Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HOI00H04PO2NA@eListX.com> (original mail from Donald.Eastlake@motorola.com); Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HOI00H01PO0N8@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HOI00H01PO0MY@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:40:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from motgate7.mot.com (motgate7.mot.com [129.188.136.7]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HOI00G8SPNX8P@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from az33exr01.mot.com (az33exr01.mot.com [10.64.251.231]) by motgate7.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate7) with ESMTP id hAHMcf1D027444 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:38:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com (ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com [10.14.33.5]) by az33exr01.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr01) with ESMTP id hAHMceDX017019 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:38:41 -0600 Received: by ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) id ; Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:39:45 -0500 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:39:41 -0500 From: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 Subject: Draft IETF TRADE Minutes from Minneapolis To: "'ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com'" Message-id: <62173B970AE0A044AED8723C3BCF2381037F321B@ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) Content-type: text/plain List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: TRADE WG Minutes, IETF 58 Minneapolis Donald E. Eastlake 3rd Attendance at the meeting was very poor. In the end, there were six names on the blue sheets. All of the slides were not gone through. Instead there was primarily a discussion of the following issues: -- Should the draft-ietf-trade-srv-higher-services-01.txt and draft-ietf-trade-iotp-http2-00.txt be changed to use S-NAPTR as described in draft-daigle-napstr-03.txt instead of SRV? This avoids the problem of an explosion in the number of names to look up for a service available over multiple transports. On the other hand, it could conceivably be a problem if enough different services used that technique at a single FQDN. The consensus of the room was to change to using S-NAPTR. -- In light of the very low activity on the TRADE WG Mailing List and very low attendance at the WG meeting at this and the previous IETF Meeting, should the working group be dissolved sooner rather than later and these last two drafts be processed as personal submissions rather than WG documents? This is primarily for the Ned Freed, the area director for TRADE, to decide in consultation with the chair. Attendees: Donald Eastlake (TRADE WG chair), Ted Hardie (Applications co-AD), Leslie Daigle (IAB member), Andrew Newton, Mike Ko, Scott Bradner (IAB member). 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This draft is a work item of the Internet Open Trading Protocol Working Group of the IETF. Title : DNS SRV Location of Higher Level Services Author(s) : D. Eastlake Filename : draft-ietf-trade-srv-higher-services-01.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2003-11-5 DNS naming conventions specified in RFC 2782 are extended to higher level services and a registry created for the tokens used. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-srv-higher-services-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-trade-srv-higher-services-01.txt". 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Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --Boundary_(ID_rZof3dbenpQult+J88/WGg) Content-type: text/plain Attached is the updated SRV RR for higher services draft. As I mentioned, this was sent in in time and should still get posted. Thanks, Donald PS: The attachement is really a text file. If your software is bothered by it not having a ".txt" extension, just save it and rename it. ====================================================================== Donald E. 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List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: The Agenda for the 58th IETF meeting in Minneapolis next week is final now and the TRADE WG meeting is 1545 to 1645 Tuesday afternoon, November 11th. While it is still Possible that would change, it is very unlikely. An updated version of the draft-ietf-trade-srv-higher-services draft was submitted in time but was apparently one of a handful of drafts out of the 900 or so processed that was overlooked. It should still get posted before the meeting. In the mean time I'll send out a copy to the list. If you have suggestions for changes to the agenda, please get back to me immediately if you want them to have a chance of getting into the published agenda. (Changes can always be made at the meeting.) Thanks, Donald TRADE WG Draft Agenda, Minneapolis IETF Meeting TUESDAY, November 11, 2003 15:45 Agenda Bashing 15:50 Documents Status IOTP Update, RFC 3538 draft-ietf-trade-iotp-v1.0-papi-05.txt ECML Update draft-ietf-trade-ecml2-spec-08.txt Voucher Update draft-ietf-trade-voucher-lang-05.txt draft-ietf-trade-voucher-vtsapi-05.txt 16:00 IOTP use of DNS SRV RR draft-ietf-treade-http2-00.txt draft-ietf-trade-srv-higher-services-00.txt 16:25 IOTP v2, the search for authors RFC 3354 16:35 Future Actions/Meetings ======================================================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd, Motorola Laboratories, 111 Locke Drive, Marlboro, MA 01752 USA Donald.Eastlake@Motorola.com 1-508-786-7554 Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HNT007043E73W@eListX.com> (original mail from dee3@torque.pothole.com) ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HNT007013E63T@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HNT007013E63S@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from zydeco.netbusters.com (zydeco.netbusters.com [66.92.86.178]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HNT004CA3E45F@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by zydeco.netbusters.com (Postfix, from userid 513) id 0F91BB63DF; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zydeco.netbusters.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5687EC1F for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:38:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:38:55 -0500 (EST) From: Donald Eastlake 3rd Subject: Last Call: 'XML Voucher: Generic Voucher Language' to Proposed Standard (fwd) X-X-Sender: dee3@zydeco.netbusters.com To: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:27:19 -0500 From: The IESG Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: Last Call: 'XML Voucher: Generic Voucher Language' to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the Internet Open Trading Protocol WG t consider the following document: - 'XML Voucher: Generic Voucher Language ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2003-12-01. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-voucher-lang-05.txt Return-Path: Received: from ELIST-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HNT007043DO3G@eListX.com> (original mail from dee3@torque.pothole.com) ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HNT007013DO3E@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from DIRECTORY-DAEMON.eListX.com by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) id <0HNT007013DO3D@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@elist.lists.elistx.com (ORCPT ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from zydeco.netbusters.com (zydeco.netbusters.com [66.92.86.178]) by eListX.com (PMDF V6.0-025 #44856) with ESMTP id <0HNT004C73DN5F@eListX.com> for ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by zydeco.netbusters.com (Postfix, from userid 513) id E466DB63DF; Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:38:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zydeco.netbusters.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34757EC1F for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:38:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 21:38:37 -0500 (EST) From: Donald Eastlake 3rd Subject: Last Call: 'Electronic Commerce Modeling Language (ECML):Version 2 Specification' to Proposed Standard (fwd) X-X-Sender: dee3@zydeco.netbusters.com To: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: , List-Id: I still don't know why these messages are not getting through to the list... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 11:35:35 -0500 From: The IESG Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: Last Call: 'Electronic Commerce Modeling Language (ECML):Version 2 Specification' to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the Internet Open Trading Protocol WG t consider the following document: - 'Electronic Commerce Modeling Language (ECML):Version 2 Specification ' as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2003-12-01. The file can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-trade-ecml2-spec-08.txt