From nobody Thu Jul 2 16:02:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BC53A0C9A; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 16:02:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.7.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <159373094229.18562.45673133732184582@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 16:02:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teep-architecture-11.txt X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 23:02:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Architecture Authors : Mingliang Pei Hannes Tschofenig Dave Thaler David Wheeler Filename : draft-ietf-teep-architecture-11.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2020-07-02 Abstract: A Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is an environment that enforces that any code within that environment cannot be tampered with, and that any data used by such code cannot be read or tampered with by any code outside that environment. This architecture document motivates the design and standardization of a protocol for managing the lifecycle of trusted applications running inside such a TEE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teep-architecture/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-architecture-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teep-architecture-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teep-architecture-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jul 2 17:22:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE67F3A09F8; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:20:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: kaduk@mit.edu, teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.7.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159373563375.30173.13871343771662548186@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:20:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] teep - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 108 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:20:43 -0000 Dear Nancy Cam-Winget, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. teep Session 1 (1:40 requested) Monday, 27 July 2020, Session I 1100-1240 Room Name: Room 5 size: 5 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/sessions/teep.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Nancy Cam-Winget Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 100 Minutes Number of Attendees: 40 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: tls dots sfc add dprive opsawg rats mile masque opsec Technology Overlap: cose Key Participant Conflict: intarea v6ops 6man oauth suit People who must be present: Nancy Cam-Winget Tirumaleswar Reddy.K Benjamin Kaduk Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Jul 2 23:00:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A00F3A052C; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 23:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jFBFRtKDg1mz; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ED143A0D12; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 23:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.112] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49yk6Q3JsqzyTZ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:29:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 615446958.354246-561ce5a163472f83e03dc0abcde6b9d0 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-Id: <94B927FA-0F6F-4F82-877E-9C115B045A79@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:29:18 +0200 To: suit@ietf.org, teep@ietf.org, din@irtf.org, rats@ietf.org, lake@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF108: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 06:00:17 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the FINAL AGENDA for IETF108. Remember that, occasionally, further agenda changes do happen. There has been no change from the DRAFT AGENDA in the Conflicts I noted: LAKE/SUIT (!). ACE/RATS. (I think 6LO/COSE can be ignored.) The only significant change is that LAKE/SUIT/LOOPS has been exchanged with CORE/TLS/TSVWG (Tuesday 1410Z vs. Friday 1100Z). Also, the mysterious HACKATHON has vanished. All times appear to be in UTC, even though nothing says so in the text agenda; https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc gives the same times. This time, I have focused on the events in Week 31; please see the original agenda for Week 30 preliminaries. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten MONDAY, July 27, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 1 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Rm 2 IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments Research = Group Rm 5 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 2 ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance = and Extensions WG Rm 3 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Rm 6 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Rm 7 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG 1410-1550 Session III Rm 1 ART webtrans WebTransport WG Rm 3 IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Research Group Rm 7 SEC gnap Grant Negotiation and Authorization Protocol WG TUESDAY, July 28, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 1 ART *** asdf A Semantic Definition Format for Data and = Interactions of Things BOF Rm 2 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 3 IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Rm 8 TSV masque Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC = Encryption WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 7 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG 1410-1550 Session III Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 6 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Rm 7 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG WEDNESDAY, July 29, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 4 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Rm 5 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for Constrained = Environments WG Rm 6 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Rm 7 TSV quic QUIC WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 1 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes = WG Rm 4 RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Rm 5 SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG Rm 6 TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1410-1550 IETF Plenary - Plenary THURSDAY, July 30, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 3 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and = Approach WG Rm 4 RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless WG Rm 5 SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Rm 6 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 4 INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG Rm 7 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1410-1550 Session III Rm 2 INT add Adaptive DNS Discovery WG Rm 3 INT *** drip Drone Remote ID Protocol WG Rm 6 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management Environment WG FRIDAY, July 31, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 5 SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange WG Rm 6 SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things WG Rm 7 TSV loops Local Optimizations on Path Segments BOF 1300-1350 Session II Rm 3 ART wpack Web Packaging WG Rm 4 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 6 SEC emu EAP Method Update WG 1410-1550 Session III Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 4 IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Research Group Rm 7 SEC privacypass Privacy Pass WG From nobody Mon Jul 6 14:05:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305273A0AD5 for ; 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Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:56:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.8.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <159468097129.29604.3281283597781863178@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:56:11 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teep-architecture-12.txt X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:56:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Architecture Authors : Mingliang Pei Hannes Tschofenig Dave Thaler David Wheeler Filename : draft-ietf-teep-architecture-12.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2020-07-13 Abstract: A Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is an environment that enforces that any code within that environment cannot be tampered with, and that any data used by such code cannot be read or tampered with by any code outside that environment. This architecture document motivates the design and standardization of a protocol for managing the lifecycle of trusted applications running inside such a TEE. 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This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Protocol Authors : Hannes Tschofenig Mingliang Pei David Wheeler Dave Thaler Akira Tsukamoto Filename : draft-ietf-teep-protocol-03.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2020-07-13 Abstract: This document specifies a protocol that installs, updates, and deletes Trusted Applications (TAs) in a device with a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). This specification defines an interoperable protocol for managing the lifecycle of TAs. The protocol name is pronounced teepee. This conjures an image of a wedge-shaped protective covering for one's belongings, which sort of matches the intent of this protocol. 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Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000ef646105aa992f02" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] Review of draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-06 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:36:39 -0000 --000000000000ef646105aa992f02 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e94c9c05aa992fbc" --000000000000e94c9c05aa992fbc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Dave. Please see replies inline. Ming On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 6:02 PM Dave Thaler wrote: > Thanks Ming for the review! I entered your feedback as > > https://github.com/ietf-teep/otrp-over-http/issues/16 > > and made changes to the doc that you can review at > > * https://github.com/ietf-teep/otrp-over-http/pull/17 > > * https://github.com/ietf-teep/otrp-over-http/pull/18 > > > > Responses below: > > > > > 1) Abstract section says "is used to manage code and configuration data" > > > > > > Should it just say manage "Trusted Applications" as this can > > > assume the context defined in TEEP architecture and TEEP protocol > > > document. > > > > No. TEEP can also be used to manage code that isn't a "TA" per se. > > For example, it could also be used to update OP-TEE (or any other TEE > "OS"). > MP: Non-TA code management is out of scope for TEEP. TEEP architecture doc only targets to support TA management per use cases and scope sections; it doesn't have design to update OP-TEE or any other TEE OS. TEEP protocol doesn't have methods for non-TA code. It defines only two methods: TrustedAppInstall TrustedAppDelete The transport is to support TEEP protocol doc. I suggest that we limit the scope of TA management across all three docs. > > > 2) It also says "a Trusted Application Manager (TAM) service > > > is used to manage TEEs in devices that can initiate communication to > > > the TAM." > > > > > > A TAM doesn't manage TEEs. Suggest change it to "manage Trusted > Applications". > > > TEEs don't initiate communication to the TAM. Suggest change it to "TEEP > Agent". > > > > Changed to: > > "is used to manage code and data in TEEs on devices that can initiate > communication to > > the TAM." > MP: good > > > 3) Section 1 says "a "Trusted Application Manager(TAM)" on the server > side) must > > > themselves run inside a TEE." > > > > > > This specification shouldn't set this as a requirement. A TAM in a > secure data > > > center that passes certain security requirements could be acceptable to > some devices. > > > > Context for the quote is that it was prefixed by "To be secure against > malware," > > and I still claim that to be secure against malware, a TAM would need to > run > > in a TEE as well. However, I do agree that a TAM that is not fully secure > > against malware could be acceptable to some devices, and that was my > original > > intent as well but I have clarified as: > > > > "... must themselves run inside a TEE, although a TAM running outside a TEE > > is also supported." > > > MP: I would use the word "SHOULD", not "MUST". I think that there are other ways to be secure against "malware". "Must run inside a TEE" implies that this is the only method. > 4) Section 2 says "and TEEP Broker, and Rich Execution Environment (REE)" > > > > > > The first "and" could be removed? > > > > Yes, done. > MP: Good > > > 5) Section 3: The hyperlink of "Section 6" doesn't point to the TEEP > architecture document. > > > > No hyperlink is in the draft. I think it's a bug in the html viewer for > > Internet drafts, which seems to be a little too smart in adding a hyperlink > > where it shouldn't. > > > MP: fine > 6) Section 5.1: "The TEEP/HTTP Client then informs the TEEP > implementation" and > > > "The TEEP implementation will either (a) pass no data back,..." > > > > > > Should this TEEP implementation mean the "TEEP Agent" inside the TEE? > > > > Yes, Section 1 explains the terminology: > > > ..., a TEEP implementation (referred to as a > > > TEEP "Agent" on the client side, and a "Trusted Application Manager > > > (TAM)" on the server side) ... > > > > But since the sentence in 5.1 is specifically about the client side then > > yes TEEP Agent is more precise. Will update throughout, for both > > TEEP Agent and TAM. > > > MP: good > 7) Section 5.4 says "An implementation MUST provide a way to periodically > check for TEEP > > > policy changes." > > > > > > TEEP policy hasn't been defined so far yet. Good to provide some > examples of this, > > > and where they are defined and who defines them. Will it mean TEEP > client policy > > > or TEEP server policy? The TA revocation status check in B) may not mean > a policy; the > > > time frequency to check TA revocation would be a policy. > > > > Updated text to clarify with examples: > > > > An implementation MUST provide a way to periodically check for TAM > policy > > changes, such as a Trusted Application needing to be deleted from a TEE > > because it is no longer permitted, or needing to be updated to a later > > version. > > > MP: this is fine. > 8) Section 7 says "The TEEP/HTTP Client calls the TEEP implementation's > "RequestTA" > > > API, passing TA Needed = X." > > > > > > Should it be calling "TEEP Agent"? So far, we assume that all > communications to > > > TEEP in TEE will go through TEEP Agent. In step 3 below, it indicates > that > > > "The TEEP Agent passes the TAM URI..." > > > > Same as point 6. > > > > > 9) Step 8 says "Back on the TEEP Agent side" > > > > > > Does it mean "TEEP Broker side"? > > > > No. There can be a TEEP Broker on both the agent side and the TAM side if > > the TAM is in a TEE, so "TEEP Broker" isn't a side. > > > MP: the full paragraph reads "8. Back on the TEEP Agent side, the TEEP/HTTP Client gets the HTTP response, extracts the TEEP message and pass it up to the TEEP implementation" The above message means: - it is inside TEE (On the TEEP agent side) - gets HTTP response and extracts TEEP message - passes it to "TEEP implementation" which is actually TEEP Agent here. On the client side, it is the TEEP Broker that extracts HTTP response, and passes it to the TEEP Agent. To avoid the vague side meaning, how is something like: "Back on the client side, the TEEP/HTTP Client gets the HTTP response, extracts the TEEP message and passes it up to the TEEP Agent" I will leave it to you to decide. > 10) Step 9: shouldn't the TEEP Agent be involved in this communication? > > > > Same as point 6. > > > > > 11) Step 11 says "passes > > > the payload up to the TAM implementation." > > > > > > To be consistent with step 5 above, "TAM implementation" changes to > "TEEP implementation" > > > or "TAM TEEP Implementation". > > > > Updated as part of changes for point 6. > > > > > Nits: > > > > > > Section 4: s/upon a following such a redirect/upon following such a > redirect > > > > Done, thanks. > > > > > Section 5.1: s/the TEEP/HTTP Client attempts to create session state/the > TEEP/HTTP Client attempts to create a session state > > > > Disagree with grammatical change. "State" is used in the same sense as > > "data". You create "data" not "a data", and you create "state", not > > "a state" which would sound like a specific state in a state machine. > > > MP: I saw some call out "session state data" if it means data, and some use "a session state"... https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/UploadFile/de41d6/view-state-vs-session-state-vs-application-state/ "By default, an ASP.NET session state is enabled for all ASP.NET applications. Session state data is shared across all the web pages..." But I trust you have the right usage. Good for me. These changes will be in draft -07. > > > > Dave > --000000000000e94c9c05aa992fbc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Dave. Please see replies inline. M= ing

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 6:02 PM Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> wrote:

Thanks Ming for= the review!=C2=A0 I entered your feedback as

https:= //github.com/ietf-teep/otrp-over-http/issues/16

and made change= s to the doc that you can review at

* https:= //github.com/ietf-teep/otrp-over-http/pull/17

* https:= //github.com/ietf-teep/otrp-over-http/pull/18

=C2=A0

Responses below= :

=C2=A0

> 1) Abstrac= t section says "is used to manage code and configuration data"=

> =

> Should it = just say manage "Trusted Applications" as this can<= /span>

> assume the= context defined in TEEP architecture and TEEP protocol

> document.<= u>

=C2=A0

No. TEEP can al= so be used to manage code that isn't a "TA" per se.=

For example, it= could also be used to update OP-TEE (or any other TEE "OS").


MP: Non-TA code management is out of scope for TEEP. TEEP architectu= re doc only targets to support TA management per use cases and scope sectio= ns; it doesn't have design to update OP-TEE or any other TEE OS. TEEP p= rotocol doesn't have methods for non-TA code. It defines only two metho= ds:
Trusted=
AppInstall
TrustedAppDelete
=
The transport is to support TEEP protocol doc. I suggest that w= e limit the scope of TA management across all three docs.

=

=C2=A0

> 2) It also= says "a Trusted Application Manager (TAM) service

>=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 is used to manage TEEs in devices that can initiate communication= to

>=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 the TAM."

> =

> A TAM does= n't manage TEEs. Suggest change it to "manage Trusted Applications= ".

> TEEs don&#= 39;t initiate communication to the TAM. Suggest change it to "TEEP Age= nt".

=C2=A0

Changed to:<= /u>

"is used t= o manage code and data in TEEs on devices that can initiate communication t= o

the TAM."<= /span>


<= /div>
MP: good

=C2=A0

> 3) Section= 1 says "a "Trusted Application Manager(TAM)" on the server = side) must

> themselves= run inside a TEE."

> =

> This speci= fication shouldn't set this as a requirement. A TAM in a secure data=

> center tha= t passes certain security requirements could be acceptable to some devices.=

=C2=A0

Context for the= quote is that it was prefixed by "To be secure against malware,"=

and I still cla= im that to be secure against malware, a TAM would need to run=

in a TEE as wel= l. However, I do agree that a TAM that is not fully secure

against malware= could be acceptable to some devices, and that was my original

intent as well = but I have clarified as:

=C2=A0

"... must = themselves run inside a TEE, although a TAM running outside a TEE=

is also support= ed."

=C2=A0


MP: I would use the word "SHOULD", not "MUST".= I think that there are other ways to be secure against "malware"= . "Must run inside a TEE" implies that this is the only method.

<= div lang=3D"EN-US">
=

> 4) Section= 2 says "and TEEP Broker, and Rich Execution Environment (REE)"

> =

> The first = "and" could be removed?

=C2=A0

Yes, done.


MP: Good

=C2=A0

> 5) Section= 3: The hyperlink of "Section 6" doesn't point to the TEEP ar= chitecture document.

=C2=A0

No hyperlink is= in the draft. I think it's a bug in the html viewer for<= /span>

Internet drafts= , which seems to be a little too smart in adding a hyperlink<= /span>

where it should= n't.

=C2=A0


MP: fine

> 6) Section= 5.1: "The TEEP/HTTP Client then informs the TEEP implementation"= and

> "The = TEEP implementation will either (a) pass no data back,..."

> =

> Should thi= s TEEP implementation mean the "TEEP Agent" inside the TEE?

=C2=A0

Yes, Section 1 = explains the terminology:

> ..., a TEE= P implementation (referred to as a

> TEEP "= ;Agent" on the client side, and a "Trusted Application Manager=

> (TAM)"= ; on the server side) ...

=C2=A0

But since the s= entence in 5.1 is specifically about the client side then

yes TEEP Agent = is more precise.=C2=A0 Will update throughout, for both

TEEP Agent and = TAM.

=C2=A0


MP: good

> 7) Section= 5.4 says "An implementation MUST provide a way to periodically check = for TEEP

>=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 policy changes."

> =

> TEEP polic= y hasn't been defined so far yet. Good to provide some examples of this= ,

> and where = they are defined and who defines them. Will it mean TEEP client policy

> or TEEP se= rver policy? The TA revocation status check in B) may not mean a policy; th= e

> time frequ= ency to check TA revocation would be a policy.

=C2=A0

Updated text to= clarify with examples:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 An= implementation MUST provide a way to periodically check for TAM policy<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 ch= anges, such as a Trusted Application needing to be deleted from a TEE

=C2=A0=C2=A0 be= cause it is no longer permitted, or needing to be updated to a later=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 ve= rsion.

=C2=A0


MP: this is fine.

> 8) Section= 7 says "The TEEP/HTTP Client calls the TEEP implementation's &quo= t;RequestTA"

>=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 API, passing TA Needed =3D X."=

> =

> Should it = be calling "TEEP Agent"? So far, we assume that all communication= s to

> TEEP in TE= E will go through TEEP Agent. In step 3 below, it indicates that<= /u>

> "The = TEEP Agent passes the TAM URI..."

=C2=A0

Same as point 6= .

=C2=A0

> 9) Step 8 = says "Back on the TEEP Agent side"

> =

> Does it me= an "TEEP Broker side"?

=C2=A0

No. There can b= e a TEEP Broker on both the agent side and the TAM side if

the TAM is in a= TEE, so "TEEP Broker" isn't a side.

=C2=A0


MP: the full paragraph reads
"=
;8. Back on the TEEP Agent side, the TEEP/HTTP Client gets the HTTP
        response, extracts the TEEP message and pass it up to the TEEP
        implementation"
The above message means:
=

- it is inside TEE (On the TEEP agent side)
-= gets HTTP response and extracts TEEP message
- passes it to &quo= t;TEEP implementation" which is actually TEEP Agent here.

On the client side, it is the TEEP Broker that extracts HT= TP response, and passes it to the TEEP Agent. To avoid the vague side meani= ng, how is something like:

"Back on the clien= t side, the TEEP/HTTP Client gets the HTTP response, extracts the TEEP message and passes it up to the TEEP Ag= ent"

I will leave it to you to decide.
<= div>

> 10) Step 9= : shouldn't the TEEP Agent be involved in this communication?=

=C2=A0

Same as point 6= .

=C2=A0

> 11) Step 1= 1 says "passes

>=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the payload up to the TAM implement= ation."

> =

> To be cons= istent with step 5 above, "TAM implementation" changes to "T= EEP implementation"

> or "T= AM TEEP Implementation".

=C2=A0

Updated as part= of changes for point 6.

=C2=A0

> Nits:

> =

> Section 4:= s/upon a following such a redirect/upon following such a redirect

=C2=A0

Done, thanks.

=C2=A0

> Section 5.= 1: s/the TEEP/HTTP Client attempts to create session state/the TEEP/HTTP Cl= ient attempts to create a session state

=C2=A0

Disagree with g= rammatical change. "State" is used in the same sense as=

"data"= ;.=C2=A0 You create "data" not "a data", and you create= "state", not

"a state&q= uot; which would sound like a specific state in a state machine.<= /u>

=C2=A0


MP: I saw some call out "session state data" if it means= data, and some use "a session state"...

"By default, an ASP.NET session stat= e is enabled for all ASP.NET=20 applications. Session state data is shared across all the web pages..."= ;

But I trust you have the right usage. Good for m= e.

These changes w= ill be in draft -07.

=C2=A0

Dave<= /u>

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Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 23:44:24 -0000 --0000000000005899ac05aaabbc39 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000051a52f05aaabbc4c" --00000000000051a52f05aaabbc4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, Our architecture document starts with the following abstract: "This architecture document motivates the design and standardization of a protocol for managing the lifecycle of trusted applications running inside such a TEE." >> TEEP is for provisioning TEEs To me, TEEP is to provision trusted applications to TEEs. This scope is consistent with what architecture doc says. >> whether that is creating an SD or updating OP-TEE We have had good elaboration about SD, and decided to not include it in TEEP. These example artifacts (SD or TEE update) are internal implementation choices, which TEEP doesn't need to define. They are underlying dependencies but TEEP doesn't need to cover whether and how a TEE updates itself and whether a TEE will use SD to host a TA or not. Agreed that this most probably needs WG consensus. This is one word simple change but important about getting on the same page. Hope to hear additional comments. Thanks, Ming On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 4:15 PM Dave Thaler wrote: > Mingliang Pei mingliang.pei@broadcom.com wrote: > > > 1) Abstract section says "is used to manage code and configuration data= " > > > > > > Should it just say manage "Trusted Applications" as this can > > > assume the context defined in TEEP architecture and TEEP protocol > > > document. > > > > No. TEEP can also be used to manage code that isn't a "TA" per se. > > For example, it could also be used to update OP-TEE (or any other TEE > "OS"). > > > > MP: Non-TA code management is out of scope for TEEP. TEEP architecture do= c > only targets to support TA management per use cases and scope sections; i= t > doesn't have design to update OP-TEE or any other TEE OS. TEEP protocol > doesn't have methods for non-TA code. It defines only two methods: > > TrustedAppInstall > TrustedAppDelete > > The transport is to support TEEP protocol doc. I suggest that we limit th= e > scope of TA management across all three docs. > > > > I disagree with the above. TEEP is for provisioning TEEs, and TEE archi= tectures vary. > For example, CreateSD in OTrP manages a TEE but is not about a TA per se. > > And in the TEEP protocol we use a SUIT manifest which can express depende= ncies > among TAs, and dependencies on system components, and install (or install= updates to) > > such dependencies as part of SUIT manifest processing. That means if you= have > > TA1 that depends on TA2 that depends on having the latest version of trus= ted firmware > or OP-TEE or whatever, the RATS attestation can include the current state= , and the > > SUIT workflow can install/update it. The fact that the TEEP protocol us= es a TA > > as the leaf/trigger doesn=E2=80=99t mean it can=E2=80=99t also do things = that it depends on, > > whether that is creating an SD or updating OP-TEE. Trying to make some = dependencies > > be out of scope and other dependencies not be out of scope would be arbit= rary, > > complicate the protocol (by saying some SUIT manifests would be illegal, = as opposed > to just using a SUIT processor), and create discrepancies between TEE imp= lementations > > (e.g., SGX vs OP-TEE/TrustZone) that in my opinion would not make sense a= nd provide > > no value. > > > > This sounds like something that needs WG consensus either way but I feel = strongly about this one. > > > > Dave > > > > --00000000000051a52f05aaabbc4c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dave,

Our architecture do= cument starts with the following abstract:

"This ar=
chitecture document
   motivates the design and standardization of a protocol for managing
   the lifecycle of trusted applications running inside such a TEE."
>> TEEP is for provisioning TEEs
To me, TEEP is to provision trusted applications to TEEs. This= scope is consistent with what architecture doc says.

>> whether that is creating an= SD or updating OP-TEE
We have had good elaboratio= n about SD, and decided to not include it in TEEP. These example artifacts = (SD or TEE update) are internal implementation choices, which TEEP doesn= 9;t need to define. They are underlying dependencies but TEEP doesn't n= eed to cover whether and how a TEE updates itself and whether a TEE will us= e SD to host a TA or not.

Agre= ed that this most probably needs WG consensus. This is one word simple chan= ge but important about getting on the same page. Hope to hear additional co= mments.

Thanks,

Ming


On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 4:15 PM Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> wrote:

Mingliang Pei mingliang.p= ei@broadcom.com wrote:<= /p>

> 1) Abstract section says "is= used to manage code and configuration data"

>

> Should it just say manage "T= rusted Applications" as this can

> assume the context defined in TEE= P architecture and TEEP protocol

> document.

=C2=A0

No. TEEP can also be used to manage co= de that isn't a "TA" per se.

For example, it could also be used to = update OP-TEE (or any other TEE "OS").

=C2=A0

MP: Non-TA code managem= ent is out of scope for TEEP. TEEP architecture doc only targets to support= TA management per use cases and scope sections; it doesn't have design= to update OP-TEE or any other TEE OS. TEEP protocol doesn't have methods for non-TA code. It defines only two met= hods:

TrustedAppInstall
TrustedAppDelete

The transport is to sup= port TEEP protocol doc. I suggest that we limit the scope of TA management = across all three docs.

=C2=A0

I disagree with the above.=C2=A0=C2=A0 TEEP is for provisioning TEEs, a=
nd TEE architectures vary.
For example, CreateSD in OTrP manages a=
 TEE but is not about a TA per se.
And in the TEEP protocol we use a SUIT manifest which can express depen=
dencies
among TAs, and dependencies on system components, and install (o=
r install updates to)
such dependencies as part of SUIT manifest processing.=C2=A0 That means=
 if you have
TA1 that depends on TA2 that depends on having the latest version of tr=
usted firmware
or OP-TEE or whatever, the RATS attestation can include t=
he current state, and the
SUIT workflow can install/update it.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The fact that the TEEP=
 protocol uses a TA
as the leaf/trigger doesn=E2=80=99t mean it can=E2=80=99t also do thing=
s that it depends on,
whether that is creating an SD or updating OP-TEE.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Trying t=
o make some dependencies
be out of scope and other dependencies not be out of scope would be arb=
itrary,
complicate the protocol (by saying some SUIT manifests would be illegal=
, as opposed
to just using a SUIT processor), and create discrepancies b=
etween TEE implementations
(e.g., SGX vs OP-TEE/TrustZone) that in my opinion would not make sense=
 and provide
no value.
=C2=A0
This sounds like something that needs WG consensus either way but I fee=
l strongly about this one.
=C2=A0
Dave
=C2=A0
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([2600:1010:b005:49b5:b954:1ce5:6891:2d31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d18sm3874333pjz.11.2020.07.17.18.21.12 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mingliang Pei Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:21:11 -0700 Message-Id: References: Cc: "teep@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: To: Dave Thaler X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17F80) Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="000000000000fb8cf605aaad1657" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] Review of draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-06 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 01:21:18 -0000 --000000000000fb8cf605aaad1657 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13D38248-22F2-4BD8-A8B1-448B924456D2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Apple-Mail-13D38248-22F2-4BD8-A8B1-448B924456D2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave, TEEP protocol itself defines what TEEP protocol does for TA. It doesn=E2=80=99= t list what is not allowed; implementation still has freedom to add manageme= nt for dependencies it needs. My concern is whether additional protocol methods should be defined if TEEP i= s used to manage other non-TA code. We can choose to not mention it which do= esn=E2=80=99t mean it disallows them. If we choose to include non-TA, we could mention that TEEP extensions later m= ay be added for those to move on. Thanks, Ming Sent from iPhone > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:37 PM, Dave Thaler wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > My point is that saying you cannot update OP-TEE in a SUIT manifest would b= e like saying > you are not allowed to create an SD in a SUIT manifest workflow. I think= trying to disallow such things > would be counterproductive and would just result in people using a protoco= l other than TEEP. > =20 > Dave > =20 > From: Mingliang Pei =20 > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:44 PM > To: Dave Thaler > Cc: teep@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Review of draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-o= trp-over-http-06 > =20 > Hi Dave, > =20 > Our architecture document starts with the following abstract: > =20 > "This architecture document > motivates the design and standardization of a protocol for managing > the lifecycle of trusted applications running inside such a TEE." > >> TEEP is for provisioning TEEs > To me, TEEP is to provision trusted applications to TEEs. This scope is co= nsistent with what architecture doc says. > =20 > >> whether that is creating an SD or updating OP-TEE > We have had good elaboration about SD, and decided to not include it in TE= EP. These example artifacts (SD or TEE update) are internal implementation c= hoices, which TEEP doesn't need to define. They are underlying dependencies b= ut TEEP doesn't need to cover whether and how a TEE updates itself and wheth= er a TEE will use SD to host a TA or not. > =20 > Agreed that this most probably needs WG consensus. This is one word simple= change but important about getting on the same page. Hope to hear additiona= l comments. > =20 > Thanks, > =20 > Ming > =20 > =20 > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 4:15 PM Dave Thaler wrote:= > Mingliang Pei mingliang.pei@broadcom.com wrote: > > 1) Abstract section says "is used to manage code and configuration data"= > > > > Should it just say manage "Trusted Applications" as this can > > assume the context defined in TEEP architecture and TEEP protocol > > document. > =20 > No. TEEP can also be used to manage code that isn't a "TA" per se. > For example, it could also be used to update OP-TEE (or any other TEE "OS"= ). > =20 > MP: Non-TA code management is out of scope for TEEP. TEEP architecture doc= only targets to support TA management per use cases and scope sections; it d= oesn't have design to update OP-TEE or any other TEE OS. TEEP protocol doesn= 't have methods for non-TA code. It defines only two methods: > TrustedAppInstall > TrustedAppDelete > The transport is to support TEEP protocol doc. I suggest that we limit the= scope of TA management across all three docs. > =20 > I disagree with the above. TEEP is for provisioning TEEs, and TEE archit= ectures vary. > For example, CreateSD in OTrP manages a TEE but is not about a TA per se. > And in the TEEP protocol we use a SUIT manifest which can express dependen= cies > among TAs, and dependencies on system components, and install (or install u= pdates to) > such dependencies as part of SUIT manifest processing. That means if you h= ave > TA1 that depends on TA2 that depends on having the latest version of trust= ed firmware > or OP-TEE or whatever, the RATS attestation can include the current state,= and the > SUIT workflow can install/update it. The fact that the TEEP protocol use= s a TA > as the leaf/trigger doesn=E2=80=99t mean it can=E2=80=99t also do things t= hat it depends on, > whether that is creating an SD or updating OP-TEE. Trying to make some d= ependencies > be out of scope and other dependencies not be out of scope would be arbitr= ary, > complicate the protocol (by saying some SUIT manifests would be illegal, a= s opposed > to just using a SUIT processor), and create discrepancies between TEE impl= ementations > (e.g., SGX vs OP-TEE/TrustZone) that in my opinion would not make sense an= d provide > no value. > =20 > This sounds like something that needs WG consensus either way but I feel s= trongly about this one. > =20 > Dave > =20 --Apple-Mail-13D38248-22F2-4BD8-A8B1-448B924456D2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave,

TEEP protocol i= tself defines what TEEP protocol does for TA. It doesn=E2=80=99t list what i= s not allowed; implementation still has freedom to add management for depend= encies it needs.

My concern is whether additional p= rotocol methods should be defined if TEEP is used to manage other non-TA cod= e. We can choose to not mention it which doesn=E2=80=99t mean it disallows t= hem.

If we choose to include non-TA, we could menti= on that TEEP extensions later may be added for those to move on.
<= br>
Thanks,

Ming

Se= nt from iPhone

On Jul 17= , 2020, at 5:37 PM, Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> wrote:

=
=EF=BB=BF

My point is that saying you cannot upda= te OP-TEE in a SUIT manifest would be like saying
you are not allowed to create an SD in a SUIT manifest workflow.  = I think trying to disallow such things

would be counterproductive and would ju= st result in people using a protocol other than TEEP.

 

Dave

 

From: Mingliang Pei <mingliang.pei@b= roadcom.com>
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:44 PM
To: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
Cc: teep@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Review of draft https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-t= eep-otrp-over-http-06

 

Hi Dave,

 

Our architecture document starts with the following a= bstract:

 

"This architecture document
   motivates the design and standardization of a protocol for=
 managing
   the lifecycle of trusted ap=
plications running inside such a TEE."

>> TEEP= is for provisioning TEEs

To me, TEEP is to provision trusted applications to T= EEs. This scope is consistent with what architecture doc says.

 

>> whet= her that is creating an SD or updating OP-TEE

We have had good elaboration about SD, and decided to= not include it in TEEP. These example artifacts (SD or TEE update) are inte= rnal implementation choices, which TEEP doesn't need to define. They are underlying dependencies but TEEP doesn't need to c= over whether and how a TEE updates itself and whether a TEE will use SD to h= ost a TA or not.

 

Agreed that this most probably needs WG consensus. Th= is is one word simple change but important about getting on the same page. H= ope to hear additional comments.

 

Thanks,

 

Ming

 

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 4:15 PM Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> wrote:

Mingliang Pei mingliang.pe= i@broadcom.com wrote:

> 1) Abstract section says "is used to mana= ge code and configuration data"

>

> Should it just say manage "Trusted Applic= ations" as this can

> assume the context defined in TEEP archit= ecture and TEEP protocol

> document.

 

No. TEEP can also be used to manage code that i= sn't a "TA" per se.

For example, it could also be used to update O= P-TEE (or any other TEE "OS").

 

MP: Non-TA code management is out of scope for TEEP. TEEP architecture doc o= nly targets to support TA management per use cases and scope sections; it do= esn't have design to update OP-TEE or any other TEE OS. TEEP protocol doesn'= t have methods for non-TA code. It defines only two methods:

TrustedAppInstall
TrustedAppDelete

The transport is to support TEEP protocol doc. I suggest that we limit the s= cope of TA management across all three docs.

 

I disagree with the above.   TEEP is for provisioning TEEs, a=
nd TEE architectures vary.
For example, CreateSD in OTrP manages a TEE bu=
t is not about a TA per se.
And in the TEEP protocol we use a SUIT manifest which can express depen=
dencies
among TAs, and dependencies on system components, and install (or=
 install updates to)
such dependencies as part of SUIT manifest processing.  That means=
 if you have
TA1 that depends on TA2 that depends on having the latest version of tr=
usted firmware
or OP-TEE or whatever, the RATS attestation can include th=
e current state, and the
SUIT workflow can install/update it.   The fact that the TEEP=
 protocol uses a TA
as the leaf/trigger doesn=E2=80=99t mean it can=E2=80=99t also do thing=
s that it depends on,
whether that is creating an SD or updating OP-TEE.   Trying t=
o make some dependencies
be out of scope and other dependencies not be out of scope would be arb=
itrary,
complicate the protocol (by saying some SUIT manifests would be illegal=
, as opposed
to just using a SUIT processor), and create discrepancies be=
tween TEE implementations
(e.g., SGX vs OP-TEE/TrustZone) that in my opinion would not make sense=
 and provide
no value.
 
This sounds like something that needs WG consensus either way but I fee=
l strongly about this one.
 
Dave
 
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teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8299D3A0ACF; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:04:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.10.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <159572187143.5464.17453625223388225118@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:04:31 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-07.txt X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 00:04:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : HTTP Transport for Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning: Agent-to- TAM Communication Author : Dave Thaler Filename : draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-07.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2020-07-25 Abstract: The Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Protocol is used to manage code and configuration data in a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). This document specifies the HTTP transport for TEEP communication where a Trusted Application Manager (TAM) service is used to manage code and data in TEEs on devices that can initiate communication to the TAM. An implementation of this document can (if desired) run outside of any TEE, but interacts with a TEEP implementation that runs inside a TEE. 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The following comments from the previous review do not seem to be = addressed: > 5) Section 3.3 talks about the Internet of Things. It does not talk = about the billions of devices being used to mount DDoS attacks. Can it = cover that too? Without putting the network interface inside the TEE, = I'm skeptical there is a solution. >=20 > 6) Section 3.4 talks about Confidential Cloud Computing. Can = something be said in Section 4.4.1 to make this less abstract? Regarding 6), the original Section 4.4.1 gone, and Section 1 does not = seem like a good place to resolve this comment. In the current document = structure, I think a sentence or two needs to appear in Section 3.4. In addition, I have a few new comments based on the revised document. Section 2: Since my last review, Raw Public Key was added. Please add = [RFC5280] as the reference for a "PKIX certificate". Section 4.1: now says: ... A TA Signer or Device Administrator may run their own TAM, but the devices they wish to manage must include this TAM's public key/certificate [RFC5280], or a certificate it chains up to, in the Trust Anchor Store. The meaning of "/" is unclear. I think it means "or", Please spell it = out. Section 5: s/content encryption key/content-encryption key/ Section 9.2: s/provides protection/provide protection/ Section 9.2 says: "... user/tenant ...". Again, I think the slash means = "or". Section 9.2 uses the term "payload security". For alignment with = Section 5.5, I think it should say "payload encryption". Section 9.4 talks about compromise and expiration. I do not think about = expiration as a form of compromise, so I think the title of the section = should be expanded. 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I've now entered this as issue #206 (https://github.com/ietf-teep/architect= ure/issues/206). Dave -----Original Message----- From: TEEP On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:51 PM To: teep Subject: Re: [Teep] Review of draft-ietf-teep-architecture-12 I had previously submitted comments on the -08 version of the document. The following comments from the previous review do not seem to be addressed= : > 5) Section 3.3 talks about the Internet of Things. It does not talk abou= t the billions of devices being used to mount DDoS attacks. Can it cover t= hat too? Without putting the network interface inside the TEE, I'm skeptic= al there is a solution. >=20 > 6) Section 3.4 talks about Confidential Cloud Computing. Can something b= e said in Section 4.4.1 to make this less abstract? Regarding 6), the original Section 4.4.1 gone, and Section 1 does not seem = like a good place to resolve this comment. In the current document structu= re, I think a sentence or two needs to appear in Section 3.4. In addition, I have a few new comments based on the revised document. Section 2: Since my last review, Raw Public Key was added. Please add [RFC= 5280] as the reference for a "PKIX certificate". Section 4.1: now says: ... A TA Signer or Device Administrator may run their own TAM, but the devices they wish to manage must include this TAM's public key/certificate [RFC5280], or a certificate it chains up to, in the Trust Anchor Store. The meaning of "/" is unclear. I think it means "or", Please spell it out= . Section 5: s/content encryption key/content-encryption key/ Section 9.2: s/provides protection/provide protection/ Section 9.2 says: "... user/tenant ...". Again, I think the slash means "o= r". Section 9.2 uses the term "payload security". For alignment with Section 5= .5, I think it should say "payload encryption". Section 9.4 talks about compromise and expiration. I do not think about ex= piration as a form of compromise, so I think the title of the section shoul= d be expanded. Russ _______________________________________________ TEEP mailing list TEEP@ietf.org https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.iet= f.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fteep&data=3D02%7C01%7Cdthaler%40microsoft.= com%7C786764eb45f742f8b79c08d8326672b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7= C1%7C0%7C637314762885446719&sdata=3Di15FnuehPc9n8Eo81wvQG3bh9rdooYQIYI%= 2FocjJ3UsQ%3D&reserved=3D0 From nobody Tue Jul 28 18:13:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4943A0E8C for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:13:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159598518087.9025.12157593867993118811@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:13:00 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] Milestones changed for teep WG X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 01:13:08 -0000 Changed milestone "Begin WGLC for Architecture document", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone "Progress Architecture document to the IESG for publication", set due date to September 2020 from April 2020. Changed milestone "Begin WGLC for Solution document", set due date to November 2020 from July 2020, added draft-ietf-teep-protocol to milestone. Changed milestone "Progress Solution document to the IESG for publication", set due date to March 2021 from December 2020, added draft-ietf-teep-protocol to milestone. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/teep/about/