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xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:26:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fred Baker Subject: Question about past advice to RIRs Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:26:35 -0700 To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 17:26:37.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[A332F2A0:01C6BA46] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=4698; t=1154971597; x=1155835597; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim5002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:Question=20about=20past=20advice=20to=20RIRs; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DzmdiOqUMpkxJa749OP9sOnTIS58=3D; b=cSrImT6vMgaTYEK0cwAPKvMNIVQg4GXlwqHneIvReTWzeNWQgje2SchPckUVecvDTNLYW9Tc 7uqdgGH/UZVsGd+rjBl9/LMmB3gJ7+ySgrNdWmpa+RZzZGurfo3pzjuL; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-5.cisco.com; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 As discussed in the recent IETF meeting, Marla Azinger and I are putting together a document on IPv6 multihoming. My current list of references for the document includes the attached. Some of the reviewers have stated that at least some of the documents should be considered out of date. If so, I think the IESG should advise the RFC Editor to mark them "historical". In any event, would people please look through this and tell me which documents to drop? Note that RFCs 1265, 1787, 2008, 2827, and 3704 are included for the perspectives they present whether currently applicable or not. The biggest problems seem to arise from RFCs 1881 and 1887; if they are obsolete, I have an entire section that might disappear. 7. References 7.1. Normative References [RFC2008] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "Implications of Various Address Allocation Policies for Internet Routing", BCP 7, RFC 2008, October 1996. [RFC2460] Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification", RFC 2460, December 1998. [RFC3177] IAB and IESG, "IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address Allocations to Sites", RFC 3177, September 2001. [RFC3769] Miyakawa, S. and R. Droms, "Requirements for IPv6 Prefix Delegation", RFC 3769, June 2004. [RFC4177] Huston, G., "Architectural Approaches to Multi-homing for IPv6", RFC 4177, September 2005. [RFC4291] Hinden, R. and S. Deering, "IP Version 6 Addressing Architecture", RFC 4291, February 2006. 7.2. Informative References [I-D.narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary] Narten, T., "IPv6 Address Allocation to End Sites", draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-02 (work in progress), June 2006. [I-D.white-sobgp-architecture] White, R., "Architecture and Deployment Considerations for Secure Origin BGP (soBGP)", draft-white-sobgp-architecture-02 (work in progress), June 2006. [METRO] Deering, S., "Metro-Based Addressing", July 1995, . [RFC1265] Rekhter, Y., "BGP Protocol Analysis", RFC 1265, October 1991. [RFC1517] Hinden, R., "Applicability Statement for the Implementation of Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR)", RFC 1517, September 1993. [RFC1518] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IP Address Allocation with CIDR", RFC 1518, September 1993. [RFC1519] Fuller, V., Li, T., Yu, J., and K. Varadhan, "Classless Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR): an Address Assignment and Aggregation Strategy", RFC 1519, September 1993. [RFC1787] Rekhter, Y., "Routing in a Multi-provider Internet", RFC 1787, April 1995. [RFC1881] Internet Architecture Board and Internet Engineering Steering Group, "IPv6 Address Allocation Management", RFC 1881, December 1995. [RFC1887] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IPv6 Unicast Address Allocation", RFC 1887, December 1995. [RFC2073] Rekhter, Y., Lothberg, P., Hinden, R., Deering, S., and J. Postel, "An IPv6 Provider-Based Unicast Address Format", RFC 2073, January 1997. [RFC2374] Hinden, R. and S. Deering, "An IPv6 Aggregatable Global Unicast Address Format", RFC 2374, July 1998. [RFC2827] Ferguson, P. and D. Senie, "Network Ingress Filtering: Defeating Denial of Service Attacks which employ IP Source Address Spoofing", BCP 38, RFC 2827, May 2000. [RFC3178] Hagino, J. and H. Snyder, "IPv6 Multihoming Support at Site Exit Routers", RFC 3178, October 2001. [RFC3587] Hinden, R., Deering, S., and E. Nordmark, "IPv6 Global Unicast Address Format", RFC 3587, August 2003. [RFC3704] Baker, F. and P. Savola, "Ingress Filtering for Multihomed Networks", BCP 84, RFC 3704, March 2004. [RFC4076] Chown, T., Venaas, S., and A. Vijayabhaskar, "Renumbering Requirements for Stateless Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for IPv6 (DHCPv6)", RFC 4076, May 2005. [RFC4218] Nordmark, E. and T. Li, "Threats Relating to IPv6 Multihoming Solutions", RFC 4218, October 2005. From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 07 14:59:13 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAAJl-00049O-4E for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:59:13 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAAJj-0001dM-Pq for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:59:13 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GAAHq-000Bg7-Nq for v6ops-data@psg.com; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:57:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.1 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GAAHo-000Bff-9c for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:57:12 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k77ItUYI021224; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:55:30 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id k77ItN0f021222; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:55:23 GMT Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:55:23 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Fred Baker Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs Message-ID: <20060807185523.GA21168@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d > Note that RFCs 1265, 1787, 2008, 2827, and 3704 are included for the > perspectives they present whether currently applicable or not. The > biggest problems seem to arise from RFCs 1881 and 1887; if they are > obsolete, I have an entire section that might disappear. > > > 7. References > > 7.2. Informative References > > [RFC1881] Internet Architecture Board and Internet Engineering > Steering Group, "IPv6 Address Allocation Management", > RFC 1881, December 1995. > > [RFC1887] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IPv6 Unicast > Address Allocation", RFC 1887, December 1995. > note that both of these documents predate most of the RIR existance, when the IETF had a direct role in defining allocation policies/stratagies. in todays environment, i would consider both of these documents to be historical in nature, e.g. not applicable to the current RIR models. it is useful to note that RFC 1887 is labled "An Architecture..." which is a clear indication that the authors did not preclude other valid architectural models. --bill From contact@034efi.com Mon Aug 07 19:18:59 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAEN9-0000Pf-Et for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:18:59 -0400 Received: from [85.102.81.104] (helo=dsl85-102-20840.ttnet.net.tr) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAEN2-0004Ev-3I for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:18:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 23:18:52 -0120 From: "Terrell Werner" X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Once he saw his wits, or maybe, he had been baked more strongly than Redrick--anyway he was about to start when he stopped suddenly. a hole that no amount of money could get him out of and in which it was From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 08 05:35:58 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAO0E-0007iM-EE for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:35:58 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAO0C-0007nJ-Pj for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:35:58 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GANzV-000LZP-N7 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:35:13 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [213.204.46.37] (helo=lemland.kurtis.pp.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GANzU-000LZ3-8F for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:35:12 +0000 Received: from [192.71.80.74] (laptop2.kurtis.autonomica.se [192.71.80.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8742078C23; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:35:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <44D85634.9040707@zurich.ibm.com> References: <20060807185523.GA21168@vacation.karoshi.com.> <44D85634.9040707@zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0667DBD2-0535-49E2-A7CA-A459DAA97062@kurtis.pp.se> Cc: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, Fred Baker , v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:35:24 +0200 To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 On 8 aug 2006, at 11.15, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >>> Note that RFCs 1265, 1787, 2008, 2827, and 3704 are included for >>> the perspectives they present whether currently applicable or >>> not. The biggest problems seem to arise from RFCs 1881 and 1887; >>> if they are obsolete, I have an entire section that might >>> disappear. >>> >>> >>> 7. References >>> >>> 7.2. Informative References >>> >>> [RFC1881] Internet Architecture Board and Internet Engineering >>> Steering Group, "IPv6 Address Allocation Management", >>> RFC 1881, December 1995. >>> >>> [RFC1887] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IPv6 >>> Unicast >>> Address Allocation", RFC 1887, December 1995. >>> >> note that both of these documents predate most of the RIR existance, >> when the IETF had a direct role in defining allocation policies/ >> stratagies. >> in todays environment, i would consider both of these documents >> to be >> historical in nature, e.g. not applicable to the current RIR models. >> it is useful to note that RFC 1887 is labled "An Architecture..." >> which is a clear indication that the authors did not preclude other >> valid architectural models. > > You're overlooking that RFC 1881 was and remains the basis on which > the > IPv6 address space was formally delegated to IANA by the community > that > created it. There's no sense in which that delegation is historical. > Certainly we have learned a thing or two since 1995. > > On a point of fact, the RIPE-NCC was established in 1992. It was > certainly > my assumption in 1995 that IANA would further delegate prefixes to > the registries, and that the registries would remain active in the > IETF, so that address assignment practices would inform and be > informed > by IETF discussions. That still seems to be happening, fortunately. 1881 even mentions the RIRs so I think that is still valid. 1887 seems to be interesting reading I don't really think it reflects the network of today... - kurtis - From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 08 05:56:02 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAOJe-0000bP-MZ for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:56:02 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAOJc-0002gz-5l for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:56:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GANgY-000K2j-LR for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:15:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [195.212.29.153] (helo=mtagate4.de.ibm.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GANgX-000K1x-0s for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:15:37 +0000 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k789FYgp115812 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:15:34 GMT Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.212]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k789JC31146218 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:19:12 +0200 Received: from d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k789FXDi018502 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:15:34 +0200 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av01.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k789FXin018479; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:15:33 +0200 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-248-228.de.ibm.com [9.145.248.228]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA85970; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: <44D85634.9040707@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:15:32 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com CC: Fred Baker , v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs References: <20060807185523.GA21168@vacation.karoshi.com.> In-Reply-To: <20060807185523.GA21168@vacation.karoshi.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >>Note that RFCs 1265, 1787, 2008, 2827, and 3704 are included for the >>perspectives they present whether currently applicable or not. The >>biggest problems seem to arise from RFCs 1881 and 1887; if they are >>obsolete, I have an entire section that might disappear. >> >> >>7. References >> >>7.2. Informative References >> >> [RFC1881] Internet Architecture Board and Internet Engineering >> Steering Group, "IPv6 Address Allocation Management", >> RFC 1881, December 1995. >> >> [RFC1887] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IPv6 Unicast >> Address Allocation", RFC 1887, December 1995. >> > > > note that both of these documents predate most of the RIR existance, > when the IETF had a direct role in defining allocation policies/stratagies. > > in todays environment, i would consider both of these documents to be > historical in nature, e.g. not applicable to the current RIR models. > it is useful to note that RFC 1887 is labled "An Architecture..." > which is a clear indication that the authors did not preclude other > valid architectural models. You're overlooking that RFC 1881 was and remains the basis on which the IPv6 address space was formally delegated to IANA by the community that created it. There's no sense in which that delegation is historical. Certainly we have learned a thing or two since 1995. On a point of fact, the RIPE-NCC was established in 1992. It was certainly my assumption in 1995 that IANA would further delegate prefixes to the registries, and that the registries would remain active in the IETF, so that address assignment practices would inform and be informed by IETF discussions. That still seems to be happening, fortunately. Brian From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 08 06:05:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAOSh-0006Hu-Ti for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:05:23 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAOSg-0004ox-FC for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:05:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GAOEp-000MzZ-TL for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:51:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [213.204.46.37] (helo=lemland.kurtis.pp.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GAOEm-000Mx4-7E for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:51:00 +0000 Received: from [192.71.80.74] (laptop2.kurtis.autonomica.se [192.71.80.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by lemland.kurtis.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7D778C09; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:50:57 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1EE12956-C5C5-4C12-B489-0BE8682C0C85@kurtis.pp.se> Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:51:22 +0200 To: Fred Baker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0e9ebc0cbd700a87c0637ad0e2c91610 On 7 aug 2006, at 19.26, Fred Baker wrote: > As discussed in the recent IETF meeting, Marla Azinger and I are > putting together a document on IPv6 multihoming. My current list of > references for the document includes the attached. Some of the > reviewers have stated that at least some of the documents should be > considered out of date. > > If so, I think the IESG should advise the RFC Editor to mark them > "historical". > > In any event, would people please look through this and tell me > which documents to drop? > > Note that RFCs 1265, 1787, 2008, 2827, and 3704 are included for > the perspectives they present whether currently applicable or not. > The biggest problems seem to arise from RFCs 1881 and 1887; if they > are obsolete, I have an entire section that might disappear. A quick review gives me the thoughts as below...I am sure I have overlooked some details... > > 7. References > > 7.1. Normative References > > [RFC2008] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "Implications of Various Address > Allocation Policies for Internet Routing", BCP 7, > RFC 2008, October 1996. AFAIK ok. > [RFC2460] Deering, S. and R. Hinden, "Internet Protocol, Version 6 > (IPv6) Specification", RFC 2460, December 1998. AFAIK ok. > [RFC3177] IAB and IESG, "IAB/IESG Recommendations on IPv6 Address > Allocations to Sites", RFC 3177, September 2001. This is under discussion in draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-02 as mentioned below. > [RFC3769] Miyakawa, S. and R. Droms, "Requirements for IPv6 Prefix > Delegation", RFC 3769, June 2004. AFIAK ok. > [RFC4177] Huston, G., "Architectural Approaches to Multi-homing > for > IPv6", RFC 4177, September 2005. AFAIK ok. > [RFC4291] Hinden, R. and S. Deering, "IP Version 6 Addressing > Architecture", RFC 4291, February 2006. AFAIK ok. > 7.2. Informative References > > [I-D.narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary] > Narten, T., "IPv6 Address Allocation to End Sites", > draft-narten-ipv6-3177bis-48boundary-02 (work in > progress), June 2006. > > [I-D.white-sobgp-architecture] > White, R., "Architecture and Deployment > Considerations for > Secure Origin BGP (soBGP)", > draft-white-sobgp-architecture-02 (work in progress), > June 2006. > > [METRO] Deering, S., "Metro-Based Addressing", July 1995, > ftp.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/ietf-online-proceedings/ > 95jul/ > presentations/allocation/deering.slides.ps>. Not IETF docs per se. > [RFC1265] Rekhter, Y., "BGP Protocol Analysis", RFC 1265, > October 1991. This analysis applies to BGPv3. Some of the conclusions seems to hold, but numbers and terminology might not. Should probably be updated rather than moved to historic. > [RFC1517] Hinden, R., "Applicability Statement for the > Implementation of Classless Inter-Domain Routing > (CIDR)", > RFC 1517, September 1993. Seems ok. > [RFC1518] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IP Address > Allocation with CIDR", RFC 1518, September 1993. > > [RFC1519] Fuller, V., Li, T., Yu, J., and K. Varadhan, "Classless > Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR): an Address Assignment and > Aggregation Strategy", RFC 1519, September 1993. ok. > [RFC1787] Rekhter, Y., "Routing in a Multi-provider Internet", > RFC 1787, April 1995. This is an informational document by the IAB to stimulate discussion at the time. > [RFC1881] Internet Architecture Board and Internet Engineering > Steering Group, "IPv6 Address Allocation Management", > RFC 1881, December 1995. AFAIK ok. > [RFC1887] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IPv6 Unicast > Address Allocation", RFC 1887, December 1995. Should preferable be updated or moved to historic. Not sure if there is value in updating it. > [RFC2073] Rekhter, Y., Lothberg, P., Hinden, R., Deering, S., > and J. > Postel, "An IPv6 Provider-Based Unicast Address Format", > RFC 2073, January 1997. Should be moved to historic (I thought it was when TLAs where taken out with RFC4291 (or actually 31513 I guess). It's at least been replaced with the IANA IPv6 unicast address registry. > [RFC2374] Hinden, R. and S. Deering, "An IPv6 Aggregatable Global > Unicast Address Format", RFC 2374, July 1998. Says it replaces 2073 so there seems to be some inconsistency.... > [RFC2827] Ferguson, P. and D. Senie, "Network Ingress Filtering: > Defeating Denial of Service Attacks which employ IP > Source > Address Spoofing", BCP 38, RFC 2827, May 2000. Updated by RFC3704, which is referenced below. > [RFC3178] Hagino, J. and H. Snyder, "IPv6 Multihoming Support at > Site Exit Routers", RFC 3178, October 2001. Don't believe this has ever been implemented but that doesn't mean it's historic. > [RFC3587] Hinden, R., Deering, S., and E. Nordmark, "IPv6 Global > Unicast Address Format", RFC 3587, August 2003. AFIK ok. > [RFC3704] Baker, F. and P. Savola, "Ingress Filtering for > Multihomed > Networks", BCP 84, RFC 3704, March 2004. AFAIK ok. > [RFC4076] Chown, T., Venaas, S., and A. Vijayabhaskar, > "Renumbering > Requirements for Stateless Dynamic Host Configuration > Protocol for IPv6 (DHCPv6)", RFC 4076, May 2005. AFAIK ok. > [RFC4218] Nordmark, E. and T. Li, "Threats Relating to IPv6 > Multihoming Solutions", RFC 4218, October 2005. AFAIK ok. - kurtis - From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 08 10:18:46 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GASPu-0006zT-BD for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:18:46 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GARPW-0004nL-MI for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:14:18 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GARAO-0005Rt-0X for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:58:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GAR8Y-000Boz-6n for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:56:46 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.1 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GAR8V-000BoQ-3u for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:56:43 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k78CtNYI026633; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:55:23 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id k78CtIuA026631; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:55:18 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:55:18 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, Fred Baker , v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs Message-ID: <20060808125518.GA26277@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <20060807185523.GA21168@vacation.karoshi.com.> <44D85634.9040707@zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44D85634.9040707@zurich.ibm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:15:32AM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > >>Note that RFCs 1265, 1787, 2008, 2827, and 3704 are included for the > >>perspectives they present whether currently applicable or not. The > >>biggest problems seem to arise from RFCs 1881 and 1887; if they are > >>obsolete, I have an entire section that might disappear. > >> > >> > >>7. References > >> > >>7.2. Informative References > >> > >> [RFC1881] Internet Architecture Board and Internet Engineering > >> Steering Group, "IPv6 Address Allocation Management", > >> RFC 1881, December 1995. > >> > >> [RFC1887] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IPv6 Unicast > >> Address Allocation", RFC 1887, December 1995. > >> > > > > > > note that both of these documents predate most of the RIR existance, > > when the IETF had a direct role in defining allocation > > policies/stratagies. > > > > in todays environment, i would consider both of these documents to be > > historical in nature, e.g. not applicable to the current RIR models. > > it is useful to note that RFC 1887 is labled "An Architecture..." > > which is a clear indication that the authors did not preclude other > > valid architectural models. > > You're overlooking that RFC 1881 was and remains the basis on which the > IPv6 address space was formally delegated to IANA by the community that > created it. There's no sense in which that delegation is historical. > Certainly we have learned a thing or two since 1995. not overlooking it. but am not sure that RFC 1881 allows for the delegation to be revolked. Surely your not impuning that the IETF could reclaim IPv6 from the IANA and its subsiquent delegations to RIR's? Are you? > On a point of fact, the RIPE-NCC was established in 1992. It was certainly > my assumption in 1995 that IANA would further delegate prefixes to > the registries, and that the registries would remain active in the > IETF, so that address assignment practices would inform and be informed > by IETF discussions. That still seems to be happening, fortunately. As I indicated earlier, MOST of the RIRs came AFTER these RFCs came into existance. And as far as I am aware, there is no special "RIR" class of participation in the IETF, since IETF activity is by individual. Certainly the RIR policy process is based on individual participation. Statements from the IETF about how they think address assignment practices should occur are, on occasion, are taken by indivduals and crafted into policy proposals. But then the proposals are from individuals, not the IETF. > > Brian From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 08 10:37:28 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GASi0-0007SC-5G for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:37:28 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GAShx-0008JS-Kz for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:37:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GASgH-000Lyt-0k for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:35:41 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [205.167.76.9] (helo=m106.maoz.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GASgF-000Lyf-Oi for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:35:39 +0000 Received: from m106.maoz.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k78EZSDa004062; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:35:28 -0700 Received: (from dmm@localhost) by m106.maoz.com (8.13.6/8.12.11/Submit) id k78EZQWd004059; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:35:26 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: m106.maoz.com: dmm set sender to dmm@1-4-5.net using -f Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:35:25 -0700 From: David Meyer To: Kurt Erik Lindqvist Cc: Fred Baker , v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs Message-ID: <20060808143523.GA3194@1-4-5.net> References: <1EE12956-C5C5-4C12-B489-0BE8682C0C85@kurtis.pp.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1EE12956-C5C5-4C12-B489-0BE8682C0C85@kurtis.pp.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-public-key: http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/public-key.asc X-gpg-fingerprint: 2409 8B50 B389 A307 BA5C 2A16 3918 03D6 A099 D8A7 X-philosophy: "I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader, Star Wars Episode IV. Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In addition to what Kurtis said below... > > [RFC1265] Rekhter, Y., "BGP Protocol Analysis", RFC 1265, > > October 1991. >=20 > This analysis applies to BGPv3. Some of the conclusions seems to =20 > hold, but numbers and terminology might not. Should probably be =20 > updated rather than moved to historic. Yep, and you might substitue the BGP-4 version: [RFC4274] Meyer, D. and K. Patel," BGP-4 Protocol Analysis", RFC 4274. > > [RFC1518] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IP Address > > Allocation with CIDR", RFC 1518, September 1993. > > > > [RFC1519] Fuller, V., Li, T., Yu, J., and K. Varadhan, "Classless > > Inter-Domain Routing (CIDR): an Address Assignment and > > Aggregation Strategy", RFC 1519, September 1993. >=20 > ok. This one will be updated by draft-ietf-grow-rfc1519bis-04 (which is in the rfc editor's queue). --dmm m --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE2KErORgD1qCZ2KcRAsw0AJ9Wj4EOmfasNRSz+yeQSAGBW/sqGgCcCmkH pb+662hb6gJzmzA6B3N4mA4= =cA08 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 08 10:37:35 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GASi7-0007V3-Hz for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:37:35 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GASi6-0008Jb-4Q for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:37:35 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GASgV-000Lzx-7R for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:35:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [195.212.29.136] (helo=mtagate3.uk.ibm.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GASgS-000LzC-2g for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 14:35:52 +0000 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k78EZnnS106312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:35:49 +0100 Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.216]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.13.6/NCO/VER7.0) with ESMTP id k78Ebaq9138016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:37:36 +0100 Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k78EZmcl020001 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:35:48 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k78EZlWu019991; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:35:47 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-146-220-158.de.ibm.com [9.146.220.158]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA191480; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:35:45 +0200 Message-ID: <44D8A144.7020000@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:35:48 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com CC: Fred Baker , v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs References: <20060807185523.GA21168@vacation.karoshi.com.> <44D85634.9040707@zurich.ibm.com> <20060808125518.GA26277@vacation.karoshi.com.> In-Reply-To: <20060808125518.GA26277@vacation.karoshi.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: > On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:15:32AM +0200, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >>bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >> >>>>Note that RFCs 1265, 1787, 2008, 2827, and 3704 are included for the >>>>perspectives they present whether currently applicable or not. The >>>>biggest problems seem to arise from RFCs 1881 and 1887; if they are >>>>obsolete, I have an entire section that might disappear. >>>> >>>> >>>>7. References >>>> >>>>7.2. Informative References >>>> >>>> [RFC1881] Internet Architecture Board and Internet Engineering >>>> Steering Group, "IPv6 Address Allocation Management", >>>> RFC 1881, December 1995. >>>> >>>> [RFC1887] Rekhter, Y. and T. Li, "An Architecture for IPv6 Unicast >>>> Address Allocation", RFC 1887, December 1995. >>>> >>> >>> >>> note that both of these documents predate most of the RIR existance, >>> when the IETF had a direct role in defining allocation >>> policies/stratagies. >>> >>> in todays environment, i would consider both of these documents to be >>> historical in nature, e.g. not applicable to the current RIR models. >>> it is useful to note that RFC 1887 is labled "An Architecture..." >>> which is a clear indication that the authors did not preclude other >>> valid architectural models. >> >>You're overlooking that RFC 1881 was and remains the basis on which the >>IPv6 address space was formally delegated to IANA by the community that >>created it. There's no sense in which that delegation is historical. >>Certainly we have learned a thing or two since 1995. > > > not overlooking it. but am not sure that RFC 1881 allows for > the delegation to be revolked. Surely your not impuning that the > IETF could reclaim IPv6 from the IANA and its subsiquent delegations > to RIR's? Are you? It does say that IANA can revoke allocations if a registry does something really, really bad - but I agree, any wholesale revocation would be, let's say, unlikely. > > >>On a point of fact, the RIPE-NCC was established in 1992. It was certainly >>my assumption in 1995 that IANA would further delegate prefixes to >>the registries, and that the registries would remain active in the >>IETF, so that address assignment practices would inform and be informed >>by IETF discussions. That still seems to be happening, fortunately. > > > As I indicated earlier, MOST of the RIRs came AFTER these RFCs > came into existance. And as far as I am aware, there is no special > "RIR" class of participation in the IETF, since IETF activity is > by individual. Certainly the RIR policy process is based on > individual participation. Statements from the IETF about how they > think address assignment practices should occur are, on occasion, > are taken by indivduals and crafted into policy proposals. But then > the proposals are from individuals, not the IETF. Well, they may, or may not, become statements of IETF consensus. But my point wasn't about formalism - I think we all win if RIR people are active in IETF discussions, and we all lose if they aren't. Brian From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Aug 08 11:19:51 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GATN1-0005GY-Bz for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:19:51 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GATN0-00074q-4V for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:19:51 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GATLY-000Pxz-FM for v6ops-data@psg.com; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:18:20 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.1 Received: from [198.32.6.68] (helo=karoshi.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GATLX-000Pxn-UZ for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:18:20 +0000 Received: from karoshi.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k78FHHYI027732; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:17:17 GMT Received: (from bmanning@localhost) by karoshi.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id k78FHFHw027731; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:17:15 GMT Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:17:14 +0000 From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com, Fred Baker , v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs Message-ID: <20060808151714.GA27685@vacation.karoshi.com.> References: <20060807185523.GA21168@vacation.karoshi.com.> <44D85634.9040707@zurich.ibm.com> <20060808125518.GA26277@vacation.karoshi.com.> <44D8A144.7020000@zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44D8A144.7020000@zurich.ibm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de look guys, you asked for opinions, I gave mine. i'm going to agree that we may disagree on certain aspects of history and the relative outcomes of choices that are made. i still believe that RFC 1881 and RFC 1887 are or should be historic. You may choose to believe differently. And given your status, you have the power to enforce your beliefs. I don't. 'nuff said. --bill From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Aug 10 14:02:28 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBErU-0006wb-NT for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:02:28 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GBErT-0001G2-Cs for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:02:28 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GBEnq-000NjF-4l for v6ops-data@psg.com; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:58:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [204.9.221.19] (helo=thingmagic.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GBEno-000Niy-5c for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:58:40 +0000 Received: from [66.30.121.250] (account margaret HELO [192.168.2.5]) by thingmagic.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.1) with ESMTPSA id 1181375; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:58:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <44D20345.3040602@zurich.ibm.com> References: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A10177412A@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <44D20345.3040602@zurich.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <86B846DB-1CE4-4E82-8C05-689A46198179@thingmagic.com> Cc: "Templin, Fred L" , Tony Hain , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margaret Wasserman Subject: Re: Review of draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:57:50 -0400 To: Brian E Carpenter X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab This is also how I expect that ULAs will be used. Split DNS solves the _destination_ address selection problem, after which source address selection can be done using the usual longest- match model. Margaret On Aug 3, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > That's what I've always assumed would be the usage of > ULAs. > > Brian > > Templin, Fred L wrote: >> On split-DNS, I have been studying address configuration in >> a different context lately (NETLMM wg) and am leaning toward >> a model in which nodes within an enterprise would use global >> addresses only for communications with nodes in other >> enterprises and would use ULAs for communications with nodes >> in the same enterprise. So, that would automatically imply >> split-DNS. Would that be a problem? >> Fred >> fred.l.templin@boeing.com -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brc@zurich.ibm.com] Sent: >> Saturday, July 15, 2006 2:30 PM >> To: Tony Hain >> Cc: 'Margaret Wasserman'; v6ops@ops.ietf.org >> Subject: Re: Review of draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt >> ... >>>> One of the problems with NAT, at least from my perspective, is that >>>> they require a split-DNS employment to get local name resolution. >>>> Are we expecting that NAP will have that same property? >>> >>> >>> Split-DNS would make the non-local case more efficient, but it is >>> not >> a hard >>> requirement like it is with IPv4/nat. Given that enterprises have >> nodes that >>> they don't want the world to know about they are likely to be >>> running >> some >>> form of split-DNS anyway, so I don't see this as a big deal either >> way. >> Personal opinion: in enterprise network deployments, split DNS is as >> likely to go away as firewalls. If an enterprise has internal servers >> that it wishes to hide from the outside world, split DNS is >> inevitable. >> As Tony says, NAP will work without it (i.e. if a ULA appears in >> global >> DNS, it will be unrouteable) but I bet it will be as widespread in >> IPv6 >> as it is for IPv4. >> Brian From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 14 14:25:59 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCh8R-0004j3-5y for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:25:59 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GCh8P-0000Uc-PJ for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:25:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GCh4s-0001Ka-VU for v6ops-data@psg.com; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:22:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [63.226.138.12] (helo=mpls-relay-02.inet.qwest.net) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GCh4q-0001KG-1g for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 18:22:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 63423 invoked by uid 0); 14 Aug 2006 18:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scorp01.corp.cmdinfo.com) (65.120.79.2) by mpls-relay-02.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2006 18:22:12 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:22:00 -0400 Message-ID: <7158315D3917854D9AD5B36BFF8CD3F10BA4F7@scorp01.corp.cmdinfo.com> From: "John Spence" To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: comment on draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-01.txt ... 3.3.1.2 ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6BFCE.99B31A96" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: comment on draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-01.txt ... 3.3.1.2 ... Thread-Index: Aca/zoiFov2cnQnUQXaSnEa466mgKw== Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6BFCE.99B31A96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Small thing. In 3.3.1.2 the text, third paragraph, calls this range of addresses "Subnet Router Anycast", when I believe they are simply called "Subnet Anycast" addresses - the "Subnet Router Anycast" address is a single anycast address where all 64 host bits are set to zero. The Subnet Router Anycast addresses is a range, where the 7 low bits are mostly reserved, but identify "which" Subnet Anycast" specifically. Documented here (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2526.txt). =20 John Spence, Command Information spence@commandinformation.com =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6BFCE.99B31A96 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Small thing.  In 3.3.1.2 the text, third = paragraph, calls this range of addresses “Subnet Router Anycast”, when = I believe they are simply called “Subnet Anycast” addresses – = the “Subnet Router Anycast” address is a single anycast address where all 64 = host bits are set to zero.  The Subnet Router Anycast addresses is a = range, where the 7 low bits are mostly reserved, but identify = “which” Subnet Anycast” specifically.  Documented here = (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2526.txt).=

 

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with ESMTP id k7HDlkHH029347; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:50:14 +0100 Received: (from tjc@localhost) by login.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) id k7GA2cio007539; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:02:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 11:02:37 +0100 From: Tim Chown To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org Subject: Re: Question about past advice to RIRs Message-ID: <20060816100237.GE7179@login.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Kessens , iab@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-ECS-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-ECS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ECS-MailScanner-From: tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a76bcd37b1c8a21336eb0a1ea6bbf48 On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 10:26:35AM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > As discussed in the recent IETF meeting, Marla Azinger and I are > putting together a document on IPv6 multihoming. My current list of > references for the document includes the attached. Some of the > reviewers have stated that at least some of the documents should be > considered out of date. Hi Fred, Around 3 years ago I compiled a list of approaches being discussed in the multi6 WG at that time. Some of these may be useful, if only to jog memories on past approaches. Here's what I had in 2003, not updated. ------------------------------------------ * General info/overviews/requirements ------------------------------------------ - The IPv6MH web site http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/ipv6mh/ - The Multi6 IETF WG Charter http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/multi6-charter.html - Requirements for IPv6 Site-Multihoming Architectures http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-multi6-multihoming-requirements-03.txt (Expires 30 Oct 2002) (!!!) - IPv4 Multihoming Motivation, Practices and Limitations http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ietf-multi6-v4-multihoming-00.txt (Expired) - Survey on proposed IPv6 multi-homing network level mechanisms http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-bagnulo-multi6-survey6-00.txt (Expired) ------------------------------------------ * Network/router oriented drafts/solutions ------------------------------------------ - MHAP: Multi Homing Aliasing Protocol http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/ipv6mh/draft-py-mhap-01a.txt A router solution, not a host one, for SOHO to full Enterprise networks. Some questions over resilience of RV points to attack. (No expiry, non-IETF proposal) - IPv6 Reverse Routing Header and its application to Mobile Networks http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-thubert-nemo-reverse-routing-header-01.txt There is some multihomed mobile network discussion in Appendix B. (Expires 11 Apr 2003) - Extension Header for Site-Multi-homing support http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bagnulo-multi6-mhexthdr-00.txt http://www.it.uc3m.es/marcelo/mhExtHdr.txt Uses new extension header to carry alternative route information. Problem for router vendors to add new header in hardware. (Expires 23 Apr 2003) - GFN Geographical aggregation using BGP(?) Reference? - Scalable support for multi-homed multi-provider connectivity http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-rfced-info-bates-multihoming-01.txt Routing based methods for IPv4 or IPv6, but old. (Expired) - A proposal for scalable network-level multihoming http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ramki-multi6-nlmp-00.txt Uses BGP/tunnels. (Expired) - Multi Homing Translation Protocol (MHTP) http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-py-multi6-mhtp-01.txt A predecesor to MHAP (Expired) - GSE - An Alternate Addressing Architecture for IPv6 (aka 8+8) http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ietf-ipngwg-gseaddr-00.txt A set of approaches that generally uses rewriting at the border router. (Expired) - GSE+ - An Alternate Addressing Architecture to GSE http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-durand-gse+-00.txt (Expired) - Multihomed routing domain issues for IPv6 aggregatable scheme http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ietf-ngtrans-6bone-multi-01.txt Would probably need AH protection. (Expired) - IPv6 Multihoming with Route Aggregation http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ietf-ipngwg-ipv6multihome-with-aggr-01.txt (Expired) - Routing support for IPv6 Multi-homing http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-bragg-ipv6-multihoming-00.txt Uses loose source based routing. (Expired) ------------------------------------------ * PI addressing based drafts/solutions ------------------------------------------ - An IPv6 Provider-Independent Global Unicast Address Format http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-03.txt Application and Use of the IPv6 Provider Independent Global Unicast Address Format ttp://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hain-ipv6-pi-addr-use-03.txt Use WGS-84 positioning for geographic PI address allocation. (Expires Mar 2003) - Provider-Internal Aggregation based on Geography to Support Multihoming in IPv6 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-multi6-isp-int-aggr-00.txt Suggests geograophically based aggregation of provider address space. (Expires Apr 2003) - GAPI: A Geographically Aggregatable Provider Independent Address Space to Support Multihoming in IPv6 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-py-multi6-gapi-00.txt An address allocation scheme based on geography and city size. (Expires Apr 2003) ------------------------------------------ * Host-oriented drafts/solutions ------------------------------------------ - Host-Centric IPv6 Multihoming http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-huitema-multi6-hosts-01.txt (Expires 24 Dec 2002) Proposing a host multihoming solution using largely existing components. http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/ipv6mh/HostCentricMulti6.pdf (IETF55 slides) - Default Address Selection for IPv6 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ipv6-default-addr-select-09.txt (Expires 6 Feb 2003) - SCTP RFC2960 (Stream Control Transmission Protocol) Also: RFC3257 (applicability), RFC3286 (introduction), RFC3309. A protocol using heartbeats to detect path availability for multihoming. http://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/ipv6mh/ipv6mh-sctp.pdf (IETF55 slides) - The Architecture of End to End Multihoming http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ohta-e2e-multihoming-03.txt An end to end (host-based) proposal (Expires Apr 2003) - Multihoming issues in the Stream Control Transmission Protocol http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-coene-sctp-multihome-03.txt (Expired) - Multi-homed Host Support in IPv6 http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-shand-ipv6-multi-homing-01.txt Host-based, includes requirements (Expired) - Multi-homed TCP http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-huitema-multi-homed-0.txt The first multihoming draft? 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v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:04:15 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEEJy-0000fT-Bm for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:04:15 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GEEGJ-000KlU-HN for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:00:27 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [131.228.20.170] (helo=mgw-ext11.nokia.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GEEGH-000Kkf-L4 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:00:25 +0000 Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.1.10/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id k7IN0Owk021931 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 02:00:25 +0300 Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.28]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:00:23 +0300 Received: from daec-linuxvpn059131.americas.nokia.com ([10.241.59.131]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:00:21 +0300 Subject: Comments to draft-ietf-v6ops-802-16-deployment-scenarios-00 From: "Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo)" To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 03:00:18 +0300 Message-Id: <1155945618.10982.42.camel@JSo-Linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-27) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2006 00:00:22.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[77552150:01C6C322] Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 Hi, I just remembered that I was supposed to review the document in questions. I had many questions and comments, so I took here only the ones that I thought were the most critical. 1) I'm not sure what network this document is describing. At least, I couldn't recognize Wimax from this document. Is this WiBro or is this a general 802.16(e) network as described in the IEEE 802.16(e) specs without a system specification? 2) How is this connected to the 16ng WG work? 3) I'm not sure if the document is describing really IPv6 deployment scenarios, 802.16 network architecture options, 802.16 deployment scenarios, or provides more of a tutorial to 802.16. There are many things explained and discussed that seem to be more of a study of 802.16 itself. Or maybe I'm just confused myself (good probability). 4) Title, "ISP IPv6 Deployment Scenarios in Wireless Broadband Access Networks", might be a bit misleading. The document discusses actually about 802.16(e) wireless networks and other wireless broadband access networks are not considered. Maybe "IPv6 Deployment Scenarios in 802.16 (e) networks" would be a better title. 5) Section 2.2: A Cellular-like Deployment Model "All original IPv6 functionalities will not survive and some of them might be compromised to efficiently serve IPv6 to this 'Cellular-like' use case." I couldn't quite understand this. Maybe rephrasing would be in order. 6) Section 2.2: A Cellular-like Deployment Model "In particular, IEEE 802.16e working group standardized such mobility features and the specification of IEEE 802.16e provides some competition to the existing cellular systems." I wonder how useful the information that the author believes that 802.16e is competing with existing cellular systems. This document should be about deploying IPv6 over IEEE 802.16, in my opinion - not a business outlook... 7) Section 2.2: " Under the use case, however, IEEE 802.16 standards are still IP-centric, providing packet-switched approach, while cellular standards like GSM have a more circuit-switched approach." I wonder if this comparison should be here. Especially, as GPRS provides a packet based service over GSM and WCDMA radios. Anyways, I think this info does not help to understand the IPv6 issues in 802.16e networks. Cheers, Jonne. -- Jonne Soininen Nokia Tel: +358 40 527 46 34 E-mail: jonne.soininen@nokia.com From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Aug 19 18:27:44 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEZI7-0001Sv-Vh for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:27:43 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEZI6-0005So-Bg for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:27:43 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GEZEX-0008so-1E for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:24:01 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [64.102.122.149] (helo=rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GEZDw-0008rR-V0 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:23:25 +0000 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Aug 2006 18:23:24 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,148,1154923200"; d="scan'208"; a="97632525:sNHT50574152" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7JMNOCB024855; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:23:24 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k7JMNNuI017278; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:23:23 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: IPv6 Benchmarking Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:23:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3D1C81E7AA3CD64FA20B04D269FEF7F401F46BC9@xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IPv6 Benchmarking Thread-Index: AcbCTMAs5nXZR1qvTJqgevzEOYEprwBifAug From: "Chip Popoviciu \(cpopovic\)" To: "Bill Cerveny" Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2006 22:23:23.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[15475430:01C6C3DE] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=7868; t=1156026204; x=1156890204; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=cpopovic@cisco.com; z=From:=22Chip=20Popoviciu=20\(cpopovic\)=22=20 |Subject:RE=3A=20IPv6=20Benchmarking |To:=22Bill=20Cerveny=22=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DVDJKL7icAHQNxfG46NZO+LgjvE4=3D; b=d0b4mxB6zV9NYxL+y/SI7N5iteEAvG8870TZvs18rEfizVmUX1r3qSSZ6QP5xfxoC1kIYt+p VuFeesW1rg/gsJIpzjCQAEig82NG0HSv4qU8G7+9S3p7jxNdRoDBFKZG; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=cpopovic@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 86f85b2f88b0d50615aed44a7f9e33c7 =20 NOTE: Cross posting this discussion of the IPv6 Benchmarking draft (http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bmwg/draft-popoviciu-bmwg-ipv6benchmarking-01. txt) to the v6ops and bmwg aliases as this is a topic of interest to both work groups. Feedback is very welcomed! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------- Bill, I appreciate the fact that you shared with us this particular reference. It is an excellent example that supports our decision to include in the IPv6 Benchmarking draft the scenario of evaluating the performance of processing traffic with extension headers (section 4.3) while filters for upper layer protocols are applied (section 5.2.2). Such benchmarking tests could uncover the fact that the DUT either is not processing such traffic correctly or that its forwarding performance is significantly impacted under such circumstances. Both these situations would be critical data points in the process of evaluating networking equipment. Thank you again for your valuable comments and suggestions below and we hope you will continue to help us improve this draft. Best Regards, Chip -----Original Message----- From: Bill Cerveny [mailto:bill@wjcerveny.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:30 PM To: Chip Popoviciu (cpopovic) Cc: Ahmed Hamza (ahamza); Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve); Diego Dugatkin; Kine, Bill; Al Morton Subject: RE: IPv6 Benchmarking Chip, Regarding the fragmentation header comment, I did a presentation at Joint-Techs in Summer 2005 about the scenario I encountered. See: After reviewing the presentation I did and the original problem, the problem really appeared to have been a combination of the next header of a fragmented UDP packet being listed as a fragmentation header and perhaps the UDP message being shifted in the packet because of the fragmentation header. The router "firewall filter" has been configured to allow packets with a specific UDP port number. The router failed to recognize that the packets with fragmentation headers contained UDP messages. The router likely never thought to evaluate the UDP port number because it had already determined the payload wasn't a UDP message. In the scenario I encountered, the incorrect filtering behavior resulted in "good" packets being dropped. But, of course, the opposite could happen where "bad" packets don't get dropped. To my knowledge, this issue still exists with some routers. I'm told other routers will correctly figure this out, but I've always wanted to test and confirm this. A network security expert suggested that an answer might be to filter/drop all packets with extension headers. =20 Finally, there was also one other failure with the scenario regarding the application. The application (iperf) should have performed PMTU discovery and figured out the packets would fragment, which it did not. An iperf application developer happened to be in the audience and said he would fix iperf in the next release ;-) Bill On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:41:26 -0400, "Chip Popoviciu (cpopovic)" said: >=20 > Bill, >=20 > Thank you very much for your comments and suggestions and I apologize=20 > for the delay in my reply. >=20 > Here is a summary of the actions taken: >=20 > We will follow your advice regarding the filters and IPv4-IPv6 parity=20 > We will strengthen the point about packet size differences as you=20 > suggested Yes, you are right, we covered the handling of Fragmentation > Header conceptually and explicitly in section 4.3. When you say in=20 > your comment "how the DUT filters fragmented packets" are you=20 > referring at filtering based on the Fragmentation EH type? >=20 > I integrated all the editorial suggestions you made. >=20 > Again, many thanks for your feedback! >=20 > Best Regards, > Chip >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: William Cerveny [mailto:wcerveny@eml.cc] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 4:59 PM > To: Chip Popoviciu (cpopovic) > Cc: Ahmed Hamza (ahamza); Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve); Diego=20 > Dugatkin; Kine, Bill > Subject: Re: IPv6 Benchmarking >=20 > Chip, >=20 > My comments on the IPv6 benchmarking draft. First I think this is a=20 > pretty good document. That said, I have a some comments for your > consideration: > - You detail IPv6 filter recommendations. I would recommend=20 > mentioning that if comparisons between IPv4 and IPv6 performance are=20 > desired, an equal number of IPv4 filters should be implemented on the=20 > DUT (I could be convinced this isn't important though). > - You allude to this at the end of section 4.3, but I would more=20 > clearly recommend that testers ensure that the total IPv4 and IPv6=20 > packet sizes are the same as IPv4 and IPv6 headers will be different sizes. > - One case I was looking for was the case I encountered in the wild;=20 > where a router didn't allow a specific UDP port number because of the=20 > presence of a fragmentation header. I think you've covered this=20 > topic, although it could be interesting to document how the DUT=20 > filters fragmented packets. >=20 > Grammatical: > - Section 1, Introduction: > s/facilitates the objective/facilitates objective/ %s/Extension=20 > Header/extension header/g > - Section 3: Test Environment Set Up > s/are the same to the ones/are the same as the ones/ s/test conditions > or it is/test conditions or if it is/ "The dynamic option is however=20 > preferred ..." -- awkward, in my opinion, consider rewording this=20 > s/scenarios stem from the assumption that/scenarios assume/ s/end=20 > points, the/end points and the/ s/DUT, but is seen/DUT, but are seen/ > - Section 4.1, Frame Formats and Sizes: > s/40 bytes long header/40-byte header/ > - Section 4.1.2: Frame sizes to be used on SONET: > "For this reason it is recommended to evaluate the forwarding=20 > performance of such interfaces if present or are an option in the DUT" > -- What does the "or are an option in the DUT" mean? > - Section 4.2.1: DUT Protocol Addresses: > s/In order to maintain the consistency with the IPv4/To maintain=20 > consistency with IPv4/ -Section 4.2.2: Test Traffic Protocol Addresses: > s/sources and destinations/source and destination addresses/ "The=20 > source addresses SHOULD belon to one half..." -- This looks like a=20 > repeat of same from 4.2.1 %s/Hop-by-Hop/hop-by-hop/g > - Section 5.2.2: Filter Format: > s/measure the impact on performance/measure the performance impact/=20 > s/In > IPv6 routers do not/In IPv6, routers do not/ s/analyzed due to the=20 > filters for example/analyzed due to the filters, for example./ s/For=20 > this/For these/ ??? > s/in order to evaluate/to evaluate/ >=20 > Bill Cerveny >=20 > On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:57:18 -0400, "Chip Popoviciu (cpopovic)" > said: > > Dear v6ops, > > =20 > > Thank you for the opportunity offered to bring before you some=20 > > challenging topics related to IPv6 benchmarking. We believe strongly > > in the need for IPv6 benchmarking guidelines to help IPv6 deployment > > planning and we hope to receive advice based on the operational=20 > > expertise of this WG. As promised during the Wednesday session, here > > is a pointer to the IPv6 benchmarking draft: > > =20 > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bmwg/draft-popoviciu-bmwg-ipv6benchmarking- > > 01 > > .t > > xt > > =20 > > Please send us your comments and suggestions, they are very much=20 > > appreciated. > > =20 > > Best Regards, > > Chip > -- > William Cerveny > wcerveny@wjcerveny.com > 7117 North Lake Orchard Drive > Gregory, MI 48137 > phone: 734-780-8131 From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Aug 20 21:32:42 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEyeg-0000cx-0t for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:32:42 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GEyeb-0003nm-Cm for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:32:42 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GEyak-0006Ry-Pq for v6ops-data@psg.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:28:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.1 Received: from [64.233.166.181] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GEyaj-0006Rl-Nn for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:28:37 +0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n25so2221326pyg for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:28:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sJvPesaUSVzqBEicMEXeAcCSqdUZZhnPqt9lSjuPCt2zamYgEs5Xk25260vWqrMj8k/K5BHyk3bKYgERHFqrT4pvyAWME5sV4Zd8FDN5fZ+7mvUNN2VQ7EaGEKKKkfK1V2S2t73zo3qoLj5P/wZzcJFto5uW13UDljaTiBRprVU= Received: by 10.35.66.12 with SMTP id t12mr12082313pyk; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?129.254.112.125? ( [129.254.112.125]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r15sm2294103nza.2006.08.20.18.28.34; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44E90C39.906@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:28:25 +0900 From: Myung-Ki Shin Reply-To: myungki.shin@gmail.com Organization: ETRI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo)" CC: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Comments to draft-ietf-v6ops-802-16-deployment-scenarios-00 References: <1155945618.10982.42.camel@JSo-Linux> In-Reply-To: <1155945618.10982.42.camel@JSo-Linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Hi Jonne, many thanks for this. Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo) wrote: > I just remembered that I was supposed to review the document in > questions. I had many questions and comments, so I took here only the > ones that I thought were the most critical. Actullay, authors are now updating the draft(-01), so we will send the revised one to you (and Jordi, Alain) first to review it again before it is published. > 1) I'm not sure what network this document is describing. At least, I > couldn't recognize Wimax from this document. Is this WiBro or is this a > general 802.16(e) network as described in the IEEE 802.16(e) specs > without a system specification? The goal of this draft is to describe IPv6 deployment scenarios in IEEE 802.16(e), not specific to WiMAX or WiBro only. We consider all the possible deployment scenarios over IEEE 802.16(e). At this phase, we are going to rephrasing the scenarios according to comments from WiMAX, WiBro experts, etc.; mobile access deployment, fixed/nomadic deployment and 3GPP-like deployment scenarios. We don't need to describe detail system specifications. As you know, 16ng WG is also discussing about subnet models over IEEE 802.16(e) and scope of 16ng WG (e.g., more than that of WiMAX). We are following the discussion up too. > 2) How is this connected to the 16ng WG work? V6ops is in collaboration with 16ng WG with respect to this draft. This darft is also refered to initial discussion of the subnet DT of 16ng. http://daniel.vsix.net/16ng/v6subnetdt.html > 3) I'm not sure if the document is describing really IPv6 deployment > scenarios, 802.16 network architecture options, 802.16 deployment > scenarios, or provides more of a tutorial to 802.16. There are many > things explained and discussed that seem to be more of a study of 802.16 > itself. Or maybe I'm just confused myself (good probability). We will try more to come into focus on IPv6 deployment scenarios, but follow the structure of [I-D.ietf-v6ops-bb-deployment-scenarios]. > 4) Title, "ISP IPv6 Deployment Scenarios in Wireless Broadband Access > Networks", might be a bit misleading. The document discusses actually > about 802.16(e) wireless networks and other wireless broadband access > networks are not considered. Maybe "IPv6 Deployment Scenarios in 802.16 > (e) networks" would be a better title. It seems to be fine with me. > 5) Section 2.2: A Cellular-like Deployment Model "All original IPv6 > functionalities will not survive and some of them might be compromised > to efficiently serve IPv6 to this 'Cellular-like' use case." > I couldn't quite understand this. Maybe rephrasing would be in order. Okay. > 6) Section 2.2: A Cellular-like Deployment Model "In particular, IEEE > 802.16e working group standardized such mobility features and the > specification of IEEE 802.16e provides some competition to the existing > cellular systems." > I wonder how useful the information that the author believes that > 802.16e is competing with existing cellular systems. This document > should be about deploying IPv6 over IEEE 802.16, in my opinion - not a > business outlook... We will remove this. > 7) Section 2.2: " Under the use case, however, IEEE 802.16 standards are > still IP-centric, providing packet-switched approach, while cellular > standards like GSM have a more circuit-switched approach." > I wonder if this comparison should be here. Especially, as GPRS provides > a packet based service over GSM and WCDMA radios. Anyways, I think this > info does not help to understand the IPv6 issues in 802.16e networks. Fine with me. Thanks, Myung-Ki, From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 21 05:45:19 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF6LP-0006Ps-8G for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:45:19 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF6LN-0004VM-Ny for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:45:19 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GF6Ko-0000Jf-9g for v6ops-data@psg.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:44:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.1 Received: from [64.102.122.148] (helo=rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GF6Kd-0000HE-EN for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:44:31 +0000 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2006 02:44:29 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,151,1154934000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="37156628:sNHT50631692" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7L9iS1X008073; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:44:29 -0400 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k7L9iSg2004509; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:44:28 +0200 (MEST) Received: from xmb-ams-331.cisco.com ([144.254.231.76]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:44:28 +0200 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C506.64C5A4CA" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: comment on draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-01.txt ... 3.3.1.2 ... Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:44:26 +0200 Message-ID: <2C9EA52903BE104EB172E2DB1FD48D9D0129FC3A@xmb-ams-331.emea.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: comment on draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-01.txt ... 3.3.1.2 ... Thread-Index: Aca/zoiFov2cnQnUQXaSnEa466mgKwFN4y+g From: "Gunter Van de Velde \(gvandeve\)" To: "John Spence" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2006 09:44:28.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[64E82950:01C6C506] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=6714; t=1156153469; x=1157017469; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=gvandeve@cisco.com; z=From:=22Gunter=20Van=20de=20Velde=20\(gvandeve\)=22=20 |Subject:RE=3A=20comment=20on=20draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-01.txt=20...=203.3.1.2=20 ... |To:=22John=20Spence=22=20,=20; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DuFNwL3WNcZWkYLlZSpo7wcpoQ2Y=3D; b=WxSsskGqapfmk2GaMxODI/KLW23sMAfat+m+kKoMQaKr2prZa866+N+hNE1b0zAD3ZcfahQI 3WVx8pPmtDkWgRpUwk3BLAdzMx4pggbE5mKsV/TYZvRAaCUhvJvD6O6P; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=gvandeve@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( 59 extraneous bytes; sig from cisco.com verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9af087f15dbdd4c64ae6bbcdbc5b1d44 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C506.64C5A4CA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John, =20 Good catch. It was a left-over of some correctione between some of the earlier releases where some correction were done in this section. =20 I have made this correction for the addcon-02 draft. =20 Many thanks, G/ ________________________________ From: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org [mailto:owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Spence Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:22 PM To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: comment on draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-01.txt ... 3.3.1.2 ... Small thing. In 3.3.1.2 the text, third paragraph, calls this range of addresses "Subnet Router Anycast", when I believe they are simply called "Subnet Anycast" addresses - the "Subnet Router Anycast" address is a single anycast address where all 64 host bits are set to zero. The Subnet Router Anycast addresses is a range, where the 7 low bits are mostly reserved, but identify "which" Subnet Anycast" specifically. Documented here (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2526.txt). =20 John Spence, Command Information spence@commandinformation.com =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C506.64C5A4CA Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi John,
 
Good catch. It was a left-over of some = correctione between=20 some of the earlier releases where some correction were done in this=20 section.
 
I have made this correction for the = addcon-02=20 draft.
 
Many thanks,
G/

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Small thing.  In = 3.3.1.2 the=20 text, third paragraph, calls this range of addresses “Subnet = Router Anycast”,=20 when I believe they are simply called “Subnet Anycast” = addresses – the “Subnet=20 Router Anycast” address is a single anycast address where all 64 = host bits are=20 set to zero.  The Subnet Router Anycast addresses is a range, where = the 7=20 low bits are mostly reserved, but identify “which” Subnet = Anycast”=20 specifically.  Documented here=20 (ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc2526.txt).=

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C506.64C5A4CA-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 21 06:04:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF6dX-0003Tk-Lj for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF6dX-0000fw-KA for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:04:03 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF6Bb-0001cc-Tg for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:35:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GF68o-000P69-1g for v6ops-data@psg.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:32:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [195.212.29.153] (helo=mtagate4.de.ibm.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GF68m-000P5h-1O for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:32:16 +0000 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate4.de.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7L9WDRK117750 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:32:13 GMT Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.229]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k7L9aCF7148692 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:36:12 +0200 Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7L9WDkg023290 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:32:13 +0200 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7L9WCMs023281; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:32:12 +0200 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (sig-9-145-130-135.de.ibm.com [9.145.130.135]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA53996; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:32:09 +0200 Message-ID: <44E97D9A.20806@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 11:32:10 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: myungki.shin@gmail.com CC: "Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo)" , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Comments to draft-ietf-v6ops-802-16-deployment-scenarios-00 References: <1155945618.10982.42.camel@JSo-Linux> <44E90C39.906@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <44E90C39.906@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 057ebe9b96adec30a7efb2aeda4c26a4 I would suggest also looking carefully at draft-iab-link-encaps-02.txt. It's directly relevant to the operational complexity problems of IP over 802.16 caused by the existence of multiple convergence sublayers. I think the scenarios need to be more specific about the CS choices and about how roaming will work when forced to move from one CS to another. Brian Myung-Ki Shin wrote: > Hi Jonne, many thanks for this. > > Soininen Jonne (Nokia-NET/Espoo) wrote: > >> I just remembered that I was supposed to review the document in >> questions. I had many questions and comments, so I took here only the >> ones that I thought were the most critical. > > > Actullay, authors are now updating the draft(-01), so we will send the > revised one to you (and Jordi, Alain) first to review it again before it > is published. > >> 1) I'm not sure what network this document is describing. At least, I >> couldn't recognize Wimax from this document. Is this WiBro or is this a >> general 802.16(e) network as described in the IEEE 802.16(e) specs >> without a system specification? > > > The goal of this draft is to describe IPv6 deployment scenarios in IEEE > 802.16(e), not specific to WiMAX or WiBro only. We consider all the > possible deployment scenarios over IEEE 802.16(e). > > At this phase, we are going to rephrasing the scenarios according to > comments from WiMAX, WiBro experts, etc.; mobile access deployment, > fixed/nomadic deployment and 3GPP-like deployment scenarios. We don't > need to describe detail system specifications. > > As you know, 16ng WG is also discussing about subnet models over IEEE > 802.16(e) and scope of 16ng WG (e.g., more than that of WiMAX). We are > following the discussion up too. > >> 2) How is this connected to the 16ng WG work? > > > V6ops is in collaboration with 16ng WG with respect to this draft. > This darft is also refered to initial discussion of the subnet DT of > 16ng. > > http://daniel.vsix.net/16ng/v6subnetdt.html > >> 3) I'm not sure if the document is describing really IPv6 deployment >> scenarios, 802.16 network architecture options, 802.16 deployment >> scenarios, or provides more of a tutorial to 802.16. There are many >> things explained and discussed that seem to be more of a study of 802.16 >> itself. Or maybe I'm just confused myself (good probability). > > > We will try more to come into focus on IPv6 deployment scenarios, but > follow the structure of [I-D.ietf-v6ops-bb-deployment-scenarios]. > >> 4) Title, "ISP IPv6 Deployment Scenarios in Wireless Broadband Access >> Networks", might be a bit misleading. The document discusses actually >> about 802.16(e) wireless networks and other wireless broadband access >> networks are not considered. Maybe "IPv6 Deployment Scenarios in 802.16 >> (e) networks" would be a better title. > > > It seems to be fine with me. > >> 5) Section 2.2: A Cellular-like Deployment Model "All original IPv6 >> functionalities will not survive and some of them might be compromised >> to efficiently serve IPv6 to this 'Cellular-like' use case." I >> couldn't quite understand this. Maybe rephrasing would be in order. > > > Okay. > >> 6) Section 2.2: A Cellular-like Deployment Model "In particular, IEEE >> 802.16e working group standardized such mobility features and the >> specification of IEEE 802.16e provides some competition to the existing >> cellular systems." >> I wonder how useful the information that the author believes that >> 802.16e is competing with existing cellular systems. This document >> should be about deploying IPv6 over IEEE 802.16, in my opinion - not a >> business outlook... > > > We will remove this. > >> 7) Section 2.2: " Under the use case, however, IEEE 802.16 standards are >> still IP-centric, providing packet-switched approach, while cellular >> standards like GSM have a more circuit-switched approach." I wonder if >> this comparison should be here. Especially, as GPRS provides >> a packet based service over GSM and WCDMA radios. Anyways, I think this >> info does not help to understand the IPv6 issues in 802.16e networks. > > > Fine with me. > > Thanks, > Myung-Ki, > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 21 08:19:45 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF8kr-0002Ho-DV for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:19:45 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GF8kp-0002fO-2j for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:19:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GF8iZ-000FXJ-Sg for v6ops-data@psg.com; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:17:23 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.1 Received: from [64.102.122.149] (helo=rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GF8iZ-000FX6-7s for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:17:23 +0000 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2006 08:17:22 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,151,1154923200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="97774224:sNHT47020632" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7LCHLDl012932 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:17:22 -0400 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k7LCHLg2027566 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: from xmb-ams-331.cisco.com ([144.254.231.76]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:21 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C51B.C0C28C0A" Subject: Review Feedback requested for -addcon-01 draft Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:17:21 +0200 Message-ID: <2C9EA52903BE104EB172E2DB1FD48D9D0129FD03@xmb-ams-331.emea.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Review Feedback requested for -addcon-01 draft Thread-Index: AcbFG8CSlT5i16fcSqqBu+v16FyzHA== From: "Gunter Van de Velde \(gvandeve\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2006 12:17:21.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0DCEA10:01C6C51B] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1959; t=1156162642; x=1157026642; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=gvandeve@cisco.com; z=From:=22Gunter=20Van=20de=20Velde=20\(gvandeve\)=22=20 |Subject:Review=20Feedback=20requested=20for=20-addcon-01=20draft |To:; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DXw9xFKYo0uzy+F0NLwqy+Z4NyeY=3D; b=hNMacmFlmzMGKjLAw6K4EzgpwTB/2m/xS7PVijVCc77S+ZiSoKn6nMOJzjf2sI1VO6SknyBH m11aIE57LWPVH0eDp1jV8hOqbLWRXdhPM+ZbA2BcWzZ7HyzcmwepLuZF; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=gvandeve@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( 59 extraneous bytes; sig from cisco.com verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C51B.C0C28C0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, =20 The editor team of draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-01.txt is working on an updated release now that we all are refreshed just after the holiday period.=20 Please sent your feedbacks to the list so we can include your thoughts in the -02 version of the draft. 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To take advantage of this Limited Time Opportunity, please take a minute and confirm your curiosity or intention to accept this loan, at the following web-site: http://H5T.989iop.com ============================================== Maybe it was his pop who sent him over to me, he thought about Arthur. knew also that when the sun came up and the fog settled into dew, he would From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Aug 25 15:54:57 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGhlS-0006p7-2e for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:54:51 -0400 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGfr9-0001pI-Gz for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:52:35 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGfn2-0002Wo-FH for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:48:27 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGfkM-00034Z-76 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:45:34 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [66.54.152.27] (helo=jive.SoftHome.net) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGfkL-000345-HY for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:45:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 5066 invoked by uid 417); 25 Aug 2006 17:45:30 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 17:45:30 -0000 Received: from ericklaptop ([82.166.130.37]) (AUTH: LOGIN ericlklein@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:45:28 -0600 Message-ID: <002c01c6c86e$403487a0$0401a8c0@ftssoft.com> From: "Eric Klein" To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org References: <071601c6b0e3$3ae1d020$247ba8c0@tndh.net> <44CD09D2.4080509@piuha.net> <003f01c6b47a$8f378cb0$9ac312c6@ftssoft.com> Subject: Re: Resolution of my discuss comments for draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:45:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Klein" To: "Jari Arkko" ; "Tony Hain" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:23 Subject: Re: Resolution of my discuss comments for draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt I seem to have miss a little bit, has there been any action / or change since during August? Eric From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Aug 25 18:08:02 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGjqM-0000Ts-MU for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:08:02 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGjqE-0002Vh-Dg for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:08:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGjoI-0001qT-EF for v6ops-data@psg.com; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:05:54 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [213.186.38.137] (helo=27.mail-out.ovh.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGjoH-0001q8-KX for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 22:05:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 17838 invoked by uid 503); 25 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0000 Received: from b6.ovh.net (HELO mail170.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.56) by 27.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 22:07:21 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 22:05:40 -0000 Received: from st3-1-3.tky.hut.fi (postmaster%simphalempin.com@130.233.27.57) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2006 22:05:38 -0000 From: =?utf-8?q?R=C3=A9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Organization: SimPhalempin.Com To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Tunnels and diffserv question Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:05:25 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart64254772.pXDhJ4zRDb"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> X-Ovh-Remote: 130.233.27.57 (st3-1-3.tky.hut.fi) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 --nextPart64254772.pXDhJ4zRDb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I was looking at RFC 2983 (Diffserv and tunnels)... and now, I'm left=20 wondering: how (if at all) does/should this apply to IPv6 transitions=20 mechanisms (6to4, Teredo, ...) ? Anyone has a hint there? Regards, =2D-=20 R=C3=A9mi Denis-Courmont http://www.remlab.net/ --nextPart64254772.pXDhJ4zRDb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE73Qtw+xtvt1tEr0RAv5xAKD7p0Hlvy9ofl6kE+/F5zxglh0cdgCgqiWO 4MEUCq0Gk8+NYTdvvex5tmo= =i8ta -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart64254772.pXDhJ4zRDb-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Aug 25 20:16:39 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGlqp-0004n7-Nc for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:16:39 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGlqk-00053J-FV for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:16:39 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGlot-000Eg8-He for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:14:39 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [213.136.24.43] (helo=purgatory.unfix.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGlos-000Efw-OW for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:14:39 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by purgatory.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C1C140C55A; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:14:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: purgatory.unfix.org - http://unfix.org Received: from purgatory.unfix.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (purgatory.unfix.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oSAqT97wcRQI; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:14:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:7b8:20d:0:216:cfff:fe00:e7d0] (unknown [IPv6:2001:7b8:20d:0:216:cfff:fe00:e7d0]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jeroen) by purgatory.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AE9140C4CE; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:14:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:14:35 +0200 From: Jeroen Massar Organization: Unfix User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= CC: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Tunnels and diffserv question References: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> In-Reply-To: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 OpenPGP: id=333E7C23 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig69032698A48B212D91FC6CB7" Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig69032698A48B212D91FC6CB7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable R=E9mi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I was looking at RFC 2983 (Diffserv and tunnels)... and now, I'm left=20 > wondering: how (if at all) does/should this apply to IPv6 transitions=20 > mechanisms (6to4, Teredo, ...) ? The abstract mentions "IP tunnels of various forms", section 6=20 explicitly mentions "IPv6 over IPv4 tunnels (RFC1933)". This in special = and the rest of the text makes it seems to be fully applicable to all=20 the other transition mechanisms. Simply copying over the inner ToS/DS=20 field to the outer one should be sufficient. I haven't seen any=20 implementation actually doing this though, but it could be that some=20 implementations already do it in that manner. Greets, Jeroen --------------enig69032698A48B212D91FC6CB7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Jeroen Massar / http://unfix.org/~jeroen/ iHUEARECADUFAkTvkm8uFIAAAAAAFQAQcGthLWFkZHJlc3NAZ251cGcub3JnamVy b2VuQHVuZml4Lm9yZwAKCRApqihSMz58I5eMAJ9OR/VSEHmw2P3JJuCJ37NxNe7N JgCgvZ56hx9QIvh8RQ0PcPGwU72UIrk= =nOWr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig69032698A48B212D91FC6CB7-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Aug 26 06:12:50 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGv9m-0001Bi-D3 for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 06:12:50 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGv9g-0007WR-2O for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 06:12:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGv7K-000HNm-P2 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:10:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [213.186.42.179] (helo=26.mail-out.ovh.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGv7J-000HNW-VK for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:10:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 6187 invoked by uid 503); 26 Aug 2006 10:10:17 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.0); 26 Aug 2006 10:10:17 -0000 Received: from b7.ovh.net (HELO mail148.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.57) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 10:10:17 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queue-out) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 10:10:10 -0000 Received: from st3-1-3.tky.hut.fi (postmaster%simphalempin.com@130.233.27.57) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 26 Aug 2006 10:10:07 -0000 From: =?windows-1252?q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Organization: SimPhalempin.Com To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, Jeroen Massar Subject: Re: Tunnels and diffserv question Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:09:59 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> In-Reply-To: <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2500382.IvL3gENp5n"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200608261310.03421@auguste.remlab.net> X-Ovh-Remote: 130.233.27.57 (st3-1-3.tky.hut.fi) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 --nextPart2500382.IvL3gENp5n Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Le samedi 26 ao=FBt 2006 03:14, vous avez =E9crit : > The abstract mentions "IP tunnels of various forms", section 6 > explicitly mentions "IPv6 over IPv4 tunnels (RFC1933)". This in > special and the rest of the text makes it seems to be fully > applicable to all the other transition mechanisms. Simply copying > over the inner ToS/DS field to the outer one should be sufficient. Right, thanks. That's the first conceptual model from =A73.1. I was merely= =20 wondering if it was recommended that 6to4, Teredo (and ISATAP?) use the=20 first or the second model... it does not make much sense, I think, to=20 have different model implemented by different nodes since they are all=20 part of the same multi-point pseudo-tunnel. > I haven't seen any implementation actually doing this though, but it > could be that some implementations already do it in that manner. Anyway, I'm afraid this is hardly implementable in practice, since there=20 is no IPv4-equivalent of the sendmsg() IPV6_TCLASS option, but that's=20 slightly off-topic. =2D-=20 R=E9mi Denis-Courmont http://www.remlab.net/ --nextPart2500382.IvL3gENp5n Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE8B37w+xtvt1tEr0RAjfAAJ4iy0achlTmKH1XCimnLQ5c81DnxwCfdmOR L9n0RzDM90QhFHX133+iYsM= =53k7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2500382.IvL3gENp5n-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Aug 26 11:17:03 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGzuB-00042A-Ec for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:17:03 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GGzu9-00077O-TP for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:17:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGzru-000E9M-NZ for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:14:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [64.102.122.149] (helo=rtp-iport-2.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GGzrt-000E96-Qx for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 15:14:41 +0000 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Aug 2006 11:14:41 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.08,172,1154923200"; d="scan'208,146"; a="98914686:sNHT43801012" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7QFEeSd030450; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:14:40 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k7QFEeuI019498; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.112]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:14:40 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FW: [bmwg] Proposal on IPv6 Benchmarking Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:14:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3D1C81E7AA3CD64FA20B04D269FEF7F401FACE27@xmb-rtp-213.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [bmwg] Proposal on IPv6 Benchmarking Thread-Index: AcbIhEGLLkkVumazR8G27WVsZ/HImwAnXNEw From: "Chip Popoviciu \(cpopovic\)" To: Cc: "Ahmed Hamza \(ahamza\)" , "Gunter Van de Velde \(gvandeve\)" , "Diego Dugatkin" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2006 15:14:40.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A182280:01C6C922] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=5706; t=1156605280; x=1157469280; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=cpopovic@cisco.com; z=From:=22Chip=20Popoviciu=20\(cpopovic\)=22=20 |Subject:FW=3A=20[bmwg]=20Proposal=20on=20IPv6=20Benchmarking |To:; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DCjIdEYU9bPOApSynjNNbtCcJxJA=3D; b=ohrJtYuHxDBERkZyo0c6Xa7TQbExkyF7xl97a3VcdVdgriWWUFfwEmor0N3enHyhtj8LB5DA GqbiSIuERgrAeVGPrIyInnnbnzeSWrh2h02Emo/gk9KDYWXquE1r8/Kj; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=cpopovic@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0770535483960d190d4a0d020e7060bd Dear v6ops, Cross posting this call from BMWG. The next version of the IPv6 Benchmarking draft will contain the changes recommended by the members of v6ops as well. We would like to ask for you support of this draft, we believe it is an important element in the process of IPv6 adoption. Thank you for your help! Best Regards, Ciprian Popoviciu for the authors of the draft -----Original Message----- From: Al Morton [mailto:acmorton@att.com]=20 Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:20 PM To: bmwg@ietf.org Cc: Dan Romascanu Subject: [bmwg] Proposal on IPv6 Benchmarking BMWG, The proponents of IPv6 Benchmarking have prepared a description of their work effort in the form of a proposal, below. BMWG discussed this work at the Montreal IETF-66 session, where there was strong support and involved membership (see meeting minutes). The related I-D can be found here: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/bmwg/draft-popoviciu-bmwg-ipv6benchmarking-01.t xt Please weigh-in on whether this topic/draft should become part of BMWG's chartered work, by September 25, 2006 And, if you support the work, please say: + HOW you intend to support the development in BMWG, (by reviewing draft X by MM/DD/YY, for example), or + WHY this work will be beneficial to BMWG's user community, or + Modifications that would make the proposal more useful (which we will discuss on the list), and + (anything else that's constructive) And remember, we'd like to hear your opinion on the list, even if you spoke in favor of this proposal at the meeting. Thanks in advance for your efforts and commitment to BMWG! Al bmwg co-chair =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D Proposal for IPv6 Benchmarking Methodology Summary: This is a proposal for a BMWG work item that defines the IPv6 benchmarking requirements. It addresses the need for guidelines on evaluating the performance of network elements handling IPv6 traffic by itself or in conjunction with IPv4 traffic. While for the most part, the IPv4 benchmarking methodology applies to IPv6 as well, the two protocols are significantly different in certain aspects. These differences are operationally important and for this reason, it is critical to understand if network elements claiming support for IPv6 were designed and optimized for its support. This proposed document follows the structure of RFC2544 and complements it with recommendations that take into consideration the IPv6 protocol specifics. Goal: The objective of this work item is to prepare an Informational RFC that complements RFC2544 with a set of benchmarks that address IPv6 specific characteristics such as: addressing, header format changes, extension header processing rules, etc. Based on the workgroup recommendations thus far, this document will leverage existing terminology references and structurally follows RFC2544. Scope: The focus of this effort is to benchmark aspects specific to the IPv6 protocol. It is complementary to, and not a replacement for RFC2544. This document covers in detail the benchmark scenarios to be considered for IPv6 and its co-existence with IPv4. For all other benchmarks it shares with IPv4, it simply refers to RFC2544.=20 The list of media types mentioned in RFC2544 is updated with the addition of Packet over SONET interfaces. This work effort will define the size of the IPv6 Address space that should be dedicated to benchmarking, and make that recommendation to IANA. Motivation: The accelerating interest in IPv6 and its adoption has dramatically increased the need for IPv6 operational guidelines. Large scale IPv6 deployments are currently on-going or being planned. Since these deployments are most often taking place over existing IPv4 infrastructure, the main challenges faced by designers and implementors of services are:=20 "How well do my network elements support IPv6" and "What is the impact on IPv4 of deploying IPv6?" Even those network operators that have a longer term plan for deploying IPv6 are very mindful to use the regular equipment upgrade process to make their infrastructure capable of supporting IPv6. The process of acquiring and planning for IPv6 capable equipment needs to be matched with knowledge and standardized methods for evaluating its IPv6 performance. Using only the existing IPv4 benchmarking recommendations can hide the fact that a particular network element, while minimally supporting IPv6, was not designed for high performance and complete IPv6 support. This work builds on the RFC2544 recommendations by adding IPv6 specific benchmarks. It will enable the engineering community to consistently perform evaluations of networking equipment's IPv6 capabilities. Schedule: "IPv6 Benchmarking Methodology" 1) Consideration of list feedback on the proposal and current draft - on-going 2) draft-popoviciu-bmwg-ipv6benchmarking-02.txt ready for WG list review - 9/25 3) Present finalized version of the draft at IETF 67 and proceed with the Working Group Last Call process The document has been reviewed and discussed within BMWG and v6ops. With the implementation and approval of the latest recommendations, we believe=20 this document will be ready for last call towards the end of this year. _______________________________________________ bmwg mailing list bmwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwg From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Aug 27 02:57:49 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHEab-0004GU-Eu for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:57:49 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHEPL-0005z1-E1 for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:46:12 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHEOw-000DuO-W2 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:45:46 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [195.212.29.139] (helo=mtagate6.uk.ibm.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHEOw-000Du7-5J for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:45:46 +0000 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate6.uk.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7R6jifa114666 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:45:44 GMT Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.228]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k7R6lif4762010 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:47:44 +0100 Received: from d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7R6jh5h010299 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:45:43 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av02.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7R6jhpj010294; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:45:43 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com ([9.4.210.72]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA193022; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:45:42 +0200 Message-ID: <44F13F96.9070800@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:45:42 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= CC: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, Jeroen Massar , David Black Subject: Re: Tunnels and diffserv question References: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> <200608261310.03421@auguste.remlab.net> In-Reply-To: <200608261310.03421@auguste.remlab.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Le samedi 26 août 2006 03:14, vous avez écrit : > >>The abstract mentions "IP tunnels of various forms", section 6 >>explicitly mentions "IPv6 over IPv4 tunnels (RFC1933)". This in >>special and the rest of the text makes it seems to be fully >>applicable to all the other transition mechanisms. Simply copying >>over the inner ToS/DS field to the outer one should be sufficient. > > > Right, thanks. That's the first conceptual model from §3.1. I was merely > wondering if it was recommended that 6to4, Teredo (and ISATAP?) use the > first or the second model... it does not make much sense, I think, to > have different model implemented by different nodes since they are all > part of the same multi-point pseudo-tunnel. > > >>I haven't seen any implementation actually doing this though, but it >>could be that some implementations already do it in that manner. > > > Anyway, I'm afraid this is hardly implementable in practice, since there > is no IPv4-equivalent of the sendmsg() IPV6_TCLASS option, but that's > slightly off-topic. That shouldn't matter, assuming the tunnel end-point is below the socket API or somewhere inside the network. It should map the DSCP regardless of who set it. Today, DSCPs are usually set by policy or by a classifier, not by an API. Brian From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Aug 27 02:57:50 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHEac-0004G4-A1 for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:57:50 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHEO4-0005kv-VS for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:44:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHEKI-000DXT-79 for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:40:58 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [195.212.29.154] (helo=mtagate5.de.ibm.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHEKH-000DX7-Eq for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:40:57 +0000 Received: from d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.167.49]) by mtagate5.de.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7R6esHZ172784 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 06:40:54 GMT Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com [9.149.165.229]) by d12nrmr1607.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k7R6j2Ar3289270 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:45:03 +0200 Received: from d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7R6erSP019658 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:40:54 +0200 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d12av04.megacenter.de.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7R6eriK019655; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:40:53 +0200 Received: from zurich.ibm.com ([9.4.210.72]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA184370; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:40:51 +0200 Message-ID: <44F13E73.5030709@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:40:51 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= CC: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, David Black Subject: Re: Tunnels and diffserv question References: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> In-Reply-To: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Rémi, It was certainly intended to apply to all kinds of tunnels, although the hardest issues are for IPsec tunnels. Since diffserv works identically for IPv4 and IPv6, there should be no particular difficulties, just code... Brian Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Hello, > > I was looking at RFC 2983 (Diffserv and tunnels)... and now, I'm left > wondering: how (if at all) does/should this apply to IPv6 transitions > mechanisms (6to4, Teredo, ...) ? > > Anyone has a hint there? > > Regards, > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Aug 27 10:34:18 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHLiM-0008Ev-7Y for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:34:18 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHLiK-0000ml-Tx for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:34:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHLfQ-00021B-4f for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:31:16 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [171.71.176.70] (helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHLfP-00020p-Lf for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 14:31:15 +0000 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 Aug 2006 07:31:15 -0700 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7REVFXB002185; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:31:15 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k7REVEQV007409; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:31:13 -0700 Received: from [10.32.244.219] ([10.32.244.219]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:31:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> References: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Fred Baker Subject: Re: Tunnels and diffserv question Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:31:11 -0700 To: Jeroen Massar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Aug 2006 14:31:13.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[7297C2C0:01C6C9E5] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=528; t=1156689075; x=1157553075; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20Tunnels=20and=20diffserv=20question; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3D2ae/iJgb7mCWzug+vgucZNFv71k=3D; b=t0Qth1MOJXoJ7PI+yHP5fGS8VSdGIST3qtrYrefmOzuJusgfyYz1T1ByuuVr6Hxn601y8oNG oK6lm8HsAgHN19GiEA8J5rWUl6CZsDeZE8aB9RghqWA4GXn5li2Z9uDX; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2.cisco.com; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 On Aug 25, 2006, at 5:14 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Simply copying over the inner ToS/DS field to the outer one should > be sufficient. I haven't seen any implementation actually doing > this though, but it could be that some implementations already do > it in that manner. the more important question is copying it back to the inner header on removal from the tunnel. This is optional in that specification, and I know of field deployments that do it either way. Yes, common implementations do this. From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Aug 27 16:37:45 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHRO4-0000JS-W9 for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:37:44 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHRO1-0005Yp-IF for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 16:37:44 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHRLN-0003sk-TM for v6ops-data@psg.com; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:34:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [134.226.81.11] (helo=salmon.maths.tcd.ie) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHRLN-0003sQ-2m for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:34:57 +0000 Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie ([134.226.81.10] helo=walton.maths.tcd.ie) by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 27 Aug 2006 21:34:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:01:35 +0100 From: David Malone To: Jeroen Massar Cc: R?mi Denis-Courmont , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Tunnels and diffserv question Message-ID: <20060827200135.GA50717@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <200608260105.33165@auguste.remlab.net> <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44EF926B.2080209@unfix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 02:14:35AM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > I haven't seen any > implementation actually doing this though, but it could be that some > implementations already do it in that manner. The KAME gif tunnel interface should be able to do this - it's an option when configuring the interface with ifconfig. David. From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Aug 28 03:03:46 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHb9u-0000Cf-2E for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:03:46 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GHb9s-0000s1-Ki for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 03:03:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHb6Y-0006dG-KD for v6ops-data@psg.com; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:00:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [195.212.29.136] (helo=mtagate3.uk.ibm.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GHb6X-0006br-Tv for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:00:18 +0000 Received: from d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.38.185]) by mtagate3.uk.ibm.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k7S70FAE136642 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:00:15 +0100 Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com [9.149.37.216]) by d06nrmr1407.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/NCO v8.1.1) with ESMTP id k7S72FXi749580 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:02:15 +0100 Received: from d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k7S70EWR017509 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:00:14 +0100 Received: from sihl.zurich.ibm.com (sihl.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.16.232]) by d06av04.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7S70EKx017500; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:00:14 +0100 Received: from zurich.ibm.com ([9.4.210.72]) by sihl.zurich.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA160726; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:00:13 +0200 Message-ID: <44F2947D.6080304@zurich.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:00:13 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Klein CC: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Resolution of my discuss comments for draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt References: <071601c6b0e3$3ae1d020$247ba8c0@tndh.net> <44CD09D2.4080509@piuha.net> <003f01c6b47a$8f378cb0$9ac312c6@ftssoft.com> <002c01c6c86e$403487a0$0401a8c0@ftssoft.com> In-Reply-To: <002c01c6c86e$403487a0$0401a8c0@ftssoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 I don't think so. I think it's time for the PROTO shepherd to let the authors know very precisely which issues from the original DISCUSSes are still open in the -03 draft. 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[10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIoJU-0001ka-Ku for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:18:40 -0400 Received: from psg.com ([147.28.0.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GIoJP-0007qL-3Z for v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:18:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GIoGA-000IzK-Er for v6ops-data@psg.com; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:15:14 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on psg.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.1.1 Received: from [66.54.152.27] (helo=jive.SoftHome.net) by psg.com with smtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1GIoG8-000IyN-Tx for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:15:13 +0000 Received: (qmail 21569 invoked by uid 417); 31 Aug 2006 15:15:09 -0000 Received: from shunt-smtp-out-0 (HELO softhome.net) (172.16.3.12) by shunt-smtp-out-0 with SMTP; 31 Aug 2006 15:15:09 -0000 Received: from ericklaptop ([89.0.134.128]) (AUTH: LOGIN ericlklein@softhome.net) by softhome.net with esmtp; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:15:07 -0600 Message-ID: <002b01c6cd10$3b051f00$0200a8c0@ftssoft.com> From: "Eric Klein" To: "Kurt Erik Lindqvist" Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org References: <071601c6b0e3$3ae1d020$247ba8c0@tndh.net> <44CD09D2.4080509@piuha.net> <003f01c6b47a$8f378cb0$9ac312c6@ftssoft.com> <002c01c6c86e$403487a0$0401a8c0@ftssoft.com> <44F2947D.6080304@zurich.ibm.com> Subject: Re: Resolution of my discuss comments for draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:13:48 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6CD29.345819A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 200d029292fbb60d25b263122ced50fc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6CD29.345819A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kurtis, Can you please update the authors as to the status of = Draft-ietf-v6ops-nap as the tracker = (https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/pidtracker.cgi?command=3Dview_id&dTa= g=3D13036&rfc_flag=3D0) shows that version 03 has the following status = since mid July (2006-07-13)=20 [system] Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed Also, can you address Brian's comment below? Thanks Eric Klein Co-Author ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Brian E Carpenter" To: "Eric Klein" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 10:00 Subject: Re: Resolution of my discuss comments for = draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt >I don't think so. I think it's time for the PROTO shepherd to let > the authors know very precisely which issues from the original > DISCUSSes are still open in the -03 draft. >=20 > Brian >=20 > Eric Klein wrote: >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Klein" = >> To: "Jari Arkko" ; "Tony Hain" = >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:23 >> Subject: Re: Resolution of my discuss comments for=20 >> draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt >>=20 >> I seem to have miss a little bit, has there been any action / or = change=20 >> since during August? >> Eric >> ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6CD29.345819A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Kurtis,
 
Can you please update the authors as to = the status=20 of Draft-ietf-v6ops-nap as the tracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/publi= c/pidtracker.cgi?command=3Dview_id&dTag=3D13036&rfc_flag=3D0)= =20  shows that version 03 has the following status since mid July (2006-07-13) 
 
 [system] Sub state has been = changed to AD=20 Follow up from New Id Needed
 
Also, can you address Brian's comment=20 below?
 
Thanks
Eric Klein
Co-Author
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian E Carpenter" <brc@zurich.ibm.com>
To: "Eric Klein" <ericlklein@softhome.net>
Cc: <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 = 10:00
Subject: Re: Resolution of my discuss = comments for=20 draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt

>I don't think so. I think it's time for the PROTO shepherd = to=20 let
> the authors know very precisely which issues from the=20 original
> DISCUSSes are still open in the -03 draft.
>=20
>    Brian
>
> Eric Klein = wrote:
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Klein" = <ericlklein@softhome.net>
>> To: "Jari Arkko" <jari.arkko@piuha.net>; "Tony Hain"=20 <alh-ietf@tndh.net>
>> Cc:=20 <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
>>=20 Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:23
>> Subject: Re: Resolution of = my=20 discuss comments for
>> = draft-ietf-v6ops-nap-02.txt
>>=20
>> I seem to have miss a little bit, has there been any action = / or=20 change
>> since during August?
>>=20 Eric
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