From nobody Tue Jan 10 09:36:37 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F77B129D46 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:36:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cCnIzhiRX0G4 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from kuehlewind.net (kuehlewind.net [83.169.45.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48110129762 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 09:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5913 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2017 18:36:30 +0100 Received: from public-docking-pat-etx-mapped-0007.ethz.ch (HELO ?10.2.112.247?) (195.176.110.232) by kuehlewind.net with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 10 Jan 2017 18:36:30 +0100 From: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Subject: Protocol transition in practice Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 18:36:30 +0100 To: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Cc: tsv-chairs@ietf.org, Dave Thaler X-BeenThere: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Transport and Services Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 17:36:34 -0000 Hi tsv chairs, hi all, in the last two tsv-area meetings we had short presentations from Dave = Thaler and Brian Trammell on = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-protocol-transitions and = subsequently some very interesting and fruitful discussion(s) about = transition techniques and, I guess, lessons learnt in transport. As far = as we can see, some of this feedback was incorporated in the latest = version of the draft which is great. Thanks all!=20 Given that the draft seems to be in very good shape, we would be = interested in getting feedback on the application of these principles in = practice. This means we would like to encourage the tsv chairs to have = another look at the draft and see if these principle can be or already = have been applied in your working group. If you have applied this or = planning to, please share your experience with others! Or if you have = any questions on how to apply these principles to your working group, = please start a discussion now. This mail was send to the tsv-area as well as tsv-chairs list, given we = wanted to make sure we reach especially all chairs. Please reply for = this discussion to the tsv-area list only (expect of course you actually = have an issue that you would prefer to discuss with chairs only first). Also if you happen to read the draft and have any concrete feedback on = the content or wording of the draft, please send review comments to Dave = Thaler directly (as the editor) or use the stackevo-discuss list for = general discussion on the draft. Thanks! Mirja and Spencer= From nobody Tue Jan 10 14:53:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009BB12960F; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:53:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a2bOvI_iIF3W; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5BBF1295D5; Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.9.160.81] (nib.isi.edu [128.9.160.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id v0AMrFWG000043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:53:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Protocol transition in practice To: "Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)" , tsv-area@ietf.org References: From: Joe Touch Message-ID: <03637f36-f808-e7cd-31d6-d2312d7c829c@isi.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 14:53:14 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: touch@isi.edu Archived-At: Cc: tsv-chairs@ietf.org, Dave Thaler X-BeenThere: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Transport and Services Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 22:53:30 -0000 FYI - I just posted my comments to the stackevo list. This doc is a start, but there are a lot of issues to add, IMO - as noted there. Joe On 1/10/2017 9:36 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: > Hi tsv chairs, hi all, > > in the last two tsv-area meetings we had short presentations from Dave Thaler and Brian Trammell on https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-protocol-transitions and subsequently some very interesting and fruitful discussion(s) about transition techniques and, I guess, lessons learnt in transport. As far as we can see, some of this feedback was incorporated in the latest version of the draft which is great. Thanks all! > > Given that the draft seems to be in very good shape, we would be interested in getting feedback on the application of these principles in practice. This means we would like to encourage the tsv chairs to have another look at the draft and see if these principle can be or already have been applied in your working group. If you have applied this or planning to, please share your experience with others! Or if you have any questions on how to apply these principles to your working group, please start a discussion now. > > This mail was send to the tsv-area as well as tsv-chairs list, given we wanted to make sure we reach especially all chairs. Please reply for this discussion to the tsv-area list only (expect of course you actually have an issue that you would prefer to discuss with chairs only first). > > Also if you happen to read the draft and have any concrete feedback on the content or wording of the draft, please send review comments to Dave Thaler directly (as the editor) or use the stackevo-discuss list for general discussion on the draft. > > Thanks! > Mirja and Spencer