",sans-serif;color:black;bac=
kground:white'>Dear TEAS WG,&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Meiryo",sans-serif;color:black'><b=
r><span style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>This email is to solicit your opinion on how =
to implement the preemption priority for GMPLS signaling extentions for =
Shared Mesh Protection, =
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04.&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>As described in =
draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-04, the preemption priority is to =
resolve the competition for shared resources among multiple protecting =
LSPs, when controlled by the Automatic Protection Switching (APS). =
&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>The authors of this draft would like to =
define one octet for the preemption priority values and state that a =
lower value has a higher priority. And the number of priority levels is =
up to the network operator. We also want to indicate the preemption =
priority of a protecting LSP in a new field, by shrinking the size of =
Reserved field, within the PROTECTION object.&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>We would appreciate if you can provide your =
feedbacks on our proposal above.&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>Best regards,&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>&nbsp;</span><br><span =
style=3D'background:white'>Jeong-dong (on behalf of =
co-authors)&nbsp;</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><table =
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