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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Architecture
        Authors         : Mingliang Pei
                          Hannes Tschofenig
                          David Wheeler
                          Andrew Atyeo
                          Liu Dapeng
	Filename        : draft-ietf-teep-architecture-04.txt
	Pages           : 28
	Date            : 2019-12-06

Abstract:
   A Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is an environment that enforces
   that only authorized code can execute with that environment, and that
   any data used by such code cannot be read or tampered with by any
   code outside that environment.  This architecture document motivates
   the design and standardization of a protocol for managing the
   lifecycle of trusted applications running inside a TEE.


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I prepared -05 based on a review. I created 16 PRs to address my review com=
ments and provided text proposals. Those PRs can easily be incorporated int=
o the document, see https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/pulls

Two issues, https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues/107 and https:=
//github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues/108, are relatively minor but I =
didn't know what text I should provide.

IMHO the architecture document is in very good shape already.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Two issues, <a href=3D"https://github.com/ietf-teep/=
architecture/issues/107">
https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues/107</a> and <a href=3D"htt=
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https://github.com/ietf-teep/architecture/issues/108</a>, are relatively mi=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">IMHO the architecture document is in very good shape=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ciao<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hannes<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi Michael, Hi Akira,

The goals for the participants are likely going to be different with each o=
f the involved groups. A Hackathon does not necessarily imply that we only =
focus on interoperability tests but also to get concepts evaluated. IMHO it=
 makes sense to re-use some common building blocks for our TEEP protocol ev=
aluations.

Ciao
Hannes

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On 2019/11/28 16:18, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> Akira Tsukamoto <akira.tsukamoto@gmail.com> wrote:
>      > For the further discussion for the future hackathon, I searched
>      > information of Grapeboard and STM32MP157C-DK2 (which is STM Cortex=
A7
>      > devboard, I will abbreviate as StmA7board).
>
>      > It is not mandatory but it would be nice to have/use unified
>      > programing software stacks for the TEEP development on both TAM an=
d
>      > TEEP device.
>
> I will admit that I'm struggling a bit to understand the value of an
> interop hackathon where everyone is using the same software.  I see
> the point for a tutorial on a particular stack.  (I also come at this
> from the RATS point of view, of soft TPMs running in TEEs, and also
> TEEs attesting to relying parties rather than other TEE applications)
>
> I also see a point in helping people who are building other components
> in the ecosystem to learn how to bring up the things that they are
> intending to interoperate with.

Of course, it would be more beneficial to have variety of hardware and soft=
ware working and ready for interop testing.

At the moment, I really do not have both otrp and teep protocol over http b=
etween TAM side and device side implemented on the real device, at least at=
 my place. We are still in the middle of developing it.

It would make me helpful to have some kind of consolidation to get to the p=
oint of having working code and reflect the learning to the draft.

And then start porting to their software stacks and devices and having vari=
ety of hardware and software would be really nice.

The objective is the same, I just was thinking of one step forward of curre=
nt situation.

>
>      > *) JSON stack:
>      > (1) jansson, which Dave is using
>      > https://github.com/akheron/jansson
>      > (2) node.js, Isobe-san`s TAM
>      > (3) json parser in libwebsockets, which my prototype is using
>      > https://github.com/warmcat/libwebsockets/tree/master/lib/jose
>
>      > *) JOSE stack:
>      > (1) latchset/jose, which Dave is using
>      > https://github.com/latchset/jose
>      > (2) node.js?, Isobe-san`s TAM
>      > (3) libwebsockets
>
>      > *) HTTP stack:
>      > (1) from scratch?, In Dave`s
>      > https://github.com/dthaler/OTrP/blob/master/TeepTamBrokerLib/HttpS=
erver.cpp
>      > (2) libwebsockets, In mine
>
>      > *) Crypto-tsl stack:
>      > (1) openssl, Dave`s
>      > (2) mbedtls, mine
>      > Other than above, might good to use smaller libs, wolfSSL or s2n o=
n
>      > the device side?
>
>      > *) rootfs
>      > (1) Ubuntu?, Dave`s
>      > (2) buildroot, mine
>
> This is a wide variety of options, and this is great!
> I think that many these are TAM code though?

Yes, it is great.
My prototype device is on ARM board using op-tee.
It is able to install and delete TA on the device with my own TAM but the m=
essage format is not compliant yet.
Do not use the strings written in the draft yet.

At the IETF 106 hackathon, it was my first time to try connecting to the Da=
ve's TAM and Isobe-san's TAM.
While I was tweaking the otrp message, I end up most of the time fixing the=
 http and json parser which is working underneath.

This is the reason I thought it will be good to focus on consolidate and no=
t have to much fragmentation of developing effort.

>
>      > The default rootfs of dev boards introduced by Dave and Hannes.
>      > *) Grapeboard
>      > Ubuntu, customizable to Yocto/OE, OpenWRT and etc
>      > *) StmA7board
>      > Yocto/OE (OpenSTLinux)
>
>      > Also, we have to consider the hardware requirements of SGX, ARM
>      > TrustZone and RISC-V too.
>      > The SGX is pretty handy since it could use simulation mode on any =
pc.
>      > The op-tee is able to run on qemu too.
>
> op-tee seems like it should be a default tutorial choice.

I prefer having reference of all sgx, optee and others but starting from on=
e by one.

-Akira

>
>      > I honestly do not have any preference listed above. I was late on =
the
>      > boat and did not know what others have done in the past.
>
>      > We do not have so much engineering resources at the moment, so I
>      > thought it would be good to work on similar environment as possibl=
e to
>      > able to focus on teep stack.
>
> I guess it is this last part which caused me to reply and comment above.
> I think that we need to also consider that we might want to figure out
> the different roles and make a table that way.
>
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Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:
    > The goals for the participants are likely going to be different with
    > each of the involved groups. A Hackathon does not necessarily imply
    > that we only focus on interoperability tests but also to get concepts
    > evaluated. IMHO it makes sense to re-use some common building blocks
    > for our TEEP protocol evaluations.

I am not really complaining about having common hardware, btw!!!

I'm just saying that I think we need to be a bit clearer about how different
groups might have different goals, so let's be clear about the differences.

If we are trying to push the envelope for certain aspects, then I think it is
useful to be up-front about those goals.

I'm glad we are specing the hardware now, as I think that a few people will
want to "hit the ground running"

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Hi all,

This message starts a Work Group Last Call (WGLC) for TEEP architecture.  T=
he version to be reviewed is https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-ar=
chitecture-05

The WGLC will last for 4 weeks and will end on 20 January 2020.

Please send your comments to the list before this date and your assessment =
of whether or not it is ready to proceed to publication.

Regards,
Tiru & Nancy

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This message starts a Work Group Last Call (WGLC) fo=
r TEEP architecture. &nbsp;The version to be reviewed is
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-architecture-05">htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-architecture-05</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The WGLC will last for 4 weeks and will end on 20 Ja=
nuary 2020.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please send your comments to the list before this da=
te and your assessment of whether or not it is ready to proceed to publicat=
ion.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Tiru &amp; Nancy<o:p></o:p></p>
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