From nobody Wed Mar 2 15:04:14 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD643A0D12 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:04:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.09 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tuz_bQNoxsYt for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAF833A0D23 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 15:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 222N47Vv010284 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:04:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1646262247; bh=9sDcBHsBZB52GI6wxEfuPzr5VFB75LPPac0Y+p4fpH0=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:References:In-Reply-To; b=qeupV/1RytA5OklAI03mb6UTeFYbuFmacyyVecp9OOiB5Nk2WF2Kh4nvUkSccMqES f1Mn61styESEIBhGANTD5SGYbX3TmREh8VO/EO7dG2pFBcnKynwXdhEvYf0tZp8u1s sgDPQUkSF+7q1qkiht4DCEm91OjE0DhYO6pp8oLM= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:04:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.1 Content-Language: en-US From: Robert Sparks To: tools-discuss References: <0d096ae4-095b-096d-bd96-0e884023e949@nostrum.com> <139122d6-2e40-5da4-9927-8ae8bcec39d3@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <139122d6-2e40-5da4-9927-8ae8bcec39d3@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tools team meeting to coordinate future workshops X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:04:13 -0000 Reminder - this coordination meeting is tomorrow. See https://github.org/ietf-tools/tools-workshops and https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-tools-03-tools RjS On 2/22/22 12:11 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > This meeting will be Thursday 3Mar at 2000 UTC. See > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-tools-03/session/tools > for coordinates and ics. > > RjS > > On 2/17/22 10:52 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> All - >> >> The tools team will be meeting soon to prioritize, refine, and start >> scheduling the next set of workshops. >> >> Anyone can attend. The doodle for the session is at >> https://doodle.com/poll/39ygusrk9wmdcx97. I plan to chose the date >> early next week. >> >> We will be working with what's at >> https://github.com/ietf-tools/tools-workshops. >> >> Proposals for other workshops, refinements to the suggested >> workshops, and other comments are welcome. 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There will be a _lot_ of changes there over the next few days as we adjust the migrated repositories to github workflows. 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On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:48 PM Robert Sparks wrote: > See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker and > https://github.com/ietf-tools/mailarch. > > There will be a _lot_ of changes there over the next few days as we > adjust the migrated repositories to github workflows. > > RjS > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --00000000000019f2b105d96da23e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Amazing news!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:48 PM Robert Spa= rks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>= ; wrote:
See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker and
https://github.com/ietf-tools/mailarch.

There will be a _lot_ of changes there over the next few days as we
adjust the migrated repositories to github workflows.

RjS

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--00000000000019f2b105d96da23e-- From nobody Wed Mar 9 16:25:22 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA983A13B3 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:25:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.088 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.088 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EoGzrILjIvrh for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D978B3A13B4 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22A0PAAu084726 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:25:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1646871911; bh=GjOF1JhFFGB+7UFvM9yD3bKsnJ4wS7tMgg1GNWNgXjU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=miB05KmpnvsyyXV+GFZ8oS1WGLWrcoJ5kDUDT+iUECOZLNcTNZinOgmvyAjynwlAf +RvweC7Lz59eIVD6gF60ab3UMX+W4AByxDue128VEp8oO9CAWzb6H+RRFDX7NyxvMb KgdZpO7xhlzfy06LZO7WAqF/C41Gb95zqKXrdrEU= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2022 18:25:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.2 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss From: Robert Sparks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:25:20 -0000 All - Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving the datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as much as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way. The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough along to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any changes made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=new,bs5 If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to further refine it. We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to focus on this branch. RjS From nobody Wed Mar 9 16:37:06 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A943A13D5 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:37:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KMEgTN1Vy3Hv for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EB763A13C4 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KDVWC4xTgzDCc6; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 01:36:55 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 01:36:55 +0100 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 668565415.121022-1a11bfc69b4d6a9e953a7da63fb6792a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:37:05 -0000 Fresh! On the document page, the plethora of royal blue (#0d6efd) buttons = beaming at me is a bit much. I do like the colors of the bikeshed. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 2022-03-10, at 01:25, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 > All - >=20 > Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving = the datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as = much as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way. >=20 > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough = along to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at = https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any = changes made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. >=20 > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue = at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=3Dnew,bs5 >=20 > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this = list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to = further refine it. >=20 > We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to = focus on this branch. >=20 > RjS >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Wed Mar 9 16:48:14 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E3F3A0163 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:48:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5YxLlmoCNaGA for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 105143A02F9 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 16:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.138.1] (76-209-242-70.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net [76.209.242.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.proper.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 22A0kvsI095459 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 9 Mar 2022 17:46:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.proper.com: Host 76-209-242-70.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net [76.209.242.70] claimed to be [172.16.138.1] From: Paul Hoffman To: Robert Sparks Cc: tools-discuss Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 16:48:05 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5798) Message-ID: <087AB070-464A-4A0A-9364-7A901B4EA479@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:48:12 -0000 The color scheme makes all the pages I've looked at *significantly* more readable. 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([2406:e003:1005:b501:80b2:5c79:2266:e431]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id nk5-20020a17090b194500b001bf01e6e558sm3804746pjb.29.2022.03.09.16.55.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Mar 2022 16:55:39 -0800 (PST) To: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> From: Brian E Carpenter Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 13:55:35 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:55:43 -0000 Hi, This looks pretty and from a quick glance, functionality is fine. I really couldn't care less about the changed colours (you could tune them to exactly match the Ukrainian flag), but there is more wasted space than before - slightly larger font and unnecessary white space; for example the "submit" button near the top of the History page is on a line of its own for no good reason. As a result, I can use the current tracker at default size, but I need to hit CTRL/- two or three times with the sandbox version. Regards Brian On 10-Mar-22 13:25, Robert Sparks wrote: > All - > > Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving the > datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as > much as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way. > > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough along > to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at > https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any > changes made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. > > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue at > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=new,bs5 > > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this > list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to > further refine it. > > We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to focus > on this branch. > > RjS > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From nobody Wed Mar 9 17:01:47 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2604B3A07C1 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 17:01:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=sandelman.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QXqJT81UxsiV for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 17:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B03753A07CD for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 17:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD0938A14; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id x3vUEM-9nIqV; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:11:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B2B38A12; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:11:03 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1646874663; bh=j2VOBvCvjZWQAsxxrMpv3dxgB24DULsD8pAioHLBUN4=; h=From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=XjtXF9KoM+JQKEw0Z28PiINF8C6+/oA29v4mkINUtWg1VfV1eYqXpLQhxEPw/XCpy CCwmBuz1JDJKYu7bkyrF4cceYRAAV/w6xdMlcwhRYIqC5FSo1Csc/a25IOBr0Rr6Yg vpHd3oIzUaXJeMikpdCRERt6iKouvA33eypERlVHGzlOBBTsIPOPOBk7T67zZXqO8H J0+IpcAmNaiKHOsioiMjGCOSmKu7jPbsdOHxzhxMRMr/rEpbXtGDv+Ji8khYPuuHpe g9uI32WY9Mqq+jvf3l5VWKVxXbg1uzfVRYm8RtAnchymrOOgMdTXf/xhI4nF3Xu5LV wnIN3mVAUUQ1g== Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A453F559; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 20:01:35 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Robert Sparks cc: tools-discuss In-Reply-To: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 01:01:46 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Sparks wrote: > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue = at > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=3Dnew,bs5 > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this= list > (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to f= urther > refine it. I know that some of the colours are chosen to make it clear it's the sandbo= x. But, it seems like there are many changes in font styling and the like as w= ell. I looked at only two pages: my public profile page, and 6lo WG (it was the first I could pick). I didn't like the vertical-only layout on the public profile page. The original layout fit more content on my screen. The new layout feels very cartoon-ish.... I'm meh on the new stuff, but I could live with it. https://www.sandelman.ca/tmp/dt/ =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmIpTe8ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWE0wf/Shsd5sLGmFNrJOKixO7SIyrV/4zS7k4xBbwSSafCz264EFXTjT+4C0uE VcH55ikKadnenEVyk+KFptCbiWSy4H8hi82ymCGFbNHpIYX9ULSBQko8wWHAFPEG JIPsfc8eHWUTZLuYNVc7L9iyT9bKXPH65hcH3QwT4Z4QT0/xhEqGWDV3Ro8ZYTnD 1yiy1oQ7yD1KdsSXDCX2C/he6ubBBjE+0UTOz0DyIa+UiXpOfbQYPdtXq8TRMlK1 ee6r83S3F2R2RfFzUeAwOexoc5HuVRLmQ7V1YM4ktqFRwIHvL5/r9sCJIW753Cga RpdoJkxrbZQTNTxxslRJrk62qpAYhA== =PW7Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Mar 10 02:18:24 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31E33A14A7 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 02:18:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.108 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=eggert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WMnDJ8vqliJq for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 02:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.eggert.org (mail.eggert.org [91.190.195.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B6E23A14A3 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 02:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:a554:7080:603c:d8ab]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB20A1D9D44; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:18:08 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eggert.org; s=dkim; t=1646907489; bh=zzWhhnN4T3ZJIP6qqA59ObhYIYkjhcdDFLCjgO/6QqI=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=s9u37owdYQTwblaEMQJi2A5CdxP3zzbATFGNti/y4a9vgEDoFJyo9huAYkyAMUPyJ KW5x4xTwnjqA5y9q5S0qBpRVXMw20HFk3MPcjwRf/Xyuswc/v/FxkTrLLwLtRYy3Px 4Ve/eQUe6i5NVj9p+i1C7ZEJflNLbO8LK0ea36ug= Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_57F76B0E-DFE7-41CF-AC10-1C61A2711C96"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 12:18:05 +0200 Cc: tools-discuss Message-Id: References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-MailScanner-ID: EB20A1D9D44.A575C X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:18:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_57F76B0E-DFE7-41CF-AC10-1C61A2711C96 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2022-3-10, at 2:25, Robert Sparks wrote: > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this = list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to = further refine it. the colors and fonts come from the default bs5 theme. The yellow menu bar would be blue in the non-dev-mode version though. = (Similar how the current dt dev mode uses a red menu bar while the = deployed instance uses blue). There is some thinking about having a common bs5 theme designed for all = IETF web presences that use bs5 (which is IIRC almost all of them). 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For those like me who have not tracked the posssibly explained history why this was done and what the goal is: -> Its primarily to simplify tooling around pre-existing tool "bootstrap" ? -> Improvements such as better colors or the like are mostly coincidental ? -> There are no significant usability improvement requirements that drove this? Just guessing from that one paragraph you wrote. Could be completely wrong. How do i score ? ;-) > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough along to > start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at > https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any changes > made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. > > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue at > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=new,bs5 - Are we supposed to be able to login ? I can't. So i can not check WG chair specific experiences. > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this list > (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to further > refine it. - I think the new column on WG main pages (e.g.: https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/wg/anima/about/), which has "WG Name, Charter for WG, Milestones" - this new column is makin the page unnecessary more convoluted given how the info is already on the page. Maybe such a column is useful on other pages, but not here IMHO. - The personal ID marking and review markers on the WG documents pages are missing, i guess this is just TBD, else it would be significant downgrade. - The old font is more soothing to read. Its a font you'd also use in books. the new font is easier to read at smaller size. I guess as someone who uses a large screen to easier read i am not the target audience anymore, but younger people with tablets and phones are. I wish it was possible if there where user-account based rendering preferences. Cheers Toerless > We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to focus on > this branch. > > RjS > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu Mar 10 05:05:44 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E1A3A0CA8 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 05:05:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=eggert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sdurWg5oUgwC for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 05:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.eggert.org (mail.eggert.org [91.190.195.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE91B3A0CAD for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 05:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:a554:7080:603c:d8ab]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39CCE1DA078; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 15:05:30 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eggert.org; s=dkim; t=1646917530; bh=6kPI9zbgzLuM+re+un/5RMZf4EoEkDiflt/vsvG144g=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=YbVja0RQPfOPKb8g5ep/lLQ5EPCIpu4siDcidm/o3trEIbWEorMthXS1mVKGDu6sf 70UU8KrH+HpuUgql55p9Ke49PxGtoKfjbbuXJ8bvhobgszlLWXltb6UEJMc1EKkRJ2 HdEz5+7bDESK+DuGRqEmhb1f1YAfHpxxoCUAbJrE= Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2F35C70B-ECAC-48F1-8275-64F5708721AB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 15:05:29 +0200 Cc: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss Message-Id: <5A6779B1-98F9-4354-9E5B-A2C76F3837CC@eggert.org> References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> To: Toerless Eckert X-MailScanner-ID: 39CCE1DA078.A5197 X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 13:05:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2F35C70B-ECAC-48F1-8275-64F5708721AB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2022-3-10, at 13:32, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > For those like me who have not tracked the posssibly explained history = why > this was done and what the goal is: bs3 has been EOL'ed in 2019. bs4 will be EOL'ed later in 2022. A lot of other third-party assets we currently use for the datatracker = are similarly stale, and in order to benefit from security and bug = fixes, we need to roll them forward (or replace them with = better-supported alternatives). > - Are we supposed to be able to login ? I can't. So i can not check > WG chair specific experiences. All passwords on the sandbox instances have been set to "password". = (This should probably be mentioned prominently; I opened = https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3606) > - I think the new column on WG main pages (e.g.: = https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/wg/anima/about/), which has "WG Name, = Charter for WG, Milestones" - this new column is makin the page = unnecessary more convoluted given how the info is already on the page. = Maybe such a column is useful on other pages, but not here IMHO. This auto-generated navigation column is only shown when the main = content extends past the viewport, and the viewport has a certain width. = It is possible to turn this off completely for some pages - file a = ticket? > - The personal ID marking and review markers on the WG documents pages = are missing, > i guess this is just TBD, else it would be significant downgrade. They are only shown when you are logged in. (I don't think this is a = regression.) > - The old font is more soothing to read. Its a font you'd also use in = books. > the new font is easier to read at smaller size. I guess as someone = who > uses a large screen to easier read i am not the target audience = anymore, > but younger people with tablets and phones are. See my earlier message on the theme simply being the bs5 default. 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Sure, this is all great, i was really just curious because i had no clue about the motivation behind it. I still don't know what bs3...bs5 is ;-)) > > - Are we supposed to be able to login ? I can't. So i can not check > > WG chair specific experiences. > > All passwords on the sandbox instances have been set to "password". (This should probably be mentioned prominently; I opened https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3606) Thanks. > > - I think the new column on WG main pages (e.g.: https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/wg/anima/about/), which has "WG Name, Charter for WG, Milestones" - this new column is makin the page unnecessary more convoluted given how the info is already on the page. Maybe such a column is useful on other pages, but not here IMHO. > > This auto-generated navigation column is only shown when the main content extends past the viewport, and the viewport has a certain width. It is possible to turn this off completely for some pages - file a ticket? Its a bikeshed what i think looks nice or not. Don't think this is up to the level of a ticket. > > - The personal ID marking and review markers on the WG documents pages are missing, > > i guess this is just TBD, else it would be significant downgrade. > > They are only shown when you are logged in. (I don't think this is a regression.) Ack. > > > - The old font is more soothing to read. Its a font you'd also use in books. > > the new font is easier to read at smaller size. I guess as someone who > > uses a large screen to easier read i am not the target audience anymore, > > but younger people with tablets and phones are. > > See my earlier message on the theme simply being the bs5 default. Ok. I guess my point is that visualization is one of those things where i think there is not one-presentation fits all. But i have no idea if the concept i was suggesting (user based customization) is something the tool offers for free. If not, then of course its not worth it (IMHO) to invest cycles. > > Thanks, > Lars > -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Thu Mar 10 06:30:23 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF113A17CA for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 06:30:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=eggert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GhMQDLBnCQ8f for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 06:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.eggert.org (mail.eggert.org [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:211:32ff:fe22:186f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E43C3A1785 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 06:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:a554:7080:603c:d8ab]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 743831D338E; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:29:47 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eggert.org; s=dkim; t=1646922587; bh=oMo2NCAXBArnpJ9sr1dQk6ZVUHKIBWEwF+5kJ+wwQ6I=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=BLF/OryZZDSucFbfdXyrsazxq1TPctvATj9atg+nB8lb22zkN4J8tYiMxqJ2rkQIJ vPsHYdSQCUzf9ETIYmyKtN7ycH9bWs3U9BScATkY818yi8qnrFup+yVPFR7ZZUssPn OxLmVb6qSXsy3E2SN36VP6i/NjW9G6FiGQKmr6lo= Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D039E7F7-BC20-4BDC-A628-89C5CB40A94D"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:29:43 +0200 Cc: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss Message-Id: <3B240628-AF84-4E3A-A828-3CDC1C347B3F@eggert.org> References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> <5A6779B1-98F9-4354-9E5B-A2C76F3837CC@eggert.org> To: Toerless Eckert X-MailScanner-ID: 743831D338E.A27A1 X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:30:21 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D039E7F7-BC20-4BDC-A628-89C5CB40A94D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2022-3-10, at 16:19, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Sure, this is all great, i was really just curious because i had no = clue about the > motivation behind it. I still don't know what bs3...bs5 is ;-)) ah: bs =3D bootstrap, i.e., the web UI framework we have been using for = the datatracker (https://getbootstrap.com/) > Ok. I guess my point is that visualization is one of those things = where i think there is > not one-presentation fits all. But i have no idea if the concept i was = suggesting > (user based customization) is something the tool offers for free. If = not, then of course > its not worth it (IMHO) to invest cycles. It doesn't come with bs, but if you really care, you can use = Greasemonkey or similar tools to override the relevant parts of the CSS = for yourself locally. 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Thu, 10 Mar 2022 09:36:21 -0500 From: "Salz, Rich" To: Lars Eggert , Robert Sparks CC: tools-discuss Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker Thread-Index: AQHYNBVbjV17RW0k9k27EPd3Xf8mrqy4zK2A///jkYA= Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:36:21 +0000 Message-ID: References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.59.22030601 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [172.27.118.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425, 18.0.816 definitions=2022-03-10_03:2022-03-09, 2022-03-10 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=379 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2203100079 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 9JsIHnSW1Fs6DW5EAriyxwuirF7LgWL4 X-Proofpoint-GUID: 9JsIHnSW1Fs6DW5EAriyxwuirF7LgWL4 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.205,Aquarius:18.0.816,Hydra:6.0.425,FMLib:17.11.64.514 definitions=2022-03-10_03,2022-03-09_01,2022-02-23_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 priorityscore=1501 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=360 suspectscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2203100079 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:36:42 -0000 DQo+ICAgIFRoZXJlIGlzIHNvbWUgdGhpbmtpbmcgYWJvdXQgaGF2aW5nIGEgY29tbW9uIGJzNSB0 aGVtZSBkZXNpZ25lZCBmb3IgYWxsIElFVEYgd2ViIHByZXNlbmNlcyB0aGF0IHVzZSBiczUgKHdo aWNoIGlzIElJUkMgYWxtb3N0IGFsbCBvZiB0aGVtKS4NCg0KVGhhdCB3b3VsZCBiZSBncmVhdC4N Cg0KUGVyaGFwcyBlbmdhZ2UgYSBkZXNpZ24gZmlybSAobGlrZSB0aGUgb25lcyB3aG8gZGlkIHRo ZSBUTFMgQUNNRSBldGMgc2hpcnRzIG1heWJlKS4gIEFtb25nIG90aGVyIHRoaW5ncywgdGhleSds bCBrbm93IGhvdyB0byBoYW5kbGUgQURBIChhbWVyaWNhbnMgd2l0aCBkaXNhYmlsaXR5IGFjdCkg YW5kIHNpbWlsYXIgcmVxdWlyZW1lbnRzLg0KDQpJdCBsb29rcyBnb29kLiAgSSB0cmllZCB0byBm ZXRjaCB2aWEgbW9iaWxlIGFuZCBnb3QgcmVkaXJlY3RlZCB0byB3d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcgd2l0aCBi b3RoIENocm9tZSBhbmQgRkZveC4NCg0K From nobody Thu Mar 10 06:56:35 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAC03A17E6 for ; 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Thu, 10 Mar 2022 15:56:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id AF4F94EA89E; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 15:56:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 15:56:12 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Lars Eggert Cc: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss Message-ID: References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> <5A6779B1-98F9-4354-9E5B-A2C76F3837CC@eggert.org> <3B240628-AF84-4E3A-A828-3CDC1C347B3F@eggert.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B240628-AF84-4E3A-A828-3CDC1C347B3F@eggert.org> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:56:34 -0000 On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 04:29:43PM +0200, Lars Eggert wrote: > > Ok. I guess my point is that visualization is one of those things where i think there is > > not one-presentation fits all. But i have no idea if the concept i was suggesting > > (user based customization) is something the tool offers for free. If not, then of course > > its not worth it (IMHO) to invest cycles. > > It doesn't come with bs, but if you really care, you can use Greasemonkey or similar tools to override the relevant parts of the CSS for yourself locally. Hah! I had this discussion some time back about the new rendering of RFCs on datatracker RFC-editor. Don't think greasemonkey was mentioned. Thanks. Cheers Toerless > > Thanks, > Lars > -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From ietf@rogerprice.org Thu Mar 10 00:57:05 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EFF3A11F7 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:57:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d4nq9TLRn90r for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net (relay10.mail.gandi.net [217.70.178.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AECB3A11F6 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 00:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (Authenticated sender: mailbox@rogerprice.org) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AE58240018 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 08:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 09:56:57 +0100 (CET) From: Roger Price X-X-Sender: rprice@maria.rogerprice.org To: tools-discuss In-Reply-To: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> Message-ID: References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) X-Message-Flag: Supplemental report sent to reaper.nsa.gov. rc=0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="-636875520-555199962-1646902618=:4864" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 08:40:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 14:28:44 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---636875520-555199962-1646902618=:4864 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 9 Mar 2022, Robert Sparks wrote: > - I've put a test instance up at > https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any changes > made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. > > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue at > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=new,bs5 > > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this list > (but please try not to bikeshed), ... I often read web pages referenced in e-mails with w3m, a text browser. This gives me a view of the page which is approximately that of a speech browser. I saw IETF Logo Datatracker Dev Mode • Groups □ By area/parent □ Apps & Realtime □ General □ Internet □ Ops & Management □ Routing □ Security □ Transport □ IAB □ IRTF □ IETF LLC □ Other ☆ Active AGs etc, etc, etc,... and some 50 odd lines before I got to the subject. On behalf of "low vision" readers, could you put a link at the very top of the page to the subject matter. It would save a lot of time, and doesn't get in the way of users of "high vision" browsers. The page https://www.w3.org/WAI/people-use-web/tools-techniques/ gives an example of how to do this. 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[99.31.208.116]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h13-20020adff18d000000b001f1de9f930esm7065169wro.81.2022.03.10.10.00.05 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:00:06 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_06D98584-1ED3-4B98-96B4-47A8C71D6135"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:00:03 -0800 Cc: Bob Hinden , tools-discuss Message-Id: References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.60.0.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:00:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_06D98584-1ED3-4B98-96B4-47A8C71D6135 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I am fine with the new colors, thought it is very bright :-) Nice work = to Lars! Since it is changing, one thing I would like to see is that the default = page for a draft show the =E2=80=9Chtmilized=E2=80=9D version instead of = the text version. For me that would be a lot more useful. Bob > On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > All - >=20 > Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving = the datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as = much as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way. >=20 > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough = along to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at = https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. 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Malis" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 13:26:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: Bob Hinden Cc: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e78c2505d9e15ae9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:26:45 -0000 --000000000000e78c2505d9e15ae9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, I would suggest the real html version rather than the "htmlized" version as the default. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:00 PM Bob Hinden wrote: > I am fine with the new colors, thought it is very bright :-) Nice work t= o > Lars! > > Since it is changing, one thing I would like to see is that the default > page for a draft show the =E2=80=9Chtmilized=E2=80=9D version instead of = the text version. > For me that would be a lot more useful. > > Bob > > > > On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > > > All - > > > > Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving the > datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as much > as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way. > > > > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough alon= g > to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at > https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any > changes made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. > > > > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue at > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=3Dnew,bs5 > > > > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this > list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to > further refine it. > > > > We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to focu= s > on this branch. > > > > RjS > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --000000000000e78c2505d9e15ae9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually, I would suggest the real html version rather tha= n the "htmlized" version as the default.

Cheer= s,
Andy


=
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:00 PM Bob H= inden <bob.hinden@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
I am = fine with the new colors, thought it is very bright :-)=C2=A0 Nice work to = Lars!

Since it is changing, one thing I would like to see is that the default pag= e for a draft show the =E2=80=9Chtmilized=E2=80=9D version instead of the t= ext version.=C2=A0 For me that would be a lot more useful.

Bob


> On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
> All -
>
> Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving th= e datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as much= as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way.
>
> The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough alo= ng to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at htt= ps://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any chang= es made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way.
>
> Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue a= t https://github.com/ietf-tools= /datatracker/issues/new?labels=3Dnew,bs5
>
> If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this = list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to fu= rther refine it.
>
> We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to foc= us on this branch.
>
> RjS
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org<= br> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org
> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org
> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss

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--000000000000e78c2505d9e15ae9-- From nobody Thu Mar 10 10:33:25 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B803A1B00 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:33:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R3XjJRxPsWiw for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD0BF3A1AFB for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D31243C1741; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:33:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D05a0XoWHOhp; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (219-88-179-249-adsl.sparkbb.co.nz [219.88.179.249]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0450439775B; Thu, 10 Mar 2022 10:33:18 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 07:33:16 +1300 Cc: Lars Eggert , Robert Sparks , tools-discuss Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <80A29035-3721-4B12-A687-31EAAF98A392@ietf.org> References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> To: "Salz, Rich" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:33:24 -0000 > On 11/03/2022, at 3:36 AM, Salz, Rich = wrote: >=20 >=20 >> There is some thinking about having a common bs5 theme designed for = all IETF web presences that use bs5 (which is IIRC almost all of them). >=20 > That would be great. >=20 > Perhaps engage a design firm (like the ones who did the TLS ACME etc = shirts maybe). Among other things, they'll know how to handle ADA = (americans with disability act) and similar requirements. This was done the other way around - the main website has a design that = was professionally produced some years ago. This was recently upgrade = to Bootstrap 5 (which took some work) and the web development company = that did that work was commissioned to extract all the elements into a = Bootstrap theme that can be used on other sites: https://github.com/ietf-tools/common-bootstrap-theme I=E2=80=99m not sure if this is ready to be used yet. Jay >=20 > It looks good. 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Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:57:17 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:57:16 +0100 Cc: Bob Hinden , tools-discuss , Robert Sparks Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2930ECE8-26AC-4A69-BCFF-52C3FBD17D34@tzi.org> References: <610d42a5-613d-790f-315b-6b487badb1fd@nostrum.com> To: "Andrew G. Malis" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.60.0.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 18:57:26 -0000 On 10. Mar 2022, at 19:26, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >=20 > Actually, I would suggest the real html version rather than the = "htmlized" version as the default. =E2=80=A6 and the metadata.js function could be used to mimic the header = used bu htmlized, or at least the most useful parts (say, datatracker = link, diff2, newer versions/revision track). 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Malis" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.60.0.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:30:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_03DD03D7-DFEB-42C7-9517-5D2EA42EF1D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I find the links to diffs, errata, IPR, history, etc. useful in the = =E2=80=9Chtmlized" version. I don=E2=80=99t think they are available = in the =E2=80=9Chtml=E2=80=9D one. Bob > On Mar 10, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Andrew G. Malis = wrote: >=20 > Actually, I would suggest the real html version rather than the = "htmlized" version as the default. >=20 > Cheers, > Andy >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:00 PM Bob Hinden = wrote: > I am fine with the new colors, thought it is very bright :-) Nice = work to Lars! >=20 > Since it is changing, one thing I would like to see is that the = default page for a draft show the =E2=80=9Chtmilized=E2=80=9D version = instead of the text version. For me that would be a lot more useful. >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 > > On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: > > > > All - > > > > Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving = the datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as = much as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way. > > > > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough = along to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at = https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any = changes made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. > > > > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue = at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=3Dnew,bs5 > > > > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to = this list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are = going to further refine it. > > > > We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to = focus on this branch. > > > > RjS > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --Apple-Mail=_03DD03D7-DFEB-42C7-9517-5D2EA42EF1D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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Malis" Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 16:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: To: Bob Hinden Cc: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b2113f05d9e427a7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Upcoming change to the look of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:47:09 -0000 --000000000000b2113f05d9e427a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob, See Carsten's comment about that. Cheers, Andy On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:30 PM Bob Hinden wrote: > I find the links to diffs, errata, IPR, history, etc. useful in the > =E2=80=9Chtmlized" version. I don=E2=80=99t think they are available in= the =E2=80=9Chtml=E2=80=9D one. > > Bob > > > > On Mar 10, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Andrew G. Malis wrote= : > > > > Actually, I would suggest the real html version rather than the > "htmlized" version as the default. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:00 PM Bob Hinden wrote= : > > I am fine with the new colors, thought it is very bright :-) Nice work > to Lars! > > > > Since it is changing, one thing I would like to see is that the default > page for a draft show the =E2=80=9Chtmilized=E2=80=9D version instead of = the text version. > For me that would be a lot more useful. > > > > Bob > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Robert Sparks > wrote: > > > > > > All - > > > > > > Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on moving > the datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as > much as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way. > > > > > > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enough > along to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at > https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any > changes made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way. > > > > > > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an issue > at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=3Dnew,bs5 > > > > > > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to this > list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going to > further refine it. > > > > > > We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able to > focus on this branch. > > > > > > RjS > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > --000000000000b2113f05d9e427a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,

See Carsten's comment about th= at.

Cheers,
Andy


On = Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 4:30 PM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
I find the links to diffs, errata, IPR, histor= y, etc. useful in the =E2=80=9Chtmlized" version.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I don=E2= =80=99t think they are available in the =E2=80=9Chtml=E2=80=9D one.

Bob


> On Mar 10, 2022, at 10:26 AM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, I would suggest the real html version rather than the "= htmlized" version as the default.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 1:00 PM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am fine with the new colors, thought it is very bright :-)=C2=A0 Nic= e work to Lars!
>
> Since it is changing, one thing I would like to see is that the defaul= t page for a draft show the =E2=80=9Chtmilized=E2=80=9D version instead of = the text version.=C2=A0 For me that would be a lot more useful.
>
> Bob
>
>
> > On Mar 9, 2022, at 4:25 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:<= br> > >
> > All -
> >
> > Lars began, and has done the majority of the work so far, on movi= ng the datatracker from bootstrap3 to bootstrap5, avoiding customization as= much as possible, and simplifying many dependencies along the way.
> >
> > The conversion is not complete, but the general idea is far enoug= h along to start collecting feedback - I've put a test instance up at <= a href=3D"https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">https://sandbox-ng.ietf.org/. This is a development instance and any = changes made there will not affect the real datatracker in any way.
> >
> > Please look around - if you see something truly broken open an is= sue at https://github.com/ietf-= tools/datatracker/issues/new?labels=3Dnew,bs5
> >
> > If you are not happy with use of space or colors, send a note to = this list (but please try not to bikeshed), and be aware that we are going = to further refine it.
> >
> > We are hoping sprinters at the upcoming codesprint will be able t= o focus on this branch.
> >
> > RjS
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug repor= ts.
> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org=
> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org
> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org
> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss
>
> ___________________________________________________________
> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org<= br> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org
> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org
> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): ht= tps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss

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I have a few suggestions for the documentation. Would you prefer that I j= ust submit a pull request, or create an issue first? (The suggestion is that the clone instructions should be cloning one=E2=80= =99s own fork of the repo, rather than the ietf-tools one. And fixing a t= ypo or two). -Jim P.S. The new look and feel in the sandbox is terrific. 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Use issues if you don't have a PR ready. RjS On 3/10/22 3:51 PM, Jim Fenton wrote: > On 4 Mar 2022, at 13:46, Robert Sparks wrote: > >> See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker and https://github.com/ietf-tools/mailarch. >> >> There will be a _lot_ of changes there over the next few days as we adjust the migrated repositories to github workflows. >> >> RjS > This is really great. > > I have a few suggestions for the documentation. Would you prefer that I just submit a pull request, or create an issue first? > > (The suggestion is that the clone instructions should be cloning one’s own fork of the repo, rather than the ietf-tools one. And fixing a typo or two). > > -Jim > > P.S. The new look and feel in the sandbox is terrific. 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I look forward to seeing you there! (I'll be remote). RjS From nobody Tue Mar 15 14:45:03 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD703A0A29 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 14:45:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=bluepopcorn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NZzecze-Qvvi for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 14:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v2.bluepopcorn.net (v2.bluepopcorn.net [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a994::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 306FF3A0A62 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 14:44:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bluepopcorn.net; s=supersize; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2pIrx+Q5QzYwYBmpDwz6fSYpRQpQsgIahJ9GBeOVc7g=; b=jmv3XgprqgDt4kuzdTo1rMemWh 5al8JjipmukVH1T/wzx4AxN5pknoNlfazNHkiF2MEbhxvIxVzvoQuKqquu/MJ7W6gSM2rcp99ILmB 8igB/sEWYbon5a0nKZjYAVecdcZie8i03FW5j34uvSsvBSdfXhWmq0/XJ9rSIWkFBM5Q=; Received: from [2601:647:4400:1261:6187:7ced:32b0:ca1c] (helo=[10.10.20.145]) by v2.bluepopcorn.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nUEyL-0008KI-P7 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2022 14:44:53 -0700 From: Jim Fenton To: tools-discuss Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 14:44:52 -0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5852) Message-ID: <20B5A7EA-EC82-4451-9217-5D590311D56E@bluepopcorn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] 'pdfized' pagination error? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2022 21:45:01 -0000 I=E2=80=99m looking at an Internet Draft (draft-ietf-jmap-blob-09 specifi= cally) using the =E2=80=98pdfized=E2=80=99 rendering and the bottom of th= e first page seems to have the top header line from page 2 at the bottom.= The rest of the pages rendered (and paginated) correctly. Is this a know= n problem? I=E2=80=99ll create an issue if not. -Jim From nobody Wed Mar 16 18:45:43 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197F93A1043 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FNdN9b5u4War for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c8a.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D81703A102B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0AA7425C194; Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:45:35 -0700 From: Glen To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20220317014535.GA27435@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Test, please ignore X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 01:45:41 -0000 My apologies for this test, I am testing the mail chain into Zulip. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda links open in new window? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:58:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------LpOctqnKx1HTHIVNOzo0wn6n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forcing new windows is not a nice thing to do to users. The real issue you point to here is paying for the reload time when you've _just_ loaded the agenda. We could address that with better browser caching I think? Hopefully something we can work on generally throughout the datatracker soon. The agenda page, in particular, needs to be rethought to make use of fetching a lot of the current "hidden until you hover or click" content when it's needed rather than stuffing it all in the initial page load. RjS On 3/21/22 6:01 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: > > Should all links on the agenda page (e.g., > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/agenda) open in a new window? > > I find that all the time I look at something, then hit back and wait > for the agenda to reload. > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------LpOctqnKx1HTHIVNOzo0wn6n Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Forcing new windows is not a nice thing to do to users.

The real issue you point to here is paying for the reload time when you've _just_ loaded the agenda.

We could address that with better browser caching I think? Hopefully something we can work on generally throughout the datatracker soon. The agenda page, in particular, needs to be rethought to make use of fetching a lot of the current "hidden until you hover or click" content when it's needed rather than stuffing it all in the initial page load.

RjS

On 3/21/22 6:01 AM, Salz, Rich wrote:

Should all links on the agenda page (e.g., https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/agenda) open in a new window?

I find that all the time I look at something, then hit back and wait for the agenda to reload.


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RjS From nobody Mon Mar 21 06:45:23 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10073A07FB for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 06:45:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=iki.fi Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJ-3YrHudR12 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 06:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meesny.iki.fi (meesny.iki.fi [195.140.195.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A0F33A07A9 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 06:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fireball.acr.fi (fireball.acr.fi [83.145.195.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: kivinen@iki.fi) by meesny.iki.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60B3A202E4; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:45:07 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iki.fi; s=meesny; t=1647870307; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=894quvWwhEMbfZLIho340jyQfjWH6t+rsl3pG5Ktm3A=; b=d3afjuGu+lm1/f6+oSKUSwdWtcmZTblmELazNwiNe4bPwSBQG8n174Gs7thOK1gNwxEuWr dQi7ch2JHjzBjsNU0L04BdLw3zuy6IqFA2c/rtfrt0/oqseK0mhHbSLdZAO6DboXctUSb3 Z/nESG8dAHSP9IC9qCkmAKxKQzKmp48= Received: by fireball.acr.fi (Postfix, from userid 15204) id CD99925C12A5; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:45:06 +0200 (EET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <25144.33122.736014.46508@fireball.acr.fi> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 15:45:06 +0200 From: Tero Kivinen To: Robert Sparks Cc: tools-discuss In-Reply-To: <8ce493ca-9ca6-808b-e1a8-ca05920f380f@nostrum.com> References: <8ce493ca-9ca6-808b-e1a8-ca05920f380f@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.3 (x86_64--netbsd) X-Edit-Time: 4 min X-Total-Time: 4 min ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; ORIGINATING; auth=pass smtp.auth=kivinen@iki.fi smtp.mailfrom=kivinen@iki.fi ARC-Seal: i=1; s=meesny; d=iki.fi; t=1647870307; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Mk2pzmE00kQpZ+KOKmFG/KLRIPsliEQZuNOcOVGTBohKNgqQ4hWC1WBeSTGUJYVLKlU5vk Jh8UiFhCRXSc7/ldZs3LpMGeRNnHZr/JxgfLBTXx+If0OUovE5l1Lx6sGMQTvaiaLxYwd3 r6ameBZOFfnlGc+9fzYUqsPpCamlugY= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iki.fi; s=meesny; t=1647870307; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=894quvWwhEMbfZLIho340jyQfjWH6t+rsl3pG5Ktm3A=; b=tI8+2+d9nOckllUyR5LvsD1078euF8iZz1yLMeFfsGyU0RLU3QA2sTX/gnAKKt38r9jZ8G CX2HJsGzwOb3nk4B1PFuK+J8H/AA4fauYrIMbHKM+zFS252lDWgCM1ve/S8lP9QrY079FI hgCrlASyizXnHR/iHybAYdUKaf4NiJQ= Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Reworking the /stats module from the datatracker. X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 13:45:21 -0000 Robert Sparks writes: > The /stats module has not met its original goals. There are enough > things to address that the plan now is to remove the current > implementation and revisit what it should provide and how it will build > it. See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3712. It will > take some time to remove as we need to factor a few things currently in > it away. I think the meeting and review ream statistics are still usable, and should not be removed. The meeting statistics are mostly ok, and useful. The review team statistics do have useful information, although the user interface is bit funny and not that easy to use. In some cases I have actually just taken the numbers from the reviews team statistics page and generated my own graphics to be presented during the secdir lunch. Of course for last couple of years there has not been need for that :-) -- kivinen@iki.fi From nobody Mon Mar 21 11:47:34 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8715F3A1AB3 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:47:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EYs_tWm-NGFH for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx43-out1.antispamcloud.com (mx43-out1.antispamcloud.com [138.201.61.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97FED3A1381 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xse317.mail2web.com ([66.113.197.63] helo=xse.mail2web.com) by mx256.antispamcloud.com with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nWN3q-0009lf-Nc for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:47:24 +0100 Received: from xsmtp21.mail2web.com (unknown [10.100.68.60]) by xse.mail2web.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KMkBK0zXZzDQJ for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.5.2.17] (helo=xmail07.myhosting.com) by xsmtp21.mail2web.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nWN3o-0006Cp-Vj for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:47:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 10798 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2022 18:47:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (Authenticated-user:_huitema@huitema.net@[172.58.46.247]) (envelope-sender ) by xmail07.myhosting.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with ESMTPA for ; 21 Mar 2022 18:47:16 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:47:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss References: <1fa06004-5654-ad46-71f1-a802bbbada0e@huitema.net> From: Christian Huitema In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.113.197.63 X-Spampanel-Domain: xsmtpout.mail2web.com X-Spampanel-Username: 66.113.197.0/24 Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=66.113.197.0/24@xsmtpout.mail2web.com X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.13) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Pt3MvcO5N4iKaDQ5O6lkdGlMVN6RH8bjRMzItlySaT/lcYVSVKrcazL1FWdamMRjPUtbdvnXkggZ 3YnVId/Y5jcf0yeVQAvfjHznO7+bT5xYBsnYv/AS8SzTL27x6/ipEuOubvMjlOVGoG6MTUBsWIJL M0i5ZAms0EHrvcCaVIMEljtavK4UoDwEGyAwjZdFzIXV52OyeiH3YVVX92r9x1Hy6O0dCYlf9T05 vJHa3fKcXUnX/NPpaaHkXcvmoaj8goePMbLhTX/gKyIOYF0goJuBoKRbycab+xivlMZxSt1hI2fB g1fc8MkrPTCeZwCNIRFsicyJMEhQFtD8PLoinjFCU0tibMaZMfiByLA2q5th8eXuGDB+WvlcaPhs +IMOep61KNolF2DlH2a2LdpMMmtrv2iUsvl2CC901V0YBrviEnzvvDcGs5qmm9XDE2pdZWZmIMWJ G2DzNierwWd45v2o1X92Cn4UU9JJ17dQkS7izDj4VfLGYhV5rU4pWppWERZjMvwfvbhZOry+t8BT U6S6BiS1pgrDY9yDlGBfLaRjewJ1p2KNOGtnsuIcf3b/prnOfejoy0ryl/SE9sCR4JkwTwd6I5MF c+Z5FxsZqYBzHDeqqFz43py4SDhdaHkWjWBzW47+RMTfWRj6FxhMRZsOyt1RRkQhQVfT6w3+6Ua7 TSZ5jdagWZgFt0myHY7PE9tJ3vM773gOGIZYRN78x7WP7P1L7/hcLgy7aW6O9t/RtFuayQSHKxuV s+RmqoRqqe0qvr5yub6t9+RpDpmA6CA0Agje52BJPIWMo6CsAY1Z+JJDNDyg1Ws2Rd4k3jeTsD9e 2epJm6f1omT7f7Ofbiih+9ysR/ZUDV8Y8RF6YpYhu1/rdU1t/SWu+yxj6TsAs37bYmVB/i2LS392 rM6exRxHx5OlXOwSpUqAHfd6HCyN9/YGRrhMRGhIOTxMW00yF8F1u0YDQf8cLP9taeSLFY0fPBnF 89BphpBNlUg+TzHwBTL1+6vDOMemz/4I88NDcmnEJ4r7C+SwLRamrhQTd3PrpJpP5ewAjeqkzRNl ucyd+NO2McmveAr4ch9F7rE89jihx+Za/cV70jOJzN2r4A== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine11.antispamcloud.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [113attendees] Max submissions for the same submitter has been reached for today (maximum is 50 submissions). X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:47:32 -0000 Thanks, Robert. I was assuming something was wrong with me before blaming the tools. Maybe being confused with the cutoff time. I can easily be confused :-) On 3/21/2022 11:28 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > Thanks for the report - this was an unintended side-effect of putting > the datatracker behind cloudflare. We've changed configuration so that > you shouldn't run into this limit, and are adjusting that part of the > submit code to notice that the requests came through a proxy. > Apologies for the inconvenience. > > (If you need to respond, note that I've set reply-to to tools-discuss) > > RjS > > On 3/21/22 1:19 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: >> Trying to upload a revised version of the DNS over QUIC draft, I am >> getting this error message: Max submissions for the same submitter >> has been reached for today (maximum is 50 submissions). I definitely >> did not submit 50 drafts today. I was assuming that the submission >> window was reopened. Did I miss something? >> >> -- Christian Huitema >> > From nobody Mon Mar 21 11:55:00 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642C93A1394 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:54:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWvI67bdNRBG for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx36-out21.antispamcloud.com (mx36-out21.antispamcloud.com [209.126.121.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD9C23A0D31 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xse365.mail2web.com ([66.113.197.111] helo=xse.mail2web.com) by mx256.antispamcloud.com with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nWNB7-000C0y-76 for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 19:54:55 +0100 Received: from xsmtp22.mail2web.com (unknown [10.100.68.61]) by xse.mail2web.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4KMkM04S7xzDP1 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.5.2.17] (helo=xmail07.myhosting.com) by xsmtp22.mail2web.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nWNB6-00005h-Fr for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:54:52 -0700 Received: (qmail 18608 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2022 18:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.105]) (Authenticated-user:_huitema@huitema.net@[172.58.46.247]) (envelope-sender ) by xmail07.myhosting.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with ESMTPA for ; 21 Mar 2022 18:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <69f32280-692c-3c10-f3cb-80297e3ceaa5@huitema.net> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 11:54:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US From: Christian Huitema To: tools-discuss References: <1fa06004-5654-ad46-71f1-a802bbbada0e@huitema.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 66.113.197.111 X-Spampanel-Domain: xsmtpout.mail2web.com X-Spampanel-Username: 66.113.197.0/24 Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=66.113.197.0/24@xsmtpout.mail2web.com X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Class: unsure X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.13) X-Recommended-Action: accept X-Filter-ID: Pt3MvcO5N4iKaDQ5O6lkdGlMVN6RH8bjRMzItlySaT+PGCQ354ZxbsEHQBymzAUePUtbdvnXkggZ 3YnVId/Y5jcf0yeVQAvfjHznO7+bT5xYBsnYv/AS8SzTL27x6/ipEuOubvMjlOVGoG6MTUBsWIJL M0i5ZAms0EHrvcCaVINd1TxxJlcFLZ39vJ5vYQTSzIXV52OyeiH3YVVX92r9x1Hy6O0dCYlf9T05 vJHa3fKcXUnX/NPpaaHkXcvmoaj8goePMbLhTX/gKyIOYF0goJuBoKRbycab+xivlMZxSt1hI2fB g1fc8MkrPTCeZwCNIRFsicyJMEhQFtD8PLoinjFCU0tibMaZMfiByLA2q5th8eXuGDB+WvlcaPhs +IMOep61KNolF2DlH2a2LdpMMmtrv2iUsvl2CC901V0YBrviEnzvvDcGs5qmm9XDE2pdZWZmIMWJ G2DzNierwWd45v2o1X92Cn4UU9JJ17dQkS7izDj4VfLGYhV5rU4pWppWERZjMvwfvbhZOry+t8BT U6S6BiS1pgrDY9yDlGBfLaRjewJ1p2KNOGtnsuIcf3b/prnOfejoy0ryl/SE9sCR4JkwTwd6I5MF c+Z5FxsZqYBzHDeqqFz43py4SDhdaHkWjWBzW47+RMTfWRj6FxhMRZsOyt1RRkQhQVfT6w3+6UYI p74JURqgqaeT+oMfYliTE9tJ3vM773gOGIZYRN78x7WP7P1L7/hcLgy7aW6O9t/RtFuayQSHKxuV s+RmqoRqqe0qvr5yub6t9+RpDpmA6GtcmAKftEYwNqmXojTR0CtZ+JJDNDyg1Ws2Rd4k3jeT8MNX Jbs1G0OYbyP1Q53WfaPlURy/u8sDj+7ZZk+zsl4hu1/rdU1t/SWu+yxj6TsAG4X5FYGN2cYtHCw4 26tWMCzbynwaAfQyylQYD892vDJr5vnQa4fxj449P5oW7YQHYQ8wzy2QJQIUKJy/qSm2GOCf6RKb ch43rE0pU6z6zJn/asDO0V6SUvEY03codo+QgAHGMdQRtAWrhIjqeKCCBgSxHYJFmeUT7QkDnhEY hkQ0Y/Q/ByyhwCqTxj/BD57gcGrPtNGJYX3VT+yZ12sm8Q== X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine11.antispamcloud.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [113attendees] Max submissions for the same submitter has been reached for today (maximum is 50 submissions). X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2022 18:54:59 -0000 Second submission attempt worked, thanks. On 3/21/2022 11:47 AM, Christian Huitema wrote: > Thanks, Robert. I was assuming something was wrong with me before > blaming the tools. Maybe being confused with the cutoff time. I can > easily be confused :-) > > On 3/21/2022 11:28 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> Thanks for the report - this was an unintended side-effect of putting >> the datatracker behind cloudflare. We've changed configuration so >> that you shouldn't run into this limit, and are adjusting that part >> of the submit code to notice that the requests came through a proxy. >> Apologies for the inconvenience. >> >> (If you need to respond, note that I've set reply-to to tools-discuss) >> >> RjS >> >> On 3/21/22 1:19 PM, Christian Huitema wrote: >>> Trying to upload a revised version of the DNS over QUIC draft, I am >>> getting this error message: Max submissions for the same submitter >>> has been reached for today (maximum is 50 submissions). I definitely >>> did not submit 50 drafts today. I was assuming that the submission >>> window was reopened. Did I miss something? >>> >>> -- Christian Huitema >>> >> From nobody Tue Mar 22 02:58:37 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E003A11B9 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 02:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ep6eigMabPGi for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 02:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF65F3A1077 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 02:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KN6PB05w1zDChT; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:58:05 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 669635885.627499-0b8e976d5a388e07f0a63b9a394f2b88 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:58:05 +0100 Message-Id: <4B8F8E77-9CFC-436D-A2E5-717DCA7FF0B7@tzi.org> To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: use monospace font for countdown timer X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:58:34 -0000 Using a non-monospaced font creates too much distraction. (I don=E2=80=99t know where to put these simple observations, so I=E2=80=99= ll dump them here until redirected to a better place.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Mar 22 03:21:02 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6023A0E04 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 03:21:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lwk5nV69vQ4Y for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 03:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1CC33A0E16 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 03:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3052C58C4B0 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:20:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 989BC4EA9BA; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:20:48 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:20:48 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] How to propose slides ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:21:01 -0000 [resending due to typo, sorry] Whats the shortest "click-path" from datatracker.ietf.org to https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting//session/ so that a contributor can click "[Propose Slides]" on that page ? I thought originally, the path was: datatracker.ietf.org -> Meetings -> Materials which took you to: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/materials/ And then you could click on a hotlink for the group in question which would take you to that groups material page where you could propose slides. But now, those hotlinks are gone, probably as a result of the redesign of that "meetings/materials" page. I still see the link with the label "Edit Materials" for my own WG (ANIMA) though. Aka: i am claiming we have a regression bug which makes the "Propose Slides" unreachable for people who do not remember the explicit URLs to get there. Would be great to fix that on "meeting/materials" page. Cheers Toerless From nobody Tue Mar 22 05:07:12 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741733A116D; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 05:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.712 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.712 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.186, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jp7gC9ml1qs1; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 05:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A7503A118C; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 05:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:6e88:14ff:fe34:93bc]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36C381F458; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 7A49B1A01C2; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, support@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:07:00 +0100 Message-ID: <785410.1647950820@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] joining with video off X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 12:07:11 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I find myself in my hotel room, on ietf-hotel for reasons too long to explain, trying to join ACE meetecho. It keeps restarting. Maybe too much video? I try to turn off video, but then it reconnects, and the videos are on again. 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I have a few suggestions relating to presenting the slides in Meetecho. We had all of the slides in the datatracker prior to the meeting. It = would be a lot easier if there was a way to upload all of them to = Meetecho at once instead of having to do it for each presentation. We = ended up missing one presentation and had to do it during the meeting. = A single action to upload them all would be helpful, or better having = them automatically be uploaded from the datatracker when the session = opens up. The other thing, it would be helpful if there was a easy way to have the = presentations in the order they are in the agenda. I am not sure if = they are in the order that they were uploaded or alphabetical, but = Agenda order would be better for sharing them in the meeting. Or at = least give the chairs the ability to reorder them to match the agenda. Thanks Bob p.s. I wanted to mention that Meetecho worked great for us. No = significant issues at all. --Apple-Mail=_34B27990-66D7-421D-9C20-E43ECADF0559 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAmI5y6UACgkQrut0EXfn u6gjoggAp7wMnJCGTnL9csLtmrPkuuPa3Eb8KT3Vf3aleuKHLgKoXzyKtYaHxsf9 a8p7bf0meyQE/osN4q9h9WbJHZqvNTYcNH0d+ghFLf+YrJBgB5jrua6XIgCfIOvB KEXib75vqgHbEyi9Pe5o/2agZw271BeYvj7LFTkvQ9tjxj9zbmQdMkA4rU4nx1Rj zMBrqrs0trHdD9PnxeVWek/vJh5p16yAn5NHdG07XPDpAlouIasNDme9+qGdkZin igCqI80mxf+9jUVciBHmy+3cmiKwPZkmns5g2Y+qHoiwTKpjY/6ByDcaAL5Y1hMv avuQVbaB8hX9pvRDrbwvoUkWqex6Mw== =zahu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_34B27990-66D7-421D-9C20-E43ECADF0559-- From nobody Tue Mar 22 07:49:25 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8CB3A09EE for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lj_ue6r1S3jh for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 07:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8459A3A0A09 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 07:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B295B58C4B0; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:49:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 2657F4EA9BE; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:49:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:49:12 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Bob Hinden Cc: tools-discuss , Ole =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tr=F8an?= Message-ID: References: <96C0A27C-F5D3-474D-BE64-FD4F34559602@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <96C0A27C-F5D3-474D-BE64-FD4F34559602@gmail.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho Uploading Slides X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 14:49:23 -0000 On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 06:14:13AM -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: > We had all of the slides in the datatracker prior to the meeting. It would be a lot easier if there was a way to upload all of them to Meetecho at once instead of having to do it for each presentation. We ended up missing one presentation and had to do it during the meeting. A single action to upload them all would be helpful, or better having them automatically be uploaded from the datatracker when the session opens up. If i remember correctly from IETF112 and before, you also only have the 15 minutes before the meeting starts to upload the slides. Is that correct, or am i missing an option to relax the timing of this operation more ? > The other thing, it would be helpful if there was a easy way to have the presentations in the order they are in the agenda. I am not sure if they are in the order that they were uploaded or alphabetical, but Agenda order would be better for sharing them in the meeting. Or at least give the chairs the ability to reorder them to match the agenda. I am always trying to give the presentation titles like "NN blabla", but the tooling makes it difficult to insert items later as you manually need to renumber everything. So a numbering system of agenda items with insert/remove and auto-renumber would be lovely. > p.s. I wanted to mention that Meetecho worked great for us. No significant issues at all. >From my in-room experience a lot of audio from people at home is bad to understand, i think because of base issues. Maybe tune down the base level for the in-room speakers. But don't think its MeetEcho. 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It = would be a lot easier if there was a way to upload all of them to = Meetecho at once instead of having to do it for each presentation. We = ended up missing one presentation and had to do it during the meeting. = A single action to upload them all would be helpful, or better having = them automatically be uploaded from the datatracker when the session = opens up. >=20 > If i remember correctly from IETF112 and before, you also only have = the 15 minutes > before the meeting starts to upload the slides. Is that correct, or am = i missing > an option to relax the timing of this operation more ? We did it in the 15 minute time before the meeting started. It = wasn=E2=80=99t that we didn=E2=80=99t have enough time. >=20 >> The other thing, it would be helpful if there was a easy way to have = the presentations in the order they are in the agenda. I am not = sure if they are in the order that they were uploaded or alphabetical, = but Agenda order would be better for sharing them in the meeting. Or = at least give the chairs the ability to reorder them to match the = agenda. >=20 > I am always trying to give the presentation titles like "NN blabla", = but the > tooling makes it difficult to insert items later as you manually need > to renumber everything. So a numbering system of agenda items with = insert/remove > and auto-renumber would be lovely. Agree >=20 >> p.s. I wanted to mention that Meetecho worked great for us. No = significant issues at all. >=20 > =46rom my in-room experience a lot of audio from people at home is bad = to understand, > i think because of base issues. Maybe tune down the base level for the = in-room > speakers. But don't think its MeetEcho. My experience being remote was overall good. Bob >=20 > Cheers > Toerless >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 >=20 > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de --Apple-Mail=_4DEEC3D4-C91C-440D-ACE9-297D1A34E483 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAmI54/AACgkQrut0EXfn u6gQqQf/blriloWCuEfkbym3sIifoJgBzoCeIiSD3X/GoWC+nqH5zs8iNkWqyeW6 Y2ymoh6sg6Dkcc2JhZt3ojh2CqSRs19h48UztgCWYVU3+h8lNQtkO0uNe76CMq/Q neguQtDhDO14OeQGlYzc7aceuD7ViNf+SWht91+etDtgY430dWM54fOoB62s5QUB ulnF7KYJ7w6Q4FffJDYUNy4XhTYoIRPc3o6Og2gXsT/DcwB0Z78WbiYbLyW7N1aJ iTLwYRXcAjCAKTYJBYcsO90yZOnmq2pdJYfxQv0uhiIGcFG5yIV3gQ6aHxdU4FxB 64+OpFSNXePcSewfzCafSP1Z7QXfJQ== =gZgG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_4DEEC3D4-C91C-440D-ACE9-297D1A34E483-- From nobody Tue Mar 22 08:02:26 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E783A1508 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:02:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vlQRbkxRBBEq for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D910D3A1502 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KNF881wttzDCd0; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:02:16 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:02:15 +0100 Message-Id: <7C83919A-2D2C-440F-ACA0-4BB1A391D00B@tzi.org> To: tools-discuss X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: Monitors X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:02:25 -0000 Several chairs have complained that they can=E2=80=99t hear us. 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Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Mar 22 08:07:53 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744313A15A6 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=eggert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 94kkCoqFcDeU for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.eggert.org (mail.eggert.org [IPv6:2a00:ac00:4000:400:211:32ff:fe22:186f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D8FB3A158B for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:19e6:6c56:603:e790]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eggert.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1443C28090C; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:07:27 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=eggert.org; s=dkim; t=1647961648; bh=2thkeqeM2bkX0zpIdC/iNQ4bx0rSkClTreHrBO1JXQ8=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=LLlmZq5Ak8sWc7mBlIRnB/ny7C44wbfLDDE3AyaUt65fv+NAqL/qu/OtFwq/+Wwvp H1kniQ7XjVSKmxs7jNNAbokdpfpWugq51wZJ3DqbeDGRIh/4ayLbLmV2DqOHuJWa/Z pVeVHaPmA/dibC4Q/SaMhnO0mRkLNpDbpTxSz4pU= Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D1EC68BD-38BF-45C3-B076-5B88306C7415"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <08A2E163-8856-482F-9D65-4FDD9AE46BBE@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:07:17 +0100 Cc: Toerless Eckert , =?utf-8?Q?Ole_Tr=C3=B8an?= , tools-discuss Message-Id: References: <96C0A27C-F5D3-474D-BE64-FD4F34559602@gmail.com> <08A2E163-8856-482F-9D65-4FDD9AE46BBE@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-MailScanner-ID: 1443C28090C.A333E X-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: lars@eggert.org Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho Uploading Slides X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:07:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D1EC68BD-38BF-45C3-B076-5B88306C7415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2022-3-22, at 15:57, Bob Hinden wrote: >> On Mar 22, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>=20 >> I am always trying to give the presentation titles like "NN blabla", = but the >> tooling makes it difficult to insert items later as you manually need >> to renumber everything. So a numbering system of agenda items with = insert/remove >> and auto-renumber would be lovely. >=20 > Agree Is should be possible to reorder presentations simply by drag-and-drop. = If that doesn't work, it's a regression in the datatracker. 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charset=utf-8 Lars, > On Mar 22, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: >=20 > On 2022-3-22, at 15:57, Bob Hinden wrote: >>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>>=20 >>> I am always trying to give the presentation titles like "NN blabla", = but the >>> tooling makes it difficult to insert items later as you manually = need >>> to renumber everything. So a numbering system of agenda items with = insert/remove >>> and auto-renumber would be lovely. >>=20 >> Agree >=20 > Is should be possible to reorder presentations simply by = drag-and-drop. If that doesn't work, it's a regression in the = datatracker. That works fine in the datatracker (and I used that). This is about = the slides that are uploaded to Meetecho. I wasn=E2=80=99t aware these = could also be reordered. 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So a numbering system of agenda items with insert/remove >>> and auto-renumber would be lovely. >> Agree > Is should be possible to reorder presentations simply by drag-and-drop. If that doesn't work, it's a regression in the datatracker. Would have been simple enough to just check? I did. It still works. It may be hard to see - there's only the small bit of instruction at the bottom of the slides panel to let a chair know they can do this. Perhaps in feat/bs5 we can put handles on these to make it more obvious you can drag them around? RjS > > Thanks, > Lars > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Tue Mar 22 08:16:27 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39483A0B2A for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u66jXJqzFh9t for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4549F3A1514 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KNFRw1rTYzDCby; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:15:56 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:15:55 +0100 Cc: Lars Eggert , =?utf-8?Q?Ole_Tr=C3=B8an?= , tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 669654955.853334-b83562a49523c08c826b0d602374baee Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B2E127D-BC33-4E10-9080-2A398C9D2482@tzi.org> References: <96C0A27C-F5D3-474D-BE64-FD4F34559602@gmail.com> <08A2E163-8856-482F-9D65-4FDD9AE46BBE@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho Uploading Slides X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:16:07 -0000 On 2022-03-22, at 16:09, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part > Lars, >=20 >> On Mar 22, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: >>=20 >> On 2022-3-22, at 15:57, Bob Hinden wrote: >>>> On Mar 22, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> I am always trying to give the presentation titles like "NN = blabla", but the >>>> tooling makes it difficult to insert items later as you manually = need >>>> to renumber everything. So a numbering system of agenda items with = insert/remove >>>> and auto-renumber would be lovely. >>>=20 >>> Agree >>=20 >> Is should be possible to reorder presentations simply by = drag-and-drop. If that doesn't work, it's a regression in the = datatracker. >=20 > That works fine in the datatracker (and I used that). This is about = the slides that are uploaded to Meetecho. I wasn=E2=80=99t aware these = could also be reordered. In a recent interim I was surprised that the imported meetecho slide set = was in the same order as the datatracker slide set. Not sure what I did = right to make this happen. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Mar 22 08:16:44 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEC43A1514 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:16:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSMTSPsqvnB7 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B89623A0B2A for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C971A58C4B0; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:16:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 302364EA9BF; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:16:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:16:19 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: tools-discuss Message-ID: References: <7C83919A-2D2C-440F-ACA0-4BB1A391D00B@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <7C83919A-2D2C-440F-ACA0-4BB1A391D00B@tzi.org> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: Monitors X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:16:30 -0000 There is a floor positioned monitor speaker for the presenter and chairs in the room, but right now when i was presenting (DetNet), the noise from the hallway was making it very hard to hear that monitor loudspeaker sound also because i think all those speakers are too base heavy. I have to find an audio guy and ask about this. And the door for the room could only be opened/closed by two people in parallel (almost immovable) This whole idea of meeting in person will never work ;-) Cheers Toerless On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 04:02:15PM +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Several chairs have complained that they can’t hear us. The chair table is outside the area covered by the in-room speakers. > > These need a monitor (speaker). > > Onsite presenters can’t see online commenters unless they turn away from the microphone, making them inaudible. > > These need a monitor (screen). > > Grüße, Carsten > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Tue Mar 22 09:17:38 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F073A043C for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81NutNW68D7N for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0019C3A0417 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C6B858C4B0; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:17:25 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 789F74EA9C0; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:17:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:17:24 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Bob Hinden Cc: tools-discuss , Ole =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tr=F8an?= Message-ID: References: <96C0A27C-F5D3-474D-BE64-FD4F34559602@gmail.com> <08A2E163-8856-482F-9D65-4FDD9AE46BBE@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <08A2E163-8856-482F-9D65-4FDD9AE46BBE@gmail.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho Uploading Slides X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:17:34 -0000 On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 07:57:52AM -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: > We did it in the 15 minute time before the meeting started. It wasn’t that we didn’t have enough time. Thanks for reconfirming. I got nervous one time knowing the clock was running on me ;-) > >> p.s. I wanted to mention that Meetecho worked great for us. No significant issues at all. > > > > From my in-room experience a lot of audio from people at home is bad to understand, > > i think because of base issues. Maybe tune down the base level for the in-room > > speakers. But don't think its MeetEcho. > > My experience being remote was overall good. I talked to one of the audio guys and he said he'll check the base level tomorrow. Let's see. Cheers Toerless > Bob > > > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > > > > > > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > -- > > --- > > tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Tue Mar 22 09:33:29 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C5C3A07A9 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HTb9wrxpSvxt for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C2C83A073E for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KNH994sKgzDCdP; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:33:17 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:33:17 +0100 Cc: Bob Hinden , =?utf-8?Q?Ole_Tr=C3=B8an?= , tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 669659597.2149971-4f24914d7d996d0ed8d4b0058cc8811c Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <85CC469F-EF19-41B0-BAFA-AF5B5E1E2D02@tzi.org> References: <96C0A27C-F5D3-474D-BE64-FD4F34559602@gmail.com> <08A2E163-8856-482F-9D65-4FDD9AE46BBE@gmail.com> To: Toerless Eckert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho Uploading Slides X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:33:28 -0000 On 2022-03-22, at 17:17, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > I talked to one of the audio guys and he said he'll check the base = level tomorrow. And while they look at the base level, they could also look at the bass = level :-) In these heavily carpeted rooms, you really want to EQ out anything < = 150 Hz. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Mar 22 09:39:02 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBE53A07DE for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:38:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.88 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.88 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bNDiNIkmC3mo for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E98AE3A043E for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 189E958C4B0; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:38:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 7F5AF4EA9C0; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:38:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:38:13 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Bob Hinden , Ole =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tr=F8an?= , tools-discuss Message-ID: References: <96C0A27C-F5D3-474D-BE64-FD4F34559602@gmail.com> <08A2E163-8856-482F-9D65-4FDD9AE46BBE@gmail.com> <85CC469F-EF19-41B0-BAFA-AF5B5E1E2D02@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <85CC469F-EF19-41B0-BAFA-AF5B5E1E2D02@tzi.org> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho Uploading Slides X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:39:00 -0000 On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 05:33:17PM +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2022-03-22, at 17:17, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > I talked to one of the audio guys and he said he'll check the base level tomorrow. > > And while they look at the base level, they could also look at the bass level :-) ;-) thanks. > In these heavily carpeted rooms, you really want to EQ out anything < 150 Hz. Different rooms seem to be differently well leveled. Cheers Toerless From nobody Tue Mar 22 10:31:15 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07353A08F5 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=aruba.it Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jna8QHvtqHhk for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpcmd04132.aruba.it (smtpcmd04132.aruba.it [62.149.158.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07E43A08A1 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.130.230.90] ([31.130.230.90]) by Aruba Outgoing Smtp with ESMTPSA id WiLYnAHrWUfTzWiLYnUTm8; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:31:05 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=aruba.it; s=a1; t=1647970265; bh=7K47FDesVABx0ONZ+2ToGjNMEdWWNMmCT1DTmhf/0og=; h=Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:From:Content-Type; b=JD2cYhK1CRqBU50qjz4n7np+0ZoCzhKMQDpwsDbEVZjGeOMnByqawwWzIumK8ohM4 7Fd82jaL0Qy+r4EWCTvFYDbXn7j2yGTgFKRnW2N0MRnnrEuun/M9aqygnlQWeny0J5 E0KKQ1hmB/60CTTKc8jfUrSqGYzt83GYHVCs5o7lViW2CG14Ufh9YyJge6OUVOeijs PTWlY7gFardS0bAd2M6V048GCsFytX4IsqEc2HBh3wCMPJ/dmbayO0tN6eaibwSowg xNfE+BHub5YPH7nykBmK7tlXkraBNuItymim+slGTc3urMX6s8xXhoiS1j4NtPTxi+ 0rwmJytJbJn1g== Message-ID: <04b111cc-7ab3-3282-4742-5f83ddf685f7@meetecho.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:31:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 Thunderbird/91.5.0 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4B8F8E77-9CFC-436D-A2E5-717DCA7FF0B7@tzi.org> From: Meetecho IETF support In-Reply-To: <4B8F8E77-9CFC-436D-A2E5-717DCA7FF0B7@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIOEcgFGM15Bj5EFY04+3XxOAYrermwtfx+9q72fRjh+GPciHp3UPtnhYE40fGXvsxQ8a68D68e1p38rPye7H1B86A6v/Q7MY89jmGTmGrGnTlTUq5VL vKb+9fHkC95i4wjKIEfp9sZomXNeHC6/bS8iasUr4WBDQfERErjrUSeW Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: use monospace font for countdown timer X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:31:13 -0000 Il 22/03/22 10:58, Carsten Bormann ha scritto: > Using a non-monospaced font creates too much distraction. > > (I don’t know where to put these simple observations, so I’ll dump them here until redirected to a better place.) This is the right place to provide feedback and feature requests. We'll parse all feedback we get after the meeting. 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Tue, 22 Mar 2022 13:56:07 -0400 From: "Salz, Rich" To: Meetecho IETF support , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: use monospace font for countdown timer Thread-Index: AQHYPdOXFmyHGGJCyEK7A4Adknkzu6zL7J0A///D8YA= Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:56:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4B8F8E77-9CFC-436D-A2E5-717DCA7FF0B7@tzi.org> <04b111cc-7ab3-3282-4742-5f83ddf685f7@meetecho.com> In-Reply-To: <04b111cc-7ab3-3282-4742-5f83ddf685f7@meetecho.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.59.22031300 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [172.27.118.139] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <363B2191707E55489989347AA2BE671D@akamai.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.425, 18.0.850 definitions=2022-03-22_07:2022-03-22, 2022-03-22 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=671 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2203220095 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: dOmHW3DDkRNmZRmyCXiHrzu5M5S_272H X-Proofpoint-GUID: dOmHW3DDkRNmZRmyCXiHrzu5M5S_272H X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.205,Aquarius:18.0.850,Hydra:6.0.425,FMLib:17.11.64.514 definitions=2022-03-22_07,2022-03-22_01,2022-02-23_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 impostorscore=0 priorityscore=1501 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=674 clxscore=1011 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2203220095 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: use monospace font for countdown timer X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:56:17 -0000 PiAgICBUaGlzIGlzIHRoZSByaWdodCBwbGFjZSB0byBwcm92aWRlIGZlZWRiYWNrIGFuZCBmZWF0 dXJlIHJlcXVlc3RzLiBXZSdsbCANCiAgICBwYXJzZSBhbGwgZmVlZGJhY2sgd2UgZ2V0IGFmdGVy IHRoZSBtZWV0aW5nLg0KDQpUYWtlIHRoaXMsIHRvbzogSSB0aGluayB5b3UgcGVvcGxlIGFyZSBk b2luZyBhIGdyZWF0IGpvYiB3aXRoIHRoZSBmaXJzdC1ldmVyIGh5YnJpZC4NCg0K From nobody Tue Mar 22 10:59:28 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6BC3A0E05 for ; 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Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:59:19 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 18:59:18 +0100 Cc: Meetecho IETF support , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 669664758.778933-f60e5f6aad52e998f4dac2e4e41c8f16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <777F56F7-FFA8-4697-A6F0-28E68FE2C8E6@tzi.org> References: <4B8F8E77-9CFC-436D-A2E5-717DCA7FF0B7@tzi.org> <04b111cc-7ab3-3282-4742-5f83ddf685f7@meetecho.com> To: "Salz, Rich" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: use monospace font for countdown timer X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:59:27 -0000 On 2022-03-22, at 18:56, Salz, Rich = wrote: >=20 > Take this, too: I think you people are doing a great job with the = first-ever hybrid. Man soll den Tag nicht vor dem Abend loben (*), but so far: +1000! Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten (*) Useless translation: Don't count your chickens before they hatch. 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Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Mar 23 04:02:29 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEB13A15F2 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lEuzf5PXjNTO for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 04:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCAB13A15ED for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 04:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:8273:5eb7:1d0c:7402]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 666681F458; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id C37091A01C2; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:02:18 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Richardson To: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Carsten Bormann message dated "Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:56:28 +0100." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:02:18 +0100 Message-ID: <43085.1648033338@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Meetecho: Queue must always show X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:02:28 -0000 Carsten Bormann wrote: > Speakers and and Chairs don=E2=80=99t see queued people because they = have > scrolled down. BTW: I think we did actually ask (three IETFs ago or so) for the queue of people not to move before on it's own. 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[213.175.37.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f7-20020a1cc907000000b0038c756fe683sm3703962wmb.43.2022.03.23.04.28.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Mar 2022 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:28:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org From: =?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBNZW7FocOtaw==?= Organization: Red Hat Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=pemensik@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] DNSSEC algorithm used on ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 11:28:52 -0000 Hello, I work in Red Hat on DNS related products. We were analysing impact on disabling algorithm RSASHA1. It is in a strange sitation, because IETF itself deprecated this algorithm [1], but is using it for all documents it publishes. For some reason site stats.dnssec-tools.org gives it as an example [2]. It seems update of Key signing key (ksk) and algorithm should be upgraded to more recent algorithm. There is also informational RFC 7583 [3], which should help with it. Is there already plan to upgrade DNSSEC algorithm? Is there any specific reason why it stayed unchanged? I were directed here by the support of ietf. Might be also interesting topic for dnsop WG. Were upgrade already considered? Best Regards, Petr Menšík 1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8624#section-3 2. https://stats.dnssec-tools.org/explore/ 3. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7583 -- Petr Menšík Software Engineer Red Hat, http://www.redhat.com/ email: pemensik@redhat.com PGP: DFCF908DB7C87E8E529925BC4931CA5B6C9FC5CB From nobody Wed Mar 23 05:35:12 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBA83A0F35 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 05:35:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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I somehow doubt dnsop WG members has access to any production systems of IETF. I would forward it there. On 3/23/22 13:35, Salz, Rich wrote: > Hi there. I think you got a bad pointer :) This list is for discussion of the tools that the IETF itself uses, notably the datatracker.ietf.org website. > > I think starting with DNSOP might be more fruitful. > > -- Petr Menšík Software Engineer Red Hat, http://www.redhat.com/ email: pemensik@redhat.com PGP: DFCF908DB7C87E8E529925BC4931CA5B6C9FC5CB From nobody Wed Mar 23 07:30:52 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111FC3A15C8 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 07:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Yes, my question was exactly about that. 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boundary="_000_HE1PR0701MB3050AE35DDC40C0DC6B0291F89189HE1PR0701MB3050_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HE1PR0701MB3050.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: da7bb90c-c469-4ee6-c67b-08da0cdac87a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Mar 2022 14:38:21.9271 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ml6+zrC7WTZKPrF+QtqUGqVEa4PJil1t7l11nZEj2AsX1dRycRDmeKhugWkd4gSwpFYjCC8z38pezKnpecSwhf3PW14efrJyK8p0gAZoAGk= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: PAXPR07MB8032 Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Problematic that recordings are not immediately available X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:38:35 -0000 --_000_HE1PR0701MB3050AE35DDC40C0DC6B0291F89189HE1PR0701MB3050_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I missed several sessions yesterday due to parallel sessions or other commi= tments. When trying to look of the recordings I get: "In the event that the meeting has actually taken place and its registratio= n is still missing 48 hours after the session has ended, please send an ema= il to IETF113-recordings@meetecho.com to report the issue." 48 hours seems ridiculously slow. Recordings in Microsoft Teams are availab= le within an hour. Not having recordings available within hours makes it ve= ry hard to effectively cover IETF and prepare presentations later in the we= ek. Could IETF rent some cloud computing until IETF 114? Or make uncut vers= ions available immediately (if that is the problem)? Cheers, John --_000_HE1PR0701MB3050AE35DDC40C0DC6B0291F89189HE1PR0701MB3050_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

I missed several sessions yesterday due to parallel = sessions or other commitments. When trying to look of the recordings I get<= span lang=3D"EN-US">:

 

"In the event that the meeting has actually tak= en place and its registration is still missing 48 hours after the session h= as ended, please send an email to IETF113-recordings@meetecho.com to report= the issue."

 

48 hours seems ridiculously slow. Recordings in Micr= osoft Teams are available within an hour. Not having recordings available w= ithin hours makes it very hard to effectively cover IETF and prepare presen= tations later in the week. Could IETF rent some cloud = computing until IETF 114? Or make uncut versions available immediately (if = that is the problem)?

 

Cheers,

John

--_000_HE1PR0701MB3050AE35DDC40C0DC6B0291F89189HE1PR0701MB3050_-- From nobody Wed Mar 23 07:49:10 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884A53A171E for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 07:49:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.907 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.907 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wIVNRYje7zM2 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A849B3A171D for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KNrpL4shgzDCcX; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:48:58 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:48:58 +0100 Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 669739738.084046-17eb217d55a42ebf36a71255e36e6c6a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7FDDDF03-E195-48D7-B784-A7567DFD24EF@tzi.org> References: To: John Mattsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Problematic that recordings are not immediately available X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 14:49:09 -0000 On 2022-03-23, at 15:38, John Mattsson = wrote: >=20 > Hi, > =20 > I missed several sessions yesterday due to parallel sessions or other = commitments. When trying to look of the recordings I get: I agree that quick availability is an important metric for the = efficiency of the overall meeting. The YouTube videos are usually up within 24 hours. But even that may mean that we can=E2=80=99t quickly look up things for = the next meeting slot. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Mar 23 09:30:49 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE273A17BF for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 09:30:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ALpua4bpDpJT for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 09:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00:e000:2bb::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54FFA3A18BB for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 09:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:8273:5eb7:1d0c:7402]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 714AC1F458; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 345861A01C2; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:30:24 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Richardson To: =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3FUTF-8=3FB=3FUGV0ciBNZW7FocOtaw=3D=3D=3F=3D?= cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3FUTF-8=3FB=3FUGV0ciBNZW7FocOtaw=3D?= =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3F=3D?= message dated "Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:28:39 +0100." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: <73633.1648053024@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DNSSEC algorithm used on ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:30:36 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Petr Men=C5=A1=C3=ADk wrote: > I work in Red Hat on DNS related products. We were analysing impact on > disabling algorithm RSASHA1. It is in a strange sitation, because IETF > itself deprecated this algorithm [1], but is using it for all documen= ts > it publishes. For some reason site stats.dnssec-tools.org gives it as > an example [2]. It seems update of Key signing key (ksk) and algorithm > should be upgraded to more recent algorithm. There is also > informational RFC 7583 [3], which should help with it. I think you are saying that ietf.org itself is secured by RSASHA1. see: https://dnsviz.net/d/ietf.org/dnssec/ While Rich's comment thta tools-discuss@ might be the wrong place for thi= s, dnsop WG is also not the right place. I would email support@ietf.org. This is something for AMSL (Glen) to consider how/when to replace the KSK a= nd ZSK with a newer algorithm. 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We have the IETF BoFs page, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bofs/ which lis= ts the BoFs. The Links on that page are, for instance, https://datatracker.= ietf.org/wg/can/about/ - but this has no summary of what CAN is, because i= t is a non-WG-forming BoF. However, there's another page https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bof-requests= which does have a summary from the proponents what their BoF is about. Is it possible to add a pointer to the bof-requests page on the bofs page p= lease? Best wishes, Phil --_000_LO0P123MB6063E16BFC8ED2F9B699FD25EB189LO0P123MB6063GBRP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A suggestion – hoping you’re the right people to suggest t= his to.

We have the IETF BoFs page, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bofs/ which lists the BoFs. The Links o= n that page are, for instance, https://datatracker.= ietf.org/wg/can/about/  - but this has no summary of what CAN is, = because it is a non-WG-forming BoF.

 

However, there’s another page https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bof-requests which does have a summary= from the proponents what their BoF is about.

 

Is it possible to add a pointer to the bof-requests = page on the bofs page please?

 

Best wishes,

Phil

 

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[213.175.37.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g10-20020a5d46ca000000b00203fd86e198sm610361wrs.96.2022.03.23.12.52.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Mar 2022 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <81e354e4-5ddc-2543-c900-a35a280a7452@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 20:52:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.5.0 To: Michael Richardson Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <73633.1648053024@dooku> From: =?UTF-8?B?UGV0ciBNZW7FocOtaw==?= Organization: Red Hat In-Reply-To: <73633.1648053024@dooku> Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=pemensik@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DNSSEC algorithm used on ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:52:18 -0000 That is where I started with ticket [rt5.ietf.org #4814] and Glen suggested this list might be the best try. Here I am. On 3/23/22 17:30, Michael Richardson wrote: > I think you are saying that ietf.org itself is secured by RSASHA1. > see: https://dnsviz.net/d/ietf.org/dnssec/ > > While Rich's comment thta tools-discuss@ might be the wrong place for this, > dnsop WG is also not the right place. > > I would email support@ietf.org. > This is something for AMSL (Glen) to consider how/when to replace the KSK and > ZSK with a newer algorithm. (My zones still use RSASHA1 too) Well, then I think you may plan to upgrade your KSK algorithm also. > -- Petr Menšík Software Engineer Red Hat, http://www.redhat.com/ email: pemensik@redhat.com PGP: DFCF908DB7C87E8E529925BC4931CA5B6C9FC5CB From nobody Wed Mar 23 15:29:23 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD5B3A09EB for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FAKE_REPLY_C=1.486, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Tsl3iJPNacm for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c8a.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 326E73A0A79 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0B733425A344; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:29:20 -0700 From: Glen To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20220323222920.GA20311@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DNSSEC algorithm used on ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:29:22 -0000 All - On 3/23/22 17:30, Michael Richardson wrote: > I would email support@ietf.org. > This is something for AMSL (Glen) to consider how/when to replace the KSK and > ZSK with a newer algorithm. (My zones still use RSASHA1 too) And Petr replied: > That is where I started with ticket [rt5.ietf.org #4814] and Glen > suggested this list might be the best try. Here I am. Petr did indeed email support@ietf.org, and I did indeed refer him here. Here is why: DNSSEC was set up under the direction of IETF leadership so long ago that I cannot even find the email thread anymore. What I do recall is that several people then in the DNSSEC working group provided me with very detailed and specific instructions (as in: what specific commands to type!) to set up and deploy DNSSEC. I was provided with instructions for re-signing the zones when I made changes, and we connnected with Afilias to provide the upstream connectivity. At the time, it was impressed upon me by those participants that the particular way this was done was "the right way" to do it, and that any tampering with or changes made to the configuration and/or setup could cause DNS for the IETF to fail, thereby "throwing them off" the internet. Needless to say (as they say where I come from), "I don't need THAT drama!" With the much looser organization of the IETF in the past, I might long ago have undertaken - on my own - to reach out to people and try to champion a change to a new algorithm. As the structure of the IETF has become more formalized, such championing is now well out of authority for me in my role as the IETF's IT operations vendor. More recently - maybe a year or two ago? - I was approached by other participants with this same question. I responded that I didn't have the authority to make this change and that - if the IETF wanted to make this change - I would need to be given specific instructions and steps to follow to do it "the (current) right way." Petr has graciously offered to help, which is great, but, again, I have no authority to act. I referred him to this list because this list is where IETF leadership people with an interest in the IETF's infrastructure and services congregate and discuss matters of this type. I don't know who can make this decision, but I do know that whoever it is is likely on this list, so I sent Petr here so he could voice his opinion and be heard by those people. Given that the meeting is in progress, I doubt that a decision will come "now", but given the confusion on the thread I felt I should step in and explain the background for everyone's benefit. As a reminder, I am not normally subscribed to this list, so please direct-CC me if you want me to immediately see replies. I hope this information is helpful and I apologize for the noise. Thanks! Glen -- Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat, and operations *vendor*) From nobody Wed Mar 23 15:35:11 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E733A0BA2 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:34:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pvvcPM0panAV for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c8a.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 550C53A0CA4 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 43588425A344; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 15:34:49 -0700 From: Glen To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20220323223449.GB20311@amsl.com> References: <20220323222920.GA20311@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20220323222920.GA20311@amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] ReRe: DNSSEC algorithm used on ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:34:58 -0000 On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 03:29:20PM -0700, Glen wrote: > Petr did indeed email support@ietf.org, and I did indeed refer him here. > Here is why: > .. > I referred him to this list because this list is where IETF leadership people > with an interest in the IETF's infrastructure and services congregate and > discuss matters of this type. I don't know who can make this decision, but I > do know that whoever it is is likely on this list, so I sent Petr here so he > could voice his opinion and be heard by those people. I now see that a very detailed discussion of this is taking place on DNSOP ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/ ) and it sounds like there is a lot of clarifying information being provided to the OP by the WG list participants. I'm assuming that they'll take this over there, at least for the time being, and am (until I'm asked otherwise) now done with this item. Apologies again for the noise. Glen -- Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) From nobody Wed Mar 23 17:55:44 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5AD3A12BA for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.089 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.089 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J_O5jtBXGD3A for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 409573A12B2 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 17:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22O0tYvH023768 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:55:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648083335; bh=wMkVZ6oW4406pOMkM4BXWjKMQWAq4BNAnXA1gd9Nc10=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=Lm7KEv++zqAMgtmpEFRVlYQJAp66OgUJryOZ37mOXA7vDBDpKSPkBTP4VTgh+5Qn/ +QvtmgU//r/hIa9grK4oIC7hDW+DXCM/lRkGWMVXEAqJhYskqZwRexmu0+0aWSZlTF f40EhMj/NfHiW2fn7GFs7MmdPGeT+oeBrtkTNGi8= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------QTPH9YcHRmPmwdqrk2i1vYcF" Message-ID: <8062f02f-7892-a86b-7b99-d471a1e76ee1@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2022 19:55:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Suggested improvement X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 00:55:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------QTPH9YcHRmPmwdqrk2i1vYcF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is the right place to bring such suggestions. The issue you are pointing to has a lot of complicated edges (why was a group for a non-wg forming Bof formed as type wg, etc.). I'll start discussions with the secretariat and the IESG about how to make this better. RjS On 3/23/22 11:43 AM, philip.eardley=40bt.com@dmarc.ietf.org wrote: > > A suggestion – hoping you’re the right people to suggest this to. > > We have the IETF BoFs page, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bofs/ > which lists the BoFs. The Links on that page are, for instance, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/can/about/ - but this has no summary > of what CAN is, because it is a non-WG-forming BoF. > > However, there’s another page > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bof-requests which does have a > summary from the proponents what their BoF is about. > > Is it possible to add a pointer to the bof-requests page on the bofs > page please? > > Best wishes, > > Phil > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------QTPH9YcHRmPmwdqrk2i1vYcF Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

This is the right place to bring such suggestions.

The issue you are pointing to has a lot of complicated edges (why was a group for a non-wg forming Bof formed as type wg, etc.).

I'll start discussions with the secretariat and the IESG about how to make this better.

RjS

On 3/23/22 11:43 AM, philip.eardley=40bt.com@dmarc.ietf.org wrote:

A suggestion – hoping you’re the right people to suggest this to.

We have the IETF BoFs page, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bofs/ which lists the BoFs. The Links on that page are, for instance, https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/can/about/  - but this has no summary of what CAN is, because it is a non-WG-forming BoF.

 

However, there’s another page https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bof-requests which does have a summary from the proponents what their BoF is about.

 

Is it possible to add a pointer to the bof-requests page on the bofs page please?

 

Best wishes,

Phil

 


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Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: "Salz, Rich" , tools-discuss References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> Cc: Mark Nottingham From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:55:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EtF68DSeIxOc8ALyp20kpgkR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the v1 api. But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to produce. But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg state tracker... RjS On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: > > Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of the > datatracker?  A couple of WG’s are using Mark’s bot to tweet out > things like “draft XXX is now in WGLC”  He mentioned that WG adoption > is hard to get.  Thoughts?  Time for me to start  doing PR’s again? > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------EtF68DSeIxOc8ALyp20kpgkR Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds.

I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look.

I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the v1 api.

But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to produce.

But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg state tracker...

RjS

On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote:

Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of the datatracker?  A couple of WG’s are using Mark’s bot to tweet out things like “draft XXX is now in WGLC”  He mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get.  Thoughts?  Time for me to start  doing PR’s again?


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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:57:20 -0000 Yes, I currently use the v1 api. The issue I have is that it's hard to = find calls for adoption in the event feed that are associated with a = particular WG. > On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. >=20 > I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. >=20 > I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the = v1 api. >=20 > But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to = produce. >=20 > But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg = state tracker... >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of the = datatracker? A couple of WG=E2=80=99s are using Mark=E2=80=99s bot to = tweet out things like =E2=80=9Cdraft XXX is now in WGLC=E2=80=9D He = mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get. Thoughts? Time for me to = start doing PR=E2=80=99s again? >>=20 >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list -=20 >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>=20 >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:=20 >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>=20 >> * Report=20 >> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>=20 >> * Report all other bugs or issues to:=20 >> ietf-action@ietf.org >>=20 >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe):=20 >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 24 05:00:28 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0273A0801 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kXxWer8XJgTH for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22a.google.com (mail-lj1-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FCA33A0864 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22a.google.com with SMTP id o6so5835825ljp.3 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:00:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4Y64tooK35WowasHm8aOarePeXt00f+JPnvgjdikuBs=; b=Q/O1XvdRkS3TYgBviZC6DazwGdN+ivzQZHv8Tc5MHEx5JO8NVFPqwEc6bT/n2WGK8h TKcS0MxLS/zgnEiI1cYkJmqAETI2+LajmWp3+snQ3i2YqdsKCarPbJqFSo1EsYKRQGs4 DncvKZpmbm2s6pptW9764F/IoA3vmv9TU1a5A/PaPyxFGjHpgMfwJjTjjGylhmBWE+Ea Jwdsg6gv6ELze3UzKZIi9t3/MFnasHuIOvrEk3Q8qOGhC26JS+ZLKzkTzi4bYoeFhR2P 86AJA3jovO9POopqInUM4Nm/C4ZfegHneuAKrSS594XMZnJqE0jwP/5vvXkccfDBSW8B 652g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4Y64tooK35WowasHm8aOarePeXt00f+JPnvgjdikuBs=; b=nMm8QEaIGMjGEOdo9RRorgbDCmpAQD70r6/NeMArXzQ5IfxXxOwe2dcaUI9d7ORihM x/Ao6c+oAt3rm6yfk8M2YVhanJde6Ip9x+tB+lISW+69wtctlV0VioaWcK5mJXHL/b/8 8hDvrcS/oSZGglz+D3RxcIfOSjCZgH/FKLUDPSrSX2B4DM8o3sDyiY/XEl3FmJBsAk/E ka8U8OqcIwYEb9s6tXbm/oh8GRJYGxK0ie9UVXzZz+IaEOAET0qSklUR9kIociddiUuw uujgpOhiVTFuZax8t9n4YGyweXcdyZZF/s2DBs2//SXj51D+4b7xl7v4CuISPx//wlrG QbIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531eVqLzFrq9c3DOr5+kFkhN+GjckkzCsoADTc0BNTt0JWT+8BZW ieVsw3uN6UoQllBdFAvamw3I02oTJp4mgzUByG2qDv0+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJycGypZdgybCEnkh3/wuXep85voJexydIpPDDLBN1gQDdIoyCJFFzc3Mf39yWr6S86AKVWaY8/lNTNBiM4HOkI= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9c04:0:b0:249:3cc7:48a1 with SMTP id s4-20020a2e9c04000000b002493cc748a1mr3857234lji.413.1648123218107; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:00:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> From: Tim Wicinski Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:00:07 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mark Nottingham Cc: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss , "Salz, Rich" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f61f7405daf596cd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:00:26 -0000 --000000000000f61f7405daf596cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the mnot API v1 and agree on the WG adoption being a nice addition. And I think we should solve for the folks who do use the tracker for WG adoption, and not those who don't. tim On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 7:57 AM Mark Nottingham wrote: > Yes, I currently use the v1 api. The issue I have is that it's hard to > find calls for adoption in the event feed that are associated with a > particular WG. > > > > > On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks wrote= : > > > > Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. > > > > I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. > > > > I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the v1 > api. > > > > But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to > produce. > > > > But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg > state tracker... > > > > RjS > > > > On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: > >> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of the > datatracker? A couple of WG=E2=80=99s are using Mark=E2=80=99s bot to tw= eet out things > like =E2=80=9Cdraft XXX is now in WGLC=E2=80=9D He mentioned that WG ado= ption is hard to > get. Thoughts? Time for me to start doing PR=E2=80=99s again? > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> Tools-discuss mailing list - > >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org > >> > >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > >> datatracker-project@ietf.org > >> > >> * Report > >> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > >> > >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: > >> ietf-action@ietf.org > >> > >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --000000000000f61f7405daf596cd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I= use the mnot API v1 and agree on the WG adoption being a nice addition.=C2= =A0

<= /div>
And I thi= nk we should solve for the folks who do use the tracker for WG adoption,=C2= =A0
and n= ot those who don't.=C2=A0

tim


On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 7:57 AM Mark Nottingham <<= a href=3D"mailto:mnot@mnot.net">mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
Yes, I currently use the v1 ap= i. The issue I have is that it's hard to find calls for adoption in the= event feed that are associated with a particular WG.



> On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
> Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds.
>
> I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. >
> I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the v= 1 api.
>
> But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to= produce.
>
> But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg s= tate tracker...
>
> RjS
>
> On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of t= he datatracker?=C2=A0 A couple of WG=E2=80=99s are using Mark=E2=80=99s bot= to tweet out things like =E2=80=9Cdraft XXX is now in WGLC=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 = He mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get.=C2=A0 Thoughts?=C2=A0 Time fo= r me to start=C2=A0 doing PR=E2=80=99s again?
>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________
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>>
>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug report= s.
>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:
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>>
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>>
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ESMTPA; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 22:57:36 +1100 Cc: "Salz, Rich" , tools-discuss Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:05:56 -0000 For reference: https://github.com/ietf-github-services/datatracker-tweet > On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. >=20 > I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. >=20 > I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the = v1 api. >=20 > But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to = produce. >=20 > But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg = state tracker... >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of the = datatracker? A couple of WG=E2=80=99s are using Mark=E2=80=99s bot to = tweet out things like =E2=80=9Cdraft XXX is now in WGLC=E2=80=9D He = mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get. Thoughts? Time for me to = start doing PR=E2=80=99s again? >>=20 >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list -=20 >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>=20 >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:=20 >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>=20 >> * Report=20 >> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>=20 >> * Report all other bugs or issues to:=20 >> ietf-action@ietf.org >>=20 >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe):=20 >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 24 05:27:42 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F89B3A0E04; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:27:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.689 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oLZ3ELULqwqk; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64A3E3A0B9B; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22OCRTUN098034 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:27:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648124850; bh=HhK1NKMAM9TqAoGWqUnASD6xPVMdyYMfJCLAhy2qx1s=; h=Date:To:Cc:References:From:Subject:In-Reply-To; b=siXisetk5+dqvaO/i3u0dEcz3vgNmR39f+MoZPX16eN77Y1BKybZFXxcI8L5WxnlP jyFVCytYyeOSJW4dNWAdlxm+ZpDBbaDqfw14W9tt3dKpsErARMaJa8eAj2d8XQyP2V d6VAolfTJJKxEhP5cTRSg+7A/YyTEjpI6GmlPnR4= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:27:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Mark Nottingham Cc: tools-discuss , "Salz, Rich" References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:27:40 -0000 All groups https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json&state_type__slug=draft-stream-ietf&state__slug=adopt-wg&time__gte=2022-3-1 particular group https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json&state_type__slug=draft-stream-ietf&state__slug=adopt-wg&doc__group__acronym=dance&time__gte=2022-3-1 RjS On 3/24/22 6:57 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Yes, I currently use the v1 api. The issue I have is that it's hard to find calls for adoption in the event feed that are associated with a particular WG. > > > >> On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. >> >> I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. >> >> I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the v1 api. >> >> But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to produce. >> >> But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg state tracker... >> >> RjS >> >> On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >>> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of the datatracker? A couple of WG’s are using Mark’s bot to tweet out things like “draft XXX is now in WGLC” He mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get. Thoughts? Time for me to start doing PR’s again? >>> >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> >>> * Report >>> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: >>> ietf-action@ietf.org >>> >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu Mar 24 05:30:42 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476223A11CA for ; 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Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 23:30:31 +1100 Cc: tools-discuss , "Salz, Rich" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:30:41 -0000 Sorry, I should have been more precise. Currently, my script collects all events with = /api/v1/doc/docevent/?format=3Djson and picks out the ones it's = interested in (i.e., those that apply to the WG in question), but that = feed doesn't contain enough information to pull out calls for adoption = by wg. I could make a separate call for this, but I'd rather not increase load = (client and server-side) by issuing extra requests. Cheers, > On 24 Mar 2022, at 11:27 pm, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > All groups >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=3Djson&state= _type__slug=3Ddraft-stream-ietf&state__slug=3Dadopt-wg&time__gte=3D2022-3-= 1 >=20 > particular group >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=3Djson&state= _type__slug=3Ddraft-stream-ietf&state__slug=3Dadopt-wg&doc__group__acronym= =3Ddance&time__gte=3D2022-3-1 >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 3/24/22 6:57 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Yes, I currently use the v1 api. The issue I have is that it's hard = to find calls for adoption in the event feed that are associated with a = particular WG. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. >>>=20 >>> I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. >>>=20 >>> I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the = v1 api. >>>=20 >>> But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing = to produce. >>>=20 >>> But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg = state tracker... >>>=20 >>> RjS >>>=20 >>> On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >>>> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of = the datatracker? A couple of WG=E2=80=99s are using Mark=E2=80=99s bot = to tweet out things like =E2=80=9Cdraft XXX is now in WGLC=E2=80=9D He = mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get. Thoughts? Time for me to = start doing PR=E2=80=99s again? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - >>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>=20 >>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug = reports. >>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>>=20 >>>> * Report >>>> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>=20 >>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: >>>> ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>=20 >>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 24 05:58:59 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087503A14DB; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.186, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id omJ2yGFvZyYd; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE8043A1427; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 05:58:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22OCwjpI034478 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:58:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648126726; bh=XdHANR5Q75fW+KLtOnHwigivoTrBuzgndgyzwRCXA0o=; h=Date:To:Cc:References:From:Subject:In-Reply-To; b=Dakq3RnyKPTZqSxMDC/yus7orCSB6QO5ezXkufSczydzPn+zY3zb8JZ4zevCMjswv 1jOy8bct2f3TH6Yy3UxNusxkS96jHhCFOS6opNbz7yMcHwoL65a6X8P+8CxzLHESka Tp3G6RSAv2s1Gaj+tI6wyIZaT46EAL7ErXEppu8M= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 07:58:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Mark Nottingham Cc: "Salz, Rich" , tools-discuss References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 12:58:54 -0000 Ok - so, I'll take this down the path, acknowledging that we've crossed the bar of "not easy enough" You'll need then to make a couple of queries ahead of time to get the values of some things that don't change then. Take https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/group/group/?format=json&state=active&type__slug=wg and stash a map of (acronym->id). That id I'll refer to as group_id later. Take https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json and stash the ids of the states you are interested. (keep a map of (type,slug)->id as state_id. Those are relatively static - you can update them on a relatively slow clock. Then you can extract what want from what you pull using the large query below. For that large query - I suggest, if you are not doing so already, that you provide a start time for your query, and that you explicitly provide a (large) limit so that you get what you want in one return instead of paging. RjS On 3/24/22 7:30 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Sorry, I should have been more precise. > > Currently, my script collects all events with /api/v1/doc/docevent/?format=json and picks out the ones it's interested in (i.e., those that apply to the WG in question), but that feed doesn't contain enough information to pull out calls for adoption by wg. > > I could make a separate call for this, but I'd rather not increase load (client and server-side) by issuing extra requests. > > Cheers, > > >> On 24 Mar 2022, at 11:27 pm, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> All groups >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json&state_type__slug=draft-stream-ietf&state__slug=adopt-wg&time__gte=2022-3-1 >> >> particular group >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json&state_type__slug=draft-stream-ietf&state__slug=adopt-wg&doc__group__acronym=dance&time__gte=2022-3-1 >> >> RjS >> >> On 3/24/22 6:57 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>> Yes, I currently use the v1 api. The issue I have is that it's hard to find calls for adoption in the event feed that are associated with a particular WG. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks wrote: >>>> >>>> Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. >>>> >>>> I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. >>>> >>>> I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through the v1 api. >>>> >>>> But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable thing to produce. >>>> >>>> But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the wg state tracker... >>>> >>>> RjS >>>> >>>> On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >>>>> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of the datatracker? A couple of WG’s are using Mark’s bot to tweet out things like “draft XXX is now in WGLC” He mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get. Thoughts? Time for me to start doing PR’s again? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - >>>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>> >>>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>>>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>>> >>>>> * Report >>>>> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>> >>>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: >>>>> ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>> >>>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> -- >>> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu Mar 24 06:01:55 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCAF3A1554 for ; 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Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 00:01:34 +1100 Cc: "Salz, Rich" , tools-discuss Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6D410B88-4ACD-4380-A3E7-99232CB43E4A@mnot.net> References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:01:54 -0000 That should be workable - thanks! > On 24 Mar 2022, at 11:58 pm, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Ok - so, I'll take this down the path, acknowledging that we've = crossed the bar of "not easy enough" >=20 > You'll need then to make a couple of queries ahead of time to get the = values of some things that don't change then. >=20 > Take = https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/group/group/?format=3Djson&state=3Dact= ive&type__slug=3Dwg and stash a map of (acronym->id). That id I'll refer = to as group_id later. >=20 > Take = https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=3Djson and = stash the ids of the states you are interested. (keep a map of = (type,slug)->id as state_id. >=20 > Those are relatively static - you can update them on a relatively slow = clock. >=20 > Then you can extract what want from what you pull using the large = query below. >=20 > For that large query - I suggest, if you are not doing so already, = that you provide a start time for your query, and that you explicitly = provide a (large) limit so that you get what you want in one return = instead of paging. >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 3/24/22 7:30 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Sorry, I should have been more precise. >>=20 >> Currently, my script collects all events with = /api/v1/doc/docevent/?format=3Djson and picks out the ones it's = interested in (i.e., those that apply to the WG in question), but that = feed doesn't contain enough information to pull out calls for adoption = by wg. >>=20 >> I could make a separate call for this, but I'd rather not increase = load (client and server-side) by issuing extra requests. >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 24 Mar 2022, at 11:27 pm, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>=20 >>> All groups >>>=20 >>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=3Djson&state= _type__slug=3Ddraft-stream-ietf&state__slug=3Dadopt-wg&time__gte=3D2022-3-= 1 >>>=20 >>> particular group >>>=20 >>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=3Djson&state= _type__slug=3Ddraft-stream-ietf&state__slug=3Dadopt-wg&doc__group__acronym= =3Ddance&time__gte=3D2022-3-1 >>>=20 >>> RjS >>>=20 >>> On 3/24/22 6:57 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>>> Yes, I currently use the v1 api. The issue I have is that it's hard = to find calls for adoption in the event feed that are associated with a = particular WG. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will = look. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through = the v1 api. >>>>>=20 >>>>> But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable = thing to produce. >>>>>=20 >>>>> But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the = wg state tracker... >>>>>=20 >>>>> RjS >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >>>>>> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of = the datatracker? A couple of WG=E2=80=99s are using Mark=E2=80=99s bot = to tweet out things like =E2=80=9Cdraft XXX is now in WGLC=E2=80=9D He = mentioned that WG adoption is hard to get. Thoughts? Time for me to = start doing PR=E2=80=99s again? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - >>>>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug = reports. >>>>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>>>>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * Report >>>>>> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: >>>>>> ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>> -- >>>> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>>>=20 >>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug = reports. >>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Mar 24 06:06:37 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C773A14FB; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:06:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.186, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nv2dsHZ3KPaF; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D14ED3A1505; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22OD6Qom043833 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:06:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648127188; bh=vMD5vjm+A9Dd4AtQreSO/fvNF8Nr4Z8A4JcurUCIUjc=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To; b=a0LdQmhCQnD5qXnQjqfoHhjlSZ8NEEHMzdWOf536e01unc7bD5FZbqewlo5hTRQcN mJ5u3o7FvXWlvhZY4YXEWMjLBWFrxk94BgeR3+E24K6niM3yVBf7g1Y37Lmqfks+AN aOExiB3V2i8fDs2wA9SRuIbMNqhiriRKPXQcwykE= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: <69d2b78d-57ce-3a57-27f7-5280d1448166@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:06:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US From: Robert Sparks To: Mark Nottingham Cc: tools-discuss , "Salz, Rich" References: <103C8C97-F45A-41D9-883E-7D05A837D0EE@akamai.com> <85d643be-782b-7bb4-3188-5ec426da8671@nostrum.com> <23679038-9E3C-435E-9F50-0E733F2C325B@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Event stream out of datatracker? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:06:36 -0000 btw - lurking under here are requirements on what a v2 api might look like. I would very much like to look at moving from tastypie to the django rest framework. I expect that to make providing things like deeper model recursion in the API results, when that obviously the right thing to do, possible in what the api returns. RjS On 3/24/22 7:58 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > Ok - so, I'll take this down the path, acknowledging that we've > crossed the bar of "not easy enough" > > You'll need then to make a couple of queries ahead of time to get the > values of some things that don't change then. > > Take > https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/group/group/?format=json&state=active&type__slug=wg > and stash a map of (acronym->id). That id I'll refer to as group_id > later. > > Take > https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json and > stash the ids of the states you are interested. (keep a map of > (type,slug)->id as state_id. > > Those are relatively static - you can update them on a relatively slow > clock. > > Then you can extract what want from what you pull using the large > query below. > > For that large query - I suggest, if you are not doing so already, > that you provide a start time for your query, and that you explicitly > provide a (large) limit so that you get what you want in one return > instead of paging. > > RjS > > On 3/24/22 7:30 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Sorry, I should have been more precise. >> >> Currently, my script collects all events with >> /api/v1/doc/docevent/?format=json and picks out the ones it's >> interested in (i.e., those that apply to the WG in question), but >> that feed doesn't contain enough information to pull out calls for >> adoption by wg. >> >> I could make a separate call for this, but I'd rather not increase >> load (client and server-side) by issuing extra requests. >> >> Cheers, >> >> >>> On 24 Mar 2022, at 11:27 pm, Robert Sparks >>> wrote: >>> >>> All groups >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json&state_type__slug=draft-stream-ietf&state__slug=adopt-wg&time__gte=2022-3-1 >>> >>> >>> particular group >>> >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/api/v1/doc/statedocevent/?format=json&state_type__slug=draft-stream-ietf&state__slug=adopt-wg&doc__group__acronym=dance&time__gte=2022-3-1 >>> >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> On 3/24/22 6:57 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>>> Yes, I currently use the v1 api. The issue I have is that it's hard >>>> to find calls for adoption in the event feed that are associated >>>> with a particular WG. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 Mar 2022, at 10:55 pm, Robert Sparks >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Right now, events emit email, and update various feeds. >>>>> >>>>> I _think_ wgstate is in one of the working group feeds - will look. >>>>> >>>>> I think, if one were willing to poll, you could get this through >>>>> the v1 api. >>>>> >>>>> But a more normalized event stream would be a very reasonable >>>>> thing to produce. >>>>> >>>>> But speaking specifically to WG adoption - not all chairs use the >>>>> wg state tracker... >>>>> >>>>> RjS >>>>> >>>>> On 3/24/22 6:49 AM, Salz, Rich wrote: >>>>>> Is there an easy way to get a structured stream of events out of >>>>>> the datatracker?  A couple of WG’s are using Mark’s bot to tweet >>>>>> out things like “draft XXX is now in WGLC”  He mentioned that WG >>>>>> adoption is hard to get.  Thoughts?  Time for me to start  doing >>>>>> PR’s again? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - >>>>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>>> >>>>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>>>>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>>>> >>>>>> * Report >>>>>> tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>>> >>>>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: >>>>>> ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>>> >>>>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>> -- >>>> Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/ >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> -- >> Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/ >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Thu Mar 24 06:20:44 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0453A1012 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:20:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DsZxS5ocrOKc for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00:e000:2bb::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AF5B3A0FC0 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (dhcp-9895.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.152.149]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 245F11F458; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:20:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 7F3461A01EB; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:20:34 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Richardson To: Carsten Bormann cc: tools-discuss In-reply-to: <453437D6-FAD5-42E3-89E5-A57EF3C9F198@tzi.org> References: <453437D6-FAD5-42E3-89E5-A57EF3C9F198@tzi.org> Comments: In-reply-to Carsten Bormann message dated "Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:51:21 +0100." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:20:34 +0100 Message-ID: <12831.1648128034@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Need different queues X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 13:20:42 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Carsten Bormann wrote: > want to jump in NOW I think we agreed that you just unmute and talk for this one. 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The current setup is = sufficient. >=20 > Yes, it is hard to not see this quickly becoming "I'm more = important=E2=80=9D You don=E2=80=99t like direction indicators on cars either? (Sorry, I=E2=80=99m German, and maybe less tolerant of wasting time = checking on audio what kind of queue position somebody wanted.) 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charset=utf-8 Carsten, I am not so sure this is =E2=80=9Cneeded=E2=80=9D. Adding a lot more = icons for queuing will increase the complexity for users and chairs. Also, The person who would otherwise be next in line, may be about to = say the same thing. In many cases, it=E2=80=99s better to wait your = turn. 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Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:20:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim Wicinski Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:20:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000002818a05daf862d3" Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:20:19 -0000 --00000000000002818a05daf862d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/dnsop/about/ the link to the jabber logs points to https://jabber.ietf.org/logs/dnsop/ - this page now is a IETF page on group chat, and one much work to find the new location of the jabber logs. https://jabber.ietf.org/jabber/logs/dnsop/ Also, can we reverse the order of the Index? With the more recent log at the top rather than the bottom? (I know I know, I am high maintenance) tim --00000000000002818a05daf862d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I= n https://datat= racker.ietf.org/group/dnsop/about/ the link to the jabber logs points t= o=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://jabbe= r.ietf.org/logs/dnsop/ - this page now is a IETF page on group chat, an= d one much work to find the new location of the jabber logs.=C2=A0
https://jabber.ietf.org/jabber/logs/d= nsop/

Also, can we reverse the order of the Index?=C2=A0 With the more recent lo= g at the top rather than the bottom?=C2=A0 (I know I know, I am high mainte= nance)
tim

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On 3/24/22 10:20 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote:

In https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/dnsop/about/ the link to the jabber logs points to   https://jabber.ietf.org/logs/dnsop/ - this page now is a IETF page on group chat, and one much work to find the new location of the jabber logs. 
https://jabber.ietf.org/jabber/logs/dnsop/
Yes, this will be addressed.

Also, can we reverse the order of the Index?  With the more recent log at the top rather than the bottom?  (I know I know, I am high maintenance)
I'll ask.

tim


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--------------VvSAsqF6moKTJsmvQGVIQV9V-- From nobody Thu Mar 24 08:46:25 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8FE3A114A for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:46:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zmn9gld_4p_r for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (ietfx.amsl.com [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3AE13A1141 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3AC4051053; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:46:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iWSHRC-15oqj; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:e111:6354:7979:3f2e]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1681D4050FE1; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 08:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.40.0.1.81\)) From: Jay Daley In-Reply-To: <20220323222920.GA20311@amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:46:15 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1AF73784-9829-4D88-B538-05D5C9BD8AEB@ietf.org> References: <20220323222920.GA20311@amsl.com> To: Glen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3693.40.0.1.81) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] DNSSEC algorithm used on ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:46:23 -0000 Hi Glen I thought it best if I follow this up on list. > On 23/03/2022, at 11:29 PM, Glen wrote: >=20 > With the much looser organization of the IETF in the past, I might = long ago > have undertaken - on my own - to reach out to people and try to = champion a > change to a new algorithm. As the structure of the IETF has become = more > formalized, such championing is now well out of authority for me in my = role as > the IETF's IT operations vendor. =20 I thought this had been made clear on multiple occasions, but I am very = happy to state again that you are always welcome to recommend a change = to the way things are done, which explicitly includes doing so publicly. = =20 I would though caution against starting from a position of championing - = it=E2=80=99s often the case that areas where the community have made = recommendations are complex and any change requires enquiry and = discussion before a specific way forward can be identified. We=E2=80=99ve= seen that clearly in this case with the discussion on dnsop, where the = complexities are subtle and while there is perhaps consensus on the need = for a change, it isn=E2=80=99t there for the timing of that change. cheers Jay >=20 > More recently - maybe a year or two ago? - I was approached by other > participants with this same question. I responded that I didn't have = the > authority to make this change and that - if the IETF wanted to make = this > change - I would need to be given specific instructions and steps to = follow > to do it "the (current) right way." Petr has graciously offered to = help, > which is great, but, again, I have no authority to act.=20 >=20 > I referred him to this list because this list is where IETF leadership = people > with an interest in the IETF's infrastructure and services congregate = and > discuss matters of this type. I don't know who can make this = decision, but I > do know that whoever it is is likely on this list, so I sent Petr here = so he > could voice his opinion and be heard by those people. >=20 > Given that the meeting is in progress, I doubt that a decision will = come "now", > but given the confusion on the thread I felt I should step in and = explain the > background for everyone's benefit. >=20 > As a reminder, I am not normally subscribed to this list, so please = direct-CC=20 > me if you want me to immediately see replies. I hope this information = is > helpful and I apologize for the noise. >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Glen > -- > Glen Barney > IT Director > AMS (IETF Secretariat, and operations *vendor*) >=20 > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: = datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 --=20 Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@ietf.org From nobody Thu Mar 24 09:42:36 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023E53A0B6B for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:42:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ITFnzVK_7D7e for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:32::15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 026083A0C36 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 09:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p5089ad4f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.173.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-smtp.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4KPWGj2SYNzDCfd; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:42:21 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <574A31F6-54B6-4C02-8814-C50FEDB937A5@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:42:21 +0100 Cc: tools-discuss X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 669832940.998148-f4480c2794c2016121fee0c28d1e2d8e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <13397D8D-6E62-4AF7-B871-3D5343BFBA12@tzi.org> References: <453437D6-FAD5-42E3-89E5-A57EF3C9F198@tzi.org> <574A31F6-54B6-4C02-8814-C50FEDB937A5@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Need different queues X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:42:33 -0000 On 2022-03-24, at 15:16, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 > Also, The person who would otherwise be next in line, may be about to = say the same thing. In many cases, it=E2=80=99s better to wait your = turn. Or they may be like me and would politely pass the token to whoever = wants to speak directly on the specific point just made=E2=80=A6 We do = this in physical queues all the time, and it is just weird to me to = suppress this information in a human-computer interface. Indeed, none of this is =E2=80=9Cneeded=E2=80=9D. Exactly like the direction indicators on cars; traffic works just fine = where their use is in practice considered optional. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu Mar 24 11:12:39 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C98E3A118E for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vUIF7FVv85Ie for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAF253A11A1 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2a02:3038:407:528c:125:89b1:c535:ce3c]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 945711F458; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 9A3A21A0408; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:50:52 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Richardson To: Robert Sparks , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Robert Sparks message dated "Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:38:46 -0500." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:50:52 +0100 Message-ID: <30104.1648144252@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:12:30 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Sparks wrote: >> In https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/dnsop/about/ the link to the >> jabber logs points to https://jabber.ietf.org/logs/dnsop/ - this page >> now is a IETF page on group chat, and one much work to find the new >> location of the jabber logs. >> https://jabber.ietf.org/jabber/logs/dnsop/ > Yes, this will be addressed. Thank you, I also had this challenge on Wednesday. >> Also, can we reverse the order of the Index?=C2=A0 With the more rec= ent log >> at the top rather than the bottom?=C2=A0 (I know I know, I am high >> maintenance) > I'll ask. What would be ideal would be if the jabber log for a particular day on which there was a meeting could get linked into the meeting agenda page. (I'd send a PR for this if I had more spare cycles) =2D- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAEBCgAdFiEEow/1qDVgAbWL2zxYcAKuwszYgEMFAmI8r3wACgkQcAKuwszY gEPnmQwAyP2wl4/TDMoar4Xkte7lIZnMXmGu5HGDXPDakgfLHLUvRjwLHwr4U+bM qESko1seXiZ2pFvasXzIk1OuxDi0OWfZ270woLtcbfW6fWqeW06n0KCSZtXEFCcv SjnFanJWeb4aK+gxIUzdVKAKOJfLTWOs+Th23/B2OgmlJIdsIV+NWwLkGNKoleFH co5c7fmKGjZT86mlm8gbM/rWhNvH3NjBNgYqS1ONeJFhz+SzWAhn6VRutNor9Fsz Rlr7YnIGW6ZOCkYXJJQ1uOh2YkU3ssd1ia982sFOUAo473rA7vZY1Ku+TpOGyrHh cz9OWc1/sVoRlVqmgiZ5WiWndvwQ80Nc1XQU1yxhITNkcy+5sYmm3a1GkDLHey/p WfuJI9tPOnj1LYyDfBEPU0QXubd7pkHnYTLrNt0LNMoKf9jLwlsKjYZAiG4Xbb+v SAAjDUHYWesS2PVrzp/R4nVRhYcIIiYOXvMp5mdsji5eXEuYcj9WnwGqWA2e5Dpj QaZTeNU3 =mBJU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Mar 24 11:19:26 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC39D3A1124 for ; 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Thu, 24 Mar 2022 11:19:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30104.1648144252@dooku> In-Reply-To: <30104.1648144252@dooku> From: Tim Wicinski Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:19:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: Michael Richardson Cc: Robert Sparks , Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000015a10305dafae296" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:19:25 -0000 --00000000000015a10305dafae296 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 2:12 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > Robert Sparks wrote: > >> In https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/dnsop/about/ the link to the > >> jabber logs points to https://jabber.ietf.org/logs/dnsop/ - this > page > >> now is a IETF page on group chat, and one much work to find the new > >> location of the jabber logs. > >> https://jabber.ietf.org/jabber/logs/dnsop/ > > > Yes, this will be addressed. > > Thank you, I also had this challenge on Wednesday. > > >> Also, can we reverse the order of the Index? With the more recent > log > >> at the top rather than the bottom? (I know I know, I am high > >> maintenance) > > > I'll ask. > > What would be ideal would be if the jabber log for a particular day on > which > there was a meeting could get linked into the meeting agenda page. > (I'd send a PR for this if I had more spare cycles) > > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the logs and appending them to the minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs). Because I've realized they are just as part of the minutes as the mic line. tim > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --00000000000015a10305dafae296 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 2:12 PM Michael Richa= rdson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca<= /a>> wrote:
<= br> Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> In https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/group/dnsop/about/ the link to the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> jabber logs points to https://jabber.ietf.= org/logs/dnsop/ - this page
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> now is a IETF page on group chat, and one much work = to find the new
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> location of the jabber logs.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> https://jabber.ietf.org/jabber/logs= /dnsop/

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Yes, this will be addressed.

Thank you, I also had this challenge on Wednesday.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Also, can we reverse the order of the Index?=C2=A0 W= ith the more recent log
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> at the top rather than the bottom?=C2=A0 (I know I k= now, I am high
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> maintenance)

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I'll ask.

What would be ideal would be if the jabber log for a particular day on whic= h
there was a meeting could get linked into the meeting agenda page.
(I'd send a PR for this if I had more spare cycles)


Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the logs and appending them to th= e=C2=A0
m= inutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs).=C2=A0 Because I&= #39;ve realized
they are just as part of the minutes as the mic line.=C2=A0

tim



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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 22:15:26 +0100 Message-ID: <92838.1648156526@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 21:15:36 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Tim Wicinski wrote: > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the (JABBER) logs and appending them to the > minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs). Because I've > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the mic line. 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Halpern" In-Reply-To: <92838.1648156526@dooku> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 22:00:34 -0000 Well, advice please. I pasted the Jabber log into teh minutes. I edited out the join leave. I then copyied the whole markdown minutes into notepad on my PC, saved it as a .md file on my PC. And then went to the upload minutes page and uploaded it. ost of the minutes came out fine. The chat log is unreadable (look at savnet meeting materials to see what a mess it made.) I would guess if I manually added a line end after eveyr chat log entry it would be better. But that seems the wrong answer. Help? 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Because I've > > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the mic line. > > That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > From nobody Thu Mar 24 15:15:52 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FF53A0ADE; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:15:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.106 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qMGC3_eFZpKV; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5951B3A0ADC; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id b43so3493633ljr.10; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:15:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wwC13t56YdLVRB9pDvTw7Bj5mlJTnDwfxaVEHQ7JCow=; b=XsECbkGt/Zji0FFR0RGKTcIZzFLFRhkGiboZS4rtj2KBqJH/hDi5WNwWBap7h6Y4jg KzStv6YpRZsYdrUOySG/olygDJg1o2vnh8xTmUutkiLP5Jx+5rlj4pXia2fKo2yXRscu QjJjmbDJ2HiTr4uXt6wTN8ZQjTTmcgdc3NA3MxIfI6Ylz1fZXwbm1c4Bk4nEFxe82O7N ltLQLa9cLYZfBr2BvIhmENdY7A4n+b1zfzkJCrXnUmnX3XF2gni3qLrpepGTz1pNJja3 yJRQ/eadpCfXSCNZ6+N90Hb7Z4iX/t9MqTAUPJNbaEKV61tVTPlY5Sh5lFjbUYDKp4x5 vhag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wwC13t56YdLVRB9pDvTw7Bj5mlJTnDwfxaVEHQ7JCow=; b=GFEHRAdHewoNHWuZwERfQU8pjPyWrVfyRCs9V3Z/cVtdwKR5lKkADUXOTO7QjSToeb Rq50zVeXUNz+YkTtIwSFOUq3URMhZJDErUC1l3cM3xMPfrNVm/rjdg0nUi3M/DSpBYhV K2tQVgcyYTg8ENELA54LtfqkWTodETl8u4bXSB2SItpcmpxvddXop84N/ahPOKObo/y4 ccUfQ6/4kj6w1MbBJVQKYu9daz+A5Uo+DnDzcUXZrZtQDOhVBMmCBERPiQuUTMFQx1sB eT9wR08HG/AAj+jy858CF8xLSkBperKFmrholzf0ea4wGPNyG88LhnMPAGL0Rws7dmHk PpGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532H6SL/up3ggAMRwDJz9wAXpj2GWFJnKrqoQ+FNwf/Dy3r+LtO9 p+RiZQIzRxySWdM4v08nPjotiLCZeHyznOs5In5krdjY X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyS3e58eDgVWPvrmoKKMYews53nQTmQw+7kNuUvHLJ0Z/nQiJT4tb57A8xLVGvffZQGVfWjkh2JlmgzPmDPYXE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:b1e:b0:249:95d3:7832 with SMTP id b30-20020a05651c0b1e00b0024995d37832mr5749533ljr.426.1648160131429; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 15:15:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <30104.1648144252@dooku> <92838.1648156526@dooku> In-Reply-To: From: Tim Wicinski Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:15:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Joel M. Halpern" Cc: Michael Richardson , Working Group Chairs , Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002aba3a05dafe2f3d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 22:15:40 -0000 --0000000000002aba3a05dafe2f3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I would put a line of three backticks ``` before and after which tells it to treat it as code On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:00 PM Joel M. Halpern wrote: > Well, advice please. > > I pasted the Jabber log into teh minutes. I edited out the join leave. > I then copyied the whole markdown minutes into notepad on my PC, saved > it as a .md file on my PC. > And then went to the upload minutes page and uploaded it. > > ost of the minutes came out fine. > The chat log is unreadable (look at savnet meeting materials to see what > a mess it made.) > > I would guess if I manually added a line end after eveyr chat log entry > it would be better. But that seems the wrong answer. > > Help? > Thanks, > Joel > > On 3/24/2022 5:15 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the (JABBER) logs and > appending them to the > > > minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs). Because I've > > > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the mic line. > > > > That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP. > > > > -- > > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --0000000000002aba3a05dafe2f3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:00 PM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
Well, advice please.

I pasted the Jabber log into teh minutes.=C2=A0 I edited out the join leave= .
I then copyied the whole markdown minutes into notepad on my PC, saved
it as a .md file on my PC.
And then went to the upload minutes page and uploaded it.

ost of the minutes came out fine.
The chat log is unreadable (look at savnet meeting materials to see what a mess it made.)

I would guess if I manually added a line end after eveyr chat log entry it would be better.=C2=A0 But that seems the wrong answer.

Help?
Thanks,
Joel

On 3/24/2022 5:15 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the (= JABBER) logs and appending them to the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > minutes (after removing the "joins/leave= s" msgs).=C2=A0 Because I've
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > realized they are just as part of the minutes= as the mic line.
>
> That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0-=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-
>
>
>

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Halpern" cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, Tools Team Discussion In-reply-to: References: <30104.1648144252@dooku> <92838.1648156526@dooku> Comments: In-reply-to "Joel M. Halpern" message dated "Thu, 24 Mar 2022 18:00:25 -0400." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 26.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 00:15:28 +0100 Message-ID: <8591.1648163728@dooku> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 23:15:42 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joel M. Halpern wrote: > I would guess if I manually added a line end after eveyr chat log ent= ry > it would be better. But that seems the wrong answer. yeah, this goes to the incompatible markdown between HedgeDoc and DT. 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Halpern" Cc: Michael Richardson , Working Group Chairs , Tools Team Discussion References: <30104.1648144252@dooku> <92838.1648156526@dooku> From: "Joel M. Halpern" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 23:24:27 -0000 That results in 
 before and
after, but still all run together. Yours, Joel On 3/24/2022 6:15 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > I would put a line of three backticks > > ``` > > before and after which tells it to treat it as code > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:00 PM Joel M. Halpern > wrote: > > Well, advice please. > > I pasted the Jabber log into teh minutes.  I edited out the join leave. > I then copyied the whole markdown minutes into notepad on my PC, saved > it as a .md file on my PC. > And then went to the upload minutes page and uploaded it. > > ost of the minutes came out fine. > The chat log is unreadable (look at savnet meeting materials to see > what > a mess it made.) > > I would guess if I manually added a line end after eveyr chat log entry > it would be better.  But that seems the wrong answer. > > Help? > Thanks, > Joel > > On 3/24/2022 5:15 PM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > Tim Wicinski > wrote: > >      > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the (JABBER) logs and > appending them to the > >      > minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs).  Because > I've > >      > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the mic line. > > > > That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP. > > > > -- > > Michael Richardson >, Sandelman Software Works > >   -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > From nobody Thu Mar 24 17:04:54 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF663A0FE3 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:04:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.089 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.089 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YmCsgH5ucm3b for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62FD53A0E4D for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2022 17:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22P04dkk099233 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Mar 2022 19:04:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648166680; bh=WM693eBzMOgckgDzgxfETFttmxuizhANPzJtfOaTCl4=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=LfRSSI5RUJ2fmfBxHRfTTjtAGPyT/RzJ8Pf4dgTclE+Nl0G355gBWmJPcUXfUlVO6 F/YxakdWglWumvgj1AL398kLvy3lDaK3keY9CodmgRh81fOwo4mi8dc/glZnZULQDs D7Lp9h7P2kVWi03SCEPJ3ivjbGXJTKUI/4v05Y6E= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2022 19:04:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, "Joel M. Halpern" References: <30104.1648144252@dooku> <92838.1648156526@dooku> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Link to Jabber logs in WG pages no longer accurate X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2022 00:04:49 -0000 Leave it sit for awhile please. What you put in now is reasonable, and a code change coming soon will address that the rendering escaped the 
 rather than letting that through to the html.

RjS

On 3/24/22 6:24 PM, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> That results in 
 before and 
 after, but still all run 
> together.
>
> Yours,
> Joel
>
> On 3/24/2022 6:15 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote:
>>
>> I would put a line of three backticks
>>
>> ```
>>
>> before and after which tells it to treat it as code
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:00 PM Joel M. Halpern > > wrote:
>>
>>     Well, advice please.
>>
>>     I pasted the Jabber log into teh minutes.  I edited out the join 
>> leave.
>>     I then copyied the whole markdown minutes into notepad on my PC, 
>> saved
>>     it as a .md file on my PC.
>>     And then went to the upload minutes page and uploaded it.
>>
>>     ost of the minutes came out fine.
>>     The chat log is unreadable (look at savnet meeting materials to see
>>     what
>>     a mess it made.)
>>
>>     I would guess if I manually added a line end after eveyr chat log 
>> entry
>>     it would be better.  But that seems the wrong answer.
>>
>>     Help?
>>     Thanks,
>>     Joel
>>
>>     On 3/24/2022 5:15 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
>>      >
>>      > Tim Wicinski > 
>> wrote:
>>      >      > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the (JABBER) logs and
>>     appending them to the
>>      >      > minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs).  Because
>>     I've
>>      >      > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the 
>> mic line.
>>      >
>>      > That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP.
>>      >
>>      > --
>>      > Michael Richardson >     >, Sandelman Software Works
>>      >   -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >
>>
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Can we make it happen mechanically and automatically

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> Tim Wicinski  wrote:
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> them to the
>     > minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs).  Because I've
>     > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the mic line.
>
> That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP.
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Can we make it happen mechanically and automatically<=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the (JABBER) log=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msg=
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the mic=
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That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP.



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Is there a way for datatracker on a WG's page to (automatically) show expired WG documents ?

I have one such draft in my WG and it wouldn't show up on the WG page.
Of course, in general one may not want to bother about expired drafts unless
explicitly added, but for WG document IMHO, it would be great if they would automatically
show up in in the WG section unless their status is maybe accordingly updated or the like

Thanks
    Toerless


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On 3/24/22 7:06 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> Can we make it happen mechanically and automatically
https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3747
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> -Ekr
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> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 2:15 PM Michael Richardson 
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>     Tim Wicinski  wrote:
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On 3/24/22 7:06 PM, Eric Rescorla
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Can we make it happen mechanically and automatically

        

      

    

    https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3747

    

      

        


        

        
-Ekr

        


        

      

      

      

        
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 2:15
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          Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
          wrote:

              > Michael, I've taken to copy/pasting the (JABBER) logs
          and appending them to the

              > minutes (after removing the "joins/leaves" msgs). 
          Because I've

              > realized they are just as part of the minutes as the
          mic line.

          

          That's a really good idea, and it should become SOP.

          

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Known issue: https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3078

Note the edge case of being able to say "no, really, this shouldn't show 
anymore"

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>
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Hi,

> Is there a way for datatracker on a WG's page to (automatically) show expired WG documents ?
> 
> I have one such draft in my WG and it wouldn't show up on the WG page.
> Of course, in general one may not want to bother about expired drafts unless
> explicitly added, but for WG document IMHO, it would be great if they would automatically
> show up in in the WG section unless their status is maybe accordingly updated or the like

I also think this feature would be useful, because now the expired WG document
is not shown at all at the WG page and it's sometimes difficult to find it
(you need to remember the name).

Regards,
Valery.

> Thanks
>     Toerless



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As you can manually add related documents, removing actually unwanted 
documents, should be of similar complexity, right?

On 25.03.22 09:04, Robert Sparks wrote:
> Known issue: https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3078
> 
> Note the edge case of being able to say "no, really, this shouldn't show 
> anymore"
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> RjS
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> On 3/25/22 1:46 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>> Is there a way for datatracker on a WG's page to (automatically) show 
>> expired WG documents ?
>>
>> I have one such draft in my WG and it wouldn't show up on the WG page.
>> Of course, in general one may not want to bother about expired drafts 
>> unless
>> explicitly added, but for WG document IMHO, it would be great if they 
>> would automatically
>> show up in in the WG section unless their status is maybe accordingly 
>> updated or the like
>>
>> Thanks
>>      Toerless
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Coincidentally, I was expressing the expressing the exact same sentiment 
in a side-discussion two days ago. I'd really appreciate that feature, 
both as a chair and a contributor.

On 25.03.22 09:04, Valery Smyslov wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> Is there a way for datatracker on a WG's page to (automatically) show expired WG documents ?
>>
>> I have one such draft in my WG and it wouldn't show up on the WG page.
>> Of course, in general one may not want to bother about expired drafts unless
>> explicitly added, but for WG document IMHO, it would be great if they would automatically
>> show up in in the WG section unless their status is maybe accordingly updated or the like
> 
> I also think this feature would be useful, because now the expired WG document
> is not shown at all at the WG page and it's sometimes difficult to find it
> (you need to remember the name).
> 
> Regards,
> Valery.
> 
>> Thanks
>>      Toerless
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Added rfc-interest. Not sure this is ideal set of lists, but hopefully better

I think i have a proposal that would not only solve (i hope) what Pascal is concerned about,
but would also be (IMHO) very useful for the RFC series:

How about we do crearte on datatracker a mechanism to officially register a third-party reference
to a particular IETF document. Draft or RFC.

Everybody who writes an external document could create such a third-party reference.
We'd have to discuss access control if its abused.

The one benefit (which i was interested in) would be that we would finally start getting
some inight if/where our documents are being used elsewhere in the industry. Especially 
given how a lot of industry bodies  work with closed documents, it is completely
impossible to just scrape the Internet to find uses (as its "kinda" done in the research
world). Especially now that we're trying to reach out to more external SDO in IoT,
Media operations or other industrial verticals, something like this would hopefully
be timely.

The other benefit would be that whoever creates the reference would (automatically) get
status updates about the document. So the foreign SDO document editor or manager could
use this to track the IETF reference and status.

Depending on what we put into such "foreign reference" (to be filled out when it's
created/updated), we would likely be able to satisfy more work-flows.

Cheers
    Toerless

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:28:20AM +0000, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
> Along the same line (though a different problem that we'd need to fork as a separate thread) is our wording for IETF references.
> At the moment we indicate that external specs (think say IEEE) must not reference drafts. But when the draft stalls before RFC, this makes the reference completely unusable. Makes no sense to me, and hardly reflected in practice. A better practice would be how we eat our own dogfood, which is that a draft must not be a normative reference when standard X is published, whether by IETF or else.
> 
> Interested in following that up too? If so please fork.
> 
> Note: this can effectively hurt. Within the last year or 2, I faced that issue with both IEEE and ETSI. At ETSI it was mostly theoretical and we kinda forced our way to reference I-drafts arguing that the doc we are writing is not a standard. OTOH, at IEEE that was harder. We had text in 802.11md about the proxy ARP function and the fact that there's also IPv6 to care about. Incidentally, the text cited a draft in progress for the proxy ND operation (now RFC 8929) as an informational reference (all non-IEEE references are informational). At the last minute, the whole change was removed from .11md on the grounds that the I-D reference was not RFC, and the text was frozen for publication. At that time, the I-draft had been waiting for its turn in the RFC Editor queue for months. The RFC was pulled from the RFC editor queue and published within weeks after the freeze. I discovered the .11 removal only later, appealed, but the freeze is immutable.
> 
> Keep safe;
> 
> Pascal 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WGChairs  On Behalf Of Henk Birkholz
> > Sent: vendredi 25 mars 2022 10:40
> > To: Valery Smyslov ; 'Toerless Eckert'
> > ; 'Tools Team Discussion' ;
> > wgchairs@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?
> > 
> > Coincidentally, I was expressing the expressing the exact same sentiment
> > in a side-discussion two days ago. I'd really appreciate that feature,
> > both as a chair and a contributor.
> > 
> > On 25.03.22 09:04, Valery Smyslov wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >> Is there a way for datatracker on a WG's page to (automatically) show
> > expired WG documents ?
> > >>
> > >> I have one such draft in my WG and it wouldn't show up on the WG
> > page.
> > >> Of course, in general one may not want to bother about expired drafts
> > >> unless explicitly added, but for WG document IMHO, it would be great
> > >> if they would automatically show up in in the WG section unless their
> > >> status is maybe accordingly updated or the like
> > >
> > > I also think this feature would be useful, because now the expired WG
> > > document is not shown at all at the WG page and it's sometimes
> > > difficult to find it (you need to remember the name).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Valery.
> > >
> > >> Thanks
> > >>      Toerless
> > >
> > >
> 

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On 3/25/22 4:40 AM, Henk Birkholz wrote:
> As you can manually add related documents, removing actually unwanted 
> documents, should be of similar complexity, right?

Not with the current system.

"manually add" is realized by adding the document to the group's 
community app ruleset, something that can only _include_ things, not 
exclude them.

Instead of adding an excluding filter, this will probably need to be 
based on a new wg state.

>
> On 25.03.22 09:04, Robert Sparks wrote:
>> Known issue: https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3078
>>
>> Note the edge case of being able to say "no, really, this shouldn't 
>> show anymore"
>>
>> RjS
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/22 1:46 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote:
>>> Is there a way for datatracker on a WG's page to (automatically) 
>>> show expired WG documents ?
>>>
>>> I have one such draft in my WG and it wouldn't show up on the WG page.
>>> Of course, in general one may not want to bother about expired 
>>> drafts unless
>>> explicitly added, but for WG document IMHO, it would be great if 
>>> they would automatically
>>> show up in in the WG section unless their status is maybe 
>>> accordingly updated or the like
>>>
>>> Thanks
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:30 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
 wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Note: this can effectively hurt. Within the last year or 2, I faced that =
issue with both IEEE and ETSI. At ETSI it was mostly theoretical and we kin=
da forced our way to reference I-drafts arguing that the doc we are writing=
 is not a standard. OTOH, at IEEE that was harder. We had text in 802.11md =
about the proxy ARP function and the fact that there's also IPv6 to care ab=
out. Incidentally, the text cited a draft in progress for the proxy ND oper=
ation (now RFC 8929) as an informational reference (all non-IEEE references=
 are informational). At the last minute, the whole change was removed from =
.11md on the grounds that the I-D reference was not RFC, and the text was f=
rozen for publication. At that time, the I-draft had been waiting for its t=
urn in the RFC Editor queue for months. The RFC was pulled from the RFC edi=
tor queue and published within weeks after the freeze. I discovered the .11=
 removal only later, appealed, but the freeze is immutable.

If it is important to have an RFC number for a draft in the RFC Editor
queue for reference by another standards body, you just work through
your AD to have the IESG ask the RFC Editor to assign an RFC number
early and the RFC Editor will generally comply.

Thanks,
Donald
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This is most likely a simple RTFM (which I couldn=E2=80=99t find) or a =E2=
=80=9Cbad user on device=E2=80=9D error from a novice, but I thought I=E2=
=80=99d report it anyway in case it matches an open ticket or some other =
known problem.

I=E2=80=99m ICNRG co-chair and our note taker used HedgeDoc on notes.ietf=
=2Eorg for the minutes (a first for us I believe). I went to publish the =
minutes and experienced the following:

- I go to meeting materials for ICNRG@IETF113, which has a single button =
to =E2=80=9CUpload Minutes=E2=80=9D
- I hit =E2=80=9Cpublish=E2=80=9D in Hedgedoc, and that just opens a web =
page with the rendered text. Not what I want.
- So, I go to =E2=80=9CMenu=E2=80=9D and say =E2=80=9Cdownload markdown=E2=
=80=9D. Seems reasonable. I now have the .md file on my machine.
- Now I go back to meeting materials and say =E2=80=9Cupload minutes=E2=80=
=9D and point to the .md file I downloaded.
- Yay, minutes get uploaded, but=E2=80=A6
- They render wrong, with line breaks mostly gone.
- However, wonder of wonders, now that I=E2=80=99ve done the upload, the =
meeting materials now shows me an option to =E2=80=9CImport from  notes.i=
etf.org=E2=80=9D which I=E2=80=99m pretty sure was not there before.
- So, I say great, and try that.
- Refuses to import claiming an identical version was already uploaded.
- So, maybe I can delete the uploaded minutes and maybe try again?
- Nope, no way to delete uploaded minutes.

So, we=E2=80=99ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable.

DaveO


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On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran  wrote:
>=20
> So, we=E2=80=99ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable.

Hi Dave,

I have no idea why the =E2=80=9CImport=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D button wasn=E2=80=
=99t there, but you can fix your markdown using the =E2=80=9Cde-gfm=E2=80=9D=
 tool that is part of kramdown-rfc.
Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and =
upload that.

(Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use the import =
button.)

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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On 28 Mar 2022, at 11:55, Carsten Bormann wrote:

> On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran  wrote:
>>
>> So, we=E2=80=99ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable.
>
> Hi Dave,
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> I have no idea why the =E2=80=9CImport=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D button wasn=E2=
=80=99t there, but you can fix your markdown using the =E2=80=9Cde-gfm=E2=
=80=9D tool that is part of kramdown-rfc.
> Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and u=
pload that.
>
Thanks - I did that.
I don=E2=80=99t really use markdown (I edit most of my stuff directly in =
XML2RFC syntax) but it=E2=80=99s nice to have kramdown-rfc handy in any c=
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Dear tools team,

I'm forwarding a discussion taking place in intdir. I believe that changing
the subject line of the e-mails is actually a good idea. Is that change
something you would agree to implement?

Thanks!

Carlos (as intdir co-chair/secretariat, not sure what the right term is ;) =
)

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) 
Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Int-dir] Auto-acceptance/non-notification of assigned
reviews...
To: Ted Lemon 
Cc: Tim Chown , int-dir@ietf.org 


+1

I tried to say the same very recently. The messages are not easily
extracted from the noise and are not acknowledged.

If the subject started with INT DIR REVIEW ASSIGNMENT maybe we could do
better ?

Regards,

Pascal

Le 29 mars 2022 =C3=A0 13:13, Ted Lemon  a =C3=A9crit :

=EF=BB=BF
In my case it turns out that I just auto-deleted the message because the
subject line had the name of a draft in it that I wasn=E2=80=99t following.=
 My
suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject line of
review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relevant. What the
assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigned,
and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically
do: deleting it without reading.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 04:53 Tim Chown  wrote:

> This has happened to me 2 or 3 times for Ops Dir assignments.  We never
> got to the cause with Gunter.  It may be the same system, or may not.
>
> Tim
>
> > On 28 Mar 2022, at 21:42, Ted Lemon  wrote:
> >
> > I just got email from Carlos Bernardos that listed review assignments.
> Useful email, but what surprised me is that a review is assigned to me. I
> don't remember ever accepting this assignment nor being notified of it, s=
o
> this is a bit problematic. Is anyone else having this happen to them?
> >
> > I think this is not the first time it's happened, and it's not fun,
> because typically the first I actually hear of it is when the int-dir cha=
ir
> sends me an aggrieved message asking why my assigned review is late. :(
> > _______________________________________________
> > Int-dir mailing list
> > Int-dir@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-dir
>
> _______________________________________________
Int-dir mailing list
Int-dir@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-dir

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Dear tools team,

I'm forwarding a d=
iscussion taking place in intdir. I believe that changing the subject line =
of the e-mails is actually a good idea. Is that change something you would =
agree to implement?

Thanks!

Carlos (as intdir co-chair/secretariat, not sure what the right term is =
;) )

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert=3D40cisco.com@=
dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 2:01 PM
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ect: Re: [Int-dir] Auto-acceptance/non-notification of assigned reviews...<=
br>To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Cc: Tim Chown <tim.cho=
wn@jisc.ac.uk>, int-dir@ietf.org=
 <int-dir@ietf.org>








+1






I tried to say the same very recently. The messages are not easily ext=
racted from the noise and are not acknowledged.=C2=A0



If the subject started with INT DIR REVIEW ASSIGNMENT maybe we could do bet=
ter ?








Regards,






Pascal







Le 29 mars 2022 =C3=A0 13:13, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> a=
 =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:










=EF=BB=BF

In my case it turns out that I just auto-deleted the mess=
age because the subject line had the name of a draft in it that I wasn=E2=
=80=99t following. My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name i=
n the subject line of review assignment email
 messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relevant. What the assignment message nee=
ds to communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting the draft=
 name there risks people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without=
 reading.







On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 04:53 Tim Cho=
wn <Tim.Chown@=
jisc.ac.uk> wrote:





This has happened to me 2 or 3 times for Ops Dir assignments.=C2=A0 We neve=
r got to the cause with Gunter.=C2=A0 It may be the same system, or may not=
.



Tim



> On 28 Mar 2022, at 21:42, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

> 

> I just got email from Carlos Bernardos that listed review assignments.=
 Useful email, but what surprised me is that a review is assigned to me. I =
don't remember ever accepting this assignment nor being notified of it,=
 so this is a bit problematic. Is anyone
 else having this happen to them? 

> 

> I think this is not the first time it's happened, and it's not=
 fun, because typically the first I actually hear of it is when the int-dir=
 chair sends me an aggrieved message asking why my assigned review is late.=
 :(

> _______________________________________________

> Int-dir mailing list

> Int-dir@ietf.org=


> 
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-dir









_______________________________________________

Int-dir mailing list

Int-dir@ietf.or=
g

https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/int-dir










_______________________________________________

Int-dir mailing list

Int-dir@ietf.org<=
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>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject =
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I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process for =
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Hi Carsten,

I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that
work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of
 by " I think would cover all expressed concerns. What
do you think?

Thanks,

Carlos

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann  wrote:

> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO 
> wrote:
> >
> >> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject
> line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relevant=
. What the
> assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigne=
d,
> and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically
> do: deleting it without reading.
>
> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message
> again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process for de=
aling
> with the daily mail tsunamis.
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
>

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Hi Carsten,

I agree, but I think we sho=
uld discuss to find the best compromise that work=C2=A0best for everybody. =
Something like: "INT DIR review assignment=C2=A0of <draft-foo> b=
y <deadline>" I think would cover all expressed concerns. What d=
o you think?

Thanks,

Carl=
os

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDO=
S CANO <cjbc@it.uc3=
m.es> wrote:

> 

>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subj=
ect line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not releva=
nt. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has b=
een assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I au=
tomatically do: deleting it without reading.



If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message aga=
in when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.



I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process for deal=
ing with the daily mail tsunamis.



Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten






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Carsten,

Where is the import button? If I go to the meetings materials page for my
WG, I see an "Upload Minutes" button, but not an import button.

Thanks,
Andy


On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Carsten Bormann  wrote:

> On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran  wrote:
> >
> > So, we=E2=80=99ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable.
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I have no idea why the =E2=80=9CImport=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D button wasn=E2=
=80=99t there, but you can fix your
> markdown using the =E2=80=9Cde-gfm=E2=80=9D tool that is part of kramdown=
-rfc.
> Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and
> upload that.
>
> (Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use the import
> button.)
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Carsten,

Where is the import button? If=
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es" button, but not an import button.

Thanks,=

Andy


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n Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
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 17:26, David R. Oran <daveoran@orandom.net> wrote:

> 

> So, we=E2=80=99ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable.



Hi Dave,



I have no idea why the =E2=80=9CImport=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D button wasn=E2=80=
=99t there, but you can fix your markdown using the =E2=80=9Cde-gfm=E2=80=
=9D tool that is part of kramdown-rfc.

Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and uploa=
d that.



(Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use the import but=
ton.)



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Oran" To: "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:00:11 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.14r5882) Message-ID: <40D7D725-0811-4BE7-A06E-8F794F034166@orandom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <691636A7-9680-422E-88F2-19409A85B4CF@tzi.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Novice burned by minutes upload/publishing procedure X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:00:35 -0000 On 29 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Carsten, > > Where is the import button? If I go to the meetings materials page for = my > WG, I see an "Upload Minutes" button, but not an import button. > Ah, so maybe we have a trouble ticket here=E2=80=A6 I had the same problem - no button until you have already done an upload,= and then if you try to import, it complains of a duplicate, and then you= can=E2=80=99t delete the previously uploaded version. > Thanks, > Andy > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran wrote: >>> >>> So, we=E2=80=99ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable. >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> I have no idea why the =E2=80=9CImport=E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D button wasn=E2= =80=99t there, but you can fix your >> markdown using the =E2=80=9Cde-gfm=E2=80=9D tool that is part of kramd= own-rfc. >> Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and >> upload that. >> >> (Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use the impor= t >> button.) >> >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf= =2Eorg >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> DaveO From nobody Tue Mar 29 08:17:22 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31633A0E3E for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:07:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.106 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.106 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eqd6odVZLFyb for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F05853A1945 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id b189so14068149qkf.11 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=aKj3Y90JMAtMh6M3kjUB4so643Af8qyVxoA/XvqDWJA=; b=B6doCUDPx9MfoFATaZUinZgdqdmMTSJoWmFF1te3jOFo+CKqsxNPzNSpq7I+uxMUVD 4ASEqM1D7R93WkieWyOEqwSap1b4FhItzV3RX6ERtSPUtcd6f5m0JJ9uWHSPVKHBJ629 5iIPlNt1977HhWkU7DKs39GZtGbhy45yfOCux+hjCnAr/SBJHxBIwpBI6b5X2+9eUH5d T4oP3EamcwibLNEsW9fopez+9B4sYuXli6u1UGU3Ti3N6dTfkYJtI/Ao/se5qmY1RQHj vpeAN1ybD/NIlCVoP53gKGcwR1PB6ywIN3CBVgs78+/xJfwXV52bwL/Xn7Kr/M9C5gcI ShuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=aKj3Y90JMAtMh6M3kjUB4so643Af8qyVxoA/XvqDWJA=; b=J/Nua2FWotpGtpHi/cDY7HLMrjeFG9ETetxTB2m1Eu52Q8Ll+JQE3kyNF9woo5HMOk +xjW8OU4nJmQuZ4T6+IzeGWf2mQcP6KPuAy5JJP7dPosbqXRtNqEL+XtAIEXp8TQpGb1 IBNZC9mwdDOaxiBOomBP94l9zAJ17h0CBS8cQeyWrwyteWkVqPA+VB09FlCMNa3J5+n3 oE1TCbq1jfCiZYBKtrEhTfqRYYN6gbse8dp1/35w/ekffjeHVa3IqK5+sbX0QXa7VVz1 b3ANaLBHNx2sOwtll5dMUk87cMQNJLsZxvkJrFGH3JeGNAUKNVwwFb3UDUvLpcbV8nWl 3VHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5329klwMSrV4Zlp4dB2LX1gfl8xIlLVJmTww7yvwHJqw5Ch664Ex uWiFJFv9637PYL+MWa1eoYt/7WQC0w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzngjv2IkpdZ2iqcmBXJlWkjC+J/2gllyw43xUBVrpVhY28D9aok9/i1Sz2w3dPzpbOT/bTRw== X-Received: by 2002:a37:9e17:0:b0:67e:cd1:c852 with SMTP id h23-20020a379e17000000b0067e0cd1c852mr20247989qke.615.1648562841765; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (d-24-233-121-124.nh.cpe.atlanticbb.net. [24.233.121.124]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x20-20020ac85f14000000b002e1ee1c56c3sm15614377qta.76.2022.03.29.07.07.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 29 Mar 2022 07:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F8FEEA18-8B6F-41B8-BA3F-33F22D298527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bernie Volz Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:07:19 -0400 Message-Id: References: Cc: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: To: CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO X-Mailer: iPad Mail (19D52) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:17:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Int-dir] Auto-acceptance/non-notification of assigned reviews... X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 14:07:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail-F8FEEA18-8B6F-41B8-BA3F-33F22D298527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems like good subject line to me. It should also be documented so folks ca= n set up appropriate filters to avoid deleting it or placing it into junk fo= lder. - Bernie > On Mar 29, 2022, at 9:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO = wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Carsten, >=20 > I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that wo= rk best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of by " I think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you t= hink? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Carlos >=20 >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO wr= ote: >> >=20 >> >> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject l= ine of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relevant. Wh= at the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been ass= igned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatica= lly do: deleting it without reading. >>=20 >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message a= gain when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it. >>=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process for de= aling with the daily mail tsunamis. >>=20 >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>=20 --Apple-Mail-F8FEEA18-8B6F-41B8-BA3F-33F22D298527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems like good subject line to me. It shou= ld also be documented so folks can set up appropriate filters to avoid delet= ing it or placing it into junk folder.

- Bernie

On Mar 29, 2022, at 9:40 AM= , CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi Carsten,

I agree, but I think we should discuss to= find the best compromise that work best for everybody. Something like:= "INT DIR review assignment of <draft-foo> by <deadline>" I= think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think?

=
Thanks,

Carlos

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 a= t 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2= 022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>
>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subje= ct line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relevant= . What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been= assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automa= tically do: deleting it without reading.

If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message agai= n when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.

I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process for deali= ng with the daily mail tsunamis.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

= --Apple-Mail-F8FEEA18-8B6F-41B8-BA3F-33F22D298527-- From nobody Tue Mar 29 08:21:53 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B546C3A1A78 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.186, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nj8fEK8PgSNc for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7572B3A1A49 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22TFLQ4q085533 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:21:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648567287; bh=dRhTI4Is3Jg7ZpoB2oo2mh9zCW3HRDPicVCaVhvNKAc=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=S8KQj/fALNqlhsOX5a4mBPxkAt8YSH09u9rnwsrqOq76fiSoi9nWeFW6kpf2nPCOz s0Fbxj+jCNPotcNSoR24iscrk2SVWjL5WeB9r+2aS46q420W5cDezPDeLkjIq666y+ Nk7q3SaGBKIsv3N9jNUh3LRM7hmOPBroK2r4EUcM= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: <85db2b0b-2c4a-78a6-a7ec-81e88d46c538@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:21:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: "David R. Oran" , "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss References: <691636A7-9680-422E-88F2-19409A85B4CF@tzi.org> <40D7D725-0811-4BE7-A06E-8F794F034166@orandom.net> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <40D7D725-0811-4BE7-A06E-8F794F034166@orandom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Novice burned by minutes upload/publishing procedure X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:21:48 -0000 On 3/29/22 10:00 AM, David R. Oran wrote: > On 29 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > >> Carsten, >> >> Where is the import button? If I go to the meetings materials page for my >> WG, I see an "Upload Minutes" button, but not an import button. >> > Ah, so maybe we have a trouble ticket here… > I had the same problem - no button until you have already done an upload, and then if you try to import, it complains of a duplicate, and then you can’t delete the previously uploaded version. Yes, this was identified late last week - I _thought_ an issue had been created for it, but I'm not finding it right now (digging through the post-meeting maelstrom). I'll dig a bit more, and will report the issue number soon. > >> Thanks, >> Andy >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: >> >>> On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran wrote: >>>> So, we’ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable. >>> Hi Dave, >>> >>> I have no idea why the “Import…” button wasn’t there, but you can fix your >>> markdown using the “de-gfm” tool that is part of kramdown-rfc. >>> Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and >>> upload that. >>> >>> (Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use the import >>> button.) >>> >>> Grüße, Carsten >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> > DaveO > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Tue Mar 29 08:25:14 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65D43A12E6 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.69 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4gOuufB436RS for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E64783A1365 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22TFOxpZ086042 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:25:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648567500; bh=HCvjX0LofxxhSOA3niBiIGgolJYGJGRvjOYs2hLmS+8=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=OT7ko8eYlfk5IXWecs2cSW99MknlhUgroSb/cmqrJvMYTSNZYGQvvWR005YbD6Zg2 vbfcKfzRccUjol4zu1gJ19/Q41lnTOcwuitaUxUzlmTHQk8uqrnYfUauhk1QL7kdLg vM42hqBpYZFGWcT9nTsweKvOpqzTOJfg24lJRq/8= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:24:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Bob Hinden , CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO Cc: Carsten Bormann , Bernie Volz , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <61C64FDA-1FF0-4CB6-9D7B-30D952B83F59@jisc.ac.uk> <1B140B2A-909B-4D14-9F4E-12B86149915F@cisco.com> <36B6FC92-EDBF-4973-9A1A-5EBAB8433220@tzi.org> <945FF202-6FA2-4014-90C5-7D93FF2F8FC5@gmail.com> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <945FF202-6FA2-4014-90C5-7D93FF2F8FC5@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Int-dir] Auto-acceptance/non-notification of assigned reviews... X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:25:10 -0000 I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to run this by all the review teams. RjS On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO wrote: >> >> Hi Carsten, >> >> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of by " I think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think? > Sounds good to me. > > Bob > > >> Thanks, >> >> Carlos >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO wrote: >>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject line of review assignment email messages, since it’s not relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without reading. >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it. >> >> I don’t think we can assume everybody has the same process for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis. >> >> Grüße, Carsten >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Tue Mar 29 08:41:45 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B613A1A53 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:41:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p-UKNcicQ3-X for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa1-x2d.google.com (mail-oa1-x2d.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00D9E3A1A4F for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa1-x2d.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-df02f7e2c9so6666084fac.10 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OODk71PkCj0hwY/g6kP0PcvCQVYjU4bvglWZMvzptRA=; b=PcylIGulRLbUfag67Pf8H3nN/YuHGj6VqeOR7GfgdpKLZUaVRbEi42AA1aVdPPI/iq hM1RolA+wUXUBgS26CowQlrGBQWmcVLocb+l3brlgIEoVse5qh0dUBSL4phl6qMGMegY hbHgkRK47uzAHaacOqDXl7Dh0lFHXGlv5TKXwMoz/7EA/hH5eTdiS1MYfu6gSb0eKhEY FuZ6vb3ov4HPdDgnOcbUVZV9RZv3U4fEhbvlEheCjCLA7Xv+kZDbUTRJewGD1TNIx5lE nyFDcl8u3xegnRt65qbX3CjAR6+P4Tx7QvV7UYOkIlRq01gVTmBcPKwwG7AyyIHUlFOG LHuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OODk71PkCj0hwY/g6kP0PcvCQVYjU4bvglWZMvzptRA=; b=P7KvMZ1dFPEwOQTUH3csI2NuH8/sWR5dTyebQ0WM2re58yRjPuvctKbU9rqck5OfcI skGER1YQeYXiZM9YDWCIP0KUsy/BaCZntw/Us7kL/j2TgsU9nB9HLl6pi/biz1b15Uk+ d2jd+CqZdMCYo6bEHnvcFmdN3S7jcn7yoJtar7HhwMRK0lJ9iRNZGCG2tNhVPaIeVWJB vEes13TeLGcqIaDXgf2d39l8+nv5F4C/C5tLH9NmhAg1fwHbMCxC7cAzmsU2mt0kSvv6 X91O2ZxWZ5G+1TF6j8hmNSG9n7VbxVOzgAP8AcTwAMDSBsCzQAgCfvpqci9mNNV27pgB fl3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532fwXpz74V6dCHb88j40JNuDjmXbOSpdHfqzBvb8CJXLFW4J85k X3EAqCZwXqZatvaT1MNHlZjWDKfKuXnCe/ZHShF/Fw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyG3c6b5Z1vdGjfum6jasZMqujpvQtCdUI/L0OrBf/T1CpXCTyILSd9eLws9twGlWCKOZeOo5QUVCJR+0dg2NA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:4582:b0:da:b3f:3221 with SMTP id y2-20020a056870458200b000da0b3f3221mr114756oao.209.1648568496315; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:41:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <61C64FDA-1FF0-4CB6-9D7B-30D952B83F59@jisc.ac.uk> <1B140B2A-909B-4D14-9F4E-12B86149915F@cisco.com> <36B6FC92-EDBF-4973-9A1A-5EBAB8433220@tzi.org> <945FF202-6FA2-4014-90C5-7D93FF2F8FC5@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Ted Lemon Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 11:41:25 -0400 Message-ID: To: Robert Sparks Cc: Bernie Volz , Bob Hinden , CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO , Carsten Bormann , tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009c75fa05db5d433d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Int-dir] Auto-acceptance/non-notification of assigned reviews... X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:41:43 -0000 --0000000000009c75fa05db5d433d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it=E2=80=99s = a review. It=E2=80=99s fine if the draft title is there as long as it didn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80=99= t stand out. Putting =E2=80=9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2=80=9D in all caps would work. Don=E2= =80=99t try to make it pretty=E2=80=94try to make it stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have an automatic = tool that=E2=80=99s deleting these=E2=80=94they just look so much like regular email about the = draft that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitually don=E2=80=99t read about, I=E2=80=99m= going to delete the assignment without it ever registering that it=E2=80=99s not a working grou= p email message. On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks wrote: > I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to > run this by all the review teams. > > RjS > > On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > > >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO < > cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Carsten, > >> > >> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise tha= t > work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of > by " I think would cover all expressed concerns. Wh= at > do you think? > > Sounds good to me. > > > > Bob > > > > > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Carlos > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO > wrote: > >>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subjec= t > line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relevant= . What the > assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigne= d, > and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically > do: deleting it without reading. > >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that messag= e > again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it. > >> > >> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process for= dealing > with the daily mail tsunamis. > >> > >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --0000000000009c75fa05db5d433d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject=C2=A0linereally empha= size that it=E2=80=99s a review. It=E2=80=99s fine if the draft title is th= ere as long as it didn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80=99t stand out. Putting =E2=80= =9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2=80=9D in all caps would work.=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t t= ry to make it pretty=E2=80=94try to make it stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have= an automatic tool that=E2=80=99s deleting these=E2=80=94they just look so = much like regular email about the draft that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitual= ly don=E2=80=99t read about, I=E2=80=99m going to delete the assignment wit= hout it ever registering that it=E2=80=99s not a working group email messag= e.=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
I'll use ht= tps://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to
run this by all the review teams.

RjS

On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wro= te:
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise= that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignm= ent of <draft-foo> by <deadline>" I think would cover all = expressed concerns. What do you think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote= :
>>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in = the subject line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s no= t relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a revi= ew has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing w= hat I automatically do: deleting it without reading.
>> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that me= ssage again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.<= br> >>
>> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process= for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis.
>>
>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________
>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug report= s.
>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org<= /a>
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--0000000000009c75fa05db5d433d-- From nobody Tue Mar 29 08:53:04 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DF63A19C0 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:53:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.089 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.089 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UujTdtMbMqNK for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AF1A3A1138 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.114] ([47.186.48.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.17.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 22TFqtpq090139 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:52:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1648569176; bh=6N6dR0gAYyhbHPZbfLQIlzTlVzsBpR2ffL3PU/ekXcs=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=oY2mkskI5P9z19lalENNQA36Brb33f4mbhTtUEUqXnTYUYGWI2G+crqEv2virDbH6 gHRQCHJQPZcAKXHpjfCqH60rkFGEfEap8teemxM79fPQ+WN5BMjxpGsScKWKAVyLmW Q81YADQAwpH46n3IPRHRxuOOibxCmp+aMXT1x2w8= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.48.51] claimed to be [192.168.1.114] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------x3AI1It1ep9GQiPgMjAIwExu" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:52:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.7.0 Content-Language: en-US To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <61C64FDA-1FF0-4CB6-9D7B-30D952B83F59@jisc.ac.uk> <1B140B2A-909B-4D14-9F4E-12B86149915F@cisco.com> <36B6FC92-EDBF-4973-9A1A-5EBAB8433220@tzi.org> <945FF202-6FA2-4014-90C5-7D93FF2F8FC5@gmail.com> From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Int-dir] Auto-acceptance/non-notification of assigned reviews... X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:53:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------x3AI1It1ep9GQiPgMjAIwExu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some alternatives to think about: Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment would be useful. Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ (linked from the menu under your login name)? RjS On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > I’d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it’s a review. > It’s fine if the draft title is there as long as it didn’ doesn’t > stand out. Putting “REVIEW ASSIGNMENT” in all caps would work.  Don’t > try to make it pretty—try to make it stand out. I don’t have an > automatic tool that’s deleting these—they just look so much like > regular email about the draft that if it’s one I habitually don’t read > about, I’m going to delete the assignment without it ever registering > that it’s not a working group email message. > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks wrote: > > I'll use > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to > run this by all the review teams. > > RjS > > On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > > >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Carsten, > >> > >> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best > compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR > review assignment of by " I think would > cover all expressed concerns. What do you think? > > Sounds good to me. > > > > Bob > > > > > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Carlos > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann > wrote: > >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO > wrote: > >>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the > subject line of review assignment email messages, since it’s not > relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that > a review has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks > people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without reading. > >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that > message again when working on the draft name; you might as well > not send it. > >> > >> I don’t think we can assume everybody has the same process for > dealing with the daily mail tsunamis. > >> > >> Grüße, Carsten > >> > >> ___________________________________________________________ > >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug > reports. > >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------x3AI1It1ep9GQiPgMjAIwExu Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Some alternatives to think about:

Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment would be useful.

Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ (linked from the menu under your login name)?

RjS

On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
I’d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it’s a review. It’s fine if the draft title is there as long as it didn’ doesn’t stand out. Putting “REVIEW ASSIGNMENT” in all caps would work.  Don’t try to make it pretty—try to make it stand out. I don’t have an automatic tool that’s deleting these—they just look so much like regular email about the draft that if it’s one I habitually don’t read about, I’m going to delete the assignment without it ever registering that it’s not a working group email message. 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to
run this by all the review teams.

RjS

On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of <draft-foo> by <deadline>" I think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject line of review assignment email messages, since it’s not relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without reading.
>> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.
>>
>> I don’t think we can assume everybody has the same process for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis.
>>
>> Grüße, Carsten
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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:56:26 -0000 --0000000000004a0c4205db5d786f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=E2=80=99t use the data tracker often enough that this would work for = me. I did use the reviews link to figure out if I really had a review after seeing Carlos=E2=80=99 summary message. Honestly, the thing that would work= best for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to that just marked a suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead date to make sure that if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before the deadline. I look at my calendar a lot. On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53 Robert Sparks wrote: > Some alternatives to think about: > > Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message > popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment > would be useful. > > Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ (linked > from the menu under your login name)? > > RjS > On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > > I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it=E2=80=99= s a review. It=E2=80=99s > fine if the draft title is there as long as it didn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80= =99t stand out. > Putting =E2=80=9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2=80=9D in all caps would work. Don= =E2=80=99t try to make it > pretty=E2=80=94try to make it stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have an automati= c tool that=E2=80=99s > deleting these=E2=80=94they just look so much like regular email about th= e draft > that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitually don=E2=80=99t read about, I=E2=80= =99m going to delete the > assignment without it ever registering that it=E2=80=99s not a working gr= oup email > message. > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks wrote: > >> I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to >> run this by all the review teams. >> >> RjS >> >> On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> > >> >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO < >> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Carsten, >> >> >> >> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise >> that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment= of >> by " I think would cover all expressed concerns. W= hat >> do you think? >> > Sounds good to me. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Carlos >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: >> >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO >> wrote: >> >>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the >> subject line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not= relevant. >> What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has be= en >> assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I >> automatically do: deleting it without reading. >> >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that >> message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send= it. >> >> >> >> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process fo= r dealing >> with the daily mail tsunamis. >> >> >> >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________ >> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li= stinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --0000000000004a0c4205db5d786f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don=E2=80=99t use the data tracker often enough that th= is would work for me. I did use the reviews link to figure out if I really = had a review after seeing Carlos=E2=80=99 summary message. Honestly, the th= ing that would work best for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to= that just marked a suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead d= ate to make sure that if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before t= he deadline. I look at my calendar a lot.=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at= 11:53 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@n= ostrum.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Some alternatives to think about:

Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment would be useful.

Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ (linked from the menu under your login name)?

RjS

On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
=20
I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject=C2=A0linereally= emphasize that it=E2=80=99s a review. It=E2=80=99s fine if the draft title is= there as long as it didn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80=99t stand out. Putting =E2=80= =9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2=80=9D in all caps would work.=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t try to make it pretty= =E2=80=94try to make it stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have an automatic tool that=E2=80=99s= deleting these=E2=80=94they just look so much like regular email about the d= raft that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitually don=E2=80=99t read about, I= =E2=80=99m going to delete the assignment without it ever registering that it=E2=80=99s= not a working group email message.=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to
run this by all the review teams.

RjS

On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <c= jbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of <draft-foo> by <deadline>" I think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.= org> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <c= jbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without reading.
>> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.
>>
>> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the = same process for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis.
>>
>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>>
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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:00:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------RSlhP3nDp9E15mRE0Tqwtd9M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 3/29/22 10:56 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > I don’t use the data tracker often enough that this would work for me. > I did use the reviews link to figure out if I really had a review > after seeing Carlos’ summary message. Honestly, the thing that would > work best for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to that just > marked a suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead date to > make sure that if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before the > deadline. I look at my calendar a lot. I captured that idea at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53 Robert Sparks wrote: > > Some alternatives to think about: > > Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a > message popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get > an assignment would be useful. > > Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ > (linked from the menu under your login name)? > > RjS > > On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >> I’d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it’s a >> review. It’s fine if the draft title is there as long as it didn’ >> doesn’t stand out. Putting “REVIEW ASSIGNMENT” in all caps would >> work. Don’t try to make it pretty—try to make it stand out. I >> don’t have an automatic tool that’s deleting these—they just look >> so much like regular email about the draft that if it’s one I >> habitually don’t read about, I’m going to delete the assignment >> without it ever registering that it’s not a working group email >> message. >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks >> wrote: >> >> I'll use >> https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to >> run this by all the review teams. >> >> RjS >> >> On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> > >> >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Carsten, >> >> >> >> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best >> compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT >> DIR review assignment of by " I think >> would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think? >> > Sounds good to me. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Carlos >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann >> wrote: >> >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO >> wrote: >> >>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name >> in the subject line of review assignment email messages, >> since it’s not relevant. What the assignment message needs to >> communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting >> the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically >> do: deleting it without reading. >> >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find >> that message again when working on the draft name; you might >> as well not send it. >> >> >> >> I don’t think we can assume everybody has the same process >> for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis. >> >> >> >> Grüße, Carsten >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or >> bug reports. >> >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________ >> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug >> reports. >> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug >> reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: >> webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Reporttools.ietf.org bugs to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: > webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list -Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to:datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to:webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to:ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe):https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss --------------RSlhP3nDp9E15mRE0Tqwtd9M Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


On 3/29/22 10:56 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
I don’t use the data tracker often enough that this would work for me. I did use the reviews link to figure out if I really had a review after seeing Carlos’ summary message. Honestly, the thing that would work best for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to that just marked a suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead date to make sure that if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before the deadline. I look at my calendar a lot.
I captured that idea at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Some alternatives to think about:

Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment would be useful.

Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ (linked from the menu under your login name)?

RjS

On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
I’d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it’s a review. It’s fine if the draft title is there as long as it didn’ doesn’t stand out. Putting “REVIEW ASSIGNMENT” in all caps would work.  Don’t try to make it pretty—try to make it stand out. I don’t have an automatic tool that’s deleting these—they just look so much like regular email about the draft that if it’s one I habitually don’t read about, I’m going to delete the assignment without it ever registering that it’s not a working group email message. 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to
run this by all the review teams.

RjS

On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of <draft-foo> by <deadline>" I think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject line of review assignment email messages, since it’s not relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without reading.
>> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.
>>
>> I don’t think we can assume everybody has the same process for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis.
>>
>> Grüße, Carsten
>>
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Oran wrote: >> On 29 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >> >>> Carsten, >>> >>> Where is the import button? If I go to the meetings materials page >>> for my >>> WG, I see an "Upload Minutes" button, but not an import button. >>> >> Ah, so maybe we have a trouble ticket here… >> I had the same problem - no button until you have already done an >> upload, and then if you try to import, it complains of a duplicate, >> and then you can’t delete the previously uploaded version. > Yes, this was identified late last week - I _thought_ an issue had > been created for it, but I'm not finding it right now (digging through > the post-meeting maelstrom). I'll dig a bit more, and will report the > issue number soon. https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3762 >> >>> Thanks, >>> Andy >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: >>> >>>> On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. 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Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:17:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <61C64FDA-1FF0-4CB6-9D7B-30D952B83F59@jisc.ac.uk> <1B140B2A-909B-4D14-9F4E-12B86149915F@cisco.com> <36B6FC92-EDBF-4973-9A1A-5EBAB8433220@tzi.org> <945FF202-6FA2-4014-90C5-7D93FF2F8FC5@gmail.com> <7c392328-96fa-32d9-ab1c-7d18c0128e99@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <7c392328-96fa-32d9-ab1c-7d18c0128e99@nostrum.com> From: Ted Lemon Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 12:17:25 -0400 Message-ID: To: Robert Sparks Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000055a43105db5dc429" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Int-dir] Auto-acceptance/non-notification of assigned reviews... X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:17:44 -0000 --00000000000055a43105db5dc429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks! I realize that=E2=80=99s probably an unreasonably big ask, but it = would be cool. :) On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 12:00 Robert Sparks wrote: > > On 3/29/22 10:56 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > > I don=E2=80=99t use the data tracker often enough that this would work fo= r me. I > did use the reviews link to figure out if I really had a review after > seeing Carlos=E2=80=99 summary message. Honestly, the thing that would wo= rk best > for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to that just marked a > suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead date to make sure > that if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before the deadline. I > look at my calendar a lot. > > I captured that idea at > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53 Robert Sparks wrote: > >> Some alternatives to think about: >> >> Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message >> popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment >> would be useful. >> >> Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ (linked >> from the menu under your login name)? >> >> RjS >> On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >> >> I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it=E2=80= =99s a review. It=E2=80=99s >> fine if the draft title is there as long as it didn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80= =99t stand out. >> Putting =E2=80=9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2=80=9D in all caps would work. Don= =E2=80=99t try to make it >> pretty=E2=80=94try to make it stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have an automat= ic tool that=E2=80=99s >> deleting these=E2=80=94they just look so much like regular email about t= he draft >> that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitually don=E2=80=99t read about, I=E2=80= =99m going to delete the >> assignment without it ever registering that it=E2=80=99s not a working g= roup email >> message. >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks wrote= : >> >>> I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to >>> run this by all the review teams. >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >>> > >>> >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO < >>> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi Carsten, >>> >> >>> >> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise >>> that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignmen= t of >>> by " I think would cover all expressed concerns. = What >>> do you think? >>> > Sounds good to me. >>> > >>> > Bob >>> > >>> > >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> >>> >> Carlos >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann wrote= : >>> >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO >>> wrote: >>> >>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the >>> subject line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s no= t relevant. >>> What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has b= een >>> assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I >>> automatically do: deleting it without reading. >>> >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that >>> message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not sen= d it. >>> >> >>> >> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process f= or >>> dealing with the daily mail tsunamis. >>> >> >>> >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>> >> >>> >> ___________________________________________________________ >>> >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> > >>> > ___________________________________________________________ >>> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.o= rg >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/l= istinfo/tools-discuss >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >> datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li= stinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --00000000000055a43105db5dc429 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks!=C2=A0 I realize that=E2=80=99s probably an unreas= onably big ask, but it would be cool. :)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 12:00 = Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.= com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20


On 3/29/22 10:56 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
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I don=E2=80=99t use the data tracker often enough t= hat this would work for me. I did use the reviews link to figure out if I really had a review after seeing Carlos=E2=80=99 summary messa= ge. Honestly, the thing that would work best for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to that just marked a suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead date to make sure that if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before the deadline. I look at my calendar a lot.
I captured that idea at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/376= 0


On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Some alternatives to think about:

Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment would be useful.

Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/re= view/ (linked from the menu under your login name)?

RjS

On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject=C2=A0= linereally emphasize that it=E2=80=99s a review. It=E2=80=99s fine i= f the draft title is there as long as it didn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80=99= t stand out. Putting =E2=80=9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2=80=9D in all caps w= ould work.=C2=A0 Don=E2=80=99t try to make it pretty=E2=80=94try to make i= t stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have an automatic tool that=E2=80=99s del= eting these=E2=80=94they just look so much like regular email a= bout the draft that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitually don=E2=80= =99t read about, I=E2=80=99m going to delete the assignment without= it ever registering that it=E2=80=99s not a working group em= ail message.=C2=A0

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
I'll use https://github.c= om/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to
run this by all the review teams.

RjS

On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of <draft-foo> by <deadline>" I think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s = not relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without reading.
>> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.
>>
>> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybod= y has the same process for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis.
>>
>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>>
>> _____________________________________________________= ______
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--00000000000055a43105db5dc429-- From nobody Tue Mar 29 09:24:07 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8773A1AA5 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.661 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gq6fw6_Hdeef for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B7DA3A1605 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:51]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A75C549BE6; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 80FA74EAA68; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:23:54 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Robert Sparks Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: References: <691636A7-9680-422E-88F2-19409A85B4CF@tzi.org> <40D7D725-0811-4BE7-A06E-8F794F034166@orandom.net> <85db2b0b-2c4a-78a6-a7ec-81e88d46c538@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Novice burned by minutes upload/publishing procedure X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:24:06 -0000 Thanks, Robert Is there a simple workaround, such as crafting the appropriate URL for the import button for a particular WG ? Or is it one of those URL-free buttons from Javascript ? Cheers Toerless On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:10:11AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > > On 3/29/22 10:21 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > > > On 3/29/22 10:00 AM, David R. Oran wrote: > > > On 29 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > > > > > > Carsten, > > > > > > > > Where is the import button? If I go to the meetings materials > > > > page for my > > > > WG, I see an "Upload Minutes" button, but not an import button. > > > > > > > Ah, so maybe we have a trouble ticket here… > > > I had the same problem - no button until you have already done an > > > upload, and then if you try to import, it complains of a duplicate, > > > and then you can’t delete the previously uploaded version. > > Yes, this was identified late last week - I _thought_ an issue had been > > created for it, but I'm not finding it right now (digging through the > > post-meeting maelstrom). I'll dig a bit more, and will report the issue > > number soon. > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3762 > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran wrote: > > > > > > So, we’ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable. > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea why the “Import…” button wasn’t there, but > > > > > you can fix your > > > > > markdown using the “de-gfm” tool that is part of kramdown-rfc. > > > > > Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and > > > > > upload that. > > > > > > > > > > (Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use > > > > > the import > > > > > button.) > > > > > > > > > > Grüße, Carsten > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > > > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > > > DaveO > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Tue Mar 29 09:33:33 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD9A3A1AD0; 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> Cheers > Toerless > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:10:11AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: >> On 3/29/22 10:21 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> On 3/29/22 10:00 AM, David R. Oran wrote: >>>> On 29 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >>>> >>>>> Carsten, >>>>> >>>>> Where is the import button? If I go to the meetings materials >>>>> page for my >>>>> WG, I see an "Upload Minutes" button, but not an import button. >>>>> >>>> Ah, so maybe we have a trouble ticket here… >>>> I had the same problem - no button until you have already done an >>>> upload, and then if you try to import, it complains of a duplicate, >>>> and then you can’t delete the previously uploaded version. >>> Yes, this was identified late last week - I _thought_ an issue had been >>> created for it, but I'm not finding it right now (digging through the >>> post-meeting maelstrom). I'll dig a bit more, and will report the issue >>> number soon. >> https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3762 >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran wrote: >>>>>>> So, we’ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable. >>>>>> Hi Dave, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no idea why the “Import…” button wasn’t there, but >>>>>> you can fix your >>>>>> markdown using the “de-gfm” tool that is part of kramdown-rfc. >>>>>> Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and >>>>>> upload that. >>>>>> >>>>>> (Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use >>>>>> the import >>>>>> button.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Grüße, Carsten >>>>>> >>>>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>>>>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>>>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>>>> >>>> DaveO >>>> >>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: >>> datatracker-project@ietf.org >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Tue Mar 29 09:56:46 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8CF3A1707 for ; 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X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:56:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail-C00CCFA8-8593-4D3D-806C-10D392A21E4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As someone who is also a slave to their calendar it=E2=80=99s an awesome ide= a. But I understand it=E2=80=99s a big ask also.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2022, at 12:17, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Thanks! I realize that=E2=80=99s probably an unreasonably big ask, but it= would be cool. :) >=20 >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 12:00 Robert Sparks wrote:= >>=20 >>> On 3/29/22 10:56 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>> I don=E2=80=99t use the data tracker often enough that this would work f= or me. I did use the reviews link to figure out if I really had a review aft= er seeing Carlos=E2=80=99 summary message. Honestly, the thing that would wo= rk best for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to that just marked a= suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead date to make sure tha= t if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before the deadline. I look a= t my calendar a lot.=20 >> I captured that idea at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discuss= ions/3760 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53 Robert Sparks wrote= : >>>> Some alternatives to think about: >>>>=20 >>>> Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a messag= e popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment w= ould be useful. >>>>=20 >>>> Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/review/ (linked f= rom the menu under your login name)? >>>>=20 >>>> RjS >>>>=20 >>>>> On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >>>>> I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject linereally emphasize that it=E2=80= =99s a review. It=E2=80=99s fine if the draft title is there as long as it d= idn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80=99t stand out. Putting =E2=80=9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2= =80=9D in all caps would work. Don=E2=80=99t try to make it pretty=E2=80=94= try to make it stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have an automatic tool that=E2=80=99= s deleting these=E2=80=94they just look so much like regular email about the= draft that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitually don=E2=80=99t read about, I=E2=80= =99m going to delete the assignment without it ever registering that it=E2=80= =99s not a working group email message.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks wro= te: >>>>>> I'll use https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 t= o=20 >>>>>> run this by all the review teams. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> RjS >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Hi Carsten, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise= that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of= by " I think would cover all expressed concerns. What= do you think? >>>>>> > Sounds good to me. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Bob >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Thanks, >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Carlos >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann wro= te: >>>>>> >> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO wrote: >>>>>> >>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the su= bject line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s not relev= ant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has b= een assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I aut= omatically do: deleting it without reading. >>>>>> >> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that me= ssage again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody has the same process= for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>>> >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug report= s. >>>>>> >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@= ietf.org >>>>>> >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>>> >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>>> >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mai= lman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ___________________________________________________________ >>>>>> > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>>> > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports= . >>>>>> > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@i= etf.org >>>>>> > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>>> > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>>> > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@iet= f.org >>>>>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailma= n/listinfo/tools-discuss >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf= .org >>>>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman= /listinfo/tools-discuss >>>> ___________________________________________________________ >>>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.= org >>>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/tools-discuss >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.o= rg >>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >>> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/l= istinfo/tools-discuss >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. >> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.or= g >> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org >> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li= stinfo/tools-discuss > ___________________________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org= > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/lis= tinfo/tools-discuss --Apple-Mail-C00CCFA8-8593-4D3D-806C-10D392A21E4B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As someone who is also a slave to their cal= endar it=E2=80=99s an awesome idea. But I understand it=E2=80=99s a big ask a= lso. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2022, at 12:17, Ted Lemon <mell= on@fugue.com> wrote:

=
=EF=BB=BF
Thanks!  I realize that=E2=80= =99s probably an unreasonably big ask, but it would be cool. :)
On Tue, M= ar 29, 2022 at 12:00 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
=20
I don=E2=80=99t use the data tracker often enough th= at this would work for me. I did use the reviews link to figure out if I really had a review after seeing Carlos=E2=80=99 summary messag= e. Honestly, the thing that would work best for me would be to have a calendar to subscribe to that just marked a suggested day to do the review along with a drop-dead date to make sure that if I space out, I get a last chance to do it before the deadline. I look at my calendar a lot.
I captured that idea at https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760<= /a>


On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:53 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Some alternatives to think about:

Do you use the datatracker (while logged in) often enough that a message popping up at the top of the page (only once) when you get an assignment would be useful.

Also, do you use https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/revi= ew/ (linked from the menu under your login name)?

RjS

On 3/29/22 10:41 AM, Ted Lemon wrote:
I=E2=80=99d like to see the subject l= inereally emphasize that it=E2=80=99s a review. It=E2=80=99s fine if= the draft title is there as long as it didn=E2=80=99 doesn=E2=80=99t= stand out. Putting =E2=80=9CREVIEW ASSIGNMENT=E2=80=9D in all caps wo= uld work.  Don=E2=80=99t try to make it pretty=E2=80=94try to make it= stand out. I don=E2=80=99t have an automatic tool that=E2=80=99s dele= ting these=E2=80=94they just look so much like regular email ab= out the draft that if it=E2=80=99s one I habitually don=E2=80=99= t read about, I=E2=80=99m going to delete the assignment without i= t ever registering that it=E2=80=99s not a working group ema= il message. 

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:25 Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
I'll use https://github.com= /ietf-tools/datatracker/discussions/3760 to
run this by all the review teams.

RjS

On 3/29/22 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 6:40 AM, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> I agree, but I think we should discuss to find the best compromise that work best for everybody. Something like: "INT DIR review assignment of <draft-foo> by <deadline>" I think would cover all expressed concerns. What do you think?
> Sounds good to me.
>
> Bob
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 3:33 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-03-29, at 14:49, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>>> My suggested fix for this is to not put the draft name in the subject line of review assignment email messages, since it=E2=80=99s n= ot relevant. What the assignment message needs to communicate is that a review has been assigned, and putting the draft name there risks people doing what I automatically do: deleting it without reading.
>> If the draft name is not in the subject, I will never find that message again when working on the draft name; you might as well not send it.
>>
>> I don=E2=80=99t think we can assume everybody= has the same process for dealing with the daily mail tsunamis.
>>
>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>>
>> ______________________________________________________= _____
>> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
>> This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports.
>> * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org
>> * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org
>> * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org<= br> >> List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/= listinfo/tools-discuss
>
> ______________________________________________________= _____
> Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org
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a9-20020a17090a688900b001c690613e5fmr747434pjd.241.1648583715841; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 12:55:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8EDE1D2A-E683-4F89-88A1-3D433479F697@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <8EDE1D2A-E683-4F89-88A1-3D433479F697@juniper.net> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 15:54:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: John Scudder Cc: tools-discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c3ecda05db60cea7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] notes.ietf.org is reporting an "Internal Server Error" X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:55:22 -0000 --000000000000c3ecda05db60cea7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, Yes, I can confirm that Glen fixed the issue. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 2:15 PM John Scudder wrote: > Hi Andy, > > On Mar 29, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > When I try to access anything at notes.ietf.org > , > I just get "Internal Server Error". Is it just me? > > > I bet this (from a different thread) is related: > > On Mar 29, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > Note, however, that at the moment, the notes service is 500ing, and the > secretariat is working on a fix. Be sure you can _see_ the notes you > want to import before trying to do so. > > > From Bob=E2=80=99s reply, seems like it must=E2=80=99ve been fixed. > > =E2=80=94John > --000000000000c3ecda05db60cea7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
John,

Yes, I can confirm that Glen fixe= d the issue.

Cheers,
Andy

=

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 2:15 PM John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:
Hi Andy,

On Mar 29, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com> wrote:

When I try to access anything at=C2=A0notes.ietf.org<= span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-v= ariant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;t= ext-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text= -decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">, I just get "Internal Server Error". Is it just me?

I bet this (from a different thread) is related:

On Mar 29, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
Note, however, that at the m= oment, the notes service is 500ing, and the
secretariat is working on a fix. = Be sure you can _see_ the notes you
want to import before trying to d= o so.

From Bob=E2=80=99s reply, se= ems like it must=E2=80=99ve been fixed.

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Thu, 31 Mar 2022 18:48:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by faui48e.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 48C6C4EAA98; Thu, 31 Mar 2022 18:48:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 18:48:03 +0200 From: Toerless Eckert To: Robert Sparks , wgchairs@ietf.org Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: References: <691636A7-9680-422E-88F2-19409A85B4CF@tzi.org> <40D7D725-0811-4BE7-A06E-8F794F034166@orandom.net> <85db2b0b-2c4a-78a6-a7ec-81e88d46c538@nostrum.com> <32dcf78f-3bb3-f131-8db4-deb526146d0d@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <32dcf78f-3bb3-f131-8db4-deb526146d0d@nostrum.com> Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] how to import WG meeting notes from notes.ietf.org Re: Novice burned by minutes upload/publishing procedure X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 16:49:44 -0000 Thanks Robert, Workaround procedure first creating notes-00.txt to then have the button worked great. Cc'ong wgchairs in case other WG chairs are not aware of this option (as it's kinda trying to hide itself due to the bug ;-) Cheers Toerless On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:35:07AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > > On 3/29/22 11:23 AM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Thanks, Robert > > > > Is there a simple workaround, such as crafting the appropriate URL for > > the import button for a particular WG ? Or is it one of those URL-free > > buttons from Javascript ? > > You can craft the URL, but until the fixes go in for this, the safer thing > to do is upload a simple -00 minutes in text or markdown format that simply > says "preparing to import minutes from notes", and then import using the > button. > > Note, however, that at the moment, the notes service is 500ing, and the > secretariat is working on a fix. Be sure you can _see_ the notes you want to > import before trying to do so. > > RjS > > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:10:11AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > > > On 3/29/22 10:21 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > > > On 3/29/22 10:00 AM, David R. Oran wrote: > > > > > On 29 Mar 2022, at 10:49, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Carsten, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is the import button? If I go to the meetings materials > > > > > > page for my > > > > > > WG, I see an "Upload Minutes" button, but not an import button. > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, so maybe we have a trouble ticket here… > > > > > I had the same problem - no button until you have already done an > > > > > upload, and then if you try to import, it complains of a duplicate, > > > > > and then you can’t delete the previously uploaded version. > > > > Yes, this was identified late last week - I _thought_ an issue had been > > > > created for it, but I'm not finding it right now (digging through the > > > > post-meeting maelstrom). I'll dig a bit more, and will report the issue > > > > number soon. > > > https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/3762 > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:55 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-28, at 17:26, David R. Oran wrote: > > > > > > > > So, we’ve got minutes uploaded, but not really readable. > > > > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea why the “Import…” button wasn’t there, but > > > > > > > you can fix your > > > > > > > markdown using the “de-gfm” tool that is part of kramdown-rfc. > > > > > > > Just run the markdown you downloaded from hedgedoc through de-gfm and > > > > > > > upload that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Datatracker can do that, but IIRC only does this if you use > > > > > > > the import > > > > > > > button.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grüße, Carsten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > > > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > > > > > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > > > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > > > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > DaveO > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > > > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: > > > > datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Tools-discuss mailing list - Tools-discuss@ietf.org > > > This list is for discussion, not for action requests or bug reports. > > > * Report datatracker and mailarchive bugs to: datatracker-project@ietf.org > > > * Report tools.ietf.org bugs to: webmaster@tools.ietf.org > > > * Report all other bugs or issues to: ietf-action@ietf.org > > > List info (including how to Unsubscribe): https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss -- --- tte@cs.fau.de