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May 9 11:44:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB01120158; Thu, 9 May 2019 11:43:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF-Announce" Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155742743984.24620.17815891197058099799@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 11:43:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (teep) WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-05-17 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 18:44:00 -0000 The Trusted Execution Environment 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Agenda: 1) Go through https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues (issues filed against draft-ietf-teep-architecture) 2) For issue #13, Brendan Moran will give a presentation on the SUIT Manifest, as was proposed during the Prague TEEP meeting. Information about remote participation: Webex information will be posted to the TEEP mailing list. 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--_000_BN6PR21MB0497D8F8C94435B2F6463D61A3080BN6PR21MB0497namp_-- From nobody Tue May 14 17:47:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A36C1201D8; Tue, 14 May 2019 17:47:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: teep@ietf.org, kaduk@mit.edu, dthaler@microsoft.com, teep-chairs@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155788122203.30114.7877682072754082815.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 17:47:02 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] teep - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 105 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 00:47:02 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Dave Thaler, a Chair of the teep working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Dave Thaler Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mile core ace sacm t2trg suit oauth rats Second Priority: tls saag v6ops 6man intarea anima Third Priority: doh dots People who must be present: Dave Thaler Nancy Cam-Winget Hannes Tschofenig Mingliang Pei Benjamin Kaduk David M. Wheeler Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed May 15 18:31:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DC3120041; Wed, 15 May 2019 18:31:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.96.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <155797029123.30673.11399071669371856245@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 18:31:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teep-opentrustprotocol-03.txt X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 01:31:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : The Open Trust Protocol (OTrP) Authors : Mingliang Pei Andrew Atyeo Nick Cook Minho Yoo Hannes Tschofenig Filename : draft-ietf-teep-opentrustprotocol-03.txt Pages : 111 Date : 2019-05-15 Abstract: This document specifies the Open Trust Protocol (OTrP), a protocol that follows the Trust Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) architecture and provides a message protocol that provisions and manages Trusted Applications into a device with a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reminder, WebEx info at bottom. 1. Agenda bashing, Logistics -- Chairs (5 mins) https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-teep-01/sessi= on/teep Notes: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.or= g/p/teep-20190517 1. draft-ietf<= https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-architecture>-teep-architecture= issues https://github.com/ietf-teep/archit= ecture/issues 1. SUIT Manifest introduction - Brendan Moran https= ://tools.ietf.org/ht= ml/draft-moran-suit-manifest 1. AOB Here's the connection info for our upcoming interim meeting. 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  1. draft-ietf<= /a>-te= ep-architecture issues

   &nbs= p;           https://github.com/i= etf-teep/architecture/issues

  1. SUI= T Manifest introduction – Brendan Moran

   &nbs= p;           https= ://to= ols.ietf.org/html/draft-moran-suit-manifest

  1. AOB=

 

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[77.146.131.25]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t6sm9003697wmt.8.2019.05.17.09.55.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2019 09:55:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Dave Thaler , teep References: From: Anders Rundgren Message-ID: <83abbadf-48cd-deab-6938-e217d72221cb@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 18:55:37 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] Friday interim WebEx info X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 16:55:45 -0000 We ran out of time for the GitHub issues but that's OK. However, it would be cool to get a comment or two on https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues/52 which among many things would eliminate quirky protocol constructs like: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-opentrustprotocol-02 "The top element "[Signed][Request|Response]" cannot be fully trusted to match the content because it doesn't participate in the signature generation. However, a recipient can always match it with the value associated with the property "payload". It purely serves to provide a quick reference for reading and method invocation" Using attested sessions and MAC-protected APIs, secure management protocols potentially get considerably cleaner while the CBOR versus JSON issue is moved out of the TEE space. Note: this proposal is not related to my earlier suggestion to use JSON canonicalization (KeyGen2 nowadays also only relies on session key based security). Yes, anything along these lines would indeed be a major revision... Thanx, Anders On 2019-05-17 16:52, Dave Thaler wrote: > Reminder, WebEx info at bottom. > > 1. Agenda bashing, Logistics -- Chairs (5 mins) > > https:// datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2019-teep-01/session/teep > > Notes: https :// etherpad.tools..ietf.org/p/teep-20190517 > > 2. draft- ietf -teep-architecture issues > > https :// github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues > > 2. SUIT Manifest introduction Brendan Moran > > https :// tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moran-suit-manifest > > 2. AOB > > Heres the connection info for our upcoming interim meeting. > > (Friday May 17, 8am PDT / 5pm CEST) > > JOIN WEBEX MEETING > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mf6f92a266d315cea4b535f7bee713e62 > > Meeting number (access code): 643 407 490 > > Meeting password: cPHTG3MM > > JOIN BY PHONE > > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > > Tap here to call (mobile phones only, hosts not supported): tel:%2B1-650-479-3208,,*01*643407490%23%23*01* > > Can't join the meeting? Contact support here: > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/mc > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > TEEP mailing list > TEEP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep > From fatima-zahra.saghir@cea.fr Fri May 24 00:06:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B9D12004E for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 00:06:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 35e-djtp0h8I for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 00:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E200D120221 for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 00:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id x4O76CqI077674 for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 09:06:12 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A31920308E for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 09:06:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22BE202ECA for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 09:06:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCAH-B1.intra.cea.fr (excah-b1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.86]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id x4O76Bj7022534 for ; Fri, 24 May 2019 09:06:11 +0200 Received: from EXDAG0-A1.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::ac4c:b0e6:f68e:69cf]) by EXCAH-B1.intra.cea.fr ([fe80::b4bb:7f38:ea87:b760%11]) with mapi id 14.03.0439.000; Fri, 24 May 2019 09:06:11 +0200 From: SAGHIR Fatima-Zahra To: "teep@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [OTrP] ocsp stapling data format Thread-Index: AdUR/uJf22JlXLXvRMGlkNhSbkpYEQ== Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 07:06:11 +0000 Message-ID: <2CD1AF639A4FF142A3E7DF9E374EFA6EF61D65@EXDAG0-A1.intra.cea.fr> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [132.166.88.109] x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.4179-8.100.1062-23234.003 x-tm-as-result: No--3.782200-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2CD1AF639A4FF142A3E7DF9E374EFA6EF61D65EXDAG0A1intraceaf_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 May 2019 06:40:58 -0700 Subject: [Teep] [OTrP] ocsp stapling data format X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 07:08:32 -0000 --_000_2CD1AF639A4FF142A3E7DF9E374EFA6EF61D65EXDAG0A1intraceaf_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I am implementing the server side of the OTrP protocol amd I am facing the = problem on how to send the OCSP stapling data to the client. That is, in what forma= t should I send them. In the OTrP protocol the field "ocspdat" of GetDevice= StateTBSRequest seems that it is a list of strings, but OCSP data for each = CA certificate is a struct with various fields (tbsResponseData, signatureA= lgorithm, signature and the certs). Should it be a json with this various f= ields? Best, Fatima Zahra Saghir --_000_2CD1AF639A4FF142A3E7DF9E374EFA6EF61D65EXDAG0A1intraceaf_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

I am implementing the server side of the OTrP protocol amd I am facing= the problem
on how to send the OCSP stapling data to the client. That is, in what = format should I send them. In the OTrP protocol the field "ocspdat&quo= t; of GetDeviceStateTBSRequest seems that it is a list of strings, but OCSP= data for each CA certificate is a struct with various fields (tbsResponseData, signatureAlgorithm, signature and th= e certs). Should it be a json with this various fields?

Best,

Fatima Zahra Saghir
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The IoT market has adopted CBOR rather than JSON. Is the plan to later revive something along the lines of: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-liu-opentrustprotocol-cbor-00.txt ? OTrP over HTTP for the client-centric (constrained devices, mobile phones) world and the "Cloud" are considered identical. I don't fully understand how that is intended to work: https://github.com/ietf-teep/OTrP/issues/14 Maybe I'm simply missing some vital information? Best regards, Anders On 2019-05-28 01:11, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: > Hi, > > At the IETF 104 TEEP session, we discussed the need to transport the OTrP messages and Dave has drafted a document to specify HTTPs as a transport. > > This begins a 2 week period to determine interest in adopting this draft as a working group item.  The poll will close on June 10th EOD PDT. > > The draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http/ > > Minutes from IETF 104: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-104-rats/ > > Warm regards, > >                 Nancy > > > _______________________________________________ > TEEP mailing list > TEEP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep > From nobody Tue May 28 04:45:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4600712013C for ; Tue, 28 May 2019 04:45:23 -0700 (PDT) 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[77.146.131.25]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id i32sm8871148wri.23.2019.05.28.12.06.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 28 May 2019 12:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Anders Rundgren To: Hannes Tschofenig , "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "teep@ietf.org" References: <246ce79a-75a6-4e4d-d76a-2b54eb71cf75@gmail.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 21:06:11 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] Call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 19:06:20 -0000 On 2019-05-28 13:45, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Hi Anders, Hi Hannes, > > We talked about the use of CBOR for OTrP in the past and I believe it would be a useful addition to cover some IoT segments. > However, we have so far been busy working on the architecture and therefore had not time to work on these details. As an independent developer who [fortunately...] do not have existing deployments or GlobalPlatform compatibility to worry about, I see three alternatives: - Status quo: Duplication like in the current EAT spec. (which from a pure engineering point of view doesn't feel overly cool). - Moderate revision: Using CBOR as the common denominator since any system can deal with CBOR. - Major revision: Decoupling OTrP formats from TEEP through an enhanced architecture as outlined on GitHub. > I am not sure I understand the second part of your question. I imagined that a common "Cloud" use-case would be *upload* of customer-written TAs using the traditional client-server/request-response model which doesn't seem to be covered by the current draft. Note: I only want to get the options on the table and leave adoption decisions to others :-) Cheers, Anders > > Ciao > Hannes > > -----Original Message----- > From: TEEP On Behalf Of Anders Rundgren > Sent: Dienstag, 28. Mai 2019 07:42 > To: Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) ; teep@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teep] Call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http > > Hi Nancy & Co, > I have a couple of related questions. > > The IoT market has adopted CBOR rather than JSON. Is the plan to later revive something along the lines of: > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-liu-opentrustprotocol-cbor-00.txt ? > > OTrP over HTTP for the client-centric (constrained devices, mobile phones) world and the "Cloud" are considered identical. I don't fully understand how that is intended to work: > https://github.com/ietf-teep/OTrP/issues/14 > Maybe I'm simply missing some vital information? > > Best regards, > Anders > > On 2019-05-28 01:11, Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> At the IETF 104 TEEP session, we discussed the need to transport the OTrP messages and Dave has drafted a document to specify HTTPs as a transport. >> >> This begins a 2 week period to determine interest in adopting this draft as a working group item. The poll will close on June 10th EOD PDT. >> >> The draft is: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http/ >> >> Minutes from IETF 104: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-104-rats/ >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Nancy >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TEEP mailing list >> TEEP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep >> > > _______________________________________________ > TEEP mailing list > TEEP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teep > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. 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multipart/alternative; boundary="5ceebdef_6b8b4567_11234" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] Call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 17:14:47 -0000 --5ceebdef_6b8b4567_11234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:59 AM To: Hannes Tschofenig; Dave Thaler= ; Anders Rundgren; Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing); teep=40ietf.org Subject: = RE: =5BTeep=5D Call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http Based on our IoT customer base we currently know that JSON is the only on= e used today. That said I agree with Hannes that we should consider CBOR = as well but I think we can adopt the draft as it is and maybe later add C= BOR support. I am looking mainly at the industrial markets we serve many = use JSON but I am looking from the storage users perspective so I cannot = attest that they don=E2=80=99t use neither. In summary I will adopt the d= raft as it is. Thanks ./Sorin =46rom: TEEPOn Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig Sent:= Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:35 AM To: Dave Thaler; Anders Rundgren; Nancy= Cam-Winget (ncamwing); teep=40ietf.org Subject: Re: =5BTeep=5D Call for = adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http =5BEXTERNAL EMAIL=5D =E2=80=A2 The IoT market has adopted CBOR rather than JSON. =E2=80=A2 That=E2=80=99s a bit overstated, =E2=80=9CIoT=E2=80=9D is very = broad and hence there are =5Fmany=5F IoT =E2=80=9Cmarkets=E2=80=9D, and m= any of them have not adopted CBOR. =46or example, if you look in industri= al IoT, the dominant protocol is OPC UA, which uses neither CBOR nor JSON= . In consumer IoT like in devices on shelves now, I think you will find t= hat JSON is far more deployed than CBOR is (e.g., Hue light bulbs and man= y other IoT devices use JSON-over-HTTP). It is true that some of the IoT = market has adopted CBOR.=46or example, OC=46 adopted CBOR, but OC=46 has = very little actual deployment today. I agree with Dave here. I think it is fair to say that the JWT has been i= mplement and deployed by the Web community. Particularly in the OAuth con= text it is widely deployed. CBOR has been suggested for IoT-related specifications but CBOR, COSE and= CWT is definitely not widely implement and even less widely used. The question I wonder is whether the current deployment status matters in= our case and I don=E2=80=99t think it has any relationship to the call f= or adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http. When the initial version of OTrP was written there was the assumption tha= t the encoding of the protocol in JSON would be more convenient for Web d= evelopers given that the main deployment use case was for mobile phones a= nd tablets. Now, there is of course the question whether Web developers should be exp= osed to the details and the encoding of the OTrP protocol itself. I think= that=E2=80=99s an important question. Afterall, we are trying to make th= e life of developers simpler with this work. Since the formation of the TEEP group we have also added other use cases = extending our original goals for OTrP. This makes me believe that it is w= orthwhile to look into a CBOR-based encoding as well. I also would like t= o take advance of ongoing working work in SUIT&RATS. Ciao Hannes IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are conf= idential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipien= t, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents = to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the informa= tion in any medium. Thank you. --5ceebdef_6b8b4567_11234 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:59 AM=E2=80=A8To: Hannes Tschofenig; Dav= e Thaler; Anders Rundgren; Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing); teep=40ietf.org=E2= =80=A8Subject: RE: =5BTeep=5D Call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp= -over-http
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Based on our IoT customer base we currently know = that JSON is the only one used today. That said I agree with Hannes that = we should consider CBOR as well but I think we can adopt the draft as it = is and maybe later add CBOR support. I am looking mainly at the industria= l markets we serve many use JSON but I am looking from the storage users = perspective so I cannot attest that they don=E2=80=99t use neither. In su= mmary I will adopt the draft as it is. Thanks
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=46rom: TEEP <teep-bounces=40ietf.org> On Behalf Of H= annes Tschofenig=E2=80=A8Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:35 AM=E2=80=A8T= o: Dave Thaler; Anders Rundgren; Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing); teep=40ietf= .org=E2=80=A8Subject: Re: =5BTeep=5D Call for adoption of draft-thaler-te= ep-otrp-over-http
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=E2=80=A2 The IoT= market has adopted CBOR rather than JSON.
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=E2=80=A2 That=E2= =80=99s a bit overstated, =E2=80=9CIoT=E2=80=9D is very broad and hence t= here are =5Fmany=5F IoT =E2=80=9Cmarkets=E2=80=9D, and many of them have = not adopted CBOR. =46or example, if you look in industrial IoT, the domin= ant protocol is OPC UA, which uses neither CBOR nor JSON. In consumer IoT= like in devices on shelves now, I think you will find that JSON is far m= ore deployed than CBOR is (e.g., Hue light bulbs and many other IoT devic= es use JSON-over-HTTP). It is true that some of the IoT market has adopte= d CBOR.=C2=A0 =46or example, OC=46 adopted CBOR, but OC=46 has very littl= e actual deployment today.
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I agree with Dave here. I think i= t is fair to say that the JWT has been implement and deployed by the Web = community. Particularly in the OAuth context it is widely deployed.
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CBOR has been suggested for IoT-related specifications but CBOR, C= OSE and CWT is definitely not widely implement and even less widely used.=
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The question I wonder is whether the current deployment sta= tus matters in our case and I don=E2=80=99t think it has any relationship= to the call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http.
When th= e initial version of OTrP was written there was the assumption that the e= ncoding of the protocol in JSON would be more convenient for Web develope= rs given that the main deployment use case was for mobile phones and tabl= ets.
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Now, there is of course the question whether Web develo= pers should be exposed to the details and the encoding of the OTrP protoc= ol itself. I think that=E2=80=99s an important question. Afterall, we are= trying to make the life of developers simpler with this work.
=C2=A0<= br>Since the formation of the TEEP group we have also added other use cas= es extending our original goals for OTrP. This makes me believe that it i= s worthwhile to look into a CBOR-based encoding as well. I also would lik= e to take advance of ongoing working work in SUIT & RATS.
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[77.146.131.25]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b5sm429185wrx.22.2019.05.29.11.39.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 29 May 2019 11:39:30 -0700 (PDT) To: "Wheeler, David M" , Hannes Tschofenig , Dave Thaler , "Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)" , "teep@ietf.org" References: <246ce79a-75a6-4e4d-d76a-2b54eb71cf75@gmail.com> <0627F5240443D2498FAA65332EE46C843B74679C@CRSMSX102.amr.corp.intel.com> From: Anders Rundgren Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:39:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0627F5240443D2498FAA65332EE46C843B74679C@CRSMSX102.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] Call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 18:39:36 -0000 Hi David, Since you mention the unfinished architecture document, have you seen https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues/52#issuecomment-493652265 ? This is about creating a *unified* (JSON/CBOR independent) TEE management API. Ten years ago I had something similar to OTrP but felt it was becoming "clunky" and limiting, so I threw it out and haven't regretted it a second. The switch wasn't that difficult after getting the core mechanics in place. Much later when I was forced switching protocol format from XML to JSON, *not a single bit* changed in the API. Regards, Anders On 2019-05-29 16:43, Wheeler, David M wrote: > I am more in favor of a CBOR/CWT binding than JSON, although I agree that JSON and JWT is more commonly deployed at the moment. > > The direction I think we should push this is toward CBOR. However, I think that it is fine to build JSON into the OTrP protocol spec and then have an alternative specification that provides CBOR bindings – I would be willing to work with Anders on a such a specification (after the arch document is complete 😉 ). > > Thanks, > > Dave Wheeler > > *From:* TEEP *On Behalf Of *Hannes Tschofenig > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 29, 2019 7:35 AM > *To:* Dave Thaler ; Anders Rundgren ; Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing) ; teep@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Teep] Call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http > > * The IoT market has adopted CBOR rather than JSON. > > * That’s a bit overstated, “IoT” is very broad and hence there are _/many/_ IoT “markets”, and many of them have not adopted CBOR. For example, if you look in industrial IoT, the dominant protocol is OPC UA, which uses neither CBOR nor JSON. In consumer IoT like in devices on shelves now, I think you will find that JSON is far more deployed than CBOR is (e.g., Hue light bulbs and many other IoT devices use JSON-over-HTTP). It is true that /some/ of the IoT market has adopted CBOR.  For example, OCF adopted CBOR, but OCF has very little actual deployment today. > > I agree with Dave here. I think it is fair to say that the JWT has been implement and deployed by the Web community. Particularly in the OAuth context it is widely deployed. > > CBOR has been suggested for IoT-related specifications but CBOR, COSE and CWT is definitely not widely implement and even less widely used. > > The question I wonder is whether the current deployment status matters in our case and I don’t think it has any relationship to the call for adoption of draft-thaler-teep-otrp-over-http. > > When the initial version of OTrP was written there was the assumption that the encoding of the protocol in JSON would be more convenient for Web developers given that the main deployment use case was for mobile phones and tablets. > > Now, there is of course the question whether Web developers should be exposed to the details and the encoding of the OTrP protocol itself. I think that’s an important question. Afterall, we are trying to make the life of developers simpler with this work. > > Since the formation of the TEEP group we have also added other use cases extending our original goals for OTrP. This makes me believe that it is worthwhile to look into a CBOR-based encoding as well. I also would like to take advance of ongoing working work in SUIT & RATS. > > Ciao > Hannes > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. 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[77.146.131.25]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x22sm5367049wmi.4.2019.05.30.23.18.42 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 30 May 2019 23:18:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "teep@ietf.org" From: Anders Rundgren Message-ID: <004749c6-2123-b811-0747-f7f073c8afa4@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 08:18:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] Closed issue: Unified TEE Management API X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 06:18:48 -0000 Hi TEEP, I hope nobody minds the slightly ironic close comment: https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues/52#issuecomment-497586461 thanx, Anders