From nobody Fri Apr 4 18:10:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F8B1A030F; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PrB_3a9yPmz7; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7B61A0035; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 18:10:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1284; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1396660226; x=1397869826; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=kPcPWBMaYgkSSdUg+qa1uLmg6YtaMkFKqIjtAWmxbKk=; b=k02OD54QsgQY+JSJtZsn4VQLYyaOwru3WzLk28gvifAMvvOp3xjzh1ic WEPRBadrCTp5fFCP45vvivJQhbf8kgS4+oDcPwIha/6qcX7Gy3RPCxDRv NU2YKD7Hq2oECmeKvOsC/0aEEkV06UAmwQInm/mBk/scUy7ia6oMbo1qA Q=; X-Files: signature.asc : 195 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8FAP5WP1OtJV2Z/2dsb2JhbABPCoMGgRLEEIEjFnSCJQEBAQMBeQULAgEIRjIlAgQOBQ6HYwjQJReOFVwHgySBFAEDkF+BNYZHkj+DMIIr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,798,1389744000"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="315215420" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2014 01:10:25 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com [173.37.183.80]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s351APYv031584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Sat, 5 Apr 2014 01:10:25 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x09.cisco.com ([169.254.9.247]) by xhc-rcd-x06.cisco.com ([173.37.183.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 20:10:25 -0500 From: "Fred Baker (fred)" To: "Eggert, Lars" Subject: Re: AD sponsoring draft-masotta-tftpexts-windowsize-opt-09 Thread-Topic: AD sponsoring draft-masotta-tftpexts-windowsize-opt-09 Thread-Index: AQHPUGvSyTebJDq+aE+hBuuPkglZLw== Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 01:10:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <53222FC1.7040009@bogus.com> <769950FD-3E19-41E8-8698-B31A45F57657@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <769950FD-3E19-41E8-8698-B31A45F57657@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.19.64.115] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FBF46E44-B49A-4CE6-8EF7-F9FF18F71838"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tsv-area/huR_0NSVadupXR9YwFv7U46eBhM Cc: Joel Jaeggli , "tsv-area@ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , Martin Stiemerling X-BeenThere: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Transport and Services Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 01:10:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FBF46E44-B49A-4CE6-8EF7-F9FF18F71838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Mar 13, 2014, at 11:50 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > have there been any substantive changes addressing the lack of = congestion control? If I recall correctly, that was the critical issue = in the past. (The diff at the URL below doesn't seem to do that.) The draft refers to RFC 5405, and indicates that while the specification = doesn=92t identify an upper bound on loss, any given implementation = should. For a single-packet-outstanding protocol, what would you like to see in = congestion control? At most, I could imagine a comment on exponential = backoff... --Apple-Mail=_FBF46E44-B49A-4CE6-8EF7-F9FF18F71838 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iD8DBQFTP1f+bjEdbHIsm0MRArwcAJ9T7Ax56+oAFP7X9OGLR3kikXFw8gCg7w1t izBr0BT5oUmJR0sP8ERLmhA= =0r4W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_FBF46E44-B49A-4CE6-8EF7-F9FF18F71838-- From nobody Sat Apr 5 01:25:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C151A038C; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 01:25:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AYVorR1LlBco; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 01:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B148A1A0384; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 01:25:30 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.97,799,1389772800"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="81050361" Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2014 01:25:25 -0700 Received: from SACEXCMBX01-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.2.246]) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 01:25:24 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "Fred Baker (fred)" Subject: Re: AD sponsoring draft-masotta-tftpexts-windowsize-opt-09 Thread-Topic: AD sponsoring draft-masotta-tftpexts-windowsize-opt-09 Thread-Index: AQHPPwrgG9TCO+0oCkqdjEnmNpnX/5rgmrEAgCI0NgCAAHmJgA== Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 08:25:23 +0000 Message-ID: <06D7466E-D63A-4630-8A35-3621DD16710C@netapp.com> References: <53222FC1.7040009@bogus.com> <769950FD-3E19-41E8-8698-B31A45F57657@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.122.105.21] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_35B1F886-0E05-46EA-8540-D5648EEBCFC5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tsv-area/k4qvkZ2BIq2XsCvnk5THMW4XWWA Cc: Joel Jaeggli , "tsv-area@ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , Martin Stiemerling X-BeenThere: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Transport and Services Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 08:25:35 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_35B1F886-0E05-46EA-8540-D5648EEBCFC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 2014-4-5, at 3:10, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: > For a single-packet-outstanding protocol, what would you like to see = in congestion control? At most, I could imagine a comment on exponential = backoff... This extension takes TFTP way beyond "single-packet outstanding". That's = what all the concern is about. Lars --Apple-Mail=_35B1F886-0E05-46EA-8540-D5648EEBCFC5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUz+989ZcnpRveo1xAQJkEAP/S7Tfv0Bcy3HBcb535Iu162CWWylFOEHi lRU0maPlB9/uc2cghgUr4kmzMSLOcIz6VCXiMUcMRmC6kn4QrhnKky7xzMquU2iU JjSf2EJJ4MbuycxpG1Qbms+htn+Vok+cVbUx6tRNn4MBB9f7XOt5W3trpWFAqXEk 29/9loDNXmU= =1AUZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_35B1F886-0E05-46EA-8540-D5648EEBCFC5-- From nobody Thu Apr 10 11:28:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39C231A01F2; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.273 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.273 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.272, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8AjnWe0RIjHg; 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Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:44:11 -0400 From: "Black, David" To: "tsv-area@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:44:08 -0400 Subject: FW: WG Action: Formed DiffServ Applied to Real-time Transports (dart) Thread-Topic: WG Action: Formed DiffServ Applied to Real-time Transports (dart) Thread-Index: Ac9bRjHapB9e9BasTAiZjwr3xq+g6wDLcXcg Message-ID: <8D3D17ACE214DC429325B2B98F3AE712076C2EC8F1@MX15A.corp.emc.com> References: <20140418203825.19855.70363.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140418203825.19855.70363.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tsv-area/oAB_iW6uKF7JksI4OpHIJc2Cf08 X-BeenThere: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Transport and Services Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 21:44:33 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: IETF-Announce [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Th= e IESG Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 4:38 PM To: IETF-Announce Cc: dart WG Subject: WG Action: Formed DiffServ Applied to Real-time Transports (dart) A new IETF working group has been formed in the Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area. For additional information please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chair. DiffServ Applied to Real-time Transports (dart) ------------------------------------------------ Current Status: Proposed WG Chairs: Ben Campbell Technical advisors: Martin Stiemerling Assigned Area Director: Richard Barnes Mailing list Address: dart@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dart Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dart/ Charter: Differentiated Services (DiffServ) and DiffServ code points (DSCP) can be used in some situations to provide quality of service (QoS). Packets with different markings can be reordered, which can cause poor interaction with a transport protocol that is sensitive to reordering. When RTP streams or other real-time media (sub-)flows are used with different DSCP values with the same transport 5-tuple, there may be transport protocol interactions. There are also environments where the DSCP markings are removed or remarked. This WG will write a document that explains the limitations that exist with DiffServ when used with RTP in general as well in the specific RTCWeb cases. The WG will coordinate with relevant WGs, including TSVWG, AVTCORE, MMUSIC, CLUE, RTCWEB, and RMCAT. Milestones: Aug 2014 - Send Informational draft to IESG on DiffServ usage consideration