From nobody Fri Dec 29 13:17:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2B9127010 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:17:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OepNm9GJ14NK for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-x235.google.com (mail-yw0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9480A1243F3 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yw0-x235.google.com with SMTP id r205so9765847ywb.3 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:17:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=B96EgbVLYBUbfZAO15NZh4nyCdrw6s9g08a+8T3rrc4=; b=AFL6E6qmqjbOKxRSfwuxllsIa157EoOagwX31j/iXY9Ja7E2W647ccOmRksDBOReuU 33j4dWDg+R0CEuDfkKqx7SJIyDIuyGWDZxvhOMJfixoLr/Tpk61M6gnTcafiCokBvYB7 f/EV2yfv6J/n4Vlz9y/0W1SUP2Dy65P8o31rn0RAIYzr5dyNCt20f0RIOb9demUzlFRI rGsygIXGMhNymSw2HWo64WZhPUh7JfBzFc+A91csS6N4PL1eRDxc1fMOw7rn1h9a8moY rvcuZ56XecKAAwya/BCRIrOv/bM8nKWNid4AQGBTK5OlbekYzRCP+KqvwNnkYLIzcs0b q5zg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=B96EgbVLYBUbfZAO15NZh4nyCdrw6s9g08a+8T3rrc4=; b=bK0czFfftiKKJr6jdKIytMm4PQZuEKVKQJRvAqQ6L9T6oVs2jiNaCyhY/9LUPTHLZS Etos3pJyKH7Xc4USq9W3LKsib19vrRnllg4K9e76jtSV5xb9OT/jnx0x6y8k31M5pj/E Y+sIW4aC6PIzTPz7H/lSRK5qhcBcozclyqF4wk6AQ2Rj98eIM9Dt5msyvnQpdAGFkILC V5CGelXjgA9JXCfLgM+XBnRjNpxnZPe3hbQ1gQISIDG6AkzdKV6P6t6Mb6UwS6SoEWBu z/QXUnYUa0O6ZkXzPJ1eSJ5THe6jbO3YA5GLpFCt9jX6+12pWtQt3quolyQyfNEOYTDs zj6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLOXKkOMrWVPYR4mDLfF8lB73nU4VPAqZ3qeYGQlj4dDrWgPRZu Wjxuc8RKCfAxTskJuB53pJ8EVFLEmEb/bpjLM1xxmw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotoqvlRm6lvkINexl/noDTiydFNAzNMaJBBSmgRGZGquKnSx2YJlBjwDZdUpyl5CIe5zDVCLFJ7SUU2Q05xuUA= X-Received: by 10.13.248.2 with SMTP id i2mr27179321ywf.448.1514582242582; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:17:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.132.6 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 13:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:17:22 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Draft TSVAREA Minutes now available To: "tsv-area@ietf.org >> tsv-area@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c07f7f48d66b40561812887" Archived-At: X-BeenThere: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Transport and Services Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:17:25 -0000 --94eb2c07f7f48d66b40561812887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, they're late, but we didn't forget completely. Thanks, David Black, for your help with this! Minutes are at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/minutes-100-tsvarea/. Please let us know if there are any corrections or clarifications we should make. Thanks, Spencer and Mirja --94eb2c07f7f48d66b40561812887 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, they're late, but we didn't forget completely= .

Thanks, David Black, for your help with this!


Pl= ease let us know if there are any corrections or clarifications we should m= ake.

Thanks,

Spencer and = Mirja
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To follow up on a point raised st the meeting that hasn=E2=80=99t made it to= the list (fwiw, I would encourage anyone seeking volunteers or discussion t= o post to the list; I=E2=80=99m not the only one who doesn=E2=80=99t attend)= > Brian Carpenter pointed out that the protocol number registry has been the= subject of neglect for decades, and needs to be cleaned up. Not sure why. It=E2=80=99s useful to deprecate abandoned code points and pro= tocols, but we aren=E2=80=99t likely to reuse them for quite a while.=20 > If you're motivated to help with this, please contact Brian. Lars thinks t= hat's more work than is worth doing. Mirja agreed that this is a lot of work= , but she's in the process of cleaning up the port/service registry now, That is much less useful. The space is much larger and our current procedure= s have been very effective in conservation.=20 Not to mention that revocation is specifically =E2=80=9CNOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80= =9D in RFC 6335.=20 Joe=20 --Apple-Mail-DED0C37D-8BDF-4727-BBEA-0588C76A3EC1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Dec 2= 9, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, they're late, but we did= n't forget completely.

Thanks, David Black, for your help= with this!

=
Please let us know if there are any corrections or clarificat= ions we should make.

To follow up on a point raised st the meeting that has= n=E2=80=99t made it to the list (fwiw, I would encourage anyone seeking volu= nteers or discussion to post to the list; I=E2=80=99m not the only one who d= oesn=E2=80=99t attend)


Brian= Carpenter pointed out that the protocol number registry has been the subjec= t of neglect for decades, and needs to be cleaned up.

Not sure why. It=E2=80=99s useful to deprecate abandoned co= de points and protocols, but we aren=E2=80=99t likely to reuse them for quit= e a while. 

If you're motivated to help with this, pl= ease contact Brian. Lars thinks that's more work than is worth doing. Mirja a= greed that this is a lot of work, but she's in the process of cleaning up th= e port/service registry now,

That is much= less useful. The space is much larger and our current procedures have been v= ery effective in conservation. 

Not to mention= that revocation is specifically =E2=80=9CNOT RECOMMENDED=E2=80=9D in RFC 63= 35. 

Joe 


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