From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 15 18:44:55 2002 Received: from psg.com (smmsp@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18911 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lserv by psg.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17fTN1-0001rb-00 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:45:35 -0700 Received: from unknown-1-11.wrs.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17fTMq-0001qg-00 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:45:24 -0700 Received: from kenawang ([147.11.233.15]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10922; Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020815183807.04906690@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:43:58 -0400 To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: v6ops Interim Meeting Cc: ngtrans@sunroof.eng.sun.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.31 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, There will be an interim meeting for the v6ops WG (which should be an actual working group by then) on Wednesday and Thursday, September 18th & 19th at Wind River's Sunnyvale, CA office. More details, including a sign-up form, recommended hotels and directions to the facility can be found at: http://home.attbi.com/~margaretw/v6ops-Interim-Sep02.html Attendance at this event will be limited to 85 people, due to the size of the available facilities. So, please sign-up soon if you would like to attend. I will keep this site updated as further details of the meeting are finalized. Margaret From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Aug 18 11:44:26 2002 Received: from psg.com (smmsp@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27743 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lserv by psg.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17gSCr-000Iyy-00 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:43:09 -0700 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17gSCn-000Iyk-00 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:43:05 -0700 Received: from kenawang ([147.11.233.6]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02339; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020818113626.0264c7c0@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:40:17 -0400 To: ngtrans@sunroof.eng.sun.com From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: (ngtrans) v6ops Interim Meeting Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, ngtrans@sunroof.eng.sun.com In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020815183807.04906690@mail.windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.31 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Just so that there isn't any confusion... There will be no interim meeting of the ngtrans WG this fall, as the ngtrans working group is shutting down. Instead, we will hold a v6ops WG interim meeting in September, as described below. Thanks, Margaret At 06:43 PM 8/15/02 , Margaret Wasserman wrote: >Hi All, > >There will be an interim meeting for the v6ops WG (which should >be an actual working group by then) on Wednesday and Thursday, >September 18th & 19th at Wind River's Sunnyvale, CA office. > >More details, including a sign-up form, recommended hotels and >directions to the facility can be found at: > >http://home.attbi.com/~margaretw/v6ops-Interim-Sep02.html > >Attendance at this event will be limited to 85 people, due to the >size of the available facilities. So, please sign-up soon if you >would like to attend. > >I will keep this site updated as further details of the meeting are >finalized. > >Margaret > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 21 13:11:41 2002 Received: from psg.com (smmsp@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA17329 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lserv by psg.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17hZ1G-0008zn-00 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:11:46 -0700 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17hZ1A-0008z4-00 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:11:40 -0700 Received: from kenawang ([147.11.233.11]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22062 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020821130935.028e55e0@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:12:09 -0400 To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Fwd: IPv6 Operations (v6ops) Interim Meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.31 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, A proposed agenda for the v6ops interim meeting is attached. Please send mail to the chairs if you have any questions, or if you would like to present any new work during the meeting. Thanks, itojun & Margaret [Proposed v6ops WG chairs] IPv6 Operations (v6ops) Interim Meeting Wednesday & Thursday, September 18th & 19th, 2002 ================================================= CHAIRS Jun-Ichiro itojun Hagino Margaret Wasserman LOCATION Wind River 201 Moffett Park Drive Sunnyvale, CA SCHEDULE 0830-1730, Wednesday & Thursday SIGN-UP/INFO http://home.attbi.com/~margaretw/v6ops-Interim-Sep02.html PROPOSED AGENDA Wednesday, September 18th ========================= 0830-0900 Continental Breakfast 0900-1200 Introduction and Agenda Bashing (10 min) Review v6ops Charter (as approved by IESG) (2 hrs) - Overall mission of the WG - Review Task List - Reach consensus on goals and priorities Discuss Candidate Work Items: - Survey of IPv4 Addresses in IETF Standards -- Phil Nesser (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ngtrans-ipv4survey-02.txt - Current status and open issues - Accept as a WG work item? - Transition Mechanisms Update -- Erik Nordmark (15 min) http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ngtrans-mech-v2-00.txt - Current status and open issues - Accept as a WG work item? 1200-0130 Lunch 0130-0530 Security Implications of Mixed IPv4/IPv6 Networks (1-1/2 hours) Discussion/Status of Deployment Scenario/Solutions Work - Introduction and Re-Focus (15 min) - Cellular Networks (30 min) - ISP Networks (30 min) - Unmanaged Network (30 minutes) - Enterprise Networks (30 min) Thursday, September 19th ======================== 0830-0900 Continental Breakfast 0900-1200 [Deployment Solution Break-outs] Goals of Breakout Sessions and Formation of Breakout Groups (15 min) Deployment Solution Breakouts (2-1/2 hours) - Cellular Networks - ISP Networks - Unmanaged Networks - Enterprise Networks 1200-0130 Lunch 0130-0530 Breakout Reports and Next Steps - Cellular Networks (20 min) - ISP Networks (20 min) - Unmanaged Networks (20 min) - Enterprise Networks (20 min) New Work Related to v6ops Charter (2 hours) Wrap-up and Review of Action Items (30 min) From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 27 06:12:33 2002 Received: from psg.com (smmsp@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA16768 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lserv by psg.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17jdKv-000KBT-00 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:12:37 -0700 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17jdKs-000KBI-00 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:12:34 -0700 Received: from kenawang ([147.11.233.4]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA28717 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020827060924.028d1d60@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 06:12:14 -0400 To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Interim Meeting Sign-Up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.31 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Registration is still open for our interim meeting which will be held in Sunnyvale, CA on September 18th & 19th. If you plan to attend, please register by September 3rd. Information about the meeting can be found at: http://home.attbi.com/~margaretw/v6ops-Interim-Sep02.html A list of confirmed attendees, as of 26Aug02 can be found at: http://home.attbi.com/~margaretw/Interim-Sign-Up-Sep02.html Thanks, Margaret From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Aug 28 06:59:25 2002 Received: from psg.com (smmsp@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA23472 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 06:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lserv by psg.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17k0XN-0006EO-00 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:59:01 -0700 Received: from [2001:670:86:3001::1] (helo=netcore.fi) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17k0XJ-0006Dh-00 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:58:57 -0700 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7SAwsX23565 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:58:54 +0300 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:58:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: WG Review: IPv6 Operations (v6ops) In-Reply-To: <200208271405.KAA24557@ietf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.31 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Comments are for new additions since the draft charter. On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Steve Coya wrote: > The v6ops working group will: > (1) Solicit input from network operators and users to identify > operational or security issues with the IPv4/IPv6 Internet, and > determine solutions or workarounds to those issues. This includes > identifying standards work that is needed in other IETF WGs or > areas and working with those groups/areas to begin appropriate > work. These issues will be documented in Informational or BCP > RFCs, or in Internet-Drafts. > > Critical pieces of the Internet infrastructures such as DNS, SMTP > and SIP have specific operational issues when they operate in a > shared IPv4/IPv6 network. The v6ops WG will cooperate with the > relevant areas and WGs to document those issues, and find > protocol or operational solutions to those problems. Since when did SIP become a critical piece of Internet architecture? I'm not saying it isn't important (more so in the future), but I think this is a major example of something that should be solely done in other w.g.'s (if they aren't interested, why should we be?). Is it clear enough that v6ops will only give (minor) consultancy as necessary, not more? And what of e.g. SMTP as the working group has concluded? Is it expected that working group be reformed to address the IPv6 concerns or documents be pushed as personal submissions? Note that there may be a huge temptation to just do the work at v6ops (which was not intended) if this happens to be the case. > (7) Identify open operational or security issues with the deployment > solutions documented in (5) and fully document those open > issues in Internet-Drafts or Informational RFCs. Work to find > workarounds or solutions to basic, IP-level deployment issues > that can be solved using widely-applicable transition mechanisms, > such as dual-stack, tunneling or translation. > > If the satisfactory resolution of a deployment issue requires > the standardization of a new, widely-applicable transition > mechanism that does not properly fit into any other IETF WG or > area, the v6ops WG will standardize a transition mechanism > to meet that need. The second paragraph has been reworded, and could be used as a loophole to do, well, quite a lot :-). Whether this is ok depends on how tight a charter we want. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 29 22:58:10 2002 Received: from psg.com (smmsp@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA20775 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lserv by psg.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17kbxS-000LlK-00 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:56:26 -0700 Received: from unknown-1-11.windriver.com ([147.11.1.11] helo=mail.wrs.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17kbxP-000Lki-00 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:56:23 -0700 Received: from kenawang ([147.11.233.3]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28546 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020829225209.02d26e60@mail.windriver.com> X-Sender: mrw@mail.windriver.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:57:01 -0400 To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Interim Meeting Registration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.31 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Just a reminder... Registration for the v6ops interim meeting, to be held in Sunnyvale, CA on Sept 18th and 19th, will be closing on September 3rd. If you plan to attend, please register by September 3rd. Full details and a sign-up form can be found at: http://home.attbi.com/~margaretw/v6ops-Interim-Sep02.html A list of confirmed attendees (updated periodically) can be found at: http://home.attbi.com/~margaretw/Interim-Sign-Up-Sep02.html Thanks, Margaret