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Thanks, Simon & Gonzalo From nobody Thu May 11 02:22:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2730127869; Thu, 11 May 2017 02:22:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: tram@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149449456560.16665.3192173289881402543@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 02:22:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:22:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. Title : Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN): Relay Extensions to Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy Alan Johnston Philip Matthews Jonathan Rosenberg Filename : draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt Pages : 81 Date : 2017-05-11 Abstract: If a host is located behind a NAT, then in certain situations it can be impossible for that host to communicate directly with other hosts (peers). In these situations, it is necessary for the host to use the services of an intermediate node that acts as a communication relay. This specification defines a protocol, called TURN (Traversal Using Relays around NAT), that allows the host to control the operation of the relay and to exchange packets with its peers using the relay. TURN differs from some other relay control protocols in that it allows a client to communicate with multiple peers using a single relay address. The TURN protocol was designed to be used as part of the ICE (Interactive Connectivity Establishment) approach to NAT traversal, though it also can be used without ICE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:45:00 -0000 Updated draft discusses Happy Eyeballs for TURN in Section 2.10 (https://to= ols.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10#section-2.10). -Tiru -----Original Message----- From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:53 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: tram@ietf.org Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. Title : Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN): Relay E= xtensions to Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy Alan Johnston Philip Matthews Jonathan Rosenberg Filename : draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt Pages : 81 Date : 2017-05-11 Abstract: If a host is located behind a NAT, then in certain situations it can be impossible for that host to communicate directly with other hosts (peers). In these situations, it is necessary for the host to use the services of an intermediate node that acts as a communication relay. This specification defines a protocol, called TURN (Traversal Using Relays around NAT), that allows the host to control the operation of the relay and to exchange packets with its peers using the relay. TURN differs from some other relay control protocols in that it allows a client to communicate with multiple peers using a single relay address. The TURN protocol was designed to be used as part of the ICE (Interactive Connectivity Establishment) approach to NAT traversal, though it also can be used without ICE. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ tram mailing list tram@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram From nobody Sun May 14 14:44:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6718A129B6D for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:44:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ktEK0gulVaoE for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55FCA129B74 for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050093.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050093.ppops.net-00190b01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 21:44:46 -0000 FWIW ... I reviewed the changes in the latest draft. They appear to cover what we discussed in Chicago. I agree with the authors that the outstanding issues have been addressed. --Brandon On 05/01/2017 08:21 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: > TRAMsters, > > This email initiates a two-week working-group last call on this draft: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ > > Please read it now. Substantial comments should be addressed to the > group. Nits should be sent directly to the authors. > > Thanks, > Simon & Gonzalo > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > From nobody Sun May 14 14:57:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9C7129B3C for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:57:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0MQRdWc2IKEv for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6057B1296CF for ; Sun, 14 May 2017 14:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050096.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050096.ppops.net-00190b01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 21:57:19 -0000 Hi Tiru, Thanks for the update. I think it looks like what we've discussed. Are there any other outstanding issues you're tracking that still need to be addressed? I'm not aware of any; just wanted to check how close we are to closure on this one. --Brandon On 05/12/2017 05:34 AM, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > Updated draft discusses Happy Eyeballs for TURN in Section 2.10 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10#section-2.10). > > -Tiru > > -----Original Message----- > From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:53 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: tram@ietf.org > Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. > > Title : Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN): Relay Extensions to Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) > Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy > Alan Johnston > Philip Matthews > Jonathan Rosenberg > Filename : draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt > Pages : 81 > Date : 2017-05-11 > > Abstract: > If a host is located behind a NAT, then in certain situations it can > be impossible for that host to communicate directly with other hosts > (peers). In these situations, it is necessary for the host to use > the services of an intermediate node that acts as a communication > relay. This specification defines a protocol, called TURN (Traversal > Using Relays around NAT), that allows the host to control the > operation of the relay and to exchange packets with its peers using > the relay. TURN differs from some other relay control protocols in > that it allows a client to communicate with multiple peers using a > single relay address. > > The TURN protocol was designed to be used as part of the ICE > (Interactive Connectivity Establishment) approach to NAT traversal, > though it also can be used without ICE. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > From nobody Mon May 15 06:02:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91550129557 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 06:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=jive.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L38iu9MkRqgK for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 06:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22c.google.com (mail-qk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3436B128D6F for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 05:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id a72so93930386qkj.2 for ; Mon, 15 May 2017 05:56:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jive.com; s=google; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=swGFHTbKrK5Vs/UValec2pLzQgLKUqLFas5Aflm2j0s=; b=fZ9tLYahXQaFAOEkAeoPD9N3ViY+fBHdbSHgFPJ7244any17O8f8ZxTKFd4jAYyJ4b W2BtvwNMGwaNmHBceEfs0jikNyhaxfnkqRx4DLOr094mk+KPnWRcMm5aX6eldpI+ZAOi Rn7EgdlRuNzAIT+l435x6Stztwhg/9lrRERvoz/zvwygZrnbqrpDU/xlO7d3EOCwH/W3 NX0jGI7zH9ImT86dfDU03XOBpcsZXWcm9pK0rbSyh4EiC1P4Pc0VgsFGx0Lq0BwEFVQG Sh9u+iMDyW7qH04962MAlGTn/u+mUh3ME8IzEwx2jhozaBufOubFs0V5fY4qa8b/O2ul nqvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=swGFHTbKrK5Vs/UValec2pLzQgLKUqLFas5Aflm2j0s=; b=jYahO/jz/XcC4Xv41gp5wUqs7RS+l5B0D9IC6cDZ0ayMGvxrk+liryc80Sc6MHIODb aZshdA8mzXzns5TmM3+RjwjydnWcQtlIia4UkIvZgetoDp4HjvHp37mmAF4It+lYfOxy 8cJx0st3A9W3mOmyiOkQFfrnUBwD7tEPwzNw/FU+rgm+lG+8mGFDRr1EqDEwfiBUL3ib XBpeEyxhsjsYAjy/iSCoiL3tAG+lqgqqQIpzYBHty5HETmWQbgRyeB4clUEe17QTtEB6 xUQpii63NG/CGutQN37QdRB1XZKirAPVF6xzd6YR/L8KTdE4QsCrB5SfADz++o8e4YF4 CeyA== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcDd/Hkd5EKM51xUtxzhMwAtLobqdIdGwz+s1KvHQBBT+G7XeQkf WAp+N0Nu3ZNt9rfsS6OHQraFoPJ30+dv4Uahc0L0fr6KM0e7sqPZHQ5H6sxXCVer7QEswkFNVDQ RA5u7SSWIipLYvQ7biAsmiaHX4ySXfyrQy6pyTa4= X-Received: by 10.233.223.196 with SMTP id t187mr5083813qkf.31.1494853015077; Mon, 15 May 2017 05:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro-de-Simon.local ([2001:470:b161:0:6cad:b2d7:bae:7cf0]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c18sm8281109qkg.32.2017.05.15.05.56.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 15 May 2017 05:56:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Brandon Williams , tram@ietf.org References: From: Simon Perreault Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 08:57:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] WGLC draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 09:49:44 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Williams Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:23 AM To: tram@ietf.org Subject: Re: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt Hi Tiru, Thanks for the update. I think it looks like what we've discussed. Thanks. Are there any other outstanding issues you're tracking that still need to b= e addressed? I'm not aware of any; just wanted to check how close we are to= closure on this one. All comments received from the WG have been addressed. I am only tracking c= ouple of minor changes to the draft to align with stunbis (use MESSAGE-INTE= GRITY-SHA256, change from "401 Unauthorized" to "401 Unauthenticated"). -Tiru --Brandon On 05/12/2017 05:34 AM, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > Updated draft discusses Happy Eyeballs for TURN in Section 2.10 (https://= tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10#section-2.10). > > -Tiru > > -----Original Message----- > From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of=20 > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:53 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: tram@ietf.org > Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized of the IETF. > > Title : Traversal Using Relays around NAT (TURN): Relay= Extensions to Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) > Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy > Alan Johnston > Philip Matthews > Jonathan Rosenberg > Filename : draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10.txt > Pages : 81 > Date : 2017-05-11 > > Abstract: > If a host is located behind a NAT, then in certain situations it can > be impossible for that host to communicate directly with other hosts > (peers). In these situations, it is necessary for the host to use > the services of an intermediate node that acts as a communication > relay. This specification defines a protocol, called TURN (Traversal > Using Relays around NAT), that allows the host to control the > operation of the relay and to exchange packets with its peers using > the relay. TURN differs from some other relay control protocols in > that it allows a client to communicate with multiple peers using a > single relay address. > > The TURN protocol was designed to be used as part of the ICE > (Interactive Connectivity Establishment) approach to NAT traversal, > though it also can be used without ICE. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-tram-turnbis-10 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > _______________________________________________ tram mailing list tram@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram From nobody Wed May 17 04:11:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87947129789 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:11:13 -0000 I think https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12#section-9.2.= 1 needs more discussion, a man-in-the-middle attacker can also change the "= nonce cookie" forcing the client to pick a weaker password algorithm. (D)TL= S is required to prevent the MITM attack (just like (D)TLS is required to p= revent the downgrade attack to MESSAGE-INTEGRITY).=20 -Tiru -----Original Message----- From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Williams Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:11 AM To: tram@ietf.org Subject: Re: [tram] WGLC draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 FWIW ... I reviewed the changes in the latest draft. They appear to cover w= hat we discussed in Chicago. I agree with the authors that the outstanding = issues have been addressed. --Brandon On 05/01/2017 08:21 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: > TRAMsters, > > This email initiates a two-week working-group last call on this draft: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ > > Please read it now. Substantial comments should be addressed to the=20 > group. Nits should be sent directly to the authors. > > Thanks, > Simon & Gonzalo > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > _______________________________________________ tram mailing list tram@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram From nobody Wed May 17 08:38:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A49E12950B for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w-C8gHumiflc for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B130129503 for ; Wed, 17 May 2017 08:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050102.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050102.ppops.net-00190b01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:38:07 -0000 Wouldn't changing the nonce cookie invalidate the nonce? causing the server to reject signed messages that include the now bad nonce? Security on the one message would be dropped to a lower level, but not for the channel as a whole, right? Agreed that we should mention the issue and (D)TLS. Just don't want to over-state. --Brandon On 05/17/2017 07:06 AM, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > I think https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12#section-9.2.1 needs more discussion, a man-in-the-middle attacker can also change the "nonce cookie" forcing the client to pick a weaker password algorithm. (D)TLS is required to prevent the MITM attack (just like (D)TLS is required to prevent the downgrade attack to MESSAGE-INTEGRITY). > > -Tiru > > -----Original Message----- > From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Williams > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:11 AM > To: tram@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [tram] WGLC draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 > > FWIW ... I reviewed the changes in the latest draft. They appear to cover what we discussed in Chicago. I agree with the authors that the outstanding issues have been addressed. > > --Brandon > > On 05/01/2017 08:21 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: >> TRAMsters, >> >> This email initiates a two-week working-group last call on this draft: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ >> >> Please read it now. Substantial comments should be addressed to the >> group. Nits should be sent directly to the authors. >> >> Thanks, >> Simon & Gonzalo >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tram mailing list >> tram@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram >> > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > -- Brandon Williams; Chief Architect Cloud Networking; Akamai Technologies Inc. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 01:31:56 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brandon Williams [mailto:brandon.williams@akamai.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 9:02 PM > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy ; > tram@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [tram] WGLC draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 >=20 > Wouldn't changing the nonce cookie invalidate the nonce? causing the serv= er > to reject signed messages that include the now bad nonce? Yes, server will reject the nonce cookie. > Security on the one message would be dropped to a lower level, but not fo= r > the channel as a whole, right? Yup. >=20 > Agreed that we should mention the issue and (D)TLS. Just don't want to ov= er- > state. Works for me. Cheers, -Tiru >=20 > --Brandon >=20 > On 05/17/2017 07:06 AM, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > > I think https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12#section-= 9.2.1 > needs more discussion, a man-in-the-middle attacker can also change the > "nonce cookie" forcing the client to pick a weaker password algorithm. (D= )TLS > is required to prevent the MITM attack (just like (D)TLS is required to p= revent > the downgrade attack to MESSAGE-INTEGRITY). > > > > -Tiru > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brandon > > Williams > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:11 AM > > To: tram@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [tram] WGLC draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 > > > > FWIW ... I reviewed the changes in the latest draft. They appear to cov= er > what we discussed in Chicago. I agree with the authors that the outstandi= ng > issues have been addressed. > > > > --Brandon > > > > On 05/01/2017 08:21 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: > >> TRAMsters, > >> > >> This email initiates a two-week working-group last call on this draft: > >> > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stunbis/ > >> > >> Please read it now. Substantial comments should be addressed to the > >> group. Nits should be sent directly to the authors. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Simon & Gonzalo > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> tram mailing list > >> tram@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tram mailing list > > tram@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > > >=20 > -- > Brandon Williams; Chief Architect > Cloud Networking; Akamai Technologies Inc.