From nobody Sun Nov 1 08:22:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC7A3A0B71; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 08:22:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iPtsxPnKarHx; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 08:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CA4A3A0B6F; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 08:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E782389A6; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 11:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wXTQqEBPxw8h; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 11:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E772389A7; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 11:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CE11D2; Sun, 1 Nov 2020 11:22:25 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: teep , "rats\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teep] [Rats] FYI: Confidential Computing webinar Nov 10 X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 16:22:31 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave Thaler wrote: > Tuesday November 10, 2020 at 8:30AM PT > https://confidentialcomputing.io/webinar/ > CCC meetings are also open to the public and a couple of you have att= ended them, > this webinar is more an intro but potentially of interest to anyone w= orking on TEEs. Thank you for this, I didn't know of this effort, and I'm pleased to attend. Please please note at: Time Nov 10, 2020 08:30 AM in Pacific Time (US and Canada) **Add to calendar** Webinar ID 948 3609 4806 If you click on the "Add to calendar", you will as far as I can tell, be giving the Zoom company complete read/write access to your calendar via OAU= TH2. At least for Google Calendar users. This not seem like programming "mistake", but an intentional overreach. Eventbright, meetup, webex, and dozens of other sign up systems get the pro= cess right. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl+e4MEACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWsSAf9HcECYbHwnVK4LTCxsMKi57aKMN1gQqrTmZg7cgph2mvxOav3/m/S+Hab XqWp++b8qZ8NSLlpn+VjVx9o4pg/ivBda6OQfZB86JqxuMbXGdsxQ8sDNZJErLY8 aY4YVzB/7Q5j53XEWXot4egkcw/TSu6hlbmCzT7lp0R9q3qyOhpv9KwicPVve6t/ nQxXKi15HfROOawsubm0IlHn8mhxg/vLOnQ0n3wn9HIFcXXSW+/TfD57EN4mm9Jl E6z6rpIcWOA5qBVdH8wQUhiNuIjhqfRwqVQ+I/Y9Fzut5OqRzD8MEWd5Ll0nzBxZ S57WVVSFfhJLjJMHhHBxuaecqvlfzw== =0XVO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Nov 2 12:11:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B2A3A1324; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 12:11:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <160434786829.30792.3776882290651741256@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 12:11:08 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-09.txt X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 20:11:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : HTTP Transport for Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning: Agent-to- TAM Communication Author : Dave Thaler Filename : draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-09.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2020-11-02 Abstract: The Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Protocol is used to manage code and configuration data in a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). This document specifies the HTTP transport for TEEP communication where a Trusted Application Manager (TAM) service is used to manage code and data in TEEs on devices that can initiate communication to the TAM. An implementation of this document can (if desired) run outside of any TEE, but interacts with a TEEP implementation that runs inside a TEE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teep-otrp-over-http-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 2 12:32:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136D73A11E9; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 12:32:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <160434914303.23947.5969912813888492884@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 12:32:23 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teep-architecture-13.txt X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 20:32:23 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Architecture Authors : Mingliang Pei Hannes Tschofenig Dave Thaler David Wheeler Filename : draft-ietf-teep-architecture-13.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2020-11-02 Abstract: A Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is an environment that enforces that any code within that environment cannot be tampered with, and that any data used by such code cannot be read or tampered with by any code outside that environment. This architecture document motivates the design and standardization of a protocol for managing the lifecycle of trusted applications running inside such a TEE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teep-architecture/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-architecture-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teep-architecture-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teep-architecture-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 2 15:09:52 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teep@ietf.org Delivered-To: teep@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43953A13C4; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 15:09:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teep@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teep@ietf.org Message-ID: <160435858087.9867.378455816090841965@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 15:09:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teep] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teep-protocol-04.txt X-BeenThere: teep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A Protocol for Dynamic Trusted Execution Environment Enablement List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 23:09:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG of the IETF. Title : Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (TEEP) Protocol Authors : Hannes Tschofenig Mingliang Pei David Wheeler Dave Thaler Akira Tsukamoto Filename : draft-ietf-teep-protocol-04.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2020-11-02 Abstract: This document specifies a protocol that installs, updates, and deletes Trusted Applications (TAs) in a device with a Trusted Execution Environment (TEE). This specification defines an interoperable protocol for managing the lifecycle of TAs. The protocol name is pronounced teepee. This conjures an image of a wedge-shaped protective covering for one's belongings, which sort of matches the intent of this protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teep-protocol/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teep-protocol-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teep-protocol-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teep-protocol-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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In going over my notes, I wanted to bring up one point that wasn't mentione= d in the meeting. 1. TEEP depends on both RATS (for EATs) and SUIT (for manifests). 2. EATs, manifests, and TEEP messages all identify a trusted component= via some version-independent identifier, in addition to a version. 3. The RATS WG (per Laurence) plans to use CoSWIDs as the way to ident= ify components in EATs. 4. The SUIT WG (per Brendan) requires a Component Identifier (an array= of ids) and makes a CoSWID optional in addition. 5. That means you currently must implement both SUIT Component Ids (fo= r manifests) and CoSWIDs (for EATs), not just one or the other. Do we really want to require even constrained devices to implement both way= s of identifying components? Or do we want an approach like SUIT took where one is mandatory and the oth= er is optional? Dave --_000_BL0PR2101MB1027210478254C34EFDA2828A3E00BL0PR2101MB1027_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Following up on our IETF meeting discussion of the S= UIT Component Identifier…

In going over my notes, I wanted to bring up one poi= nt that wasn’t mentioned in the meeting.

 

1.      TEEP depends on both RATS (for EATs) and SUIT (for = manifests).

2.      EATs, manifests, and TEEP messages all identify a t= rusted component via some version-independent identifier, in addition to a = version.

3.      The RATS WG (per Laurence) plans to use CoSWIDs as = the way to identify components in EATs.

4.      The SUIT WG (per Brendan) requires a Component Iden= tifier (an array of ids) and makes a CoSWID optional in addition.

5.      That means you currently must implement both= SUIT Component Ids (for manifests) and CoSWIDs (for EATs), not just one or the other.

 

Do we really want to require even constrained device= s to implement both ways of identifying components?

Or do we want an approach like SUIT took where one i= s mandatory and the other is optional?

 

Dave

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently the SUIT manifest spec talks about the "Update Procedure" for fetching dependencies and images, and installing them. The TEEP WG uses SUIT manifests for installing Trusted Apps, but also needs to be able to uninstall Trusted Apps on command. This begs the question of what is the correct "Uninstall" procedure for a c= omponent with a SUIT manifest. For example, is it a) Implied that one can simply delete all files referenced in the SUIT= manifest and the SUIT manifest? I suspect that might be insufficient in some cases. E.= g., if a SUIT manifest processor creates a Security Domain, is it always deleted i= f you delete the last component in it? Or should deletion be explicit? Controll= ing the answer to that question would require, I think, a SUIT manifest. b) Possible to create a SUIT manifest that when processed simply delete= s a component? E.g., bump the manifest version number, keep the component id= , and use empty payload and whatever commands are needed to clean up whatever state is needed? c) Something else? Currently the SUIT manifest draft doesn't say, and I think it should so we = can reference the answer from the TEEP protocol spec. If we have time, we might discuss = this in the SUIT meeting, but wanted to at least post the question to the list f= irst. Dave --_000_BL0PR2101MB1027C5748111B35E58E9B369A3E00BL0PR2101MB1027_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Currently the SUIT manifest spec talks about the = 220;Update Procedure” for

fetching dependencies and images, and installing the= m.  The TEEP WG uses

SUIT manifests for installing Trusted Apps, but also= needs to be able to

uninstall Trusted Apps on command.

 

This begs the question of what is the correct “= ;Uninstall” procedure for a component

with a SUIT manifest.   For example, is it=

a)      Implied that one can simply delete all files refere= nced in the SUIT manifest and

the SUIT manifest?  I suspect that might= be insufficient in some cases.  E.g., if

a SUIT manifest processor creates a Security = Domain, is it always deleted if you

delete the last component in it?  Or sho= uld deletion be explicit?  Controlling

the answer to that question would require, I = think, a SUIT manifest.

b)     Possible to create a SUIT manifest that when proces= sed simply deletes

a component?  E.g., bump the manifest ve= rsion number, keep the component id,

and use empty payload and whatever commands a= re needed to clean up

whatever state is needed?

c)      Something else?

 

Currently the SUIT manifest draft doesn’t say,= and I think it should so we can reference

the answer from the TEEP protocol spec.  If we = have time, we might discuss this

in the SUIT meeting, but wanted to at least post the= question to the list first.

 

Dave

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I prefer the above, mandating only one way of identifying components. -Akira On 11/20/2020 8:42 AM, Dave Thaler wrote: > Following up on our IETF meeting discussion of the SUIT Component Identifier… > > In going over my notes, I wanted to bring up one point that wasn’t mentioned in the meeting. > > 1.TEEP depends on both RATS (for EATs) and SUIT (for manifests). > > 2.EATs, manifests, and TEEP messages all identify a trusted component via some version-independent identifier, in addition to a version. > > 3.The RATS WG (per Laurence) plans to use CoSWIDs as the way to identify components in EATs. > > 4.The SUIT WG (per Brendan) requires a Component Identifier (an array of ids) and makes a CoSWID optional in addition. > > 5.That means you currently /must/ implement both SUIT Component Ids (for manifests) /and/ CoSWIDs (for EATs), not just one or the other. > > Do we really want to require even constrained devices to implement /both/ ways of identifying components? > > Or do we want an approach like SUIT took where one is mandatory and the other is optional? > > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > TEEP mailing list > TEEP@ietf.org > https://jpn01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fteep&data=04%7C01%7Cakira.tsukamoto%40aist.go.jp%7C25c927152097456a290408d88ce4d064%7C18a7fec8652f409b8369272d9ce80620%7C0%7C1%7C637414261669374998%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Oj1sfFMYt7iL6ZAeLarXAW86b0V9qqEy%2BImtnFk%2FL9Q%3D&reserved=0 >