Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01GDRCU@eListX.com>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01GDQCT@eListX.com> (original mail from ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01GDQCR@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01F1A70@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@moderate.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01F196Z@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D03F196X@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01F196W@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (ns0.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FWK00C63F0X6H@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402D81A03A5 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:52:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jcobb@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15502 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:53:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jorge Cobb Subject: Electronic Commerce Symposium CFP To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-warning: apache.utdallas.edu: jcobb owned process doing -bs List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , * please forgive us if you receive multiple copies of this message * feel free to distribute to your colleagues. ISADS 2001 CALL FOR PAPERS The Fifth International Symposium on Autonomous Decentralized Systems with an emphasis on electronic commerce Monday March 26 - Wednesday March 28, 2001 Dallas, Texas, USA Sponsored by: IEEE Computer Society Information Processing Society of Japan The Society of Instrument and Control Engineers of Japan The Institute of Electronics, Infor. and Communication Engineers, Japan In Cooperation with: International Federation for Information Processing International Federation of Automatic Control OMG TINA-C Manufacturing Science and Technology Center, Japan Scope: Driven by the continuous growth in the power, intelligence and openness of computer, communication and control technologies, possibilities and opportunities for realizing highly efficient and dependable business and control systems have been steadily increasing. Dynamically changing social and economic situations demand next-generation systems based on emerging technologies and applications. Such systems are expected to have the characteristics of living systems composed of largely autonomous and decentralized components. Such systems are called Autonomous Decentralized Systems (ADS). After the successful first, second, third, and fourth International Symposium on Autonomous Decentralized Systems (ISADS) held in 1993 in Japan, in 1995 in the USA , in 1997 in Germany, and in 1999 in Japan, the fifth ISADS will be held in Dallas, Texas, USA during March 26-28, 2001. While ISADS 2001 will primarily focus on advancements and innovation in ADS concept, technologies, and applications related to the increasingly important topic of *Electronic Commerce*, other themes such as telecommunications and heterogeneous system and application integration will also be included. The ISADS 2001 committee invites papers and panel proposals on the topics of the symposium that will foster interactions among researchers and practitioners in computer, communication, management, control as applied to electronic commerce and other related fields from academia, industry, and government. The scope of discussions on ADS shall include, but not be limited to: * Computer and communication architectures / intelligent network /Internet; * Heterogeneous distributed information / control systems; * Mobile agent /computer-supported cooperative works; * Distributed software development and maintenance; * Assurance, fault tolerance and on-line expansion; * Object management architecture /design pattern / application frameworks; * Emergent control and robotic systems; * Novel applications: electronic commerce, telecommunications, information service systems, manufacturing systems, real-time event management, office automation, traffic and transportation control, logistics systems. Plant tour is scheduled on March 29, 2001. Delegates are encour- aged to participate. Information for Authors Papers should describe original work (not submitted or published elsewhere) and be 20 double-spaced pages (5,000 words) or less in length. Papers should include: title, authors, affiliations, 150-word abstract and list of keywords. Identify the author responsible for correspondence, including the author's name, position, mailing address, telephone and fax numbers, and email address. One of the authors of each accepted paper must present the paper at ISADS 2001. Information for Panel Organizers Panel proposals should include: title, organizer's affiliations, position, mailing address, telephone and fax numbers, email address, and 150-word statement on the scope, proposed chair and panelists. Submission Address Authors and panel organizers are requested to submit their manuscripts electrically in the Microsoft WORD document file format, the PDF format, or the Postscript format, and also email the abstract and the full addresses of the author(s) to the following address: thura@mitre.org Note The program committee of ISADS2001 highly encourage electronic submissions. Otherwise, papers should be sent to the program chair: Dr. Bhavani Thuraisingham Mail Stop A270 The MITRE Corporation 202 Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 Phone: 781-271-8873 Fax: 781-271-8752 Email: thura@mitre.org General Information For general information, see our World-Wide Web Page at: http://isads.utdallas.edu The proceedings of the symposium will be published by IEEE Computer Society Press. Important Deadlines August 15, 2000: All papers and panel proposals are due November 15, 2000: Authors and panel organizers notified of acceptance. December 15, 2000: Camera-ready copies of accepted papers and panelists' position papers General Chair William Osborne, U. of Texas, Dallas, USA Program Committee Chair: Bhavani Thuraisingham, The MITRE Corp., USA Co-Chair: Makoto Imase, NTT Labs, Japan Co-Chair: Linda Strick, GMD Fokus, Berlin, Germany Co-Chair: Jeffrey Tsai, U. of Illinois, Chicago, USA Members G. Agha, U. of IL, Urbana, USA R. Arai, U. of Tokyo, Japan D. Bae, KAIST, Korea F. Bastani, U. of TX, Dallas, USA E. Bertino, U. of Milano, Italy M. Ceruti, SPAWAR, USA I. Chen, Virginia, Tech, USA Y. Chen, U. of the Witwatersrand, South Africa R. Chow, U. of FL, USA J. Chung, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, USA P. Chuang, Tamkang U., Taiwan P. Ciancarini, U. of Bologna. B. Cukic, West Virginia U., USA K. Eckert, GMD FOKUS Germany S. Eisenbach, Imperial College, UK D. Ferrari, U. of Catoloca, Italy M. Fisher, Manchester Metropolitan U., UK M. Fujita, Sony, Japan A. Fukuda, Nara Inst. of Science and Technology, Japan V. Garg, Univ. of TX, Austin, USA S. Ghosh, Arizona State U., USA A. Ghafoor, Purdue U., USA A. Ghose, U. of Wollongong, Australia M. Gien, Sun, France V. Gobel, U. of Oslo, Norway T. Higashino Osaka U., Japan D. Hislop, ARO, USA I. Iida, Fujitsu, Japan Y. Ishiguro, NEC, Japan K. Ito, TITECH, Japan Y. Kakuda, Hiroshima City U., Japan K. Kim, U.C. Irvine, USA H. Kopetz, TU Wien, Austria J. Kramer, Imperial College, UK L. LeLann, INRIA, France C. Liu, Chung Yuan Christian U., Taiwan M. Lyu, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong, Hong Kong Y. Masunaga, Ochanomizu U., Japan W. Meng , State U. of New York at Binghamton, USA R. Montanari, U. of Bologna, Italy W. Ng, Nanyang Technological U., Singapore A. Prakash, U. of Michigan, USA J. Putman, MITRE, USA Q. Qingquan, Southwest Jiatong U., China N. Raynal, INRIA, France W. Ruh, Concept-V, USA D. Serpanos, Inst. of Comuter Science, Technology-Hellas, Greece S. Shekhar, U. of MN, Mpls, USA L. Simoncini, CNUCE-CNR, Italy R. Stroud, U. of New Castle, UK V. Subrahmanian, U. of MD, College Park, USA K. Tsuchiya, Kyoto Uv, Japan B. Wah, U. of IL, Urbana, USA Y. Wakahara, U. of Tokyo, Japan F. Wang, National Chao Tung U., Taiwan M. Wooldridge, U. of Liverpool, UK H. Yokota, TITECH, Japan M. Yano, Tohoku U., Japan S. Yongqiang, Shanghai Jiao Tong U, China P. Yu, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center S. Zubairy, Quaid-e-Azam U., Pakistan Steering Committee Chair: Stephen S. Yau, Arizona State U., USA Hiroshi Kuwahara, Hitachi, Japan Kinji Mori, Tokyo Inst. of Technology, Japan Radu Popescu-Zeletin, GMD, Germany Publicity Chair Jorge Cobb, U. of Texas, Dallas, USA Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900201F8H26@eListX.com>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900201F8G25@eListX.com> (original mail from ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900201F8F21@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900101EE0WG@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@moderate.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900101EDZWF@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900103EDYWD@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900101EDYWC@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW90011NEDXO5@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19175; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:07:39 -0400 From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement to Proposed Standard Sender: scoya@cnri.reston.va.us To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org Message-id: <200006161807.OAA19175@ietf.org> List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , The IESG has received a request from the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group to consider Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement as a Proposed Standard. The IESG will also consider publication of HTTP MIME Type Handler Detection as an Informational RFC. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by June 29, 2000. Files can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-mime-detector-03.txt Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J01IQ1RF@eListX.com>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J01IQ0RE@eListX.com> (original mail from dee3@torque.pothole.com) ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J03IPZRC@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J01IPYRB@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torque.pothole.com ([38.138.52.132]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW700FLTIPWU3@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08962; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:48:11 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: FWD: Internet-Draft Cut-off for Pittsburgh IETF To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Cc: lde008@dma.isg.mot.com Message-id: <200006151748.NAA08962@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp For those not on the main IETF list, here is the draft cutoff announcement: Message-Id: <200006151041.GAA26204@ietf.org> From: Internet-Draft Administrator To: IETF-Announce: ; Subject: Internet-Draft Cut-off for Pittsburgh IETF Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:41:24 -0400 -------- The cut-off for Interntet-Draft submissions prior to the Pittsburgh, PA, USA IETF meeting is Friday, July 14, 2000 at 5 pm US-ET. Internet-Drafts received after this time will NOT be announced nor made available in the Internet-Drafts Directories. We will begin accepting Internet-Draft submissions the week of the meeting, though announcements will NOT be sent until the IETF meeting is over. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions or concerns. NOTE: All initial submissions (-00.txt) with a filename beginning with a draft-ietf MUST be approved by the appropriate WG Chair prior to processing and announcing. WG Chair approval must be received prior to the I-D cut-off date. As such, -00 submissions received the day of the cut-off will NOT be processed as WG documents. Do NOT wait until the last minute. FYI: These and other significant date can be found at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/cutoff_dates_48.html Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D01SX5V7@eListX.com>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D01SX4V6@eListX.com> (original mail from dee3@torque.pothole.com) ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D03SX4V4@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D01SX3V3@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torque.pothole.com ([38.138.52.132]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW500CCISX0AE@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06709 for ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:33:15 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: draft-ietf-trade-mime-detector-03.txt & draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200006141933.PAA06709@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp Since the MIME detector draft has passed working group Last Call I will forward it to the IESG requesting publication as Informational. You may have noticed a second revision of the IOTP HTTP supplement. This was to fix capitlaization of "must" in some cases and the like, as requested by our Area Director. I will again be requesting approval for its publication. Thanks, Donald Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:14:35 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: HTTP Supplement and MIME Type Detector drafts To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200005311914.PAA10925@torque.pothole.com> Hi, This is the start of a two week Working Group last call on the draft-ietf-trade-mime-detector-03.txt draft. This is an informational document on determining what sort of MIME types a browser supports. Since there were no objections to the draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-05.txt draft as per below, I'm going to do a quick update onit to replace draft references with RFC references and forward it to the IESG for their approval for publication as a Proposed Standard RFC. Thanks, Donald Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:35:35 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: WG Last CAll draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-05.txt To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200005031935.PAA01825@torque.pothole.com> Since there have been no comments or suggestions on this draft for some time and earlier comments and suggestions have generally been incorporated, I'm calling a two week Working Group Last Call on this draft. I intend to forward the draft to the IESG as is or with minor changes based on future comments sometime on or after 17 May. Thanks, Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. 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Eastlake 3rd" Subject: Chris Smith comments on draft-ioag-base-00.txt To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200006141916.PAA06596@torque.pothole.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp These are comments from Chris Smith: >----------------------------------------------------- > >After a quick peek, I have initially noticed the >following items. This is not a comprehensive >review - some of these items may not be quite >as I have seen them, so if you find that you >disagree, please speak up. In addition, highly >relevant items may have been missed. Again, >if you see such, speak up. > >1) Inappropriateness of level > > This protocol does cover what it indicates - that > is > "the data transfer between the subsystems of > a distributed billing and accounting system." > > However, it covers much more as well. Based on the > overall role of a protocol such as this, I had > expected an application layer protocol. This goes > much lower. It includes topics that I would consider > out of scope, including such items as > 'time synchronization' and 'message fragmentation > and reassembly'. > > I expected that an application level protocol > would be designed to be transport independent. > >2) Incompleteness > > In spite of pushing all the way down to link level > messages (see (1) above) this protocol does not > cover any aspects of encrypting or protecting its > content except for a single bitflag to indicate > 'contents are encrypted'. However, since there appears > to be little flexibility in the message content structure, > this would require a significant volume of work to > add. > > Furthermore, this protocol appears to depend on the > security of the network on which it is carried. This is > reinforced by the statement. > > "10. Security Considerations > Authentication and crypting will be part of > the next version of BASE." > > Given the low level to which this protocol pushes its > definitions, it may prove difficult to add the above > features using either standardized or commonly accepted > security mechanisms. > >3) Inappropriate definitions > > This protocol assigns the authority for something called > 'license keys' to the "BASE registration office of the > INTERNET ONLINE AG". (The 'license keys' appear to actually > be identifiers, not keys in the more common cryptographic > sense of the word.) > > I would have expected this to reside elsewhere if this is to > fall under IETF governance. Other identifiers are simply specified > within the draft, with a policy of having new identifiers "announced > to the BASE registration office of the IOAG". This practice strikes > me as both inappropriate, and potentially a cause of conflicting > identifiers in actual use. > > The actual 'load types' as listed in this document also seem to > be the bare minimum. In particular, quality of service issues > appear to be restricted to bandwidth. Given the value of low > latency to some types of communication, the listed set of load > types will likely not be sufficient. > > Finally, the specifed URL, http://base.ioag.com, is not defined > as of this writing. This seems to be intended either for more > information, or as the registration point - this is not made clear. > >4) Exact role of IETF/IESG not clear > > I find that the following statement contributes to some confusion > regarding the relationships between IOAG, the IETF and the IESG. > > "BASE was defined by INTERNET ONLINE AG (IOAG) as a part of the > development of their BillingWare product. It is, however, not > restricted to a specific product, but allows a standardized > communication within a distributed system of load data generators > and load data analyzers." > > As I understand it, the above statement is true, whether or not > this is a draft or accepted as an EFC. > > A much more useful statement (although possibly beyond the scope > of a draft) would have indicated how passing this protocol into > the governance of the IESG would help or make a difference. > > Several statements throughout the document suggest that (1) this > protocol is in use and (2) a next version is expected. If the > goal here is NOT to involve the IESG and IETF in the work of the > next version, why is this even being posted as a draft? I speak > only for myself, but it would not surprise me to find that the > next version of the specification would be far more restricted > in its scope. However, I would have initial concerns about the > roles and reactions of the various parties if an in-use > proprietary protocol was to be picked up and heavily modified > by the IETF. > >In summary - it is reasonable to assume that there is a role for a >protocol to relay 'load data' for billing purposes. I am certain >that I do not have sufficient background to know if this is covered >by any existing IESG RFCs or initiatives. > >However, I would prefer to see a substantial amount of focus and >trimming of this specification to better focus on its core >requirements, and to better enable it to work within the >larger domain of standards that may better address non-core >requirements. > >------------------------------------------------------------ > Chris Smith                                +1.416.348.6090 > Royal Bank                       chris.smith@royalbank.com In response to the procedural parts above, the IETF has a long history of publishing protocols and networking documents of general interest even if they are not under IETF control. The main thing we should be looking for in review is problems with the protocol that are not mentioned in the protocol or conflicts with on-going IETF work. It's not a question of whether, as a working gorup, we approve of this, but whether there are serious problems we see which are not pointed out in the document. Thanks, Donald Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300501ARQ1D@eListX.com>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300501ARP1C@eListX.com> (original mail from nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us) ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300503ARO1A@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300501ARO19@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW300475ARN3X@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02464; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:00 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-id: <200006131104.HAA02464@ietf.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LtV/iYn8IPGPvUCFLOKkAw)" List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , --Boundary_(ID_LtV/iYn8IPGPvUCFLOKkAw) A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement Author(s) : D. Eastlake 3rd, C. Smith Filename : draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt Pages : 9 Date : 12-Jun-00 Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP [RFC 2801]) messages will be carried as XML documents. As such, the goal of mapping to the transport layer is to ensure that the underlying XML documents are carried successfully between the various parties. This documents describes that mapping for the Hyper Text Transport Protocol (HTTP), Versions 1.0 and 1.1. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt". 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Eastlake 3rd" Subject: IOTP Book Published To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200006092209.SAA28018@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp I hope you will excuse my posting this to the list bu McGraw Hill has published : "Internet Open Trading Protocol" by David Burdett, Donald E. Eastlake III, & Marcus Goncalves. ISBN 0-07-135501-4. Thanks, Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. 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This draft is a work item of the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement Author(s) : D. Eastlake 3rd, C. Smith Filename : draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Pages : 9 Date : 01-Jun-00 Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP [RFC 2801]) messages will be carried as XML documents. As such, the goal of mapping to the transport layer is to ensure that the underlying XML documents are carried successfully between the various parties. This documents describes that mapping for the Hyper Text Transport Protocol (HTTP), Versions 1.0 and 1.1. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement Author(s) : D. Eastlake 3rd, C. Smith Filename : draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Pages : 9 Date : 01-Jun-00 Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP [RFC 2801]) messages will be carried as XML documents. As such, the goal of mapping to the transport layer is to ensure that the underlying XML documents are carried successfully between the various parties. This documents describes that mapping for the Hyper Text Transport Protocol (HTTP), Versions 1.0 and 1.1. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt". 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Patrik Area Director, Applications Area Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01GDRCU@eListX.com>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01GDQCT@eListX.com> (original mail from ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01GDQCR@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01F1A70@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@moderate.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01F196Z@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D03F196X@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FWK00D01F196W@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.utdallas.edu (ns0.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.1]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FWK00C63F0X6H@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apache.utdallas.edu (apache.utdallas.edu [129.110.16.9]) by ns0.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402D81A03A5 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:52:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jcobb@localhost) by apache.utdallas.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15502 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:53:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jorge Cobb Subject: Electronic Commerce Symposium CFP To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Authentication-warning: apache.utdallas.edu: jcobb owned process doing -bs List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , * please forgive us if you receive multiple copies of this message * feel free to distribute to your colleagues. ISADS 2001 CALL FOR PAPERS The Fifth International Symposium on Autonomous Decentralized Systems with an emphasis on electronic commerce Monday March 26 - Wednesday March 28, 2001 Dallas, Texas, USA Sponsored by: IEEE Computer Society Information Processing Society of Japan The Society of Instrument and Control Engineers of Japan The Institute of Electronics, Infor. and Communication Engineers, Japan In Cooperation with: International Federation for Information Processing International Federation of Automatic Control OMG TINA-C Manufacturing Science and Technology Center, Japan Scope: Driven by the continuous growth in the power, intelligence and openness of computer, communication and control technologies, possibilities and opportunities for realizing highly efficient and dependable business and control systems have been steadily increasing. Dynamically changing social and economic situations demand next-generation systems based on emerging technologies and applications. Such systems are expected to have the characteristics of living systems composed of largely autonomous and decentralized components. Such systems are called Autonomous Decentralized Systems (ADS). After the successful first, second, third, and fourth International Symposium on Autonomous Decentralized Systems (ISADS) held in 1993 in Japan, in 1995 in the USA , in 1997 in Germany, and in 1999 in Japan, the fifth ISADS will be held in Dallas, Texas, USA during March 26-28, 2001. While ISADS 2001 will primarily focus on advancements and innovation in ADS concept, technologies, and applications related to the increasingly important topic of *Electronic Commerce*, other themes such as telecommunications and heterogeneous system and application integration will also be included. The ISADS 2001 committee invites papers and panel proposals on the topics of the symposium that will foster interactions among researchers and practitioners in computer, communication, management, control as applied to electronic commerce and other related fields from academia, industry, and government. The scope of discussions on ADS shall include, but not be limited to: * Computer and communication architectures / intelligent network /Internet; * Heterogeneous distributed information / control systems; * Mobile agent /computer-supported cooperative works; * Distributed software development and maintenance; * Assurance, fault tolerance and on-line expansion; * Object management architecture /design pattern / application frameworks; * Emergent control and robotic systems; * Novel applications: electronic commerce, telecommunications, information service systems, manufacturing systems, real-time event management, office automation, traffic and transportation control, logistics systems. Plant tour is scheduled on March 29, 2001. Delegates are encour- aged to participate. Information for Authors Papers should describe original work (not submitted or published elsewhere) and be 20 double-spaced pages (5,000 words) or less in length. Papers should include: title, authors, affiliations, 150-word abstract and list of keywords. Identify the author responsible for correspondence, including the author's name, position, mailing address, telephone and fax numbers, and email address. One of the authors of each accepted paper must present the paper at ISADS 2001. Information for Panel Organizers Panel proposals should include: title, organizer's affiliations, position, mailing address, telephone and fax numbers, email address, and 150-word statement on the scope, proposed chair and panelists. Submission Address Authors and panel organizers are requested to submit their manuscripts electrically in the Microsoft WORD document file format, the PDF format, or the Postscript format, and also email the abstract and the full addresses of the author(s) to the following address: thura@mitre.org Note The program committee of ISADS2001 highly encourage electronic submissions. Otherwise, papers should be sent to the program chair: Dr. Bhavani Thuraisingham Mail Stop A270 The MITRE Corporation 202 Burlington Road Bedford, MA 01730 Phone: 781-271-8873 Fax: 781-271-8752 Email: thura@mitre.org General Information For general information, see our World-Wide Web Page at: http://isads.utdallas.edu The proceedings of the symposium will be published by IEEE Computer Society Press. Important Deadlines August 15, 2000: All papers and panel proposals are due November 15, 2000: Authors and panel organizers notified of acceptance. December 15, 2000: Camera-ready copies of accepted papers and panelists' position papers General Chair William Osborne, U. of Texas, Dallas, USA Program Committee Chair: Bhavani Thuraisingham, The MITRE Corp., USA Co-Chair: Makoto Imase, NTT Labs, Japan Co-Chair: Linda Strick, GMD Fokus, Berlin, Germany Co-Chair: Jeffrey Tsai, U. of Illinois, Chicago, USA Members G. Agha, U. of IL, Urbana, USA R. Arai, U. of Tokyo, Japan D. Bae, KAIST, Korea F. Bastani, U. of TX, Dallas, USA E. Bertino, U. of Milano, Italy M. Ceruti, SPAWAR, USA I. Chen, Virginia, Tech, USA Y. Chen, U. of the Witwatersrand, South Africa R. Chow, U. of FL, USA J. Chung, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, USA P. Chuang, Tamkang U., Taiwan P. Ciancarini, U. of Bologna. B. Cukic, West Virginia U., USA K. Eckert, GMD FOKUS Germany S. Eisenbach, Imperial College, UK D. Ferrari, U. of Catoloca, Italy M. Fisher, Manchester Metropolitan U., UK M. Fujita, Sony, Japan A. Fukuda, Nara Inst. of Science and Technology, Japan V. Garg, Univ. of TX, Austin, USA S. Ghosh, Arizona State U., USA A. Ghafoor, Purdue U., USA A. Ghose, U. of Wollongong, Australia M. Gien, Sun, France V. Gobel, U. of Oslo, Norway T. Higashino Osaka U., Japan D. Hislop, ARO, USA I. Iida, Fujitsu, Japan Y. Ishiguro, NEC, Japan K. Ito, TITECH, Japan Y. Kakuda, Hiroshima City U., Japan K. Kim, U.C. Irvine, USA H. Kopetz, TU Wien, Austria J. Kramer, Imperial College, UK L. LeLann, INRIA, France C. Liu, Chung Yuan Christian U., Taiwan M. Lyu, The Chinese U. of Hong Kong, Hong Kong Y. Masunaga, Ochanomizu U., Japan W. Meng , State U. of New York at Binghamton, USA R. Montanari, U. of Bologna, Italy W. Ng, Nanyang Technological U., Singapore A. Prakash, U. of Michigan, USA J. Putman, MITRE, USA Q. Qingquan, Southwest Jiatong U., China N. Raynal, INRIA, France W. Ruh, Concept-V, USA D. Serpanos, Inst. of Comuter Science, Technology-Hellas, Greece S. Shekhar, U. of MN, Mpls, USA L. Simoncini, CNUCE-CNR, Italy R. Stroud, U. of New Castle, UK V. Subrahmanian, U. of MD, College Park, USA K. Tsuchiya, Kyoto Uv, Japan B. Wah, U. of IL, Urbana, USA Y. Wakahara, U. of Tokyo, Japan F. Wang, National Chao Tung U., Taiwan M. Wooldridge, U. of Liverpool, UK H. Yokota, TITECH, Japan M. Yano, Tohoku U., Japan S. Yongqiang, Shanghai Jiao Tong U, China P. Yu, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center S. Zubairy, Quaid-e-Azam U., Pakistan Steering Committee Chair: Stephen S. Yau, Arizona State U., USA Hiroshi Kuwahara, Hitachi, Japan Kinji Mori, Tokyo Inst. of Technology, Japan Radu Popescu-Zeletin, GMD, Germany Publicity Chair Jorge Cobb, U. of Texas, Dallas, USA Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900201F8H26@eListX.com>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900201F8G25@eListX.com> (original mail from ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900201F8F21@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900101EE0WG@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@moderate.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900101EDZWF@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-moderator@lists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900103EDYWD@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW900101EDYWC@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW90011NEDXO5@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19175; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:07:39 -0400 From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement to Proposed Standard Sender: scoya@cnri.reston.va.us To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org Message-id: <200006161807.OAA19175@ietf.org> List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , The IESG has received a request from the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group to consider Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement as a Proposed Standard. The IESG will also consider publication of HTTP MIME Type Handler Detection as an Informational RFC. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by June 29, 2000. Files can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-mime-detector-03.txt Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J01IQ1RF@eListX.com>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J01IQ0RE@eListX.com> (original mail from dee3@torque.pothole.com) ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J03IPZRC@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW700J01IPYRB@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torque.pothole.com ([38.138.52.132]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW700FLTIPWU3@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08962; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:48:11 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: FWD: Internet-Draft Cut-off for Pittsburgh IETF To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Cc: lde008@dma.isg.mot.com Message-id: <200006151748.NAA08962@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp For those not on the main IETF list, here is the draft cutoff announcement: Message-Id: <200006151041.GAA26204@ietf.org> From: Internet-Draft Administrator To: IETF-Announce: ; Subject: Internet-Draft Cut-off for Pittsburgh IETF Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:41:24 -0400 -------- The cut-off for Interntet-Draft submissions prior to the Pittsburgh, PA, USA IETF meeting is Friday, July 14, 2000 at 5 pm US-ET. Internet-Drafts received after this time will NOT be announced nor made available in the Internet-Drafts Directories. We will begin accepting Internet-Draft submissions the week of the meeting, though announcements will NOT be sent until the IETF meeting is over. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions or concerns. NOTE: All initial submissions (-00.txt) with a filename beginning with a draft-ietf MUST be approved by the appropriate WG Chair prior to processing and announcing. WG Chair approval must be received prior to the I-D cut-off date. As such, -00 submissions received the day of the cut-off will NOT be processed as WG documents. Do NOT wait until the last minute. FYI: These and other significant date can be found at http://www.ietf.org/meetings/cutoff_dates_48.html Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D01SX5V7@eListX.com>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D01SX4V6@eListX.com> (original mail from dee3@torque.pothole.com) ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D03SX4V4@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW500D01SX3V3@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torque.pothole.com ([38.138.52.132]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW500CCISX0AE@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA06709 for ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:33:15 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: draft-ietf-trade-mime-detector-03.txt & draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200006141933.PAA06709@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp Since the MIME detector draft has passed working group Last Call I will forward it to the IESG requesting publication as Informational. You may have noticed a second revision of the IOTP HTTP supplement. This was to fix capitlaization of "must" in some cases and the like, as requested by our Area Director. I will again be requesting approval for its publication. Thanks, Donald Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:14:35 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: HTTP Supplement and MIME Type Detector drafts To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200005311914.PAA10925@torque.pothole.com> Hi, This is the start of a two week Working Group last call on the draft-ietf-trade-mime-detector-03.txt draft. This is an informational document on determining what sort of MIME types a browser supports. Since there were no objections to the draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-05.txt draft as per below, I'm going to do a quick update onit to replace draft references with RFC references and forward it to the IESG for their approval for publication as a Proposed Standard RFC. Thanks, Donald Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:35:35 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" Subject: WG Last CAll draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-05.txt To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200005031935.PAA01825@torque.pothole.com> Since there have been no comments or suggestions on this draft for some time and earlier comments and suggestions have generally been incorporated, I'm calling a two week Working Group Last Call on this draft. I intend to forward the draft to the IESG as is or with minor changes based on future comments sometime on or after 17 May. Thanks, Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. 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Eastlake 3rd" Subject: Chris Smith comments on draft-ioag-base-00.txt To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200006141916.PAA06596@torque.pothole.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp These are comments from Chris Smith: >----------------------------------------------------- > >After a quick peek, I have initially noticed the >following items. This is not a comprehensive >review - some of these items may not be quite >as I have seen them, so if you find that you >disagree, please speak up. In addition, highly >relevant items may have been missed. Again, >if you see such, speak up. > >1) Inappropriateness of level > > This protocol does cover what it indicates - that > is > "the data transfer between the subsystems of > a distributed billing and accounting system." > > However, it covers much more as well. Based on the > overall role of a protocol such as this, I had > expected an application layer protocol. This goes > much lower. It includes topics that I would consider > out of scope, including such items as > 'time synchronization' and 'message fragmentation > and reassembly'. > > I expected that an application level protocol > would be designed to be transport independent. > >2) Incompleteness > > In spite of pushing all the way down to link level > messages (see (1) above) this protocol does not > cover any aspects of encrypting or protecting its > content except for a single bitflag to indicate > 'contents are encrypted'. However, since there appears > to be little flexibility in the message content structure, > this would require a significant volume of work to > add. > > Furthermore, this protocol appears to depend on the > security of the network on which it is carried. This is > reinforced by the statement. > > "10. Security Considerations > Authentication and crypting will be part of > the next version of BASE." > > Given the low level to which this protocol pushes its > definitions, it may prove difficult to add the above > features using either standardized or commonly accepted > security mechanisms. > >3) Inappropriate definitions > > This protocol assigns the authority for something called > 'license keys' to the "BASE registration office of the > INTERNET ONLINE AG". (The 'license keys' appear to actually > be identifiers, not keys in the more common cryptographic > sense of the word.) > > I would have expected this to reside elsewhere if this is to > fall under IETF governance. Other identifiers are simply specified > within the draft, with a policy of having new identifiers "announced > to the BASE registration office of the IOAG". This practice strikes > me as both inappropriate, and potentially a cause of conflicting > identifiers in actual use. > > The actual 'load types' as listed in this document also seem to > be the bare minimum. In particular, quality of service issues > appear to be restricted to bandwidth. Given the value of low > latency to some types of communication, the listed set of load > types will likely not be sufficient. > > Finally, the specifed URL, http://base.ioag.com, is not defined > as of this writing. This seems to be intended either for more > information, or as the registration point - this is not made clear. > >4) Exact role of IETF/IESG not clear > > I find that the following statement contributes to some confusion > regarding the relationships between IOAG, the IETF and the IESG. > > "BASE was defined by INTERNET ONLINE AG (IOAG) as a part of the > development of their BillingWare product. It is, however, not > restricted to a specific product, but allows a standardized > communication within a distributed system of load data generators > and load data analyzers." > > As I understand it, the above statement is true, whether or not > this is a draft or accepted as an EFC. > > A much more useful statement (although possibly beyond the scope > of a draft) would have indicated how passing this protocol into > the governance of the IESG would help or make a difference. > > Several statements throughout the document suggest that (1) this > protocol is in use and (2) a next version is expected. If the > goal here is NOT to involve the IESG and IETF in the work of the > next version, why is this even being posted as a draft? I speak > only for myself, but it would not surprise me to find that the > next version of the specification would be far more restricted > in its scope. However, I would have initial concerns about the > roles and reactions of the various parties if an in-use > proprietary protocol was to be picked up and heavily modified > by the IETF. > >In summary - it is reasonable to assume that there is a role for a >protocol to relay 'load data' for billing purposes. I am certain >that I do not have sufficient background to know if this is covered >by any existing IESG RFCs or initiatives. > >However, I would prefer to see a substantial amount of focus and >trimming of this specification to better focus on its core >requirements, and to better enable it to work within the >larger domain of standards that may better address non-core >requirements. > >------------------------------------------------------------ > Chris Smith                                +1.416.348.6090 > Royal Bank                       chris.smith@royalbank.com In response to the procedural parts above, the IETF has a long history of publishing protocols and networking documents of general interest even if they are not under IETF control. The main thing we should be looking for in review is problems with the protocol that are not mentioned in the protocol or conflicts with on-going IETF work. It's not a question of whether, as a working gorup, we approve of this, but whether there are serious problems we see which are not pointed out in the document. Thanks, Donald Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300501ARQ1D@eListX.com>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300501ARP1C@eListX.com> (original mail from nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us) ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300503ARO1A@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FW300501ARO19@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FW300475ARN3X@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA02464; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:04:00 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-id: <200006131104.HAA02464@ietf.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LtV/iYn8IPGPvUCFLOKkAw)" List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , --Boundary_(ID_LtV/iYn8IPGPvUCFLOKkAw) A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement Author(s) : D. Eastlake 3rd, C. Smith Filename : draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt Pages : 9 Date : 12-Jun-00 Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP [RFC 2801]) messages will be carried as XML documents. As such, the goal of mapping to the transport layer is to ensure that the underlying XML documents are carried successfully between the various parties. This documents describes that mapping for the Hyper Text Transport Protocol (HTTP), Versions 1.0 and 1.1. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-07.txt". 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Eastlake 3rd" Subject: IOTP Book Published To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: <200006092209.SAA28018@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , X-MTS: smtp I hope you will excuse my posting this to the list bu McGraw Hill has published : "Internet Open Trading Protocol" by David Burdett, Donald E. Eastlake III, & Marcus Goncalves. ISBN 0-07-135501-4. Thanks, Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. 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This draft is a work item of the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement Author(s) : D. Eastlake 3rd, C. Smith Filename : draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Pages : 9 Date : 01-Jun-00 Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP [RFC 2801]) messages will be carried as XML documents. As such, the goal of mapping to the transport layer is to ensure that the underlying XML documents are carried successfully between the various parties. This documents describes that mapping for the Hyper Text Transport Protocol (HTTP), Versions 1.0 and 1.1. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --Boundary_(ID_SqQvgRp/2wKIgpAzHcjHAA) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vQNeZ8wsZ5bPGOluZUd96w)" --Boundary_(ID_vQNeZ8wsZ5bPGOluZUd96w) Content-type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000601103551.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt --Boundary_(ID_vQNeZ8wsZ5bPGOluZUd96w) Content-type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000601103551.I-D@ietf.org> --Boundary_(ID_vQNeZ8wsZ5bPGOluZUd96w)-- --Boundary_(ID_SqQvgRp/2wKIgpAzHcjHAA)-- Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVI00801WFRXS@eListX.com>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 06:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVI00801WFPXR@eListX.com> (original mail from nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us) ; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVI00803WFNXN@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVI00801WFMXM@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FVI002EYWFL3L@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27473; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 06:42:39 -0400 From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Sender: nsyracus@cnri.reston.va.us To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-id: <200006021042.GAA27473@ietf.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tTOb4/We8DStNzeQLeO8PQ)" List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , --Boundary_(ID_tTOb4/We8DStNzeQLeO8PQ) A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP) HTTP Supplement Author(s) : D. Eastlake 3rd, C. Smith Filename : draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Pages : 9 Date : 01-Jun-00 Internet Open Trading Protocol (IOTP [RFC 2801]) messages will be carried as XML documents. As such, the goal of mapping to the transport layer is to ensure that the underlying XML documents are carried successfully between the various parties. This documents describes that mapping for the Hyper Text Transport Protocol (HTTP), Versions 1.0 and 1.1. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --Boundary_(ID_tTOb4/We8DStNzeQLeO8PQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_OIYL+NNOA5UHfdgPIdT/TQ)" --Boundary_(ID_OIYL+NNOA5UHfdgPIdT/TQ) Content-type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000601103551.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt --Boundary_(ID_OIYL+NNOA5UHfdgPIdT/TQ) Content-type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http-06.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000601103551.I-D@ietf.org> --Boundary_(ID_OIYL+NNOA5UHfdgPIdT/TQ)-- --Boundary_(ID_tTOb4/We8DStNzeQLeO8PQ)-- Return-Path: Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVH00301HKR2P@eListX.com>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVH00301HKQ2O@eListX.com> (original mail from paf@swip.net); Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ELISTS-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVH00303HKQ2M@eListX.com> for ietf-trade-1104-outbound@reprocess.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) id <0FVH00301HKP2L@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elists.eListX.com (ORCPT rfc822;ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com); Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nix.swip.net (nix.swip.net [192.71.220.2]) by eListX.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #43584) with ESMTP id <0FVH00MK7HKOVQ@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.124.95] (workstation1.swip.net [130.244.254.1]) by nix.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23738; Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:23:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:21:19 +0200 From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Subject: draft-ioag-base-00.txt X-Sender: paf@nix.swip.net To: Donald Eastlake 3rd Cc: iesg , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Help: , Would TRADE please take a peek at this and advise the IESG if it is reasonable? Patrik Area Director, Applications Area