From nobody Mon Feb 18 09:05:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E203A130FA6 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:05:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BwhHGcLVZSfQ for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.dnb.de (prodfix-out0.dnb.de [193.175.100.144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A1166130F3A for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnb-tmg.ad.ddb.de (tmg.dnb.de [10.69.66.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.dnb.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C40B4B0AA99; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:05:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from dnb-tmg.ad.ddb.de (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920D9A4052; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:05:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from dnb-tmg.ad.ddb.de (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8696FA4041; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:05:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from dnbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE (unknown [10.69.63.244]) by dnb-tmg.ad.ddb.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:05:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from dnbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE (10.69.63.244) by dnbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE (10.69.63.244) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.1.669.32; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:05:36 +0100 Received: from dnbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE ([fe80::3576:7565:4f15:49c7]) by dnbf-ex.AD.DDB.DE ([fe80::3576:7565:4f15:49c7%4]) with mapi id 15.01.0669.032; Mon, 18 Feb 2019 18:05:36 +0100 From: "Svensson, Lars" To: Eld Zierau , "Dale R. Worley" CC: "urn@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 Thread-Index: AdSuc3Sm32TiMBAVSZKSdHKbD7LiBAC8br3ABZFh66A= Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:05:36 +0000 Message-ID: <93d95097d40f4bd8becf1c7a8e056ca9@dnb.de> References: <0a8299a1afb643abb1466b4b0735c12c@dnb.de> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.69.66] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.1.0.1844-8.2.0.1013-24438.001 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: Yes X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.1.0.1844-8.2.1013-24438.001 X-TMASE-Result: 10--33.250200-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: oHOSwQSJZWioB6BkKpx1keqwWVBfMuvoKVrLOZD1BXSBqLTyK1GiKICu qghmtWfXwpGJd9opianlPWOZdnoFfLsl8Gv1eXkK84dsinZ5e1ghwKIIdklOV914Aqe8EzF8AXE lDDMv/IWObUP13PcwQ11qESfWFP1wUrRwa6Anwa6zj6VaBh3nAkf7kMPjhDK33ZVAVf5y7FLfjn 6if2bkuoL0WlVDcdaAOuQH+Rr8SYr6disVmE9U2IDqq/69Hfgs4B7aueLmU0BuYRyGErl9fM/kI BS+NhDEbxpGkjrVFQp2g4G1hrTnN66UR+fsf9oDtgGefYRQNet+Mk6ACsw4JuzbYbijQk/61Br5 wWX7YQ1F6DPgfY3NG3QHhmCJnEUN3KWgopAX5zWLzZSKyQypzOBgp+G3IXxrmdZHtQ2IQuy/Zcy s0JuWyOvDauY34IMLbAiFfaw5o6R/joQtSekNLJ4CIKY/Hg3AwcarCknM4yK2s0ar5ZAS9Ku6xV HLhqfxvECLuM+h4RB+3BndfXUhXQ== X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Revisions to URN RFCs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 17:05:48 -0000 Dear Eld, * 'precision-spec' values are not case sensitive (i.e. "PAGE" / "PART" / "PaGe" / ... are valid values as well.) On Monday, January 21, 2019 2:15 PM, Eld Zierau [mailto:elzi@kb.dk] wrote: > Is there any particular area you think needs approvement? Having re-read the I-D, I'd say that there are two areas still unclear to m= e: 1) The syntax specification says=20 * 'precision-spec' values are not case sensitive (i.e. "PAGE" / "PART" / "PaGe" / ... are valid values as well.) It says nothing about the other parts so I guess that case sensitiveness de= faults to the specification in RFC 8141 =A73 [1] which says that all parts = of URNs are case sensitive except for the string "urn" and the NID. It woul= d be helpful, though, if that was made explicit (including a reference to R= FC 8141 =A73). 2) The document refers to a (proposed) registry of archive names without gi= ving any particulars of where this will be set up and who will manage it. I= f you say that there currently is no information about that, that's fine, o= therwise it would be helpful to get more information on that (especially if= it's going to be operated by IANA). [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8141#section-3.1 Best, Lars =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Svensson, Lars > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:47 PM > To: Dale R. Worley ; Eld Zierau > Cc: urn@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID UR= N > version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 >=20 > Apologies for not commenting on this draft until now... >=20 > Version 4 of PWID has matured considerably compared to version 3 and I th= ink it > needs at the most one or two more iterations until it's ready for registr= ation. >=20 > I find the discussion about an IANA registry for names of web archives ve= ry > interesting and would support the creation of such a registry. The number= of such > archives will probably be of manageable size (about the same size as the = number of > national libraries...). >=20 > I also have a number of minor editorial issues but would wait with those = until the > contents of the draft are more stable. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Lars >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: urn [mailto:urn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dale R. Worley > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 2:02 AM > > To: Eld Zierau > > Cc: urn@ietf.org > > Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for > > changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 > > > > Eld Zierau writes: > > > Here is the promised Word file with differences between version 3 > > > and 4 > > > > > [2:application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.do > > > cument > > Show Save:PWID_from_V3_to_V4.docx (81kB)] > > > > Why not just give the URL to the datatracker's history page for the I-D= : > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pwid-urn-specification/history/ > > and the URL for the diff between v3 and v4, in the format that > > basically everybody in the IETF is familiar with: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-pwid-urn-specification-03&url= 2 > > =3Ddraft-pwid- > > urn-specification-04 > > > > Dale > > > > _______________________________________________ > > urn mailing list > > urn@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn From nobody Thu Feb 21 05:44:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2812130E67 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 05:44:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcxab0h4LYAR for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 05:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out12.electric.net (smtp-out12.electric.net [89.104.206.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCF3B1279E6 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 05:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1gwoea-000CxA-UK by out12b.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gwoea-000D01-Vz; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 05:44:44 -0800 Received: by emcmailer; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 05:44:44 -0800 Received: from [130.226.226.11] (helo=post.kb.dk) by out12b.electric.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gwoea-000CxA-UK; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 05:44:44 -0800 Received: from EXCH-01.kb.dk (unknown [10.5.0.111]) by post.kb.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5863913A17; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:44:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCH-02.kb.dk (10.5.0.112) by EXCH-01.kb.dk (10.5.0.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1591.10; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:44:44 +0100 Received: from EXCH-02.kb.dk ([fe80::b595:1a1f:5666:b29]) by EXCH-02.kb.dk ([fe80::b595:1a1f:5666:b29%7]) with mapi id 15.01.1591.008; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:44:43 +0100 From: Eld Zierau To: "Svensson, Lars" , "Dale R. Worley" CC: "urn@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 Thread-Index: AdSuc3Sm32TiMBAVSZKSdHKbD7LiBAC8br3ABZFh66AAkA1pQA== Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 13:44:43 +0000 Message-ID: <501212495b314470af17d3021e0cc33a@kb.dk> References: <0a8299a1afb643abb1466b4b0735c12c@dnb.de> <93d95097d40f4bd8becf1c7a8e056ca9@dnb.de> In-Reply-To: <93d95097d40f4bd8becf1c7a8e056ca9@dnb.de> Accept-Language: da-DK, en-US Content-Language: da-DK X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.226.229.95] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-IP: 130.226.226.11 X-Env-From: elzi@kb.dk X-Proto: esmtps X-Revdns: post-03.kb.dk X-HELO: post.kb.dk X-TLS: TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256 X-Authenticated_ID: X-PolicySMART: 10573177 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (s) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Revisions to URN RFCs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 13:44:54 -0000 Thank you Lars I expect to upload a new version next week which makes these clarifications Best regards, Eld -----Original Message----- From: Svensson, Lars =20 Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:06 PM To: Eld Zierau ; Dale R. Worley Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: RE: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN = version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 Dear Eld, * 'precision-spec' values are not case sensitive (i.e. "PAGE" / "PART" / "PaGe" / ... are valid values as well.) On Monday, January 21, 2019 2:15 PM, Eld Zierau [mailto:elzi@kb.dk] wrote: > Is there any particular area you think needs approvement? Having re-read the I-D, I'd say that there are two areas still unclear to m= e: 1) The syntax specification says * 'precision-spec' values are not case sensitive (i.e. "PAGE" / "PART" / "PaGe" / ... are valid values as well.) It says nothing a= bout the other parts so I guess that case sensitiveness defaults to the spe= cification in RFC 8141 =A73 [1] which says that all parts of URNs are case = sensitive except for the string "urn" and the NID. It would be helpful, tho= ugh, if that was made explicit (including a reference to RFC 8141 =A73). 2) The document refers to a (proposed) registry of archive names without gi= ving any particulars of where this will be set up and who will manage it. I= f you say that there currently is no information about that, that's fine, o= therwise it would be helpful to get more information on that (especially if= it's going to be operated by IANA). [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8141#section-3.1 Best, Lars =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Svensson, Lars > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:47 PM > To: Dale R. Worley ; Eld Zierau > Cc: urn@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID=20 > URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 >=20 > Apologies for not commenting on this draft until now... >=20 > Version 4 of PWID has matured considerably compared to version 3 and I=20 > think it needs at the most one or two more iterations until it's ready fo= r registration. >=20 > I find the discussion about an IANA registry for names of web archives=20 > very interesting and would support the creation of such a registry.=20 > The number of such archives will probably be of manageable size (about=20 > the same size as the number of national libraries...). >=20 > I also have a number of minor editorial issues but would wait with=20 > those until the contents of the draft are more stable. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Lars >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: urn [mailto:urn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dale R. Worley > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 2:02 AM > > To: Eld Zierau > > Cc: urn@ietf.org > > Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for=20 > > changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 > > > > Eld Zierau writes: > > > Here is the promised Word file with differences between version 3=20 > > > and 4 > > > > > [2:application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml. > > > do > > > cument > > Show Save:PWID_from_V3_to_V4.docx (81kB)] > > > > Why not just give the URL to the datatracker's history page for the I-D= : > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pwid-urn-specification/histor > > y/ and the URL for the diff between v3 and v4, in the format that=20 > > basically everybody in the IETF is familiar with: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-pwid-urn-specification-03&ur > > l2 > > =3Ddraft-pwid- > > urn-specification-04 > > > > Dale > > > > _______________________________________________ > > urn mailing list > > urn@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn From nobody Wed Feb 27 05:00:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F6E130EBE for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 04:59:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ql6haA3BwsIv for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 04:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-out12.electric.net (smtp-out12.electric.net [89.104.206.37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488E2130FF7 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 04:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from 1gyyoS-000cZe-UX by out12d.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gyyoS-000cbi-W1; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 04:59:52 -0800 Received: by emcmailer; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 04:59:52 -0800 Received: from [130.226.226.11] (helo=post.kb.dk) by out12d.electric.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gyyoS-000cZe-UX; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 04:59:52 -0800 Received: from EXCH-02.kb.dk (unknown [10.5.0.112]) by post.kb.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63DBA13A19; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 13:59:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCH-02.kb.dk (10.5.0.112) by EXCH-02.kb.dk (10.5.0.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1713.5; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 13:59:52 +0100 Received: from EXCH-02.kb.dk ([fe80::b595:1a1f:5666:b29]) by EXCH-02.kb.dk ([fe80::b595:1a1f:5666:b29%7]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 13:59:52 +0100 From: Eld Zierau To: "Svensson, Lars" , "Dale R. Worley" CC: "urn@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 Thread-Index: AdSuc3Sm32TiMBAVSZKSdHKbD7LiBAC8br3ABZFh66AAkA1pQAEa0hiQ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 12:59:51 +0000 Message-ID: <4cbc052832f2451d818a1c461116acfc@kb.dk> References: <0a8299a1afb643abb1466b4b0735c12c@dnb.de> <93d95097d40f4bd8becf1c7a8e056ca9@dnb.de> Accept-Language: da-DK, en-US Content-Language: da-DK X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [130.226.229.95] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-IP: 130.226.226.11 X-Env-From: elzi@kb.dk X-Proto: esmtps X-Revdns: post-03.kb.dk X-HELO: post.kb.dk X-TLS: TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256 X-Authenticated_ID: X-PolicySMART: 10573177 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (s) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Revisions to URN RFCs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 13:00:00 -0000 I have now uploaded a new version with clarifications. I have also had it t= hrough an additional language review, and sharpened the language. I have plans (and allocated time) to start a process of proposing a registr= y, but it will be much easier to proceed this work if there is an accepted = PWID URN to refer to. Furthermore, I have spoken to the Open Preservation Foundation about hostin= g a PWID resolver (based on our prototype), which they are interested in.=20 Hope this satisfy the comments, otherwise please let me know. Best regards, Eld =20 -----Original Message----- From: Eld Zierau=20 Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:45 PM To: 'Svensson, Lars' ; Dale R. Worley Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: RE: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN = version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 Thank you Lars I expect to upload a new version next week which makes these clarifications Best regards, Eld -----Original Message----- From: Svensson, Lars Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 6:06 PM To: Eld Zierau ; Dale R. Worley Cc: urn@ietf.org Subject: RE: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN = version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 Dear Eld, * 'precision-spec' values are not case sensitive (i.e. "PAGE" / "PART" / "PaGe" / ... are valid values as well.) On Monday, January 21, 2019 2:15 PM, Eld Zierau [mailto:elzi@kb.dk] wrote: > Is there any particular area you think needs approvement? Having re-read the I-D, I'd say that there are two areas still unclear to m= e: 1) The syntax specification says * 'precision-spec' values are not case sensitive (i.e. "PAGE" / "PART" / "PaGe" / ... are valid values as well.) It says nothing a= bout the other parts so I guess that case sensitiveness defaults to the spe= cification in RFC 8141 =A73 [1] which says that all parts of URNs are case = sensitive except for the string "urn" and the NID. It would be helpful, tho= ugh, if that was made explicit (including a reference to RFC 8141 =A73). 2) The document refers to a (proposed) registry of archive names without gi= ving any particulars of where this will be set up and who will manage it. I= f you say that there currently is no information about that, that's fine, o= therwise it would be helpful to get more information on that (especially if= it's going to be operated by IANA). [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8141#section-3.1 Best, Lars =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Svensson, Lars > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:47 PM > To: Dale R. Worley ; Eld Zierau > Cc: urn@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID=20 > URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 >=20 > Apologies for not commenting on this draft until now... >=20 > Version 4 of PWID has matured considerably compared to version 3 and I=20 > think it needs at the most one or two more iterations until it's ready fo= r registration. >=20 > I find the discussion about an IANA registry for names of web archives=20 > very interesting and would support the creation of such a registry. > The number of such archives will probably be of manageable size (about=20 > the same size as the number of national libraries...). >=20 > I also have a number of minor editorial issues but would wait with=20 > those until the contents of the draft are more stable. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Lars >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: urn [mailto:urn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dale R. Worley > > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 2:02 AM > > To: Eld Zierau > > Cc: urn@ietf.org > > Subject: [Marketing Mail] Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for=20 > > changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 > > > > Eld Zierau writes: > > > Here is the promised Word file with differences between version 3=20 > > > and 4 > > > > > [2:application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml. > > > do > > > cument > > Show Save:PWID_from_V3_to_V4.docx (81kB)] > > > > Why not just give the URL to the datatracker's history page for the I-D= : > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pwid-urn-specification/histor > > y/ and the URL for the diff between v3 and v4, in the format that=20 > > basically everybody in the IETF is familiar with: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-pwid-urn-specification-03&ur > > l2 > > =3Ddraft-pwid- > > urn-specification-04 > > > > Dale > > > > _______________________________________________ > > urn mailing list > > urn@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/urn From nobody Wed Feb 27 18:38:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A848E130ECF for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:38:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.933 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.933 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcastmailservice.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5_1zkjm6rz7n for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45FC3130EE3 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id zAhHgjQmnL0GLzBaqgh1LG; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 02:38:40 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1551321520; bh=ILobVEKg13b58SMG1TeMrSPbK6cc86ClqiIiur7lsFY=; h=Received:Received:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date: Message-ID; b=g9kjwQya/bSedX2kr4+v2HKu1X9myNdg7n/1MwBCy6SkIZqkJnoji9ntmm+BrubGz R4JK3fFnjgZ1eJna3tnuHiDonYQu1bzf8PhOWQ4ug+3IyLMpYIfD+qgqK96pPJCrLU HZoUFXaXwxFdQrckU4QlPJXMshiw7n6f6DPYeSBTNLkPTYcKx3kmNmDriD3XKsT45L 6dcGA2uP6D73IZm1WDDqtImlZww3+z2l/LjjGhcOe6FgebjtkcKsLYeUEVA3OC1ggZ fAyaNFcrMAQ5bWrZHOAaMM3m44sYl9VMZe0ePR2XPzGTmwiplmFwIqLR0Pn8crsGlW q9PxmTgpE+Nfw== Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([IPv6:2601:192:4603:9471:222:fbff:fe91:d396]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id zBangCYbCcxRXzBaogfKc7; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 02:38:39 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=-100;st=legit Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (hobgoblin.ariadne.com [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x1S2cbCU027597; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:38:37 -0500 Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id x1S2cZRr027592; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:38:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: Eld Zierau Cc: L.Svensson@dnb.de, urn@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4cbc052832f2451d818a1c461116acfc@kb.dk> (elzi@kb.dk) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:38:35 -0500 Message-ID: <87fts8hc2c.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [urn] Comments/answers to reasons for changes in PWID URN version 4 - diff version 3 and 4 X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Revisions to URN RFCs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 02:38:44 -0000 Eld Zierau writes: > I have now uploaded a new version with clarifications. I have also had > it through an additional language review, and sharpened the language. To make everyone's life easier, the new draft is: draft-pwid-urn-specification-05 Dale From nobody Wed Feb 27 19:19:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: urn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0BC1228B7 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:19:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.934 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcastmailservice.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdDpUJt6POTY for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCB2B12008F for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 19:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.112]) by resqmta-ch2-02v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id zCDoglTGSUNMVzCEOg3BJj; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 03:19:32 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1551323972; bh=918dOk8iceaYvl0DzL2GGxwnFgWtLoDJZ7omJ7xlnK8=; h=Received:Received:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date: Message-ID; b=GnoCzrR5tLBF28lzmiA5jDXHfd4EIm2E2n2ScvV3ANspXneeoSsr3AcuB4JmG8od2 M0I1FwcHIwnXoO9Emt1DUNMteR7uYJubhUEJeSUE3J0msV7G2ofIS/Ic3T2ZFC4xsl zj5Q5QNZtWJr8dgM4PgtBM6VOKaIHyORjyE5CbbOdvmRzTHG4fQRPSv3mZ+ToJTPvs NEgNmGQb3xbtdjwS+KLs8M6Mx2S6w+IAqRZcOlJ/NyZXOZpHXPYSCN3M99F/dqS5gb f8fEg7jSYL9cPRxydaq5YA9wK5M46/UPd2kZKue0BaYalisl8fqnCFdEOSDP9PVPd5 Raom3wQ2fZpZA== Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com ([IPv6:2601:192:4603:9471:222:fbff:fe91:d396]) by resomta-ch2-16v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id zCENgCh1JcxRXzCEOgfNHz; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 03:19:32 +0000 X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=-100;st=legit Received: from hobgoblin.ariadne.com (hobgoblin.ariadne.com [127.0.0.1]) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x1S3JVZ5030227; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 22:19:31 -0500 Received: (from worley@localhost) by hobgoblin.ariadne.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id x1S3JUXh030224; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 22:19:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: hobgoblin.ariadne.com: worley set sender to worley@alum.mit.edu using -f From: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) To: Eld Zierau Cc: L.Svensson@dnb.de, urn@ietf.org Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 22:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: <87d0ncha65.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: [urn] Comments on PWID -05 X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Revisions to URN RFCs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 03:19:35 -0000 The discussion of archive-id is considerably clearer than before but it seems to me that there should be some discussion of how to distinguish domain name archive-ids (e.g., netarkivet.dk) and archive-ids that have to be looked up in the (future) registry. Being able to reliably make this decision seems to be the first step in resolving a PWID. I think arranging this is straightforward, since the syntax of archive-id is "+( unreserved )", and many of those strings are not allowed as DNS names for hosts. E.g., one could require that any archive-id that is not intended to be interpreted as a DNS name to start with one of "-", ".", "_", "~". Similar considerations apply to archived-item-id and distinguishing it from URI. (All URIs must start with a letter.) precision-spec = "part" / "page" / "subsite" / "site" / "collection" / "recording" / "snapshot" / "other" Is the inclusion of "other" the best way to handle this? Usually a component like this would allow "extension values" (that conform to the same syntax as the defined values, e.g., "+letter"). As written, everything that cannot be classified as "part", "page", ..., "snapshot" would have to be labeled "other", even if a particular archive had several different additional precision values that it operated with internally. * 'URI' is defined as in [RFC3986] but where occurrences of "[", "]", "?" and "#" are %-encoded in order not to clash with URN reserved characters [RFC8141]. This gets complicated. For example "http://example.com/foo#bar" is a different URL than "http://example.com/foo%23bar", and might have different contents. You can't use "http://example.com/foo%23bar" as the archived-item part of PWIDs for the saved contents of both of these URLs. One possibility is to set the archived-item string to be URI with [, ], ?, #, and % all %-encoded, so that the two URLs have these archived-item values: http://example.com/foo%23bar http://example.com/foo%2523bar That would be laborious, though, if many URLs contain %-escapes and humans have to copy PWID URNs by hand. * 'archival-time' is a UTC timestamp as described in the W3C profile of [ISO8601] [W3CDTF] (also defined in [RFC3339]), for example YYYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ssZ. Looking at RFC 3339, I see: date-fullyear = 4DIGIT date-month = 2DIGIT ; 01-12 date-mday = 2DIGIT ; 01-28, 01-29, 01-30, 01-31 based on ; month/year time-hour = 2DIGIT ; 00-23 time-minute = 2DIGIT ; 00-59 time-second = 2DIGIT ; 00-58, 00-59, 00-60 based on leap second ; rules time-secfrac = "." 1*DIGIT time-numoffset = ("+" / "-") time-hour ":" time-minute time-offset = "Z" / time-numoffset partial-time = time-hour ":" time-minute ":" time-second [time-secfrac] full-date = date-fullyear "-" date-month "-" date-mday full-time = partial-time time-offset date-time = full-date "T" full-time But comparing that to W3CDTF, I see no single nontermainal which corresponds to the set of formats allowed in W3CDTF. I suggest you make a more rigid specification as to what is allwed for archival-time. [W3CDTF] W3C, "Date and Time Formats: note submitted to the W3C. 15 September 1997", 1997, . W3C profile of ISO 8601 urn:pwid:archive.org:2017-04- 03T03:37:42Z:page:http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime The final two lines of this block look like a mis-formatted bibliographic reference. 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Worley) To: "Martin J. =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=BCrst?=" Cc: elzi@kb.dk, urn@ietf.org, L.Svensson@dnb.de In-Reply-To: <521105f9-9fdc-d88f-e5fb-3efaae7153cd@it.aoyama.ac.jp> (duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp) Sender: worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: <87zhqffhqg.fsf@hobgoblin.ariadne.com> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [urn] Comments on PWID -05 X-BeenThere: urn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Revisions to URN RFCs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 02:31:30 -0000 Martin J. Duerst writes: >> [...] E.g., one could require that any >> archive-id that is not intended to be interpreted as a DNS name to start >> with one of "-", ".", "_", "~". > > I haven't looked into the details, but in general, I think this is a bad > idea. It is much better to have an explicit distinction than to rely on > some syntax restrictions. Such syntax restrictions may or may not > actually hold in practice. It's very easy to create a DNS name starting > with '-' or '_', for example, even though officially, that's not allowed. I may agree with you ... But what do you mean by "an explicit distinction"? E.g., I would tend to consider "archive-ids starting with '~' are registered archive names, and archive-ids that do not are considered DNS names" to be an "explicit" distinction, but you mean something else. Or maybe the right question is, What do you propose as an alternative? 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