From nobody Wed Jun 3 09:14:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trans@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trans@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E663A0AD0 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:14:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mi3DyEH3BKE0 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veto.sei.cmu.edu (veto.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 870793A0855 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delp.sei.cmu.edu (delp.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.31]) by veto.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 053GEDO5007708 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:14:13 -0400 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 veto.sei.cmu.edu 053GEDO5007708 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1591200853; bh=62F0dd16yy45u3J3CzEw5SMcCplJNm6EvXNSu9zEFoA=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=LBNMe8Ae7r/rXptiKuGRqJsSPHldCAK+Okta08zXEzA+Ck54K5N4zgaXr2Pjswnrr zWBhMLMzHKiu6JG8ilSmrs4vi3MS3bywx3bs+hhv/S0XjpQVP7ASSyOMmUpOGCVo95 YidXCS7XoLBF/EOMqGR6TKuxnYR1z0aYbmRmg1b8= Received: from CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cascade.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.248]) by delp.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 053GEA4W015497 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:14:10 -0400 Received: from MURIEL.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.47) by CASCADE.ad.sei.cmu.edu (10.64.28.248) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.487.0; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:14:10 -0400 Received: from MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.46) by MURIEL.ad.sei.cmu.edu (147.72.252.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1979.3; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:14:09 -0400 Received: from MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb]) by MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb%13]) with mapi id 15.01.1979.003; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 12:14:09 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: Roman Danyliw , "trans@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Summary of DISCUSS items for draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis Thread-Index: AdXrTUfm8XWVAz9CSdW38cgkiAaelhOZ9Hfw Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:14:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0216F4C1D7@marchand> In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0216F4C1D7@marchand> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.202.162] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Trans] Summary of DISCUSS items for draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis X-BeenThere: trans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Public Notary Transparency working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 16:14:44 -0000 Hi! I'm checking in again. Inline ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Trans On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:45 PM > To: trans@ietf.org > Subject: [Trans] Summary of DISCUSS items for draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bi= s >=20 > Hi! >=20 > I just balloted YES with a few comments on draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis. = To > follow-up on Paul's earlier summary [1], I saw that some discussion has > occurred in response to the IESG ballot but wanted to check-in with the a= uthors > on the disposition of addressing the remaining DISCUSS items. >=20 > [1] > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trans/9zGMHr_Fu1EefWbvthvqSANl3nA/ >=20 > =3D=3D[ Ben Kaduk > From: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trans/2Sc26GMFwQnTRl5DEEk_- > 51ABFU/ >=20 > Item #1 >=20 > Sections 4.11 and 4.12 have arrays of NodeHash to carry consistency and > inclusion proofs, respectively, with minimum array size of 1. However, S= ections > 2.1.4.1 and 2.1.3.1 (respectively) seem to admit the possibility of zero-= length > proofs in degenerate cases, which the aforementioned protocol description > language forbids the conveyance of. > (Section 5.3 explicitly requires the use of an empty consistency proof.) = Do those > minimum array sizes need to be (implicit) zero? > (If they do not, it seems that a minimum size of 32 would have the same e= ffect > as that of one, since a NodeHash has minimum size 32.) >=20 > Item #2 >=20 > In Section 6: >=20 > o An Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP) [RFC6960] response > extension (see Section 7.1.1), where the OCSP response is provided > in the "CertificateStatus" message, provided that the TLS client > included the "status_request" extension in the (extended) > "ClientHello" (Section 8 of [RFC6066]). [...] >=20 > This is not quite a TLS 1.3-compliant formulation -- TLS 1.3 does not use= the > "CertificateStatus message", but rather uses the encoding of that structu= re in a > status_request extension in the CertificateEntry. > draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis I haven't seen discussion of Ben's DISCUSS feedback > =3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D[ Mirja K=FChlewind > From: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trans/0R9dKzZ4h2bLQX4pyHqwdA4uVdo > / >=20 > There was a presentation at maprg IETF 103 about the question if CT helps > attackers to find new domains. I think this risk should at least be menti= oned in > the security considerations section. >=20 > [Roman] Pending review by Mirja. Section 11.6 was added. Issue closed. Mirja cleared her DISCUSS ballot. Thanks for those updates = in -33/-34. > =3D=3D=3D >=20 > =3D=3D[ Alexey Melnikov > From: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trans/qiURoDHiWrP1l7X3WY9RRvYrWFg > / >=20 > 5. Log Client Messages >=20 > type: A URN reference identifying the problem. To facilitate > automated response to errors, this document defines a set of > standard tokens for use in the "type" field, within the URN > namespace of: "urn:ietf:params:trans:error:". >=20 > I think you need to register this in > > =3D=3D=3D Murray has picked up this DISCUSS position from Alexey: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis/ballot/#murra= y-kucherawy Regards, Roman > Regards, > Roman >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Trans mailing list > Trans@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trans From nobody Wed Jun 3 09:32:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trans@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trans@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975343A08DA for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6LzIqwks7iDh for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9001:583::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8685B3A08E2 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0050095.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0050095.ppops.net-00190b01. 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Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 18:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Wouters To: "Salz, Rich" cc: "trans@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <53BD0D75-D08B-4EDC-A3DC-43627ABBDF34@akamai.com> Message-ID: References: <0326AF38-C3C7-43D8-824F-31D0E9879564@akamai.com> <847f0ed9ec8c4dbe9233b386b1af3ef3@cert.org> <53BD0D75-D08B-4EDC-A3DC-43627ABBDF34@akamai.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Trans] Summary of DISCUSS items for draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis X-BeenThere: trans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Public Notary Transparency working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 22:51:10 -0000 On Wed, 3 Jun 2020, Salz, Rich wrote: > By "compare the two timelines," I meant look at TLS 1.3 draft history and TRANS draft history. If it doesn't mean anything to others, that's fine. > > I still maintain this is cruelty. But then, I'm not an author, nor a WG member, nor an ex-chair. I'm going to poke the right people to get those DISCUSS items cleared. As a chair, I should have picked this up sooner. My apologies to everyone. 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Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:01:57 -0400 Received: from MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb]) by MORRIS.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([fe80::555b:9498:552e:d1bb%13]) with mapi id 15.01.1979.003; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:01:57 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: "Salz, Rich" , Paul Wouters CC: "trans@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Trans] Summary of DISCUSS items for draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis Thread-Index: AQHWOcSINEoBTpOxqkWyZwlkW4aJCajHJvRQgABQw4CAAEq3AIAABoSAgACzrNA= Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:01:57 +0000 Message-ID: <07f45fd80e9945a384c46832758cccfa@cert.org> References: <0326AF38-C3C7-43D8-824F-31D0E9879564@akamai.com> <847f0ed9ec8c4dbe9233b386b1af3ef3@cert.org> <53BD0D75-D08B-4EDC-A3DC-43627ABBDF34@akamai.com> <7152B644-1CD5-474F-BE73-46ACD9EF4108@akamai.com> In-Reply-To: <7152B644-1CD5-474F-BE73-46ACD9EF4108@akamai.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.202.162] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Trans] Summary of DISCUSS items for draft-ietf-trans-rfc6962-bis X-BeenThere: trans@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Public Notary Transparency working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 14:02:11 -0000 Hi Rich! > -----Original Message----- > From: Trans On Behalf Of Salz, Rich > Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 7:14 PM > To: Paul Wouters ; Salz, Rich > > Cc: trans@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Trans] Summary of DISCUSS items for draft-ietf-trans-rfc696= 2-bis >=20 > > I'm going to poke the right people to get those DISCUSS items cleare= d. >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > And I apologize to Roman if my comments could have been taken as personal > criticism; that wasn't my intent. In fact, he deserves thanks for picking= this up. Thanks, but no apology is needed -- I didn't take it that way. Frankly, I'= m appreciative of the passion and interest. It's exactly what we need to c= lose this work. Roman