From nobody Fri Sep 1 07:39:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FE3132F5D; Fri, 1 Sep 2017 07:39:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: tram@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.59.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150427674195.3233.1565628672245611027@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 07:39:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [tram] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-06.txt X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2017 14:39:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the TURN Revised and Modernized WG of the IETF. Title : Path MTU Discovery Using Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Authors : Marc Petit-Huguenin Gonzalo Salgueiro Filename : draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-06.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2017-09-01 Abstract: This document describes a Session Traversal Utilities for NAT (STUN) Usage for Path MTU Discovery (PMTUD) between a client and a server. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-tram-stun-pmtud-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:45:07 -0000 All, We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts to IESG. But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're looking for one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low amount of work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per week until the draft is published. This is a good opportunity to get to know the IETF processes more intimately. Any volunteers? Thanks, -- Simon Perreault Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc. https://jive.com | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 | sperreault@jive.com From nobody Fri Sep 15 09:49:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322C813209C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vXgXHPlhmQfh for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-x230.google.com (mail-lf0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33D10133016 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf0-x230.google.com with SMTP id b127so2990887lfe.9 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/J3H9mJAEtEuPSGG5QSEVITe0fDHJcsSvS5l77V5iSo=; b=COW0r7gcytdyNBDWdgc4NtH5JJV9/sCHLv816awYCL+2rMExAFHVRqZjT1qqyRuTOC Puw4Sf/RBec8Sa1pYia5U4Mkxv2MpeHxHhd8C+KEbWoFezxhn1tZjxfAY9KJCq3uX5Xn cwSJpmLQj/1OEGJQTqBtNBbGINLpkEkY6akZJu6+0HqOo8KjXyCfaqeuRgP2sW+GOelQ 0bM5Jpy8KgcAAfcZjMFwY1QAx1wN8psG2J0BBnoDUxmyuZO7/dKBS0+T/Obdzb8RKjwm I7O83kXQ6S49auEZOfR+8uByHTYooF5kddcm+2aEQSP1rEsQrct3A1lF2CaOQgbRjSF6 L+tg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/J3H9mJAEtEuPSGG5QSEVITe0fDHJcsSvS5l77V5iSo=; b=cWH0oPwF75Egt7pauUsdJ1wPa2C/4UGLmJcDCOJoXH1Ns0RbH1+eGeEcnu9gRcIEdM zRq3ww8v3lIV8xERWWmcJqe7x2zxT4yF1KGqlPdJMK0CZLMsuO0LEbSEUpfi2QHhml6I KYauMLSVsH4LALtQdYBSaoe3ByTdKc8U3UVrvQqZleye50yrw7ocMjvFnl3L1SjOcLXN LScvG/bMYsl7nC41tMX9SwDWS+OYClFTvrsYKr9SiZtyf2ooF+JHs449WTXImJYqNo2H QxRX8Su7pe8HkWAv+Y6LSK3cF68/r6/XV3AoOHuSl7V4iLK5X9KXRUqNlUhYEQf8UjGg j/Kw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhgcwh0K7oT6lebBNDHDhe6p/MIm0cmxhyDsYzCu3YxCgKhMLup UaDIzEw2So0WGG+wF9FqxDpBfzK0yDeW4NhF9K5cEg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAlH+GYuSbwxOcuxU6YYruS0Y0YUAuwCdiBqFc7I6TelMNaau6ceZ1K9KGssT0XORYPGZx2ob9ogtso9dUkXZQ= X-Received: by 10.25.219.129 with SMTP id t1mr1005701lfi.229.1505494165351; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 09:49:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <39c1eca2-04b6-0b15-42f5-c9de9b11169c@jive.com> In-Reply-To: <39c1eca2-04b6-0b15-42f5-c9de9b11169c@jive.com> From: toadzky Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:49:14 +0000 Message-ID: To: Simon Perreault , "tram@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0665c4eff1c005593d2cc6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] Shepherds needed X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 16:49:29 -0000 --94eb2c0665c4eff1c005593d2cc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Simon, I should be able to help out with one. David Harris toadzky@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 10:45 Simon Perreault wrote: > All, > > We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts to IESG. > But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're looking for > one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as > shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low amount of > work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per week until > the draft is published. This is a good opportunity to get to know the > IETF processes more intimately. > > Any volunteers? > > Thanks, > -- > Simon Perreault > Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc. > https://jive.com | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 | sperreault@jive.com > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > --94eb2c0665c4eff1c005593d2cc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Simon,

I should be able to help out with one.

David Harris
toadzky@gmail.com


On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 10:45= Simon Perreault <sperreault@jive= .com> wrote:
All,

We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts to IESG= .
But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're looking for one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as
shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low amount of work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per week until
the draft is published. This is a good opportunity to get to know the
IETF processes more intimately.

Any volunteers?

Thanks,
--
Simon Perreault
Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc.
https://j= ive.com | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 | sperreault@jive.com

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--94eb2c0665c4eff1c005593d2cc6-- From nobody Fri Sep 15 11:47:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0F21341D3 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:47:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.82 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.82 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d_7DEmzWWj-D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 778A113352D for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 11:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-a4dff700000019be-c7-59bc205bc598 Received: from ESESSHC018.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.72]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id CD.5D.06590.B502CB95; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 20:47:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [100.94.34.44] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.352.0; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 20:47:54 +0200 To: From: Gonzalo Camarillo Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 21:47:54 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7h260wp5IgxvrlC0+rL3A5sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujIdPlzIX/Ges2Ll4PmsD4znGLkZODgkBE4kTG2YydzFycQgJ HGGUmLqphQ3CWcUosXrPLzaQKhEBYYm5B++ygNhsAhYSW27dB7OFBTQlbtxqA7N5Bewltt89 DWazCKhKbD28EswWFYiR+HnpEVSNoMTJmU+AbA4OZqDe9bv0QcLMAuISt57MZ4Kw5SW2v53D DGILCWhLLH/WwjKBkW8Wku5ZCN2zkHTPQtK9gJFlFaNocWpxcW66kbFealFmcnFxfp5eXmrJ JkZgoB3c8lt3B+Pq146HGAU4GJV4eN1O7o4UYk0sK67MPcQowcGsJML7WmZPpBBvSmJlVWpR fnxRaU5q8SFGaQ4WJXFeh30XIoQE0hNLUrNTUwtSi2CyTBycUg2Mep9KLinyVj+e/vtLZZjW twWBpqvSe7ju3frCYK/qnLs5LfSS1en4kJvBORmnDry+YuGXHNuQKevD7av3jeuY2MEDK8x+ ZDdO+Jj969+rq28LEv5mGAvVCy3JkTFc/OW5c4XYz93OSd+OPjxsWpWcEN28b3752vlqv7cn b22Y0lKuEnEot/eZEktxRqKhFnNRcSIAZX+vBTACAAA= Archived-At: Subject: [tram] WGLC: draft-ietf-tram-turnbis-11 X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:47:59 -0000 Folks, we are starting a Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on the following draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis/ This WGLC will end on October 2nd. Please, send your comments to this list. Thanks! Cheers, Gonzalo From nobody Fri Sep 15 15:34:14 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725271321A7 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:34:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2LYbvHodXA3J for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x22c.google.com (mail-yw0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C059134237 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id w22so2241836ywa.13 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:34:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nhlHq5K3IVlSTiGBl1qdeDpT4HEOIy7C3uSzveLUMZM=; b=T1lsiygQmOPJhnZ5JYgmvCNaIuCxpbVFC4K4R7BX0M4CwD0VXbIh7RYulL3wSPocQ+ 9/pj3PSCk/DB4X027fMVaDL5oRIXQBQe8JNn0t5F5Fnyr0KbRi7mLo8H3fLkXnGUgFAh wpqt4Pwj0ebrWpZQlO79Bn+myvAHSvUP4n0L5KkI6ZduWPL8juSCiKzhryXwheNDODh+ HDlHJyaFK7JKtwtQ3dXyHL8fmYdTD8wNdrQlOd5DkJ82OUIp6lqDuGxRHVIXXbeDyFkd IAmOjslkY4GYXDdjW08+Udr8sV+o9XCub8uH/xgam9t4yRZTG5N//FBVjoWOVI/SWUaT 9FJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nhlHq5K3IVlSTiGBl1qdeDpT4HEOIy7C3uSzveLUMZM=; b=XGYVwWPz257TqVIU8dPyE2eyi00TzEKYwWETQHy5vc9oHcfS3MN+uVfGzOFRdtc0Hf eU+O9rmv/yfA4B1aIQOiA8W5M71FO0mTBnctT8+oJEoOdIB+BslHaQAF7c4Zz+ab0YFs imxw18iMzOSLnXPaYsXg4rsk/sh9Thj0NCmNsk38BizA6E7rfoKaD7Lw02Rtg4M8ufvu UoKZ58EOAkgQGHaA9XOSujd0NDAn1ixyOh/djFiYL3OOBedHMIngKS8rUDVzyIH1FxN1 14jUJTRsntvomHkHVqI3p7hivb1F5UOOW9QW01ccGfpejJr+q4AK4Q55ZwQB8mYKzZLq DP5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUiNOiMoo9NsRL2wCPKzH4W3rh9siIymTvJ4JZV2U0OBA1F3zNMr nGXVg/l8zshgfU4kFO1CbiCi2lFbRyezdjHLBho= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADKCNb5p4b5USEAC4Zz32W1Cfecml3t53DJemZskM3lvhJk3ekGGv3fS4mlH3d3RaDU3rZURkO3DB5FY4Eaui8mELnU= X-Received: by 10.129.167.67 with SMTP id e64mr15711541ywh.85.1505514850831; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:34:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.2.15 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:34:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <39c1eca2-04b6-0b15-42f5-c9de9b11169c@jive.com> From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 17:34:10 -0500 Message-ID: To: toadzky Cc: Simon Perreault , "tram@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c146c7ee35836055941fd42" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] Shepherds needed X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 22:34:13 -0000 --94eb2c146c7ee35836055941fd42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks, David. And I should point out that ADs really appreciate people helping working group chairs with responsibilities that can be delegated, like shepherding a draft :-) Spencer as AD, who is looking forward to the publication request ... On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49 AM, toadzky wrote: > Simon, > > I should be able to help out with one. > > David Harris > toadzky@gmail.com > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 10:45 Simon Perreault wrote: > >> All, >> >> We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts to IESG. >> But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're looking for >> one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as >> shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low amount of >> work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per week until >> the draft is published. This is a good opportunity to get to know the >> IETF processes more intimately. >> >> Any volunteers? >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Simon Perreault >> Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc. >> https://jive.com | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 <(418)%20478-0989> | >> sperreault@jive.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tram mailing list >> tram@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram >> > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > > --94eb2c146c7ee35836055941fd42 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, David.

And I should point out t= hat ADs really appreciate people helping working group chairs with responsi= bilities that can be delegated, like shepherding a draft :-)

=
Spencer as AD, who is looking forward to the publication request= ...

On Fri,= Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49 AM, toadzky <toadzky@gmail.com> wrote= :

Simon,

I should be able to help out with one.

David Harris
toadzky@gmail.com


All,

We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts to IESG= .
But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're looking for one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as
shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low amount of work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per week until
the draft is published. This is a good opportunity to get to know the
IETF processes more intimately.

Any volunteers?

Thanks,
--
Simon Perreault
Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc.
https://j= ive.com | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 | sperreault@jive.com

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 06:03:25 -0000 Hi Spencer, yes, you should get ready for a few publication requests coming from this group relatively soon ;-) Thanks! Cheers, Gonzalo On 16/09/2017 1:34 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote: > Thanks, David. > > And I should point out that ADs really appreciate people helping working > group chairs with responsibilities that can be delegated, like > shepherding a draft :-) > > Spencer as AD, who is looking forward to the publication request ... > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:49 AM, toadzky > wrote: > > Simon, > > I should be able to help out with one. > > David Harris > toadzky@gmail.com > > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 10:45 Simon Perreault > wrote: > > All, > > We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts > to IESG. > But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're > looking for > one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as > shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low > amount of > work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per > week until > the draft is published. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 23:27:30 -0000 I should also be able to find the time to help with this if you need more than one volunteer. --Brandon On 09/15/2017 12:49 PM, toadzky wrote: > Simon, > > I should be able to help out with one. > > David Harris > toadzky@gmail.com > > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 10:45 Simon Perreault > wrote: > > All, > > We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts to IESG. > But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're looking for > one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as > shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low amount of > work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per week until > the draft is published. This is a good opportunity to get to know the > IETF processes more intimately. > > Any volunteers? > > Thanks, > -- > Simon Perreault > Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc. > https://jive.com > > | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 | sperreault@jive.com > > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > > > > > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > From nobody Sun Sep 17 21:28:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7759B132025 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sonusnet.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Sep 2017 04:28:40.2119 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 29a671dc-ed7e-4a54-b1e5-8da1eb495dc3 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN2PR03MB2159 X-MC-Unique: ujxeJMGQMs2gr4xqw3mLCw-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [tram] Shepherds needed X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 04:28:48 -0000 The same here. Thanks, Tolga -----Original Message----- From: tram [mailto:tram-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Williams Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 7:27 PM To: toadzky ; Simon Perreault ; tra= m@ietf.org Subject: Re: [tram] Shepherds needed I should also be able to find the time to help with this if you need more t= han one volunteer. --Brandon On 09/15/2017 12:49 PM, toadzky wrote: > Simon, >=20 > I should be able to help out with one. >=20 > David Harris > toadzky@gmail.com >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017, 10:45 Simon Perreault > wrote: >=20 > All, >=20 > We're in the home stretch and we need to send a bunch of drafts to IE= SG. > But Gonzalo and myself are starved for free cycles. We're looking for > one or more volunteers to help write a few proto writeups and act as > shepherd throughout the IESG process. This is a relatively low amount= of > work: maybe 1-2 hours for kickoff and then a few minutes per week unt= il > the draft is published. This is a good opportunity to get to know the > IETF processes more intimately. >=20 > Any volunteers? >=20 > Thanks, > -- > Simon Perreault > Director of Engineering, Platform | Jive Communications, Inc. > https://jive.com > > | +1 418 478 0989 ext. 1241 | sperreault@jive.com > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram > =20 > lman_listinfo_tram&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3D96ZbZZcaMF4w0F4jpN6LZg&r=3DbwZ-nnRGWmcG= KRI > uadq6-NSnsgwbBVUJa4mZfmEIBXg&m=3DRO3jMVm7aLSoEQQu1tmpCqHT-7y9Vbh7CndjK5K > S_WM&s=3D9cil-GsxlLsFhLp8X4ciYFLfhRUiDYJUe4W8rDsdmic&e=3D> >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > tram mailing list > tram@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram >=20 _______________________________________________ tram mailing list tram@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tram From nobody Mon Sep 18 07:50:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tram@ietf.org Delivered-To: tram@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A37A1320BD; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:50:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: sperreault@jive.com, tram-chairs@ietf.org, tram@ietf.org, spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.62.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150574620519.15616.5635120033947424146.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:50:05 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [tram] tram - Not having a session at IETF 100 X-BeenThere: tram@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussing the creation of a Turn Revised And Modernized \(TRAM\) WG, which goal is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 10:57:37 -0000 Please, review the draft and send your comments to the list by October 2nd, per my email below. Thanks! Gonzalo On 15/09/2017 9:47 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Folks, > > we are starting a Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on the following draft: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tram-turnbis/ > > This WGLC will end on October 2nd. Please, send your comments to this > list. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 12:32:08 -0000 --_000_SN2PR03MB235065A8D62E9153E6C837ABB27F0SN2PR03MB2350namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are my comments for draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 WGLC: (It could be easier for tracking purposes if authors reply in separate thre= ads/bundle relevant ones into separate threads) i- Please reference latest version of [I-D.ietf-ice-rfc5245bis], and indica= te that it should be updated by RFC Editor with the latest version/RFC numb= er (if present) before publication of this document ii- STUN is intended to be used in context of one or more NAT traversal solutions. These solutions are known as STUN usages. Each usage describes how STUN is utilized to achieve the NAT traversal solution. I think there are use cases for non-NAT environments as well, e.g. RFC5626 = keep-alive for flows without NAT to detect Edge Proxy crash. Maybe adding a= sentence along the following lines could be good: "STUN may also be used for cases where a NAT is not present, e.g., to detec= t crash of an Edge Proxy based on procedures defined in RFC5626 ." iii- Both types of transactions include a transaction ID, which is a randomly selected 96-bit number. It may be useful to provide some guidance how this could be made (close to)= globally unique? iv- The server also uses the transaction ID as a key to identify each transaction uniquely across all clients. As such, the transaction ID MUST be uniformly and randomly chosen from the interval 0 .. 2**96-1, and SHOULD be cryptographically random. There still is the possibility of a clash. What are the implications if tha= t happens? A short clarification could be useful. v- Structurally, it would be better to specify "binding" as a "method" in i= ts own/separate section rather than in the sections pertaining to general m= essage processing. vi- Absent other limits to the rate of new transactions (such as those specified by ICE for connectivity checks or when STUN is run over TCP), a client SHOULD limit itself to ten outstanding transactions to the same server. What is the justification for this? vii- Alternatively, a client MAY be configured with a set of domains or IP addresses that are trusted; if a certificate is received that identifies one of those domains or IP addresses, the client considers the identity of the server to be verified. Isn't this already covered by following from RFC6125 (at least the "domain"= ) 1. The client constructs a list of acceptable reference identifiers based on the source domain and, optionally, the type of service to which the client is connecting. ... As previously mentioned, this document specifies that a URI-ID always contains a "host" component (or its equivalent) containing a "reg-name". (Matching only the "reg-name" rule from [URI] limits verification to DNS= domain names, thereby differentiating a URI-ID from a uniformResourceIdentifier entry that contains an IP address or a mere host name, or that does not contain a "host" component at all.) It seems only "IP" is excluded. viii- It checks that the first two bits are 0, that the magic cookie field has the correct value, that the message length is sensible, and that the method value is a supported method. What does "sensible" mean in this context? ix- If the success response contains unknown comprehension-required attributes, the response is discarded and the transaction is considered to have failed. When would such a response be generated? x- If the error code is 500 through 599, the client MAY resend the request; clients that do so MUST limit the number of times they do this. It may be useful to provide some guidance/recommended values? xi- If the part contains an IP address, then this IP address is used directly to contact the server. A "stuns" URI containing an IP address MUST be rejected, unless the domain name is provided by the same mechanism that provided the STUN URI, and that domain name can be passed to the verification code. Isn't this in conflict with the statement Alternatively, a client MAY be configured with a set of domains or IP addresses that are trusted; if a certificate is received that identifies one of those domains or IP addresses, the client considers the identity of the server to be verified. xii- Would it be useful to define a DHCP option for STUN Servers similar to= SIP in RFC3361? xiii- If the request was sent over an unreliable transport, the response MUST be discarded, as if it was never received. This means that retransmits, if applicable, will continue. If all the reponses received are discarded then instead of signalling a timeout after ending the transaction the layer MUST signal that an attack took place. Why signal attack only if all retransmissions are problematic? Shouldn't th= is happen even if only one is discarded? xiv- "Basic Server", what does it really refer to? What are alternatives? W= as the goal here to describe behavior of a "STUN Binding Server"? If so, sh= ouldn't it be renamed as such rather than as "Basic Server"? Or are there p= rocedures which pertain to "Basic Servers in general" (again whatever a Bas= ic Server is)? Is defining behavior for a "backward compatible server" the = real goal here? xv- 10. ALTERNATE-SERVER Mechanism What is raison d'etre for defining such a mechanism? Is there an already kn= own use case? xvi- It SHOULD NOT utilize the short-term or long-term credential mechanism. This is because the work involved in authenticating the request is more than the work in simply processing it. It SHOULD NOT utilize the ALTERNATE-SERVER mechanism for the same reason. Isn't backward compatibility the real reason for not using credentials and = ALTERTNATE-SERVER? Otherwise there could be reasons other than processing c= ost which could make them applicable, e.g. for credentials, not wanting to = serve illegitimate users, and for ALTERNATE-SERVER getting ready for an upg= rade. xvii- From idnits: ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 1321 ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 2104 ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2460 ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2617 (Obsoleted by RFC 7235, RFC 761= 5, RFC 7616, RFC 7617) =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of draft-ietf-ice-rfc5245bis-01 -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 2616 (Obsoleted by RFC 7230, RFC 7231, RFC 7232, RFC 7233, RFC 7234, RFC 72= 35) -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 3489 (Obsoleted by RFC 5389) -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 5226 Thanks, Tolga --_000_SN2PR03MB235065A8D62E9153E6C837ABB27F0SN2PR03MB2350namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are my comments for draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-12 WGLC:
(It could be easier for tracking purposes if authors reply in separate= threads/bundle relevant ones into separate threads)
 
i- Please reference latest version of [I-D.ietf-ice-rfc5245bis], and i= ndicate that it should be updated by RFC Editor with the latest version/RFC= number (if present) before publication of this document
 
 
ii-
= STUN is intended to be used in context of one or more NAT traversal<= /font>
=    solutions.  These solutions are known as STUN usages.&nbs= p; Each usage
=    describes how STUN is utilized to achieve the NAT traversal so= lution.
I think there are use cases for non-NAT environments as well, e.g. RFC= 5626 keep-alive for flows without NAT to detect Edge Proxy crash. Maybe add= ing a sentence along the following lines could be good:
“STUN may also be used for cases where a NAT is not present, e.g= ., to detect crash of an Edge Proxy based on procedures defined in RFC5626 = <reference RFC5626>.”
 
 
iii-
= Both types of transactions include a transaction ID, which
=    is a randomly selected 96-bit number.
It may be useful to provide some guidance how this could be made (clos= e to) globally unique?
 
 
iv-
= The server also uses
=    the transaction ID as a key to identify each transaction uniqu= ely
=    across all clients.  As such, the transaction ID MUST be = uniformly
=    and randomly chosen from the interval 0 .. 2**96-1, and SHOULD= be
=    cryptographically random.
There still is the possibility of a clash. What are the implications i= f that happens? A short clarification could be useful.
 
 
v- Structurally, it would be better to specify “binding” a= s a “method” in its own/separate section rather than in the sec= tions pertaining to general message processing.
 
 
vi-
= Absent other limits to
=    the rate of new transactions (such as those specified by ICE f= or
=    connectivity checks or when STUN is run over TCP), a client SH= OULD
=    limit itself to ten outstanding transactions to the same serve= r.
What is the justification for this?
 
 
vii-
= Alternatively, a
=    client MAY be configured with a set of domains or IP addresses= that
=    are trusted; if a certificate is received that identifies one = of
=    those domains or IP addresses, the client considers the identi= ty of
=    the server to be verified.
 
Isn’t this already covered by following from RFC6125 (at least t= he “domain”)
= 1.  The client constructs a list of acceptable reference identifiers
=        based on the source domain and, option= ally, the type of service
=        to which the client is connecting.
= ...
= As previously mentioned, this document specifies that
=       a URI-ID always contains a "host" = component (or its equivalent)
=       containing a "reg-name".  (Ma= tching only the "reg-name" rule from
=       [URI] limits verification to = DNS domain names, thereby
=       differentiating a URI-ID from a uniformResou= rceIdentifier entry
=       that contains an IP address or a mere host n= ame, or that does not
=       contain a "host" component at all.= )
=  
It seems only “IP” is excluded.
 
 
 
viii-
= It checks that the first two
=    bits are 0, that the magic cookie field has the correct value,= that
=    the message length is sensible, and that the method value is a=
=    supported method.
What does “sensible” mean in this context?
 
 
 
 
ix-
= If the success response contains unknown comprehension-required
=    attributes, the response is discarded and the transaction is
=    considered to have failed.
When would such a response be generated?
 
 
 
x-
= If the error code is 500 through 599, the client MAY resend the
=       request; clients that do so MUST limit the n= umber of times they do
=       this.
It may be useful to provide some guidance/recommended values?
 
 
 
xi-
= If the <host> part contains an IP address, then this IP address is
=    used directly to contact the server.  A "stuns"= URI containing an IP
=    address MUST be rejected, unless the domain name is provided b= y the
=    same mechanism that provided the STUN URI, and that domain nam= e can
=    be passed to the verification code.
Isn’t this in conflict with the statement
= Alternatively, a
=    client MAY be configured with a set of domains or IP addresses= that
=    are trusted; if a certificate is received that identifies one = of
=    those domains or IP addresses, the client considers the identi= ty of
=    the server to be verified.
 
 
 
xii- Would it be useful to define a DHCP option for STUN Servers simil= ar to SIP in RFC3361?
 
 
xiii-
= If the request was sent over an unreliable transport, the response
=    MUST be discarded, as if it was never received.  This mea= ns that
=    retransmits, if applicable, will continue.  If all the re= ponses
=    received are discarded then instead of signalling a timeout af= ter
=    ending the transaction the layer MUST signal that an attack to= ok
=    place.
Why signal attack only if all retransmissions are problematic? Shouldn= ’t this happen even if only one is discarded?
 
 
xiv- “Basic Server”, what does it really refer to? What ar= e alternatives? Was the goal here to describe behavior of a “STUN Bin= ding Server”? If so, shouldn’t it be renamed as such rather tha= n as “Basic Server”? Or are there procedures which pertain to “Basic Servers in general” (again whatever a Basic Server is)? = Is defining behavior for a “backward compatible server” the rea= l goal here?
 
 
xv-
10.  ALTERNATE-SERVER Mechanism
What is raison d’etre for defining such a mechanism? Is there an= already known use case?
 
xvi-
= It SHOULD NOT
=    utilize the short-term or long-term credential mechanism. = ; This is
=    because the work involved in authenticating the request is mor= e than
=    the work in simply processing it.  It SHOULD NOT utilize = the
=    ALTERNATE-SERVER mechanism for the same reason.<= /div>
Isn’t backward compatibility the real reason for not using crede= ntials and ALTERTNATE-SERVER? Otherwise there could be reasons other than p= rocessing cost which could make them applicable, e.g. for credentials, not = wanting to serve illegitimate users, and for ALTERNATE-SERVER getting ready for an upgrade.
 
 
xvii- From idnits:
= ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 1321
=  
=   ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 2104
=  
=   ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2460
=  
=   ** Obsolete normative reference: RFC 2617 (Obsoleted by RFC 7235, RF= C 7615,
=      RFC 7616, RFC 7617)
=  
=   =3D=3D Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of
=      draft-ietf-ice-rfc5245bis-01
=  
=   -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 2616=
=      (Obsoleted by RFC 7230, RFC 7231, RFC 7232, RFC 72= 33, RFC 7234, RFC 7235)
=  
=   -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 3489=
=      (Obsoleted by RFC 5389)
=  
=   -- Obsolete informational reference (is this intentional?): RFC 5226=
 
 
Thanks,
Tolga
 
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