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10 tabs
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$34.49

30 tabs
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$299.95
$88.50

60 tabs
120 doses
$449.95
$141.02

90 tabs
180 doses
$769.95
$176.40

180 tabs
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I'm sure the idea of repeating recommendations in the "Summary of  
Recommendations" section will be sort of controversial at some point,  
however, I would really like to encourage you to add the summary as  
you have it in the draft now. I have had much better luck getting  
things like this adopted in products  from folks like Linksys and  
Netgear when I could hand a product manager a page of requirements  
that they could cut and paste into their product requirements  
specifications. If this is summary of recommendation contains all the  
normative language you need, I think it really helps make it easier  
to get the vendors to adopt this. Unlike much of the equipment that  
implements IETF protocols, the types of devices you are describing  
here are often contracted out using an ODM model and being able to  
express requirements like this makes it easier to include them.

I suspect we don't have a lot of product manager for the types of  
devices we are talking about participating in this WG but if this  
document makes their life easy, that would be good.

I'm not sure what to say about multicast but I'm sure that advice  
would be useful.

Cullen <with my individual hat on>






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	Title           : IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations
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Title:		 IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations
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Abstract:
One fundamental aspect of any IP communications infrastructure is its
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network addressing.  Lack of guidelines on handling this aspect of
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document also provides IPv6 addressing case studies for both an
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On 2007-10-30 11:54, Brian Dickson wrote:
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> The IAB request specifically asks for a solution for IPv6-only
>> hosts. It's long been my view that the primary coexistence strategy
>> must be dual-stack, but I'm trying to answer the IAB's question.
>>
>>>
>>> Finally, from my reading the usefulness of SHANTI is only where the 
>>> IPv6-only host has an application that appreciates IPv4 parameters 
>>> (port and address) or the translation itself. Do we expect 
>>> application developers to widely cater for this scenario, or to make 
>>> the assumption that "if IPv4 matters we should use the IPv4 stack"?
>>
>> No, SHANTI will work out of the box for any application that runs
>> through a traditional NAT or NAPT without problems *and* has been
>> upgraded to AF_INET6 sockets. However, applications that require
>> an ALG with traditional NA(P)T will need to be tweaked, I think.
>> The question is whether that overhead is justified to get rid of
>> the problems of NAT-PT?
>>
>>     Brian
> I've been giving thoughts to some of the issues along similar lines.
> 
> Here's what I've been thinking of, in terms of a solution space:
> 
> Protocol translation that uses IPv6 as a transport, but doesn't do 
> anything other than present IPv4 on an IPv6-only host.

I'm not sure how this is different from Bump in the Stack (RFC 2767)
or Bump in the API (RFC 3338), as you describe it above.
Or are you closer to DSTM?
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ngtrans-dstm-overview-00.txt

     Brian

> 
> The way to describe it in shorthand would be:
> PT-4-6-4
> 
> On the IPv6-only host, add an IPv4 "thing". (interface/driver/whatever).
> 
> There's some bootstrap issues regarding bringing up the IPv4 interface - 
> let's defer those for now...
> 
> When this IPv4 "thing" talks to another IPv4 host, it will be using IPv4 
> source/dest and src/dest ports.
> 
> Do IPv4-to-IPv6 protocol translation - but now, the extra "twist" - 
> embed the *port* in the IPv6 destination, *above* the IPv4 address.
> This lets us set up "generic" ALGs, based on covering aggregates for the 
> "special" address space we use for the place where 6-back-to-4 happens.
> And, we can then set up ALGs on a per-port basis, which are 
> more-specific addresses.
> And even more fine-grained port+IPv4 ALGs can be set up, e.g. when there 
> is a need to do 4-6-4 for RFC 1918 space.
> 
> Since the host sees IPv4 "natively", no DNS tricks are needed.
> 
> There are even a few advanced tricks that can be accomplished, like 
> reverse-port-mapping to request inbound port(s) and possibly inbound 
> port+IPv4 address "reservation".
> Combined with dynamic DNS, it may be possible to extend the usefulness 
> of a very small number of IPv4 addresses, to support a much larger of 
> "servers" who need reserved ports, although possibly only 
> intermittently. (Think SMTP for hosting, inbound with MX and relay.)
> 
> The implementation of things like DHCP (for IPv4) use well-know IPv4 
> "broadcast" address destination 255.255.255.255. But, having an IPv6 
> host listen on that address, transmogrified by the mapping including 
> port, means a specific IPv6 address can act as a DHCP server (or relay).
> 
> NAT stuff built to handle this has an added advantage - the IPv4 
> client-side addresses can overlap, since the presumption is that all the 
> hosts already have IPv6 - and can communicate via IPv6. So there would 
> not be any need for support for "tromboned" traffic between pairs of 
> hosts behind this 4-6-4-plus-NAT. The colliding addresses are 
> disambituated in IPv4 by port (assigned by the NAT), and in the NAT 
> back-end by IPv6 address.
> 
> There are details to work out, of course. But I think it could be an 
> interesting starting point, which by virtue of presenting an IPv4 
> interface to the client, avoids most of the NAT-PT issues.
> 
> Oh, yeah, one other good thing - there is no requirement that the ALGs 
> or NAT-PT exist on the same network, just that they be reachable via 
> IPv6 natively. So, a small network could point their "ALG default" at an 
> upstream, who then would handle all the NAT-PT stuff (presumably as 
> either a value-add, paid, or bundled service) for access to the V4 
> Internet.
> 
> Brian D
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> 




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I've fixed a lot of errors and inconsistencies in this version.
I'd really like to know if the idea holds water. Active co-authors
would be most welcome. Critical review by someone who's been
tracking BEHAVE would be most welcome.

     Brian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-shanti-01.txt
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:30:02 -0500
From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.

	Title           : Shimmed IPv4/IPv6 Address Network Translation Interface (SHANTI)
	Author(s)       : B. Carpenter
	Filename        : draft-carpenter-shanti-01.txt
	Pages           : 16
	Date            : 2007-11-07

There is a pragmatic need for a packet-level translation mechanism
between IPv4 and IPv6, for scenarios where no other mode of IPv4 to
IPv6 interworking is possible.  The mechanism defined here uses a
shim in both the translator and the IPv6 host to mitigate the
problems introduced by stateless translation.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-carpenter-shanti-01.txt




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On 2007-11-09 07:22, R=C3=A9mi Despr=C3=A9s wrote:
> Brian Dickson wrote :
>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>> The IAB request specifically asks for a solution for IPv6-only
>>> hosts...
>> ...
>>
>> On the IPv6-only host, add an IPv4 "thing". (interface/driver/whatever=
).
>>
> If IPv6 hosts could be kept simple (i.e. unmodified for IPv6 to IPv4=20
> connectivity), that would be a better perspective for IPv6 deployment.

I don't see that. IPv6 stacks are still in flux and being actively
worked on. In any case, my analysis of RFC 4966 is that without
adding state in the IPv6 host, most of the problems identified
with NAT-PT cannot be mitigated. draft-carpenter-shanti-01
covers this in some detail.

      Brian

>=20
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At 10:07 AM +1300 11/9/07, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> In any case, my analysis of RFC 4966 is that without
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Brian -
 
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On 2007-11-09 11:03, John Curran wrote:
> At 10:07 AM +1300 11/9/07, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> In any case, my analysis of RFC 4966 is that without
>> adding state in the IPv6 host, most of the problems identified
>> with NAT-PT cannot be mitigated. draft-carpenter-shanti-01
>> covers this in some detail.
> 
> Brian -
>  
>   How does an ISP grow their network (using IPv6 to connect
>   customers) without some way to provide the minimal level
>   of backward compatibility to the existing IPv4-connected
>   Internet which is provided by NAT-PT?

I must confess that I've looked at the question much more from
the viewpoint of a campus or enterprise network, on the assumption
that ISPs only provide some combination of IPv4 and IPv6
transport. And there the answer for me has always been: upgrade
servers to dual stack, and install dual-stack application proxies
to fill any gaps.

I would envisage a similar approach for an ISP supporting
SOHO subscribers - that really isn't much different from
a campus network. The ISP will need dual-stack mail servers,
for example. Anyone providing services to the public will need
a dual stack, for that matter, if they want to be accessible.

However, for the residual cases, it's precisely because
of the issues with NAT-PT that I've just started working
on SHANTI. Whether that's of value is for the community
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     Brian




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At 11:25 AM +1300 11/9/07, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>I would envisage a similar approach for an ISP supporting
>SOHO subscribers - that really isn't much different from
>a campus network. The ISP will need dual-stack mail servers,
>for example. Anyone providing services to the public will need
>a dual stack, for that matter, if they want to be accessible.

At some point, ISP's will: 1) Be unable to readily obtain additional
IPv4 address space, 2) Want to keep growing, and 3) Want a
method for connecting up customers via IPv6-only which provides
some semblance of full Internet connectivity (including backward
reachability to IPv4 destinations).

From the ISP point of view, some of the key requirements are:

 - Has to require a minimal amount of special per-site
   (or per-site-host) configuration in order to provide
   the connectivity to Internet IPv4-only sites.

 - Allow for sharing of some IPv4 space that the ISP
   has set aside for such purposes.

 - Allow implementation of the same "site" policies
   (such as port-based firewall filters) on the IPv4
   backward-compatible connectivity that customers
   use today to provide nominal security.

Contrary to what a lot of folks think, I don't think that the
backwards-compatibility IPv4 connectivity really needs to
be general purpose, or application friendly, or support a
truly end2end model.   While NAT-PR is indeed imperfect
(as documented in RFC4966), it still provides minimal
backwards connectivity that is going to be desperately
needed for many providers.

>However, for the residual cases, it's precisely because
>of the issues with NAT-PT that I've just started working
>on SHANTI. Whether that's of value is for the community
>to say.

If there's a way to improve the resulting connectivity
without create a raft of customer configuration and
support issues, it's probably of value to the community.

/John






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Subject: Re: Follow-up work on NAT-PT
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> On 2007-10-30 11:54, Brian Dickson wrote:
>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>> The IAB request specifically asks for a solution for IPv6-only
>>> hosts. It's long been my view that the primary coexistence strategy
>>> must be dual-stack, but I'm trying to answer the IAB's question.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally, from my reading the usefulness of SHANTI is only where the
>>>> IPv6-only host has an application that appreciates IPv4 parameters
>>>> (port and address) or the translation itself. Do we expect
>>>> application developers to widely cater for this scenario, or to make
>>>> the assumption that "if IPv4 matters we should use the IPv4 stack"?
>>>
>>> No, SHANTI will work out of the box for any application that runs
>>> through a traditional NAT or NAPT without problems *and* has been
>>> upgraded to AF_INET6 sockets. However, applications that require
>>> an ALG with traditional NA(P)T will need to be tweaked, I think.
>>> The question is whether that overhead is justified to get rid of
>>> the problems of NAT-PT?
>>>
>>>     Brian
>> I've been giving thoughts to some of the issues along similar lines.
>>
>> Here's what I've been thinking of, in terms of a solution space:
>>
>> Protocol translation that uses IPv6 as a transport, but doesn't do
>> anything other than present IPv4 on an IPv6-only host.
>
> I'm not sure how this is different from Bump in the Stack (RFC 2767)
> or Bump in the API (RFC 3338), as you describe it above.
> Or are you closer to DSTM?
> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-ngtrans-dstm-overview-00.txt

It *does* bear some superficial resemblence to elements of all 3, but
is very different from any of them.

Both BIS and BIA, presume native IPv4 on the dual-stack host.
What they both offer, is the ability to offer a fake IPv4 path between
*two* IPv6 hosts. What I'm talking about is a means for an IPv6-only
host to access an IPv4 only host via one or more ALGs/NATs, by
presenting an IPv4 interface to the IPv6-only host.

This concept, 4-6-4, is a mechanism to provide what appears to the host
itself, as if it has native IPv4 connectivity (i.e. dual stack), and doing
something different from straight IPv4-in-IPv6 tunneling.

Instead of tunneling, or vanilla SIIT, it adds the twist which allows
identification of the specific ALG via IPv6 routing.

By directing traffic to the ALG on the native IPv6 network, the scaling
of both the individual ALGs, and the management of and placement of the
ALGs, scales much better. ALGs can be added on a per-port basis, can
be multiplex by IPv6-only load-balancers, or supported by any number of
networking tricks, devices, or topological niceties, all of which can
be IPv6-only, and (aside from the specific IPv6 prefixes used), ignorant
of the fact that any of this traffic is 4-6-4 traffic.

The one other significant difference is the concept of maintaining any
NAT state in the mapped V6 addresses, meaning v4 addresses can be used
simultaneously by multiple 4-6-4 client hosts, thus allowing much more
scalable deployment on the 1918 side of the NAT.

In fact, for maximum scalability, hosts in the 4-6-4 universe could all be
given identical IPv4 1918 addresses, and this would still work. Imagine
the ease of managing clients when they could all be configured with
192.168.1.2 as their IPv4 address. :-)

Brian D

>>
>> The way to describe it in shorthand would be:
>> PT-4-6-4
>>
>> On the IPv6-only host, add an IPv4 "thing". (interface/driver/whatever).
>>
>> There's some bootstrap issues regarding bringing up the IPv4 interface -
>> let's defer those for now...
>>
>> When this IPv4 "thing" talks to another IPv4 host, it will be using IPv4
>> source/dest and src/dest ports.
>>
>> Do IPv4-to-IPv6 protocol translation - but now, the extra "twist" -
>> embed the *port* in the IPv6 destination, *above* the IPv4 address.
>> This lets us set up "generic" ALGs, based on covering aggregates for the
>> "special" address space we use for the place where 6-back-to-4 happens.
>> And, we can then set up ALGs on a per-port basis, which are
>> more-specific addresses.
>> And even more fine-grained port+IPv4 ALGs can be set up, e.g. when there
>> is a need to do 4-6-4 for RFC 1918 space.
>>
>> Since the host sees IPv4 "natively", no DNS tricks are needed.
>>
>> There are even a few advanced tricks that can be accomplished, like
>> reverse-port-mapping to request inbound port(s) and possibly inbound
>> port+IPv4 address "reservation".
>> Combined with dynamic DNS, it may be possible to extend the usefulness
>> of a very small number of IPv4 addresses, to support a much larger of
>> "servers" who need reserved ports, although possibly only
>> intermittently. (Think SMTP for hosting, inbound with MX and relay.)
>>
>> The implementation of things like DHCP (for IPv4) use well-know IPv4
>> "broadcast" address destination 255.255.255.255. But, having an IPv6
>> host listen on that address, transmogrified by the mapping including
>> port, means a specific IPv6 address can act as a DHCP server (or relay).
>>
>> NAT stuff built to handle this has an added advantage - the IPv4
>> client-side addresses can overlap, since the presumption is that all the
>> hosts already have IPv6 - and can communicate via IPv6. So there would
>> not be any need for support for "tromboned" traffic between pairs of
>> hosts behind this 4-6-4-plus-NAT. The colliding addresses are
>> disambituated in IPv4 by port (assigned by the NAT), and in the NAT
>> back-end by IPv6 address.
>>
>> There are details to work out, of course. But I think it could be an
>> interesting starting point, which by virtue of presenting an IPv4
>> interface to the client, avoids most of the NAT-PT issues.
>>
>> Oh, yeah, one other good thing - there is no requirement that the ALGs
>> or NAT-PT exist on the same network, just that they be reachable via
>> IPv6 natively. So, a small network could point their "ALG default" at an
>> upstream, who then would handle all the NAT-PT stuff (presumably as
>> either a value-add, paid, or bundled service) for access to the V4
>> Internet.
>>
>> Brian D
>>
>>
>






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On Nov 7, 2007, at 18:46, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
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> I've fixed a lot of errors and inconsistencies in this version.
> I'd really like to know if the idea holds water. Active co-authors
> would be most welcome. Critical review by someone who's been
> tracking BEHAVE would be most welcome.

It looks like "reverse RSIP" for IPv6-transition.  Brilliant!

I'm also not entirely convinced that carrying network layer IPsec ESP =20=

through SHANTI to IPv4 endpoints would be all that difficult.  I =20
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ALG, but those are=97 again=97 limitations of communicating over IPv4 =20=

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At 5:26 PM +1300 11/10/07, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>
>>Contrary to what a lot of folks think, I don't think that the
>>backwards-compatibility IPv4 connectivity really needs to
>>be general purpose, or application friendly, or support a
>>truly end2end model.  
>
>But if it doesn't support *unknown* or even *future* applications,
>it is going to cause help desk calls (probably insoluble help
>desk calls, too). I realise that NAT does that today, but surely
>we'd like to do better?

We'd like to do better, and should if we can...   In any case,
there's still going to be a lot of ISP's saying to customers:
"Look, that site is only connected to the legacy Internet;
once they upgrade to the new stuff, you'll work fine. Why
don't you ask them why they're sooo far behind?"

>>If there's a way to improve the resulting connectivity
>>without create a raft of customer configuration and
>>support issues, it's probably of value to the community.
>
>As far as I can see the configuration issues aren't major.
>All user systems served by the same SHANTI translator will
>need to know its IPv6 and IPv4 address by configuration -
>Yet Another DHCP Option could provide that.

That would definitely help...  please consider adding
consideration of such to your draft.

Thanks!
/John









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On 29 okt 2007, at 21:40, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

>> I'm interested to hear your thoughts on IPv6-only hosts (as opposed  
>> to dual-stack hosts) during the IPv4-to-IPv6 transition period. The  
>> work I've been doing up till now has made a fundamental assumption  
>> that we would see only v4-only and dual-stack hosts, assuming that  
>> only post IPv4 shutdown would we see an emergence of IPv6-only  
>> devices.

> The IAB request specifically asks for a solution for IPv6-only
> hosts. It's long been my view that the primary coexistence strategy
> must be dual-stack, but I'm trying to answer the IAB's question.

The problem with dual stack is that it doesn't solve anything: you  
still need just as much IPv4 as when running IPv4-only. Dual stack is  
important for server so that both IPv4-only and IPv6-only clients can  
use the service, but we need to move towards a situation where it's  
possible for a regular end-user PC to run IPv6-only without much loss  
of functionality (if any).

>> Finally, from my reading the usefulness of SHANTI is only where the  
>> IPv6-only host has an application that appreciates IPv4 parameters  
>> (port and address) or the translation itself. Do we expect  
>> application developers to widely cater for this scenario, or to  
>> make the assumption that "if IPv4 matters we should use the IPv4  
>> stack"?

> No, SHANTI will work out of the box for any application that runs
> through a traditional NAT or NAPT without problems *and* has been
> upgraded to AF_INET6 sockets.

Ugh! Mixing IPv6 and NAT is something that I'd really like to avoid.

On monday I'll wrestle with xml2rfc once again, and if successful,  
I'll have a draft that suggests a slightly different way of doing  
this. (If anyone wants to mail me something I can use as an up-to-date  
xml2rfc template that would be much appreciated.)




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John,

On 2007-11-09 12:27, John Curran wrote:
> At 11:25 AM +1300 11/9/07, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> I would envisage a similar approach for an ISP supporting
>> SOHO subscribers - that really isn't much different from
>> a campus network. The ISP will need dual-stack mail servers,
>> for example. Anyone providing services to the public will need
>> a dual stack, for that matter, if they want to be accessible.
> 
> At some point, ISP's will: 1) Be unable to readily obtain additional
> IPv4 address space, 2) Want to keep growing, and 3) Want a
> method for connecting up customers via IPv6-only which provides
> some semblance of full Internet connectivity (including backward
> reachability to IPv4 destinations).

Clearly!

> 
>>From the ISP point of view, some of the key requirements are:
> 
>  - Has to require a minimal amount of special per-site
>    (or per-site-host) configuration in order to provide
>    the connectivity to Internet IPv4-only sites.

Sure. Assuming the ISP is running dual-stack routing, I believe
they'll need to configure things like mail and web servers
as dual-stack, and IM servers if they're offering that, but it's
hard for me to imagine that a local ISP will ever be able to solve
the problem of an IPv6-only subscriber accessing an IPv4-only Bloop server
on another continent, for arbitrary values of Bloop, unless there is
some help from the IPv6 host stack as well as a magic translator
box. (And this has nothing to do with IPv6 design details -
once you're sending packets that the IPv4-only server wasn't designed
to receive, you automatically have this problem.) I think we've
spent too long hoping that the world can be either pure IPv6-only
or pure dual stack - to solve this problem we need the IPv6-only
stack to be a little impure.

>  - Allow for sharing of some IPv4 space that the ISP
>    has set aside for such purposes.

Yes, which is why SHANTI includes NAPT-like port mapping.

> 
>  - Allow implementation of the same "site" policies
>    (such as port-based firewall filters) on the IPv4
>    backward-compatible connectivity that customers
>    use today to provide nominal security.

I can't see why that would be an issue. Ports work pretty
much the same in v4 and v6, and as noted, at least in my
proposal ports are handled exactly as in NAPT.

> 
> Contrary to what a lot of folks think, I don't think that the
> backwards-compatibility IPv4 connectivity really needs to
> be general purpose, or application friendly, or support a
> truly end2end model.   

But if it doesn't support *unknown* or even *future* applications,
it is going to cause help desk calls (probably insoluble help
desk calls, too). I realise that NAT does that today, but surely
we'd like to do better?

> While NAT-PR is indeed imperfect
> (as documented in RFC4966), it still provides minimal
> backwards connectivity that is going to be desperately
> needed for many providers.
> 
>> However, for the residual cases, it's precisely because
>> of the issues with NAT-PT that I've just started working
>> on SHANTI. Whether that's of value is for the community
>> to say.
> 
> If there's a way to improve the resulting connectivity
> without create a raft of customer configuration and
> support issues, it's probably of value to the community.

As far as I can see the configuration issues aren't major.
All user systems served by the same SHANTI translator will
need to know its IPv6 and IPv4 address by configuration -
Yet Another DHCP Option could provide that. The
translator itself would be exactly where you'd put a NAT
and firewall today, and would be configured just like a NAPT.
No free lunch, of course.

     Brian




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On 2007-11-10 08:04, R=C3=A9mi Despr=C3=A9s wrote:
> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 2007-11-09 07:22, R=C3=A9mi Despr=C3=A9s wrote:
>>> Brian Dickson wrote :
>>>> Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>>>>> The IAB request specifically asks for a solution for IPv6-only
>>>>> hosts...
>>> If IPv6 hosts could be kept simple (i.e. unmodified for IPv6 to IPv4 =

>>> connectivity), that would be a better perspective for IPv6 deployment=
=2E
>>
>> I don't see that.=20
> Yet, if it is possible to propose operational solutions without=20
> unnecessary additional layers of complexity, the industry and users=20
> should benefit.
>> my analysis of RFC 4966 is that without
>> adding state in the IPv6 host, most of the problems identified
>> with NAT-PT cannot be mitigated.
> This is the important TECHNICAL point.
> A further analysis shows that :
> 1. Problems identified in RFC 4966 fall in fact into 3 categories.
> (a) Related to an Pv6-IPv4 DNS-ALG, if present
> (b) Related to fragmentation, if applicable
> (c) Identical to IPv4 NATrelated limitations
> 2. All can be eliminated  as follows:
> - With my proposal below (as I see it, a straightforward extension of=20
> DNS to make IPv6 to IPv4 connections practical), problems (a) can=20
> disappear.

See below, but basically that is my comclusion for the SHANTI scenario.

> - Limiting IPv6 to IPv4 connections to paths where MTUs are at least=20
> 1500 (that of Ethernet) would be acceptable in the real world. Problems=
=20
> (b) can then disappear.

This is probably realistic but it still means the IPv6 source needs to kn=
ow
that limitation - SHANTI provides such knowledge to the IPv6 stack.
I can add that in the next version.

> - Applications of IPv6 to IPv4 connections can, and for the sake of=20
> simplicity should be limited to that which are available to IPv4 hosts =

> behind NATs. Thus, problems (c) would disappear.

That's essentially the "don't behave worse than IPv4 NAPT" principle,
which I believe is mathematically inevitable in any case.
>=20
>>>
>>> One approach for this would be that the DNS would automatically=20
>>> return IPv4 mapped addresses to IPv6 queries when they have no IPv6=20
>>> address but have at least one IPv4 address.

SHANTI recommends doing the equivalent of this in the resolver.
Then dual-stack hosts will still see A records, and can be mixed
on the same network with SHANTI hosts.

>>> Then boxes on the client-to-server paths which car support NAT for=20
>>> IPv4 connections (typically customer edge routers) can do the=20
>>> protocol conversion.

Yes, but they still have the ALG problem, and you have to be sure
the packets actually flow that way. SHANTI guarantees the packets are
routed to the translator, and pushes the ALG problem back where it belong=
s.

     Brian





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I don't think that we need to optimize for IPv6 only hosts. In practice, we=
 can expect that IPv6 capable hosts will either be dual stack. Device desig=
ners will want to accommodate situations where their device connects to eit=
her an IPv6 network, or an IPv4 network. Implementing "dual stack" is not m=
uch harder than implementing "IPv6 only", so this is pretty much a no-brain=
er.

We need to optimize for reliability and operation support. There, we have t=
o reconcile the tension between two goals: networks are simpler and easier =
to operate if they support one protocol instead of two; and, networks are s=
impler if they do not rely on complex and error prone gateways.

Is it really more efficient for an ISP to operate an IPv6 only network? If =
it is, then IPv4 services will have to be provided through some kind of ove=
rlay. On the provider side, the overlay will have connect to some IPv4 "gat=
eways" that give access to the global IPv4 service. On the client side, the=
 overlay will extend either all the way to the client itself, or terminate =
at the "access router".

If we just want to reuse old technology, the overlay can be built with simp=
le tunnels. Access routers routinely support protocols like PPPoA or PPPoE.=
 PPP over IPv6 (PPPo6?) would not be much of a stretch. It would also not l=
ook to strange on the ISP side, since after all ISP are quite used to suppo=
rt PPP servers.

If we don't like the hub and spoke nature of PPP, we can of course be creat=
ive and build the overlay with some form of automatic tunneling. But I am n=
ot sure that the automatic tunneling will actually reduce operation costs, =
or increase reliability.

-- Christian Huitema








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Softwires and usage of private IPv4 addresses, that was the reason we worked
on that !

I'm not yet convinced anything else is needed.

Regards,
Jordi




> De: Christian Huitema <huitema@windows.microsoft.com>
> Responder a: <owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Fecha: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:12:27 -0800
> Para: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>, Brian E Carpenter
> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
> CC: David Miles <davidm@thetiger.com>, IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Conversaci=F3n: Follow-up work on NAT-PT
> Asunto: RE: Follow-up work on NAT-PT
>=20
> I don't think that we need to optimize for IPv6 only hosts. In practice, we
> can expect that IPv6 capable hosts will either be dual stack. Device designers
> will want to accommodate situations where their device connects to either an
> IPv6 network, or an IPv4 network. Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder
> than implementing "IPv6 only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.
>=20
> We need to optimize for reliability and operation support. There, we have to
> reconcile the tension between two goals: networks are simpler and easier to
> operate if they support one protocol instead of two; and, networks are simpler
> if they do not rely on complex and error prone gateways.
>=20
> Is it really more efficient for an ISP to operate an IPv6 only network? If it
> is, then IPv4 services will have to be provided through some kind of overlay.
> On the provider side, the overlay will have connect to some IPv4 "gateways"
> that give access to the global IPv4 service. On the client side, the overlay
> will extend either all the way to the client itself, or terminate at the
> "access router".
>=20
> If we just want to reuse old technology, the overlay can be built with simple
> tunnels. Access routers routinely support protocols like PPPoA or PPPoE. PPP
> over IPv6 (PPPo6?) would not be much of a stretch. It would also not look to
> strange on the ISP side, since after all ISP are quite used to support PPP
> servers.
>=20
> If we don't like the hub and spoke nature of PPP, we can of course be creative
> and build the overlay with some form of automatic tunneling. But I am not sure
> that the automatic tunneling will actually reduce operation costs, or increase
> reliability.
>=20
> -- Christian Huitema
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
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On 2007-11-11 05:12, Christian Huitema wrote:
> I don't think that we need to optimize for IPv6 only hosts.

I've been repeatedly told that we need to, with "real estate"
usually being mentioned in the same breath. Otherwise, I'd
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IPv4 addresses. But the IAB explicitly asked for a solution where
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>> No, SHANTI will work out of the box for any application that runs
>> through a traditional NAT or NAPT without problems *and* has been
>> upgraded to AF_INET6 sockets.
> 
> Ugh! Mixing IPv6 and NAT is something that I'd really like to avoid.

I've been trying to avoid it since 1994. My conclusion is that
it is sadly impossible to avoid port translation, hence SHANTI.
Read it before you condemn it...

     Brian




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Brian, perhaps we need to better understand the reasoning behind the  
request and what "real estate" mean?

I'd like to think there is a day that IPv4 can be retired from a  
service provider's network. It is not necessarily the dual-stack  
nature of the access network that will increase the cost, but the  
amount of NAPT that may need to occur within the service provider to  
continue v4 ops in a address-depleted environment. During transition  
period there will be dual-stack and eventually v4-NAPT (for at least  
some customers).

My view is that:
- During transition dual stack should be what every new device  
supports (ie, IPv6-only stacks is a bad idea during the transition  
period)
- During transition we will see a move from IPv4 towards IPv6
- We should support connectivity for legacy clients as best we can  
until transition is complete

So, the last point is most interesting - support the legacy customer  
base. These are the customers who have not got devices that are dual- 
stack or who are accessing services/servers that are not yet IPv6- 
enabled. With 79% of the market running Windows XP (Net Applications  
Oct 2007) we need to consider how to transition the bulk of our  
customers to IPv6. The methods are (in order of preference from the  
Service Provider's perspective):
- Enable IPv6 in their existing OS
- Upgrade to a new OS
- Translation (along the lines of NAT-PT or the NAT46 component of  
draft-durand-ngtrans-nat64-nat46)

Translation of any kind should be last resort, but this is where I'm  
interested to get thoughts on NAT-PT revival for an IPv4-only host OS  
contacting an IPv6 server (with the same limitation as today's IPv4  
NA(P)T. I'm assuming that one day IPv4 resources will be too  
impractical (cost) to obtain so some business may be faced with IPv6- 
only connectivity for _servers_. Does anyone else think there may be a  
day when IPv4-only clients may exist (through provider NAPT) and  
because of v4 address shortages running a server on a well known port  
(http) may be restricted to IPv6 - to me this is a case for NAT46/NAT- 
PT - but its anyone's guess whether this day will come.

-d


On 11/11/2007, at 3:12 AM, Christian Huitema wrote:

> I don't think that we need to optimize for IPv6 only hosts. In  
> practice, we can expect that IPv6 capable hosts will either be dual  
> stack. Device designers will want to accommodate situations where  
> their device connects to either an IPv6 network, or an IPv4 network.  
> Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder than implementing "IPv6  
> only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.
>
> We need to optimize for reliability and operation support. There, we  
> have to reconcile the tension between two goals: networks are  
> simpler and easier to operate if they support one protocol instead  
> of two; and, networks are simpler if they do not rely on complex and  
> error prone gateways.
>
> Is it really more efficient for an ISP to operate an IPv6 only  
> network? If it is, then IPv4 services will have to be provided  
> through some kind of overlay. On the provider side, the overlay will  
> have connect to some IPv4 "gateways" that give access to the global  
> IPv4 service. On the client side, the overlay will extend either all  
> the way to the client itself, or terminate at the "access router".
>
> If we just want to reuse old technology, the overlay can be built  
> with simple tunnels. Access routers routinely support protocols like  
> PPPoA or PPPoE. PPP over IPv6 (PPPo6?) would not be much of a  
> stretch. It would also not look to strange on the ISP side, since  
> after all ISP are quite used to support PPP servers.
>
> If we don't like the hub and spoke nature of PPP, we can of course  
> be creative and build the overlay with some form of automatic  
> tunneling. But I am not sure that the automatic tunneling will  
> actually reduce operation costs, or increase reliability.
>
> -- Christian Huitema
>
>
>
>
>





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Hi,

On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:12:27AM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
> Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder than implementing "IPv6
> only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.

I want to challenge that.  How are you going to implement "dual stack"
if no more IPv4 addresses are available?

Which is going to be a fairly typical scenario for new networks, some
years into the future.

(For the ISP backbone, dual stack is usually fairly easily done, because
the number addresses needed is small - but what about the end user networks?)

Gert Doering
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Hi,

On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 12:10:27PM -0400, Brian Dickson wrote:
> There is more than one TLD, many more than one. Each of *those* need at 
> *least* two /48's, since
> the minimum number of nameservers for any zone is two.

And *this* is just not true.

TLD name servers can function perfectly well without their own routing
table slot - they can happily live in upstream (PA) space, and be 
renumbered as need arises.  Yes, PI space is so much more convenient,
but isn't *everybody* "special"?

*Anycasted* sets of servers are indeed special from a routing perspective,
but not each TLD is using anycast, and thus your claim that "each TLD
needs to /48" is just wrong.

Gert Doering
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> From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net]
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:59 AM
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:12:27AM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
> > Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder than implementing "IPv6
> > only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.
>
> I want to challenge that.  How are you going to implement "dual stack"
> if no more IPv4 addresses are available?

I meant "implementing dual stack in a device". Suppose you have built an IP=
v6 capable device. The added requirements for supporting IPv4 boils down to=
 DHCPv4 client, ARP support, and a little bit of glue. That really is not a=
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-- Christian Huitema







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Thus spake "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:12:27AM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder than implementing "IPv6
>> only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.
>
> I want to challenge that.  How are you going to implement "dual stack"
> if no more IPv4 addresses are available?
>
> Which is going to be a fairly typical scenario for new networks, some
> years into the future.

It's trivial to _implement_ dual-stack, but it's going to get difficult to 
_deploy_ dual-stack in a few years.

The response I'm expecting -- so I'll save folks the effort -- is that 
people will dual-stack with RFC1918 and NAT on the v4 side.  My question is 
(still) why that is any better than v6-only hosts with NAT-PT.  All modern 
apps are version-agnostic, so they have to deal with the ugliness of NAT 
with either solution, and having v6-only hosts cuts the work required by 
leaf host/network admins in half.

S

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Hi,

On Sun, Nov 11, 2007 at 07:35:43AM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:12:27AM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
> > > Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder than implementing "IPv6
> > > only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.
> >
> > I want to challenge that.  How are you going to implement "dual stack"
> > if no more IPv4 addresses are available?
>=20
> I meant "implementing dual stack in a device". Suppose you have
> built an IPv6 capable device. The added requirements for supporting
> IPv4 boils down to DHCPv4 client, ARP support, and a little bit of
> glue. That really is not a lot of "real estate".

I agree - and I misunderstood this (as Stephen Sprunk also pointed out)
as "deploying in a network".  The network stack should not very hard.

Gert
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Le Sunday 11 November 2007 17:24:04 Stephen Sprunk, vous avez =E9crit=A0:
> All modern apps are version-agnostic,

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> De: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
> Responder a: <owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Fecha: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 10:59:09 +0100
> Para: Christian Huitema <huitema@windows.microsoft.com>
> CC: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>, Brian E Carpenter
> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, David Miles <davidm@thetiger.com>, IPv6
> Operations <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Asunto: Re: Follow-up work on NAT-PT
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:12:27AM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder than implementing "IPv6
>> only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.
> 
> I want to challenge that.  How are you going to implement "dual stack"
> if no more IPv4 addresses are available?
> 
> Which is going to be a fairly typical scenario for new networks, some
> years into the future.
> 
> (For the ISP backbone, dual stack is usually fairly easily done, because
> the number addresses needed is small - but what about the end user networks?)
> 
> Gert Doering
> -- 
> Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  122119
> 
> SpaceNet AG                        Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard
> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14          Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann
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I'm a bit concerned about how solution-space-focused this discussion  
has been, especially when it is my understanding that we probably  
won't specify a solution in the v6ops WG.

Exactly what types of operational problems exist that we need to  
solve?  Why aren't the existing v4/v6 transition mechanisms  
sufficient to resolve those problems?  Where are the gaps that needs  
to be filled?

I really have no doubt that we could build a purer, cooler, "better"  
version of NAT-PT.  In fact, I even have my own thoughts on how we  
could do that.  But without understanding exactly what problem(s) we  
are trying to solve, I don't think that will be a very useful exercise.

Margaret


On Oct 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> On 2007-10-14 06:28, Jari Arkko wrote:
>> Thanks for this, Olaf. Indeed, we are considering follow-up work,
>> and understanding the scenarios & possible need for producing
>> a revised version of NAT-PT is on the Vancouver agenda (currently
>> planned to be a discussion in V6OPS, with protocol work to fall
>> out to an INT area WG).
>
> I realise this may be jumping the gun a bit, but since I won't be
> in Vancouver, here is a sketch of one possible direction.
>
>     Brian
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:20:01 -0400
> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
> directories.
>
> 	Title           : Shimmed IPv4/IPv6 Address Network Translation  
> Interface (SHANTI)
> 	Author(s)       : B. Carpenter
> 	Filename        : draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 12
> 	Date            : 2007-10-28
>
> There is a pragmatic need for a packet-level translation mechanism
> between IPv4 and IPv6, for scenarios where no other mode of IPv4 to
> IPv6 interworking is possible.  The mechanism defined here uses a
> shim in both the translator and the IPv6 host to mitigate the
> problems introduced by stateless translation.
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
>





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On 2007-11-12 04:35, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:59 AM
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 08:12:27AM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
>>> Implementing "dual stack" is not much harder than implementing "IPv6
>>> only", so this is pretty much a no-brainer.
>> I want to challenge that.  How are you going to implement "dual stack"
>> if no more IPv4 addresses are available?
> 
> I meant "implementing dual stack in a device". Suppose you have built an IPv6 capable device. The added requirements for supporting IPv4 boils down to DHCPv4 client, ARP support, and a little bit of glue. That really is not a lot of "real estate".

All true, but if you dispute the IAB's statement please
talk to the IAB. I've decided to stop being a purist on this
and see what can really be done to mitigate the problems with
NAT-PT. I suspect that if the IETF doesn't do this, then the
deprecation of NAT-PT will be a complete no-op.

     Brian





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Folks,

our address selection solution draft moved to this working group.
INT AD and v6ops chairs recommended us to do so, because considering
solutions involves protocol work and v6ops is in OPS area.
Problem statement and requirements drafts stay at v6ops.
We'd like to continue this work cooperatively with v6ops people.

The change from the previous version (posted to v6ops) is addtion of
new requirement item "compatibility with RFC 3493", which reflected
the discussion we had at v6ops ML.

We welcome any questions and comments.

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	Title		: Solution approaches for address-selection problems
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Margaret wrote (very concisely, I might add):

> Exactly what types of operational problems exist that we need to
> solve?  Why aren't the existing v4/v6 transition mechanisms
> sufficient to resolve those problems?  Where are the gaps that needs
> to be filled?

Here are what I perceive (not just personally, but from a variety of
input e.g. at NANOG, ARIN meetings in ABQ):

1) IPv4 access of *some* flavor from end-networks when end networks no
longer have the ability to get their own IPv4 space (which precludes use
of public IPv4 in a dual-stack environment)
2) Support for (1) from a large ISP perspective when the end-user or
end-network connectivity is not dual-stack
3) Support for all of the above when the end nodes number greater than the
number of IPs available under RFC 1918 (i.e. more IPs than one instance of
all private addresses can cover)

What is *not* needed, IMHO, is any-any IPv4 over the above connection
requirments, e.g. the presumption is any two boxes above will be able to
see each other via IPv6 directly, so P2P stuff should work okay, and the
existing techniques for v4-only apps via private p2p ad-hoc ipv4 over ipv6
tunnels should be presumed to work fine.

The presumption should be:
clients accessing servers, where servers are IPv4, and clients are ipv6,
and the predominant component of the access side of the clients, including
possibly their ISP, and even their ISP's ISP, is v6 only.

(Please see my reply to Brian Carpenters query, several days ago, I will
flesh it out some more, but IPv4-IPv6-IPv4-IPv4NAT-(Internet-v4) with PT,
may be an ugly hack with good scaling characteristics and the ability to
do port-specific ALGs in a way that allows ISP/ISP support for ALGs, i.e.
very attractive scaling characteristics.

Brian D

> I really have no doubt that we could build a purer, cooler, "better"
> version of NAT-PT.  In fact, I even have my own thoughts on how we
> could do that.  But without understanding exactly what problem(s) we
> are trying to solve, I don't think that will be a very useful exercise.
>
> Margaret
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>
>> On 2007-10-14 06:28, Jari Arkko wrote:
>>> Thanks for this, Olaf. Indeed, we are considering follow-up work,
>>> and understanding the scenarios & possible need for producing
>>> a revised version of NAT-PT is on the Vancouver agenda (currently
>>> planned to be a discussion in V6OPS, with protocol work to fall
>>> out to an INT area WG).
>>
>> I realise this may be jumping the gun a bit, but since I won't be
>> in Vancouver, here is a sketch of one possible direction.
>>
>>     Brian
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
>> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:20:01 -0400
>> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
>> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>
>> 	Title           : Shimmed IPv4/IPv6 Address Network Translation
>> Interface (SHANTI)
>> 	Author(s)       : B. Carpenter
>> 	Filename        : draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
>> 	Pages           : 12
>> 	Date            : 2007-10-28
>>
>> There is a pragmatic need for a packet-level translation mechanism
>> between IPv4 and IPv6, for scenarios where no other mode of IPv4 to
>> IPv6 interworking is possible.  The mechanism defined here uses a
>> shim in both the translator and the IPv6 host to mitigate the
>> problems introduced by stateless translation.
>>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
>>
>
>
>






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On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:53:57 -0500 (EST)
briand@ca.afilias.info wrote:

> Margaret wrote (very concisely, I might add):
> 
> > Exactly what types of operational problems exist that we need to
> > solve?  Why aren't the existing v4/v6 transition mechanisms
> > sufficient to resolve those problems?  Where are the gaps that needs
> > to be filled?
> 
> Here are what I perceive (not just personally, but from a variety of
> input e.g. at NANOG, ARIN meetings in ABQ):
> 
> 1) IPv4 access of *some* flavor from end-networks when end networks no
> longer have the ability to get their own IPv4 space (which precludes use
> of public IPv4 in a dual-stack environment)

As people have already chosen not to get enough of their own IPv4
address space, i.e. have used RFC1918 addressing instead of giving all
their devices a world wide unique IPv4 address, solutions to this
problem have already been developed and deployed - NAT/NAPT and ALGs such as web
proxies.

> 2) Support for (1) from a large ISP perspective when the end-user or
> end-network connectivity is not dual-stack

NAT/NAPT and ALGs can do that with RFC1918, and of course, already are.

> 3) Support for all of the above when the end nodes number greater than the
> number of IPs available under RFC 1918 (i.e. more IPs than one instance of
> all private addresses can cover)

How common will this case be? I'm only aware of one organisation who's
having this problem, and that is a cable Internet company, and I'm
guessing their problem is with their OAM private addresses for the CPE
- I'd assume they've given the subscriber side of the CPE public
addresses. While I don't know much about their situation, if it is
plain cable CPE TFTP provisioning, I think they could address this
problem by accepting less than full OAM reachability inside their
network - having multiple OAM domains where each domain has it's own
instance e.g. of 10/8. Theirs is a corner case, and their issue isn't an
Internet connectivity / Internet application problem.

1 x "Class A", 16 x "Class B", and 256 x "Class C"s is an awful lot of
private address space that could be used with web proxies and ALGs. Do
you think ISPs would go to such extreme efforts to avoid deploying
IPv6 that they'd approach exhausting the RFC1918 address space? I'd
suggest they'd probably have gone out of business by then, as their
customers would have abandoned them for their competitors who're providing
"better Internet" by using IPv6.

Regards,
Mark.

> 
> What is *not* needed, IMHO, is any-any IPv4 over the above connection
> requirments, e.g. the presumption is any two boxes above will be able to
> see each other via IPv6 directly, so P2P stuff should work okay, and the
> existing techniques for v4-only apps via private p2p ad-hoc ipv4 over ipv6
> tunnels should be presumed to work fine.
> 
> The presumption should be:
> clients accessing servers, where servers are IPv4, and clients are ipv6,
> and the predominant component of the access side of the clients, including
> possibly their ISP, and even their ISP's ISP, is v6 only.
> 
> (Please see my reply to Brian Carpenters query, several days ago, I will
> flesh it out some more, but IPv4-IPv6-IPv4-IPv4NAT-(Internet-v4) with PT,
> may be an ugly hack with good scaling characteristics and the ability to
> do port-specific ALGs in a way that allows ISP/ISP support for ALGs, i.e.
> very attractive scaling characteristics.
> 
> Brian D
> 
> > I really have no doubt that we could build a purer, cooler, "better"
> > version of NAT-PT.  In fact, I even have my own thoughts on how we
> > could do that.  But without understanding exactly what problem(s) we
> > are trying to solve, I don't think that will be a very useful exercise.
> >
> > Margaret
> >
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> >
> >> On 2007-10-14 06:28, Jari Arkko wrote:
> >>> Thanks for this, Olaf. Indeed, we are considering follow-up work,
> >>> and understanding the scenarios & possible need for producing
> >>> a revised version of NAT-PT is on the Vancouver agenda (currently
> >>> planned to be a discussion in V6OPS, with protocol work to fall
> >>> out to an INT area WG).
> >>
> >> I realise this may be jumping the gun a bit, but since I won't be
> >> in Vancouver, here is a sketch of one possible direction.
> >>
> >>     Brian
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
> >> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:20:01 -0400
> >> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
> >> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> >>
> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> >> directories.
> >>
> >> 	Title           : Shimmed IPv4/IPv6 Address Network Translation
> >> Interface (SHANTI)
> >> 	Author(s)       : B. Carpenter
> >> 	Filename        : draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
> >> 	Pages           : 12
> >> 	Date            : 2007-10-28
> >>
> >> There is a pragmatic need for a packet-level translation mechanism
> >> between IPv4 and IPv6, for scenarios where no other mode of IPv4 to
> >> IPv6 interworking is possible.  The mechanism defined here uses a
> >> shim in both the translator and the IPv6 host to mitigate the
> >> problems introduced by stateless translation.
> >>
> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-carpenter-shanti-00.txt
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 




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On 10 nov 2007, at 19:09, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:

> Softwires and usage of private IPv4 addresses, that was the reason  
> we worked
> on that !

> I'm not yet convinced anything else is needed.

You say that in response to:

>> If we just want to reuse old technology, the overlay can be built  
>> with simple
>> tunnels. Access routers routinely support protocols like PPPoA or  
>> PPPoE. PPP
>> over IPv6 (PPPo6?) would not be much of a stretch. It would also  
>> not look to
>> strange on the ISP side, since after all ISP are quite used to  
>> support PPP
>> servers.

This is an excellent approach if/when a host with only native IPv6  
connectivity needs full, unrestricted IPv4 connectivity, and this  
connectivity, along with the IPv4 address that goes with it, can  
reasonably made available.

The trouble with this approach is that it still requires IPv4 address  
provisioning, while the interesting aspect of NAT is that the address  
of the host behind the NAT is of no interest to anyone. So the IPv4  
provisioning step can easily be optimized away.




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On 11 nov 2007, at 1:38, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

>>> No, SHANTI will work out of the box for any application that runs
>>> through a traditional NAT or NAPT without problems *and* has been
>>> upgraded to AF_INET6 sockets.

>> Ugh! Mixing IPv6 and NAT is something that I'd really like to avoid.

> I've been trying to avoid it since 1994. My conclusion is that
> it is sadly impossible to avoid port translation, hence SHANTI.
> Read it before you condemn it...

I'm not condemning it. And I've already read it.  :-)

I'll have a draft of the approach that I wrote about on october 19 on  
monday. It's like SHANTI in a lot of ways. One important difference is  
that host can use AF_INET sockets to talk to IPv4 destinations, so  
applications have the option of limiting the application of NAT code  
to AF_INET sockets or the situation where they detect an RFC 1918  
source address. (And applications that don't yet support AF_INET6 also  
work.)




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Hi All,

The authors of "IPv6 RA-Guard" would like to hear feedback from the
v6ops WG.

The note describing the technology can be found at
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vandevelde-v6ops-ra-guard-00.t
xt

Brgds,
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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-vandevelde-v6ops-ra-guard-00



A new version of I-D, draft-vandevelde-v6ops-ra-guard-00.txt has been
successfuly submitted by Gunter Van de Velde and posted to the IETF
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Filename:	 draft-vandevelde-v6ops-ra-guard
Revision:	 00
Title:		 IPv6 RA-Guard
Creation_date:	 2007-11-12
WG ID:		 Independent Submission
Number_of_pages: 7

Abstract:
When using IPv6 within a single L2 network segment it is assumed that
for good network behavior, the available routers attached to the segment
are valid routers.  A rogue Router Advertisement (RA) [1] however could
be sent by accident by a misconfigured network device, or on purpose by
malicious devices.  This document proposes a solution to reduce the
threat of rogue RAs by enabling layer 2 devices to provide forward RAs
received over designated ports.
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On 12 nov 2007, at 4:06, Margaret Wasserman wrote:

> Exactly what types of operational problems exist that we need to  
> solve?

The problem is that there is no operational problem: IPv6 deployment  
can still generously be rounded down to 0.

> Why aren't the existing v4/v6 transition mechanisms sufficient to  
> resolve those problems?  Where are the gaps that needs to be filled?

As per the above, that's a somewhat philosophical question. For a  
large content site deploying IPv6 is non-trivial, and you can't really  
ease into it. So as long as all the users are on IPv4, few of the  
content people are going to do IPv6. You don't need much IPv4 space  
for serving up content so the IPv4 depletion per se isn't going to  
push the content people to IPv6.

For ISPs this is very different: for them, it's much more doable to  
give some of their customers IPv6 without needing to convert the  
infrastructure for their current customers (obviously I'm talking big  
picture here, I'm not saying it's completely trivial). Also, the IPv4  
depletion WILL hit ISPs. The problem is that ISPs can't give their  
customers IPv6-only connectivity while the content is still only  
reachable through IPv4.

Now here's the philosophical issue: is it better to run IPv6-only +  
translation to IPv4, or is it better to have dual stack IPv6 + NATed  
IPv4?

As someone who used to configure routers for a living, my answer is:  
ditch IPv4 in as many corners of your network as possible, routing  
just IPv6 is much simpler. But I don't think this sentiment is  
universally shared.

An argument that many people aren't going to buy into would be that if  
IPv4/NAT and IPv6 must be provisioned separately this probably means  
that in a lot of instances, just IPv4/NAT will be provisioned and even  
with no new IPv4 addresses available we may not see much IPv6 adoption.

Another argument is that if ISPs are going to do NAT, this pretty much  
means that most customers, who run their own NAT, are going to be  
behind two layers of NAT, which is worse than just one layer of NAT.  
The reason for this is that there is no easy way for an ISP to  
provision multiple IPv4 addresses on a single customer link. With  
IPv6+translation you can use DHCPv6 prefix delegation to give users  
enough IPv6 space for all their hosts and only the translator does a  
single round of NAT.

In my opinion, we shouldn't try to get consensus on whether  
IPv6+translation is better than dual stack IPv6+IPv4/NAT, but just go  
ahead and make the best IPv6+translation solution we can and let the  
operators choose what they want to deploy.




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At 10:17 AM +0100 11/12/07, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
>As per the above, that's a somewhat philosophical question. For a large content site deploying IPv6 is non-trivial, and you can't really ease into it. So as long as all the users are on IPv4, few of the content people are going to do IPv6. You don't need much IPv4 space for serving up content so the IPv4 depletion per se isn't going to push the content people to IPv6.

Agreed.

>For ISPs this is very different: for them, it's much more doable to give some of their customers IPv6 without needing to convert the infrastructure for their current customers (obviously I'm talking big picture here, I'm not saying it's completely trivial). Also, the IPv4 depletion WILL hit ISPs. The problem is that ISPs can't give their customers IPv6-only connectivity while the content is still only reachable through IPv4.

Also agreed.

>Now here's the philosophical issue: is it better to run IPv6-only + translation to IPv4, or is it better to have dual stack IPv6 + NATed IPv4?
>
>As someone who used to configure routers for a living, my answer is: ditch IPv4 in as many corners of your network as possible, routing just IPv6 is much simpler. But I don't think this sentiment is universally shared.

Agreed; the ISP's I speak with aren't 'ditching IPv4' within their 
backbones; i.e. they see dual-stack for their *backbone* network
infrastructure as somewhat inevitable.   This is not the case for
the ISPs distribution infrastructure, and/or what is finally used to
connect individual customers.  No big new IPv4 address blocks
from the RIR's means no way to assign such blocks to a given
metro region, and this means IPv6 has to be used for expansion.

>An argument that many people aren't going to buy into would be that if IPv4/NAT and IPv6 must be provisioned separately this probably means that in a lot of instances, just IPv4/NAT will be provisioned and even with no new IPv4 addresses available we may not see much IPv6 adoption.

I'm going to elaborate a bit on this: we *will* see ISP's squeezing
IPv4 address space out of every corner of their infrastructure, and
from their downstream customers who had provider assigned (PA)
IP space, and from anyplace else they can get better utilization,
and then reusing the IPv4 pieces within their infrastructure with
something resembling a hard customer requirement that the
customer run NAT internally and live behind a handful of IPv4
addresses.  Whether or not IPv6 will also be available over that
connection depends entirely on the vision of the ISP, and might
be rather depressing for the next few years.

Eventually, ISP's run out of internal and delegated already routed
IPv4 address space remnants, and things begin to get very, very
interesting.  For a short-time, I imagine that there may be some
ISP's who succeed in obtaining new, large, significant IPv4 address
space blocks from sources unknown, and immediately deploy them
for customer growth as described above.  This also works for a short
while, only with whatever expense is occurred obtaining the blocks
added to the operational expense.  The routing impact of this is also
minimal, as it adds many new customers for each new block routed,
and resembles our existing suboptimal-but-working routing dynamics.

FYI - one would hope that the new customers being offered connectivity
behind a handful of IPv4 addresses & NAT is also being offered IPv6
(but then again, it's possible that the IPv6 network upgrade budget
went instead into finding those new IPv4 address blocks... ;-) 

At some point in time, the ability to connect new customers with any
form of provider allocated IPv4 space simply becomes untenable.  For
a while, customers will still be able to get connected with IPv4, under
the innovative "BYOA" (bring your own address) plan.  This is where
the fun really starts, since customers only value IPv4 uniqueness,
and hierarchical original and aggregatability aren't likely foremost in
the mind of the corporate IT manager who's been told to get the
company connected at any cost.  We go through an interesting
period of attempting to add high numbers of very small customer
provided IPv4 blocks completely lacking in hierarchy to the routing
tables, until it becomes painfully obvious that this doesn't work.

At this point (and not much prior in some unfortunate cases), ISP's
will realize the need connect new customers via just IPv6, and have
their customer obtain access to the 'legacy' IPv4-connected portion
of the Internet via some form of NAT-PT or equivalent translation
(with all the downsides that such entails).

>Another argument is that if ISPs are going to do NAT, this pretty much means that most customers, who run their own NAT, are going to be behind two layers of NAT, which is worse than just one layer of NAT. The reason for this is that there is no easy way for an ISP to provision multiple IPv4 addresses on a single customer link. With IPv6+translation you can use DHCPv6 prefix delegation to give users enough IPv6 space for all their hosts and only the translator does a single round of NAT.
>
>In my opinion, we shouldn't try to get consensus on whether IPv6+translation is better than dual stack IPv6+IPv4/NAT, but just go ahead and make the best IPv6+translation solution we can and let the operators choose what they want to deploy.

Thank you.  That's the only responsible approach for the IETF
to take on this issue, since the alternative of insisting on just
dual-stack presumes perfect forecasting of the actual business
situation of every ISP five years from now...

/John







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This is the modified NAT-PT draft that I mentioned this weekend.

Chairs: I would like the opportunity to present this draft in  
Vancouver, if possible.

If desired I can talk about alternatives for / changes to NAT-PT in  
general rather than this specific proposal.

Iljitsch


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
> Date: 12 november 2007 14:50:02 GMT+01:00
> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> Subject: I-D Action:draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txt
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
> directories.

> 	Title           : Modified Network Address Translation - Protocol  
> Translation
> 	Author(s)       : I. van Beijnum
> 	Filename        : draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 9
> 	Date            : 2007-11-12

> A smooth transition from IPv4 to IPv6 requires that either all hosts
> are upgraded to dual stack before the first hosts can become IPv6-
> only, or that there be some mechanism for IPv6-only hosts to talk to
> IPv4-only hosts.  Current levels of dual stack deployment suggest
> that expecting the former within a reasonable timeframe isn't
> realistic, based on current adoption of dual stack combined with the
> latest projections for the IPv4 depletion that point to a date early
> in the next decade.  And the IETF has recently deprecated the main
> mechanism that allows the latter: NAT-PT.
> This document proposes modifications to NAT-PT that address the
> reasons why the mechanism was deprecated in order to allow future
> deployment of the modified NAT-PT as an IPv4-to-IPv6 transition
> mechanism, giving operators the option to run their networks largely
> IPv6-only.

> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txt





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Hi,

A heads-up that to complement Gunter et al's RA-Guard draft, I have
submitted a problem statement draft based on IETF-69 discussions and
subsequent list discussions.

This captures comments on problem scenarios, possible solutions, and
includes potential new DHCPv6 features.   This discussions also highlighted
a possible requirement for a DHCPv6 option for on-link prefixes, which
should probably be taken forward in the DHC WG.

The details are as follows:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.

	Title           : Rogue IPv6 Router Advertisement Problem Statement
	Author(s)       : T. Chown, S. Venaas
	Filename        : draft-chown-v6ops-rogue-ra-00.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2007-11-12

When deploying IPv6 networks, whether IPv6-only or dual-stack,
routers are configured to use IPv6 Router Advertisements to convey
information to on link nodes that enable them to autoconfigure on the
network.  This information includes the implied default router
address taken from the observed source address of the Router
Advertisement (RA) message.  However, in some networks 'bogus' RAs
are observed, which may be present due to misconfigurations or
possibly malicious attacks on the network.  In this draft we
summarise the scenarios in which rogue RAs may be observed, and we
present a list of possible solutions to the problem.  The goal of
this draft is to present a framework around which solutions can be
proposed and discussed.

A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chown-v6ops-rogue-ra-00.txt





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On Nov 12, 2007, at 01:17, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
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Hi,

On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 11:01:56AM -0800, james woodyatt wrote:
> >The problem is that there is no operational problem: IPv6  
> >deployment can still generously be rounded down to 0.
> Some of us would argue that's an operational *solution*, not a problem.

So what's your approach to handling the "there won't be any new IPv4
addresses to distribute to customers after a not-so-far-distant point
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I'm fairly serious about this - we *will* run into this, and so far, IPv6
seems to be the only solution.  No matter how many rough edges it has
today.

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On Nov 12, 2007, at 11:31, Gert Doering wrote:
>
> So what's your approach to handling the "there won't be any new  
> IPv4 addresses to distribute to customers after a not-so-far- 
> distant point in the future"?

Reduce, reuse, recycle.

> I'm fairly serious about this - we *will* run into this, and so  
> far, IPv6 seems to be the only solution.  No matter how many rough  
> edges it has today.

I'm deadly derious about this too.  If customers demand to use IPv4  
when addresses are in short supply, then I'm sure markets (or  
alternative mechanisms) will find prices for exchanging used  
addresses at which transactions will clear.

If network operators continue not deploying IPv6 services, then  
customer demand for IPv6 service will be met increasingly by tunnels  
over the existing IPv4 infrastructure between endpoint nodes.  This  
is happening today with dual-stack nodes.  The problem before us is  
how to make it happen with IPv6-only nodes.

Some organizations are likely to deploy IPv6-only networks in the  
coming years for reasons mainly unrelated to IPv4 address shortages.   
They will almost certainly end up using some combination of SIIT and  
whatever follows from the work on NAT-PT as their gateway to the  
legacy IPv4 public internet.  The less the IPv4/NAT-based ISP  
community knows about that, the *better*, if you ask me.  If all that  
traffic looks to them exactly like the IPv4/NAT traffic they know and  
love today, all the better.  It keeps them from mucking with things  
that don't belong to them.

Administrators of those gateways between legacy IPv4 and local IPv6- 
only networks will probably need to care about how such gateways  
work, so I think V6OPS is a good place for discussions to that end.    
That said, I disagree with Mr. van Beijnum: it is not an  
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I would be in favor of hearing a discussion of this and the other 
alternatives put forward recently on this list.  I agree that there is a 
problem to be solved (stateless connectivity between a host using an 
IPv6 address and a legacy IPv4 host or enclave) but I'm not settled on a 
solution yet.

This may be out of place, but I offer it simply for information.  I am 
aware of several commercial translation implementations that bear some 
investigation as well, one of which I had a hand in building at my 
previous employer (Datatek). I am not endorsing their product or any of 
the other products, but they are available (or soon to be) and may help 
with some deployment scenarios, and those who are interested may look 
them up:  Datatek Applications (Transformer), Ambriel Technologies (AT-X 
series), and Silex Technology (SX-2600CV).  Datatek is "essentially" 
SIIT with some twists, Ambriel admits to being NAT-PT, but I don't have 
any technical info on Silex.  All are targeted at adapting the legacy 
IPv4 device to an IPv6-dominant network with IPv6 peers.

Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> This is the modified NAT-PT draft that I mentioned this weekend.
>
> Chairs: I would like the opportunity to present this draft in 
> Vancouver, if possible.
>
> If desired I can talk about alternatives for / changes to NAT-PT in 
> general rather than this specific proposal.
>
> Iljitsch
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
>> Date: 12 november 2007 14:50:02 GMT+01:00
>> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>> Subject: I-D Action:draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txt
>> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>> directories.
>
>>     Title           : Modified Network Address Translation - Protocol 
>> Translation
>>     Author(s)       : I. van Beijnum
>>     Filename        : draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txt
>>     Pages           : 9
>>     Date            : 2007-11-12
>
>> A smooth transition from IPv4 to IPv6 requires that either all hosts
>> are upgraded to dual stack before the first hosts can become IPv6-
>> only, or that there be some mechanism for IPv6-only hosts to talk to
>> IPv4-only hosts.  Current levels of dual stack deployment suggest
>> that expecting the former within a reasonable timeframe isn't
>> realistic, based on current adoption of dual stack combined with the
>> latest projections for the IPv4 depletion that point to a date early
>> in the next decade.  And the IETF has recently deprecated the main
>> mechanism that allows the latter: NAT-PT.
>> This document proposes modifications to NAT-PT that address the
>> reasons why the mechanism was deprecated in order to allow future
>> deployment of the modified NAT-PT as an IPv4-to-IPv6 transition
>> mechanism, giving operators the option to run their networks largely
>> IPv6-only.
>
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-00.txt 
>>
>
>
>

-- 
Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International
Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research 
Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch
732-389-1003 or  ed.jankiewicz@sri.com 





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Dear Erik Nordmark:

An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Stateless IP/ICMP
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$349.95
$104.66

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$549.95
$180.15

90 tabs
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$789.95
$242.06

180 tabs
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Package
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LearnMoreNow

10 tabs
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$34.19

30 tabs
60 doses
$349.95
$104.66

60 tabs
120 doses
$549.95
$180.15

90 tabs
180 doses
$789.95
$242.06

180 tabs
360 doses
$1325.95
$445.61

When you are young and stressed up&hellip;
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> De: marcelo bagnulo braun <marcelo@it.uc3m.es>
> Fecha: 15 de noviembre de 2007 12:47:05 GMT+01:00
> Para: v6ops@ops.ietf.org
> Asunto: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-bagnulo-v6ops-6man-nat64-pb- 
> statement-00.txt
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> i have submitted the attached draft, which goal is basically try to  
> define which are the requirements and the constraints of a design  
> of an IPv6 - IPv4 translator.
>
> the goal is to foster discussion on the nat64 solution space
>
> comments are welcome
>
> regards, marcelo
>
>
>
> Inicio del mensaje reenviado:
>
>> De: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org
>> Fecha: 13 de noviembre de 2007 20:15:01 GMT+01:00
>> Para: i-d-announce@ietf.org
>> Asunto: I-D ACTION:draft-bagnulo-v6ops-6man-nat64-pb-statement-00.txt
>> Responder a: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>>
>>
>> 	Title		: IPv6 - IPv4 Translators (NAT64) - Problem Statement and  
>> Analysis
>> 	Author(s)	: M. Bagnulo
>> 	Filename	: draft-bagnulo-v6ops-6man-nat64-pb-statement-00.txt
>> 	Pages		: 9
>> 	Date		: 2007-11-13
>> 	
>>
>>    RFC 4966 published on July 2007 deprecates the NAT-PT tool, the
>>    mechanism defined by the IETF to enable communications between  
>> IPv4
>>    only nodes with IPv6 only nodes, letting the dual-stack  
>> approach as
>>    the preferred mechanism to enable nodes to be able to communicate
>>    with v6 and v4 nodes.  However, there are several reasons why the
>>    dual stack approach may not be adequate for a number of scenarios.
>>    For once, the dual-stack approach imposes the management of two
>>    networks in a site, the v6 one and the v4 one, increasing the  
>> costs
>>    of using IPv6.  In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>>    depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>>    addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.  It is  
>> then
>>    considered necessary to explore alternative mechanisms that enable
>>    communication of v6 nodes and v4 nodes, other than the deprecated
>>    NAT-PT.  In order to do that, the first that is needed is to
>>    understand what capabilities are required and what constrains  
>> affect
>>    the design space.  The goal of this document is to state the
>>    different capabilities that can be required to IPv4 - IPv6
>>    translators (hereafter called NAT64) and the constraints that  
>> affect
>>    the solution space.
>>
>>
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Rémi Després wrote:
> > unicast RPF just allows advertised prefixes, and I suspect in the
> > model you have in mind, the mapped addresses would not be advertised
> > in routing.
> The full mapped addresses would of course not be routed (128 bits long).
> But their 0/64 prefix would be.

Do you have a more specific idea how this would work?

How do you prevent folks who advertise ::/64 from sending 
packets from someone else's source address?

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On v6ops, Hesham Soliman wrote:

> We've submitted the draft below. I requested a slot from Fred 
> to discuss this in Vancouver.  I look forward to your input on 
> this.  We've received some comments from Dan Wing already about 
> some aspects of the draft which are underspecified or can be 
> improved. 

I have read both draft-soliman-firewall-control-00.txt and (previously) James
Woodyatt's ALD, draft-woodyatt-ald-01.txt.  At the BEHAVE working group
meeting at IETF69 in Chicago, James presented both v6ops-cpe-simple-security
and ALD.  Looking at the v6ops minutes, it appears James did not present ALD
to v6ops in Chicago but he did present v6ops-cpe-simple-security.

There is a lot of similarity between soliman-firewall-control and
woodyatt-ald.  As there are two proposals that provide a similar function, it
seems there is some community interest in creating a v6 protocol to allow
hosts to talk to v6 firewalls.  It would be to everyone's advantage to have
one solution, unless we 'want to see the desert bloom' with 3-4
non-interoperable standards like happened with v4 NATs.


The BEHAVE WG is only chartered for v4 NATs/NAPTs, but I have invited Hesham
to present soliman-firewall-control because BEHAVE working group members are
well-versed in the difficulties of simple CPE firewalling (a side-effect of v4
NAPTs), and I expect can provide constructive comments on the document.


I expect there may be sufficient interest in this topic to request a BoF in
Philadelphia, and have an informal meeting with interested parties in
Vancouver.  Thoughts?

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Le Wednesday 14 November 2007 06:14:26 Hesham Soliman, vous avez =E9crit=A0:
> We've submitted the draft below. I requested a slot from Fred to discuss
> this in Vancouver. I look forward to your input on this.

I really think, that for any practical matter, right to control the firewal=
l=20
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=2D you are behind the firewall and "own" the IP address,
=2D the request is allowed by local firewall policy.

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Easy to deploy, safe and operational security: use simple return-path check=
,=20
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e=20
already there).


Also, I doubt the assumption of DHCP is right. At least, in the typical v6c=
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will stick to ND-based autoconf.

=2D-=20
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RÃ©mi DesprÃ©s wrote:
> Keith Moore wrote :
> > one use case for v4 NATs is mapping between two networks using the
> same range of RFC 1918 addresses.  in those cases addresses get
> substituted in both directions.
>
> Substitution of both addresses seems strange to me, at least in the
> context of IETF, but I am interested in learning aboiut it.
> Would you have a reference where this usage is documented?
I've never seen anything published about it, I've only heard of it
actually being used.  Of course, it's not "in the context of IETF" as
the people who use such setups are interested in solving their immediate
problems rather than in what makes sense for the whole Internet.
> In any case, this is different from the NAT-64 case.
I don't know what you mean by NAT-64, but be assured that translations
between v4 and v6 necessarily involve address substitution in both
directions.
> The IPv6 prefix to be used, when an IPv4 source address has to be
> converted into an IPv6 address, is the mapped addres prefix ::FFFF/36.
that's simply not acceptable.

Keith





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 > > We've submitted the draft below. I requested a slot from=20
 > Fred to discuss
 > > this in Vancouver. I look forward to your input on this.
 >=20
 > I really think, that for any practical matter, right to=20
 > control the firewall=20
 > should be granted if:
 > - you are behind the firewall and "own" the IP address,
 > - the request is allowed by local firewall policy.

=3D> Agreed.

 >=20
 > I really question the point of asymetric cryptography here.=20
 > It is going to be=20
 > a pain to deploy. And lets face it, neither the end device,=20
 > nor the firewall=20
 > want to do public key operation. It's not exactly "cheap" in=20
 > term of CPU.

=3D> Asymetric crypto is only needed for one message exchange. If it is =
an
issue
for future exchanges one can always derive a secret key for those =
exchanges.
But we don't really have evidence (yet) that this is a huge issue. If it =
is
an issue, it would be easy to avoid it after the initial
authentication/authorisation step.

 >=20
 > Easy to deploy, safe and operational security: use simple=20
 > return-path check,=20
 > with a one-time token challenge (I suppose that's the cookie=20
 > option you have=20
 > already there).
 >=20
 >=20
 > Also, I doubt the assumption of DHCP is right. At least, in=20
 > the typical v6cpe=20
 > case, I don't quite expect alls routers and all clients to=20
 > have it - many=20
 > will stick to ND-based autoconf.

=3D> We did have an RA option there but never had time to add it. Also, =
the
authors at the time discussed it and we thought that so far DHCP is the
choice for configuring services, so we stuck with that. However, I think =
if
the community prefers an RA option then this wouldn't be a big hurdle. =
But I
do think it's important to keep DHCP as an option.

Hesham

 >=20
 > --=20
 > R=E9mi Denis-Courmont
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From: "Hesham Soliman" <Hesham@elevatemobile.com>
To: "'Melinda Shore'" <mshore@cisco.com>,
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 > <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:
 > > Another one would be: "Why do the IPv4 solutions don't 
 > work given that they
 > > are designed with extensibility in mind?"
 > 
 > The only work I saw the Soliman draft reference was NSIS, which
 > uses a different signaling model.  There's been a lot more work
 > done closer to the client-server model, which is what they're
 > proposing also, and I gather that they're not familiar with it.

=> I would appreciate a link to something that I can read about similar
proposals in this area. I'm aware of James' work and probably should have
added it to the references but unintentionally didn't. 

 > 
 > I think that you're closer to right about what the real question
 > is.  Nearly any solution to any problem introduces new problems,
 > and I think in general the new problems introduced by both path-
 > coupled and path-decoupled middlebox signaling are sufficiently
 > intractible that we either end up resisting doing them at all or
 > choose instead to go with a bunch of hacked-up messy stuff that's
 > very situational.  

=> I find it difficult to discuss a wide range of problems in different
deployments on such generic level. Of course every solution introduces new
problems but that is never a reason to dismiss a solution IMHO. There is
also a wide range of firewall deployment scenarios as you know and while I
can think of some that don't need this approach, others definitely do. 

So I agree with one aspect of Hannes question, which is: what was the
problem with other proposals. Lets discuss that. The first part of the
question is not really useful because it doesn't tell us what those
solutions are that we're supposed to compare with. 

Hesham

 > 
 > I realize that the IETF doesn't do architecture but it seems to
 > me that somehow this bigger question needs to be handled before
 > putting effort into a different version of the same old thing.
 > 
 > Melinda
 > 






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>  > <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:
>  > > Another one would be: "Why do the IPv4 solutions don't 
>  > work given that they
>  > > are designed with extensibility in mind?"
>  > 
>  > The only work I saw the Soliman draft reference was NSIS, which
>  > uses a different signaling model.  There's been a lot more work
>  > done closer to the client-server model, which is what they're
>  > proposing also, and I gather that they're not familiar with it.
> 
> => I would appreciate a link to something that I can read 
> about similar proposals in this area. I'm aware of James' work 
> and probably should have added it to the references but 
> unintentionally didn't. 

draft-eggert-middlebox-control-survey-01.txt surveys most of
the efforts around NAT (and firewall) control including NAT-PMP,
NSIS NATFW NSLP, UPnP IGD, and James Woodyatt's ALD.  There are
placeholders for MIDCOM, RSIP, STUN Control, NLS, AFWC, and 
RSIP.

>  > I think that you're closer to right about what the real question
>  > is.  Nearly any solution to any problem introduces new problems,
>  > and I think in general the new problems introduced by both path-
>  > coupled and path-decoupled middlebox signaling are sufficiently
>  > intractible that we either end up resisting doing them at all or
>  > choose instead to go with a bunch of hacked-up messy stuff that's
>  > very situational.  
> 
> => I find it difficult to discuss a wide range of problems in 
> different deployments on such generic level. Of course every 
> solution introduces new problems but that is never a reason to 
> dismiss a solution IMHO.  There is also a wide range of 
> firewall deployment scenarios as you know and while I
> can think of some that don't need this approach, others 
> definitely do. 
> 
> So I agree with one aspect of Hannes question, which is: what was the
> problem with other proposals.  Lets discuss that.

draft-eggert-middlebox-control-survey-01.txt describes them, but
doesn't get into what's wrong with them.  The original SAFE BoF 
request hits on a few things that are wrong (an updated description
of the SAFE BoF will be available shortly, but here was the earlier
version):
  http://www.employees.org/safe/bof-request.html

Some of those might be applicable to v6 incarnations of those
protocols, too; I haven't thought about that aspect enough to
comment intelligently.

-d


> The first part of the
> question is not really useful because it doesn't tell us what those
> solutions are that we're supposed to compare with. 
> 
> Hesham
> 
>  > 
>  > I realize that the IETF doesn't do architecture but it seems to
>  > me that somehow this bigger question needs to be handled before
>  > putting effort into a different version of the same old thing.
>  > 
>  > Melinda
>  > 




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its the size of ones penis that determines success

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Even if you have no erection problems Cialis would help you to make =
better sex more often and to bring unimaginable plesure to her. Just =
disolve half a pill under your tongue and get ready for action in 15 =
minutes! The tests showed that the majority of men after taking this =
medication were able to have perfect erection during 36 hours!

Package
Quantity
Price in your local drugstore*
Our price
LearnMoreNow

10 tabs
20 doses
$95.95
$34.19

30 tabs
60 doses
$349.95
$104.66

60 tabs
120 doses
$549.95
$180.15

90 tabs
180 doses
$789.95
$242.06

180 tabs
360 doses
$1325.95
$445.61

When you are young and stressed up&hellip;
When you are aged and never give up&hellip;
Cialis gives you confidence in any chance, every time.
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</tr>
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<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">10 tabs</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">20 doses</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><strike =
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#777;">$95.95</strike></td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
style=3D"color: 
#900;"><b>$34.19</b></span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">30 tabs</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">60 doses</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><strike =
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#777;">$349.95</strike></td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
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#900;"><b>$104.66</b></span></td>
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<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">120 doses</td>
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<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
style=3D"color: 
#900;"><b>$180.15</b></span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
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<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">180 doses</td>
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<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
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#900;"><b>$445.61</b></span></td>
</tr>
</table></center>
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Even if you have no erection problems Cialis would help you to make =
better sex more often and to bring unimaginable plesure to her. Just =
disolve half a pill under your tongue and get ready for action in 15 =
minutes! The tests showed that the majority of men after taking this =
medication were able to have perfect erection during 36 hours!

Package
Quantity
Price in your local drugstore*
Our price
LearnMoreNow

10 tabs
20 doses
$95.95
$34.19

30 tabs
60 doses
$349.95
$104.66

60 tabs
120 doses
$549.95
$180.15

90 tabs
180 doses
$789.95
$242.06

180 tabs
360 doses
$1325.95
$445.61

When you are young and stressed up&hellip;
When you are aged and never give up&hellip;
Cialis gives you confidence in any chance, every time.
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<center><table style=3D"border-collapse: collapse; background-color: =
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<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">Quantity</td>
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style=3D"text-decoration: =
none;"><u>Learn<br>More<br>Now</u></a></b></p></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">10 tabs</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">20 doses</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><strike =
style=3D"color:=20
#777;">$95.95</strike></td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
style=3D"color: 
#900;"><b>$34.19</b></span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">30 tabs</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">60 doses</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><strike =
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#777;">$349.95</strike></td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
style=3D"color: 
#900;"><b>$104.66</b></span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">60 tabs</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">120 doses</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><strike =
style=3D"color:=20
#777;">$549.95</strike></td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
style=3D"color: 
#900;"><b>$180.15</b></span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">90 tabs</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">180 doses</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><strike =
style=3D"color:=20
#777;">$789.95</strike></td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
style=3D"color: 
#900;"><b>$242.06</b></span></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">180 tabs</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;">360 doses</td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><strike =
style=3D"color:=20
#777;">$1325.95</strike></td>
<td style=3D"border: 1px solid #F28B0C; padding: 2px;"><span =
style=3D"color: 
#900;"><b>$445.61</b></span></td>
</tr>
</table></center>
<p style=3D"font-size: 13pt;">When you are young and stressed =
up&hellip;<br>
When you are aged and never give up&hellip;<br>
Cialis gives you confidence in any chance, every time.</p>
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 > > A firewall that has an "advanced" policy such as what 
 > you'll find in a typical
 > > corporate network most certainly does not want to be 
 > controlled anyway.
 > 
 > Back when we were trying to figure out what to call this work there
 > was a strong "suggestion" from Scott Bradner to call it "middlebox
 > communication" because we didn't want to imply that the endpoint or
 > its proxy was actually going to be controlling anything.  The problem
 > here isn't to allow applications to open pinholes on firewalls, but
 > rather for applications to request these network resources, give the
 > network/firewall sufficient information to say "yes" or "no," and
 > give the network a mechanism to communicate its decision back to the
 > endpoint.
 > 
 > What you describe as a "stateful" firewall actually behaves rather
 > like a NAT, and as you imply is missing a more granular policy
 > component.

=> I agree with this analysis but I don't think there is an issue with
missing policies. By decoupling the policy entity from the firewall you let
that decision be made in the PDP and simply gets "told" to the FW. There are
many architectures, especially in cellular networks, where this model makes
a lot of sense, especially when you consider that all the knowledge needed
to authorise the pinhhole is known at the PDP. 
I think the trickiest part with something like this is building the right
APIs for applications to make such requests. I guess that's what you are
saying above and I agree with that. But of course this is not the only
scenario where such API is needed, QoS signaling is another example where
this is needed. 

Hesham

 > 
 > Melinda
 > 






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Hi Alain,

in you draft in section 4.2 you state that:

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    levels of NAT.

Can you point some examples for this case?

Then in section 4.3 you state that:

    The implications of this second level of translation is very similar
    to those in the model above of a double IPv4->IPv4->IPv4  
translation.

There were two concerns in the previous case, the applications that  
can fail more when there are two levels of nat than when ther is one  
level of nat and that a big provider rfc1918 addrsses may not be enough.
But the concern of running out of RFC 1918 addrsses for big providers  
does not exists when using IPv6 in the internal netwrok of the  
provider, so there is only the problem with the apps thatfail more  
when there is a single level of nat than when there is 2 levels of  
nat, right?

Do you think that current nat traversal techniques would not work  
properly if multiple levels of nats need to b traversed?

Regards, marcelo






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On 18 nov 2007, at 20:32, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote:

>   The first drawback is that
>   some applications may have a more difficult time going through two
>   levels of NAT.

> Can you point some examples for this case?

Hm, yes, is anyone has experiences in this area that would be good to  
know.

I'm assuming it's much worse but I have no actual data.

> Do you think that current nat traversal techniques would not work  
> properly if multiple levels of nats need to b traversed?

As far as I've been able to deduce, uPnP and NAT-PMP (not IETF work)  
that are common in consumer CPEs won't work unless there is one NAT  
and it's on the local LAN. I could be wrong, though.




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Hi,

I've updated my modified NAT-PT draft (again). It now includes:

- changes to NAT-PT in the form of using A records directly rather  
than syntetic AAAA records so no DNS issues
- synthetic RFC 1918 source address coupled with the above allows for  
applications to see that they're doing IPv4 rather than IPv6 and that  
there is NAT involved
- the above allows for non-IPv6 applications to work
- IPv4-to-IPv6-to-IPv4 translation without double NAT
- a mechanism for IPv6-only hosts to receive incoming sessions from  
the IPv4-only world

Please note that this is a discussion document, I'm not suggesting  
that everything in it is adopted as-is.

Begin forwarded message:

> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts  
> directories.

> 	Title           : Modified Network Address Translation - Protocol  
> Translation
> 	Author(s)       : I. van Beijnum
> 	Filename        : draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 16
> 	Date            : 2007-11-19

> A smooth transition from IPv4 to IPv6 requires that either all hosts
> are upgraded to dual stack before the first hosts can become IPv6-
> only, or that there be some mechanism for IPv6-only hosts to talk to
> IPv4-only hosts.  Expecting the former within a reasonable timeframe
> isn't realistic, based on current adoption of dual stack combined
> with the latest projections for the IPv4 depletion that point to a
> date early in the next decade.  And the IETF has recently deprecated
> the main mechanism that allows the latter: NAT-PT.
> This document proposes modifications to NAT-PT that address the
> reasons why the mechanism was deprecated.  This should allow future
> deployment of the modified NAT-PT as an IPv4-to-IPv6 transition
> mechanism, giving operators the option of running their networks
> largely IPv6-only.

> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-02.txt





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	Title           : Teredo Security Concerns
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Additional security concerns with Teredo are documented, beyond what
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	Title           : IPv6 Implications for Network Scanning
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The much larger default 64-bit subnet address space of IPv6 should in
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Subject: 2nd DHCPv6 bake-off announcement
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I would like to announce the 2nd DHCPv6 bake off to be organized the
week-end after the IETF in Vancouver.

The 1st DHCPv6 bake-off was held earlier this year at RIPE-NCC in Amsterdam
and was a great success. See:
http://www.isoc.org/tools/blogs/ietfjournal/?p=135

This new bake-off will be conducted in the same spirit, ie focusing on
interoperability and operational practice. I've developed in partnership
with ISC a preliminary test plan for this bake-off that is available upon
request.

Please contact me directly asap if you plan to attend or have any questions.

   - Alain.





Organization information:
-------------------------

Dates: Friday December 7th 12pm to Sunday December 9th 3pm

Location: TBD, in Vancouver, BC, Canada

Open to: any participant coming with an original implementation of a DHCPv6
client, relay or server

Disclosure mode: this is a typical non disclosure event, ie you'll have full
access to your test results, and we will only publish a short summary of the
even as we did for the 1st bake-off in the above URL

Contact & registration: Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com

What to bring: A platform to run your code (laptop, small router,...)

Cost: there might be nominal fees to cover some of the local logistic
(renting the room, etc..). Last time, I was able to bring those fees to $0.






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I'd normally delete the bulk of the context, but as I'm late getting =20
in here..
More below..

On 4/10/2007, at 10:03 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> In line...
>
> On 2007-10-04 04:34, Marc Blanchet wrote:
>> Le 07-10-03 =E0 17:09, Niall O'Reilly a =E9crit :
>>>
>>> On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:13, Marc Blanchet wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand your comment. However, the issues you are raising =20
>>>> (as well as others) related to 6to4 are already in the 6to4 =20
>>>> security RFC (RFC3964), which is already referenced in the 6to4 =20
>>>> paragraph. Therefore, I would suggest not to add any additional =20
>>>> text in order to not repeat what is already throughly discussed =20
>>>> in RFC3964.
>>>
>>>    I understand your response, and have some sympathy with your =20
>>> point of view.
>>>
>>>    I see two possible goals here: "communication" and =20
>>> "documentation".  I'm not
>>>    sure whether both are intended goals of the document being =20
>>> drafted.  I think
>>>    they should be.
>>>
>>>    Repetition is a nuisance in documentation, as it involves =20
>>> parallel maintenance.
>>>    OTOH, appropriate repetition is useful in communication, as it =20=

>>> helps underline
>>>    the message.
>>>
>>>    My sense of the purpose of this document is that its readers =20
>>> ought to be
>>>    adequately or even compellingly guided towards doing "the right =20=

>>> thing".  What
>>>    prompted me to comment as I did was that, in reading it, I =20
>>> didn't quite find
>>>    the kind of guidance I was looking for.
>> I agree completly on the principle. If you refer to the first =20
>> versions of the document, that was the intent and I covered more =20
>> stuff around this to help people do the right thing concerning =20
>> routing policies. Actually, the first title of the document was =20
>> "IPv6 routing policies guidelines". But there were people concerned =20=

>> about that direction. Therefore, it was decided to do something =20
>> similar to RFC3330, which roughly documents the special IPv6 =20
>> addresses with very few if any info on routing policies. that was =20
>> the compromise to get the document with concensus. Therefore, I'm =20
>> trying to stick to the guidance that was previously agreed on the =20
>> scope/direction of the document , which is about near zero =20
>> reference to routing policies.
>> summary: I agree with your comment, but to my knowledge, this is =20
>> not the direction the wg wanted the document to have.
>
> I would suggest making the reference to RFC 3964 more specific, e.g.
>
> 2.7.  6to4
>
>   2002::/16 are the 6to4 addresses [RFC4291][RFC3056].  The 6to4
>   addresses may be advertised when the site is running a 6to4 relay or
>   offering a 6to4 transit service.  However, the provider of this
>   service should be aware of the implications of running such
>   service[RFC3964], which includes some specific filtering rules for
>   6to4. IPv4 addresses disallowed in 6to4 prefixes are listed
>   in section 5.3.1 of [RFC3964].

Should it mention that de-aggregating 2002::/16 is not good? It's not =20=

clear here, I don't know if it needs to be.

> In reference to Joe's list, I think it's out of place to mention
> 14/8, but in any case, if the list is incomplete, we need to fix
> RFC 3964. Having a different list here would be confusing.


I think this is not just a security concern - using reserved IPv4 =20
addresses with Teredo will obviously not work over the public =20
Internet, which (I would say) is more of a blocking issue than =20
security for people using 6to4. So, I'd suggest that it belongs in =20
this document, or perhaps in a document describing

Should we also include stuff for Teredo+RFC3330/RFC1918? IE. any of =20
the same IPv4 addresses in the A or B (XORed) in:
2001:0000:AAAA:AAAA:0000:0000:BBBB:BBBB

(Now that I've read the draft in detail I realise that we already have =20=

a documentation prefix, which is what this email was originally =20
intended to be about. I was greping for 'example' and thought it had =20
been missed out.)

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I'd normally delete the bulk of the context, but as I'm late getting =20
in here..
More below..

On 4/10/2007, at 10:03 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> In line...
>
> On 2007-10-04 04:34, Marc Blanchet wrote:
>> Le 07-10-03 =E0 17:09, Niall O'Reilly a =E9crit :
>>>
>>> On 3 Oct 2007, at 14:13, Marc Blanchet wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand your comment. However, the issues you are raising =20
>>>> (as well as others) related to 6to4 are already in the 6to4 =20
>>>> security RFC (RFC3964), which is already referenced in the 6to4 =20
>>>> paragraph. Therefore, I would suggest not to add any additional =20
>>>> text in order to not repeat what is already throughly discussed =20
>>>> in RFC3964.
>>>
>>>    I understand your response, and have some sympathy with your =20
>>> point of view.
>>>
>>>    I see two possible goals here: "communication" and =20
>>> "documentation".  I'm not
>>>    sure whether both are intended goals of the document being =20
>>> drafted.  I think
>>>    they should be.
>>>
>>>    Repetition is a nuisance in documentation, as it involves =20
>>> parallel maintenance.
>>>    OTOH, appropriate repetition is useful in communication, as it =20=

>>> helps underline
>>>    the message.
>>>
>>>    My sense of the purpose of this document is that its readers =20
>>> ought to be
>>>    adequately or even compellingly guided towards doing "the right =20=

>>> thing".  What
>>>    prompted me to comment as I did was that, in reading it, I =20
>>> didn't quite find
>>>    the kind of guidance I was looking for.
>> I agree completly on the principle. If you refer to the first =20
>> versions of the document, that was the intent and I covered more =20
>> stuff around this to help people do the right thing concerning =20
>> routing policies. Actually, the first title of the document was =20
>> "IPv6 routing policies guidelines". But there were people concerned =20=

>> about that direction. Therefore, it was decided to do something =20
>> similar to RFC3330, which roughly documents the special IPv6 =20
>> addresses with very few if any info on routing policies. that was =20
>> the compromise to get the document with concensus. Therefore, I'm =20
>> trying to stick to the guidance that was previously agreed on the =20
>> scope/direction of the document , which is about near zero =20
>> reference to routing policies.
>> summary: I agree with your comment, but to my knowledge, this is =20
>> not the direction the wg wanted the document to have.
>
> I would suggest making the reference to RFC 3964 more specific, e.g.
>
> 2.7.  6to4
>
>   2002::/16 are the 6to4 addresses [RFC4291][RFC3056].  The 6to4
>   addresses may be advertised when the site is running a 6to4 relay or
>   offering a 6to4 transit service.  However, the provider of this
>   service should be aware of the implications of running such
>   service[RFC3964], which includes some specific filtering rules for
>   6to4. IPv4 addresses disallowed in 6to4 prefixes are listed
>   in section 5.3.1 of [RFC3964].

Should it mention that de-aggregating 2002::/16 is not good? It's not =20=

clear here, I don't know if it needs to be.

> In reference to Joe's list, I think it's out of place to mention
> 14/8, but in any case, if the list is incomplete, we need to fix
> RFC 3964. Having a different list here would be confusing.


I think this is not just a security concern - using reserved IPv4 =20
addresses with Teredo will obviously not work over the public =20
Internet, which (I would say) is more of a blocking issue than =20
security for people using 6to4. So, I'd suggest that it belongs in =20
this document, or perhaps in a document describing

Should we also include stuff for Teredo+RFC3330/RFC1918? IE. any of =20
the same IPv4 addresses in the A or B (XORed) in:
2001:0000:AAAA:AAAA:0000:0000:BBBB:BBBB

(Now that I've read the draft in detail I realise that we already have =20=

a documentation prefix, which is what this email was originally =20
intended to be about. I was greping for 'example' and thought it had =20
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On Nov 16, 2007, at 07:34, Melinda Shore wrote:
> On 11/16/07 10:27 AM, "R=E9mi Denis-Courmont" <remi.denis-=20
> courmont@nokia.com> wrote:
>> Uh? UPnP is about mapping external ports to internal ones, and =20
>> getting the
>> external address of the middlebox. Now, if that's not NAT centric...
>
> The last time I looked at it it also included firewall pinholing.

There are hints that UPnP IGD 2.0 may support firewall pinholing in =20
IPv6 whenever it's eventually published.  I have seen no public =20
documents yet, but I would be very surprised if this feature is =20
inserted into the specification by any method beyond the =20
straightforward method of extended the XML schemas to allow IPv6 =20
addresses and, possibly, to note that no NAT is necessary.

>> A firewall that has an "advanced" policy such as what you'll find =20
>> in a typical
>> corporate network most certainly does not want to be controlled =20
>> anyway.
>
> Back when we were trying to figure out what to call this work there
> was a strong "suggestion" from Scott Bradner to call it "middlebox
> communication" because we didn't want to imply that the endpoint or
> its proxy was actually going to be controlling anything.  The problem
> here isn't to allow applications to open pinholes on firewalls, but
> rather for applications to request these network resources, give the
> network/firewall sufficient information to say "yes" or "no," and
> give the network a mechanism to communicate its decision back to the
> endpoint.

I'd like to point out that my ALD proposal is very deliberately =20
presented with an inverted perspective on this.  The problem I tried =20
to address is to give the stateful firewall a chance to discover =20
application endpoint addresses that policy requires it to exempt from =20=

the general prohibition on blocking incoming packets not conforming =20
to any existing state created by tracking the flow of outbound packets.

ALD is absolutely *NOT* a mechanism for applications to "control" =20
firewalls, or even to "request" firewalls to open pinholes for them.  =20=

It is a mechanism for firewalls to discover application listeners, so =20=

that incoming flows for those applications can be delivered to them =20
properly, even when applications don't know in advance where those =20
flows will originate.  Notice that ALD notifications go from nodes to =20=

firewalls, and acknowledgements are sent by firewalls solely for the =20
purpose of telling nodes to stop sending notification retries.  No =20
information is provided by firewalls to applications beyond that.  =20
This is quite intentional.

I think firewalls should be as transparent as possible, except when =20
policy requires them to intervene.

In my humble opinion, ALD's primary virtue is that it correctly =20
places the burden on the firewall not to destroy network transparency =20=

unnecessarily.  To that end, it aims to define a way for IPv6 node =20
implementations to provide firewalls with enough information to =20
behave transparently in the face of passive listening applications.  =20
It does not try to inform applications of the state of firewalls in =20
the network.

We all still think applications shouldn't have to care, right?

I also think it's worth noting that any proposal for nodes/=20
applications to communicate with firewalls to solve these sorts of =20
problems will inevitably involve disclosing the addresses of =20
application passive listener endpoints when their users may not be =20
expecting it.  I don't know how to prevent that from happening and =20
still comply with the recommendations described in RFC 4864 and =20
expanded in draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security, but I don't think =20
many participants here think this is a sensible security =20
consideration.  Furthermore, I suspect many network operators will be =20=

very interested in mining the information stream produced by =20
protocols of this class.

This is another virtue of ALD.  It gives operators the potential for =20
some snooping goodness they can't get with current IPv6 =20
implementations, and it does so *without* larding their firewalls =20
down with a lot of extra work trying to inform applications of things =20=

they shouldn't need to know.


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On Nov 19, 2007, at 01:15, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> On 18 nov 2007, at 20:32, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote:
>>
>> Do you think that current nat traversal techniques would not work  
>> properly if multiple levels of nats need to b traversed?
>
> As far as I've been able to deduce, uPnP and NAT-PMP (not IETF  
> work) that are common in consumer CPEs won't work unless there is  
> one NAT and it's on the local LAN. I could be wrong, though.

This is correct.  I know of at least one real application that works  
through one layer of NAT, but not two: the Back To My Mac feature in  
Mac OS X 10.5, which relies on registering wide-area DNS-SD service  
advertisements in the members.mac.com zone for the tunnel endpoints.   
The mDNSResponder agent doesn't manage the UNSAF problem when there  
are multiple levels of NAT between the Mac OS X host and the DNS  
servers.

BTMM can use either NAT-PMP or UPnP IGD.  No other mechanisms are  
supported.


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> 1.  Introduction
> 
>    RFC 4966 published on July 2007 deprecates the NAT-PT tool, the
>    mechanism defined by the IETF to enable communications between IPv4
>    only nodes with IPv6 only nodes, letting the dual-stack approach as
>    the preferred mechanism to enable nodes to be able to communicate
>    with v6 and v4 nodes.  However, there are several reasons why the
>    dual stack approach may not be adequate for a number of scenarios.
>    For once, the dual-stack approach imposes the management of two
>    networks in a site, the v6 one and the v4 one, increasing the costs
>    of using IPv6.


I think that's a very weak argument in the next few years. The vast
majority of deployments will be dual stack routing - can you seriously
imagine doing anything else? If you want to make this argument, it should
surely be made only as a long term consideration.

>    In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>    depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>    addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.  

Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6 capability.

I don't think that changes the technical scenario.

> 3.  Supported application behavior
> 
>    The general purpose of NAT64 type of mechanisms is to enable
>    communication between a v4-only node and a v6-only node.  However,
>    there is wide range of type of communication, when considering how
>    they handle the IP addresses. 

That's true. But are we really aiming to solve all the scenarios
you describe? It seems to me that we probably can't, because
in any case the only safe assumption is that the legacy IPv4 system
is sitting behind a NAPT. And in any case, if we have a translator
with one IPv4 address fronting for 1000 IPv6 hosts, we automatically
inherit *all* the issues of NAPT, including dynamic port mapping
and the need for application level gateways for any address-dependent
applications.

Therefore, is there any point in having any goals that go beyond
"doing no more damage to connectivity than NAPT44 does today"?

In any case I am sure that we will end up with NAPT64, not NAT64.
Port mapping is inevitable.

    Brian


-- 
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On 22 nov 2007, at 6:46, Christian Huitema wrote:

>> Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
>> get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
>> works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
>> will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
>> problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
>> that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
>> IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
>> that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6
>> capability.

> What P2P hosts are we speaking of, exactly? As far as I know, there  
> are very few PC-class hosts that cannot now run some form of IPv6,  
> using a transition technology like Teredo or 6to4. P2P applications  
> are thus very likely to use that.

There are two types of peer-to-peer: the BitTorrent model, where you  
don't really care who you talk to because multiple peers have the same  
resource. As long as there is a reasonable group of dual stack peers  
there's no need for IPv4 and IPv6 peers to communicate. But with the  
VoIP model you need to be able to talk to any particular peer so here  
it's useful to have a way to make IPv6 peers talk to IPv4 peers and  
vice versa.

Also, users could be running services that aren't necessarily peer-to- 
peer applications. For instance, Apple's "back to my mac" or similar.

> I suggest that we limit the scope of the problem to enabling IPv6  
> only hosts to contact legacy IPv4 servers, assuming that these  
> servers in fact have a global IPv4 address. Smaller problems are  
> easier to solve...

Doing that in the requirements phase would be too soon, in my opinion.

If you look at

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-02.txt

section 4, you'll see that providing access from IPv4 clients to IPv6  
services is arguably simpler than the other way around...




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On 2007-11-22 18:46, Christian Huitema wrote:
>>>    In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>>>    depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>>>    addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.
>> Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
>> get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
>> works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
>> will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
>> problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
>> that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
>> IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
>> that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6
>> capability.
> 
> What P2P hosts are we speaking of, exactly? 

Ones that are behind an ISP that not only doesn't support IPv6,
but also has "security" in place that blocks IPv6 tunnels of
all kinds. In this case, a dual stack host has no IPv6 capability.

If that's a null set, I agree with you. But is it?

     Brian

> As far as I know, there are very few PC-class hosts that cannot now run some form of IPv6, using a transition technology like Teredo or 6to4. P2P applications are thus very likely to use that.
> 
> I suggest that we limit the scope of the problem to enabling IPv6 only hosts to contact legacy IPv4 servers, assuming that these servers in fact have a global IPv4 address. Smaller problems are easier to solve...
> 
> -- Christian Huitema
> 
> 




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On 2007-11-23 13:41, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> Ones that are behind an ISP that not only doesn't support IPv6,
>> but also has "security" in place that blocks IPv6 tunnels of
>> all kinds. In this case, a dual stack host has no IPv6 capability.
>>
>> If that's a null set, I agree with you. But is it?
> 
> There certainly are hosts behind such firewalls. But then, firewalls don't just block tunnels. They typically do that to implement a policy. And I believe there is a very large overlap between policies that block tunnels and policies that block P2P applications. The subset of hosts that could do P2P but would not be able to to tunnels is probably very small.

It's my understanding that many p2p applications revert to running over
http when they can't find any kind of layer 3 connectivity. In the case
we're discussing, that would mean http over IPv4. If there's a dual
stack http proxy on the path, that would fix it.

However, I'd like to hear from the SIP community on this point.
How will p2p SIP work in a mixed network?

     Brian




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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:58:33 +1300, Brian E Carpenter

<brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:

> However, I'd like to hear from the SIP community on this point.

> How will p2p SIP work in a mixed network?



https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-ietf-sipping-v6-transition/

chapter 4, in particular:



   Pragmatism dictates that IPv6 user agents undertake the greater

   burden in the transition period.  Since IPv6 user agents are not

   widely deployed yet, it seems appropriate that IPv6 user agents

   obtain IPv4 addresses instead of mandating an upgrade on the

   installed IPv4 base.  Furthermore, IPv6 user agents are expected to

   be dual-stacked and thus also support IPv4, unlike the larger IPv4-

   only user agent base that does not or cannot support IPv6.



   An IPv6 node SHOULD also be able to send and receive media using IPv4

   addresses, but if it cannot, it SHOULD support STUN relay usage [8].

   Such a relay allows the IPv6 node to indirectly send and receive

   media using IPv4.



-- 

RÃ©mi





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On 22/11/2007, at 4:46 PM, Christian Huitema wrote:

>>>   In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>>>   depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>>>   addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.
>>
>> Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
>> get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
>> works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
>> will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
>> problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
>> that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
>> IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
>> that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6
>> capability.
>
> What P2P hosts are we speaking of, exactly? As far as I know, there  
> are very few PC-class hosts that cannot now run some form of IPv6,  
> using a transition technology like Teredo or 6to4. P2P applications  
> are thus very likely to use that.
>
> I suggest that we limit the scope of the problem to enabling IPv6  
> only hosts to contact legacy IPv4 servers, assuming that these  
> servers in fact have a global IPv4 address. Smaller problems are  
> easier to solve...

I'm strongly in favour of Dual Stack for this requirement - again, why  
introduce translation between IPv6 hosts and legacy servers when every  
OS I can think of that supports IPv6 also supports IPv4 through dual  
stack.
My view is that Dual Stack adequately addresses the need for continued  
IPv4 support using existing techniques such as NAPT. After all, if we  
come up with a "translation" protocol for IPv6 to IPv4 then we have  
not absolved ourselves from solving the issue for non-IPv6 hosts. In  
an IPv4 address depleted world, non-IPv6 devices still need to work!  
Why have NAT (in the service provider) for IPv4 hosts, and IPv6-to- 
IPv4 translation for other hosts (likely both existing in the same  
household)? Is this not adding complexity for no obvious business  
benefit?

The only scenario that I can see that we should at least discuss, is a  
day when IPv4 addresses are scarce to the point that one cannot assign  
a server a public v4 address, but we can assign it an IPv6 address. In  
this case an IPv6 host can communicate with the IPv6 server without  
issue, but an IPv4 client cannot. I have always wondered why we are so  
fascinated with NAT64 instead of the reverse, NAT46? Even if we did  
have NAT64 there is still a form of NAPT not dissimilar to today's  
IPv4 implementations, so why not just use NAPT in the service provider  
with Dual Stack?

I'm all for limiting the scope as suggested, but I would like to table  
the issue of a legacy IPv4 host wishing to connect to an server that  
has a valid IPv6 address. Ie, an unsolicited inbound session from the  
IPv4 "client" to an IPv6 "server".

Does anyone consider this a reasonable scenario to consider?

-David




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On 23 nov 2007, at 12:27, David Miles wrote:

> again, why introduce translation between IPv6 hosts and legacy  
> servers when every OS I can think of that supports IPv6 also  
> supports IPv4 through dual stack.

Because that way operators need to keep running two versions of IP  
side by side. since everything is reachable over IPv4 anyway, this  
provides essentially zero benefit over the situation where you just  
have IPv4. This means people won't deploy IPv6 but will stick with  
IPv4 even when the layers of NAT are piled on.

With IPv6+NAT-PT on the other hand, the network can be IPv6-only which  
has a number of benefits over an IPv4 network, especially when IPv4  
addresses are scarce.

> After all, if we come up with a "translation" protocol for IPv6 to  
> IPv4 then we have not absolved ourselves from solving the issue for  
> non-IPv6 hosts.

Which issue?

> In an IPv4 address depleted world, non-IPv6 devices still need to  
> work!

They do, you just can't add new ones.

> The only scenario that I can see that we should at least discuss, is  
> a day when IPv4 addresses are scarce to the point that one cannot  
> assign a server a public v4 address, but we can assign it an IPv6  
> address. In this case an IPv6 host can communicate with the IPv6  
> server without issue, but an IPv4 client cannot. I have always  
> wondered why we are so fascinated with NAT64 instead of the reverse,  
> NAT46?

See section 4 of

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-02.txt




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Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> wrote:

> On 23 nov 2007, at 12:27, David Miles wrote:
> 
> > again, why introduce translation between IPv6 hosts and legacy  
> > servers when every OS I can think of that supports IPv6 also  
> > supports IPv4 through dual stack.
> 
> Because that way operators need to keep running two versions of IP  
> side by side. since everything is reachable over IPv4 anyway, this  
> provides essentially zero benefit over the situation where you just  
> have IPv4. This means people won't deploy IPv6 but will stick with  
> IPv4 even when the layers of NAT are piled on.

I think I'm getting convinced that your "modified NAT-PT" approach
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-02.txt
is essentially the way to go.

My only concern is that there is not much time left until IPv4 address
depletion will start causing real problems, and we don't even have a
"finished" RFC for "modified NAT-PT" yet.

How do you see the timeline with regard to getting more feedback on
this I-D, publishing the RFC, implementation and deployment?

Greetings,
Norbert.


-- 
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On 24/11/2007, at 12:44 AM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

> On 23 nov 2007, at 12:27, David Miles wrote:
>
>> again, why introduce translation between IPv6 hosts and legacy  
>> servers when every OS I can think of that supports IPv6 also  
>> supports IPv4 through dual stack.
>
> Because that way operators need to keep running two versions of IP  
> side by side. since everything is reachable over IPv4 anyway, this  
> provides essentially zero benefit over the situation where you just  
> have IPv4. This means people won't deploy IPv6 but will stick with  
> IPv4 even when the layers of NAT are piled on.
>
> With IPv6+NAT-PT on the other hand, the network can be IPv6-only  
> which has a number of benefits over an IPv4 network, especially when  
> IPv4 addresses are scarce.

I disagree. This approach would require every host within the service  
provider's network to support IPv6. Further, I see a driver for IPv6  
as described below - NAT breaks end-to-end connectivity, IPv6 provides  
an alternative.
>
>
>> After all, if we come up with a "translation" protocol for IPv6 to  
>> IPv4 then we have not absolved ourselves from solving the issue for  
>> non-IPv6 hosts.
>
> Which issue?

What will you do with those devices that do not support IPv6?
>
>
>> In an IPv4 address depleted world, non-IPv6 devices still need to  
>> work!
>
> They do, you just can't add new ones.

I'm somewhat confused - are you suggesting the operator runs two  
versions of IP side by side?

-d




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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : Teredo Security Concerns
	Author(s)       : J. Hoagland, S. Krishnan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-teredo-security-concerns-01.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2007-11-16

Additional security concerns with Teredo are documented, beyond what
is in RFC 4380.  This is based on an independent analysis of Teredo's
security implications.  The primary intent of this document is to
raise the awareness regarding the security issues in Teredo as
deployed today.

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This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : IPv6 Implications for Network Scanning
	Author(s)       : T. Chown
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The much larger default 64-bit subnet address space of IPv6 should in
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Hi,

On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 11:35:16AM +1100, David Miles wrote:
> I'm somewhat confused - are you suggesting the operator runs two  
> versions of IP side by side?

For the ISPs (as "Internet Operators") this is what I would expect to
happen.

In the core network, v4+v6 in parallel is not hard.

Where it starts to cause more work is things like "getting firewall rules
in sync" and such - but for the basic packet forwarding, this is really not
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On 23 nov 2007, at 16:51, Norbert Bollow wrote:

> I think I'm getting convinced that your "modified NAT-PT" approach
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-02.txt
> is essentially the way to go.

> My only concern is that there is not much time left until IPv4 address
> depletion will start causing real problems, and we don't even have a
> "finished" RFC for "modified NAT-PT" yet.

> How do you see the timeline with regard to getting more feedback on
> this I-D, publishing the RFC, implementation and deployment?

That's a good question. I haven't paid attention to any instances of  
the IETF moving fast with a protocol RFC, so I can pretty much only  
guess. But I'd say it would take about a year to reach consensus and a  
stable specification if there is sufficient interest, except that  
carving out a block of IPv4 space for the IPv4-to-IPv6 part could take  
more time.

As for implementations: the IPv4-to-IPv6 part requires some changes to  
existing translators. The IPv6-to-IPv4 part probably doesn't, but I'm  
not completely sure about that. On the (IPv6) host side, the IPv4-to- 
IPv6 part can work for the most part without changes. But the IPv6-to- 
IPv4 part requires changes fairly deep inside the TCP/IP stack, which  
will probably take a considerable amount of time to roll out on  
operating systems like Windows and Mac OS even if Microsoft and Apple  
give this some priority. The problem here is that you don't get much  
benefit until both translators are deployed in the network and  
operating systems are modified to make use of them.

Alternatively, individual ISPs could roll out translators in their  
network and provide customers with CPEs that perform IPv4-to-IPv6  
translation as outlined in section 5 of the draft. These CPEs only  
have to implement SIIT without the NAT part plus some address  
management, so implementing that wouldn't have to take forever. The  
fact that both ends are under the control of the same entity will  
certainly help get things off the ground faster.

I would guess it's reasonably possible (but not a given) to have  
something on the market in 2 years




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El 22/11/2007, a las 3:46, Brian E Carpenter escribi=F3:

> I guess we're going to discuss this draft on only
> one list? This one?
>
>> 1.  Introduction
>>    RFC 4966 published on July 2007 deprecates the NAT-PT tool, the
>>    mechanism defined by the IETF to enable communications between =20
>> IPv4
>>    only nodes with IPv6 only nodes, letting the dual-stack =20
>> approach as
>>    the preferred mechanism to enable nodes to be able to communicate
>>    with v6 and v4 nodes.  However, there are several reasons why the
>>    dual stack approach may not be adequate for a number of scenarios.
>>    For once, the dual-stack approach imposes the management of two
>>    networks in a site, the v6 one and the v4 one, increasing the =20
>> costs
>>    of using IPv6.
>
>
> I think that's a very weak argument in the next few years. The vast
> majority of deployments will be dual stack routing - can you seriously
> imagine doing anything else? If you want to make this argument, it =20
> should
> surely be made only as a long term consideration.
>

but if you hav to do v4, why would you even bother doing v6 at all? =20
It is merely an additional cost

>>    In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>>    depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>>    addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.
>
> Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
> get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
> works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
> will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
> problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
> that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
> IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
> that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6 =20
> capability.
>
> I don't think that changes the technical scenario.
>
>> 3.  Supported application behavior
>>    The general purpose of NAT64 type of mechanisms is to enable
>>    communication between a v4-only node and a v6-only node.  However,
>>    there is wide range of type of communication, when considering how
>>    they handle the IP addresses.
>
> That's true. But are we really aiming to solve all the scenarios
> you describe? It seems to me that we probably can't, because
> in any case the only safe assumption is that the legacy IPv4 system
> is sitting behind a NAPT. And in any case, if we have a translator
> with one IPv4 address fronting for 1000 IPv6 hosts, we automatically
> inherit *all* the issues of NAPT, including dynamic port mapping
> and the need for application level gateways for any address-dependent
> applications.
but current nat traversal mechanisms enable some of these forms of =20
communication even through nats, right?

maybe the requirement should be that we support all the application =20
behavours that are currently supported by v4 nat traversal =20
techniques, (as oposed to just support the application behaviours =20
supported by v4 nats)

regards, marcelo


>
> Therefore, is there any point in having any goals that go beyond
> "doing no more damage to connectivity than NAPT44 does today"?
>
> In any case I am sure that we will end up with NAPT64, not NAT64.
> Port mapping is inevitable.
>
>    Brian





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El 22/11/2007, a las 6:46, Christian Huitema escribi=F3:

>>>    In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>>>    depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>>>    addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.
>>
>> Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
>> get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
>> works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
>> will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
>> problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
>> that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
>> IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
>> that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6
>> capability.
>
> What P2P hosts are we speaking of, exactly? As far as I know, there =20=

> are very few PC-class hosts that cannot now run some form of IPv6, =20
> using a transition technology like Teredo or 6to4. P2P applications =20=

> are thus very likely to use that.
>
> I suggest that we limit the scope of the problem to enabling IPv6 =20
> only hosts to contact legacy IPv4 servers, assuming that these =20
> servers in fact have a global IPv4 address. Smaller problems are =20
> easier to solve...

but this is what basic NAT-PT (FC 2766) does and the actual =20
limitations why it was moved to historic don't apply to the basic NAT-=20=

PT but to the extended scenario, when it supports communications from =20=

v4 to v6...

so, one option would be to just cut the basic nat pt of RFC 2766 and =20
just standarize that part (again)

Regards, marcelo


>
> -- Christian Huitema
>
>





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On 24 nov 2007, at 1:35, David Miles wrote:

>>> After all, if we come up with a "translation" protocol for IPv6 to  
>>> IPv4 then we have not absolved ourselves from solving the issue  
>>> for non-IPv6 hosts.

>> Which issue?

> What will you do with those devices that do not support IPv6?

Today, the assumption is that all services are available over IPv4. I  
expect this situation to continue for some time, probably even one or  
two years beyond the moment that the first IPv4 address request must  
go unsatisfied because of the depletion. During that time, IPv4-only  
hosts shouldn't have any problems, except of course those introduced  
by measures to conserve IPv4 addresses such as NAT.

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some over IPv6, or the assumption will be that all services are  
availble over IPv6. At that point, IPv4 hosts will need to use  
additional mechanisms but they'll still probably have trouble reaching  
certain services. This is a natural consequence of not adopting new  
technologies within a reasonable timeframe, and I don't think the IETF  
should go out of its way to create workarounds for this.

>>> In an IPv4 address depleted world, non-IPv6 devices still need to  
>>> work!

>> They do, you just can't add new ones.

> I'm somewhat confused - are you suggesting the operator runs two  
> versions of IP side by side?

Every ISP that is in business today obviously runs IPv4. In my  
opinion, they should also be running IPv6 within the next three years.  
So that would be a "yes". However, if I were to build an enterprise  
network, I would certainly see if I could limit IPv4 to the places  
where the services run and only do IPv6 in the access part. Running  
just IPv6 is simpler because addressing issues pretty much go away:  
there is no need for routes running OSPF etc to have addresses in the  
same IP subnet. You have more subnets than VLANs, simply encode the  
VLAN ID in the subnet bits and you've numbered all your IP subnets.  
Each of those is a /64 so they can all hold as many hosts as you can  
cram into them, no need to think about how large to make a subnet.  
With EUI-64 addressesing, you don't have to keep track of which router  
holds the .1 address, which holds the .2 address and so on.




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On 24 nov 2007, at 1:35, David Miles wrote:

>>> After all, if we come up with a "translation" protocol for IPv6 to  
>>> IPv4 then we have not absolved ourselves from solving the issue  
>>> for non-IPv6 hosts.

>> Which issue?

> What will you do with those devices that do not support IPv6?

Today, the assumption is that all services are available over IPv4. I  
expect this situation to continue for some time, probably even one or  
two years beyond the moment that the first IPv4 address request must  
go unsatisfied because of the depletion. During that time, IPv4-only  
hosts shouldn't have any problems, except of course those introduced  
by measures to conserve IPv4 addresses such as NAT.

At some point, either some services will be available over IPv4 and  
some over IPv6, or the assumption will be that all services are  
availble over IPv6. At that point, IPv4 hosts will need to use  
additional mechanisms but they'll still probably have trouble reaching  
certain services. This is a natural consequence of not adopting new  
technologies within a reasonable timeframe, and I don't think the IETF  
should go out of its way to create workarounds for this.

>>> In an IPv4 address depleted world, non-IPv6 devices still need to  
>>> work!

>> They do, you just can't add new ones.

> I'm somewhat confused - are you suggesting the operator runs two  
> versions of IP side by side?

Every ISP that is in business today obviously runs IPv4. In my  
opinion, they should also be running IPv6 within the next three years.  
So that would be a "yes". However, if I were to build an enterprise  
network, I would certainly see if I could limit IPv4 to the places  
where the services run and only do IPv6 in the access part. Running  
just IPv6 is simpler because addressing issues pretty much go away:  
there is no need for routes running OSPF etc to have addresses in the  
same IP subnet. You have more subnets than VLANs, simply encode the  
VLAN ID in the subnet bits and you've numbered all your IP subnets.  
Each of those is a /64 so they can all hold as many hosts as you can  
cram into them, no need to think about how large to make a subnet.  
With EUI-64 addressesing, you don't have to keep track of which router  
holds the .1 address, which holds the .2 address and so on.




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Currently proposed solutions for IPv6-only to IPv4-only connectivity
include some specific DNS processing, at the application layer, outside
the DNS itself : DNS-ALGs in various NAT-PTs; duplicated DNS queries
(IPv6 and IPv4) in IPv6-capable applications and/or stacks).

The result is significant complexity (with timers in particular),
additional traffic across the network, and potential operational
problems with DNS ALGs.

Also, one can see on the Web recommendations that IPv6 capable
applications, Firefox in particular, should DISABLE IPv6 (!!!).
The reason is that DNS queries to reach IPv4-only hosts are in two steps
instead of one : one for an IPv6 address, failing most of the time, and,
only then, one for an IPv4 address, succeeding most of the time.

All this is UNFORTUNATE but, being avoidable as shown below, IMHO SHOULD BE
AVOIDED in the future).

For this, let's specify that a next release of the DNS sotware (BIND and
others) will have to include a DNS-4to6 AUTOMATIC MAPPING.
With it, an IPv6 RR is automatically created, within the DNS, for each
existing IPv4 RR, using for this the *mapped address format* of RFC 2373.
There is no scalability issue, this being a "one-time" processing.
Deployment of this DNS automatic mapping is simply the deployment of a
new release of the DNS software (a fairly wellknown process).

Then :
- IPv6-only applications on dual stacks will work using IPv4 transport
without knowing about it.(The answer to their IPv6 request is in fact an
IPv4 address, in the format recognized by the lower layer dual stack to sel=
ect IPv4 transport).
- IPv4-IPv6 applications will no longer need a second DNS query to reach
IPv4-only hosts.

This seems to me as simple and effective as a Columbus egg.
If this is wrong, please describe why.
And if this is right, how could this proceed in Vancouver? (I cannot be
there).

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Marcelo,

On 2007-11-25 08:12, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote:
>=20
> El 22/11/2007, a las 3:46, Brian E Carpenter escribi=C3=B3:
>=20
>> I guess we're going to discuss this draft on only
>> one list? This one?
>>
>>> 1.  Introduction
>>>    RFC 4966 published on July 2007 deprecates the NAT-PT tool, the
>>>    mechanism defined by the IETF to enable communications between IPv=
4
>>>    only nodes with IPv6 only nodes, letting the dual-stack approach a=
s
>>>    the preferred mechanism to enable nodes to be able to communicate
>>>    with v6 and v4 nodes.  However, there are several reasons why the
>>>    dual stack approach may not be adequate for a number of scenarios.=

>>>    For once, the dual-stack approach imposes the management of two
>>>    networks in a site, the v6 one and the v4 one, increasing the cost=
s
>>>    of using IPv6.
>>
>>
>> I think that's a very weak argument in the next few years. The vast
>> majority of deployments will be dual stack routing - can you seriously=

>> imagine doing anything else? If you want to make this argument, it sho=
uld
>> surely be made only as a long term consideration.
>>
>=20
> but if you hav to do v4, why would you even bother doing v6 at all? It =

> is merely an additional cost

When an ISP can no longer assign IPv4 addresses to new customers, it will=

undoubtedly run v4 and v6 in coexistence to service old and new customers=

respectively. At that point it will certainly be running major services
like email, http (proxy) and VoIP in dual stack mode - the question is ho=
w
to deal with services that aren't naturally dual stacked.

>=20
>>>    In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>>>    depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>>>    addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.
>>
>> Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
>> get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
>> works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
>> will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
>> problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
>> that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
>> IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
>> that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6 capabili=
ty.
>>
>> I don't think that changes the technical scenario.
>>
>>> 3.  Supported application behavior
>>>    The general purpose of NAT64 type of mechanisms is to enable
>>>    communication between a v4-only node and a v6-only node.  However,=

>>>    there is wide range of type of communication, when considering how=

>>>    they handle the IP addresses.
>>
>> That's true. But are we really aiming to solve all the scenarios
>> you describe? It seems to me that we probably can't, because
>> in any case the only safe assumption is that the legacy IPv4 system
>> is sitting behind a NAPT. And in any case, if we have a translator
>> with one IPv4 address fronting for 1000 IPv6 hosts, we automatically
>> inherit *all* the issues of NAPT, including dynamic port mapping
>> and the need for application level gateways for any address-dependent
>> applications.
> but current nat traversal mechanisms enable some of these forms of=20
> communication even through nats, right?
>=20
> maybe the requirement should be that we support all the application=20
> behavours that are currently supported by v4 nat traversal techniques, =

> (as oposed to just support the application behaviours supported by v4 n=
ats)

Yes. It's another "first do no harm" requirement.

     Brian

>>
>> Therefore, is there any point in having any goals that go beyond
>> "doing no more damage to connectivity than NAPT44 does today"?
>>
>> In any case I am sure that we will end up with NAPT64, not NAT64.
>> Port mapping is inevitable.
>>
>>    Brian
>=20
>=20





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On 2007-11-24 00:27, David Miles wrote:
> 
> On 22/11/2007, at 4:46 PM, Christian Huitema wrote:
> 
>>>>   In addition, as IPv4 public address space is
>>>>   depleted, it will no longer possible to access to IPv4 public
>>>>   addresses, making dual stack nodes even less attractive.
>>>
>>> Well, if I was implementing a new service, I would work very hard to
>>> get a public IPv4 address for it, so I don't think this argument
>>> works for servers and services for many years to come. It clearly
>>> will apply to client systems much sooner. So I'd rather see the
>>> problem expressed as: New populations of clients (and p2p hosts)
>>> that have no public IPv4 address, but do have plentiful public
>>> IPv6 addresses, which need to contact legacy servers (and p2p hosts)
>>> that have a public IPv4 address (possibly NATted) but no IPv6
>>> capability.
>>
>> What P2P hosts are we speaking of, exactly? As far as I know, there 
>> are very few PC-class hosts that cannot now run some form of IPv6, 
>> using a transition technology like Teredo or 6to4. P2P applications 
>> are thus very likely to use that.
>>
>> I suggest that we limit the scope of the problem to enabling IPv6 only 
>> hosts to contact legacy IPv4 servers, assuming that these servers in 
>> fact have a global IPv4 address. Smaller problems are easier to solve...
> 
> I'm strongly in favour of Dual Stack for this requirement - again, why 
> introduce translation between IPv6 hosts and legacy servers when every 
> OS I can think of that supports IPv6 also supports IPv4 through dual stack.

Because, as already noted, some IPv6-capable hosts (whether servers or
P2P participants) may find themselves stuck in an IPv4-only world. I'd
guess that many Vista hosts are in this situation today.

> My view is that Dual Stack adequately addresses the need for continued 
> IPv4 support using existing techniques such as NAPT. After all, if we 
> come up with a "translation" protocol for IPv6 to IPv4 then we have not 
> absolved ourselves from solving the issue for non-IPv6 hosts. In an IPv4 
> address depleted world, non-IPv6 devices still need to work! Why have 
> NAT (in the service provider) for IPv4 hosts, and IPv6-to-IPv4 
> translation for other hosts (likely both existing in the same 
> household)? Is this not adding complexity for no obvious business benefit?
> 
> The only scenario that I can see that we should at least discuss, is a 
> day when IPv4 addresses are scarce to the point that one cannot assign a 
> server a public v4 address, but we can assign it an IPv6 address. In 
> this case an IPv6 host can communicate with the IPv6 server without 
> issue, but an IPv4 client cannot. I have always wondered why we are so 
> fascinated with NAT64 instead of the reverse, NAT46? Even if we did have 
> NAT64 there is still a form of NAPT not dissimilar to today's IPv4 
> implementations, so why not just use NAPT in the service provider with 
> Dual Stack?
> 
> I'm all for limiting the scope as suggested, but I would like to table 
> the issue of a legacy IPv4 host wishing to connect to an server that has 
> a valid IPv6 address. Ie, an unsolicited inbound session from the IPv4 
> "client" to an IPv6 "server".
> 
> Does anyone consider this a reasonable scenario to consider?

Absolutely, that is the inbound scenario in the Shanti draft,
for example.

    Brian




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On 11/25/07, Christian Huitema <huitema@windows.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > For this, let's specify that a next release of the DNS sotware (BIND and
> > others) will have to include a DNS-4to6 AUTOMATIC MAPPING.
> > With it, an IPv6 RR is automatically created, within the DNS, for each
> > existing IPv4 RR, using for this the *mapped address format* of RFC
> > 2373.
>
> You can achieve pretty much the same result by placing the A records in the additional section of responses to AAAA queries, without creating a need for mapped addresses. This could be done very simply, but changing DNS implementations for IPv6 capable servers will only solve part of the operational problems encountered today.
>
> The worst case scenario happens when the target domain's server does not know about IPv6, and treat arrival of AAAA requests as some kind of error. Poorly implemented error paths lead can lead to bad behavior. For example, some servers responded with "no such name" instead of "no such record", leading clients to mistakenly abort HTTP queries. This is a much worse problem than simply having to repeat a query!
>
> These operational problems are direct consequences of the current IETF recommendation to always ask first for the AAAA record if the client is IPv6 capable. This is a very aggressive stance, designed to maximize the occurrence of IPv6 connections. If we wanted to smooth transition, we could take a softer stance, e.g. let dual-stack hosts only send AAAA queries if it can reasonably presume that the target server is IPv6 capable.


Out of curiosity: how would a machine determine what it can
"reasonably presume" to be IPv6 capable?  Some locally administrated
policy directives for the host's resolver?

Separately: I wonder if there was any discussion of creating a DNS rr
query type with the essential meaning "A*", i.e. give me A records,
AAAA, A6 (while they were being tried), hence A*.  (If there already
is such a thing I apologize profusely for my ignorance.)  The host or
application can then decide what to do with the returned results
according to local policy as implemented/implementable by the local
resolver.  Of course the same could be done with a single packet
exchange if the server could be relied upon to place extra records of
the non-queried-for type in the response, but saying that a
multiple-address-family-capable machine makes an A* query (instead of
AAAA) codifies the behaviour.  Random thought, I know.

-Erik




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On 26 nov 2007, at 6:40, Erik Kline wrote:

>>> For this, let's specify that a next release of the DNS sotware  
>>> (BIND and
>>> others) will have to include a DNS-4to6 AUTOMATIC MAPPING.
>>> With it, an IPv6 RR is automatically created, within the DNS, for  
>>> each
>>> existing IPv4 RR, using for this the *mapped address format* of RFC
>>> 2373.

The question is: do we really have a problem?

Yes, people recommend turning off IPv6 on forums here and there, but  
this used to be because there were some DNS servers out there that  
would reply with an error when queried for AAAA records. That problem  
has been solved 99.9%, unless I'm mistaken. Also, apparently turning  
off IPv6 helps agains all kinds of problems that are provably IPv6- 
unrelated.

I think any effort would be better spent by making sure OSes don't  
send AAAA queries when there is no IPv6 connectivity.

>> You can achieve pretty much the same result by placing the A  
>> records in the additional section of responses to AAAA queries,  
>> without creating a need for mapped addresses. This could be done  
>> very simply, but changing DNS implementations for IPv6 capable  
>> servers will only solve part of the operational problems  
>> encountered today.

Right.

>> These operational problems are direct consequences of the current  
>> IETF recommendation to always ask first for the AAAA record if the  
>> client is IPv6 capable. This is a very aggressive stance, designed  
>> to maximize the occurrence of IPv6 connections. If we wanted to  
>> smooth transition, we could take a softer stance, e.g. let dual- 
>> stack hosts only send AAAA queries if it can reasonably presume  
>> that the target server is IPv6 capable.

> Out of curiosity: how would a machine determine what it can
> "reasonably presume" to be IPv6 capable?  Some locally administrated
> policy directives for the host's resolver?

Indeed. There is no way to know that without asking for AAAA records.

The problem with implementing new features that aren't actually used  
(which is what happens if you prefer A records - something Windows  
users can do manually using the policy table, by the way) is that over  
time broken behavior grows and then when usage finally occurs it  
doesn't work. Examples:

- HTTP pipelining
- ECN bits
- path MTU discovery

And so on.

If people don't want to use IPv6 they should either disable the  
protocol or set up an appropriate RFC 3484 policy table. If IPv6  
connectivity is available, the only reasonable thing to do is prefer  
that by default.
>
> Separately: I wonder if there was any discussion of creating a DNS rr
> query type with the essential meaning "A*", i.e. give me A records,
> AAAA, A6 (while they were being tried), hence A*.

There already is a * query type but I gather that trouble with that is  
that it won't go out and make sure that copies of all possible records  
are available, if there is something in the cache you get that.

The problem with a new query type is that you could end up asking for:

A*
AAAA
A

Which takes longer than:

AAAA
A

But again: do we really have a problem? The first query can take some  
time because the delegation tree must be traversed at least partially,  
but after that the following query(ies) can go directly to the  
authorative server so the delay is minimal.




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I had not considered the example of the enterprise where what you  
describe makes a lot of sense.

 From a carrier perspective once we move to dual-stack it seems  
unlikely that we would move towards an alternative for v4 (be it NAT64  
or other). I suspect that once dual-stack has been adopted a carrier  
would be reluctant to change as there is minimal (financial) effort.  
In the enterprise space it would seem reasonable to do as you suggest,  
to employ NAT64 given the majority of the applications would be v6- 
enabled.

This leaves the question of NAT46 and what role it should play in a  
transition? Once we pass the point of v4/v6 equilibrium are there  
cases where legacy IPv4 devices may wish to access resources that can  
only support unsolicited inbound connections over IPv6 (servers). The  
alternative to use a public IPv4 address may not be possible if v4 is  
in short supply.

As always adoption of technology will be driven by three related  
attributes: cost, complexity and benefit (or revenue for a carrier).  
For a new network who's applications can be mostly IPv6 (and where OS  
support a v6-only approach) it may make sense to avoid IPv4  
completely. For a network which supports applications that are  
predominately IPv4 a change to IPv6 with translation would be  
difficult to justify, and I'd think we are more likely to see a dual- 
stack approach.

Regards,

-David


On 25/11/2007, at 8:54 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:

> On 24 nov 2007, at 1:35, David Miles wrote:
>
>>>> After all, if we come up with a "translation" protocol for IPv6  
>>>> to IPv4 then we have not absolved ourselves from solving the  
>>>> issue for non-IPv6 hosts.
>
>>> Which issue?
>
>> What will you do with those devices that do not support IPv6?
>
> Today, the assumption is that all services are available over IPv4.  
> I expect this situation to continue for some time, probably even one  
> or two years beyond the moment that the first IPv4 address request  
> must go unsatisfied because of the depletion. During that time, IPv4- 
> only hosts shouldn't have any problems, except of course those  
> introduced by measures to conserve IPv4 addresses such as NAT.
>
> At some point, either some services will be available over IPv4 and  
> some over IPv6, or the assumption will be that all services are  
> availble over IPv6. At that point, IPv4 hosts will need to use  
> additional mechanisms but they'll still probably have trouble  
> reaching certain services. This is a natural consequence of not  
> adopting new technologies within a reasonable timeframe, and I don't  
> think the IETF should go out of its way to create workarounds for  
> this.
>
>>>> In an IPv4 address depleted world, non-IPv6 devices still need to  
>>>> work!
>
>>> They do, you just can't add new ones.
>
>> I'm somewhat confused - are you suggesting the operator runs two  
>> versions of IP side by side?
>
> Every ISP that is in business today obviously runs IPv4. In my  
> opinion, they should also be running IPv6 within the next three  
> years. So that would be a "yes". However, if I were to build an  
> enterprise network, I would certainly see if I could limit IPv4 to  
> the places where the services run and only do IPv6 in the access  
> part. Running just IPv6 is simpler because addressing issues pretty  
> much go away: there is no need for routes running OSPF etc to have  
> addresses in the same IP subnet. You have more subnets than VLANs,  
> simply encode the VLAN ID in the subnet bits and you've numbered all  
> your IP subnets. Each of those is a /64 so they can all hold as many  
> hosts as you can cram into them, no need to think about how large to  
> make a subnet. With EUI-64 addressesing, you don't have to keep  
> track of which router holds the .1 address, which holds the .2  
> address and so on.
>





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Christian Huitema wrote :
> > For this, let's specify that a next release of the DNS sotware (BIND an=
d
> > others) will have to include a DNS-4to6 AUTOMATIC MAPPING.
> > With it, an IPv6 RR is automatically created, within the DNS, for each
> > existing IPv4 RR, using for this the *mapped address format* of RFC
> > 2373.

In my understanding, the solution I propose has the following advantages, c=
ompared to your alternative:
 -  It lets IPv6 only applications to be "really" IPv6-only, and yet to be =
able to use IPv4 transport if they are in a host having dual stack transpor=
t.
 -  Rather than"creating a need for mapped addresses", my solution is simpl=
y an application of RFC 2553 section 3.7 ("Compatibility with Ipv4 nodes").
 -  It requires no change of any protocol (the DNS response format remains =
as is).
 -  It requires no change in host software.


> You can achieve pretty much the same result by placing the A records in t=
he additional section of responses to AAAA queries, without creating a need=
 for mapped addresses. This could be done very simply, but changing DNS imp=
lementations for IPv6 capable servers will only solve part of the operation=
al problems encountered today.

I suppose you are not suggesting that existence of other problems, even if =
they are worse, would justify not to make IPv6-only applications possible.
IMO, bugged DNS servers have to be fixed (otherwise standards lose their po=
wer).
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> The worst case scenario happens when the target domain's server does not =
know about IPv6, and treat arrival of AAAA requests as some kind of error. =
Poorly implemented error paths lead can lead to bad behavior. For example, =
some servers responded with "no such name" instead of "no such record", lea=
ding clients to mistakenly abort HTTP queries. This is a much worse problem=
 than simply having to repeat a query!
>=20
> These operational problems are direct consequences of the current IETF re=
commendation to always ask first for the AAAA record if the client is IPv6 =
capable. This is a very aggressive stance, designed to maximize the occurre=
nce of IPv6 connections. If we wanted to smooth transition, we could take a=
 softer stance, e.g. let dual-stack hosts only send AAAA queries if it can =
reasonably presume that the target server is IPv6 capable.

The "current IETF recommendation" seems to me the "right one".
It favors a return to real End-to-End operation, using IPv6, while IPv4-add=
ress shortage has led to wide-spread NAT traversal.
As such it can be seen as favoring progress toward the paradise of a "simpl=
e again Internet".

Regards.

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IPv6 Operations will meet twice during IETF 70, once for our normal  
discussions, and once to discuss the status of the IPv4-IPv6  
transition. This is the proposed agenda.


IPv6 Operations "normal" meeting:
Monday, 3 December, 3:20 PM

1. Opening                                             5 min
    - Agenda approval

2. Document status                                    30 mins

    - draft-ietf-v6ops-802-16-deployment-scenarios-04
    - draft-ietf-v6ops-scanning-implications-04
    - draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-07
    - draft-ietf-v6ops-addr-select-ps-02
    - draft-ietf-v6ops-addr-select-req-04
    - draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3330-for-ipv6-03
    - draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-00
	
3. draft-chown-v6ops-rogue-ra-00                      20 mins

4. draft-vandevelde-v6ops-ra-guard-00                 20 mins

5. draft-krishnan-v6ops-teredo-update-00.txt and      20 mins
    draft-ietf-v6ops-teredo-security-concerns-01



IPv6 Transition discussion:
Thursday 6 December, 1:00 PM

1. Opening                                            10 mins
     - Agenda Bashing
     - Introductory remarks

2. Requirements
     - Jordi Palet                                     10 mins
       current IPv6 volume (RIPE talk redux)
     - Marcello Bagnulo                                10 mins
       draft-bagnulo-v6ops-6man-nat64-pb-statement
     - Alain Durand                                    10 mins
       draft-durand-v6ops-natv4v6v4
     - Elwyn Davies                                    10 mins
       requirements based on RFC 4966

3. Possible solutions
     - Iljitsch van Beijnum                            20 mins
        draft-van-beijnum-modified-nat-pt-02.txt
        draft-carpenter-shanti-01.txt

4. Summary of discussion                              10 mins
    Fred Baker

5. AD-led discussion of the problems and possible solutions
    Jari Arkko, Ron Bonica

Objective: v6ops to produce combined document describing requirements  
for a solution.






current documents:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bagnulo-v6ops-6man-nat64-pb-statement
   "IPv6 - IPv4 Translators (NAT64) - Problem Statement and  
Analysis", Marcelo
   Bagnulo, 13-Nov-07, <draft-bagnulo-v6ops-6man-nat64-pb- 
statement-00.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chown-v6ops-rogue-ra
   "Rogue IPv6 Router Advertisement Problem Statement", Tim Chown,  
Stig Venaas,
   12-Nov-07, <draft-chown-v6ops-rogue-ra-00.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-durand-v6ops-natv4v6v4
   "Non dual-stack IPv6 deployments for broadband providers", Alain  
Durand,
   13-Nov-07, <draft-durand-v6ops-natv4v6v4-00.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon
   "IPv6 Unicast Address Assignment Considerations", Gunter Van de  
Velde, Chip
   Popoviciu, Tim Chown, Olaf Bonness, Christian Hahn, 7-Nov-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon-07.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-addr-select-ps
   "Problem Statement of Default Address Selection in Multi-prefix  
Environment:
   Operational Issues of RFC3484 Default Rules", Arifumi Matsumoto,  
12-Oct-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-addr-select-ps-02.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-addr-select-req
   "Requirements for address selection mechanisms", Arifumi  
Matsumoto, 8-Nov-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-addr-select-req-04.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3330-for-ipv6
   "Special-Use IPv6 Addresses", Marc Blanchet, 5-Oct-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-rfc3330-for-ipv6-03.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-scanning-implications
   "IPv6 Implications for Network Scanning", Tim Chown, 19-Nov-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-scanning-implications-04.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-teredo-security-concerns
   "Teredo Security Concerns", James Hoagland, Suresh Krishnan, 16- 
Nov-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-teredo-security-concerns-01.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-v6ops-teredo-update
   "Teredo Security Updates", Suresh Krishnan, James Hoagland, 16- 
Nov-07,
   <draft-krishnan-v6ops-teredo-update-01.txt>

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vandevelde-v6ops-ra-guard
   "IPv6 RA-Guard", Gunter Van de Velde, Eric Levy-Abegnoli, Chip  
Popoviciu,
   Janos Mohacsi, 12-Nov-07, <draft-vandevelde-v6ops-ra-guard-00.txt>



Older documents:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arifumi-v6ops-addr-select-sol
   "Solution approaches for address-selection problems", Arifumi  
Matsumoto,
   15-Jun-07, <draft-arifumi-v6ops-addr-select-sol-00.txt>
	moved to 6man

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-baker-v6ops-b2b-private-routing
   "Business to Business Private Routing", Fred Baker, 3-Jul-07,
   <draft-baker-v6ops-b2b-private-routing-00.txt>
	dead, at least for the moment

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-blanchet-v6ops-tunnelbroker-tsp
   "IPv6 Tunnel Broker with the Tunnel Setup Protocol (TSP)", Florent  
Parent,
   Marc Blanchet, 2-Sep-05, <draft-blanchet-v6ops-tunnelbroker- 
tsp-03.txt>
	transition

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoagland-v6ops-teredosecconcerns
   "Teredo Security Concerns Beyond What Is In RFC 4380", Suresh  
Krishnan, James
   Hoagland, 12-Jul-07, <draft-hoagland-v6ops-teredosecconcerns-01.txt>
	to be discussed

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-802-16-deployment-scenarios
   "IPv6 Deployment Scenarios in 802.16 Networks", Myung-Ki Shin, 27- 
Apr-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-802-16-deployment-scenarios-04.txt>
	Ron's in-box

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security
   "Recommended Simple Security Capabilities in Customer Premises  
Equipment for
   Providing Residential IPv6 Internet Service", James Woodyatt, 15- 
Jun-07,
   <draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-00.txt>
	not clear what the state is

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-massar-v6ops-heartbeat
   "SixXS Heartbeat Protocol", Jeroen Massar, 6-Jun-05,
   <draft-massar-v6ops-heartbeat-01.txt>
	transition

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nward-v6ops-teredo-server-selection
   "Teredo Server Selection", Nathan Ward, 3-Jul-07,
   <draft-nward-v6ops-teredo-server-selection-00.txt>
	transition

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-van-beijnum-v6ops-connect-method
   "IPv4/IPv6 Interoperation Using the HTTP CONNECT Method", Iljitsch  
van
   Beijnum, 5-Jul-07, <draft-van-beijnum-v6ops-connect-method-00.txt>
	not sure what to do with this

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On 26/11/2007, at 10:42 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
>
> The question is: do we really have a problem?
>
> Yes, people recommend turning off IPv6 on forums here and there, but  
> this used to be because there were some DNS servers out there that  
> would reply with an error when queried for AAAA records. That  
> problem has been solved 99.9%, unless I'm mistaken. Also, apparently  
> turning off IPv6 helps agains all kinds of problems that are  
> provably IPv6-unrelated.
>
> I think any effort would be better spent by making sure OSes don't  
> send AAAA queries when there is no IPv6 connectivity.


I agree with this.
The major case that I see is Windows firing up 6to4 when it has a non- 
RFC1918 address, when it's connectivity is filtered or NATed.

What other common cases are there, that are not due to  
misconfiguration (i.e. IPv6 `default' route configured on an interface/ 
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I'm sorry, turning off IPv6 routing does not imply the userland should not
and cannot query for v6 addresses.  That's just bogus.  The operating system
can inform the application that the v6 address has no route, and the
application can try the next address, just as if it were a v4 host with
multiple v4 addresses, and the first one is not reachable, only faster,
because no default route means the application will get notified much
sooner.

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Penned by Nathan Ward on 20071129 16:45.40, we have:
> On 26/11/2007, at 10:42 PM, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
>>
>> The question is: do we really have a problem?
>>
>> Yes, people recommend turning off IPv6 on forums here and there, but this 
>> used to be because there were some DNS servers out there that would reply 
>> with an error when queried for AAAA records. That problem has been solved 
>> 99.9%, unless I'm mistaken. Also, apparently turning off IPv6 helps agains 
>> all kinds of problems that are provably IPv6-unrelated.
>>
>> I think any effort would be better spent by making sure OSes don't send 
>> AAAA queries when there is no IPv6 connectivity.
>
>
> I agree with this.
> The major case that I see is Windows firing up 6to4 when it has a 
> non-RFC1918 address, when it's connectivity is filtered or NATed.
>
> What other common cases are there, that are not due to misconfiguration 
> (i.e. IPv6 `default' route configured on an interface/link without IPv6 
> transit doesn't count).
>
> --
> Nathan Ward
>
>
>
>




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Hi,

On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 10:26:21PM -0600, Todd T. Fries wrote:
> I'm sorry, turning off IPv6 routing does not imply the userland should not
> and cannot query for v6 addresses.  That's just bogus.  

There's a difference between

 "the application explicitely asks for AAAA records"

and

 "the application wants to connect to a given host, by whatever means"

in the first case, it's clear that the operating system has no reason
to stand in the application's way.

In the second case, querying for AAAA/A6 addresses makes not very much 
sense if the OS *knows* that it has no way to actually reach such an 
address (e.g.: the IPv6 stack is not loaded).

Gert Doering
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:26:21 -0600, "Todd T. Fries" <todd@fries.net> wrote:

> I'm sorry, turning off IPv6 routing does not imply the userland should

not

> and cannot query for v6 addresses.  That's just bogus.  The operating

> system

> can inform the application that the v6 address has no route, and the

> application can try the next address, just as if it were a v4 host with

> multiple v4 addresses, and the first one is not reachable, only faster,

> because no default route means the application will get notified much

> sooner.



Like it or not, just about every major dual-stackable operating system

"fail" to query AAAA RRs if the host has no IPv6 address except for

loopback and link-local ones.

There are simply way too many broken DNS servers and somewhat-DNS-aware

middleboxes in the field that screw up on AAAA queries.



Besides, if an application really wants to resolve a name to an IPv6

address, it can probably request it explicitly (e.g.

hints.ai_family = PF_INET6 with getaddrinfo()). Still, from a

connectivity perspective, you would normally not be using DNS for

loopback (::1). And you simply cannot use DNS for link-local

addressing, since link-local addresses require a host-specific

scope, which DNS cannot provide.





Since this part of the problem is essentially fixed in the field,

I think the main remaining issue is what Nathan describes - lame

automatic 6to4 deployment.



-- 

RÃ©mi





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Make all the distinguishing you wish.

The bottom line is that OpenBSD userland unconditionally enables IPv6
regardless if the kernel supports it or not.  If there is no v6 default
route, v6 fails quickly and seamlessly back to v4 (telnet, ftp, ssh, etc)
and behaves sanely.

I do not see why mandating different is productive for a future of v6
deployment.
-- 
Todd Fries .. todd@fries.net

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| Hi,
| 
| On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 10:26:21PM -0600, Todd T. Fries wrote:
| > I'm sorry, turning off IPv6 routing does not imply the userland should not
| > and cannot query for v6 addresses.  That's just bogus.  
| 
| There's a difference between
| 
|  "the application explicitely asks for AAAA records"
| 
| and
| 
|  "the application wants to connect to a given host, by whatever means"
| 
| in the first case, it's clear that the operating system has no reason
| to stand in the application's way.
| 
| In the second case, querying for AAAA/A6 addresses makes not very much 
| sense if the OS *knows* that it has no way to actually reach such an 
| address (e.g.: the IPv6 stack is not loaded).
| 
| Gert Doering
|         -- NetMaster
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fails to query AAAA records unless the application explicitly requests it?

How hard are we trying to make the transition?

*sigh*
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Penned by Remi Denis-Courmont on 20071129 12:17.15, we have:
| 
| On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:26:21 -0600, "Todd T. Fries" <todd@fries.net> wrote:
| > I'm sorry, turning off IPv6 routing does not imply the userland should
| not
| > and cannot query for v6 addresses.  That's just bogus.  The operating
| > system
| > can inform the application that the v6 address has no route, and the
| > application can try the next address, just as if it were a v4 host with
| > multiple v4 addresses, and the first one is not reachable, only faster,
| > because no default route means the application will get notified much
| > sooner.
| 
| Like it or not, just about every major dual-stackable operating system
| "fail" to query AAAA RRs if the host has no IPv6 address except for
| loopback and link-local ones.
| There are simply way too many broken DNS servers and somewhat-DNS-aware
| middleboxes in the field that screw up on AAAA queries.
| 
| Besides, if an application really wants to resolve a name to an IPv6
| address, it can probably request it explicitly (e.g.
| hints.ai_family = PF_INET6 with getaddrinfo()). Still, from a
| connectivity perspective, you would normally not be using DNS for
| loopback (::1). And you simply cannot use DNS for link-local
| addressing, since link-local addresses require a host-specific
| scope, which DNS cannot provide.
| 
| 
| Since this part of the problem is essentially fixed in the field,
| I think the main remaining issue is what Nathan describes - lame
| automatic 6to4 deployment.
| 
| -- 
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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 06:19:25AM -0600, Todd T. Fries wrote:
> Make all the distinguishing you wish.

Thanks for your well-reflected views on a one-size-fits-all reality :-)

> The bottom line is that OpenBSD userland unconditionally enables IPv6
> regardless if the kernel supports it or not.  If there is no v6 default
> route, v6 fails quickly and seamlessly back to v4 (telnet, ftp, ssh, etc)
> and behaves sanely.

Aah, OpenBSD.  Now, of course, OpenBSD is always right, and the single
point of reference on how operating systems should work.

The initial topic on this thread was "can we avoid extra DNS queries that
have no value, but may cause operational issues".

What happens *afterward*, whether or not the connection fails "quickly"=20
or "slowly", is really of not much interest for the question under
discussion.

Gert Doering
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On 29 nov 2007, at 13:19, Todd T. Fries wrote:

> The bottom line is that OpenBSD userland unconditionally enables IPv6
> regardless if the kernel supports it or not.  If there is no v6  
> default
> route, v6 fails quickly and seamlessly back to v4 (telnet, ftp, ssh,  
> etc)
> and behaves sanely.

> I do not see why mandating different is productive for a future of v6
> deployment.

I for one am glad that my OS of choice is smart enough to avoid this  
unnecessary extra work. If your users don't mind this "you checked the  
box during installation so now I'm going to waste time for each DNS  
lookup even though a quick look at the routing table could avoid that"  
approach, I agree that the IETF should probably not force you to do  
things differently.




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I guess the concept of just working is overrated also.

I do not think we have time to debate the finer points of eeking operational
overhead by asking vendors to not query AAAA just because a v6 stack/default
route is not enabled.... versus telling vendors where dns servers are broken
and fixing things to pave the way for adoption of v6 wholesale.

I am sorry you see me as a one size fits all mentality associated with
OpenBSD.  I simply mention it as one os vendor that does the opposite of
what you suggest.  I would be surprised if there are not others.

To me, removing AAAA queries based upon conditions adds more complexity
and does not provide a consistent user experience and is a step backwards
rather than a step forwards.

You will, however, get no complaints from me regarding BCP of not querying
A6; this was deprecated years ago...

Think about it, you want userland to query the kernel for v6 support and
further for a v6 default route before each potential AAAA query?  This seems
rather complex and fragile and has overhead that to me is worse than
unconditionally sending the AAAA requests.

You want a user to note that a host has no v6 record, on a v4 only node,
yet suddenly discover there is a v6 record on a v6 enabled node?  How insane
is this?  Suddenly starting to pull wool across eyes is what this sounds
like.  I much prefer to verify my dns is sending out v6 results even from a v4
only node than to alter something that I (and I suspect I am not alone)
expect to work today.

How can asking vendors to add more special casing to v6 code to hide v6
rather than enabling it by default be a step forward?

I for one, regardless of my os of choice, see the scenario you propose
to be a giant leap backwards.

Thanks,
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Penned by Gert Doering on 20071129 13:51.28, we have:
| Hi,
| 
| On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 06:19:25AM -0600, Todd T. Fries wrote:
| > Make all the distinguishing you wish.
| 
| Thanks for your well-reflected views on a one-size-fits-all reality :-)
| 
| > The bottom line is that OpenBSD userland unconditionally enables IPv6
| > regardless if the kernel supports it or not.  If there is no v6 default
| > route, v6 fails quickly and seamlessly back to v4 (telnet, ftp, ssh, etc)
| > and behaves sanely.
| 
| Aah, OpenBSD.  Now, of course, OpenBSD is always right, and the single
| point of reference on how operating systems should work.
| 
| The initial topic on this thread was "can we avoid extra DNS queries that
| have no value, but may cause operational issues".
| 
| What happens *afterward*, whether or not the connection fails "quickly" 
| or "slowly", is really of not much interest for the question under
| discussion.
| 
| Gert Doering
|         -- NetMaster
| -- 
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What box?  There is no box to enable v6 on OpenBSD.  The only place
in OpenBSD that does not have v6 enabled by default is in a few install
media kernels, which do not have space for v6.  The userland ftp utility,
used for retrieving images, fails most gracefully when given a hostname
that has both v4 and v6 addresses, it tries the v6, fails immediately,
and then uses the v4 address.

I guess you have not tried OpenBSD since you seem to think there are
options check boxes that enable/disable v6 entirely during the installation.
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Penned by Iljitsch van Beijnum on 20071129 14:10.30, we have:
| On 29 nov 2007, at 13:19, Todd T. Fries wrote:
| 
| >The bottom line is that OpenBSD userland unconditionally enables IPv6
| >regardless if the kernel supports it or not.  If there is no v6  
| >default
| >route, v6 fails quickly and seamlessly back to v4 (telnet, ftp, ssh,  
| >etc)
| >and behaves sanely.
| 
| >I do not see why mandating different is productive for a future of v6
| >deployment.
| 
| I for one am glad that my OS of choice is smart enough to avoid this  
| unnecessary extra work. If your users don't mind this "you checked the  
| box during installation so now I'm going to waste time for each DNS  
| lookup even though a quick look at the routing table could avoid that"  
| approach, I agree that the IETF should probably not force you to do  
| things differently.




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So we hack the os to fix the broken dns servers. whee!  Progress!
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Penned by R?mi Denis-Courmont on 20071129 20:17.33, we have:
| Le Thursday 29 November 2007 14:19:25 Todd T. Fries, vous avez ?crit?:
| > The bottom line is that OpenBSD userland unconditionally enables IPv6
| > regardless if the kernel supports it or not.  If there is no v6 default
| > route, v6 fails quickly and seamlessly back to v4 (telnet, ftp, ssh, etc)
| > and behaves sanely.
| 
| Great, so lets put said OpenBSD behind one of many cheap CPE that drops or 
| otherwise screws up DNS AAAA query packets.
| 
| I fail to see how not having a default v6 route saves you from waiting for the 
| DNS query timeout (remember the DNS AAAA request will be sent over IPv4).
| 
| > I do not see why mandating different is productive for a future of v6
| > deployment.
| 
| Because it avoids lengthy time outs when AAAA DNS breaks. Without this hack, 
| more people will be annoyed by the dual stack nature of their OS and learn to 
| disable IPv6 *completely*.
| 
| See also RFC4472.
| 
| -- 
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Le Thursday 29 November 2007 14:28:46 Todd T. Fries, vous avez =E9crit=A0:
> fails to query AAAA records unless the application explicitly requests it?
>
> How hard are we trying to make the transition?

How hard are you trying to misrepresent my comment?

I said *IF* there are no IPv6 addresses beyond loopback and link-local ones=
,=20
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connectivity is absent?

=2D-=20
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Le Thursday 29 November 2007 14:19:25 Todd T. Fries, vous avez =E9crit=A0:
> The bottom line is that OpenBSD userland unconditionally enables IPv6
> regardless if the kernel supports it or not.  If there is no v6 default
> route, v6 fails quickly and seamlessly back to v4 (telnet, ftp, ssh, etc)
> and behaves sanely.

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=20
otherwise screws up DNS AAAA query packets.

I fail to see how not having a default v6 route saves you from waiting for =
the=20
DNS query timeout (remember the DNS AAAA request will be sent over IPv4).

> I do not see why mandating different is productive for a future of v6
> deployment.

Because it avoids lengthy time outs when AAAA DNS breaks. Without this hack=
,=20
more people will be annoyed by the dual stack nature of their OS and learn =
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disable IPv6 *completely*.

See also RFC4472.

=2D-=20
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I know exactly what you said.

The use is, if I have some app that is generating reports or doing things
other than connecting to IPv6 addresses where returning IPv6 addresses
would be useful.

Don't presume the only thing dns resolution is for is to connect to the
addresses being resolved.

What if you want to debug the dns output of your dns server from a v4 only
node, but want to verify it's outputing v6 records?

By your semantics, you'd not see the v6 on a v4 only node.

I don't think this is right.
-- 
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Penned by R?mi Denis-Courmont on 20071129 20:19.56, we have:
| Le Thursday 29 November 2007 14:28:46 Todd T. Fries, vous avez ?crit?:
| > fails to query AAAA records unless the application explicitly requests it?
| >
| > How hard are we trying to make the transition?
| 
| How hard are you trying to misrepresent my comment?
| 
| I said *IF* there are no IPv6 addresses beyond loopback and link-local ones, 
| didn't I? What's the use of querying by *default* if we know IPv6 
| connectivity is absent?
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Le Thursday 29 November 2007 20:18:59 todd@fries.net, vous avez =E9crit=A0:
> So we hack the os to fix the broken dns servers. whee!  Progress!

Does OpenBSD refuse to work behind a NAT because it is not legal from RFC=20
perspective? Silly me, I almost forgot the pf own NAT implementation did no=
t=20
even remotely match the IETF BEHAVE specifications.

There is a (rather small) market for OSes that do everything "right" from a=
=20
technical perspective, and there is a (rather large) market for OSes that=20
just works. As it happens, OpenBSD can afford to aim only at the first=20
market - good for you! Conversely, most computer users cannot afford to use=
=20
OpenBSD.

As such, I don't think we want to limit the relevance of IETF to *only* the=
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Le Thursday 29 November 2007 20:28:33 todd@fries.net, vous avez =E9crit=A0:
> The use is, if I have some app that is generating reports or doing things
> other than connecting to IPv6 addresses where returning IPv6 addresses
> would be useful.
>
> Don't presume the only thing dns resolution is for is to connect to the
> addresses being resolved.
>
> What if you want to debug the dns output of your dns server from a v4 only
> node, but want to verify it's outputing v6 records?

Then you are probably capable of setting up OpenBSD, or alternatively using=
=20
ISC BIND dig to query AAAA, A and ANY RR types explicitly (or both).

> By your semantics, you'd not see the v6 on a v4 only node.

> I don't think this is right.

I *know* it's not right. However, I claim it's pragmatic.

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So any app that needs to resolve things in a consistent manner must fork and
exec dig?

Nice.
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Penned by R?mi Denis-Courmont on 20071129 20:33.09, we have:
| Le Thursday 29 November 2007 20:28:33 todd@fries.net, vous avez ?crit?:
| > The use is, if I have some app that is generating reports or doing things
| > other than connecting to IPv6 addresses where returning IPv6 addresses
| > would be useful.
| >
| > Don't presume the only thing dns resolution is for is to connect to the
| > addresses being resolved.
| >
| > What if you want to debug the dns output of your dns server from a v4 only
| > node, but want to verify it's outputing v6 records?
| 
| Then you are probably capable of setting up OpenBSD, or alternatively using 
| ISC BIND dig to query AAAA, A and ANY RR types explicitly (or both).
| 
| > By your semantics, you'd not see the v6 on a v4 only node.
| 
| > I don't think this is right.
| 
| I *know* it's not right. However, I claim it's pragmatic.
| 
| -- 
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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:28:33PM -0600, todd@fries.net wrote:
> I know exactly what you said.
> 
> The use is, if I have some app that is generating reports or doing things
> other than connecting to IPv6 addresses where returning IPv6 addresses
> would be useful.

There is a difference between an app querying *for IPv6 addresses* and
an app querying "give me something to connect to".  Please try to get that
into your head.

Nobody is trying to refuse an app's explicit AAAA queries.

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Why does an app have to explicitly ask for AAAA queries?

Why can I not write apps that expect that getaddrinfo() when passed a hint
of AF_UNSPEC .. will return all addresses, v6 or v4?
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Penned by Gert Doering on 20071129 19:48.14, we have:
| Hi,
| 
| On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:28:33PM -0600, todd@fries.net wrote:
| > I know exactly what you said.
| > 
| > The use is, if I have some app that is generating reports or doing things
| > other than connecting to IPv6 addresses where returning IPv6 addresses
| > would be useful.
| 
| There is a difference between an app querying *for IPv6 addresses* and
| an app querying "give me something to connect to".  Please try to get that
| into your head.
| 
| Nobody is trying to refuse an app's explicit AAAA queries.
| 
| Gert Doering
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Gert Doering wrote:
> Hi,
>=20
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:28:33PM -0600, todd@fries.net wrote:
>> I know exactly what you said.
>>
>> The use is, if I have some app that is generating reports or doing thi=
ngs
>> other than connecting to IPv6 addresses where returning IPv6 addresses=

>> would be useful.
>=20
> There is a difference between an app querying *for IPv6 addresses* and
> an app querying "give me something to connect to".  Please try to get t=
hat
> into your head.
>=20
> Nobody is trying to refuse an app's explicit AAAA queries.

But from an application perspective there is no such thing.

Applications are nowdays supposed to use getaddrinfo() / getnameinfo(),
the first one is patched in eg glibc to not return AAAA's when the
caller asks for an ANY record, eg "please show me all the records for
example.com", if that is for connecting or not.

Apps that need to connect (the ones we are discussing here) have to
specify AI_ADDRCONFIG. Apps that don't (the ones Todd mention)

As such this is already present, BUT a lot of applications (including
quite a few of mine) don't use it, as it is a relatively new flag.
That flag was also only introduced in glibc 2.3.3.

The real fix to this discussion: fix the apps.

Fixing the DNS would also help of course but that is even more cumbersome=
=2E

Greets,
 Jeroen


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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:50:24PM -0600, todd@fries.net wrote:
> Why does an app have to explicitly ask for AAAA queries?
>=20
> Why can I not write apps that expect that getaddrinfo() when passed a hint
> of AF_UNSPEC .. will return all addresses, v6 or v4?

Sure you can, but what's the benefit for that application?

Actually this is nitpicking.  The *real* problem is that the systems need a
"connect me to this host*name*" system/library call, that will handle all=
=20
the underlying combinations and do the right thing, depending on system
preferences and capabilities.

Forcing each application to invent its own getaddrinfo()/loop-over-addresses
loop, possibly delaying connections due to IPv6 or IPv4 blackholes "out
there" (because normally this isn't done in parallel, but in sequence),
is just "last century coding".

Gert Doering
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> From: Jun Murai <jun@wide.ad.jp>
> Date: November 29, 2007 10:00:20 PM EST
> To: bob.hinden@nokia.com, "fred@cisco. com" <fred@cisco.com>, Kurt  
> Lindqvist <kurtis@kurtis.pp.se>, Brian Haberman  
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> Dear Friends,
>
> As many may have heard of the sad news, Itojun (Dr. Junichiro  
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>
> Itojun has been an important member of the WIDE community, making  
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> We would like to invite the IETF community to spend time with his  
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> 	
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> If you could share this information with his friends, appreciated.
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>
> Jun Murai (WIDE Project)
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> ---Gathering in Memory of ItoJun---
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> Actually this is nitpicking.  The *real* problem is that the systems
> need a "connect me to this host*name*" system/library call, that will
> handle all the underlying combinations and do the right thing, depending
> on system preferences and capabilities.

Do you mean something like WSAConnectByName (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-=
us/library/ms741557.aspx)? Or maybe "TcpClient.Connect (String, Int32)" (ht=
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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:40:48PM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
> > Actually this is nitpicking.  The *real* problem is that the systems
> > need a "connect me to this host*name*" system/library call, that will
> > handle all the underlying combinations and do the right thing, depending
> > on system preferences and capabilities.
>=20
> Do you mean something like WSAConnectByName (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/e=
n-us/library/ms741557.aspx)? Or maybe "TcpClient.Connect (String, Int32)"=
=20
> (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.net.sockets.tcpclient.co=
nnect.aspx)?

Exactly something like this.

(A bit more generic than "TcpClient.Connect", though.  Why TCP only?  What
about SCTP?)

And not only for windows, but standardized across all platforms in more
widespread use.

Gert Doering
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Christian Huitema wrote:
>> Actually this is nitpicking.  The *real* problem is that the systems
>> need a "connect me to this host*name*" system/library call, that will
>> handle all the underlying combinations and do the right thing, depending
>> on system preferences and capabilities.
> 
> Do you mean something like WSAConnectByName (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms741557.aspx)? Or maybe "TcpClient.Connect (String, Int32)" (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.net.sockets.tcpclient.connect.aspx)?

Or something like:
https://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/net/Socket.html#Socket(java.lang.String,%20int)

TCP is trivial to do.

Providing the same capability for applications that use UDP is harder, 
since one would have to involve the application to get feedback whether 
a particular IP address worked or not; TCP gets this from the SYN|ACK 
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