From DPKemp@missi.ncsc.mil Tue Apr 5 11:32:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237D63A696F for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:32:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HhGIXBZvXs7y for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.missi.ncsc.mil (stingray.missi.ncsc.mil [144.51.50.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D2F3A6853 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AUGUSTINE.missi.ncsc.mil (augustine.missi.ncsc.mil [144.51.60.33]) by stingray.missi.ncsc.mil with ESMTP id p35IYOYY018369; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DABECK.missi.ncsc.mil ([144.51.60.16]) by AUGUSTINE.missi.ncsc.mil with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:33:59 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:34:23 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9690854AFEABB548BBE27CB1615A876F0D1074D5FC@ESESSCMS0363.eemea.ericsson.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [urn] Secure naming of Information Objects Thread-Index: Acvvw7+dPJ7UpLgvTb28RWIJ/iO2SQD7XQlg References: <9690854AFEABB548BBE27CB1615A876F0D1074D5FC@ESESSCMS0363.eemea.ericsson.se> From: "Kemp, David P." To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2011 18:33:59.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[0789C190:01CBF3C0] Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6rje_Ohlman?= Subject: Re: [urn] Secure naming of Information Objects X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 18:32:46 -0000 Comments on http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrell-ni/: 1) I don't see the benefit of defining syntax without specifying any = requirements: We expect it will be beneficial for applications to be able to map between human-readable URIs and URIs that allow for validation of integrity the URI/resource mapping. However, in order to keep our scheme simple and more broadly applicable, all considerations for how to map between URIs and for how to access resources using these URIs are to be specified elsewhere. In this memo, we simply define a form of URI that can be used hopefully in many different contexts. The ABNF does not specify any syntax for "other-string", there are no = other requirements for "other-string", and there is no defined way to = map between an "other-string" and a hash-string. If all these things = are to be specified elsewhere, the value-add of this document saying = that an NI can be "ni://" followed by anything including maybe some more = slashes, is precisely zero. This document should define hash URIs only. If some other document = defines a mapping between hashes and something else, then the merits of = that mapping can be discussed in the context of that other document. 2) This (at the top of page 4) is bizarrely circular: Note that the "/" character from the MIME type MUST be percent encoded in order to conform to the ABNF below. That is = "application/ jpeg" will be presented as "application%2fjpeg". mime-type =3D type %2f subtype The ABNF could just as easily have been written using a slash, as RFC = 2045 defines content-type: content :=3D "Content-Type" ":" type "/" subtype and then the "/" character wouldn't have to be percent encoded. Is = there some reason the ABNF was written using a percent encoding for = slash? 3) Why would there be a need to register truncated hash algorithms? An = algorithm is an algorithm, and truncation is truncation - there is no = reason to register the cross-product of the two. The example: ni:///sha256:NDVmZTMzOGVkY2JjZGQ0ZmNmZGFlODQ5MjkyZDM0ZTg 2ZDI5YzllMmU5OTFlNmE2Mjc3ZTFhN2JhNmE4ZjVmMwo could just as easily be written: ni:///sha256:NDVmZTMz to specify the first 48 bits of the SHA256 hash value. I don't see the = value of a URI that does not uniquely identify a resource. But if there = is some scenario for which collisions are acceptable, there is no useful = extra information to be derived from a truncated hash identifier, e.g., = ni:///sha256-t48:NDVmZTMz. 4) In general, this draft seems light on specifics and heavy on = generalities. I would prefer to use the more mature = http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-thiemann-hash-urn-01.txt as the starting = point for defining hash-based names. Dave -----Original Message----- From: urn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:urn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = B=F6rje Ohlman Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:01 PM To: urn@ietf.org Subject: [urn] Secure naming of Information Objects As I mentioned at the WG meeting today we (people working on Information = Centric Networking) have done some work on how to name information = objects. We have noted that there are a number of working groups within = the IETF that , we think, could have use of such a common naming scheme, = e.g. PPSP, DECADE and CDNI. We think a common naming scheme within the = IETF would be useful. =20 Below you find links to two drafts that we have submitted on this = subject. It would be very valuable to have your comments on the ideas = presented in those drafts. Also suggestions on which would be the best = place within the IETF to work on such a common naming scheme would be = useful. =20 http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dannewitz-ppsp-secure-naming/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-farrell-ni/ =20 B=F6rje Ohlman =20 =20 From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Apr 5 15:06:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E945C3A67D2 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sskkQt-ufZuG for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (stpeter.im [207.210.219.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9F13A67F3 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-64-101-72-185.cisco.com (dhcp-64-101-72-185.cisco.com [64.101.72.185]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7C2A40022; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:10:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4D9B92C9.3040605@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:08:09 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pierre GODEFROY References: <4D906738.4010308@helsinki.fi> <43DF796D6D75094D82B6E0D5E3B7F553CE61B2@srvmail.issn.local> In-Reply-To: <43DF796D6D75094D82B6E0D5E3B7F553CE61B2@srvmail.issn.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: url=http://www.saint-andre.com/me/stpeter.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060104020603060101060309" Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [urn] Draft Agenda for URNBIS session at IETF 80 X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 22:06:31 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060104020603060101060309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pierre, thank you for your presentation in Prague. Because your brief talk did not include slides, perhaps you could post to the list about the topic? Thanks! Peter On 3/28/11 4:52 AM, Pierre GODEFROY wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Thanks to Juha Hakala for proposing an item on the revision of > rfc3044 (URN-ISSN). I do not know if this should/could be a formal > point. In any case I would only need 5 minutes to describe the > beginning of the process and its challenges; so I guess it could be > under AOB, if AOB in itself has sufficient time in itself. >=20 > See you all in Prague, >=20 > Pierre Godefroy Project Manager ISSN International Centre 45 rue de > Turbigo 75003 PARIS FRANCE +33 1 44 88 22 18 >=20 > -----Message d'origine----- De : Juha Hakala > [mailto:juha.hakala@helsinki.fi] Envoy=C3=A9 : lundi 28 mars 2011 12:47= =C3=80 > : Andrew Newton Cc : urn@ietf.org; Pierre GODEFROY Objet : Re: [urn] > Draft Agenda for URNBIS session at IETF 80 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > I have a few comments to the agenda. >=20 > Andrew Newton wrote: >> This has been uploaded to the datatracker tool, but I'm unsure how=20 >> long it will take to be reflected on the IETF meeting page. So here >> it is. >>=20 >> -andy >>=20 >> Draft URNBIS Working Agenda for IETF 80 >>=20 >> 1. Note Well 2. Agenda Bashing 4 minutes 32.9 seconds 3. Discussion >> of draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc2141bis-urn-00 20 minutes Andy Newton >> (tentative) 4. Discussion of >> draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc3406bis-urn-ns-reg-00 20 minutes Andy Newton >> (tentative) >=20 > Alfred Hoenes will be able to attend the meeting, and I assume that > he will be able to present both of these I-Ds. >=20 > If 40 minutes is all we have (see below), I would allocate 25 minutes > to 2141bis and 15 to 3406bis, since most of the discussion on the > list has concentrated on the URN syntax. But this is a bit academic; > we can be somewhat flexible with the timing. >=20 >> 5. Discussion of draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc3187bis-isbn-urn-00 20 >> mintues Juha Hakala 6. Discussion of >> draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc3188bis-isbn-urn-00 20 mintues Juha Hakala >=20 > The title of the latter presentation should be: >=20 > Discussion of draft-ietf-urnbis-rfc3188bis-nbn-urn-00 >=20 > Not sure if 20 minutes is needed (including the presentation and=20 > discussion); methinks that 10-15 minutes will be sufficient, so that > there is more time for those agenda items that are more challenging > (or to the following topic). From the point of view of the namespace > registrations, the key thing is to agree on URN syntax; after that > it will be trivial to add the missing bits to rfcs 3187 and 3188. >=20 > Pierre Godefroy (from the ISSN International Centre) might want to > say a few words about the revision of rfc3044, the namespace > registration for issn. But AOB may be enough for this for now; as far > as I am concerned it is up to Pierre to decide. >=20 >> 7. Presentation on URN extension for media content naming 10 >> minutes Feng Cao 8. Charter Discussion Andy Newton 10 minutes >=20 > 10 minutes should be sufficient for this discussion. The issue I will > bring up is not resolution as such, but resolution services (as > defined in rfc2483) since there is a gap between what is available > and what is needed by projects such as PersID, especially in the area > of metadata exchange. But in IETF 80 the aim is just to introduce the > problem, not to solve it. The first priority is to complete the > chartered tasks. >=20 > See you in Prague, >=20 > Juha >=20 >> 9. 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nordpol.ddb.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1EFD5C7B for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:31:27 +0200 Message-ID: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F313@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: AcwE/ktDUovusaKgTiuGMe+cVJcVqw== From: "Svensson, Lars" To: Subject: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:31:35 -0000 All, for those of us who couldn't make it to the WG meeting in Prague: Are there minutes available? I'm particularly interested in the outcome of the discussion about fragment identifiers. Thanks and all the best, Lars **** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. **** **** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** --=20 Dr. Lars G. Svensson Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik http://www.dnb.de/ l.svensson@dnb.de From ted.ietf@gmail.com Wed Apr 27 11:37:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7A1E07D8 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.904 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.904 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.694, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkDWj+nil9M2 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9204E07D4 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so1460655pzk.31 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:37:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6JdYI+vI5uvYVdBp1N/nfr+XJeK5B7sCrbBKDZtrY5A=; b=t1L/TWdGOrtdHl9aH4AUy3XM2xfIvCuv5XqZ4PHVk/UP8ol+9u9muxG3Z9vIxjBYJm l9Ns4sppdBGx+1sVdUkV8F6/Z8h1oMz5cf7JXFs/p3XB/+f5DdS6afx4zJ6EpdwRgk2k xebz0omYyQssl1OJS4tfBInKT9XO3PY84MvcE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=HEUC/GZ9YQYqA/ZdMsTludKhFLiVylOsAN+PrwRG0w0GILJTpEdqMk1F49kyAD+dgD odXlBqKVgTqfDABP7HAQdoXyXGyMZ27t1yLNdbgiZoKxdM+mWc/Fk7RMWCoCxlMxEg1G /qpU6kuR9c0SruqtSiVgp7JbKtGoQs6nokJgs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.39.39 with SMTP id m7mr2575173pbk.39.1303929419141; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.47.102 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:36:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F313@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> References: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F313@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:36:59 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ted Hardie To: "Svensson, Lars" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=bcaec520ea1bd7108604a1eab927 Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:37:03 -0000 --bcaec520ea1bd7108604a1eab927 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520ea1bd7107c04a1eab925 --bcaec520ea1bd7107c04a1eab925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I sent the raw notes to Andy some time ago; they're not quite in the format the IETF would expect (too much detail), but attached is what I took down. Others who have corrections, please speak up. regards, Ted Hardie On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Svensson, Lars wrote: > All, > > for those of us who couldn't make it to the WG meeting in Prague: Are > there minutes available? I'm particularly interested in the outcome of > the discussion about fragment identifiers. > > Thanks and all the best, > > Lars > > **** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. **** > **** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** > > -- > Dr. Lars G. Svensson > Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik > http://www.dnb.de/ > l.svensson@dnb.de > > > _______________________________________________ > urn mailing list > urn@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn > --bcaec520ea1bd7107c04a1eab925 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent the raw notes to Andy some time ago; they're not quite in the fo= rmat the IETF would expect (too much detail), but attached is what I took d= own. =A0Others who have corrections, please speak up.

re= gards,

Ted Hardie


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Svensson, Lars <L.Svensson@dnb.de> wrote:
All,

for those of us who couldn't make it to the WG meeting in Prague: Are there minutes available? I'm particularly interested in the outcome of<= br> the discussion about fragment identifiers.

Thanks and all the best,

Lars

=A0**** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. ****
=A0**** Please note my new internet- and email-address. ****

--
Dr. Lars G. Svensson
Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik
http://www.dnb.de/
l.svensson@dnb.de


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--bcaec520ea1bd7108604a1eab927-- From andy@hxr.us Wed Apr 27 12:29:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A454E0815 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rwLHJDJiJcwh for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D236DE06ED for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so1755111wyb.31 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.140.80 with SMTP id h16mr2522237wbu.127.1303932557189; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.209 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [192.149.252.5] In-Reply-To: References: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F313@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:29:17 -0400 Message-ID: From: Andrew Newton To: Ted Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:29:21 -0000 Thanks for the nudge, Ted. This had slipped my mind. Also, people should be aware that there is an audio recording of the session which can be found here: http://ietf80streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf80/ietf80-ch6-thurs-pm.mp3 -andy On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > I sent the raw notes to Andy some time ago; they're not quite in the form= at > the IETF would expect (too much detail), but attached is what I took down= . > =A0Others who have corrections, please speak up. > regards, > Ted Hardie > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Svensson, Lars wrot= e: >> >> All, >> >> for those of us who couldn't make it to the WG meeting in Prague: Are >> there minutes available? I'm particularly interested in the outcome of >> the discussion about fragment identifiers. >> >> Thanks and all the best, >> >> Lars >> >> =A0**** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. **** >> =A0**** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** >> >> -- >> Dr. Lars G. Svensson >> Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik >> http://www.dnb.de/ >> l.svensson@dnb.de >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> urn mailing list >> urn@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn > > > _______________________________________________ > urn mailing list > urn@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn > > From L.Svensson@dnb.de Thu Apr 28 02:34:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FE9E062A for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.505 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.745, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VvoK2th8EEel for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nordpol.ddb.de (nordpol.ddb.de [193.175.100.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D4EDE06DD for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE (unknown [10.69.63.214]) by nordpol.ddb.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129D0D5C6D; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:34:23 +0200 (CEST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:34:22 +0200 Message-ID: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F33E@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: AcwFChq8gJtzrf8ERcuRqe7OeFhs/AAfVIHw References: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F313@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> From: "Svensson, Lars" To: "Ted Hardie" Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:34:29 -0000 Ted, thanks a lot! Lars **** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. **** **** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** --=20 Dr. Lars G. Svensson Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik http://www.dnb.de/ l.svensson@dnb.de > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Ted Hardie [mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. April 2011 20:37 > An: Svensson, Lars > Cc: urn@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? >=20 > I sent the raw notes to Andy some time ago; they're not quite in the > format the IETF would expect (too much detail), but attached is what I > took down. Others who have corrections, please speak up. >=20 > regards, >=20 > Ted Hardie >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Svensson, Lars > wrote: >=20 >=20 > All, >=20 > for those of us who couldn't make it to the WG meeting in Prague: > Are > there minutes available? I'm particularly interested in the > outcome of > the discussion about fragment identifiers. >=20 > Thanks and all the best, >=20 > Lars >=20 > **** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. > **** > **** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** >=20 > -- > Dr. Lars G. Svensson > Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik > http://www.dnb.de/ > l.svensson@dnb.de >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > urn mailing list > urn@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn >=20 >=20 From L.Svensson@dnb.de Thu Apr 28 02:44:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686A1E0721 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.877 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.877 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Grm0pegaDfbr for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nordpol.ddb.de (nordpol.ddb.de [193.175.100.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 26D3BE0716 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 02:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE (unknown [10.69.63.214]) by nordpol.ddb.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF64D5C45; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:43:58 +0200 Message-ID: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F341@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? Thread-Index: AcwFEWfLI3vLVpMpQWitanFfL72UCwAdxCBg References: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F313@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> From: "Svensson, Lars" To: "Andrew Newton" , "Ted Hardie" Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:44:01 -0000 Andy, thanks for the link [1]. The host seems to be down, however, since none = of the links from the meeting website [2] work. [1] http://ietf80streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf80/ietf80-ch6-thurs-pm.mp3 [2] http://www.ietf.org/meeting/80/remote-participation.html#audio=20 /Lars **** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. **** **** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** --=20 Dr. Lars G. Svensson Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik http://www.dnb.de/ l.svensson@dnb.de > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Andrew Newton [mailto:andy@hxr.us] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. April 2011 21:29 > An: Ted Hardie > Cc: Svensson, Lars; urn@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? >=20 > Thanks for the nudge, Ted. This had slipped my mind. >=20 > Also, people should be aware that there is an audio recording of the > session which can be found here: > http://ietf80streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf80/ietf80-ch6-thurs-pm.mp3 >=20 > -andy >=20 > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ted Hardie = wrote: > > I sent the raw notes to Andy some time ago; they're not quite in the > format > > the IETF would expect (too much detail), but attached is what I took > down. > > =A0Others who have corrections, please speak up. > > regards, > > Ted Hardie > > > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Svensson, Lars > wrote: > >> > >> All, > >> > >> for those of us who couldn't make it to the WG meeting in Prague: > Are > >> there minutes available? I'm particularly interested in the outcome > of > >> the discussion about fragment identifiers. > >> > >> Thanks and all the best, > >> > >> Lars > >> > >> =A0**** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. = **** > >> =A0**** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** > >> > >> -- > >> Dr. Lars G. Svensson > >> Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik > >> http://www.dnb.de/ > >> l.svensson@dnb.de > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> urn mailing list > >> urn@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > urn mailing list > > urn@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn > > > > From andy@hxr.us Fri Apr 29 07:09:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60C3E0761 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:09:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JsvsnfrKGBxy for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:09:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901F2E0659 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so3314583wyb.31 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.37.220 with SMTP id y28mr902742wbd.82.1304086138722; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.209 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 07:08:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [192.149.252.5] In-Reply-To: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F341@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> References: <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F313@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> <6DA97EFF2763174B8BDC409CA19729840D74F341@dbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:08:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Andrew Newton To: "Svensson, Lars" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:09:05 -0000 Lars, I have successfully pulled the mp3 down to my own server. I can provide you a link if you are still having issues pulling the mp3 from the IETF site. -andy On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Svensson, Lars wrote: > Andy, > > thanks for the link [1]. The host seems to be down, however, since none o= f the links from the meeting website [2] work. > > [1] http://ietf80streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf80/ietf80-ch6-thurs-pm.mp3 > [2] http://www.ietf.org/meeting/80/remote-participation.html#audio > > /Lars > > =A0**** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. **** > =A0**** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** > > -- > Dr. Lars G. Svensson > Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik > http://www.dnb.de/ > l.svensson@dnb.de > > >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Andrew Newton [mailto:andy@hxr.us] >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. April 2011 21:29 >> An: Ted Hardie >> Cc: Svensson, Lars; urn@ietf.org >> Betreff: Re: [urn] Are there minutes from the WG meeting in Prague? >> >> Thanks for the nudge, Ted. This had slipped my mind. >> >> Also, people should be aware that there is an audio recording of the >> session which can be found here: >> http://ietf80streaming.dnsalias.net/ietf80/ietf80-ch6-thurs-pm.mp3 >> >> -andy >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: >> > I sent the raw notes to Andy some time ago; they're not quite in the >> format >> > the IETF would expect (too much detail), but attached is what I took >> down. >> > =A0Others who have corrections, please speak up. >> > regards, >> > Ted Hardie >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Svensson, Lars >> wrote: >> >> >> >> All, >> >> >> >> for those of us who couldn't make it to the WG meeting in Prague: >> Are >> >> there minutes available? I'm particularly interested in the outcome >> of >> >> the discussion about fragment identifiers. >> >> >> >> Thanks and all the best, >> >> >> >> Lars >> >> >> >> =A0**** Bitte beachten Sie die neue Internet- und E-Mail-Adresse. ***= * >> >> =A0**** Please note my new internet- and email-address. **** >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Lars G. Svensson >> >> Deutsche Nationalbibliothek / Informationstechnik >> >> http://www.dnb.de/ >> >> l.svensson@dnb.de >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> urn mailing list >> >> urn@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > urn mailing list >> > urn@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn >> > >> > > From andy@hxr.us Fri Apr 29 09:08:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBFDE06AD for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:08:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QPkdxxj++4IP for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63410E06A7 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:08:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so3400477wyb.31 for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:08:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.61.13 with SMTP id r13mr1032376wbh.52.1304093311095; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.142.209 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2011 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [192.149.252.5] Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:08:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Andrew Newton To: urn@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=20cf300255d68feb3104a210e2e9 Subject: [urn] IETF 80 Minutes X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about possible revisions to the definition of Uniform Resource Names List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 16:08:33 -0000 --20cf300255d68feb3104a210e2e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks to Ted for taking the minutes of our session at IETF 80. And more thanks to Ted for prodding me to get them submitted. Anyway, the minutes for our session at IETF 80 have been uploaded. However, it may take awhile for this to be reflected on the proceedings page. 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