From nobody Fri Mar 3 16:01:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4149E129A50; Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:55:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.46.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148858533626.15846.15379226250241722564.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 15:55:36 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: tram@ietf.org, spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com Subject: [tram] tram - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 98 X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 23:55:36 -0000 Dear Simon Perreault, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. tram Session 1 (1:30:00) Tuesday, Afternoon Session II 1450-1620 Room Name: Montreux 3 size: 80 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: TURN Revised and Modernized Area Name: Transport Area Session Requester: Simon Perreault Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: avtcore avtext rtcweb mmusic dispatch ice modern perc sipbrandy sipcore stir Second Priority: payload codec netvc People who must be present: Gonzalo Camarillo Spencer Dawkins Simon Perreault Resources Requested: Meetecho support in room Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Mar 13 14:45:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C19D127058; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:45:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148944151110.20429.6574422012750665799@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:45:11 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: tram@ietf.org Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:45:11 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. Title : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin Gonzalo Salgueiro Jonathan Rosenberg Dan Wing Rohan Mahy Philip Matthews Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11.txt Pages : 66 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) is a protocol that serves as a tool for other protocols in dealing with Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal. It can be used by an endpoint to determine the IP address and port allocated to it by a NAT. It can also be used to check connectivity between two endpoints, and as a keep-alive protocol to maintain NAT bindings. STUN works with many existing NATs, and does not require any special behavior from them. STUN is not a NAT traversal solution by itself. Rather, it is a tool to be used in the context of a NAT traversal solution. This document obsoletes RFC 5389. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 13 14:47:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAD7129B9D for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:47:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.291 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.291 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL=0.732, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wG6TniJ7o2ot for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implementers.org (unknown [92.243.22.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90B52129477 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:648:8301:730f:cca5:d340:c44b:ae82] (unknown [IPv6:2601:648:8301:730f:cca5:d340:c44b:ae82]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Marc Petit-Huguenin", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABD95AE83F for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 22:47:13 +0100 (CET) References: <148944151110.20429.6574422012750665799@ietfa.amsl.com> To: tram@ietf.org From: Marc Petit-Huguenin Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:47:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <148944151110.20429.6574422012750665799@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b0Wi0dB58nLH2ieAwjRqiasKV2q2UEr2N" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." 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On 03/13/2017 02:45 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IET= F. >=20 > Title : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) > Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin > Gonzalo Salgueiro > Jonathan Rosenberg > Dan Wing > Rohan Mahy > Philip Matthews > Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11.txt > Pages : 66 > Date : 2017-03-13 >=20 > Abstract: > Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) is a protocol that serves= > as a tool for other protocols in dealing with Network Address > Translator (NAT) traversal. It can be used by an endpoint to > determine the IP address and port allocated to it by a NAT. It can > also be used to check connectivity between two endpoints, and as a > keep-alive protocol to maintain NAT bindings. STUN works with many > existing NATs, and does not require any special behavior from them. >=20 > STUN is not a NAT traversal solution by itself. Rather, it is a too= l > to be used in the context of a NAT traversal solution. >=20 > This document obsoletes RFC 5389. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-tram-stunbis-11 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram >=20 --=20 Marc Petit-Huguenin Email: marc@petit-huguenin.org Blog: https://marc.petit-huguenin.org Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petithug --S6m75inw0hkMGQP7CFd7goDfOMg0pLRt6-- --b0Wi0dB58nLH2ieAwjRqiasKV2q2UEr2N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEBSI+IuCHU8MsI1GjKcRFldZqfsQFAljHE2AACgkQKcRFldZq fsQLJw//dJRPFyI3Ud6JXFdFlzGn/aaE9096KDXz9LbT2xIP3IAvjwShky+Tdadj LQtzdTnl+vkEfNoSTSFpJfhaqqXSt1HDWEazPvk990pue84eO4QgxxxepoUocqNV 7xE8uwTN5eZXR8iXxWFoSO1bfnVUiPlVO8Cpcr7vOAjg1Z7DeAEW8NgFkIelb99V BR7r6j395pCRrNRzwjMOvjCF/HKVfDUIweocCAUFjeCKQ0Vd0dNGbvNE1lX8RT4b vQ3neuikzgf9AgL/AdGO8DC+mQtI0LTx9ZkBxmLs9efdzMTLnw/37O9idBm0M07V /KDNDUTG434qBEkx5RWB8BHT5G9CsM7EUCT+yiE4uhcygljqahWx/LeU53FwC1Kv QHQP39WPhFXR8MQ6izlBUT+P5Lx4uIBFbEs5qhyn/BPunwLJsN5JwUQZKwP+CImy 2zOf2day5ArQmeTr6g94bnw9mVz8AYsa/GWV3654g5Wz2EKbihabxksNAdLWlbzy V/4xZaqOE4MZm9iXnuZr33kcGiDomCMRmAK5A1/nbHLdwG0mOKTHo3WtcjtF3H+T JL3k4nyJkXyM4UG279JTvVdOY0jzq1XYt7FxC8bcn9iDDs5yCYVSQ0eHFtzcNjZb iODp2tJT9ofQc3i4jqO6efiRK47tL11cbWmPoSl/PXMJx8ULmN0= =vibU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b0Wi0dB58nLH2ieAwjRqiasKV2q2UEr2N-- From nobody Tue Mar 28 16:03:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A84412708C for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=jive.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5wR1uLwhzSxG for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x231.google.com (mail-it0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E28E129479 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x231.google.com with SMTP id y18so38823048itc.1 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:03:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jive.com; s=google; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=i1yqTZwBIKGujtU7o2O3F4wdQPcMbTL/oIvZ2czys3g=; b=NZcKBnL+4K+WxaDDIVGPBL6XC+l1PBRkF6+kVTlVwquv54BZB95QMF7aAF0L+2SM4X I+3cfCE/+zF5Uan8VrsWsmOTS9g+TCqoa07PyyYHbZjWLAYQXGz6NDchivuZHcZOGRmM NBKEAbnkfVdMZjsMNLASFNR0x/IEsEkXv1iNTWp/aJ4LDWUi/umgKPIKrLVZ9UGOUzq5 i03is6902vca0NLpHvVK7+wPKq0hlpB2Ub0rIu83awuX5DGrm9jbZEzEYoDI+QVDXEEm CuASwUX00uWdMcKT/p34AMCYPOSm8KpYZacgdo3VVtQdIZHigZP6Apzzup6P7NXbncsW fdjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=i1yqTZwBIKGujtU7o2O3F4wdQPcMbTL/oIvZ2czys3g=; b=BtVHsgeStZwgbOi0IE0C2JTVosm+u5XgeUK4ESjVKnyxZTmDdRFnHjKLYEhzlrwGyv arFqdW5TZ9ii0T4PzrktWH59yQgAprwsccrIYBzp5i6x8gepgmxLl5UNoUlP22wstAtR 8ZY9q1du8nDsz2ggjZRmcgBMyWS0RrKZRhzi6IYvmkYoKT4rnzjxnX5AZZozO+gQWKm7 4fNy9U/vCzg2Y2E3JV/DStObkADjhlx7NNIa1q9AnS4PI4FN1PnM9vC/rGDbD+qL0vTv LNWFlF1vIya/NvDVRZ2K0lw8zh32Ud9n42EVKmRTr+riCQxsgUl3vCH+34Q119ZPRMFN rw6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3i8IhzL+rJnYspcXn3S0BG7s3LWwrMkBq6tztVe8/WZRJMyVgBy3CpQ9Z1fvwBL0vnfyb3Jp2WaqEgjlP4DoX4SKEF3WOIV76VDQySxlvOSmSJhd45FbXYXoCfRrclIF2LZb9SNAsBV8BqHihZa6AUlfGs99fdKGYdhm8= X-Received: by 10.36.12.197 with SMTP id 188mr17623496itn.51.1490742212467; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 16:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-8f83.meeting.ietf.org (t2001067c03700128f1057a4238608e92.v6.meeting.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:03:37 -0000 ...have been posted here: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-98-tram-00 -- Simon Perreault Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc. https://jive.com | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 | sperreault@jive.com From nobody Tue Mar 28 21:04:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCFC12955E for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1LQ9gdcTP6Vk for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00198e01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00198e01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E50F129636 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 21:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0073109.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-00198e01.pphosted.com (8.16.0.20/8.16.0.20) with SMTP id v2T3tkuf013936 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:04:11 -0400 Received: from mail.vidyo.com ([162.209.16.214]) by mx0a-00198e01.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 29dhnkaf41-1 (version=TLSv1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:04:10 -0400 Received: from 492132-EXCH1.vidyo.com ([fe80::50:56ff:fe85:4f77]) by 492133-EXCH2.vidyo.com ([fe80::50:56ff:fe85:6b62%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:04:09 -0500 From: Jonathan Lennox To: "tram@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Happy Turnballs Thread-Index: AQHSqEGEXZGdNc4iZES8BGujtDsYBg== Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 04:04:09 +0000 Message-ID: <28057480-A193-4B8F-9953-78A21949483C@vidyo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [31.133.149.69] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-03-28_21:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1702020001 definitions=main-1703290032 Archived-At: Subject: [tram] Happy Turnballs X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:31:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. Title : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin Gonzalo Salgueiro Jonathan Rosenberg Dan Wing Rohan Mahy Philip Matthews Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12.txt Pages : 67 Date : 2017-03-31 Abstract: Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) is a protocol that serves as a tool for other protocols in dealing with Network Address Translator (NAT) traversal. It can be used by an endpoint to determine the IP address and port allocated to it by a NAT. It can also be used to check connectivity between two endpoints, and as a keep-alive protocol to maintain NAT bindings. STUN works with many existing NATs, and does not require any special behavior from them. STUN is not a NAT traversal solution by itself. Rather, it is a tool to be used in the context of a NAT traversal solution. This document obsoletes RFC 5389. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Mar 31 02:39:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428021286AB for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 02:39:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fLBd45acFNGU for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 02:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implementers.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4b98:dc0:45:216:3eff:fe7f:7abd]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12F15127058 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 02:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:38f0:26a6:27af:c2fa] (unknown [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:38f0:26a6:27af:c2fa]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Marc Petit-Huguenin", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19B7AAE83F for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:39:25 +0200 (CEST) References: <149095267412.8888.13217087635800158512@ietfa.amsl.com> To: tram@ietf.org From: Marc Petit-Huguenin Message-ID: <0b00fbc8-51f2-98a2-5a08-57f5a7a1b801@acm.org> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 04:40:16 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149095267412.8888.13217087635800158512@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QLpLbL1UMWjTINOGtKHCDudbN6o21DvuN" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:39:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QLpLbL1UMWjTINOGtKHCDudbN6o21DvuN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="cxmthx5j36CQ4RPd1CaOMWgcTAKgFxLfl"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marc Petit-Huguenin To: tram@ietf.org Message-ID: <0b00fbc8-51f2-98a2-5a08-57f5a7a1b801@acm.org> Subject: Re: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12.txt References: <149095267412.8888.13217087635800158512@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149095267412.8888.13217087635800158512@ietfa.amsl.com> --cxmthx5j36CQ4RPd1CaOMWgcTAKgFxLfl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We do not have any pending item in our TODO list, and we think that this = draft is ready for the next step of the publication. Thanks. Changelog: * Clarifies the procedure to define a new hash algorithm for message-inte= grity. * Explain the procedure to deprecate SHA1 as message-integrity. * Added procedure for Happy Eyeballs (RFC 6555). * Added verification that Happy Eyeballs works in the STUN Usage checklis= t. * Add reference to Base64 RFC. * Changed co-author affiliation. On 03/31/2017 04:31 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IET= F. >=20 > Title : Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) > Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin > Gonzalo Salgueiro > Jonathan Rosenberg > Dan Wing > Rohan Mahy > Philip Matthews > Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12.txt > Pages : 67 > Date : 2017-03-31 >=20 > Abstract: > Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) is a protocol that serves= > as a tool for other protocols in dealing with Network Address > Translator (NAT) traversal. It can be used by an endpoint to > determine the IP address and port allocated to it by a NAT. It can > also be used to check connectivity between two endpoints, and as a > keep-alive protocol to maintain NAT bindings. STUN works with many > existing NATs, and does not require any special behavior from them. >=20 > STUN is not a NAT traversal solution by itself. Rather, it is a too= l > to be used in the context of a NAT traversal solution. >=20 > This document obsoletes RFC 5389. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram >=20 --cxmthx5j36CQ4RPd1CaOMWgcTAKgFxLfl-- --QLpLbL1UMWjTINOGtKHCDudbN6o21DvuN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEBSI+IuCHU8MsI1GjKcRFldZqfsQFAljeJAAACgkQKcRFldZq fsTy1Q//cdXeKxr7kU3bfy4HQ6G9Uy+GJmXMhaEPZ1w/vkS6yBQn2enixY+iU6SC chw2zz5KmE1hwTWOyEzkwSw+gGcbZhc57vhv/8aUNkaj5y/SSHwwIAb1rST2WVya h+BcVmQYVHQCRCSjPxpvOCvs0fFpdEgSzly3WLaSJ58ZsyFVzbnKFniHe6GohT61 HBRCLgGyZoflcngaR8+wBb53TYgrbhj41/OLCTl/G4lPRg6Twx9cMfZ76elb2MaP 8TfSNQ3OMW2JQ/c1tYdzZAX2Q07rYEde6sGtq0kdT4NLjfaytm3Fz7+BLh1WOf+s 6ygge15WLBZ8mEVXPmizdblA8+ASs1B9N/PxqoMJ3HN+3fja87ukdMgNgjhZtbxP 2rI6IR0jdRx8xGYG2g6YXRus0VhWTk8/Q5q3DMIvAODTtzu4/KTXrIsrnY9MZ5B9 2dEgIoHuY+BsLrTQNCk4uUFFJk60GKwYCyTubQVT0zCIWxD2R1AkITJEHie9t2fz pEgJXih8lRoQz0EWlVOA6ky0niSwYALDXGNWeVmhg0Dx2gjH8VGB8S2cQQ8GhF9E ntKvcfBnB6yJZ8IXchOc/2LLZ9CYqgiMhRVj0ctnAD4/oGsxhjXVg7oVfJtDw++/ fiCdN5IpLJL0qAW/HmfJ0ikP13V8kQmRp8ZNQXyx1iI52LSI3GE= =K6uR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QLpLbL1UMWjTINOGtKHCDudbN6o21DvuN-- From nobody Fri Mar 31 02:57:24 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D4C1241FC for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 02:57:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.29 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL=0.732, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CFi7G9CAmjk2 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 02:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implementers.org (unknown [92.243.22.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCBCA1270A0 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:38f0:26a6:27af:c2fa] (unknown [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:38f0:26a6:27af:c2fa]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Marc Petit-Huguenin", Issuer "implementers.org" (verified OK)) by implementers.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 203DCAE83F; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:57:20 +0200 (CEST) To: "Olle E. Johansson" , tram@ietf.org References: From: Marc Petit-Huguenin Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 04:58:08 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QUqjpk5vtjrsIa2A8q4LBUL9kF47x6kk7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] STUNBIS: Happy STUNballs X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:57:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --QUqjpk5vtjrsIa2A8q4LBUL9kF47x6kk7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="TQ5F7QxsO1mX1tqORxmVMHHwf2C8FCPHP"; protected-headers="v1" From: Marc Petit-Huguenin To: "Olle E. Johansson" , tram@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [tram] STUNBIS: Happy STUNballs References: In-Reply-To: --TQ5F7QxsO1mX1tqORxmVMHHwf2C8FCPHP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Olle, On 07/26/2016 02:11 AM, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > Hi! >=20 > STUN now supports IPv6 too (because of the ICE usage) which is a > significant change. The text in the intro needs to reflect this STUN > usage and change too. From a previous NAT discovery role it=E2=80=99s a= bout > network path discovery now. STUN is supporting IPv6 since RFC 5389, so we do not think that much chan= ged there and we left the text in the introduction as it was. >=20 > A STUN usage use DNS SRV to discover STUN servers. What happens if > the server name resolves into both A and AAAA addresses? In this > case, STUNbis needs to have some advice on how to connect. RFC 2782 > just says all IP addresses needs to be tried before moving to the > next SRV priority, but nothing about order or if we=E2=80=99re connecti= ng in > parallell or in serial mode. Serial mode would be bad in STUN due to > the timeouts. >=20 > This needs to be handled in StunBis. >=20 We updated the text to follow the advices in RFC 6555. That was done in = 3 places: - Section 8, to explain what to do after processing according to RFC 2782= and on a domain name. - Section 12, to explain what to do with the NAT Discovery Usage. - Section 13, updating the list of things that other STUN Usage should do= , in that case explain what to do with IPv6 and IPv4 addresses. We'll leave it to icebis and turnbis to do the same for their respective = STUN Usages. Thanks. --TQ5F7QxsO1mX1tqORxmVMHHwf2C8FCPHP-- --QUqjpk5vtjrsIa2A8q4LBUL9kF47x6kk7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEBSI+IuCHU8MsI1GjKcRFldZqfsQFAljeKDAACgkQKcRFldZq fsQfyBAAuEBrKlkR7HT7sv6wvEcY4BnT+G1/Knn96IiqjYbVr01KzrrHAStQvfEs YZOCFE9cyXQYEIA29f/tDJtPHMyB2ZjXwn1IqBHWxwl+uaDQYJKh1nxWvbpNDLdp KxstcBIk+y0ZdBPG0rBjr/hDzwX5RtCc0QeuyrCT3rDowncf/69+s8MGsL69YT9F PODBEeMvMrle5TNz4oQdRwJcoCtLiyID7BFI2BzuO1XyepPBovyKaWn5XtuVx+vL L22VRW2AfwUaup+ea6AdkgpXEiQXfKBWYm74uoNXpV50fCCk12YSmn4mI2AwFCEj ZQtVHBaP5UpfOk1um2kNKoCpDBDtcIjNbm9vznRlGyeYJQBY6Mfij+qB7ckB4TBu 29NzHwAfFCmo+lFrWRTyZNj1+qVdv/tww9MjElJqW6Sp3clABzGOKREq9vokj+ZP eHHhZLWY4ozAhUIVxfusE6+xRJFvlKrXmxNtTHEzvC/VSNaIpkWr2DyuBGP17OgM 0NJeECxaxuXRPiRSBJ2jIdgua6wH8wYp0o7lRkoTLqwaCdNhEHk2fzbJ124biM1G YYlH0d1rVh7Ut1nZjsLHQ3iFLjPPLKQUDrYlhfQYj/Bx+UepgROFNxLF/Hrjo6R4 8Z7GEvdciJ2XpcONI44tA5hd5HBD5bxxH20yelmN9gc3A/Dm7JE= =yFXJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QUqjpk5vtjrsIa2A8q4LBUL9kF47x6kk7-- From nobody Fri Mar 31 03:12:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635221286AB for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 03:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QOVGzy1y6xet for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 03:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [212.3.14.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 435771293D8 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 03:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.8] (h87-96-134-129.cust.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FA513000; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:12:18 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B82D812B-4EE7-457A-9949-DB9FD32B92A4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:12:17 +0200 Cc: Olle E Johansson , tram@ietf.org Message-Id: <23A576F1-A8B1-4520-96FC-D26955A0DDA2@edvina.net> References: To: Marc Petit-Huguenin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] STUNBIS: Happy STUNballs X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:12:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B82D812B-4EE7-457A-9949-DB9FD32B92A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On 31 Mar 2017, at 11:58, Marc Petit-Huguenin = wrote: >=20 > Hi Olle, >=20 > On 07/26/2016 02:11 AM, Olle E. Johansson wrote: >> Hi! >>=20 >> STUN now supports IPv6 too (because of the ICE usage) which is a >> significant change. The text in the intro needs to reflect this STUN >> usage and change too. =46rom a previous NAT discovery role it=E2=80=99s= about >> network path discovery now. >=20 > STUN is supporting IPv6 since RFC 5389, so we do not think that much = changed there and we left the text in the introduction as it was. >=20 >>=20 >> A STUN usage use DNS SRV to discover STUN servers. What happens if >> the server name resolves into both A and AAAA addresses? In this >> case, STUNbis needs to have some advice on how to connect. RFC 2782 >> just says all IP addresses needs to be tried before moving to the >> next SRV priority, but nothing about order or if we=E2=80=99re = connecting in >> parallell or in serial mode. Serial mode would be bad in STUN due to >> the timeouts. >>=20 >> This needs to be handled in StunBis. >>=20 >=20 > We updated the text to follow the advices in RFC 6555. That was done = in 3 places: >=20 > - Section 8, to explain what to do after processing according to RFC = 2782 and on a domain name. > - Section 12, to explain what to do with the NAT Discovery Usage. > - Section 13, updating the list of things that other STUN Usage should = do, in that case explain what to do with IPv6 and IPv4 addresses. >=20 > We'll leave it to icebis and turnbis to do the same for their = respective STUN Usages. Elegant. You are not solving the problem but tell the authors of STUN = usages to solve the problem :-) Note that RFC 6555 has a focus on connection-oriented transports and = pretty much leaves old UDP in the cold. "The mechanism described in this document is directly applicable to connection-oriented transports (e.g., TCP, SCTP), which is the scope of this document. =E2=80=9C It continues with: "For connectionless transport protocols (e.g., UDP), a similar mechanism can be used if the application has request/ response semantics (e.g., as done by Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) to select a working IPv6 or IPv4 media path [RFC6157])." Which may mean that STUN/UDP is covered. /O --Apple-Mail=_B82D812B-4EE7-457A-9949-DB9FD32B92A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: http://edvina.net iQGcBAEBCAAGBQJY3iuBAAoJEDCi1qX1P5VG0lQMAJBOC54Jeuog/HIA3UJhik1z 0K7JNXccgWTJDlp8hxcOfnbNc7QEnYgm7SYAEPxlfwNKVEZu7fDlGrUgWw06UKx7 JTHhHvOnPhbCboxDSgWGhKin1V+6fQ1JbQgwcI5M/t1Qcd3p/lwJz02QQqFtGGLp LVmaQfx5uLKMAQuHwTnbC71qmUD4nOirIYaBkunDcl+ChrzAfTgZEOTldSnOJQdh 5t+JTHdUy3BxmcXBnTAi7kfowuNl0GtGR1cnuIAMDPwZTR698ETB2GBB5ZmlNovj fY+iPKlD4SxPe8dHHFPGRY4chrqNv5Ue8yJjKZHDGu1ZZqi09RPtDEQ3+XwsNLIM BJ7Wo1k2BxuFnu5MtVYYAvzlK5l88C91lomlP/F+Wks52KaAnmVT3gG3Zp1hZZZk cGIInUfmHFfNfOk8W/tf40w2p1qeNWkp0v2UwSgEt3J8U1o8ZcYExh1bt96joM4w qALfeZ5WKaGY0vFPkeH456x4YYzPvaONCvZ8KYJlOQ== =Esr5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_B82D812B-4EE7-457A-9949-DB9FD32B92A4--