From nobody Wed Jun 15 12:32:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB11A12D74F; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:32:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.22.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160615193229.26225.84457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:32:29 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: tram@ietf.org Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:32:30 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. Title : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin Gonzalo Salgueiro Jonathan Rosenberg Dan Wing Rohan Mahy Philip Matthews Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08.txt Pages : 64 Date : 2016-06-15 Abstract: Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) is a protocol that serves as a tool for other protocols in dealing with Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal. It can be used by an endpoint to determine the IP address and port allocated to it by a NAT. It can also be used to check connectivity between two endpoints, and as a keep-alive protocol to maintain NAT bindings. STUN works with many existing NATs, and does not require any special behavior from them. STUN is not a NAT traversal solution by itself. Rather, it is a tool to be used in the context of a NAT traversal solution. This document obsoletes RFC 5389. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jun 15 12:40:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B70012DB55 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:40:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.236 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.236 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tVdN2MAQcV2r for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implementers.org (implementers.org [IPv6:2604:3400:dc1:41:216:3eff:fe5b:8240]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C94812DB4F for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2602:ae:176e:3700:587f:121e:e31:c16b] (unknown [IPv6:2602:ae:176e:3700:587f:121e:e31:c16b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Marc Petit-Huguenin", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 069AE2002E for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 21:40:05 +0200 (CEST) References: <20160615193229.26225.84457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: tram@ietf.org From: Marc Petit-Huguenin Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:39:57 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160615193229.26225.84457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nF9Cxaw7wlA7UT63W70okMicBsUsMGiJH" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:40:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --nF9Cxaw7wlA7UT63W70okMicBsUsMGiJH Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="P4WsnGqN0gMQ2eApjCrhsJeFlJVC0B13t" From: Marc Petit-Huguenin To: tram@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08.txt References: <20160615193229.26225.84457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20160615193229.26225.84457.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> --P4WsnGqN0gMQ2eApjCrhsJeFlJVC0B13t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Changelog: * Updated list of changes since RFC 5389. * More examples are automatically generated. * Message integrity truncation is fixed at a multiple of 4 bytes, because= the padding will not decrease by more than this. * USERHASH contains the 32 bytes of the hash, not a character string. * Updated the example to use the USERHASH attribute and the modified NONC= E attribute. * Updated ICEbis reference. We still need a cryptographic review of the new HMAC truncation proposal.= We welcome comments and reviews in advance of a WGLC. On 06/15/2016 01:32 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IET= F. >=20 > Title : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) > Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin > Gonzalo Salgueiro > Jonathan Rosenberg > Dan Wing > Rohan Mahy > Philip Matthews > Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08.txt > Pages : 64 > Date : 2016-06-15 >=20 > Abstract: > Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) is a protocol that serves= > as a tool for other protocols in dealing with Network Address > Translator (NAT) traversal. It can be used by an endpoint to > determine the IP address and port allocated to it by a NAT. It can > also be used to check connectivity between two endpoints, and as a > keep-alive protocol to maintain NAT bindings. STUN works with many > existing NATs, and does not require any special behavior from them. >=20 > STUN is not a NAT traversal solution by itself. Rather, it is a too= l > to be used in the context of a NAT traversal solution. >=20 > This document obsoletes RFC 5389. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-tram-stunbis-08 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram >=20 --=20 Marc Petit-Huguenin Email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Blog: http://blog.marc.petit-huguenin.org Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/petithug --P4WsnGqN0gMQ2eApjCrhsJeFlJVC0B13t-- --nF9Cxaw7wlA7UT63W70okMicBsUsMGiJH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXYa8SAAoJECnERZXWan7Eak8P/0WpCDLIZ0SeNY2tPkIh+7Lr RZwNEdm9ukdtKJOGTSkWDEPnyWsq2yNeTzubniXqiIDajsNH0zkBHF6Y2RoIYlv2 H1kwjP+5mSQfVMrPC3xJ3hpoMkYky1/6OPbqwMEt/JEHDBG6YNsVKYlqlv9fu8nJ Wj1j7NBkUK7kkDUOd0pPy6Gb0eMvOzceYWB+2B3MfewLY+EkZGsi1g9tjZGyDRqk hJWzkbppKHMmd5m0oyGJZGm8nYzq/3B4iJWs62WcSRW9v/XHpc4SXgxGStQ3mHno +D4qM8IGat0RsbhjihTnT204sUou8+kZHi0jSOb+78rK335xOyJHJCv2lNziKN3T 8MyuIs/6NtZVY6dDS3hkjme/kq6HHx62aCidA/NsKdgE2LZRaftuB4xI2J+ozFP2 IG60EDVN0yAw7EYYYXQzdKZx2bt8+wxgfHTBPODwgsiMW/hH0oaw1BIzmXodANiw wjQltictoSRPJCnmxlWxYnYCcpnrtrMO+1AWMXId+YMEzxHlM2Z99u16/YkruPVb poKuDJy2DOH5D1X1ky+ueZDUcHEBG6FKSxsz8GDxFmJqMj9yzVPgh26MvG6miX/n GAgGlTGfELlGlGX7mSh8HnAAWdjLAeA6YraYNv/m4UnNYPQpnp7O0ZbeqxRPvWx3 4JvdCRcukMVuDQqzQZH4 =UCMJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nF9Cxaw7wlA7UT63W70okMicBsUsMGiJH-- From nobody Thu Jun 16 05:52:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81D812D594; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 05:52:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.22.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160616125227.10400.87765.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 05:52:27 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: tram@ietf.org Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-measurement-rtt-loss-00.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:52:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. Title : Measurement of Round Trip Time and Fractional Loss Using STUN Authors : Paal-Erik Martinsen Tirumaleswar Reddy Dan Wing Varun Singh Filename : draft-ietf-tram-measurement-rtt-loss-00.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2016-06-16 Abstract: A host with multiple interfaces needs to choose the best interface for communication. Oftentimes, this decision is based on a static configuration and does not consider the path characteristics, which may affect the user experience. This document describes a mechanism for an endpoint to measure the path characteristics fractional loss and RTT using Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) messages. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-measurement-rtt-loss/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-measurement-rtt-loss-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB22112D1A9; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:32:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.23.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160620153226.30110.26135.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:32:26 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: tram@ietf.org Subject: [tram] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-tram-stun-path-data-04.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 15:32:27 -0000 --NextPart A new Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized Working Group of the IETF. Title : Measurement of Round Trip Time and Fractional Loss Using STUN Author(s) : T. Reddy, et al Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stun-path-data Pages : 9 Date : 2016-06-20 A host with multiple interfaces needs to choose the best interface for communication. Oftentimes, this decision is based on a static configuration and does not consider the path characteristics, which may affect the user experience. This document describes a mechanism for an endpoint to measure the path characteristics fractional loss and RTT using Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) messages. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-tram-stun-path-data-04.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-tram-stun-path-data"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2016-06-20083226.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From nobody Fri Jun 24 09:07:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4042312DD24; Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:00:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.24.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160624160057.10933.56027.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 09:00:57 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: tram@ietf.org, spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com Subject: [tram] tram - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 96 X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:00:57 -0000 Dear Simon Perreault, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. tram Session 1 (1:00:00) Monday, Afternoon Session III 1800-2000 Room Name: Tiergarten size: 110 --------------------------------------------- Special Note: 18:00-19:00 Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: TURN Revised and Modernized Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Simon Perreault Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: payload rtcweb avtext avtcore ice mmusic dispatch sipcore perc Second Priority: rmcat httpbis clue xrblock tls Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jun 28 06:20:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50EA12B054; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 06:20:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TrMgxFX-4MnU; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDA6112DBF6; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 06:19:48 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-f79486d0000069d0-25-577275edbd1e Received: from ESESSHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.30]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id EA.22.27088.DE572775; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:04:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.294.0; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:04:44 +0200 To: IETF AVTCore WG , "tram@ietf.org" , , "tls@ietf.org" , "mmusic (E-mail)" , "draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes@ietf.org" From: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:04:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrJLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7nO7b0qJwg/55ghYve1ayWxz4OJXZ 4tuFWoupyx+zWHw638Vo8WHtBTYHNo8lS34yBTBGcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGXMWPSEreA4V8Wt 3dINjKc5uhg5OSQETCSOtX1gh7DFJC7cW8/WxcjFISRwhFHi2LFGVghnOaPEh197GEEcEYF/ jBIfN95kAWlhE7CQuPmjkQ3EFhZwlTj89jojiM0rYC/RvnILmM0ioCqxfspVsBWiAjESjbcP s0PUCEqcnPkEaA4HBzNQ/YOtZSBhZgF5ieats5lBbCEBbYmGpg7WCYx8s5B0zELomIWkYwEj 8ypG0eLU4qTcdCMjvdSizOTi4vw8vbzUkk2MwAA8uOW3wQ7Gl88dDzEKcDAq8fA+WFgYLsSa WFZcmXuIUYKDWUmEd2NxUbgQb0piZVVqUX58UWlOavEhRmkOFiVxXv+XiuFCAumJJanZqakF qUUwWSYOTqkGxjXpU/u8j22docrEXHgla4/f1bANt81yhb2iAr4rZbps3Pb4qMmluVEKUtPt Wc64OO+60LN8zfPGiV6Hfh/bVfZdUfDp1+A/fI6Tjf53zpKpnutiuWIeozgz/0/NoNVTI4Me uT1OCGx+GndKWJdhygfH7/NF+R4539xhu96P2+tx37/auXGLViixFGckGmoxFxUnAgCr17fD PAIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: [tram] Confirmation call on draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-09 X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:20:09 -0000 WGs, I as WG chair earlier made a mistake in failing to include the relevant WGs in our previous WG last call. Thus I would like to make a one week confirmation call on the content of draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-09 prior to publication request. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes/ TRAM WG: Please check that you are okay with the restrictions and updates to the TURN channel allocations as well as STUN Method restrictions. TLS WG: I believe you are satisfied with the impact on the TLS IANA registry after previous discussions, but you are welcome to confirm this. ICE: For your information as this impacts protocol mechanism your are dependent on. MMUSIC: For your information due to some notes in regards to BUNDLE and RFC7345. Please provide any feedback by 5th of July. cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jun 28 07:35:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B912D1A6; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 07:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IC2OEfy-XCii; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 07:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg22.ericsson.net (sessmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01E4D12D1B9; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 07:35:08 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3a-f79386d00000467b-73-57728b1a87e4 Received: from ESESSHC005.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.33]) by sessmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E9.6B.18043.A1B82775; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:35:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.35) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.294.0; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:35:06 +0200 To: IETF AVTCore WG , "tram@ietf.org" , , "tls@ietf.org" , "mmusic (E-mail)" , "draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes@ietf.org" References: From: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: <10a73efe-2e50-77ed-e78f-298d388efb47@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 16:35:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7oq5Ud1G4waPthhYve1ayWxz4OJXZ 4tuFWoupyx+zWHw638Vo8WHtBTYHNo8lS34yBTBGcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGVsWbuTveCdRMWK td2MDYwPhLsYOTkkBEwkPszYzgphi0lcuLeeDcQWEjjCKPFpXX0XIxeQvZxR4s3VtcxdjBwc wgIhEsf3J4HERQT+MUp83HiTBaLBXuLXzkZmEJtNwELi5o9GsEG8QPETb74zgvSyCKhK3Pge CxIWFYiRaLx9mB2iRFDi5MwnYGM4BRwkjv/cwAJSzgzU+mBrGUiYWUBeonnrbGaITdoSDU0d rBMYBWYh6Z6F0DELSccCRuZVjKLFqcXFuelGRnqpRZnJxcX5eXp5qSWbGIHBenDLb6sdjAef Ox5iFOBgVOLhfbCwMFyINbGsuDL3EKMEB7OSCK9nV1G4EG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrxIUZpDhYl cV7/l4rhQgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkmDk6pBsYIVu65q/fbrOl8Y5aWzliVlNs27diE1suTYqw5 n0zP+im5f/U6tSjjCPZzWrNSDLYF9R32nda0ojqsYNvfCbN5VxQd31Gqlm7WYG948ZHo2Udz X4gcVwpbn+A7u+Lk829sTheLGT7ZRgTn6qUxfVrtEsq9um6Ly13Vd49EpxtmOXi5HGqY7q/E UpyRaKjFXFScCADk8d++UgIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] [MMUSIC] Confirmation call on draft-ietf-avtcore-rfc5764-mux-fixes-09 X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 14:35:12 -0000 Authors and WGs, In my review for the publication writeup I did spot some issues in the draft. Please consider the following issues: 1. Abstract: With the addition of the ZRTP the abstract should benefit from being updated. The ZRTP protocol being possible to multiplex is missing as well as that there are now 4 issues. 2. Abstract contains [ref] to RFC 5764. This is an ID nit. 3. Section 1. The introduction is not explicitly saying that it updates RFC 5764. I think that can be put as a sentence after: This is achieved by modifying the IANA registries with instructions for coordination between the protocols at risk. 4. Reference ID-nits: == Outdated reference: A later version (-31) exists of draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-bundle-negotiation-23 5. Section 2: ID-nits complains about the modified boilerplate for the RFC2119 text. First of all one usually don't cut down the list to only the used ones. The requirement on all caps ones I am very divided about. I do have a preference for unmodified boilerplate, this as I otherwise have to explain in the write-up the ID-nit. 6. Section 6: In order to prevent future documents from assigning values from the unused range to a new protocol, this document modifies the RFC 5764 demultiplexing algorithm to properly account for TURN channels by allocating the values from 64 to 79 for this purpose. I think this text fails to be explicit about that this restricts the TURN Channel space to a more limited set of possible channels when the TURN client does the channel binding request. Thus affecting the TURN channel allocation algorithm in the client implementations, at least when used in combination of muxing. Based on this and the fact that this specification changes the IANA registrations performed by RFC5766, I think this document to have "Updates" for RFC5766 also. So please add that in header, abstract and introduction. 7. Updates RFC5389: Looking at the impact also on the STUN protocol I would also think that this requires and "Updates" also for RFC 5389. 8. Section 10.3: The IANA registry name is not the correct one. The IANA page says that the registry name is: Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN) Channel Numbers http://www.iana.org/assignments/stun-parameters/stun-parameters.xhtml#turn-channel Please update. 9. Section 12.2: The reference to ZRTP [RFC6189] is likely in the wrong category, at the same time moving this to a normative one creates a downref. I guess it one that has to be accepted in this case. I suggest that you move it to the normative references. Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------