From nobody Tue May 4 18:28:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606513A1DCB for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 18:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ye4UQ3WI6YCR for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:2a03:6000:1004:1::68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD4EC3A1DC8 for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FZfGS6pdFzF4Y for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 03:27:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1620178064; bh=XeDJkzOB4LNxsp4NCr9qvhEhBtp9Bgs4SjVBJx3Jq0Y=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=ToSU/PesC4OJQarR+BW6P8qn8HxlmZdtVUTIjyxoAul3TxjUrTN0jNdy5VoVoqo38 mGQij/KsbZZhpljbHXIfX62+0bOfUW1NqQBMSxPyf7LJdVmNQbAds2Jl6xwVZ75YAp euqOK2HKWCZalSQteF8wR2sBVk7VyN6Is8UbTZUI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i7pjnGxJK6tQ for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 03:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [193.110.157.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 03:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F1F234D722; Tue, 4 May 2021 21:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB92F4D721 for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 21:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 21:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] consensus="true" ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 01:27:58 -0000 Hi, My local xml2rfc warns me with: Warning: Setting consensus="true" for IETF STD document (this is not the schema default, but is the only value permitted for this type of document) When I add consensus="true" to the rfc tag, the warning goes away. But the version running on the datatracker than warns me with: One or more XML validation errors occurred when processing the XML file: draft-ietf-ipsecme-labeled-ipsec-05.xml: Line 26: Value "true" for attribute consensus of rfc is not among the enumerated set Which one is right, and who has the power to fix the one that is wrong? :) Paul From nobody Tue May 4 20:00:27 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41F13A20DC for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 20:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.119 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lowentropy.net header.b=Ek55Bbvq; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=QpuhN/3q Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G1QhqFfjve-H for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 20:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07AD53A20DA for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 20:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9FB5C006B for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 23:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap10 ([10.202.2.60]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 04 May 2021 23:00:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lowentropy.net; h=mime-version:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:from:to :subject:content-type; s=fm2; bh=UoWd54kRUW+G5AgtXER4bH/hKT3lmiD Zmv7is7+3Iss=; b=Ek55BbvqTFC3EvkOUZ8FHCBLeFy9tcgYl+abD6/Ke5eHYr/ lQtaX7yEBY/Kvmm1fexX4jnpMfGDfrMhWDmWwdyx6o3RdysYUcjRXqIEtwBbf3Hm EszdvVkkR+S4kyIwAoRAmWUIQM9zPW03P4J7wXCT+YoVwQY/pH6AXwK7t/hm4bf1 SstaP6OK2zeVlI7tqCErmt2ksA2AA63xZhReQeKtKFf4G3cfrhlwu+h575aRmSd5 bfXdroLpqs9x9fnwJ+i1eUr+SWoIDKnqw1CXo6hOxFT5vDzYQ1+haRyHNZFgBOBy cwiiPgdbF3S8im0xyvloXvK0PUntFTpTwyIaSxg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=UoWd54 kRUW+G5AgtXER4bH/hKT3lmiDZmv7is7+3Iss=; b=QpuhN/3qS3tfuBjoMFeUBz 8N6aDYqHLNsZ0ABZrUrzcxO5KNHiB3mD3LUNzYiZGdVev+7v/2umYM4Qfx78tLEB /TnWtbUxrLGO1Y9QHDPGSHTZ3vRcspJ/Y3Vlk20cRwGnOL1J5dKaHIZsHvlm0i90 rZXw7dK9aboPW9xodU/PCQ6BKYzB4KB39MvF/2HIrnKDxGP9hRrnkf8eJCwYi3j7 qecEQlWBqOcgnauhA5QLgaJlmW9ILvNt8cRUAQyTych2iIYXKP9kauBjTLyN/Ms1 6q3W/fTTyrZprkWdloT0R2v45cJbcUKzSTELwaRmzk/lnC0TM92S2C/Vj3ARBm4A == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrvdefjedgieduucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttd ertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfofgrrhhtihhnucfvhhhomhhsohhnfdcuoehmtheslhho figvnhhtrhhophihrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpefhiedttdeviefhjeejgf evfeeuudfggfekveekheeugeegleevkeevkedthfeuieenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhf rdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomh epmhhtsehlohifvghnthhrohhphidrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 747AE4E00C7; Tue, 4 May 2021 23:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-442-g5daca166b9-fm-20210428.001-g5daca166 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <6338d8a6-4622-4f13-8222-2a4354d077cc@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 13:00:01 +1000 From: "Martin Thomson" To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] consensus="true" ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 03:00:26 -0000 I suppress this warning deliberately, because it is impossible to satisfy without causing more problems (as you found). I believe that the right answer is to fix the rules for the attribute in the schema. We use the format for drafting and the schema (and tools) need to support that. There is a team working in the dark on updating RFC 7991, who should be aware of this issue already. On Wed, May 5, 2021, at 11:27, Paul Wouters wrote: > > Hi, > > My local xml2rfc warns me with: > > Warning: Setting consensus="true" for IETF STD document (this is not > the schema default, but is the only value permitted for this type of > document) > > When I add consensus="true" to the rfc tag, the warning goes away. But > the version running on the datatracker than warns me with: > > One or more XML validation errors occurred when processing the XML file: > > draft-ietf-ipsecme-labeled-ipsec-05.xml: Line 26: Value "true" for > attribute consensus of rfc is not among the enumerated set > > Which one is right, and who has the power to fix the one that is wrong? :) > > Paul > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From nobody Tue May 4 20:35:03 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9883A21E9 for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 20:35:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WB9iNGtHZp5K for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 20:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18D623A21E7 for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 20:34:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1620185693; bh=IerkgUrjoCaWOWtbPBce3VzFC+cXS7OhkX8keqFJ46s=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=iN7m9tvkgqMJCaHYebCe89+HxxdJtc4NUoCWKs/sHdJ/lTMu8hGUvgkkl3tXXPsh6 PJgS/ZPvGjywL+GuhNOqQILo0R1cMOjUYyBLw/kaHhHit6FiR5BF200fqRnJCZtj2X AUhyHMPZ1cU/pSXkL1Z+yi5AOfigGcfy4AFsLSj0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([217.251.128.61]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M8ykW-1laGgl0lks-006BMg for ; Wed, 05 May 2021 05:34:53 +0200 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <6338d8a6-4622-4f13-8222-2a4354d077cc@www.fastmail.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 05:34:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6338d8a6-4622-4f13-8222-2a4354d077cc@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:I3JBTeKDMHc4ti90WOgvpZ/TljShCVDR3k9LMgujhDCI0GVpROX 2HIxRtJ414CNxaOwFi87ddL5FAClLb6OrE2MuExNFGW9yBhmUSLMoRNWqU4QXzPLmDJSILU zBXW8gpnRjs1Pqr6+CdasVMI9rlyi6NTdtImAaIXQIRUvowHmNkT5w1grHVMchtjwNlQ+CV 7xwheQ8UIuyZcFEDGNDqA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:RiJskjPRuJE=:ZvCLGVlbpb87ajGvSZxgsP pGR2Q8Ax7jyqZBxFv6xaTKDf9lIO8xfaIWNG3W0bWfXqeHlGY+pce3Gycu8WilVT942DU1LlL ussMmSzu+xZ78UpzzidjkL/uMrMzDOTy7uJ3ONvc19uCV9lAWO50YUSLzx1AvWxbsbopoDt4A 1THVB5mIyVm+mMRv896JDh2bnn1qMbAcu9Lcgb+NPVizBvnwSkRvevfYVLIVP4+MBATUjS6uf RwKzdgyTZiizCbT9aUAB03OCM7sUTQQ6hIv2RiIbL8TjKq3nw+zP2wL4eQ569kfmsRK7G8OsX VvKWEJjP2MGvTKxDVk/lSwAlzaELJqD39ZmS5Py7S6Am1Xwr3W2Hu+2wMrPPOQWaePfY59YOK KWeoBECVa8MS4TwyubNTRnbHPGoR6C2OB3Lj3AiN/UBjAW2+zBZLICDZ4idwL/EiPuRaMFWXa M8LUVNrgI5vl34LlcrA53HYevxHTlb2Ryi6WCpis+Dl3fhjGQm8eR2073aX0MID9+KyRWEUIP /b/GaBbc8TIrg1Qc0YsVH61OI7Kt4+IE3IPgYbuVQzZ7O0wfRcJ9pH/mCqqi/vlBWjmzZzeS1 vWfENCBkfy5aM5fChmZ8ogzG9nwAhjjR5ujySyujtgFmrqYoLnztAZdpdXBvmwIkJJG0T+u27 ofELa2g23ir5yFNElpFSk8SV0m6mPeTYaNKPLJsu/YjGnF3hjZfqzY8p3AVSPyobgnkaRzg+O SF9nDscTtqymnIvB2sFjXOEZAuDB0qztqx3lOo89KOofFWUf1xJfW3rT00/oSRbCJlZS3W2+y I2OzLYLAQCINcpOm3uUNCQ0fjgoRi3mPs4L0ZrbUH4zpO26Yjct/FEMtn305YxwrZOfsgyV40 tBCyrXcRfVfM0nqjqTx5amYGwt2gDhXp6pcPNOYWpDhJGXzZO9wbrOWK29kY3u+7nPzvocC0E RCFAAzY0vCBJl8+GFwGROe3Vah4RJ2DMlijm+aghTCeOsd62KmZ7CIM0sK7BeE5QJatX3uJHw ek2XzDgnq84XaIS7qKkrAYCN/R1GVsqUaLOqKCqlMYQZZM5shPWX3mhfS9je5cw5m7vK7iwi6 yxbne+CLQeGr32pSgrb3GtJki62XdOyreL7VDxVwdhyq/I1RAxU8MYIvzkHHO+q2v/6NWtC+C qOalnowU+ztxWTK/nCBAkixcxgWpixCNGFizLcVCFjMIOmxDPo4cGn5HYZ3KWRb/Cbe9TTYpz VIi+aRC/ANLSogsW4 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] consensus="true" ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 03:35:02 -0000 Am 05.05.2021 um 05:00 schrieb Martin Thomson: > I suppress this warning deliberately, because it is impossible to satisf= y without causing more problems (as you found). > > I believe that the right answer is to fix the rules for the attribute in= the schema. We use the format for drafting and the schema (and tools) ne= ed to support that. There is a team working in the dark on updating RFC 7= 991, who should be aware of this issue already. > ... -> Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue May 4 21:21:36 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434473A040F for ; Tue, 4 May 2021 21:21:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GmbXwrOfb6qj; Tue, 4 May 2021 21:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 058B73A0407; Tue, 4 May 2021 21:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9D1D30D4-3655-4CAF-8C0F-0433A148EF6D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jay Daley Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 16:21:26 +1200 Message-Id: References: <6338d8a6-4622-4f13-8222-2a4354d077cc@www.fastmail.com> Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <6338d8a6-4622-4f13-8222-2a4354d077cc@www.fastmail.com> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18D70) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] consensus="true" ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 May 2021 04:21:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail-9D1D30D4-3655-4CAF-8C0F-0433A148EF6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On 5/05/2021, at 3:00 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFI suppress this warning deliberately, because it is impossible to= satisfy without causing more problems (as you found). >=20 > I believe that the right answer is to fix the rules for the attribute in t= he schema. We use the format for drafting and the schema (and tools) need t= o support that. There is a team working in the dark on updating RFC 7991, w= ho should be aware of this issue already. The mailing list for this team is viewable https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch= /browse/xml-sg-cmt/ Jay --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director >=20 >> On Wed, May 5, 2021, at 11:27, Paul Wouters wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> My local xml2rfc warns me with: >>=20 >> Warning: Setting consensus=3D"true" for IETF STD document (this is not=20= >> the schema default, but is the only value permitted for this type of=20 >> document) >>=20 >> When I add consensus=3D"true" to the rfc tag, the warning goes away. But >> the version running on the datatracker than warns me with: >>=20 >> One or more XML validation errors occurred when processing the XML file: >>=20 >> draft-ietf-ipsecme-labeled-ipsec-05.xml: Line 26: Value "true" for=20 >> attribute consensus of rfc is not among the enumerated set >>=20 >> Which one is right, and who has the power to fix the one that is wrong? := ) >>=20 >> Paul >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:=20 >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe):=20 >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org= > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/lis= tinfo/tools-discuss >=20 --Apple-Mail-9D1D30D4-3655-4CAF-8C0F-0433A148EF6D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 5/05/2021, at 3:00 PM, Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wr= ote:

=EF= =BB=BFI suppress this warning deliberately, because it is impossible t= o satisfy without causing more problems (as you found).

I believe that the right answer is to fix the rules for the att= ribute in the schema.  We use the format for drafting and the schema (a= nd tools) need to support that.  There is a team working in the dark on= updating RFC 7991, who should be aware of this issue already.

The mailing list for this team is viewable&nb= sp;https://= mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/xml-sg-cmt/

Jay

-- 
Jay Daley
IETF Executive Dire= ctor

On Wed, May 5, 2021, at 11:27, Paul Wouters wrote:

Hi,
My local xml2rfc warns me wit= h:

Warning: Setting consensus=3D"true" fo= r IETF STD document (this is not
the schema default, but is the only value permitted for this ty= pe of
document)

<= blockquote type=3D"cite">When I add consensus=3D"true" to the rfc tag,= the warning goes away. But
the version running on the datatracker than warns me with:
=

One or more XML validation errors occurred when pro= cessing the XML file:

draft-ietf-ipsecme-= labeled-ipsec-05.xml: Line 26: Value "true" for
attribute consensus of rfc is not among the enum= erated set
Which one is right, and who ha= s the power to fix the one that is wrong?  :)

Paul

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Worse but unrelated, the rfc markdown stuff generates &lt; _and_ changes all quotes to " and yes these two bugs amplify each other. I hope someone in the future can fix all the badly rendered html format in RFCs/drafts. Paul From nobody Wed May 5 21:58:55 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAA63A0AF9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 21:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6w9diHHBpygc for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 21:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C3223A0AF7 for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 21:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (p548dcb12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.203.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FbLvV3JQ7z101m; Thu, 6 May 2021 06:58:46 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_26408F39-51CE-4B7C-8CC5-9B9055C0FC69" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.80.0.2.43\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 06:58:45 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-Id: <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> To: Paul Wouters X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.80.0.2.43) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 04:58:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_26408F39-51CE-4B7C-8CC5-9B9055C0FC69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Paul, > struct { > uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; > opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1>; > } DnssecChainExtension; > That is what <[CDATA[ sections are good for: } DnssecChainExtension; ]]> (This example generated by =E2=80=9Cthe rfc markdown stuff=E2=80=9D.) > but the rendered html (from www.ietf.org/staging/) displays: >=20 > struct { > uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; > opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1> > } DnssecChainExtension; Care linking to the specific file? The specific example above generates this html for me: 
  struct {
      uint16 ExtSupportLifetime;
      opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1>
  } DnssecChainExtension;
=C2=B6
Which renders as attached below (not sure that will make it through this = ML). > If use literal < or >, then xml2rfc complains and won't render my .txt = output. As it should. > Worse but unrelated, the rfc markdown stuff generates &lt; _and_ > changes all quotes to " and yes these two bugs amplify each = other. I don=E2=80=99t know which rfc markdown stuff you are referring to = (there is a choice!), but see above for what is generated by = rfc-kramdown. We wouldn=E2=80=99t have got to RFC 9000 if what you are experiencing = were a common problem, so we do need to know some details. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten --Apple-Mail=_26408F39-51CE-4B7C-8CC5-9B9055C0FC69 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_661B0612-FCFF-4079-8984-D6404770EEEF" --Apple-Mail=_661B0612-FCFF-4079-8984-D6404770EEEF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Paul,

<artwork>   =  struct {
       uint16 = ExtSupportLifetime;
       opaque = AuthenticationChain&lt;1..2^16-1&gt;;
  =  } DnssecChainExtension;
</artwork>

That is what <[CDATA[ sections = are good for:

<artwork><![CDATA[
  struct {
      uint16 ExtSupportLifetime;
      opaque = AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1>
  } = DnssecChainExtension;
]]></artwork>

(This example generated = by =E2=80=9Cthe rfc markdown stuff=E2=80=9D.)

but the rendered html = (from www.ietf.org/staging/) displays:

   struct {
      =  uint16 ExtSupportLifetime;
      =  opaque AuthenticationChain&lt;1..2^16-1&gt;
   } DnssecChainExtension;

Care = linking to the specific file?

The specific example above generates = this html for me:

<div class=3D"artwork art-text alignLeft" = id=3D"section-1-10">
<pre>
  = struct {
      uint16 = ExtSupportLifetime;
      opaque = AuthenticationChain&lt;1..2^16-1&gt;
  } = DnssecChainExtension;
</pre><a = href=3D"#section-1-10" class=3D"pilcrow">=C2=B6</a>
</div>

Which renders as = attached below (not sure that will make it through this ML).

If use literal < or >, then xml2rfc complains and won't = render my .txt output.

As it should.

Worse but = unrelated, the rfc markdown stuff generates &amp;lt; _and_
changes all quotes to &quot; and yes these two bugs = amplify each other.

I don=E2=80=99t know which rfc markdown stuff you are = referring to (there is a choice!), but see above for what is generated = by rfc-kramdown.

We wouldn=E2=80=99t have got to RFC 9000 if what you are = experiencing were a common problem, so we do need to know some = details.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten



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-0000 Now https://github.com/rfc-format/draft-flanagan-7322bis/issues/2 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 2021-04-27, at 18:33, Paul Hoffman wrote: >=20 > During the discussions that led to XMLv3, I proposed that we get rid = of the "initials" field altogether and only use full names or surnames. = Using initials is a historic academic format created by people who = didn't care about names that don't easily have clear initials. >=20 > My proposal failed, and yet we still have the same problems. I would = be happy to again suggest that Internet Drafts and RFCs refer to authors = by their actual names, not forced into a construct that is trivially = shown to hamper both understanding while reading and searchability of = our documents. >=20 > --Paul Hoffman >=20 From nobody Thu May 6 06:32:32 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E5C3A2260 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QrjLRhp_4PdZ for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A179A3A225C for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 06:32:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1620307947; bh=ZZaEtRphd9WXUnHpzbHmwqHLus64Ai1BSiN7ygtjAh8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Spk76hNaI6gwazxytjhO1+CDg52XG3FSax7OTto1qr22CTNCPdbToNXFEVE/6naH8 sZ9bu0B0KpJkUTeKLBMHdXyYbNK4EzJczRhiu3fM0hTv/Pe3nDpFuB7Dqn5dbOLIV4 /bzsPxUR5iqdYd1XJPE/WDJN/J6FvhzDhHUOREA8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([91.61.62.171]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M9o1v-1lb5DS17X3-005pdO for ; Thu, 06 May 2021 15:32:27 +0200 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <9855d3ff-8f82-c147-f87f-3109b0032bbb@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 15:32:26 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:t0616l22RmN9IxmGwK6eJoywcDP0tkhMRHB9ysiFJ19JaPjRTdF aMVBcMksFYUU7bMkysuayo/kdRE1FCquiRS7MgTP+xXpcT6abqVuwoXTTpEaYYbmgzuexKV AKyXpM40ZiSHFiBHLzlYQAnLm3c+TpJzcziRkZkPDU/pDgYfJDlxpnf/FLi1x0+MPpkX5bq QZ8jLrO5Vi0pmyu5EvXsw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:VuNIZnbP6NI=:0cjWUVJ9y4ov7qYRpv8ZxZ cLPVYH5zdTz2M2wQ3IUYeCo+kOTJiO5T+5u4GEFcxatdHSeXzAnV+nZC/rQDWornQf9fvXtmv IvcDbJIBOh46cvR/gZ6KE6qPzHz6RRAY0irxT0zUunqQsPM7ipZQTDC0257kZ/BvBqrS4KMRq n4Xtu+eG/s8cmJIHlPyW9E0YnpMB43202XB1hqrFeX4tIdLLPQGmVQPeKDzjll+46Fr+JXATk NLgg9AkAfGppoRM9VkwByRcRjYFxNsRePyze/AnlnSmJjXjdLTzDAmjafF4Tpsb/3L/GUQWN9 qka5tSxYplS+rRzevKuNYceT+rPiX5VHMTj8haQmzNBf1iBL831XwXjBXAj0LLx1cowQES2ss WDCepLImVT7BbYFqHgiunwrx1JpflM3zp2IyJzRG+pG1C0E8I5VC+08FyITbdOCSxqtcEWyGI I79HEt3vkDqbjlBe33nfe55A1pwHwGYKolpXFMZvYEA9lL+TMhxSDG5ZjKVQZVxB4cYjpQ7A7 1/xeBQFoBtiOX2l29syX77hQFzeN/F3s17n2oWuObUkgqUKTz8ki/ev7+C8PWQI02uLgrkvkW Ap+xP+S1UEeDLYJi94u5W2M4E/th4KlKqQ62kDskYQalAF3ejbAaN/5gEcgK+3QBHgK7eEzy9 NDyQdJe6utL78fCv3005jy31IV5A0GxcUUTUHWEXUuB0FTcCedrFS+CcPh+xWgGdzGkxt4ocr 0q1aqKjM6NnDNTiQOp5mBPgn0bJ051wevfmrhF2AM1dWTIbUg/jnWwdAT2fJX6QdmIj7Ec1DU b1A58wewtk7aZeOAEjMZkt+v7/IosjxETAUQEztRzfeyB+rWRzQpqc/lXPsud0NbTuU/kzrEa ky+nDOELiMK7DFLymKGyPFVLDmn0fzflklB1dxtE4MA+Q4NeXMM2otFqYWONsmnXjqtwSNzHX UWSlFp+LN5oj590WQwzo9vmtnG6cM5V+T4XbWKxLwGA/lU1NEJFD+KdRaYhjnSwGkKPf6s7NE f7OTdzthdCjiqxbmb0mvO2660kIpkAJMvB3pWdCa/BSNoozD6lKy0g+sGh7rL+PGsGCc1KVOJ OYGnuU1miut0Dk5S5ucWrDJ+tU5eX+G5A8IiDRYF8sRcja1ZqQQxzGBD23H6qkHrDcZ7QdZj9 M9r2hHxo4kbI5GSS5Zak49lyra1e0deR2wq3oCUXwkat/35Y7K+3wtX9dxkeiG11zWCtd4ze7 NE3RPD++2C2ZX/AiG Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 13:32:32 -0000 Am 06.05.2021 um 04:31 schrieb Paul Wouters: > > I have an issue with artwork that renders badly in html on the site: > > > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 struct { > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 opaque AuthenticationChain&l= t;1..2^16-1>; > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 } DnssecChainExtension; > > ... It would be best if you attached sample XML; at this point I'm not sure whether what you have got through properly. *If* your intent is to have the "16" in 2^16 in superscript, you can use: > struct { > uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; > opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2¹⁶-1>; > } DnssecChainExtension; > (I've used numeric character references here to avoid transmission problems). I've tested this with current xml2rfc in v3 mode, and it appears to generate the desired HTML. Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu May 6 07:49:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBB03A24E0 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 07:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qFeaurVVEvev for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:2a03:6000:1004:1::68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 781963A24CC for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 07:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Fbc0L1x0nzCMG; Thu, 6 May 2021 16:48:50 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1620312530; bh=65KPb1Uf61mDeSAAG+WNGO1ILsjpIOh1Dv7P6s45c8k=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=kYfh1Rx0Fkv2+hNUbCBMB6+yASrqeIvCJ7Kxxyyiyg/9AJnVWjee+TIB+alfUdMAu s186Rb7fQtoBYnE9LRWLnYnRPJ19Tv06DIIG9F01G8NojV2XABXT7z+k9Jdu5qr0pG mK9c4E1SpiUnKU67QSo6Ek5u3z0ZVHjLYHGrcINU= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yPLu1miUSmhI; Thu, 6 May 2021 16:48:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [193.110.157.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 6 May 2021 16:48:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C265C510E3; Thu, 6 May 2021 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C123B510E2; Thu, 6 May 2021 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 10:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: Carsten Bormann cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> Message-ID: References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 14:48:59 -0000 On Thu, 6 May 2021, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> struct { >> uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; >> opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1>; >> } DnssecChainExtension; >> > > That is what <[CDATA[ sections are good for: > > struct { > uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; > opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1> > } DnssecChainExtension; > ]]> Ahhh, I have used (copied it from others) before. I didn't realise I needed it here! But the markdown didn't generate that ofr me. > Care linking to the specific file? https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dukhovni-tls-dnssec-chain-05 That is me tweaking the xml and txt artisanally though. The original .md file (and the Makefile with my sanitizing hacks) is at: https://github.com/vdukhovni/dnssec-chain-extension > I don’t know which rfc markdown stuff you are referring to (there is a choice!), but see above for what is generated by rfc-kramdown. Yes rfc-kramdown :) > We wouldn’t have got to RFC 9000 if what you are experiencing were a common problem, so we do need to know some details. I'm sure it's me, and you've already helped me a step in the right direction. Thanks! Paul From nobody Thu May 6 07:56:21 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD803A2511 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 07:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0TWhbrj23Gm0 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 07:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C08F3A2510 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 07:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-0175.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0175.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Fbc8s2N7Mz14PM; Thu, 6 May 2021 16:56:13 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.6\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 16:56:12 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 642005772.8881429-3b021af317f48692026e3b78500e7c41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> To: Paul Wouters X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 14:56:20 -0000 On 2021-05-06, at 16:48, Paul Wouters wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 6 May 2021, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 >>> struct { >>> uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; >>> opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1>; >>> } DnssecChainExtension; >>> >>=20 >> That is what <[CDATA[ sections are good for: >>=20 >> > struct { >> uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; >> opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1> >> } DnssecChainExtension; >> ]]> >=20 > Ahhh, I have used (copied it from others) before. I didn't realise I > needed it here! But the markdown didn't generate that ofr me. To clarify, you are talking about the tool called mmark. >> Care linking to the specific file? >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dukhovni-tls-dnssec-chain-05 >=20 > That is me tweaking the xml and txt artisanally though. The original = .md > file (and the Makefile with my sanitizing hacks) is at: >=20 > https://github.com/vdukhovni/dnssec-chain-extension >=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t know which rfc markdown stuff you are referring to = (there is a choice!), but see above for what is generated by = rfc-kramdown. >=20 > Yes rfc-kramdown :) I was trying to say kramdown-rfc, but misstated. (Kramdown-rfc and mmark are the two markdown-to-rfc tools available = right now.) >> We wouldn=E2=80=99t have got to RFC 9000 if what you are experiencing = were a common problem, so we do need to know some details. >=20 > I'm sure it's me, and you've already helped me a step in the right > direction.=20 Great! Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu May 6 08:38:32 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22D13A265C for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 08:38:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9NOTe5dptQ-M for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 08:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA38F3A265B for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 08:38:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1620315502; bh=HjLOYJO/3sdXV0Wev4OkcffPJOHu53/WuTYrBQeOfKk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ZefVdIE/mDw2WCvfLlyPkc8mQCKldi+3YeYDrhXKWhhwSOJO2DZMbqA8wPYL9FPLa 2uEL86cnWonMWa8MFtjkzjUqOqprtHN3mYqGDc/1De5jMiQ2VN87pBfY2WhQYliUJL yFs+mpNSRm09Pzad805wrycTFXYJj6zw+NZ3ZTB4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([91.61.62.171]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N63RQ-1lTvaI2bUm-016LAL for ; Thu, 06 May 2021 17:38:22 +0200 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <9c1bfb62-8720-1427-e339-ef75e46b0467@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 17:38:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:RBdwDfltekbdvIk1qqPSjTzPY/pFbvjL/snpfuW6mtkoH0K3fHl EC6OdybKfRL3Ejy5wOSbEAG4UZQo/1S+olJUTsVsaWv2WizSfQHgoOIr6o/GTBq/D0JtsBL wcCuvoa+Wj3y6xurdtJAWb0p5aSSVcf7tNeJsi7Any9scQX6WsxlWEPGWJLXxD0/y8nWUnI MGek3XJ3pfwCNw4anhF6Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:buD7NvCUtSM=:Y6ohgIBSbPG4TcxDAyWt5H wE7i4ZHlt7py386yQnZCwI88XSWteYCD5fzhVUV2nMjgxZnIN1O24hk8fOujBa045YlBxVR2F 7trUs0Jkhoo88tyhFI3rmVv2qx9bmIzHWMhTEOLdPAxwB3KaXLWmIFPHAyD9+AfqgQPNAzyed JuVsqlqpqo5V1zUr14MKqQCda3DiPtpyJJ6b1qHqw9DmiZLF0e/qhDndNtVGbWWWuE+97A5XZ BdReSlz4E3FQsai1POXrbjA0SWBqQWn7iLTqtekJJFbQtbtim7OQvSlat1lGJqRgrt4bCAFNu Kv0BCUQQV/QurdVN1wYWnL+4iOyT+pE1bNogdFaKuUtRdflK7SlZr0GYEgpg+GwkLw7EUmsXD v3sO1w8Qq4oN7kvHAQZ1EOYwoH8dAkEVopP8KWmBuF5ivxCTEF6/NYXFKvZRpDuYdkJbW1OyX pPaMJPzbMqzdDWgsnQ/xoCE4IAIaK5ZpkXktYFHHLfQ3WypYRDUsJvfwGA3WGFpZ4BdeJMQB2 uIhdNSHdGrPt6oVCfFo/vmAU4ZX4HY10RqHFXU/iKW0tsm2xugJhxZUlqQcXEtxjcVLcNLKbh Vh7InavmguJqmx0+UlAYXtlft0ghwAuK5PcfL1Fq6XayVBL8AQ+df0yDeC9hE4gbHRohOXtMp n8Ay+nHpWj1kRRnSZW0qD8ANRjzU0EpPk+MZz3OA1hEjvzbeKb2NqXL4AH8jX3newcb7mJ9IV O1wPiu2+f4rf/UnyngbFmi8CkSx2pkVuo1ZL+05zBp99hBjikfZkM+pWZkYUriVqqNi1sJnDn CwSmuTgvibotKbeamyUqxhgPTEXekq6QZuEgshGh1Yfw9LacNJMqm9WWisFFAwRk+IdMe9siG URVf+EuYfcvY/oq27BQ6NwKHxQv1YNXfbMgP3oS6cis4qlux/FxnnmqNTJBZqqYf4uULY2fu7 wQ3JK3kOtSnbmbCe5vQA5xy3t9cJ4QdrA2BOBtyOb9v+lVeMU257kOtr1xAz1RbffkvFbdj4o 03e3kDrt1Q4ZVUP0wWlYInUuWxWJJJtCO0e9jcwEVqz1wi4ZQT2tJ6NHGxY3fOVnkLu1tNZX3 ANZkl76Svnas6Ips++XhWV/CpFYpD5XLNAWpcmfEqAbdaHGjvfIRfgPv0R3nsunlSxMigPIGb /xwrdfL53nHB9CwXbHqs1iwba0h0Qwi2/TM0iroUIoiBktBVxNCmxqdn5aID+90FUr5L07mgu KiqM55RC+Kuy2G250 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 15:38:30 -0000 Am 06.05.2021 um 16:48 schrieb Paul Wouters: > On Thu, 6 May 2021, Carsten Bormann wrote: > >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 struct { >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 opaque AuthenticationChain<1..= 2^16-1>; >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 } DnssecChainExtension; >>> >> >> That is what <[CDATA[ sections are good for: >> >> > =C2=A0struct { >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1> >> =C2=A0} DnssecChainExtension; >> ]]> > > Ahhh, I have used (copied it from others) before. I didn't realise I > needed it here! But the markdown didn't generate that ofr me. You don't need it. Either you use a CDATA section, *or* you ampersand-escape the critical characters. >> Care linking to the specific file? > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dukhovni-tls-dnssec-chain-05 > > That is me tweaking the xml and txt artisanally though. The original .md > file (and the Makefile with my sanitizing hacks) is at: > > https://github.com/vdukhovni/dnssec-chain-extension That file appears to contaion ">" instead of ">" (). Maybe that's the only issue here? > ... Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu May 6 09:04:39 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563323A273D for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F1oJl4iQH97m for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D692C3A2736 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-pool2-69.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-pool2-69.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.48.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Fbdgf2yBlzyTw; Thu, 6 May 2021 18:04:30 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.6\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <9c1bfb62-8720-1427-e339-ef75e46b0467@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 18:04:30 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 642009869.90195-04b0199d7a40455d5e07558bd6a39b28 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2E8D96EC-650C-4BA9-88DC-A7740EA32EB1@tzi.org> References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> <9c1bfb62-8720-1427-e339-ef75e46b0467@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 16:04:37 -0000 On 2021-05-06, at 17:38, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 > That file appears to contaion ">" instead of ">" > = (). > Maybe that's the only issue here? Probably, but then somebody put those there, possibly after a previous = malfunction of some tool, which we should try to dig out if true. (Maybe the markdown conversion was just done manually and incompletely, = though.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu May 6 09:24:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDAE3A27E1 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:24:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1SzrbuzyKyhN for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 769D63A27E0 for ; 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>>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 opaque AuthenticationChain<1.= .2^16-1>; >>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0 } DnssecChainExtension; >>>> >>> >>> That is what <[CDATA[ sections are good for: >>> >>> >> =C2=A0struct { >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 uint16 ExtSupportLifetime; >>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 opaque AuthenticationChain<1..2^16-1> >>> =C2=A0} DnssecChainExtension; >>> ]]> >> >> Ahhh, I have used (copied it from others) before. I didn't realise I >> needed it here! But the markdown didn't generate that ofr me. > > You don't need it. > > Either you use a CDATA section, *or* you ampersand-escape the critical > characters. > ... FWIW, because this is such FAQ, the spec has an entire section about that topic: . Best regards, Julian From nobody Thu May 6 09:33:35 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F683A2826 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:33:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tlksjTGcxsdS for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 032EF3A2825 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 09:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-pool2-69.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-pool2-69.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.48.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FbfK31hDCz108x; Thu, 6 May 2021 18:33:27 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.6\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <9bd3b86b-d9f6-2063-1769-a5f1888255ad@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 18:33:26 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 642011606.687579-dd61b85f6755b13812a6dd21fa90a266 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> <9c1bfb62-8720-1427-e339-ef75e46b0467@gmx.de> <9bd3b86b-d9f6-2063-1769-a5f1888255ad@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 16:33:34 -0000 On 2021-05-06, at 18:24, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 > FWIW, because this is such FAQ, the spec has an entire section about > that topic: > . Yeah, and that perpetuates the myth of needing to escape =E2=80=9C>=E2=80=9D= =E2=80=A6 (Yes, I learned about that rare species =E2=80=9C]]>=E2=80=9D in XML = 101, which you only ever need when making examples about CDATA.) Sorry, pet peeve. (You can now go ahead and escape all =E2=80=9C/=E2=80=9D= in JSON as well :-) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu May 6 10:02:32 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751FD3A2928 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 10:02:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ILlQw0w5fM-M for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 10:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 605F03A2925 for ; Thu, 6 May 2021 10:02:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1620320543; bh=CVd7uSZcnfJwx177fVFyVP72+E9CovibTDM1b/5TBEQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=bf/xSkDt1F4YqDGP4U623DBEYrpPnkUgau9uwCwwt9JAa0YIEIIT+RmYzNhewtuTK 3jlfuf0lfAUtkhSfQUSltdM6Onh3KWnx+HNhcx8NOENAY082ahy5d6/SJfVdLUzBph fdj12U6/1p2AXArilOtW6jaXJCyKfS5605utn7y4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([91.61.62.171]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N9dwj-1lQrs22Kyj-015WIZ for ; Thu, 06 May 2021 19:02:23 +0200 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <3b649680-b123-781b-e81b-f129f2a146fe@nohats.ca> <8DF71730-F34D-41D1-863F-2CDCACEBEB21@tzi.org> <9c1bfb62-8720-1427-e339-ef75e46b0467@gmx.de> <9bd3b86b-d9f6-2063-1769-a5f1888255ad@gmx.de> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <9e43847d-6deb-16f7-b78e-651ee5d273e8@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 19:02:20 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yESNVMaYqNtNwcZzyFjkuIP/Xh7YGOS+cWiEcd5xiw4sHjZAgVn YFWzYUs7KTm8ymAaq0ZbUEcAlVFkYiiJFc3G6Yael0QNQuZIkMm3as7LhL/qS7PPvkpvrST UF6Dhsq64FXarDCdPEXVN44uorhNe7GCEk7WP9FPnvUAPUUbgpICHThm5t2K1CAzlBNqeuf Hp3dSTL8zcRx9A/BInwSQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:MKAEH/gdAiw=:qMlNWVX/ZcfR0qrcVU7iq5 RLQDETcyxQpKgF9+QYngQdPLhv+dbbHgxKPkb/4HPHHOMvtGZn+n/KBYADLaWNbJfq0cyXxqa w6OXQtKGe7Bs9WVxvtbUUo5wooMkgi8Qu9yN9GA2sGFfzctb8B7zczsT6XMTe2CZVVHik0XGY ADyQUS2i/kpWNEsg1sUHMAx0wEXIUJte+ackpeokNxgkJDcxe26bFFArRYe0Awp09z5M6zTSm LbEGE2Nkb6ACdl5dIDyQ2PcD3NQNIqYHkdbkrYeBs467I4XCQmb6mzEIa7F6WTDf2rKf5zZ6r PPS5M3g07MD0rXNYRoQL9NffZGxIrUzMgshrU0Zdm53Se+07rmifsjOuhxh6NXObZRob2odIT nkD4mPE+oYsORW42jVclnna2X73V1Sej6vKQPxJhuH6APbE7u4ag1MuOrd972d0WlONOja/6W vpggKt1LPPcU1FTDZpnml6UI00ysFfHamZWuNoBrxsTP2TjqIr8SJc+LZUQ4zQ02qqXvk235c u2BPOE7CzSyKM12szV1CCryt1T8lrMtFBDZxK/p4LJ3kO8tPrQqq6jLyingLkXjpVp4BeX3sa wE1FqmQjZ5qBSoAv3XtHYrYjfCfaM0kvJIudMXqP9w9xhZ+taEJeVDF9sRyxMSVKst0o/3nTM zphB5poFDZF7qCnOfpDL495SacEqiC2PQDx0LQcqGK9ugXy9Px4WRHVN3Sbz33Ao07yAoAEFl dee/bbTPJWdsWlHu+UGZEHfABB1syisIU/aoU5h2TJyeMLyzo9WW2JPyugthmQeepsXkC7VFO lvwlg2ykO40G1M8P3ZmEZx7YvpTLhfS9oGZ8qyn/pXeD+nuEo953ZHF2xpoZfklWP3A4i9kNh gnibAoIhQXotUkA5tQEcZH92wdtlivhi2SbUcptlpSuh31i8LF0NG9uO6X2WvTtHem+IGPNvu nilO0GChTatsdXGoJV5QC4geZLpAo6tpIb098UbbGPgxB+bgjOo8VKrYHBagoR9xYTsa7qa2t YjoazxGm1IXKG8gfrvIYMvkmQPEtc8+o+a+skWraXddC/NeiAoXiGPZuKMvnlcGLFyZnF8m9a U1fqxemjDNWzWtPwWc8nG2P9zqqFrVwvyetIWcj18fVA9VtCG+M7KxVq8bpIfTHRu1/ReTgRS PjMBT+mOEgKu0SvF4NbS9GZKX9Loeoh6jValfyyOWkqTU7nJbJBq3N6XXqkRJ/V9WgBp64VJH k8jn/TKiMsTdljl3N Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] placing < and > in artwork renders broken html X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 17:02:32 -0000 Am 06.05.2021 um 18:33 schrieb Carsten Bormann: > On 2021-05-06, at 18:24, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> FWIW, because this is such FAQ, the spec has an entire section about >> that topic: >> . > > Yeah, and that perpetuates the myth of needing to escape =E2=80=9C>=E2= =80=9D=E2=80=A6 It does in the prose: "A common problem authors have with and elements is that the XML processor returns errors if the text in the artwork contains either the "&" or "<" character, or the string "]]>". To avoid these problems, the "&" and "<" characters may be escaped using the strings "&" and "<", respectively; the "]]>" string can be represented as "]]>". Alternatively, they may be surrounded in a CDATA structure: "". (...)" ...but the example below is indeed misleading. -> I should have cited RFC 7749, which indeed says: > ">" does not require escaping, unless it appears in the sequence "]]>" (= which indicates the end of a CDATA section; see below). Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon May 10 10:30:42 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1A03A2326 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 09:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.791 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.791 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_04=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D7SzgxZE3Zk2 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 09:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C9C93A2323 for ; Mon, 10 May 2021 09:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcb12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.203.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Ff6NM59P9zyRn; Mon, 10 May 2021 18:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2B9A2DE4-38F1-425E-AA00-B0BA39EC2640" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.6\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <75d1b100-e761-e9bb-2ae0-02266c86b499@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 18:44:50 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 642357890.663474-8eda4487e49c6c57bd7c4b9ae9ea4c67 Message-Id: <6BDFA0EA-D6F1-4443-B771-9B1A0AD56713@tzi.org> References: <763b8195-6139-fb20-aa4e-2b4d89b5681c@gmail.com> <75d1b100-e761-e9bb-2ae0-02266c86b499@it.aoyama.ac.jp> To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.6) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 May 2021 10:30:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] What do do about SVG X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 16:45:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2B9A2DE4-38F1-425E-AA00-B0BA39EC2640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Since this little gem didn=E2=80=99t seem to make it to rfc-interest, = here=E2=80=99s a copy=E2=80=A6 (No action needed, I solved the problem in a different way in = kramdown-rfc 1.4.11.) 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On 2021-01-06, at = 05:21, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> wrote:

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I believe from my own experiments (which included patching the code of svgcheck, writing a supplementary SVG massager, and manual SVG editing) that what we have simply isn't fit for purpose. And I'm not happy about waiting for the politics of the RFC Series Editor to be settled before we discuss what to do about this. [If somebody could send me the original SVG, I'd be interested to run it through my patched tools.] Regards Brian Carpenter On 11-May-21 04:44, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Since this little gem didn=E2=80=99t seem to make it to rfc-interest, h= ere=E2=80=99s a copy=E2=80=A6 > (No action needed, I solved the problem in a different way in kramdown-= rfc 1.4.11.) > [I had to scale down the crisp original images for this list=E2=80=A6] >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 > On 2021-01-06, at 05:21, Martin J. D=C3=BCrst > wrote: >> >> clean SVG >=20 > Before svgcheck: >=20 >=20 > After svgcheck: >=20 >=20 > Much cleaner. =C2=A0SCNR. >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.= org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 From nobody Wed May 12 09:21:11 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045B23A0E71 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.082 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.082 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, PDS_TONAME_EQ_TOLOCAL_SHORT=1.997, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xaq4sU2omOND for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 09:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81F6B3A0E6F for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 09:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.1.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 14CGL1Sw004459 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:21:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1620836462; bh=VtMmW8Eo0dzz1afwNdNY7oh2vMXlMCjQkbAXJxFAMjU=; h=To:Reply-To:From:Subject:Date; b=LCPTUj8XgkPOFkaWxI20TuHsLktZvwyfkZfuQvy+de813c/9OjmI5NAkQoZwYmG0i uYBuQ3sQkFqMJBA2H2USQWzAIe+kZe3wkbP/Z7y/QZkiOUIX1uQc/hRPemRtyURC2M YTEU1Z3w+06n6xDvFOlnXlv6Oi+y0Xt+ede2DTO0= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.1.92] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: tools-discuss Reply-To: IETF Codesprints From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <26712579-e5c1-76cf-80e4-2c6d935e29e6@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 11:20:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Codesprints before IETF 111 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:21:10 -0000 We are planning to hold one or more codesprints before IETF 111. 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([2406:e003:100d:901:80b2:5c79:2266:e431]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x9sm1015655pfd.66.2021.05.12.21.24.14 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 May 2021 21:24:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian E Carpenter To: Carsten Bormann , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Interest References: <763b8195-6139-fb20-aa4e-2b4d89b5681c@gmail.com> <75d1b100-e761-e9bb-2ae0-02266c86b499@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <6BDFA0EA-D6F1-4443-B771-9B1A0AD56713@tzi.org> Message-ID: <550c00a4-171d-bf12-b1f5-51dcc639359c@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 16:24:11 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [rfc-i] What do do about SVG X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 04:24:22 -0000 Hi, After some investigation, I've understood that this particular problem=20 is because svgcheck doesn't allow

I still think that a subset is the right answer =96 = but let=92s pick one that is actually in use and supported.   SVG= Native - which is the subset of SVG used in SVG OpenType fonts.  = ; More details at https://github.com/a= dobe/svg-native-viewer

 

Leonard

 

From: rfc-interest <rf= c-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org> on behalf of HANSEN, TONY L <tony@= att.com>
Date: Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 8:29 AM
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Carsten B= ormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Tools Team Discussion <tools-discuss@ietf.o= rg>, RFC Interest <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc-i] [Tools-discuss] What do do about SVG=

On 5/13/2021, 12:24 AM, "rfc-interest on behalf= of Brian E Carpenter" <rfc-interest-bounces@rfc-editor.org on beha= lf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

    After some investigation, I've understood that this part= icular problem
    is because svgcheck doesn't allow <style> as a chi= ld of <svg>. Nor, after
    some experiments, as a child of <path>, even thoug= h the RelaxNG in
    RFC7996 appears to allow it. (Also, when <style> d= efines a color, and
    I patch svgcheck/word_properties.py to allow <style&g= t;, svgcheck doesn't
    seem to detect the color elements inside <style>.)=

    In the course of this I found another instance of a part= icular
    bug in svgcheck (failure to increment errorCount).

    So we have the facts that
    (a) svgcheck is buggy;
    (b) it doesn't implement the RelaxNG in RFC7996;
    (c) sadly, we lost the maintainer of the code;
    (d) our subset of TinySVG is very hard to generate with = most drawing tools;
    (e) experience shows that special SVG mangling programs = are needed to prepare files for inclusion in RFCs;
    (f) we've been told that TinySVG is no longer alive at W= 3C;
    (g) browsers appear to be fully competent at interpretin= g full SVG.

    How can we make progress on resolving this?

As an FYI, I see three maintainers listed for svgcheck at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fpypi.or= g%2Fproject%2Fsvgcheck%2F&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C7= 9979b75c21046b466a908d9160aacca%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%= 7C637565057435782514%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2= luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=3DVhSTZmdSAAtWY3W= ar%2BQUmWbczsCwt34AX6O98yqeF1k%3D&amp;reserved=3D0. Can we poke them to address some of these issues, in particular a&b? O= r provide them pull requests for the code?

d,e,f are somewhat intractable unless we throw it out entirely and move to = full SVG. g is one argument for that.

However, there were several reasons behind going with a subset, laid out in= section 2 of RFC 7996 and section 3.2 of RFC 6949. Any movement to support= a larger version of SVG needs to address these requirements first.

        Tony

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Jim Schaad did the production engineering on it, and I worked with him to make sure it was compliant with the RNC schema that appears in RFC 7996. I recently downloaded svgcheck (from the RFC Editor site, I think), that's version 0.6.0; I could work through that to fix the problems Brian reported. However, it will need someone on the Tools team to get the fixed version back into their repository. Please let me know if you'd like me to make the changes to svgcheck (it will take a week or two though). Cheers, Nevil On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 12:29 AM HANSEN, TONY L wrote: > > On 5/13/2021, 12:24 AM, "rfc-interest on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" wrote: > > After some investigation, I've understood that this particular problem > is because svgcheck doesn't allow

Oh =96 good point, Martin!   Missed that o= ne=85

 

Leonard

 

From: Martin J. D=FCrst &= lt;duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
Date: Friday, May 14, 2021 at 2:12 AM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, HANSEN, TONY L <= ;tony@att.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, C= arsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>, Tools Team Discussion <tools-discus= s@ietf.org>, RFC Interest <rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc-i] [Tools-discuss] What do do about SVG=



On 2021-05-13 21:58, Leonard Rosenthol wrote:
> I still think that a subset is the right answer =96 but let=92s pick o= ne that is actually in use and supported.   SVG Native - which is= the subset of SVG used in SVG OpenType fonts.   More details at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.= com%2Fadobe%2Fsvg-native-viewer&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.c= om%7C39a2ae849654466e56c808d9169f4e34%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C= 0%7C0%7C637565695747863299%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQ= IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DQZynnkObN= kbpKs8GtnCfnVADIT4aRWuoucX9oIQ%2FnpY%3D&amp;reserved=3D0
>
> Leonard

Sounds like a good idea at first. But then I read at
= https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.= com%2Fadobe%2Fsvg-native-viewer&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.c= om%7C39a2ae849654466e56c808d9169f4e34%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C= 0%7C0%7C637565695747863299%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQ= IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DQZynnkObN= kbpKs8GtnCfnVADIT4aRWuoucX9oIQ%2FnpY%3D&amp;reserved=3D0:

- No support for scripting, interactions, events, animations, filters,
masks, patterns, texts.

All of these are okay except the last one. It makes sense for SVG Open
Type (to describe glyphs in a font, text isn't needed), but it's crucial for drawings in RFCs.

Regards,   Martin.

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RjS On 5/14/21 8:10 AM, HANSEN, TONY L wrote: > Thank you, Nevil, Brian > > On 5/14/2021, 12:43 AM, "Brian E Carpenter" wrote: > > Hi Nevil, > > I'll write off list with the things I discovered. Some of it was quite > a long time ago, so I'll have to look back at my emails to Jim. > > One thing for now though. I'm illiterate in RelaxNG, but it seems > to me that

Hi there.  I’m one of those who wants Zulip to succeed.  Like most, however, I’m not up on the technical details.

 

Tim and Tim (heck, not unambiguous, nor is TimA :) know the technical details. I’ve CC’d both of them, anyway.

 

I know we’ve had some emails floating around about Zulip account issues and integrating with DataTracker.  I’m just trying to tie all the threads together in the “official place†so that we can bring this to a close and get it working.

In the spirit of moving some of those conversations to one place:

Datatracker integration with Zulip might be easier to solve than jabber or imap (we have some integration with the latter, but it's more custom than we should keep in the long run). It should be easy for the web client to use oidc. If the mobile client is using https underneath, it would probably be easy for it to use oidc as well. Are there other interfaces that need to be considered?

If oidc isn't an option architecturally, then I'd like to explore what might be.

In any case, I'd like to determine if we san set the displayed username and the email address displayed when you inspect someone in the Users list using data from the datatracker?

RjS

Thanks.  Let me know what I can do to help.

 

 


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I expect we can just make this work via OpenID Connect; the Zulip mobile apps are designed to support the web authentication flow, so if we can make it work on web, it'll work on mobile too (The terminal app doesn't support this flow yet, but it will). If someone can share details/documentation on what exactly DataTracker implements and how to get a sandbox that can be developed against, Mateusz can look at what needs to happen to support it in Zulip. It might be only a couple days' work if we have a way to test; a typical new authentication backend for something supported by python-social-auth is 150 lines of code, of which maybe 30 implement it and the rest are tests and documentation. (I imagine that it'd work like our Google auth integration, prepopulating the name and email address when someone makes an account). -Tim Abbott On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:33 PM Robert Sparks wrote: > > On 5/18/21 1:24 PM, Salz, Rich wrote: > > Hi there. I=E2=80=99m one of those who wants Zulip to succeed. Like mos= t, > however, I=E2=80=99m not up on the technical details. > > > > Tim and Tim (heck, not unambiguous, nor is TimA :) know the technical > details. I=E2=80=99ve CC=E2=80=99d both of them, anyway. > > > > I know we=E2=80=99ve had some emails floating around about Zulip account = issues > and integrating with DataTracker. I=E2=80=99m just trying to tie all the= threads > together in the =E2=80=9Cofficial place=E2=80=9D so that we can bring thi= s to a close and > get it working. > > In the spirit of moving some of those conversations to one place: > > Datatracker integration with Zulip might be easier to solve than jabber o= r > imap (we have some integration with the latter, but it's more custom than > we should keep in the long run). It should be easy for the web client to > use oidc. If the mobile client is using https underneath, it would probab= ly > be easy for it to use oidc as well. Are there other interfaces that need = to > be considered? > > If oidc isn't an option architecturally, then I'd like to explore what > might be. > > In any case, I'd like to determine if we san set the displayed username > and the email address displayed when you inspect someone in the Users lis= t > using data from the datatracker? > > RjS > > Thanks. Let me know what I can do to help. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li= stinfo/tools-discuss > > --000000000000c4a2a905c2a5d11d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Adding Mateusz, who works on authentication backends for Z= ulip.

I expect we can just make this work via OpenID Con= nect; the Zulip mobile apps are designed to support the web authentication = flow, so if we can make it work on web, it'll work on mobile too (The t= erminal app doesn't support this flow yet, but it will).=C2=A0 If someo= ne can share details/documentation on what exactly DataTracker implements a= nd how to get a=C2=A0sandbox that can be developed against, Mateusz can loo= k at what needs to happen to support it in Zulip.=C2=A0 It might be only a = couple days' work if we have a way to test; a typical new authenticatio= n backend for something supported by python-social-auth is 150 lines of cod= e, of which maybe 30 implement it and the rest are tests and documentation.=

(I imagine that it'd work like our Google aut= h integration, prepopulating the name and email address when someone makes = an account).

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 -Tim Abbott


On T= ue, May 18, 2021 at 3:33 PM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
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On 5/18/21 1:24 PM, Salz, Rich wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Hi there.=C2= =A0 I=E2=80=99m one of those who wants Zulip to succeed.=C2=A0 Like= most, however, I=E2=80=99m not up on the technical details.=

=C2=A0=

Tim and Tim (heck, not unambiguous, nor is TimA :) know the technical details. I=E2=80=99ve CC=E2=80=99d both of them, anyway.=

=C2=A0=

I know we=E2= =80=99ve had some emails floating around about Zulip account issues and integrating with DataTracker.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m just trying= to tie all the threads together in the =E2=80=9Cofficial place=E2=80= =9D so that we can bring this to a close and get it working.

In the spirit of moving some of those conversations to one place:

Datatracker integration with Zulip might be easier to solve than jabber or imap (we have some integration with the latter, but it'= s more custom than we should keep in the long run). It should be easy for the web client to use oidc. If the mobile client is using https underneath, it would probably be easy for it to use oidc as well. Are there other interfaces that need to be considered?

If oidc isn't an option architecturally, then I'd like to ex= plore what might be.

In any case, I'd like to determine if we san set the displayed username and the email address displayed when you inspect someone in the Users list using data from the datatracker?

RjS

Thanks.=C2=A0= Let me know what I can do to help.

=C2=A0=

=C2=A0= 


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The general answer to the questions can be seen (with a little knowledge of oidc) at https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/openid/.well-known/openid-configuration RjS On 5/18/21 9:45 PM, Tim Abbott wrote: > Adding Mateusz, who works on authentication backends for Zulip. > > I expect we can just make this work via OpenID Connect; the Zulip > mobile apps are designed to support the web authentication flow, so if > we can make it work on web, it'll work on mobile too (The terminal app > doesn't support this flow yet, but it will).  If someone can share > details/documentation on what exactly DataTracker implements and how > to get a sandbox that can be developed against, Mateusz can look at > what needs to happen to support it in Zulip.  It might be only a > couple days' work if we have a way to test; a typical new > authentication backend for something supported by python-social-auth > is 150 lines of code, of which maybe 30 implement it and the rest are > tests and documentation. > > (I imagine that it'd work like our Google auth integration, > prepopulating the name and email address when someone makes an account). > >         -Tim Abbott > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:33 PM Robert Sparks > wrote: > > > On 5/18/21 1:24 PM, Salz, Rich wrote: >> >> Hi there.  I’m one of those who wants Zulip to succeed.  Like >> most, however, I’m not up on the technical details. >> >> Tim and Tim (heck, not unambiguous, nor is TimA :) know the >> technical details. I’ve CC’d both of them, anyway. >> >> I know we’ve had some emails floating around about Zulip account >> issues and integrating with DataTracker. I’m just trying to tie >> all the threads together in the “official place†so that we can >> bring this to a close and get it working. >> > In the spirit of moving some of those conversations to one place: > > Datatracker integration with Zulip might be easier to solve than > jabber or imap (we have some integration with the latter, but it's > more custom than we should keep in the long run). It should be > easy for the web client to use oidc. If the mobile client is using > https underneath, it would probably be easy for it to use oidc as > well. Are there other interfaces that need to be considered? > > If oidc isn't an option architecturally, then I'd like to explore > what might be. > > In any case, I'd like to determine if we san set the displayed > username and the email address displayed when you inspect someone > in the Users list using data from the datatracker? > > RjS > >> Thanks. 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I'll set what's needed up and contact Mateusz and Tim directly with the details.

The general answer to the questions can be seen (with a little knowledge of oidc) at https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/openid/.well-known/openid-configuration

RjS

On 5/18/21 9:45 PM, Tim Abbott wrote:
Adding Mateusz, who works on authentication backends for Zulip.

I expect we can just make this work via OpenID Connect; the Zulip mobile apps are designed to support the web authentication flow, so if we can make it work on web, it'll work on mobile too (The terminal app doesn't support this flow yet, but it will).  If someone can share details/documentation on what exactly DataTracker implements and how to get a sandbox that can be developed against, Mateusz can look at what needs to happen to support it in Zulip.  It might be only a couple days' work if we have a way to test; a typical new authentication backend for something supported by python-social-auth is 150 lines of code, of which maybe 30 implement it and the rest are tests and documentation.

(I imagine that it'd work like our Google auth integration, prepopulating the name and email address when someone makes an account).

        -Tim Abbott


On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:33 PM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:


On 5/18/21 1:24 PM, Salz, Rich wrote:

Hi there.  I’m one of those who wants Zulip to succeed.  Like most, however, I’m not up on the technical details.

 

Tim and Tim (heck, not unambiguous, nor is TimA :) know the technical details. I’ve CC’d both of them, anyway.

 

I know we’ve had some emails floating around about Zulip account issues and integrating with DataTracker.  I’m just trying to tie all the threads together in the “official place†so that we can bring this to a close and get it working.

In the spirit of moving some of those conversations to one place:

Datatracker integration with Zulip might be easier to solve than jabber or imap (we have some integration with the latter, but it's more custom than we should keep in the long run). It should be easy for the web client to use oidc. If the mobile client is using https underneath, it would probably be easy for it to use oidc as well. Are there other interfaces that need to be considered?

If oidc isn't an option architecturally, then I'd like to explore what might be.

In any case, I'd like to determine if we san set the displayed username and the email address displayed when you inspect someone in the Users list using data from the datatracker?

RjS

Thanks.  Let me know what I can do to help.

 

 


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' 4: from /usr/local/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:23:in `load' 3: from /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:394:in `' 2: from /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:125:in `xml_from_sections' 1: from /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:94:in `yaml_load' /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/psych-4.0.0/lib/psych.rb:322:in `safe_load': wrong number of arguments (given 4, expected 1) (ArgumentError) Error: Unable to parse the XML document: /dev/stdin make: *** [lib/main.mk:69: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons.xml] Error 1 I think it's coming from kramdown-rfc2629, so that's why I'm asking here. I've deleted and re-cloned my repo, so any problems there would be visible at I'm sure I'm doing something obviously wrong, but I've been doing pretty much the same thing for a couple of years, so ... Best, Spencer --0000000000007f132805c2d9c0e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  • XML2RFC using sudo apt install python3 py= thon3-pip, then sudo pip3 install xml2rfc
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Error: Una= ble to parse the XML document: /dev/stdin =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
make: *** [lib/main.mk:69: draft-ietf-mo= ps-streaming-opcons.xml] Error 1=C2=A0

I think= it's coming from=C2=A0kramdown-rfc2629, so that's why I'm aski= ng here.=C2=A0

I've deleted and re-cloned= =C2=A0my repo, so any problems there would be visible at=C2=A0
I'm sure I'm doing something obviously wrong, but I= 9;ve been doing pretty much the=C2=A0same thing for a couple of years, so .= ..=C2=A0

Best,

Spencer
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' > 4: from /usr/local/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:23:in `load' > > 3: from > /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:394:in > `' > 2: from > /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:125:in > `xml_from_sections' > 1: from > /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:94:in > `yaml_load' > /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/psych-4.0.0/lib/psych.rb:322:in `safe_load': > wrong number of arguments (given 4, expected 1) (ArgumentError) > > Error: Unable to parse the XML document: /dev/stdin > > make: *** [lib/main.mk:69: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons.xml] Error 1 > > I think it's coming from kramdown-rfc2629, so that's why I'm asking here. > > I've deleted and re-cloned my repo, so any problems there would be visible > at > > I'm sure I'm doing something obviously wrong, but I've been doing pretty > much the same thing for a couple of years, so ... > > Best, > > Spencer > --0000000000007fe48e05c2da3a0a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And actually, I now see that this probably goes to ietf-ac= tion - sorry for intruding!

Spencer

On Fri, May 21,= 2021 at 11:42 AM Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
My apolog= ies for asking here, and if there's a better place to ask (or even to r= eport problems), please=C2=A0let me know.=C2=A0

I'm = running a new installation of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, and I installed=C2=A0
=
  • XML2RFC using sudo apt install python3 python3-pip, then sudo pip3 = install xml2rfc
  • kramdown-rfc2629 using apt install ruby ruby-dev ge= m make, then sudo gem install kramdown-rfc2629
I am now getti= ng this error using make from https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-templat= e (in a couple of local repos, so I don't think it's specific t= o my local repo).

cat draft-ietf-mops-s= treaming-opcons.md =C2=A0| kramdown-rfc2629 --v3 | lib/add-note.py | xml2rf= c -q --cache=3D/home/spencer/.cache/xml2rfc --v2v3 /dev/stdin -o draft-ietf= -mops-streaming-opcons.xml
=C2=A0Traceback (most recent call = last): =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A05: from /usr/local/= bin/kramdown-rfc2629:23:in `<main>' =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 4: from /usr/local/bin/kramdown-= rfc2629:23:in `load' =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 3: from /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-r= fc2629:394:in `<top (required)>' =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 2: from /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdo= wn-rfc2629:125:in `xml_from_sections' =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1: fr= om /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:94= :in `yaml_load' =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
/var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems= /psych-4.0.0/lib/psych.rb:322:in `safe_load': wrong number of arguments= (given 4, expected 1) (ArgumentError)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
Error: Una= ble to parse the XML document: /dev/stdin =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
make: *** [lib/main.mk:69<= /a>: draft-ietf-mops-streaming-opcons.xml] Error 1=C2=A0



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You seem to have picked up this newest version=E2=80=A6 I may be able to push a 1.4.13 later today that cooperates with this = newest version (I need to write code that detects this change but still = supports the Ruby versions found on, say, High Sierra). 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 18:35:08 -0000 --00000000000042a06b05c2db512f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carsten, On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:24 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 21. May 2021, at 18:42, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < > spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 1: from > /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/kramdown-rfc2629:94:= in > `yaml_load' > > /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/psych-4.0.0/lib/psych.rb:322:in `safe_load': > wrong number of arguments (given 4, expected 1) (ArgumentError) > > > This is a bit weird. > > Kramdown-rfc tries to be compatible with a range of Ruby versions, which > sometimes means that it uses older platform APIs. > > 8 days ago a change was pushed that removes the older API in the newest > version of the psych gem (4.0.0). > You seem to have picked up this newest version=E2=80=A6 > > I may be able to push a 1.4.13 later today that cooperates with this > newest version (I need to write code that detects this change but still > supports the Ruby versions found on, say, High Sierra). > Thank you a LOT for this, and for letting me know. I'm glad that I included enough detail to be helpful. I'm still not sure if this is the right place for me to have asked (and I'm happy to be pointed to the right place, if it's not), but I also entered this case at ietf-action. It's ticket {37514336}, if that gets routed to the tools team. Best, Spencer --00000000000042a06b05c2db512f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Carsten,

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:24 PM C= arsten Bormann <cabo@t= zi.org> wrote:
On 21. May 2021, at 18:42, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gm= ail.com> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A01: from /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/kramdown-rfc2629-1.4.12/bin/k= ramdown-rfc2629:94:in `yaml_load'=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
> /var/lib/gems/2.7.0/gems/psych-4.0.0/lib/psych.rb:322:in `safe_load= 9;: wrong number of arguments (given 4, expected 1) (ArgumentError)=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0

This is a bit weird.

Kramdown-rfc tries to be compatible with a range of Ruby versions, which so= metimes means that it uses older platform APIs.

8 days ago a change was pushed that removes the older API in the newest ver= sion of the psych gem (4.0.0).
You seem to have picked up this newest version=E2=80=A6

I may be able to push a 1.4.13 later today that cooperates with this newest= version (I need to write code that detects this change but still supports = the Ruby versions found on, say, High Sierra).

Thank you a LOT for this, and for letting me know. I'm glad tha= t I included enough detail to be helpful.

=C2=A0I&= #39;m still not sure if this is the right place for me to have asked (and I= 'm happy to be pointed to the right place, if it's not), but I also= entered this case at ietf-action. It's ticket {37514336}, if that gets= routed to the tools team.

Best,

Spencer

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Please just

gem = update

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


On 21. May 2021, at 20:24, Carsten Bormann = <cabo@tzi.org> = wrote:

I may be able = to push a 1.4.13 later today that cooperates with this newest version (I = need to write code that detects this change but still supports the Ruby = versions found on, say, High Sierra).

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 I'm still not sure if this is = the right place for me to have asked (and I'm happy to be pointed to the = right place, if it's not), but I also entered this case at ietf-action. = It's ticket {37514336}, if that gets routed to the tools = team.

This is = user-supported software, so the secretariat can=E2=80=99t help =E2=80=94 = tools-discuss is the right address (or rfc-markdown, if you already know = it=E2=80=99s a kramdown-rfc problem).

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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charset=us-ascii I find google for datatracker.ietf.org profile The first link on the returned page is = https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/rsalz@akamai.com Russ > On May 24, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Salz, Rich = wrote: >=20 > Is there a way to search for people on datatracker? Thoughts? Of = course, only logged-in people could do that. But I am recently finding = that it would be a useful way to find the current address for RFC = authors, for example. > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org = > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: = webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org = > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss = --Apple-Mail=_56F4D402-A2E3-48B2-B337-621F697B97BA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = find google for datatracker.ietf.org profile <name>

The first link on the = returned page is https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/rsalz@akamai.com
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Russ


On May 24, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Salz, Rich = <rsalz=3D40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Is there a way to search for people on datatracker? = Thoughts? Of course, only logged-in people could do that. But I am = recently finding that it would be a useful way to find the current = address for RFC authors, for example.
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= --Apple-Mail=_56F4D402-A2E3-48B2-B337-621F697B97BA-- From nobody Mon May 24 10:20:33 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B533A2FC1 for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 10:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v2U2xg4wnuuL for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 10:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EB063A2FD4 for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.9.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 14OHKKoc042191 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 24 May 2021 12:20:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1621876823; bh=ea8mPa1+hkGj5PDluCq3fBbtXzV9dXF696g0jRgbYTU=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=fBGlieLVIdy4EA/AKfM8A7pmxPtvfxRrm52FEHuQzG7ndukI2awPyXXxixOWsl8Ys ccsRi9ol9/RhDGL/Zbasl//vsemAavCbsyPenqtD/2YieMjKIMX4NHnFXyK/VWaSoG 31odYYBEUCwxnIvwuDzD0DtXxuW1Ms9Ycfb/Ie+4= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.9.176] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4A7F5957-2212-4C24-87DB-FBB981326D23@akamai.com> <75E281B8-0266-4C56-9EB2-4DF1F57D261F@vigilsec.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <04ce27da-a2cc-f7ae-bd13-aa490ddd2772@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:20:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <75E281B8-0266-4C56-9EB2-4DF1F57D261F@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DB8E65222025960BB7F484C1" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] searching for individuals on datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 17:20:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DB8E65222025960BB7F484C1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit See also https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/ticket/3011 On 5/24/21 12:06 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > I find google for datatracker.ietf.org > profile > > The first link on the returned page is > https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/rsalz@akamai.com > > > Russ > > >> On May 24, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Salz, Rich >> > > wrote: >> >> Is there a way to search for people on datatracker? Thoughts? Of >> course, only logged-in people could do that. But I am recently >> finding that it would be a useful way to find the current address for >> RFC authors, for example. >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs >> to:datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Reporttools.ietf.org bugs >> to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org >> >> List info (including how to >> Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------DB8E65222025960BB7F484C1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

See also https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/ticket/3011

On 5/24/21 12:06 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
I find google for datatracker.ietf.org profile <name>

The first link on the returned page is https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/rsalz@akamai.com

Russ


On May 24, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Is there a way to search for people on datatracker? Thoughts? Of course, only logged-in people could do that. But I am recently finding that it would be a useful way to find the current address for RFC authors, for example.
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--------------DB8E65222025960BB7F484C1-- From nobody Mon May 24 14:10:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E59D3A0969; Mon, 24 May 2021 14:10:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gjkRWlQD8eEI; Mon, 24 May 2021 14:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lateralus (unknown [124.197.12.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 023AD3A0963; Mon, 24 May 2021 14:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 09:10:36 +1200 From: Kesara Rathnayake To: "Salz, Rich" Cc: Jay Daley , Tools Discussion Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xgAUGWfCgEXLi3pK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] New Senior Software Development Engineer starts today X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 21:10:46 -0000 --xgAUGWfCgEXLi3pK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 11:19:45AM +0000, Salz, Rich wrote: > Welcome Kesara! >=20 Thanks all! Look forward to making contributions. Kesara --=20 Kesara Rathnayake Senior Software Development Engineer - IETF krathnayake@ietf.org PGP: A50D 9882 197F 431A 42F8 ACBB 985F 7788 DC6C 78FB --xgAUGWfCgEXLi3pK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GNU GPG iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEpQ2Yghl/QxpC+Ky7mF93iNxsePsFAmCsFj8ACgkQmF93iNxs ePsDeg//fePqwF9DTJP2gTuwt91Z3X988/1JH4QLXZ6dr5Isny6wq3LkKe+hOzit XyOqrbVlUjXb5lpxQMx9r7db7pRKWGRQSc98zalYgBeinAEefp0gg9ahS+odCcrr W8tbA8F6qVXm25Mg29Sutr//I74b/Wkflw3tjB/kKuN9fsk/rmqkNNBoTGnPYtNF pQDUnhzkeNireFljiygIvvaYjLPPBABCaHJ1AjlO3E9P0heSL0HcahRQsvvuAHKQ VzjhS122EqhGEYPZ/JEuT8G7AZwW4QPggkiF/n1JJ0rOslbLVbS7ab9K6hnoXmPq 8c611MJJRRigXKBaXywRqymBwA+p0vM9TZSJK8vOScaNJAy+FolZrgToaaiv53E+ 1ScdygsGTIivB41MRUhpoR00Qk5eZmK/4QlyYSbldMQ2d9VEQ9/s2NdTciKLI+Oa zrNJlLWvXu1hHVTHtzbU1FBo10fuHWH0X6ktv0m4VymolfhEUbQtuEOjYebt9gPl 6iEkajtql4SvY+JO8335V6jKLkT5kMHkzGUdyxeZwyyw7sda+7zGYWK2RZe0HHtZ aEB0LMRLSXPTPGJCZGSYnaCZ5fH+YK3IVxjVDrLjX5DoANUbp5a2uiRG7VypK7+K mrTEjWzuRefPSd2wazIyIGQMMh2K62ZvsDcctULO+dC7TRIhfMI= =Gj+P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xgAUGWfCgEXLi3pK-- From nobody Wed May 26 06:54:32 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18243A2F57 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 06:54:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4rD4004dz7QP for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33A3C3A2F51 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FqsrJ0nwBz316P; Wed, 26 May 2021 15:54:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6EA85E5F-3CE8-416B-A2FD-7816CAD9D101" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 643730063.598305-bd46483963336848f52ecdc928be2ab2 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 15:54:23 +0200 Message-Id: References: <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] bibxml8 and http:// (Fwd: Lars Eggert's No Objection on draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT)) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 13:54:31 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6EA85E5F-3CE8-416B-A2FD-7816CAD9D101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In a recent IESG ballot, Lars Eggert noted that bibxlm8 is still using = http:// URLs for the reference target: return ("\n".join([f"", (Line 219, 220 of bibxml8/index.cgi). I agree with him that this should now be https:// Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Lars Eggert via Datatracker > Subject: Lars Eggert's No Objection on = draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT) > Date: 2021-05-26 at 14:33:43 CEST > To: "The IESG" > Cc: draft-ietf-core-senml-versions@ietf.org, core-chairs@ietf.org, = core@ietf.org, jaime@iki.fi, jaime@iki.fi > Resent-From: > Resent-To: cabo@tzi.org, jaime@iki.fi, marco.tiloca@ri.se > Reply-To: Lars Eggert > Message-Id: <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com> >=20 >=20 > These URLs in the document can probably be converted to HTTPS: > * http://www.iana.org/assignments/senml = --Apple-Mail=_6EA85E5F-3CE8-416B-A2FD-7816CAD9D101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 In = a recent IESG ballot, Lars Eggert noted that bibxlm8 is still using = http:// URLs for the reference target:

      =   return ("\n".join([f"<reference = anchor=3D'{self.reference_number.upper()}'",
  =                     =      f" target=3D'http://www.iana.org/assignments/{self.reference_number}'>= ;",
(Line 219, 220 of bibxml8/index.cgi).

I agree with him that = this should now be https://

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


Begin forwarded = message:

From: = Lars Eggert via Datatracker = <noreply@ietf.org>
Subject: = Lars Eggert's No = Objection on draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT)
Date: = 2021-05-26 at 14:33:43 CEST
To: = "The IESG" <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: = draft-ietf-core-senml-versions@ietf.org, core-chairs@ietf.org, = core@ietf.org, jaime@iki.fi, jaime@iki.fi
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: = cabo@tzi.org, jaime@iki.fi, marco.tiloca@ri.se
Reply-To: = Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Message-Id: <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com><= br class=3D"">


These URLs in = the document can probably be converted to HTTPS:
* http://www.iana.org/assignments/senml

= --Apple-Mail=_6EA85E5F-3CE8-416B-A2FD-7816CAD9D101-- From nobody Wed May 26 08:14:34 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4BF3A3197 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z55YKCPBsiwR for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 076AF3A3199 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8284A300BE8 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 11:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ovuExyO8H4lu for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 11:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AC08300AFC; Wed, 26 May 2021 11:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Message-Id: <5056A810-C337-4F59-ADEA-01AFCCBBDBE3@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0169DDCE-B95E-4E1F-BA58-7BF97087D8B8" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.20\)) Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 11:14:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Tools Team Discussion To: Carsten Bormann References: <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibxml8 and http:// (Fwd: Lars Eggert's No Objection on draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT)) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 15:14:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0169DDCE-B95E-4E1F-BA58-7BF97087D8B8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 There is an RFP out for updated to bibxml. Hopefully this is easily = addressed under that effort. Russ > On May 26, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >=20 > In a recent IESG ballot, Lars Eggert noted that bibxlm8 is still using = http:// URLs for the reference target: >=20 > return ("\n".join([f" f" = target=3D'http://www.iana.org/assignments/{self.reference_number} = '>", > (Line 219, 220 of bibxml8/index.cgi). >=20 > I agree with him that this should now be https:// >=20 > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: Lars Eggert via Datatracker > >> Subject: Lars Eggert's No Objection on = draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT) >> Date: 2021-05-26 at 14:33:43 CEST >> To: "The IESG" > >> Cc: draft-ietf-core-senml-versions@ietf.org = , core-chairs@ietf.org = , core@ietf.org , = jaime@iki.fi , jaime@iki.fi >> Resent-From: > >> Resent-To: cabo@tzi.org , jaime@iki.fi = , marco.tiloca@ri.se >> Reply-To: Lars Eggert > >> Message-Id: <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com = > >>=20 >>=20 >> These URLs in the document can probably be converted to HTTPS: >> * http://www.iana.org/assignments/senml = > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --Apple-Mail=_0169DDCE-B95E-4E1F-BA58-7BF97087D8B8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 There= is an RFP out for updated to bibxml.  Hopefully this is easily = addressed under that effort.

Russ

On May 26, 2021, at 9:54 AM, = Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:

In a recent IESG = ballot, Lars Eggert noted that bibxlm8 is still using http:// URLs for = the reference target:

        return = ("\n".join([f"<reference = anchor=3D'{self.reference_number.upper()}'",
  =                     =      f" target=3D'http://www.iana.org/assignments/{self.reference_number}'>= ;",
(Line 219, 220 of bibxml8/index.cgi).

I agree with him that = this should now be https://

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


Begin forwarded = message:

From: Lars Eggert via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org>
Subject: = Lars Eggert's No = Objection on draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT)
Date: 2021-05-26 at 14:33:43 CEST
To: "The IESG" <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-core-senml-versions@ietf.org, core-chairs@ietf.org, = core@ietf.org, jaime@iki.fi, jaime@iki.fi
Resent-From: = <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: cabo@tzi.org, = jaime@iki.fi, marco.tiloca@ri.se
Reply-To: = Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Message-Id: = <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com><= br class=3D"">


These URLs in = the document can probably be converted to HTTPS:
* http://www.iana.org/assignments/senml

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= --Apple-Mail=_0169DDCE-B95E-4E1F-BA58-7BF97087D8B8-- From nobody Wed May 26 08:34:13 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BB33A322E for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:34:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5xStJy7OZYpx for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB7563A3226 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Fqw3J4wywz316Y; Wed, 26 May 2021 17:34:04 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <5056A810-C337-4F59-ADEA-01AFCCBBDBE3@vigilsec.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 17:34:04 +0200 Cc: Tools Team Discussion X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 643736044.307448-4559f6f5241cbb8a75b01b13a47ee464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com> <5056A810-C337-4F59-ADEA-01AFCCBBDBE3@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] bibxml8 and http:// (Fwd: Lars Eggert's No Objection on draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT)) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 15:34:12 -0000 On 2021-05-26, at 17:14, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 > There is an RFP out for updated to bibxml. Hopefully this is easily = addressed under that effort. I=E2=80=99m looking forward to this. In the meantime, maybe someone could place that =E2=80=9Cs=E2=80=9D = before the colon in line 220 of bibxml8/index.cgi=E2=80=A6 Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >=20 > Russ >=20 >> On May 26, 2021, at 9:54 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: >>=20 >> In a recent IESG ballot, Lars Eggert noted that bibxlm8 is still = using http:// URLs for the reference target: >>=20 >> return ("\n".join([f"> f" = target=3D'http://www.iana.org/assignments/{self.reference_number}'>", >> (Line 219, 220 of bibxml8/index.cgi). >>=20 >> I agree with him that this should now be https:// >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>=20 >>=20 >>> Begin forwarded message: >>>=20 >>> From: Lars Eggert via Datatracker >>> Subject: Lars Eggert's No Objection on = draft-ietf-core-senml-versions-03: (with COMMENT) >>> Date: 2021-05-26 at 14:33:43 CEST >>> To: "The IESG" >>> Cc: draft-ietf-core-senml-versions@ietf.org, core-chairs@ietf.org, = core@ietf.org, jaime@iki.fi, jaime@iki.fi >>> Resent-From: >>> Resent-To: cabo@tzi.org, jaime@iki.fi, marco.tiloca@ri.se >>> Reply-To: Lars Eggert >>> Message-Id: <162203242344.29582.10148358869813812866@ietfa.amsl.com> >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> These URLs in the document can probably be converted to HTTPS: >>> * http://www.iana.org/assignments/senml >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Wed May 26 10:50:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3143A12F1 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 10:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2g2OvXhOQyo3 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 10:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348BD3A12ED for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 10:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69207548004 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 19:50:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 60EB84E75A5; Wed, 26 May 2021 19:50:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 19:50:01 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 17:50:13 -0000 So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ and global change is clearly part of the BCP. But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has quite a few aliases created). Cheers Toerless From nobody Wed May 26 13:12:01 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47343A1304 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 13:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.08 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.08 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fNGv5sXQVo5H for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 13:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E66D3A1302 for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 13:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.9.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 14QKBpKC024743 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 26 May 2021 15:11:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1622059911; bh=9QA3eoMYfZMr1ABgDVBrgtoIkNWJbjieQkUn3j53aRo=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=MSyBcsjxPtXZFbFahoPFN7oeQSE17zghSPZSIlUvoapL6dKKV67rbq51Qg22YGgUU QbFeJfWITEMoeNqZqwxlXIPcrFCVogR0eAmO6GRSdp6k4lbGSBLbllMtlA2SJ8Lkgh vg43QUwOPzFwgZpNHquNO+BXEeDvIydQC8bs3akI= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.9.176] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 15:11:45 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 20:12:00 -0000 The draft-*@ietf.org and -chairs@ietf.org aliases are regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next generation. RjS On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. > > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. > > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change > the email adress on those draft aliases ? 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 23:49:16 -0000 --000000000000dc25e805c34449b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Robert, I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-@ietf.org to be directed at both. But, as I see it, the datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do you of any plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker? Regards, Greg On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks wrote: > The draft-*@ietf.org and -chairs@ietf.org aliases are > regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). > > If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the > datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next > generation. > > RjS > > On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just > > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am > > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. > > > > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ > > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. > > > > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email > > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't > > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there > > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change > > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has > > quite a few aliases created). > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --000000000000dc25e805c34449b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Robert,
I've chosen to list two email addresses= , the feature that is supported in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addre= ssed to draft-<foo>@ietf.org to be di= rected at both. But, as I see it, the datatracker uses only one, whichever = is listed first. Do you of any plans to modify that behavior in the datatra= cker?

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, May 26,= 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks <= rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
The draft-<foo>*@ietf.org and <acronym>-chairs@ietf.org aliases a= re
regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly).

If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the
datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next
generation.

RjS

On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just
> contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am
> right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. >
> So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/<= ;email address>
> and global change is clearly part of the BCP.
>
> But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the emai= l
> addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don'= ;t
> even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is th= ere
> any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has
> quite a few aliases created).
>
> Cheers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Toerless
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org<= br> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org
> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org
> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss

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--000000000000dc25e805c34449b1-- From nobody Thu May 27 07:40:40 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E1C3A1085 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:40:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.078 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.078 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SG2x4dh1aY4Z for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC6AF3A1084 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.9.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 14REeNEm039718 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 May 2021 09:40:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1622126424; bh=9qMeoL6DmLnUESPhIuCFCnXnbUjjiXIsUFPf8/DJT7U=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=un+rMq+l5/RZSmxVLtRF1nL8R36/zeKd7FifBBIfuiDscCQvQv9XcpCnJ9zDh/MsY rrBkjeTc/5va1pT/WSnN6UO/8cUyI76daooJvHHcG+ELmI4Be9w5/88gvyIeE1DCH5 R6dRD7FPaKPyW4EkqBVjrWuckRTzy1cg+tUq/YNE= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.9.176] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: Greg Mirsky Cc: Tools Team Discussion References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <30d455b5-5d0f-28c9-01a5-5a442bb3152f@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 09:40:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9C38E5685300BFF1F171C267" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 14:40:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9C38E5685300BFF1F171C267 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the marked primary email address. We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuration or something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large change to do so. What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresses to the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresses there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will appear in the draft--notify and draft--all aliases. RjS On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hi Robert, > I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported > in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to > draft-@ietf.org to be directed at both. But, as > I see it, the datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do > you of any plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker? > > Regards, > Greg > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks > wrote: > > The draft-*@ietf.org and > -chairs@ietf.org aliases are > regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). > > If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the > datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next > generation. > > RjS > > On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just > > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am > > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. > > > > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ > > > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. > > > > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change > the email > > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't > > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. > Is there > > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change > > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has > > quite a few aliases created). > > > > Cheers > >      Toerless > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------9C38E5685300BFF1F171C267 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the marked primary email address.

We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuration or something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large change to do so.

What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresses to the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresses there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will appear in the draft-<name>-notify and draft-<name>-all aliases.

RjS


On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote:
Hi Robert,
I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-<foo>@ietf.org to be directed at both. But, as I see it, the datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do you of any plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker?

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
The draft-<foo>*@ietf.org and <acronym>-chairs@ietf.org aliases are
regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly).

If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the
datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next
generation.

RjS

On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just
> contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am
> right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it.
>
> So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/<email address>
> and global change is clearly part of the BCP.
>
> But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email
> addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't
> even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there
> any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change
> the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has
> quite a few aliases created).
>
> Cheers
>      Toerless
>
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> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
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--------------9C38E5685300BFF1F171C267-- From nobody Thu May 27 07:52:07 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8FC3A0BC1 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3yTnVDzIQRG9 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26AB83A10C5 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C360548017; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 157474E75BA; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:51:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 16:51:54 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Robert Sparks Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210527145154.GO3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 14:52:06 -0000 Ah, ok... Algo sounds ok. Thanks for explaining. I think the last collaborators where i had the problem might not have/had datatracker accounts. Luckily th next one will be fine then wrt to this issue. Guess there is still the problem of one not being able to update one's own draft without help from others after having changed affiliations and hence not being able to validate the dataracker upload approval email on the old email. Or is there an algo for that as well ? Cheers Toerless On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 03:11:45PM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > The draft-*@ietf.org and -chairs@ietf.org aliases are > regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). > > If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the > datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next > generation. > > RjS > > On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just > > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am > > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. > > > > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ > > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. > > > > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email > > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't > > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there > > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change > > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has > > quite a few aliases created). > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu May 27 07:55:30 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED063A117F for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.08 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.08 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ltxRIq85lfgx for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCBE3A117E for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.9.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 14REtNms044928 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 09:55:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1622127324; bh=IjXyEWk/omKUhYcyVlinzzDq+TY43q5ycCDbmDVokd4=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Nsifl4bnECOKtlgKozLeBqmkyr++S+UOu0YZt2ryvEeIkzvecZgXw/F0Sc0mGvKWG /mhXDIMQIF2byZ6IJ8qIJrr/q5uF3A5FJthqsTsGE/eMmM3CFT8aX+uVOdqf7Yugth E4Fa81lTYcO5V+Rcg6pDCb+ylqEps73PfR+ZswGk= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.9.176] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> <20210527145154.GO3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <2b774420-76f3-a0b4-69d7-c0428792d05e@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 09:55:18 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210527145154.GO3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 14:55:30 -0000 On 5/27/21 9:51 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Ah, ok... > > Algo sounds ok. Thanks for explaining. > > I think the last collaborators where i had the problem might not have/had > datatracker accounts. Luckily th next one will be fine then wrt to this issue. > > > Guess there is still the problem of one not being able to update one's > own draft without help from others after having changed affiliations and > hence not being able to validate the dataracker upload approval email > on the old email. Or is there an algo for that as well ? If you can still log into the datatracker, you can add new email addresses for yourself, and leave others either marked as active, or inactive, and those addresses will be recognized as you during submission. RjS > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 03:11:45PM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: >> The draft-*@ietf.org and -chairs@ietf.org aliases are >> regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). >> >> If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the >> datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next >> generation. >> >> RjS >> >> On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>> So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just >>> contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am >>> right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. >>> >>> So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ >>> and global change is clearly part of the BCP. >>> >>> But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email >>> addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't >>> even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there >>> any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change >>> the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has >>> quite a few aliases created). >>> >>> Cheers >>> Toerless >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu May 27 08:35:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605373A1380 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.869 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rn8_rA1V6opZ for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C91E33A137B for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F317548017; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:35:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 978534E75BB; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:35:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 17:35:42 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Robert Sparks Cc: Greg Mirsky , Tools Team Discussion Message-ID: <20210527153542.GQ3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> <30d455b5-5d0f-28c9-01a5-5a442bb3152f@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <30d455b5-5d0f-28c9-01a5-5a442bb3152f@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 15:35:53 -0000 Cool! So, is changing email on https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf still necessary, or would all those subscriptions be also changed when changing datatracker preferred email ? Cheers Toerless On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 09:40:18AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the marked > primary email address. > > We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuration or > something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large change > to do so. > > What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresses to > the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresses > there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will appear > in the draft--notify and draft--all aliases. > > RjS > > > On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported > > in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-@ietf.org > > to be directed at both. But, as I see it, the > > datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do you of any > > plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker? > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks > > wrote: > > > > The draft-*@ietf.org and > > -chairs@ietf.org aliases are > > regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). > > > > If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the > > datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next > > generation. > > > > RjS > > > > On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just > > > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am > > > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. > > > > > > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ > > > > > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. > > > > > > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change > > the email > > > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't > > > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. > > Is there > > > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change > > > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has > > > quite a few aliases created). > > > > > > Cheers > > >      Toerless > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu May 27 08:42:45 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C473A13D4 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.232 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.232 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kXsMtaZ5ye8z for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (minerva.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2a01:7e00::3d:b000]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 595D63A13D3 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (desktop4.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.16]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F09D1F47D for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 8261A1A02B1; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "Follow That Page" message dated "Wed, 26 May 2021 16:44:49 +0200." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 11:42:36 -0400 Message-ID: <32981.1622130156@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Changes in 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Michael%20Richardson' X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 15:42:43 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, so RFC8995 just go published, and so my profile page was updated. I was surprised to see: + rfc8995 May 2021 Bootstrapping Remote Secure Key Infrastructure (BRSKI) + Cited by 13 RFCs 13? Already? Since Friday? WOW. Surely, that's not correct. Some of the citations are informative references from existing RFCs to the = ID. The DT maps that through to the RFC... okay. I wonder if that should be split up as normative references (from RFCs), informative references (from RFCs), and references from IDs? =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAmCvvewACgkQlUzhVv38 QpCjugf/bWV4xzOWxR53HwKqJYS5SLSjdIYd7ufiDS+F1TyQWiVL7UL+wCgxZtu8 aejKOW5wxnaLf0P64Yjl5/Hc+jyjLouxFz/OCkUoe/aiY6ichJ/XCTJy0f+/EqCH phGQQd8YvJf/bH4pfAYTN7mv5BXEs1Tdgc/3LkCMVRTQko1AmA5XLU1ygyik6JRK ALRDtD2aomPS01e6IBLD4Fj+yt3EGjophE8XALYIX5sR1TYK36R6qKm+jgoXeQba lTq83FuIK5wgQfFxY1/RakIxXSZ03ZIYNaKz9JqFaAPtIl2qTPYcbZ7BzsxLdW4J DqTs9PLDmshRI9Lj1hxxVhwcnXUrkg== =QV1O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 27 08:50:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AD93A141D for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:50:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.282 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.282 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.398, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ap0y5G0ZylyC for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 558BC3A141C for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.9.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 14RFnZbQ063321 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 May 2021 10:49:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1622130575; bh=RgDkHy8zMA6DK/cvLNPfBegSrdirinp9aHSbyhA36V8=; h=To:Cc:References:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ekZmVZL7e5fdXqpHx4yKy2TIeOgMm8Mg5RfjI3+qSSx+Ihn5KpjP0ARJSBUWPKCnq RfejVvtUTv1WBF0mRCeRy5gcr4js3fSY2Cs+JuSkLz08SEspBk1yz+qs3RBCdvW5bD dqzwLwhya+C02B/Xx2mCmIA0Ak9cvFiKlnrlh55w= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.9.176] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: Toerless Eckert Cc: Greg Mirsky , Tools Team Discussion References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> <30d455b5-5d0f-28c9-01a5-5a442bb3152f@nostrum.com> <20210527153542.GQ3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 10:49:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210527153542.GQ3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 15:50:01 -0000 On 5/27/21 10:35 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Cool! > > So, is changing email on https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf stil= l necessary, > or would all those subscriptions be also changed when changing datatrac= ker preferred email ? It's still necessary to manage mailman separately. In the long run we're looking at more integration, but that isn't likely = to happen until we move to mailman3 (which is still not looking to be a=20 trivial move). RjS > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 09:40:18AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: >> No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the mar= ked >> primary email address. >> >> We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuratio= n or >> something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large ch= ange >> to do so. >> >> What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresse= s to >> the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresse= s >> there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will = appear >> in the draft--notify and draft--all aliases. >> >> RjS >> >> >> On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: >>> Hi Robert, >>> I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supporte= d >>> in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-@ietf.o= rg >>> to be directed at both. But, as I see it, the >>> datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do you of any >>> plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Greg >>> >>> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks >> > wrote: >>> >>> The draft-*@ietf.org and >>> -chairs@ietf.org aliases are >>> regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). >>> >>> If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the= >>> datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the n= ext >>> generation. >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>> > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just >>> > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and = i am >>> > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal wit= h it. >>> > >>> > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ >>> >>> > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. >>> > >>> > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change >>> the email >>> > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i= don't >>> > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresse= s. >>> Is there >>> > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk c= hange >>> > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft= has >>> > quite a few aliases created). >>> > >>> > Cheers >>> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Toerless >>> > >>> > ___________________________________________________________ >>> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> >>> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug re= ports. >>> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >>> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> >>> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug repo= rts. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >>> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@iet= f.org >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailma= n/listinfo/tools-discuss >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf= =2Eorg >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman= /listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu May 27 08:54:26 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590AD3A145A for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0q-RPG84xVtI for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A505B3A1451 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F74C548015; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 540244E75BB; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 17:54:14 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Robert Sparks Cc: Greg Mirsky , Tools Team Discussion Message-ID: <20210527155414.GS3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> <30d455b5-5d0f-28c9-01a5-5a442bb3152f@nostrum.com> <20210527153542.GQ3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 15:54:25 -0000 Would be great to capture these three data points somewhere. Maybe add an info paragraph to https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/profile/ "Change of affiliation / retiring a (primary) email" - auto-update of datatracker generated emails (draft-*@ietf.org) - auto-recognition of new email for approval of new draft submissions - mailman URL for update of any self-created mailing list subscriptions Cheers toerless On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:49:29AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > > On 5/27/21 10:35 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Cool! > > > > So, is changing email on https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf still necessary, > > or would all those subscriptions be also changed when changing datatracker preferred email ? > > It's still necessary to manage mailman separately. > > In the long run we're looking at more integration, but that isn't likely to > happen until we move to mailman3 (which is still not looking to be a trivial > move). > > RjS > > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 09:40:18AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > > > No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the marked > > > primary email address. > > > > > > We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuration or > > > something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large change > > > to do so. > > > > > > What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresses to > > > the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresses > > > there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will appear > > > in the draft--notify and draft--all aliases. > > > > > > RjS > > > > > > > > > On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > > > > Hi Robert, > > > > I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported > > > > in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-@ietf.org > > > > to be directed at both. But, as I see it, the > > > > datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do you of any > > > > plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The draft-*@ietf.org and > > > > -chairs@ietf.org aliases are > > > > regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). > > > > > > > > If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the > > > > datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next > > > > generation. > > > > > > > > RjS > > > > > > > > On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just > > > > > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am > > > > > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. > > > > > > > > > > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ > > > > > > > > > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. > > > > > > > > > > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change > > > > the email > > > > > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't > > > > > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. > > > > Is there > > > > > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change > > > > > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has > > > > > quite a few aliases created). > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > >      Toerless > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > > > > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > > > > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu May 27 09:58:13 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857403A09E7 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 09:58:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pwudlxmz5HPh for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 09:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E78A43A09E9 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.48.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FrYsm1r3nz3169; Thu, 27 May 2021 18:58:04 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <32981.1622130156@dooku> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 18:58:03 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 643827483.87051-9c3a0b6fd801d5e78a3a53b5d2cc1cee Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <10F688EE-C077-4658-AA09-1319C92AE17C@tzi.org> References: <32981.1622130156@dooku> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Changes in 'https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Michael%20Richardson' X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 16:58:12 -0000 > On 2021-05-27, at 17:42, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part >=20 > Hi, so RFC8995 just go published, and so my profile page was updated. > I was surprised to see: >=20 > + rfc8995 May 2021 Bootstrapping Remote Secure Key Infrastructure = (BRSKI) > + Cited by 13 RFCs >=20 > 13? Already? Since Friday? WOW. > Surely, that's not correct. It actually is. Works as designed. And congrats to the widely cited RFC. > Some of the citations are informative references from existing RFCs to = the ID. > The DT maps that through to the RFC... okay. Indeed. > I wonder if that should be split up as normative references (from = RFCs), > informative references (from RFCs), and references from IDs? Well, the number 13 only includes RFCs, so the split from I-Ds citing = the RFC is already done. I agree that splitting normative from informative references would be a = nice new feature. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu May 27 11:44:50 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E510A3A11DD for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:44:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E5XuHLqPYo2m for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 348273A11DC for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679E2181C7 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 14:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id l6LjKbM0oflM for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 14:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01461803E for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E28E7 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 07:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 18:44:49 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the PDFs are paginated, why doesn't the Table of Contents in the PDF, ha= ve page numbers? Yes, they are linked. But, that's useless if you actually dump it to tree-ware. Consider, for instance, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8995.pdf =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmCvg8YACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUPTAf+Kt5ZVRurWtmAPnRTWr6kVA9HLpXJWZ0MpYE2IxNO9sozbL5duhI4I730 6xxAQWwgVb14rCiAC9GwCmNxTvFtac0B3jl3AfTTRZUAS+0e2WfH9VecQJ5nnXJ3 LR810ndrBrrnKnuR9ulTpFZUkQhlZdW6HMzwfShzbEC0SnH82cZepw4Aal172Gk+ tkR1HRDIpio3sM7eGdJ3kMOfC8nRK2LNy1gfJi0D2eOgBldcG1EtUBNl60jVMfy0 vO35vZwBrtkO2LN7qPQQCFBDe7km41KYnTbk7bg4mhAai3MI4iwuuqRe5DMNT8q1 1jSONjfBRo1FPMLoNb90rB5ShfGHug== =hMdO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 27 11:51:10 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7518E3A0035 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.869 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HsU-5vFisMYx for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA2A83A122B for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EEE548015; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 6AA1A4E75BE; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:50:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:50:57 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Michael Richardson Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210527185057.GW3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <27379.1622115270@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 18:51:10 -0000 We had this discussion recurringly last year, and it seems that the lovers of page numbers need to get together and write an RFC adopted by the community, or else nothing will change. Would be an update to the RFC about the new RC posting format whose text is interpreted by the tools team to say "no-page-numbers", not even in TOC of PDF. Thats my understanding. If there is an easier way to get page numbers into TOCs of PDF, that would be great. Cheers Toerless On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 07:34:30AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > If the PDFs are paginated, why doesn't the Table of Contents in the PDF, have > page numbers? Yes, they are linked. > But, that's useless if you actually dump it to tree-ware. > > Consider, for instance, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8995.pdf > > -- > Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > From nobody Thu May 27 11:51:47 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C3B3A0045 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_FAIL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z17xj6EknyBs for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 694623A003F for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 11:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.48.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FrcNn33yRz316L; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:51:37 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <27379.1622115270@localhost> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:51:37 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 643834296.92931-34a71af594f02f2cc70505ec90d9c702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> To: Michael Richardson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 18:51:46 -0000 On 2021-05-27, at 13:34, Michael Richardson = wrote: >=20 > But, that's useless if you actually dump it to tree-ware. It=E2=80=99s almost Friday, so here goes: Maybe we need to add to the boilerplate: > Please consider the environment before dumping RFCs on dead trees. > Since we already did that for you, we made it deliberately hard for = you to use tree-based copies of RFCs. [SCNR, no such intention actually implied] Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten PS.:=20 I stopped using paper around the turn of the century. I still would like to have page numbers! 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Not for printing, but when I look at a new draft, it quickly tells me how long it is. I don't see any downside to adding page numbers to the TOC. Bob On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 11:51 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2021-05-27, at 13:34, Michael Richardson wrote= : > > > > But, that's useless if you actually dump it to tree-ware. > > It=E2=80=99s almost Friday, so here goes: > > Maybe we need to add to the boilerplate: > > > Please consider the environment before dumping RFCs on dead trees. > > Since we already did that for you, we made it deliberately hard for you > to use tree-based copies of RFCs. > > [SCNR, no such intention actually implied] > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > PS.: > I stopped using paper around the turn of the century. > I still would like to have page numbers! > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --0000000000006743cc05c3546b18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would also like the page numbers in the TOC.

Not for printing, but when I look at a new draft, it quickly tells = me how long it is.

I don't see any=C2=A0downsi= de to adding page numbers to the TOC. =C2=A0

Bob


On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 11:51 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2021-05-27, at 13:34, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wro= te:
>
> But, that's useless if you actually dump it to tree-ware.

It=E2=80=99s almost Friday, so here goes:

Maybe we need to add to the boilerplate:

> Please consider the environment before dumping RFCs on dead trees.
> Since we already did that for you, we made it deliberately hard for yo= u to use tree-based copies of RFCs.

[SCNR, no such intention actually implied]

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

PS.:
I stopped using paper around the turn of the century.
I still would like to have page numbers!

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--0000000000006743cc05c3546b18-- From nobody Thu May 27 12:13:07 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECD13A0874 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rBDwIPOJkXgb for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3202B3A0870 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0113548004; Thu, 27 May 2021 21:12:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id A82904E75BF; Thu, 27 May 2021 21:12:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 21:12:55 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210527191255.GX3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 19:13:07 -0000 To actually go back to the root problem, and this is all just revival of 2020 discussions: A) We wanted to make sure there can be multiple renderings of RFCs. They will not have consistent page numbers. B) We have to avoid the collapse of the Internet, that would happen with A) and the fact that references such as "see RFCxxx page NN", would lead to implementers writing code for completely wrong pages of reference RFCs. The problem with that logic is of course what i call "the terrorists always win": someone does something malicious, or as in this case just less-well-educated, and then new rules are made to let everyone suffer for it. Most of them not even understanding why or for no good reason. IMHO: For future RFCs to be, it is easy for RFC editor to prohibit references to page numbers of RFC, but instead use correct RFC#/section/paragraph. For third-party document i would be happy to have a new disclaimer added to each RFC rendering that includes page numbers: "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document itself". Cheers Toerless On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 08:51:37PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2021-05-27, at 13:34, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > But, that's useless if you actually dump it to tree-ware. > > It???s almost Friday, so here goes: > > Maybe we need to add to the boilerplate: > > > Please consider the environment before dumping RFCs on dead trees. > > Since we already did that for you, we made it deliberately hard for you to use tree-based copies of RFCs. > > [SCNR, no such intention actually implied] > > Grüße, Carsten > > PS.: > I stopped using paper around the turn of the century. > I still would like to have page numbers! > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu May 27 12:18:38 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8650E3A091C for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:18:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_FAIL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id baguMOiDLdl6 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D2433A091B for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.48.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Frczn34fwz3168; Thu, 27 May 2021 21:18:29 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20210527185057.GW3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 21:18:29 +0200 Cc: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 643835909.119249-2556c010569f1094e71489c9a23c90ad Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <71809401-C8A7-43D6-829C-2D665FEA9F7D@tzi.org> References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> <20210527185057.GW3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 19:18:38 -0000 On 2021-05-27, at 20:50, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > Thats my understanding. If there is an easier way to get page numbers = into TOCs > of PDF, that would be great. A first step might be a patch for xml2rfc. Note that xml2rfc can already put pagination in TXT, which is an option = that needs to be explicitly specified. https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/xml2rfc-doc.html#section-b.7-1.11 This apparently was possible to do without changing RFCXXXX. https://trac.ietf.org/trac/xml2rfc/ticket/558 seems to imply this cannot be done for PDF in the current architecture = of xml2rfc. Having used troff extensively for a quarter of a decade, I can = authoritatively confirm that it sure can be done, at the cost of double = (*) the processing time. (One implementation of the concept is called a =E2=80=9Cside file=E2=80=9D= , and, no, that cannot be googled, but every TeX user knows it.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten (*) and, occasionally, triple that, but I don=E2=80=99t think that = applies here. From nobody Thu May 27 12:32:45 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AC23A0A3E for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:32:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EnTXTp8LFE0Q for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 983643A0A34 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E4F38ED4; Thu, 27 May 2021 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7TKNjvx1TnI3; Thu, 27 May 2021 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAB338B9E; Thu, 27 May 2021 15:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8743440; Thu, 27 May 2021 15:31:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Carsten Bormann cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 19:32:43 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2021-05-27, at 13:34, Michael Richardson > wrote: >> >> But, that's useless if you actually dump it to tree-ware. > It=E2=80=99s almost Friday, so here goes: > PS.: I stopped using paper around the turn of the century. I still > would like to have page numbers! I also almost never print to paper. I also seldom use PDF either, but I was surprised at that lack, given that the document is paginated. If we are going to paginate the PDF, the ToC should have page numbers. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmCv85gACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVWaggAgPsIrT0ljmgnxi9/XwLmSyVeosy9wi1hK1NbyKeqDgXZPQhD7Rd3hHnH OKwWKgy2KCXPeFExYjjmLo3+VHrfwN3rz7vwFn2IVfQ6CVfkQia7yWMle7RkeUAC uCOZWfcAjYsYO3PGJUj73dm+17zW6TZ+gyUSWE7UlkcJ830/CaPINP3OpwtJn77y OpnjYWL4dkPyUAGd5NO/c/r16YZVAEyz+M59jiJJHPdSn2h87FgbTGiV/x/U1rZG DI/T/wQlei1QxS1FrO+LYsxYk/+o7TrJVaB6u234utHQ9yOGydgHAQ3N16SF5dpk oc7rro8SayGyKdVCio0QTBlRqn6PcQ== =Otd7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 27 12:36:21 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B923A0A9C for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:36:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jmdfy3cbTR2w for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFF983A0A99 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 12:36:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DDB389A1; Thu, 27 May 2021 15:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xcd4y97V2yEa; Thu, 27 May 2021 15:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6010D18058; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F12440; Thu, 27 May 2021 08:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Robert Sparks cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 19:36:21 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Sparks wrote: > The draft-*@ietf.org and -chairs@ietf.org aliases are > regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). > If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the > datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next > generation. So, the emails are generated from the DT, not from the drafts themselves? 1) draft emails -> DT identity (according to whole set of emails) 2) DT identity -> aliases using "primary" email. A downside seems to be that I think that I can't have drafts with different email addresses (representing wearing different hats), concurrently being u= sed. I don't have this requirement, but I just wanted to be clear about how it w= orks. 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 19:52:23 -0000 --0000000000007fb16f05c35518b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Robert, thank you for suggesting the use of the "Send notices to" field. Can it be automatically populated with all e-mail addresses listed in an author's contact info? Or an author can add it manually? Regards, Greg On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 7:40 AM Robert Sparks wrote: > No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the marked > primary email address. > > We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuration or > something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large change > to do so. > > What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresses to > the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresses > there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will > appear in the draft--notify and draft--all aliases. > > RjS > > > On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > > Hi Robert, > I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported in > XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-@ietf.org to > be directed at both. But, as I see it, the datatracker uses only one, > whichever is listed first. Do you of any plans to modify that behavior in > the datatracker? > > Regards, > Greg > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks > wrote: > >> The draft-*@ietf.org and -chairs@ietf.org aliases are >> regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). >> >> If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the >> datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next >> generation. >> >> RjS >> >> On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >> > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just >> > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am >> > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it. >> > >> > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ >> > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. >> > >> > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email >> > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't >> > even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is >> there >> > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change >> > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has >> > quite a few aliases created). >> > >> > Cheers >> > Toerless >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________ >> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > --0000000000007fb16f05c35518b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Robert,
thank you for suggesting the use of the &qu= ot;Send notices to" field. Can it be automatically=C2=A0populated with= all e-mail addresses listed in an author's contact info? Or an author = can add it manually?

Regards,
Greg
=

= On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 7:40 AM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the marked primary email address.

We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuration or something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large change to do so.

What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresses to the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresses there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will appear in the draft-<name>-notify and draft-<name>-all aliases.

RjS


On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote:
=20
Hi Robert,
I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-<foo>@ietf.org to be directed at both. But, as I see it, the datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do you of any plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker?

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
The draft-<foo>*@ietf.org and <acronym>-chairs@ietf.org aliases are
regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly).

If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the
datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next
generation.

RjS

On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just
> contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am
> right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it.
>
> So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ie= tf/<email address>
> and global change is clearly part of the BCP.
>
> But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email
> addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't
> even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there
> any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change
> the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has
> quite a few aliases created).
>
> Cheers
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Toerless
>
> ___________________________________________________________
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--0000000000007fb16f05c35518b1-- From nobody Thu May 27 13:03:53 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67EA3A0CEA for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:03:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.851 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.851 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=KwtYYB5A; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=SmAtqcHu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sNMTCvyunBWD for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4236C3A0CE9 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 52954 invoked from network); 27 May 2021 20:03:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=ced8.60affb1e.k2105; bh=WI1SPPJk24BamDhXYuMvXFJjkFrZILujvSfvFBGdtoI=; b=KwtYYB5ASn/uguldAJYSXuXXq9pbg9X4E5n6asrsj07c+PYmyHDUTv9mB+MC4GQjyi3lJ9cnMqrXkLxUXjYETtSXAyaI23GEbUrZDA9JmdHtvOx7lyc6nIXOWnsENOXn3TfD+BHVbb/cjTvQbMCHkLsFTz/467W4zV81p0DT5DrmHciuJOX/LREDaZKFflCHXndgwh3yjA4u8YTZ5FC217y6HSYmgWi0R4hyrGq5pfMpcV/ASkAQ4FR6US0kUt2aCU0Tn9fbb6KOvXTs7QOqCgbEOBrCoXpiRdfACGcNexjwhXcnQMR2dtrc46UI87PmDeCTFBG21kNOChX4+PoBdA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:cleverness; s=ced8.60affb1e.k2105; bh=WI1SPPJk24BamDhXYuMvXFJjkFrZILujvSfvFBGdtoI=; b=SmAtqcHuotN0BDDAz2jHtCrMfmRijJUAw/IG58WYbj5XCfHZJHIF8til/VbAYaHhunaE14hBQ+lT+EqDgwZngbCuF3JXdoeZ8MDjYOiXLt6cVr9SfB0cfIJBwAXYndRkPYgSDFkP+3AHV/sH1DJ0ElUw3OC6HIHjw3SiJ+C6yON3MpgalzXlb0CW2przsUOMXQt4lIz1xTat+jH2BqsRuoMKhynvZtamk+DxgYuNLy8Jtxmyzm2lbTCDjbKY5nSbbkvpPVuFpWQEcfZ15dJk0TGOKdhhT8mE03sJe0guZuXrLgzKIoBAP/OSxtHxrDxwmEe3yD0rhVtkVisDQrzo8w== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 27 May 2021 20:03:41 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4D2858D61D0; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: 27 May 2021 16:03:39 -0400 Message-Id: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> From: "John Levine" To: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Cleverness: minimal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:03:52 -0000 It appears that Bob Hinden said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I would also like the page numbers in the TOC. > >Not for printing, but when I look at a new draft, it quickly tells me how >long it is. > >I don't see any downside to adding page numbers to the TOC. Only if you promise to give $100 to the IETF Endowment any time you mention a page number in a message to an IETF list. Two points about page numbers in PDFs: I believe Carsten is correct, it'd take two passes and double the time it takes to render the PDF. I don't see this as a terrible problem. The key point is the one about page numbers being specific to a rendering, and there's no canonical rendering. RFC 7995 suggested that using paragraph numhers. It waffled about where they're visible, but at least they stay the same among renderings. I suppose we could do that, needing more like 1 1/2 passes to count and tag the paragraphs if they aren't already tagged by the preptool. xml2rfc uses a library called wasyprint to create the PDFs. It renders HTML, using a tweaked version of the HTML output. That limits our control over the output and is why the page breaks often look strange. We knew about the limitations when we chose that approach, albeit perhaps not just how bad the page breaks would be, because it is vastly easier than the alternative of writing a PDF rendering engine. R's, John From nobody Thu May 27 13:11:34 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DC43A0D78 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:11:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UdEu5fvQ-5-1 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 501D93A0D64 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDBF38E35; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aevZiQaciBnD; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C057438E33; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D0E3FB; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Toerless Eckert , Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20210527191255.GX3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> <20210527191255.GX3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:11:33 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Toerless Eckert wrote: > For third-party document i would be happy to have a new disclaimer > added to each RFC rendering that includes page numbers: > "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page > numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document > itself". Sure. I'm okay if we show the ToC, in CoAP-option like way, so each line just has: Bananas ............... 0 Green Peppers ......... +4 Tomatoes .............. +3 {not a serious suggestion} But, as long as the PDF has page numbers, then people can reference page XX= X. 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:19:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D4EE0B4553C7D0F14EB35B68 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 5/27/21 2:52 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hi Robert, > thank you for suggesting the use of the "Send notices to" field. Can > it be automatically populated with all e-mail addresses listed in an > author's contact info? Or an author can add it manually? At the moment, you would need to ask the secretariat (or an AD, or a wg chair if the document has been adopted by a wg) to add it for you. RjS > > Regards, > Greg > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 7:40 AM Robert Sparks > wrote: > > No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the > marked primary email address. > > We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email > configuration or something like it if there's enough demand, but > it would be a large change to do so. > > What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the > addresses to the documents Notify field (on the document's main > page). Any addresses there will be copied in correspondence from > the datatracker, and will appear in the draft--notify and > draft--all aliases. > > RjS > > > On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is >> supported in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to >> draft-@ietf.org to be directed at both. >> But, as I see it, the datatracker uses only one, whichever is >> listed first. Do you of any plans to modify that behavior in the >> datatracker? >> >> Regards, >> Greg >> >> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks >> > wrote: >> >> The draft-*@ietf.org and >> -chairs@ietf.org aliases are >> regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). >> >> If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the >> datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after >> the next >> generation. >> >> RjS >> >> On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >> > So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just >> > contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, >> and i am >> > right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal >> with it. >> > >> > So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/ >> >> > and global change is clearly part of the BCP. >> > >> > But in my past experience, it seems that this will not >> change the email >> > addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. >> And i don't >> > even know if/how there is a way to change those email >> addresses. Is there >> > any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to >> bulk change >> > the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single >> draft has >> > quite a few aliases created). >> > >> > Cheers >> >      Toerless >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________ >> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> >> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug >> reports. >> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> >> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug >> reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Reporttools.ietf.org bugs to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --------------D4EE0B4553C7D0F14EB35B68 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 5/27/21 2:52 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote:
Hi Robert,
thank you for suggesting the use of the "Send notices to" field. Can it be automatically populated with all e-mail addresses listed in an author's contact info? Or an author can add it manually?

At the moment, you would need to ask the secretariat (or an AD, or a wg chair if the document has been adopted by a wg) to add it for you.

RjS


Regards,
Greg

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 7:40 AM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

No - we've had a lot of pressure from people that led to using the marked primary email address.

We could consider adding an "always CC" flag to the email configuration or something like it if there's enough demand, but it would be a large change to do so.

What is your use case? Would it satisfy your needs to add the addresses to the documents Notify field (on the document's main page). Any addresses there will be copied in correspondence from the datatracker, and will appear in the draft-<name>-notify and draft-<name>-all aliases.

RjS


On 5/26/21 6:48 PM, Greg Mirsky wrote:
Hi Robert,
I've chosen to list two email addresses, the feature that is supported in XMLv3. I wanted the correspondence addressed to draft-<foo>@ietf.org to be directed at both. But, as I see it, the datatracker uses only one, whichever is listed first. Do you of any plans to modify that behavior in the datatracker?

Regards,
Greg

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 1:12 PM Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
The draft-<foo>*@ietf.org and <acronym>-chairs@ietf.org aliases are
regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly).

If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the
datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the next
generation.

RjS

On 5/26/21 12:50 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
> So, i run repeatedly into the problem of co-authors or just
> contributors to my WG changing association/email-address, and i am
> right now not 100% sure about the BCP how they should deal with it.
>
> So, https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf/<email address>
> and global change is clearly part of the BCP.
>
> But in my past experience, it seems that this will not change the email
> addresses of the collaborator on draft-ietf-wg-whatever. And i don't
> even know if/how there is a way to change those email addresses. Is there
> any tool for WG chairs or the contributor themselves to bulk change
> the email adress on those draft aliases ? (even a single draft has
> quite a few aliases created).
>
> Cheers
>      Toerless
>
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--------------D4EE0B4553C7D0F14EB35B68-- From nobody Thu May 27 13:23:33 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACC13A0E01 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:23:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.869 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wsi2qZOdNew for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2C0A3A0E00 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7089548017; Thu, 27 May 2021 22:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id CB4B84E75C0; Thu, 27 May 2021 22:23:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 22:23:15 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Michael Richardson , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210527202315.GY3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> <20210527185057.GW3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <71809401-C8A7-43D6-829C-2D665FEA9F7D@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <71809401-C8A7-43D6-829C-2D665FEA9F7D@tzi.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:23:31 -0000 Thanks, i was thinking this wuould be possible to do in .txt given how its done for drafts. Obviously what i meant was in the context of ietf tools/data-tracker offering such a rendering. Having everyone doing it by themselves. On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 09:18:29PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2021-05-27, at 20:50, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > Thats my understanding. If there is an easier way to get page numbers into TOCs > > of PDF, that would be great. > > A first step might be a patch for xml2rfc. > Note that xml2rfc can already put pagination in TXT, which is an option that needs to be explicitly specified. > https://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/xml2rfc-doc.html#section-b.7-1.11 > This apparently was possible to do without changing RFCXXXX. > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/xml2rfc/ticket/558 > seems to imply this cannot be done for PDF in the current architecture of xml2rfc. > Having used troff extensively for a quarter of a decade, I can authoritatively confirm that it sure can be done, at the cost of double (*) the processing time. > (One implementation of the concept is called a ???side file???, and, no, that cannot be googled, but every TeX user knows it.) > > Grüße, Carsten > > (*) and, occasionally, triple that, but I don???t think that applies here. From nobody Thu May 27 13:48:41 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D2F3A1004 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:48:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.08 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.08 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2HAByMN8ULW for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCDDE3A0FFA for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 13:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.9.176]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 14RKmVSv063925 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 27 May 2021 15:48:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1622148512; bh=H61fMDrlcSYebwmL9GyZpamWHizjrDjBckuClwtExEo=; h=To:Cc:References:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To; b=nIa0odOxBbNi6DE8vYCznyG0Ks8+iZno21KB2Vn8whabBp4fCHmOkXZxSoE8fS/hE bCmA1cgDABo3F38zv4EQxlPCjsyQVx43kCnNHvluj2TRNmi3t8EzLz9sV5B5OaNnz7 rlwYMo3a+uaECiMORQluU//GZ8SMtiLEMzl+UJRo= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.9.176] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: Michael Richardson Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> <12878.1622118335@localhost> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <0f77465d-a73a-a145-5329-03570e7b92ed@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 15:48:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12878.1622118335@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:48:40 -0000 On 5/27/21 7:25 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > Robert Sparks wrote: > > The draft-*@ietf.org and -chairs@ietf.org aliases = are > > regenerated on-demand, or with a high refresh rate (hourly). > > > If the collaborator changes their preferred email address in the= > > datatracker, it will be used in all of those aliases after the n= ext > > generation. > > So, the emails are generated from the DT, not from the drafts themselve= s? > > 1) draft emails -> DT identity (according to whole set of emails) > 2) DT identity -> aliases using "primary" email. > > A downside seems to be that I think that I can't have drafts with diffe= rent > email addresses (representing wearing different hats), concurrently bei= ng used. > I don't have this requirement, but I just wanted to be clear about how = it works. > It might be surprising to some. Well, things are always more complicated than they first seem, and this=20 post made me go look more closely, and I'll backtrack a little, changing = what I've said earlier. The code for generating the aliases is here: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/management/comma= nds/generate_draft_aliases.py The salient part for the draft-@ alias (as opposed to the=20 draft--[ad|shepherd|notify|all]@ aliases) is at https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/management/comma= nds/generate_draft_aliases.py#L129 and in particular https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/management/comma= nds/generate_draft_aliases.py#L54 Which takes its data from the addresses taken from the drafts: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/models.py#L605 Note that the DocumentAuthor object only allows for a single address. It = would be a big change for it to allow multiples. So - your draft specific emails will still be used for the various=20 aliases (but only one address will be used from the draft). What I've said about the addresses that get used (only using the=20 Preferred address) is true for mail the datatracker sends though. Greg - apologies that I wasn't completely correct in my earlier responses= =2E RjS > > -- > Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T cons= ulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > > > > From nobody Thu May 27 14:14:10 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8AE3A12F8 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 14:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.869 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7TYqzH9eUAo0 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 14:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27B423A12F4 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 14:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88E8548017; Thu, 27 May 2021 23:13:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id E266F4E75C1; Thu, 27 May 2021 23:13:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 23:13:52 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Michael Richardson Cc: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210527211352.GD3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> <20210527191255.GX3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <15371.1622146285@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <15371.1622146285@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 21:14:09 -0000 I would not put it past lazy research article writers to never read a document but simply look at the TOC to find whatever section looks like a good reference - and never read any of the doc. But i am saying this after the last decade has seen various high ranking erman government officials loose their jobs after their PhD thesis where shown to be stlen or otherwise severely sub-par. All i can do is upgrade my proposed disclaimer in paginated rendering to "yelling": Eg. at beginning of TOC of paginated document: PLEASE DO NOT USE REFERENCES TO PAGE NUMBERS. THEY ARE PART OF THIS RENDERING FORMAT BUT THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE THE SAME ACROSS DIFFERENT RENDERING FORMATS. Cheers toerless > > "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page > > numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document > > itself". On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 04:11:25PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Toerless Eckert wrote: > > For third-party document i would be happy to have a new disclaimer > > added to each RFC rendering that includes page numbers: > > > "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page > > numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document > > itself". > > Sure. > > I'm okay if we show the ToC, in CoAP-option like way, so each line just has: > > Bananas ............... 0 > Green Peppers ......... +4 > Tomatoes .............. +3 > > {not a serious suggestion} > > But, as long as the PDF has page numbers, then people can reference page XXX. > Whether or not the ToC has them doesn't matter. > > > -- > Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > > > > -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu May 27 16:33:57 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5803A186B for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:33:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tjto7UVn-bbU for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32d.google.com (mail-wm1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7841F3A186A for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id l11-20020a05600c4f0bb029017a7cd488f5so1426252wmq.0 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:33:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=Pr2647YW4VyZDMnW1lir21sixO0FaQ28vLxO847o4eI=; b=vhERM2a7K/anrKYfr1zTOk5xE9HMH5KAmCvN/38FiPW/SCGHuAsVdw+9B3pDsThKzo DIPN713P0cqTfYgJ4h1ui6T/IkSnh+H5iYa65nLHM5jgpmdazXe2SdlLz/GbU+B4MCV/ jQS9+NKOCVXNbBrhN6yBezLYKRA/cJuykJjS9Z0h4eby7J9M0T3wOj3tOy79qajQ6L12 9g/VUsT5NJub8CMHLqA1M5S3v2ZxVQa28j1MCXDA1ocCztm3yIU0DFQcR+Ln0EdC4cjA UrjO7oXQHyvAc1YkHDFVHj0Ed1nOUw+E1VyA7+V8OyXUyyuU6N96vw4VerZ5OcBD2t/N DV5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=Pr2647YW4VyZDMnW1lir21sixO0FaQ28vLxO847o4eI=; b=IV0Wq5oRpbiQJBtYgLPj5Rfp+O9zcZB7yhrxWZzNE8t8vXCYEO/S8zad35VwpTyFt6 MwXTQYkvi5lpt9E/v/K5CnpQXJ9e6KzOsWZeWNJI76Ka4Ybpze8PzFjfFynxxgi7fr7P Ym7OHTS9DoTgqh9lqdUyo6hQSzC70xVu6RXLLS0EBpGXYk1fRU2KBNLMikg0hjBR+9sA jT/NTcntQfWsV87AxltbjC11seEmMLBPQgWREdKoRThKuOs+1wb7Mn/KEOMXclSR4gFc MSVLsPQaVs5Tz+LRd37QJzQsrn8KKvOlMoSEVsJYlEB57nZvnncwzMeyLHOF8pDgCBsY j5dA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530t4ZwaVROyKS0alEwKz+9xqcNanPhfLDIPjgQ8RgePeg/PwGoZ chqOvs1BAC0hZJmQt2Ifp6g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzpqgaF3Ha2FJ8N887sr1azmW5/d7c99rdg5QuKNgCClCDAZOucY1amvR/KFFh+Cu9aCbErbw== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:a401:: with SMTP id n1mr9436214wme.30.1622158427958; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.199] (c-24-5-53-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.5.53.184]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j10sm4689194wrt.32.2021.05.27.16.33.46 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 27 May 2021 16:33:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <93518243-3705-42AE-9B57-6F1BDF30853C@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2ABE8EDB-A7E8-4A54-8B32-F58E6ADFE687"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.20\)) Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 16:33:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> Cc: Bob Hinden , tools-discuss@ietf.org To: John Levine References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.20) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 23:33:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2ABE8EDB-A7E8-4A54-8B32-F58E6ADFE687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John, > On May 27, 2021, at 1:03 PM, John Levine wrote: >=20 > It appears that Bob Hinden said: >> -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- >>=20 >> I would also like the page numbers in the TOC. >>=20 >> Not for printing, but when I look at a new draft, it quickly tells me = how >> long it is. >>=20 >> I don't see any downside to adding page numbers to the TOC. >=20 > Only if you promise to give $100 to the IETF Endowment any time you > mention a page number in a message to an IETF list. I promise to not mention page numbers on an IETF list. >=20 > Two points about page numbers in PDFs: I believe Carsten is correct, = it'd take > two passes and double the time it takes to render the PDF. I don't = see this as > a terrible problem. >=20 > The key point is the one about page numbers being specific to a > rendering, and there's no canonical rendering. RFC 7995 suggested that > using paragraph numhers. It waffled about where they're visible, but > at least they stay the same among renderings. I suppose we could do > that, needing more like 1 1/2 passes to count and tag the paragraphs > if they aren't already tagged by the preptool. As others have noted, it seems to me that if the rendering has page = numbers, then the TOC should too. However, looking at RFC 8995, at = https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8995, there are rendering for HTML, = TEXT and PDF. HTML and TEXT have no page numbers, PDF does. = Personally I find the Text version without page number (on pages and = TOC) ugly and not very useful. I would prefer we add page number back in all of the renderings. = Sigh... Bob >=20 > xml2rfc uses a library called wasyprint to create the PDFs. It renders > HTML, using a tweaked version of the HTML output. That limits our > control over the output and is why the page breaks often look strange. > We knew about the limitations when we chose that approach, albeit > perhaps not just how bad the page breaks would be, because it is > vastly easier than the alternative of writing a PDF rendering engine. >=20 > R's, > John --Apple-Mail=_2ABE8EDB-A7E8-4A54-8B32-F58E6ADFE687 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAmCwLFgACgkQrut0EXfn u6hykQf7BHxaCeO+XN0OTQAy3Eu1oD6gMCM5sxdaxoh7CMPBaUGY7P/KP8VXY3iZ uPCDIhs8wx4I7fR5XDgdkYZIOrEzLJ04Ad+3v7oLJTqsxDNJbkNwFanM1natMAxn R+vAeanOFyEs3C7y8/Gta3d0OwZ3I+HMqUS1LlM1Yp6M8jIXVzjC6WN0in0FUJpc Vs9zY5s4wiI6cQm3+510T/OenVerJ6P8wpFirvyC93KAGQY5fyP5vboT8xc8jeTV KmvRF3SZrT4jcz96KEuS5bBJcYGf7XcruGGC+5CanX0yGeDGwKw8iNJXSGtO4y06 u2jnTLi5oTf0BeozNejr94Ivte65tw== =Un38 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_2ABE8EDB-A7E8-4A54-8B32-F58E6ADFE687-- From nobody Thu May 27 16:41:43 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8783A18AC for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:41:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T2g9UxGqwIxf; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jays-mbp.localdomain (unknown [158.140.230.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A62EA3A18AB; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:41:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay Daley Message-Id: <89CA25CC-5C65-4076-BFE0-E2485B3B01F4@ietf.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_36960FED-650D-4296-9949-3CAC4837086D" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 11:41:31 +1200 In-Reply-To: <20210527211352.GD3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Cc: Michael Richardson , Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss@ietf.org To: Toerless Eckert References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> <20210527191255.GX3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <15371.1622146285@localhost> <20210527211352.GD3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 23:41:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_36960FED-650D-4296-9949-3CAC4837086D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 28/05/2021, at 9:13 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > I would not put it past lazy research article writers to never read > a document but simply look at the TOC to find whatever section looks > like a good reference - and never read any of the doc. But i am saying > this after the last decade has seen various high ranking erman = government > officials loose their jobs after their PhD thesis where shown to be > stlen or otherwise severely sub-par. >=20 > All i can do is upgrade my proposed disclaimer in paginated rendering = to "yelling": >=20 > Eg. at beginning of TOC of paginated document: >=20 > PLEASE DO NOT USE REFERENCES TO PAGE NUMBERS. THEY ARE PART OF THIS = RENDERING FORMAT > BUT THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE THE SAME ACROSS DIFFERENT RENDERING = FORMATS. Perhaps a "Referencing this document" section needs to be part of the = boilerplate of all RFCs and I-Ds. The former can address this issue of = multiple renderings, page numbering and referencing sections; the latter = can address the issue of I-Ds not representing the IETF. Jay >=20 > Cheers > toerless >=20 >>> "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page >>> numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document >>> itself". >=20 > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 04:11:25PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: >>=20 >> Toerless Eckert wrote: >>> For third-party document i would be happy to have a new disclaimer >>> added to each RFC rendering that includes page numbers: >>=20 >>> "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page >>> numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document >>> itself". >>=20 >> Sure. >>=20 >> I'm okay if we show the ToC, in CoAP-option like way, so each line = just has: >>=20 >> Bananas ............... 0 >> Green Peppers ......... +4 >> Tomatoes .............. +3 >>=20 >> {not a serious suggestion} >>=20 >> But, as long as the PDF has page numbers, then people can reference = page XXX. >> Whether or not the ToC has them doesn't matter. >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T = consulting ) >> Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org --Apple-Mail=_36960FED-650D-4296-9949-3CAC4837086D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On 28/05/2021, at 9:13 AM, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> = wrote:

I would not put it past lazy = research article writers to never read
a document but simply look at the TOC to find whatever = section looks
like a good = reference - and never read any of the doc. But i am saying
this after the last decade has = seen various high ranking erman government
officials loose their jobs after their PhD thesis where shown = to be
stlen or = otherwise severely sub-par.

All i can do is upgrade my proposed disclaimer in paginated = rendering to "yelling":

Eg. at beginning of TOC of paginated document:

PLEASE DO NOT USE REFERENCES TO = PAGE NUMBERS. THEY ARE PART OF THIS RENDERING FORMAT
BUT THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO = BE THE SAME ACROSS DIFFERENT RENDERING FORMATS.

Perhaps a = "Referencing this document" section needs to be part of the boilerplate = of all RFCs and I-Ds.  The former can address this issue of = multiple renderings, page numbering and referencing sections; the latter = can address the issue of I-Ds not representing the IETF.

Jay


Cheers
   toerless

"References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any = page
numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of = the document
itself".

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 04:11:25PM -0400, Michael Richardson = wrote:

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote:
For third-party document i would be happy to = have a new disclaimer
added to each RFC rendering that = includes page numbers:

"References into this = document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page
numbers are = rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document
itself".

Sure.

I'm okay if we show the ToC, in CoAP-option = like way, so each line just has:

   Bananas ............... 0
   Green Peppers ......... +4
   Tomatoes .............. +3

{not a serious suggestion}

But, = as long as the PDF has page numbers, then people can reference page = XXX.
Whether or not the ToC has them doesn't matter.


--
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= --Apple-Mail=_36960FED-650D-4296-9949-3CAC4837086D-- From nobody Thu May 27 16:48:07 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E043A18E5 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:48:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zHYy27kZeiOe for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A6893A18E4 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C14548004; Fri, 28 May 2021 01:47:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id A1FF34E75C3; Fri, 28 May 2021 01:47:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 01:47:53 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Bob Hinden Cc: John Levine , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210527234753.GF3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> <93518243-3705-42AE-9B57-6F1BDF30853C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <93518243-3705-42AE-9B57-6F1BDF30853C@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 23:48:06 -0000 On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 04:33:43PM -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: > As others have noted, it seems to me that if the rendering has page numbers, then the TOC should too. > > However, looking at RFC 8995, at https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8995, there are rendering for HTML, TEXT and PDF. HTML and TEXT have no page numbers, PDF does. Personally I find the Text version without page number (on pages and TOC) ugly and not very useful. > > I would prefer we add page number back in all of the renderings. Sigh... For HTML, TEXT its not only page numbers, its also to add back pagination. PDF is the odd man of, because it has pagination but yet no page numbers (in TOC). As i said, unless someone from the tools teams offers something better, its got to be an RFC to be written to ask for it. However, that will fail if it does not make it clear that paginated TXT/HTML will only be ADDITIONAL renderings to be requested for on on datatracker or rfc-editor (whatever tools team prefers). Otherwise we would have an unwinnable battle. Cheers toerless > > Bob > > > > > > > xml2rfc uses a library called wasyprint to create the PDFs. It renders > > HTML, using a tweaked version of the HTML output. That limits our > > control over the output and is why the page breaks often look strange. > > We knew about the limitations when we chose that approach, albeit > > perhaps not just how bad the page breaks would be, because it is > > vastly easier than the alternative of writing a PDF rendering engine. > > > > R's, > > John > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu May 27 16:54:00 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8347F3A190D for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id doCfJm4IRwHp for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC0043A190A for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 16:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23DF38BCF; Thu, 27 May 2021 19:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id opJyLrn45Vp4; Thu, 27 May 2021 19:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B338AF7; Thu, 27 May 2021 19:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8069C3FB; Thu, 27 May 2021 19:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "John Levine" , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 19:53:48 -0400 Message-ID: <9636.1622159628@localhost> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 23:53:59 -0000 John Levine wrote: >> -=-=-=-=-=- >> >> I would also like the page numbers in the TOC. >> >> Not for printing, but when I look at a new draft, it quickly tells me >> how long it is. >> >> I don't see any downside to adding page numbers to the TOC. > Only if you promise to give $100 to the IETF Endowment any time you > mention a page number in a message to an IETF *I* didn't put the page numbers there :-) 1) another other option is not to number the pages in the PDF :-) 2) a third option is to number the pages is an unusual base using a non-arabic number system. I'm just asking for consistency. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Thu May 27 17:01:28 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BAC3A194C; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n9x9aWRN3LjY; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3E483A194A; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505CA548004; Fri, 28 May 2021 02:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 4C3144E75C7; Fri, 28 May 2021 02:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 02:01:16 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Jay Daley Cc: Michael Richardson , Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210528000116.GG3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <27379.1622115270@localhost> <20210527191255.GX3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <15371.1622146285@localhost> <20210527211352.GD3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <89CA25CC-5C65-4076-BFE0-E2485B3B01F4@ietf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <89CA25CC-5C65-4076-BFE0-E2485B3B01F4@ietf.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 00:01:27 -0000 Indeed. Thats what i said at one of those "pontification about future of RFC series structure" meeetings we had (before your time ?): Just start with disclaimers. To cut a good compromise between "can not be overread" and "does not clutter up the doc", probably always have only a short paragraph followed by a URL for more info if needed (htttps://www.ietf.org/rfc-faq/42)... Chers Toerless On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 11:41:31AM +1200, Jay Daley wrote: > > > > On 28/05/2021, at 9:13 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > I would not put it past lazy research article writers to never read > > a document but simply look at the TOC to find whatever section looks > > like a good reference - and never read any of the doc. But i am saying > > this after the last decade has seen various high ranking erman government > > officials loose their jobs after their PhD thesis where shown to be > > stlen or otherwise severely sub-par. > > > > All i can do is upgrade my proposed disclaimer in paginated rendering to "yelling": > > > > Eg. at beginning of TOC of paginated document: > > > > PLEASE DO NOT USE REFERENCES TO PAGE NUMBERS. THEY ARE PART OF THIS RENDERING FORMAT > > BUT THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE THE SAME ACROSS DIFFERENT RENDERING FORMATS. > > Perhaps a "Referencing this document" section needs to be part of the boilerplate of all RFCs and I-Ds. The former can address this issue of multiple renderings, page numbering and referencing sections; the latter can address the issue of I-Ds not representing the IETF. > > Jay > > > > > Cheers > > toerless > > > >>> "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page > >>> numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document > >>> itself". > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 04:11:25PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > >> > >> Toerless Eckert wrote: > >>> For third-party document i would be happy to have a new disclaimer > >>> added to each RFC rendering that includes page numbers: > >> > >>> "References into this document MUST NOT use page numbers. Any page > >>> numbers are rendering specific artefacts, not part of the document > >>> itself". > >> > >> Sure. > >> > >> I'm okay if we show the ToC, in CoAP-option like way, so each line just has: > >> > >> Bananas ............... 0 > >> Green Peppers ......... +4 > >> Tomatoes .............. +3 > >> > >> {not a serious suggestion} > >> > >> But, as long as the PDF has page numbers, then people can reference page XXX. > >> Whether or not the ToC has them doesn't matter. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting ) > >> Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > --- > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > jay@ietf.org > -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu May 27 17:13:07 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E783A003F for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:13:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.869 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jQE5X_lZCIrf for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 720F83A003E for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9470954804D; Fri, 28 May 2021 02:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 8C4534E75C4; Fri, 28 May 2021 02:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 02:12:54 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Michael Richardson Cc: John Levine , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210528001254.GH3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> <9636.1622159628@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9636.1622159628@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 00:13:06 -0000 I tried hard to only provide factual, useful information in this thread, but now you have teased me enough... On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 07:53:48PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > *I* didn't put the page numbers there :-) > > 1) another other option is not to number the pages in the PDF :-) For consistency we need to remove pagination from the PDF rendering and make the document one single page. PDF spec i think has no problem with it, and a global News headline of "IETF crashes computers worldwide" would be well worth it. > 2) a third option is to number the pages is an unusual base using a > non-arabic number system. Braille. Not sure how useful 1,000 engineers are that randomnly start learning braille numbers from desparation, but it sure scores inclusiveness points. > I'm just asking for consistency. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu May 27 17:16:52 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2E33A017E for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:16:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pP15tzcctjzB for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F7133A0147 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A4038C55; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mSYq0v6_oTqk; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2DD38C54; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFAD7B; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:16:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Robert Sparks cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <0f77465d-a73a-a145-5329-03570e7b92ed@nostrum.com> References: <20210526175001.GK3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <059250c6-cc20-63c4-ca83-6b1d85998f94@nostrum.com> <12878.1622118335@localhost> <0f77465d-a73a-a145-5329-03570e7b92ed@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tooling: Change of address Q. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 00:16:51 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Sparks wrote: >> A downside seems to be that I think that I can't have drafts with >> different email addresses (representing wearing different hats), >> concurrently being used. I don't have this requirement, but I just >> wanted to be clear about how it works. It might be surprising to >> some. > Well, things are always more complicated than they first seem, and th= is > post made me go look more closely, and I'll backtrack a little, > changing what I've said earlier. > The code for generating the aliases is here: > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/management/c= ommands/generate_draft_aliases.py ps: had to login to trac to be allowed to see this. I'm not sure if my login was special having done ietfdb work, or if anyone will work. > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietfdb/browser/trunk/ietf/doc/management/c= ommands/generate_draft_aliases.py#L54 > Which takes its data from the addresses taken from the drafts: So, they aren't passed through the DT identities first. > So - your draft specific emails will still be used for the various > aliases (but only one address will be used from the draft). > What I've said about the addresses that get used (only using the > Preferred address) is true for mail the datatracker sends though. > Greg - apologies that I wasn't completely correct in my earlier > responses. Thanks for digging though! =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmCwNmwACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUdVgf/Z8Yr+Nj86s589dgNWR2YNzj46bjD7ANxusFsyuKHXr9STiKWcv0EBEfY FP8flnVvAAzomy2RMXiWDDmTBOyLYcfASOW3fKw1hCmbXM1C0rw2M/MZy3440TKV ELJWovJ+ZL67qVxbyht9wrzTXh4zOZAN+EahA4LoprwXmVtDe9USxnpkyJQnL0G+ djz6DD91oAmF3YDfGPt836oC6YD49BqXKd4y1893ftp/rhXKeDRzLGK3+s6Kz+Wy 2uradCrTGXjZ3Qe1ABG/mVOrmuWJ2x/9sU5/z79y3wd9KOKfGFu3vfaU7gNdYuZl 0p/oqdAo6vGNinxR4Lk7ebbvi2CkCw== =blIl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 27 17:20:18 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0623A0542 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:20:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NixAhMFPiif8 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 571C93A0489 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 17:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F4E38C51; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id M2IQPO7Q26hO; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C8538B87; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEAC7B; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Bob Hinden , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <93518243-3705-42AE-9B57-6F1BDF30853C@gmail.com> References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> <93518243-3705-42AE-9B57-6F1BDF30853C@gmail.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 20:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <24346.1622161209@localhost> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 00:20:17 -0000 Bob Hinden wrote: > However, looking at RFC 8995, at > https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8995, there are rendering for HTML, > TEXT and PDF. HTML and TEXT have no page numbers, PDF does. > Personally I find the Text version without page number (on pages and > TOC) ugly and not very useful. I found reading YANG diagrams, CDDL and other figures without page breaks was refreshing. But, the HTML version is generally much more pleasant. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From nobody Thu May 27 18:55:03 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA313A0E3A for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 18:55:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=P6E4sjWo; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=fiLis9j2 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r7OKNvmzvuBJ for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 18:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gal.iecc.com (gal.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:43:6f73:7461]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5C4C3A0E32 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 18:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11623 invoked from network); 28 May 2021 01:54:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=2d65.60b04d6e.k2105; bh=De779ZFDt/LdgHzRyvdqwUzo19bOB1ijd4Ixmzs5uJI=; b=P6E4sjWoxCPUtEquhkSle2lVbVeQ0quDqT5bJ6o23ZMZyc2WuPnLO7tyYrhbVz8Txsm7qdpUsqSeTMAHL6YBnXiG0Ilki3Ys1VMxog2c7ZLJs4C2Up4Yra03P3nSPMXhp8McCLaEQjk4E4MLvll4AsMivZgtmGeM4d1cGT5BqyLuLkzh78Tncg2bRPlbEGOXp9LsIH5Uhy9c5C38LqojDbUbILxZ+X1JOwMgcgWw/hDBsl1pDOmEdjKiq4FKMebK5aF9KaTvlqxR2fDUBZFVPSoMKWqZsjP3wku8oZkauFJ0gWXGM/RtmUEO6aa1Ah5IDhGc2qK0kcQH8irb3dkiCQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; s=2d65.60b04d6e.k2105; bh=De779ZFDt/LdgHzRyvdqwUzo19bOB1ijd4Ixmzs5uJI=; b=fiLis9j2gpcrY9XL47Q4ITM3lvu2x2FUfc9FYv26N0LTRtuW9PmpCnXUexOxcF3eUY1dAD1Mg393yV5G+hC0hd4VhvS0AlfxqFGh5SXuFt+dnIvJywMH6DT/ah+jZxA/OpRF+TUuq5ChpwJO2X5MPRtCWXm2tkuwLxzxDktens9B05NvMII4x7h+lgjlVzHnZ69RuSbprqvTZd0QuKack3Mq/tVj1WV+DuAtXIiF2OB9MpTVMmqYkJqoDFFIO0A8wOEucPBSt0HcRLMVx1rrz9yVj40PZN6afBLjldxGdMQe6eRvibcjfEkDnlZ4thTqpYRwD/fXxHQriFPKNJo1WQ== Received: from ary.qy ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2 ECDHE-RSA AES-256-GCM AEAD) via TCP6; 28 May 2021 01:54:53 -0000 Received: by ary.qy (Postfix, from userid 501) id 065FC8DA746; Thu, 27 May 2021 21:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ary.qy (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E828DA728; Thu, 27 May 2021 21:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: 27 May 2021 21:54:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Toerless Eckert" Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-X-Sender: johnl@ary.qy In-Reply-To: <20210528001254.GH3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> <9636.1622159628@localhost> <20210528001254.GH3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 01:55:02 -0000 On Fri, 28 May 2021, Toerless Eckert wrote: > For consistency we need to remove pagination from the PDF rendering and make > the document one single page. PDF spec i think has no problem with it, > and a global News headline of "IETF crashes computers worldwide" > would be well worth it. That certainly is tempting. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Thu May 27 20:29:39 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3E23A13DF for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:29:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIoig9QdDy0Y for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D42C3A13DD for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-pool2-245.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.48.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FrqtL5Bm7z316H; Fri, 28 May 2021 05:29:30 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 05:29:30 +0200 Cc: Toerless Eckert , tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 643865370.075739-4500dda12b5bb986b4d5b4386db294a7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> <9636.1622159628@localhost> <20210528001254.GH3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: "John R. Levine" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 03:29:38 -0000 Works great for me: http://tzi.de/~cabo/rfc9000.pdf Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 2021-05-28, at 03:54, John R Levine wrote: >=20 >> For consistency we need to remove pagination from the PDF rendering = and make >> the document one single page. PDF spec i think has no problem with = it, >> and a global News headline of "IETF crashes computers worldwide" >> would be well worth it. >=20 > That certainly is tempting. From nobody Thu May 27 20:57:02 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DFF3A1536 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:57:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tc1nKA-Fxbso for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4BBE3A1531 for ; Thu, 27 May 2021 20:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2452F548015; Fri, 28 May 2021 05:56:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 1A8414E75C7; Fri, 28 May 2021 05:56:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 05:56:50 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: "John R. Levine" , tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210528035650.GJ3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <20210527200341.4D2858D61D0@ary.qy> <9636.1622159628@localhost> <20210528001254.GH3909@faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pages numbers in ToC in PDF X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 03:57:02 -0000 On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 05:29:30AM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Works great for me: > > http://tzi.de/~cabo/rfc9000.pdf Haha, thanks for the test. Chrome always has memory holes for me with some eternally long web pages, hence my prediction. But yes, this renders fine without crashing. This PDF is also a pretty good protection against killing trees. Cannot print more than just the first paper page with standard PDF software. So, how is this not better in all respects than HTML ? Guaranteed more consistent rendering ;-)) Cheers Toerless > Grüße, Carsten > > > > On 2021-05-28, at 03:54, John R Levine wrote: > > > >> For consistency we need to remove pagination from the PDF rendering and make > >> the document one single page. PDF spec i think has no problem with it, > >> and a global News headline of "IETF crashes computers worldwide" > >> would be well worth it. > > > > That certainly is tempting. -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Fri May 28 07:21:43 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46D23A2A66; Fri, 28 May 2021 07:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.793 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.793 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.698, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: 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8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] doing YANG work with MT makefiles and "pure" XML X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 23:20:39 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am contributing to a document which is not in kramdown. (I can only convince so many people so fast about kramdown) In working on RFC8995, which has two YANG modules, I wind up cooking up a b= it of perl to pre-process the XML to insert the RIGHT YANG module, having done the YYYY-MM-DD substitutions. My makefile (which preceeded MT's work), generated the tree files, etc. Maintaining the YANG in the XML file is really not a great way to work. So, what are people doing? I can't find any stuff in lib/* that does anything for YANG. 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