From hartmans@mit.edu Mon Nov 4 17:07:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C63711E8317 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:07:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PH8V8f5-qQdK for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9503411E831A for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E374620529 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pUcj10kierd0 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (dhcp-9540.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.149.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:04:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id CC3C487F99; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:07:13 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Hartman To: trust-router@ietf.org Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:05:31 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 01:07:21 -0000 Hi. It would be valuable to get together and try and run through a discussion of what issues it would be most useful to document soon. I am available Tuesday dinner, Wednesday and Thursday lunch. I'm not free Tuesday lunch. Rhys prefers Wednesday lunch. --Sam From ietf@augustcellars.com Mon Nov 4 18:52:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB6311E8350 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mzPRAPFQY0dQ for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA6511E8275 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Philemon (dhcp-a059.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.160.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jimsch@nwlink.com) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 935FE38F03; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Sam Hartman'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:50:42 -0800 Message-ID: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHfGLGEstu/aZs6DQjG8y74G2MFJ5n1cg5Q Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 02:52:16 -0000 I am open on Tues Dinner and Thurs Dinner Not free Tues Lunch, Wed Lunch or Thurs Lunch Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: trust-router-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trust-router-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Sam Hartman > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 5:06 PM > To: trust-router@ietf.org > Subject: [Trust-router] Getting together > > > > Hi. It would be valuable to get together and try and run through a discussion > of what issues it would be most useful to document soon. I am available > Tuesday dinner, Wednesday and Thursday lunch. > I'm not free Tuesday lunch. > > Rhys prefers Wednesday lunch. > > --Sam > _______________________________________________ > trust-router mailing list > trust-router@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router From Smith@cardiff.ac.uk Mon Nov 4 19:02:52 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD27021E8303 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:02:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T1sKoeEsBwwn for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3lp0081.outbound.protection.outlook.com [213.199.154.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D4321E82F9 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:02:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.81.150) by AMSPR02MB021.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.81.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.815.6; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 03:02:43 +0000 Received: from AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.152]) by AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.235]) with mapi id 15.00.0815.000; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 03:02:43 +0000 From: Rhys Smith To: Jim Schaad Thread-Topic: [Trust-router] Getting together Thread-Index: AQHO2cNmDy3xUb5RK0Kfd17DyiCf5JoV8BsAgAADUoA= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 03:02:42 +0000 Message-ID: <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [31.133.152.146] x-forefront-prvs: 0021920B5A x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(252514010)(24454002)(13464003)(199002)(189002)(51704005)(377454003)(53824002)(81686001)(19580395003)(83322001)(19580405001)(36756003)(63696002)(69226001)(82746002)(2656002)(80976001)(15975445006)(66066001)(83072001)(79102001)(74366001)(77982001)(81816001)(76482001)(51856001)(74876001)(81342001)(54316002)(46102001)(56776001)(47976001)(50986001)(74482001)(4396001)(31966008)(47446002)(74502001)(74662001)(47736001)(49866001)(80022001)(65816001)(33656001)(77096001)(59766001)(56816003)(76796001)(76786001)(81542001)(85306002)(83716003)(54356001)(53806001)(74706001)(87266001)(80792004); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:AMSPR02MB021; H:AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:31.133.152.146; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8FB9FB02-276C-426B-A257-5716105F65B4"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: cardiff.ac.uk Cc: Sam Hartman , "" Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 03:02:53 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8FB9FB02-276C-426B-A257-5716105F65B4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay, looks like Tuesday dinner is the winner! -- Dr Rhys Smith Identity, Access, and Middleware Specialist Cardiff University & Janet - the UK's research and education network email: smith@cardiff.ac.uk / rhys.smith@ja.net GPG: 0xDE2F024C On 4 Nov 2013, at 18:50, Jim Schaad wrote: > I am open on Tues Dinner and Thurs Dinner > Not free Tues Lunch, Wed Lunch or Thurs Lunch > > Jim > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: trust-router-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trust-router-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf Of Sam Hartman >> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 5:06 PM >> To: trust-router@ietf.org >> Subject: [Trust-router] Getting together >> >> >> >> Hi. It would be valuable to get together and try and run through a > discussion >> of what issues it would be most useful to document soon. I am available >> Tuesday dinner, Wednesday and Thursday lunch. >> I'm not free Tuesday lunch. >> >> Rhys prefers Wednesday lunch. >> >> --Sam >> _______________________________________________ >> trust-router mailing list >> trust-router@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router > > _______________________________________________ > trust-router mailing list > trust-router@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router --Apple-Mail=_8FB9FB02-276C-426B-A257-5716105F65B4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlJ4X9EACgkQ3fEsO94vAkyKygCeJ2aK0hXr6I9NPz8nQejkwfsO uUEAn1CLwF0t9cy2KJ0CJMm0uvJVxDws =HcS/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8FB9FB02-276C-426B-A257-5716105F65B4-- From klaas@wierenga.net Mon Nov 4 23:00:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22F911E821C for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 23:00:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pWvbrtlhAobg for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 23:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from out23-ams.mf.surf.net (out23-ams.mf.surf.net [145.0.1.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49B411E81FE for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 23:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from teletubbie.het.net.je (teletubbie.het.net.je [192.87.110.29]) by outgoing1-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id rA56x5qS027952; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:59:05 +0100 Received: from 173-38-208-169.cisco.com ([173.38.208.169] helo=[10.61.68.80]) by teletubbie.het.net.je with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1VdaYw-000FSU-Su; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 07:56:32 +0100 References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11B511) From: Klaas Wierenga Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 22:58:38 -0800 To: Rhys Smith X-Antivirus: no malware found X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=192.87.110.29; country=NL; latitude=52.5000; longitude=5.7500; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.5000,5.7500&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: p-out:default (inherits from p:default,base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0uKJGX5RQ - 2c93c39d2bdc - 20131105 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) Cc: Sam Hartman , Jim Schaad , "" Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 07:00:23 -0000 Alas, i can not make Tuesday dinner. But i am happy with an update on wednes= day from one of the attendees. Klaas Sent from my iPad > On 4 nov. 2013, at 19:02, Rhys Smith wrote: >=20 > Okay, looks like Tuesday dinner is the winner! > -- > Dr Rhys Smith > Identity, Access, and Middleware Specialist > Cardiff University & Janet - the UK's research and education network >=20 > email: smith@cardiff.ac.uk / rhys.smith@ja.net > GPG: 0xDE2F024C >=20 >> On 4 Nov 2013, at 18:50, Jim Schaad wrote: >>=20 >> I am open on Tues Dinner and Thurs Dinner >> Not free Tues Lunch, Wed Lunch or Thurs Lunch >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: trust-router-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:trust-router-bounces@ietf.or= g] >>> On Behalf Of Sam Hartman >>> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 5:06 PM >>> To: trust-router@ietf.org >>> Subject: [Trust-router] Getting together >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi. It would be valuable to get together and try and run through a >> discussion >>> of what issues it would be most useful to document soon. I am available= >>> Tuesday dinner, Wednesday and Thursday lunch. >>> I'm not free Tuesday lunch. >>>=20 >>> Rhys prefers Wednesday lunch. >>>=20 >>> --Sam >>> _______________________________________________ >>> trust-router mailing list >>> trust-router@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> trust-router mailing list >> trust-router@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router >=20 > _______________________________________________ > trust-router mailing list > trust-router@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router From hartmans@painless-security.com Tue Nov 5 06:22:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124C611E81BD for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 06:22:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hhdd2f9E+6O8 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 06:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32BCD11E8108 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 06:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA1C2052D; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O5rul2nwAQrS; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (dhcp-9540.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.149.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id AA9AF831A4; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:22:37 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Hartman To: Rhys Smith References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:22:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> (Rhys Smith's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2013 03:02:42 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Jim Schaad , "" Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 14:22:47 -0000 OK, is anyone besides Rhys, Jim and myself attending? Any diet or other constraints? Are we looking at areservation say for 19:15? --Sam From aland@deployingradius.com Tue Nov 5 07:43:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAC711E8121 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:43:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.694 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.694 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.509, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7VvSzDclB8F4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.freeradius.org (power.freeradius.org [88.190.25.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E4021E8094 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by power.freeradius.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FC52240137; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:42:34 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at power.freeradius.org Received: from power.freeradius.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (power.freeradius.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id My04wsu+2IFk; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:42:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [31.133.151.80] (dhcp-9750.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.151.80]) by power.freeradius.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 599ED22400AF; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 16:42:31 +0100 (CET) References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <14DDF509-A0A2-4C09-8544-50F9B4DEB15E@deployingradius.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Alan DeKok Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 07:42:30 -0800 To: Sam Hartman Cc: Rhys Smith , Jim Schaad , "" Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:43:01 -0000 I'll be there. I eat anything that isn't still moving.=20 Sent from my iPhone On 2013-11-05, at 6:22 AM, Sam Hartman wrot= e: > OK, is anyone besides Rhys, Jim and myself attending? >=20 > Any diet or other constraints? >=20 > Are we looking at areservation say for 19:15? >=20 > --Sam > _______________________________________________ > trust-router mailing list > trust-router@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router From odonoghue@isoc.org Tue Nov 5 09:56:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760AA21E81B3 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:56:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.384 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.384 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GDRLLPkLtsy3 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp153.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp153.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.153]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CC821E8195 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 09:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp32.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 08A73503B6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:56:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp32.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: odonoghue-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id BB6D6503E8 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 12:56:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5279313C.4040607@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:56:12 -0800 From: Karen O'Donoghue Organization: ISOC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: trust-router@ietf.org References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: odonoghue@isoc.org List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:56:22 -0000 I would like to add myself as tentative. I may have a conflict depending on the results of my working group later today. Regards, Karen On 11/5/13 6:22 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: > OK, is anyone besides Rhys, Jim and myself attending? > > Any diet or other constraints? > > Are we looking at areservation say for 19:15? > > --Sam > _______________________________________________ > trust-router mailing list > trust-router@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router From Smith@cardiff.ac.uk Tue Nov 5 11:20:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3CE11E820F for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:20:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W3YjBCn3jKJS for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from emea01-db3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-db3lp0081.outbound.protection.outlook.com [213.199.154.81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4848511E8110 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.81.150) by AMSPR02MB024.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com (10.242.81.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.815.6; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:19:46 +0000 Received: from AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.152]) by AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.8.235]) with mapi id 15.00.0815.000; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:19:46 +0000 From: Rhys Smith To: Sam Hartman Thread-Topic: [Trust-router] Getting together Thread-Index: AQHO2jJ5Dy3xUb5RK0Kfd17DyiCf5JoXA4WA Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 19:19:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [2001:67c:370:152:7d50:d1ac:8097:309b] x-forefront-prvs: 0021920B5A x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(24454002)(189002)(51704005)(199002)(252514010)(83072001)(33656001)(81816001)(81686001)(87266001)(36756003)(76796001)(76786001)(56816003)(77096001)(83716003)(2656002)(19580405001)(85306002)(83322001)(80976001)(74502001)(74706001)(76482001)(19580395003)(79102001)(74482001)(82746002)(47446002)(74662001)(51856001)(31966008)(59766001)(74366001)(81542001)(77982001)(56776001)(54316002)(80022001)(63696002)(65816001)(54356001)(46102001)(81342001)(47736001)(4396001)(69226001)(50986001)(47976001)(49866001)(53806001)(74876001)(3826001)(80792004); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:AMSPR02MB024; H:AMSPR02MB022.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com; CLIP:2001:67c:370:152:7d50:d1ac:8097:309b; FPR:; RD:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DBA2D0CF-91D0-47B3-BC73-EABE30F871D0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: cardiff.ac.uk Cc: Jim Schaad , "" Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:20:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DBA2D0CF-91D0-47B3-BC73-EABE30F871D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 19.30 better for me. -- Dr Rhys Smith Identity, Access, and Middleware Specialist Cardiff University & Janet - the UK's research and education network email: smith@cardiff.ac.uk / rhys.smith@ja.net GPG: 0xDE2F024C On 5 Nov 2013, at 06:22, Sam Hartman wrote: > OK, is anyone besides Rhys, Jim and myself attending? > > Any diet or other constraints? > > Are we looking at areservation say for 19:15? > > --Sam --Apple-Mail=_DBA2D0CF-91D0-47B3-BC73-EABE30F871D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlJ5RNAACgkQ3fEsO94vAkxeBQCgjT6atvjKfwr3MueLENDkoS4q iwQAnjw1Mfacii9UrGBbnHlQcVFqZ5A2 =aPJy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_DBA2D0CF-91D0-47B3-BC73-EABE30F871D0-- From aland@deployingradius.com Tue Nov 5 13:59:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0246221E8122 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:59:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.953, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T1H5MnnD3r5a for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from power.freeradius.org (power.freeradius.org [88.190.25.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E82021E816B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 13:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by power.freeradius.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF012240137; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 22:58:51 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at power.freeradius.org Received: from power.freeradius.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (power.freeradius.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t9sd9nH8jzEM; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 22:58:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from dhcp-b4f6.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b4f6.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.180.246]) by power.freeradius.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D6FE2240087; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 22:58:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <52796A11.10400@deployingradius.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:58:41 -0800 From: Alan DeKok User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Macintosh/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Hartman References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Rhys Smith , Jim Schaad , "" Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 21:59:29 -0000 The reservation is for: Joe Fortes 7:30pm http://www.joefortes.ca/ 777 Thurlow We can meet in the lobby at 7:15 in the hotel lobby. We'll walk from there. It's about a block and a half away from the hotel. South to W George, right, to Thurlow, and left on Thurlow. Alan DeKok. From odonoghue@isoc.org Tue Nov 5 18:01:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E53721E812B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:01:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.104, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tT3Hq9675Wzb for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp151.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp151.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.151]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6402321F9D94 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp25.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 10DBE2D06AE for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 21:01:46 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp25.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: odonoghue-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id B4C0B2D03B5 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 21:01:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5279A304.5020104@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 18:01:40 -0800 From: Karen O'Donoghue Organization: ISOC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: trust-router@ietf.org References: <016d01ced9d1$d36384f0$7a2a8ed0$@augustcellars.com> <55823737-5913-48AD-BED5-6EECFC8DB7A7@cardiff.ac.uk> <5279313C.4040607@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <5279313C.4040607@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Getting together X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: odonoghue@isoc.org List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 02:01:54 -0000 Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend. Karen On 11/5/13 9:56 AM, Karen O'Donoghue wrote: > I would like to add myself as tentative. I may have a conflict > depending on the results of my working group later today. > > Regards, > Karen > > On 11/5/13 6:22 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: >> OK, is anyone besides Rhys, Jim and myself attending? >> >> Any diet or other constraints? >> >> Are we looking at areservation say for 19:15? >> >> --Sam >> _______________________________________________ >> trust-router mailing list >> trust-router@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router > From hartmans@painless-security.com Fri Nov 8 12:49:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB7B11E80EC for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:49:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XVDUQrOseIEZ for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.painless-security.com (mail.painless-security.com [23.30.188.241]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2C911E81D0 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E1D20503 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.painless-security.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.suchdamage.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S209EGS-lUWQ for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (unknown [64.88.227.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.painless-security.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 4A0858352D; Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:49:06 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Hartman To: trust-router@ietf.org Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:49:06 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Trust-router] Trust Router Dinner Summary X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:49:48 -0000 Jim, Rhys, Alan and myself met for dinner Tuesday Agenda: * go over comments made at the London and Warwick discussions * Review what is most needed for ongoing review of the work Jim wanted to understand the comments David made in London about the trust model. We went over those (at least to the best of my understanding) Then we discussed current document status. Jim and Alan said that an updated high-level document with a good definitions section would be critical to others understanding the work. Alan would especially like a walk-through of what happens when a subject authenticates to an RP in our model. Jim said that he really needs sample message flows including JSON both for the temporary identity protocol and for the routing exchange in order to evaluate those protocols. he said that for his technical evaluation that's higher priority than the high-level description. From alex@um.es Sat Nov 9 01:00:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: trust-router@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FE521F9FF3 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 01:00:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4H8-Im-G5cU5 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 01:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from xenon11.um.es (xenon11.um.es [155.54.212.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2F921F9D28 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 01:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon11.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F58553EAC for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:00:32 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon11.um.es Received: from xenon11.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon11.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id dxdh3YLKOKwN for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:00:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.10.2] (84.124.131.72.dyn.user.ono.com [84.124.131.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: alex) by xenon11.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B252253C52 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2013 10:00:31 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <527DF9AE.7020701@um.es> Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 10:00:30 +0100 From: Alejandro Perez Mendez User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: trust-router@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Trust-router] Trust Router Dinner Summary X-BeenThere: trust-router@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "ABFAB Trust Router discussion list." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2013 09:00:38 -0000 Hello, I agree with Jim. I would really appreciate a document describing both protocols exchanges, with examples. I think that's really needed, since when I read the draft(s) a few weeks ago, the general idea was more or less clear, but I expected more detail of description from something that it's actually implemented. Regards, Alejandro > > Jim, Rhys, Alan and myself met for dinner Tuesday > > Agenda: > > * go over comments made at the London and Warwick discussions > * Review what is most needed for ongoing review of the work > > Jim wanted to understand the comments David made in London about the > trust model. We went over those (at least to the best of my > understanding) > > Then we discussed current document status. > > Jim and Alan said that an updated high-level document with a good > definitions section would be critical to others understanding the work. > Alan would especially like a walk-through of what happens when a subject > authenticates to an RP in our model. > Jim said that he really needs sample message flows including JSON both > for the temporary identity protocol and for the routing exchange in > order to evaluate those protocols. > he said that for his technical evaluation that's higher priority than > the high-level description. > _______________________________________________ > trust-router mailing list > trust-router@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trust-router