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From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090108194109.14D853A67B6@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:41:07 -0800 (PST) Having trouble viewing this email? Click here to view as a webpage. From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 8 20:52:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949D73A6B03 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.824 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.824 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.776, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cdr4nM-B+hPk for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE383A6909 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LL9GV-0005uu-SX for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:46:35 +0000 Received: from [202.50.176.161] (helo=unobtainium.braintrust.co.nz) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LL9GN-0005ue-HC for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:46:29 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.51] (ip-118-90-105-213.xdsl.xnet.co.nz [118.90.105.213]) by unobtainium.braintrust.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25F227521; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:46:22 +1300 (NZDT) Cc: Suresh Krishnan , Christian Huitema , Kurt Zeilenga , Pasi Eronen , Tim Polk , "secdir@mit.edu" , "Jim_Hoagland@symantec.com" , Dave Thaler , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" Message-Id: <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> From: Nathan Ward To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 17:46:22 +1300 References: <8B128AB2-BBD9-49B9-A837-F00DD80BF5D3@Isode.com> <48F2C29B.8090900@ericsson.com> <48F8EE0D.4060307@ericsson.com> <48FB9A79.8040407@gmail.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A134A70E895@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <48FDFBCB.1090508@ericsson.com> <48FE4681.4070006@gmail.com> <5333EA69-337F-4373-A247-1852B61D96C0@daork.net> <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 23/10/2008, at 9:19 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > As far as I can see, there's a general problem in attempting > to detect and block Teredo packets (I mean UDP/IPv4 packets > in Teredo format). But it seems to me that by running an > internal Teredo server, a site is much better placed to > track and trace Teredo users. This is important as Teredo > users really need to be running an IPv6-savvy host firewall. Nope, as remote Teredo relays and hosts will send traffic directly. I do not believe that it is not possible to restrict Teredo to a certain domain. Perhaps if the local Teredo server tells the local Teredo aware firewall what UDP ports on each IPv4 /32 are used for an address, then the firewall could inspect packets, but there are no such products currently. You also have to force end hosts to use that Teredo server. It's not immediately clear to me how you would do that. If you're in a position to operate a Teredo server in an end site organisation, you are better off doing ISATAP. That is what it is designed for. >>> I agree with you that there are real threats (or will be, once >>> there is enough deployment to make IPv6 tunnels an interesting >>> target). It's quite appropriate to document them. >> >> >> I need to preface these remarks by say that I haven't read the >> document >> apart from a quick skim read, so sorry if I'm saying something that's >> already in there, or is not relevant. >> >> I think it's important to distinguish between tunnels that end users' >> systems create automatically (ala 6to4, Teredo in Vista), and tunnels >> that end users create to work around firewalls. >> >> The former is easy to document solutions for, in fact, it seems to me >> that any tunnelling protocol RFC should include details as to how a >> network administrator can prevent these protocols passing through >> their >> network. For Teredo this means blocking port 3544/3545. For 6to4 this >> means blocking protocol 41 (preferably returning ICMPv6 messages >> encapsulated in 6to4 so the the application is told about it..). >> This is >> more about blocking things that do not work or perform poorly in a >> certain environment, rather than trying to secure a network. >> >> The latter is not so easy, and I think this document should simply >> point >> out that the only way to really do this is to completely control >> the end >> users' machines, and not allow any third party software or >> configuration >> changes. Anything else is instilling a false sense of security in the >> minds of network administrators who perhaps are not as fluent in >> these >> things as we are. > > Yes, but there are plenty of environments where that's impossible, > and default deny is unacceptable because it blocks legitimate usage. > I think the document needs to steer between the extremes, and suggest > scenarios that are reasonably safe. This is the security trade-off, and is up to the security people of each organisation I suppose. I don't think we can say what is or is not acceptable. Most organisations where I have been employed have used default deny, and required the use of an HTTP proxy. That worked fine for 99% of people, and the few of us who had different requirements had special ethernet ports, etc. I am very concerned about the direction we're heading in with firewall type stuff if we're requiring security people in organisations to understand (fairly) complex protocols like Teredo. I have a hard enough time explaining this to people who have worked in IP networking for a long time. An excellent example of this is Brian's comments in the first part of this email. Because of this, I feel that this document should list several options, and state that the only way to be sure is the default deny, option unless you *really* understand the protocols and can prove it. -- Nathan Ward From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 9 14:02:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1389D3A6964 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:02:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.066, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mgmhjOkaRP9L for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:02:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9623A685E for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLPLF-00028I-Gn for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:56:33 +0000 Received: from [209.85.142.190] (helo=ti-out-0910.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLPL9-00027r-RP for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:56:30 +0000 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b6so10775354tic.23 for ; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:56:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MUVNBqLB1LF7qbGxKM4Zz5gdYUuEd4WRdn2UBmdixSQ=; b=LatU6DIeSfq214CHRFF97V88UDk5fhDN/cvE9bMmgQHcRAgglSFBzj5ZocUoihsO/X x+/js+MqQS7l1HVbP28KBfl832o76FJUmgacpO4vnO5xpARMZJJ4xuFA8UztEIoOqNEo DLWgPPEw6hbPou/UFW6I6GXBErd5FPesru/YI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=qVqAO8gS2hjHJ44clQ77/VRmO2uqCva2NtG75G04MA1/oGvm77MbTgs7BamTrwC5eF n6pXpkH3DElnuStyYm1fBWK8AlZjd3/xVXESR+cRBFpOMnz4LteGWh7diWSsvkevDTE5 auId3VTNH4X5GyiGlrcbHv8cj6p7UfF+vHDk0= Received: by 10.110.86.3 with SMTP id j3mr6060090tib.32.1231538185983; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? (118-93-185-90.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz [118.93.185.90]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm4736220tif.39.2009.01.09.13.56.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 09 Jan 2009 13:56:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4967C803.7060803@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:56:19 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Ward CC: Suresh Krishnan , Christian Huitema , Kurt Zeilenga , Pasi Eronen , Tim Polk , "secdir@mit.edu" , "Jim_Hoagland@symantec.com" , Dave Thaler , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" Subject: Re: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns References: <8B128AB2-BBD9-49B9-A837-F00DD80BF5D3@Isode.com> <48F2C29B.8090900@ericsson.com> <48F8EE0D.4060307@ericsson.com> <48FB9A79.8040407@gmail.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A134A70E895@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <48FDFBCB.1090508@ericsson.com> <48FE4681.4070006@gmail.com> <5333EA69-337F-4373-A247-1852B61D96C0@daork.net> <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> In-Reply-To: <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Nathan, On 2009-01-09 17:46, Nathan Ward wrote: > On 23/10/2008, at 9:19 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> As far as I can see, there's a general problem in attempting >> to detect and block Teredo packets (I mean UDP/IPv4 packets >> in Teredo format). But it seems to me that by running an >> internal Teredo server, a site is much better placed to >> track and trace Teredo users. This is important as Teredo >> users really need to be running an IPv6-savvy host firewall. > > Nope, as remote Teredo relays and hosts will send traffic directly. I do > not believe that it is not possible to restrict Teredo to a certain domain. No, and that's not what I meant to suggest. I meant that by operating a local Teredo server, the local management can find out who is actively using Teredo and ensure that they are adequately protected at the host level. It certainly isn't reasonable to expect a site firewall to be doing the necessary deep packet inspection. > > Perhaps if the local Teredo server tells the local Teredo aware firewall > what UDP ports on each IPv4 /32 are used for an address, then the > firewall could inspect packets, but there are no such products currently. > > You also have to force end hosts to use that Teredo server. It's not > immediately clear to me how you would do that. Quoting you out of context: " Alternatively, a network may force customers to use its Teredo servers by 'spoofing' DNS names or IPv4 addresses. " Were you planning to follow up on draft-nward-v6ops-teredo-server-selection-00? > > If you're in a position to operate a Teredo server in an end site > organisation, you are better off doing ISATAP. That is what it is > designed for. Yes, but my concern was more about users who are spontaneously using Teredo. The above type of spoofing is a way to find them, however unpleasant it may be. > >>>> I agree with you that there are real threats (or will be, once >>>> there is enough deployment to make IPv6 tunnels an interesting >>>> target). It's quite appropriate to document them. >>> >>> >>> I need to preface these remarks by say that I haven't read the document >>> apart from a quick skim read, so sorry if I'm saying something that's >>> already in there, or is not relevant. >>> >>> I think it's important to distinguish between tunnels that end users' >>> systems create automatically (ala 6to4, Teredo in Vista), and tunnels >>> that end users create to work around firewalls. >>> >>> The former is easy to document solutions for, in fact, it seems to me >>> that any tunnelling protocol RFC should include details as to how a >>> network administrator can prevent these protocols passing through their >>> network. For Teredo this means blocking port 3544/3545. For 6to4 this >>> means blocking protocol 41 (preferably returning ICMPv6 messages >>> encapsulated in 6to4 so the the application is told about it..). This is >>> more about blocking things that do not work or perform poorly in a >>> certain environment, rather than trying to secure a network. >>> >>> The latter is not so easy, and I think this document should simply point >>> out that the only way to really do this is to completely control the end >>> users' machines, and not allow any third party software or configuration >>> changes. Anything else is instilling a false sense of security in the >>> minds of network administrators who perhaps are not as fluent in these >>> things as we are. >> >> Yes, but there are plenty of environments where that's impossible, >> and default deny is unacceptable because it blocks legitimate usage. >> I think the document needs to steer between the extremes, and suggest >> scenarios that are reasonably safe. > > > This is the security trade-off, and is up to the security people of each > organisation I suppose. I don't think we can say what is or is not > acceptable. > > Most organisations where I have been employed have used default deny, > and required the use of an HTTP proxy. That worked fine for 99% of > people, and the few of us who had different requirements had special > ethernet ports, etc. > > I am very concerned about the direction we're heading in with firewall > type stuff if we're requiring security people in organisations to > understand (fairly) complex protocols like Teredo. I have a hard enough > time explaining this to people who have worked in IP networking for a > long time. An excellent example of this is Brian's comments in the first > part of this email. > > Because of this, I feel that this document should list several options, > and state that the only way to be sure is the default deny, option > unless you *really* understand the protocols and can prove it. That seems very reasonable, and I would prefer it to what looks like firm recommmendations right now. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 9 14:46:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7438A3A6864 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:46:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.850, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7VIXmFs5VkOT for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8B73A68DF for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 14:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLQ5I-0005bh-GB for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:44:08 +0000 Received: from [202.50.176.161] (helo=unobtainium.braintrust.co.nz) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLQ5C-0005bE-UV for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:44:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.51] (ip-118-90-105-213.xdsl.xnet.co.nz [118.90.105.213]) by unobtainium.braintrust.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6929271CC; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:43:58 +1300 (NZDT) Cc: Suresh Krishnan , Christian Huitema , Kurt Zeilenga , Pasi Eronen , Tim Polk , "secdir@mit.edu" , "Jim_Hoagland@symantec.com" , Dave Thaler , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" Message-Id: <8AAA7487-A80F-41CE-92C5-F8E189D5D3B1@daork.net> From: Nathan Ward To: Brian E Carpenter In-Reply-To: <4967C803.7060803@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:43:57 +1300 References: <8B128AB2-BBD9-49B9-A837-F00DD80BF5D3@Isode.com> <48F2C29B.8090900@ericsson.com> <48F8EE0D.4060307@ericsson.com> <48FB9A79.8040407@gmail.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A134A70E895@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <48FDFBCB.1090508@ericsson.com> <48FE4681.4070006@gmail.com> <5333EA69-337F-4373-A247-1852B61D96C0@daork.net> <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> <4967C803.7060803@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 10/01/2009, at 10:56 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > On 2009-01-09 17:46, Nathan Ward wrote: >> On 23/10/2008, at 9:19 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> >>> As far as I can see, there's a general problem in attempting >>> to detect and block Teredo packets (I mean UDP/IPv4 packets >>> in Teredo format). But it seems to me that by running an >>> internal Teredo server, a site is much better placed to >>> track and trace Teredo users. This is important as Teredo >>> users really need to be running an IPv6-savvy host firewall. >> >> Nope, as remote Teredo relays and hosts will send traffic directly. >> I do >> not believe that it is not possible to restrict Teredo to a certain >> domain. > > No, and that's not what I meant to suggest. I meant that by operating > a local Teredo server, the local management can find out who is > actively > using Teredo and ensure that they are adequately protected at the host > level. It certainly isn't reasonable to expect a site firewall to be > doing the necessary deep packet inspection. Seems feasible. The Teredo server could do some sort of look-up before responding. If they do not respond the interface will not come up. >> Perhaps if the local Teredo server tells the local Teredo aware >> firewall >> what UDP ports on each IPv4 /32 are used for an address, then the >> firewall could inspect packets, but there are no such products >> currently. >> >> You also have to force end hosts to use that Teredo server. It's not >> immediately clear to me how you would do that. > > Quoting you out of context: > > " Alternatively, a network may force customers to use its Teredo > servers by 'spoofing' DNS names or IPv4 addresses. " > > Were you planning to follow up on draft-nward-v6ops-teredo-server- > selection-00? Yes. I am at this minute looking at flights to SFO for IETF74, and if that is financially do-able then I'll update it and present it there. Few people seemed to be interested when I explained electronically, in person has worked better with various people since then, so in person will do well I'm sure. >> If you're in a position to operate a Teredo server in an end site >> organisation, you are better off doing ISATAP. That is what it is >> designed for. > > Yes, but my concern was more about users who are spontaneously using > Teredo. The above type of spoofing is a way to find them, > however unpleasant it may be. If they are spontaneously using Teredo (I assume by spontaneously, you mean automatically ala Vista etc. ?) then they are going to try ISATAP first. As ISATAP gives you unencapsulated traffic on your border router (or between your border and ISATAP routers if they are separate, etc. etc.) this seems like a better option, to me. I suppose this depends whether you want to control security at the border, or at the host. Hmm, it's probably worth noting that I'm talking about Windows hosts here. Linux hosts with a Teredo stack installed will not try ISATAP first. Of course, if the local management have sufficient access to the host to secure it (as you suggest in the first part of the email), they have sufficient access to simply disable Teredo - either by having the host part of a Windows domain, or by pushing the right bits in to the registry. This seems to me to be a superior strategy. -- Nathan Ward From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 9 15:13:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F2C28C11D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.41 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.41 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.915, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F5APlLOKCojS for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBB83A67AD for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLQU2-0007U4-8W for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:09:42 +0000 Received: from [130.76.64.48] (helo=slb-smtpout-01.boeing.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLQTw-0007TQ-O6 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:09:39 +0000 Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (slb-av-01.boeing.com [129.172.13.4]) by slb-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/8.14.0/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id n09N8qoS028444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id n09N8qfk002533; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id n09N8p4x002496; Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.54.35]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:08:50 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:08:49 -0800 Message-ID: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1056AAA7D@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <8AAA7487-A80F-41CE-92C5-F8E189D5D3B1@daork.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns Thread-Index: AclyrO+ECzg9xJNvQuyH9tWX3byOuAAAckmg References: <8B128AB2-BBD9-49B9-A837-F00DD80BF5D3@Isode.com> <48F2C29B.8090900@ericsson.com> <48F8EE0D.4060307@ericsson.com> <48FB9A79.8040407@gmail.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A134A70E895@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <48FDFBCB.1090508@ericsson.com> <48FE4681.4070006@gmail.com> <5333EA69-337F-4373-A247-1852B61D96C0@daork.net> <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> <4967C803.7060803@gmail.com> <8AAA7487-A80F-41CE-92C5-F8E189D5D3B1@daork.net> From: "Templin, Fred L" To: "Nathan Ward" , "Brian E Carpenter" Cc: "Suresh Krishnan" , "Christian Huitema" , "Kurt Zeilenga" , "Pasi Eronen" , "Tim Polk" , , , "Dave Thaler" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2009 23:08:50.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B9FC720:01C972AF] Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: >Hmm, it's probably worth noting that I'm talking about Windows hosts >here. Linux hosts with a Teredo stack installed will not try ISATAP >first. I may be able to help with that. Tell me what behavior you want out of ISATAP on linux, and I'll code it... 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Jan 10 21:20:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C833A6984 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:20:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.713 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.713 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.665, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bs3HqSQn-IxR for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 000AE3A681F for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLsdN-000PNy-FY for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:13:13 +0000 Received: from [202.50.176.161] (helo=unobtainium.braintrust.co.nz) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LLsdI-000PMz-EF for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:13:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.51] (ip-118-90-105-213.xdsl.xnet.co.nz [118.90.105.213]) by unobtainium.braintrust.co.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F6227930; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:13:03 +1300 (NZDT) Cc: "Brian E Carpenter" , "Suresh Krishnan" , "Christian Huitema" , "Kurt Zeilenga" , "Pasi Eronen" , "Tim Polk" , , , "Dave Thaler" , Message-Id: From: Nathan Ward To: "Templin, Fred L" In-Reply-To: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1056AAA7D@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:13:02 +1300 References: <8B128AB2-BBD9-49B9-A837-F00DD80BF5D3@Isode.com> <48F2C29B.8090900@ericsson.com> <48F8EE0D.4060307@ericsson.com> <48FB9A79.8040407@gmail.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A134A70E895@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <48FDFBCB.1090508@ericsson.com> <48FE4681.4070006@gmail.com> <5333EA69-337F-4373-A247-1852B61D96C0@daork.net> <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> <4967C803.7060803@gmail.com> <8AAA7487-A80F-41CE-92C5-F8E189D5D3B1@daork.net> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1056AAA7D@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 10/01/2009, at 12:08 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: >> Hmm, it's probably worth noting that I'm talking about Windows hosts >> here. Linux hosts with a Teredo stack installed will not try ISATAP >> first. > > I may be able to help with that. Tell me what behavior > you want out of ISATAP on linux, and I'll code it... Support in major distributions seems like a good first step. I note that your code is now in 2.6.mumble though, that's a positive step. While we're here, OS X and BSD support would be nice too. There seems to be a bit of a lack of coherent vision for IPv6 support in OSes other than Windows. There are components - ie. 6to4, Teredo and ISATAP code - however there doesn't seem to be anything to relate them to one another so that 'end users' without a bunch of knowledge can use this stuff. A good first step would be to install+configure all three together as part of the "Enable IPv6" option. Along with that, take a DHCPv6 client, etc. etc. "Enable IPv6" in most OSes means do stateless autoconfig for native IPv6, and that's it. -- Nathan Ward From mgill5@alston.com Sun Jan 11 03:48:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B7228C101 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.925 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.925 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZjp9UzfzWBa for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from c-30-249-233-89.3.cust.bredband2.com (c-30-249-233-89.3.cust.bredband2.com [89.233.249.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BE9203A6991 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:48:47 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: RE: Message 32568 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090111114847.BE9203A6991@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:48:47 -0800 (PST)
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Jan 11 12:40:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2163A6940 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:40:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.965, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7MYucK-kpPUx for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B8E3A67B6 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LM71l-0008YW-6u for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:35:21 +0000 Received: from [209.85.198.236] (helo=rv-out-0506.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LM71g-0008Xx-BL for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:35:18 +0000 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so10637175rvf.41 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:35:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BnWYSJ9rKmwLfBVRrTroLygj+HNo/51Lm0+4iQJvvWc=; b=vdgnVKfDAwqxC4TRyZ1KpT/L3jCsy0ys0jCc2dwDnU9yOhUVQkuGj3T+lRg0o2K0S7 rUyMGQbmLKydhURTkqNX526t2SR1HRZJtoPZ69XNWDhsrywFi38Uip34wkdCGsSwGQ32 d4CuXy8HmA+v2PS5o4m4t58oN7CzG7UAEAnO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=k8DoqIGHSmKR1eQKQvf6jtUa5RjxOPememyxnAO7/wMT13ocO3XZvu5/k/iKQjl3hO x9uvXlw0yUXCkNmXi0fkz6Poa4E+3MwLHPixMb2gP7bvzAWZ2fQN7AaHRkK0CHcCdCvc 8rGbnz/kLr9reXuDET13VecN5p9e7wRCsWFAY= Received: by 10.141.198.9 with SMTP id a9mr13988657rvq.248.1231706115543; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm10029363rvf.9.2009.01.11.12.35.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:35:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <496A57FF.1000600@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:35:11 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Ward CC: "Templin, Fred L" , Suresh Krishnan , Christian Huitema , Kurt Zeilenga , Pasi Eronen , Tim Polk , secdir@mit.edu, Jim_Hoagland@symantec.com, Dave Thaler , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns References: <8B128AB2-BBD9-49B9-A837-F00DD80BF5D3@Isode.com> <48F2C29B.8090900@ericsson.com> <48F8EE0D.4060307@ericsson.com> <48FB9A79.8040407@gmail.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A134A70E895@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <48FDFBCB.1090508@ericsson.com> <48FE4681.4070006@gmail.com> <5333EA69-337F-4373-A247-1852B61D96C0@daork.net> <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> <4967C803.7060803@gmail.com> <8AAA7487-A80F-41CE-92C5-F8E189D5D3B1@daork.net> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1056AAA7D@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 2009-01-11 18:13, Nathan Ward wrote: > On 10/01/2009, at 12:08 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > >>> Hmm, it's probably worth noting that I'm talking about Windows hosts >>> here. Linux hosts with a Teredo stack installed will not try ISATAP >>> first. >> >> I may be able to help with that. Tell me what behavior >> you want out of ISATAP on linux, and I'll code it... > > > Support in major distributions seems like a good first step. I note that > your code is now in 2.6.mumble though, that's a positive step. > > While we're here, OS X and BSD support would be nice too. > > There seems to be a bit of a lack of coherent vision for IPv6 support in > OSes other than Windows. There are components - ie. 6to4, Teredo and > ISATAP code - however there doesn't seem to be anything to relate them > to one another so that 'end users' without a bunch of knowledge can use > this stuff. A good first step would be to install+configure all three > together as part of the "Enable IPv6" option. Along with that, take a > DHCPv6 client, etc. etc. > "Enable IPv6" in most OSes means do stateless autoconfig for native > IPv6, and that's it. Because that was the ~1996 vision, and the current vision hasn't really been articulated clearly (RFC4294 is really just a laundry list). Kudos to Microsoft, but perhaps the IETF needs to write down what's needed. 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Sincerely, Mr Neff From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 12 14:22:38 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD90A3A6A03 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:22:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.888, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IcV4IQqBL7c6 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F8D3A6A09 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LMV4I-000D7I-2F for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:15:34 +0000 Received: from [130.76.32.69] (helo=blv-smtpout-01.boeing.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LMV48-000D6N-SB for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:15:31 +0000 Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (stl-av-01.boeing.com [192.76.190.6]) by blv-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/8.14.0/SMTPOUT) with ESMTP id n0CMEUs7023709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id n0CMEUDx024260; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:14:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.14.0/8.14.0/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id n0CMEFIX023795; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:14:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.54.35]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:14:27 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:09:38 -0800 Message-ID: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1056AB0C6@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns Thread-Index: Aclzq0sAt29UE4hpT6W/IIzaoD8OygBVV8/w References: <8B128AB2-BBD9-49B9-A837-F00DD80BF5D3@Isode.com> <48F2C29B.8090900@ericsson.com> <48F8EE0D.4060307@ericsson.com> <48FB9A79.8040407@gmail.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A134A70E895@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <48FDFBCB.1090508@ericsson.com> <48FE4681.4070006@gmail.com> <5333EA69-337F-4373-A247-1852B61D96C0@daork.net> <48FF8AEC.9060708@gmail.com> <4D50A24E-E6AD-4096-895B-E4084EBEFB19@daork.net> <4967C803.7060803@gmail.com> <8AAA7487-A80F-41CE-92C5-F8E189D5D3B1@daork.net> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1056AAA7D@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Templin, Fred L" To: "Nathan Ward" Cc: "Brian E Carpenter" , "Suresh Krishnan" , "Christian Huitema" , "Kurt Zeilenga" , "Pasi Eronen" , "Tim Polk" , , , "Dave Thaler" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2009 22:14:27.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[2259EC40:01C97503] Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Nathan, >-----Original Message----- >From: Nathan Ward [mailto:v6ops@daork.net] >Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:13 PM >To: Templin, Fred L >Cc: Brian E Carpenter; Suresh Krishnan; Christian Huitema; Kurt Zeilenga; Pasi Eronen; Tim Polk; >secdir@mit.edu; Jim_Hoagland@symantec.com; Dave Thaler; v6ops@ops.ietf.org >Subject: Re: SECDIR review: draft-ietf-v6ops-tunnel-concerns > >On 10/01/2009, at 12:08 PM, Templin, Fred L wrote: > >>> Hmm, it's probably worth noting that I'm talking about Windows hosts >>> here. Linux hosts with a Teredo stack installed will not try ISATAP >>> first. >> >> I may be able to help with that. Tell me what behavior >> you want out of ISATAP on linux, and I'll code it... > > >Support in major distributions seems like a good first step. I note >that your code is now in 2.6.mumble though, that's a positive step. > >While we're here, OS X and BSD support would be nice too. I'll check and see if there is still a FBSD port. If not, and if someone wants to port the linux implementation, that would be fine with me. Otherwise, I'll put it on my todo list. Thanks - Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com >There seems to be a bit of a lack of coherent vision for IPv6 support >in OSes other than Windows. There are components - ie. 6to4, Teredo >and ISATAP code - however there doesn't seem to be anything to relate >them to one another so that 'end users' without a bunch of knowledge >can use this stuff. A good first step would be to install+configure >all three together as part of the "Enable IPv6" option. Along with >that, take a DHCPv6 client, etc. etc. >"Enable IPv6" in most OSes means do stateless autoconfig for native >IPv6, and that's it. > >-- >Nathan Ward > > > From jbrown@amec-connectionallay.org Tue Jan 13 01:13:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835B73A677C for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:13:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -21.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-21.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mE3kfwMs44P5 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from host92-37-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it (host92-37-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it [79.7.37.92]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8830A3A6851 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:13:27 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Your order 92071 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090113091328.8830A3A6851@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:13:27 -0800 (PST)
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 15 10:43:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB1628C28E for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.442 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.442 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.947, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x16HXl3pwJlz for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E1028C29C for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:43:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LNX62-000DAn-BV for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:37:38 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.117] (helo=sj-iport-6.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LNX5w-000DAL-Rx for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:37:35 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,271,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="230600096" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jan 2009 18:37:29 +0000 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0FIbTTR023554; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:37:29 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FIbTEX013833; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:37:29 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:37:23 -0800 Received: from [42.221.85.66] ([10.21.126.95]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:37:23 -0800 Message-Id: <17CD10D1-40D8-40B7-8177-4B7768068AD9@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Teredo WGLC Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:37:23 -0800 Cc: kurtis@kurtis.pp.se, rbonica@juniper.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2009 18:37:23.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E93EF60:01C97740] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=800; t=1232044649; x=1232908649; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; z=From:=20Fred=20Baker=20 |Subject:=20Teredo=20WGLC |Sender:=20; bh=LwfPtrcrG6svYRRW5HMPuQ5lO2UlTeYqPP0eHmBzHGY=; b=IdO8CwYtY9NtKkuzVP6mXIcygCFhkJ1O8dK7WdhBgnxcf/5HPcUTPbEd3i fiVVw0tSthw0HkHQhltf/eptXzzURdbl3WvjtgCE5LHSxyrNfm1dt+Br2ykV /ehEeCv4wX; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=fred@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: This is to initiate a two week working group last call of draft- krishnan-v6ops-teredo-update-04.txt and draft-thaler-v6ops-teredo- extensions-02.txt. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 11:02:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0052828C102 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:02:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.285 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.285 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.849, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M2TQDYkG3Bc7 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D782D3A67A3 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPiFg-000Ptn-NV for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:56:36 +0000 Received: from [129.83.20.191] (helo=smtp-bedford.mitre.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPiFW-000Pt8-C9 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:56:33 +0000 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LIuOxQ005054 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:25 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LIuOgx005015; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:24 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:24 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , 6man mailing list CC: "Grayeli, Parisa" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Dunn, Jeffrey H." , "Liou, Chern" , "Huang, Frank" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:23 -0500 Subject: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QA== Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: --_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colleagues, We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that different oper= ating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found that the "pi= ng" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is set to 1280 a= nd a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed path. The hosts = we tested: 1. Send one or two un-fragmented echo requests 2. Receive the "Packet Too Big" ICMPv6 message from the first interfac= e with the 1280 octet MTU 3. Begin to send echo requests in two fragments The following questions occurred to us: 1. Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragment= s? 2. If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waited for= a response in support of PMTUD? Any assistance you can provide, especially commercial specification for shi= pping product or other applications, would be most helpful. Many thanks in = advance. Best Regards, Jeffrey Dunn Info Systems Eng., Lead Center for Enterprise Modernization MITRE Corp. 301-429-5377 (Office) 301-731-8862 (FAX) --_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 1.      Send one or two un-fragmented echo requests<= /font>

2.      Receive the “Packet Too Big” ICMPv6 message from t= he first interface with the 1280 octet MTU

3.      Begin to send echo requests in two fragments=

= 1.      Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragments?

2.      If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waite= d for a response in support of PMTUD?

=  

--_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 11:35:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AF53A6A5C for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:35:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OVCepIAjwq5S for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA093A6A4A for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPipd-0002KO-Aj for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:33:45 +0000 Received: from [2001:41d0:1:a0d6::401:1983] (helo=yop.chewa.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPipS-0002JW-8p for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:33:42 +0000 Received: from basile.remlab.net (unknown [IPv6:2002:591b:3e27:0:211:11ff:fe25:e6b4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: remi) by yop.chewa.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437D2492; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:33:33 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?q?R=C3=A9mi_Denis-Courmont?= Organization: Remlab.net To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:33:27 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 Cc: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "Grayeli, Parisa" References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Le mercredi 21 janvier 2009 20:56:23 Dunn, Jeffrey H., vous avez =C3=A9crit= =C2=A0: > Colleagues, > > We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that different > operating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found that t= he > "ping" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is set to > 1280 and a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed path. The > hosts we tested: I'm afraid ping applications are not representative of what the operating=20 system IP stacks do. Besides, there are no standards regarding the behavior= =20 of "ping" in case of Path MTU problems; it's really up to the implementor o= f=20 each "ping" whether to report an error or to transparently fragment. The behavior of real transport protocols, such as TCP, DCCP and SCTP is mor= e=20 interesting when it comes to evaluating operating systems and their IP=20 stacks. =2D-=20 R=C3=A9mi Denis-Courmont http://www.remlab.net/ From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 11:45:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041633A68EF for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:45:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.871, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4dU52Q1TcL9N for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F943A68CD for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPizx-00032s-T3 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:44:25 +0000 Received: from [129.83.20.191] (helo=smtp-bedford.mitre.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPizs-00032W-Db for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:44:22 +0000 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LJiJYm024359 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:44:19 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LJiJbW024354; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:44:19 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:44:19 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." 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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:44:18 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7/ydWCvtgY5A/T6q3ntngvMF7EQAATi2w Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> In-Reply-To: <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: UsOpbWksDQoNCkkgYWdyZWUgd2l0aCB5b3UgYXNzZXJ0aW9ucyBjb25jZXJuaW5nICJwaW5nIiB2 ZXJzdXMgVENQOyBob3dldmVyLCBJIGFtIGxvb2tpbmcgZm9yIHNvbWUgY29uY3JldGUgZG9jdW1l bnRhdGlvbiBvciBleHBlcmllbmNlcy4NCg0KQmVzdCBSZWdhcmRzLCANCsKgIA0KSmVmZnJleSBE dW5uIA0KSW5mbyBTeXN0ZW1zIEVuZy4sIExlYWQgDQpNSVRSRSBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbi4NCigzMDEp IDQ0OC02OTY1IChtb2JpbGUpDQoNCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206 IFLDqW1pIERlbmlzLUNvdXJtb250IFttYWlsdG86cmRlbmlzQHNpbXBoYWxlbXBpbi5jb21dIA0K U2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDIxLCAyMDA5IDI6MzMgUE0NClRvOiBpcHY2QGlldGYu b3JnDQpDYzogRHVubiwgSmVmZnJleSBILjsgaXB2Ni1ib3VuY2VzQGlldGYub3JnOyB2Nm9wc0Bv cHMuaWV0Zi5vcmc7IFNoZXJtYW4sIEt1cnQgVC47IExpb3UsIENoZXJuOyBzdGV2ZV9laXNlcm1h bkB1c2NvdXJ0cy5nb3Y7IEh1YW5nLCBGcmFuazsgR3JheWVsaSwgUGFyaXNhDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBS ZTogRW5kIFN5c3RlbSBQTVRVRCBiZWhhdmlvciBxdWVzdGlvbg0KDQpMZSBtZXJjcmVkaSAyMSBq YW52aWVyIDIwMDkgMjA6NTY6MjMgRHVubiwgSmVmZnJleSBILiwgdm91cyBhdmV6IMOpY3JpdMKg Og0KPiBDb2xsZWFndWVzLA0KPg0KPiBXZSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gcGVyZm9ybWluZyBzb21lIFBNVFVE IHRlc3RzIGFuZCBoYXZlIGZvdW5kIHRoYXQgZGlmZmVyZW50DQo+IG9wZXJhdGluZyBzeXN0ZW1z IGhhbmRsZSBQTVRVRCBkaWZmZXJlbnRseS4gU3BlY2lmaWNhbGx5LCB3ZSBmb3VuZCB0aGF0IHRo ZQ0KPiAicGluZyIgYXBwbGljYXRpb24gYmVoYXZlcyBpbiB0aGUgZm9sbG93aW5nIHdheSB3aGVu IHRoZSBQTVRVIGlzIHNldCB0bw0KPiAxMjgwIGFuZCBhIDE1MDAgb2N0ZXQgSUNNUHY2IGVjaG8g cmVxdWVzdCBpcyBzZW50IHRvIHRoYXQgcm91dGVkIHBhdGguIFRoZQ0KPiBob3N0cyB3ZSB0ZXN0 ZWQ6DQoNCkknbSBhZnJhaWQgcGluZyBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMgYXJlIG5vdCByZXByZXNlbnRhdGl2 ZSBvZiB3aGF0IHRoZSBvcGVyYXRpbmcgDQpzeXN0ZW0gSVAgc3RhY2tzIGRvLiBCZXNpZGVzLCB0 aGVyZSBhcmUgbm8gc3RhbmRhcmRzIHJlZ2FyZGluZyB0aGUgYmVoYXZpb3IgDQpvZiAicGluZyIg aW4gY2FzZSBvZiBQYXRoIE1UVSBwcm9ibGVtczsgaXQncyByZWFsbHkgdXAgdG8gdGhlIGltcGxl bWVudG9yIG9mIA0KZWFjaCAicGluZyIgd2hldGhlciB0byByZXBvcnQgYW4gZXJyb3Igb3IgdG8g dHJhbnNwYXJlbnRseSBmcmFnbWVudC4NCg0KDQpUaGUgYmVoYXZpb3Igb2YgcmVhbCB0cmFuc3Bv cnQgcHJvdG9jb2xzLCBzdWNoIGFzIFRDUCwgRENDUCBhbmQgU0NUUCBpcyBtb3JlIA0KaW50ZXJl c3Rpbmcgd2hlbiBpdCBjb21lcyB0byBldmFsdWF0aW5nIG9wZXJhdGluZyBzeXN0ZW1zIGFuZCB0 aGVpciBJUCANCnN0YWNrcy4NCg0KLS0gDQpSw6ltaSBEZW5pcy1Db3VybW9udA0KaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5yZW1sYWIubmV0Lw0K From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 12:39:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4983A69ED for ; 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d="scan'208";a="131838859" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jan 2009 20:36:06 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0LKa6cY001366; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:36:06 -0800 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0LKa5if013425; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:36:06 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20e.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.40]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:36:05 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:35:16 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QAACmYbg References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> From: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." , , , "6man mailing list" Cc: "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , , "Huang, Frank" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2009 20:36:05.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1FF9AD0:01C97C07] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1348; t=1232570166; x=1233434166; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=shemant@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20End=20System=20PMTUD=20behavior=20quest ion |Sender:=20; bh=5VcY43xFzxCP+Hg7gwu5fG4zFKyh0ND6GiJqnqyBUCQ=; b=ufrza3ekF5veDe40jDmKro5mNoqsul7uTdtRW1mnudt9p3uDb8T1CTQbcs T9inGJTB9tpgGb9wVlX4+9ISk+Hmn2HZScEUBWPvuc1qQ11fP1H5/bUcdt+m NyecpZ9oN6; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=shemant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: > The following questions occurred to us: > 1. Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragments?=20 If the ICMPv6 echo reqs were being used for PMTUD, the answer should be a No. The host just received an Indication of Too Big that also said the PMTU is 1280, so the host should be sending any subsequent packets keeping PMTU of 1280 in mind without have to fragment. Then my question is, if ICMPv6 is not being used for PMTUD, then for what purpose is ICMPv6 being used such that an ICMPv6 req of 1500 is needed when a req of size 1280 can be sent? > 2. If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waited for a response in support of PMTUD?=20 PMTUD does recommend a host send a probe and wait for a timeout interval before sending another probe. The RFCs recommend five times larger timeout value that the normal timeout of the protocol/app being used to probe. So, say, the ICMPv6 timeout being used in your test is 2 secs, then the host should wait for 10 secs for a reply. See RFC 4821 for timeout recommendations for how long to wait for a probe reply. In your test case, I have got to believe, the Too Big error reached the host in 10 secs of sending the ICMPv6 req - the first hop router is most likely to catch the Too Big condition and respond to the probe. 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To: Thomas Peterson CC: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" , "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:24:18 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl8AumHvABBPVEsRNuqz40l5WxhqwAE/RWA Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Thomas, We would be happy to see any results you may have concerning application be= havior during PMTUD.=20 Best Regards,=20 =A0=20 Jeffrey Dunn=20 Info Systems Eng., Lead=20 MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:00 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; L= iou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.i= etf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Hi Jeffrey, This is Thomas Peterson from the InterOperability Laboratory at UNH. We have done extensive testing in this area and would be happy to work =20 with you off line to examine this scenario. If you would like we can even set up your test topology in our lab. Thanks, Tom On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > R=E9mi, > > I agree with you assertions concerning "ping" versus TCP; however, I =20 > am looking for some concrete documentation or experiences. > > Best Regards, > > Jeffrey Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont [mailto:rdenis@simphalempin.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:33 PM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Cc: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; =20 > Sherman, Kurt T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; Huang, =20 > Frank; Grayeli, Parisa > Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question > > Le mercredi 21 janvier 2009 20:56:23 Dunn, Jeffrey H., vous avez =20 > =E9crit : >> Colleagues, >> >> We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that =20 >> different >> operating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found =20 >> that the >> "ping" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is =20 >> set to >> 1280 and a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed =20 >> path. The >> hosts we tested: > > I'm afraid ping applications are not representative of what the =20 > operating > system IP stacks do. Besides, there are no standards regarding the =20 > behavior > of "ping" in case of Path MTU problems; it's really up to the =20 > implementor of > each "ping" whether to report an error or to transparently fragment. > > > The behavior of real transport protocols, such as TCP, DCCP and SCTP =20 > is more > interesting when it comes to evaluating operating systems and their IP > stacks. > > --=20 > R=E9mi Denis-Courmont > http://www.remlab.net/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 14:37:13 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D36328C129 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:37:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.071 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.071 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.634, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cgiPTH9sXX-5 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540693A6998 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPlfv-000DgS-OW for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:35:55 +0000 Received: from [129.83.20.191] (helo=smtp-bedford.mitre.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LPlfo-000Dg2-KM for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:35:52 +0000 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LMZlc5016137 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:35:48 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LMZlkI016132; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:35:47 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:35:47 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" CC: "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "Grayeli, Parisa" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , 6man mailing list , "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:35:46 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QAACmYbgAASrC5A= Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hemant, I do not understand your answer to question 1. How would the purpose of a = user sending ICMPv6 echo requests bear on system behavior? Also, unless the= operating system has a facility to pass the PMTU size to the application, = e.g., the MMS_S value mentioned in RFC 1981, AND the application can make u= se of the information. There is no expectation that the application, e.g., = DNS, or the layer above IPv6, e.g., UDP, can make use of the information in= RFC 1981; therefore your assertion that the host should be sending packets= within the PMTU is unreasonable. Many thanks for pointing out RFC 4821 in answer to question 2. I had forgot= ten about that and, interestingly, it does not appear in the NIST IPv6 prof= ile, which we are using to guide our testing.=20 Best Regards,=20 =A0=20 Jeffrey Dunn=20 Info Systems Eng., Lead=20 MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Hemant Singh (shemant) [mailto:shemant@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:35 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; 6man maili= ng list Cc: Sherman, Kurt T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; Huang, Fran= k; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question > The following questions occurred to us: > 1. Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragments?=20 If the ICMPv6 echo reqs were being used for PMTUD, the answer should be a No. The host just received an Indication of Too Big that also said the PMTU is 1280, so the host should be sending any subsequent packets keeping PMTU of 1280 in mind without have to fragment. Then my question is, if ICMPv6 is not being used for PMTUD, then for what purpose is ICMPv6 being used such that an ICMPv6 req of 1500 is needed when a req of size 1280 can be sent? > 2. If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waited for a response in support of PMTUD?=20 PMTUD does recommend a host send a probe and wait for a timeout interval before sending another probe. The RFCs recommend five times larger timeout value that the normal timeout of the protocol/app being used to probe. So, say, the ICMPv6 timeout being used in your test is 2 secs, then the host should wait for 10 secs for a reply. See RFC 4821 for timeout recommendations for how long to wait for a probe reply. In your test case, I have got to believe, the Too Big error reached the host in 10 secs of sending the ICMPv6 req - the first hop router is most likely to catch the Too Big condition and respond to the probe. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 22 12:49:09 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E35028C1E6 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:49:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.824 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.824 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.776, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BfgbAucnG5bz for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526A728C223 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQ6Ns-0002A3-0t for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:42:40 +0000 Received: from [132.177.123.84] (helo=postal.iol.unh.edu) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQ6Ni-00029H-5y for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:42:36 +0000 Received: from chinacat.iol.unh.edu (chinacat.iol.unh.edu [132.177.125.46]) by postal.iol.unh.edu (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n0MKc2ai026748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:38:03 -0500 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" Message-Id: <18F8D12C-DAA0-4F30-B405-9F54C15EACB4@iol.unh.edu> From: Thomas Peterson To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-946412721 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:38:03 -0500 References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8892/Thu Jan 22 09:34:53 2009 on postal.iol.unh.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: --Apple-Mail-27-946412721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jeffrey, I have attached a picture which shows one of the topologies we use for our PMTUD tests. In this test case we transmit an Echo Request from REF-Host2 to TAR- Host1 with a packet size of 1500 bytes. REF-Host2 fragments the Echo Request it transmits. TAR-Host1 replies to this Echo Request with an Echo Reply to REF-Host2 with a size of 1500 bytes that is not fragmented. TAR-Router1 sends a Packet Too Big message in response as this Echo Reply is too large to forward onto Network 2. In all of the cases we have seen TAR-Host1 does fragment future Echo Replies to REF-Host2, however, it does not retransmit any Echo Replies for Echo Requests received prior to receiving the Packet Too Big message from TAR-Router1. Additionally from the tests we have performed in our lab if TAR-Host1 were to send an Echo Request with a packet size of 1500 bytes TAR- Router1 would send a Packet Too Big message in response. In all cases we have seen TAR-Host1 would not re-transmit this Echo Request and this would be counted as packet loss in the ping command results. If this does not ideally match your test scenario we'd be happy to work together off-line to replicate your scenario. 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Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:00 PM > To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. > Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt =20= > T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; = v6ops@ops.ietf.org=20 > ; Grayeli, Parisa > Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question > > Hi Jeffrey, > > This is Thomas Peterson from the InterOperability Laboratory at UNH. > > We have done extensive testing in this area and would be happy to work > with you off line to examine this scenario. > > If you would like we can even set up your test topology in our lab. > > Thanks, > Tom > > On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > >> R=E9mi, >> >> I agree with you assertions concerning "ping" versus TCP; however, I >> am looking for some concrete documentation or experiences. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Jeffrey Dunn >> Info Systems Eng., Lead >> MITRE Corporation. >> (301) 448-6965 (mobile) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont [mailto:rdenis@simphalempin.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:33 PM >> To: ipv6@ietf.org >> Cc: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; >> Sherman, Kurt T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; Huang, >> Frank; Grayeli, Parisa >> Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question >> >> Le mercredi 21 janvier 2009 20:56:23 Dunn, Jeffrey H., vous avez >> =E9crit : >>> Colleagues, >>> >>> We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that >>> different >>> operating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found >>> that the >>> "ping" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is >>> set to >>> 1280 and a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed >>> path. The >>> hosts we tested: >> >> I'm afraid ping applications are not representative of what the >> operating >> system IP stacks do. Besides, there are no standards regarding the >> behavior >> of "ping" in case of Path MTU problems; it's really up to the >> implementor of >> each "ping" whether to report an error or to transparently fragment. >> >> >> The behavior of real transport protocols, such as TCP, DCCP and SCTP >> is more >> interesting when it comes to evaluating operating systems and their =20= >> IP >> stacks. >> >> --=20 >> R=E9mi Denis-Courmont >> http://www.remlab.net/ >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --Apple-Mail-27-946412721-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 22 14:39:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7263A6912 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.962 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.962 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IOSWoGokThHe for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4532F3A6828 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQ89V-0009qG-92 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:35:57 +0000 Received: from [64.102.122.148] (helo=rtp-iport-1.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQ89O-0009ou-Np for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:35:53 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,308,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="34631134" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jan 2009 22:35:49 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0MMZnhn016391; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:35:49 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0MMZnb7019953; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:35:49 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20e.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.40]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:35:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QAACmYbgAASrC5AAK66ZwA== References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> From: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Cc: "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , , "Huang, Frank" , "Grayeli, Parisa" , , , "6man mailing list" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2009 22:35:48.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[C60964C0:01C97CE1] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1327; t=1232663749; x=1233527749; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=shemant@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20End=20System=20PMTUD=20behavior=20quest ion |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Dunn,=20Jeffrey=20H.=22=20; bh=Qzoi189D6imjvqRk++mdfuCQgwFrFC9omNmNjcd5JOY=; b=Z4DK5i5XNny7d/ptLA/pVPKBOdliEtHb5zAgQfM7e3AFjU1P+ciPDMFTIh 3IddZdg0Uf7qXzM2qfo7rLW4sXv5sQM94t6xc7cuetcn0I8jCMbNN1MykC/T NQL1IRto1c; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=shemant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Jeffrey, Both IPv4 and IPv6 standards recommend not to fragment. So the first impact on the system behavior for host receiving an PTB message is to try and not fragment. I have not paid attention to older RFC's. I am working off of RFC 4821 that recommends a host keep "conceptual" variables in cache at the IP layer and all other layers of code on the host may access this cache to get the current value of the MTU to be used by host. See following text from RFC 4821. [Furthermore, the natural mechanism to=20 share Path MTU information between concurrent or subsequent connections=20 is a path information cache in the IP layer. The various=20 Packetization Protocols need to have the means to access and update=20 the shared cache in the IP layer. This memo describes PLPMTUD in=20 terms of its primary subsystems without fully describing how they=20 are assembled into a complete implementation.] Also see section 5 of RFC 4821. What UNH has tested for current host behavior and so have you is because host are following older PMTU RFCs like 1981. Also, I agree with you on RFC 1981 that host may fragment if there is no easy means for the host's layers to pass MTU information back and forth. My 2 cents is for new hosts to follow RFC 4821 and not fragment packets. 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To: "Mark_Andrews@isc.org" , "Peter.Hunt@nokia.com" CC: "shemant@cisco.com" , "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" , "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:45 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl89idt4hgVSkIuTk67SSBj8+G5bAAHFQyA Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:54:39 +0200." <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> <200901230101.n0N119J0038463@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200901230101.n0N119J0038463@drugs.dv.isc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Mark, Could you elaborate on what you mean by "DNS servers just tell the kernel t= o fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/IP= v4." What is the "network MTU?" Also, to which implementations of DNS serv= er are you referring? Best Regards,=20 =A0=20 Jeffrey Dunn=20 Info Systems Eng., Lead=20 MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Mark_Andrews@isc.org [mailto:Mark_Andrews@isc.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com Cc: shemant@cisco.com; Dunn, Jeffrey H.; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; ip= v6@ietf.org; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.or= g; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question=20 In message <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com>,= Pet er.Hunt@nokia.com writes: > Hemant, > =3D20 > Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying that = =3D > we should require protocols or applications above IP to always send data = =3D > in messages small enough to avoid IP fragemntation. > =3D20 > I agree it makes sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in = =3D > IP's cache when it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly =3D > reasonable, as it's already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For = =3D > protocols which are already packetized, though, I think it's less =3D > advantageous to burden them (or the application using them) with the =3D > problem of fragmentation and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation. > =3D20 > For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU = =3D > is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping =3D > application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to = =3D > do so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them as =3D > "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require changes = =3D > to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really =3D > doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respectively. > =3D20 > In the case of an application which sends records in single UDP frames, = =3D > to avoid fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized =3D > chuncks, and come up with a way at the destination to identify and =3D > reassemble the chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given =3D > that IPv6 has a perfectly good mechanism to do this already. > =3D20 For the record. DNS servers just tell the kernel to fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/IPv4. DNS clients don't usually generate packets big enough to be a issue. If they do need to send a big (> 512) message they usually just switch straight to TCP to avoid having to probe the server to see how big a UDP message it will handle. > So I think the behaviour observed by Thomas during his testing is =3D > correct. I don't think ping or ICMPv6 should reduce the ICMP message =3D > size to avoid IP fragmentation. > =3D20 > Peter Hunt > Software Engineer > Nokia S&S. > =3D20 >=20 > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > RE: End System PMTUD behavior =3D > question=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > =3D0= A=3D > =3D0A=3D >
=3D0A=3D >
size=3D3D2>Hemant,
=3D0A=3D >
 
=3D0A=3D >
Forgive me if I'= ve =3D > misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying that we should require = =3D > protocols or applications above IP to always send data in messages small = =3D > enough to avoid IP fragemntation.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
I agree it makes= =3D > sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in IP's cache when = =3D > it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly reasonable, as it's = =3D > already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For protocols which are = =3D > already packetized, though, I think it's less advantageous to burden =3D > them (or the application using them) with the problem of fragmentation = =3D > and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
For example, if = a =3D > user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU is 1280, the only = =3D > way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping application to split the = =3D > data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to do so. Either way, you =3D > have to introduce some way to identify them as "ping fragments" and =3D > reassemble them in order. That will require changes to the ICMPv6 =3D > protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really doing = =3D > a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, =3D > respectively.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
In the case of a= n =3D > application which sends records in single UDP frames, to avoid =3D > fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized chuncks, and =3D > come up with a way at the destination to identify and reassemble the =3D > chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given that IPv6 has a =3D > perfectly good mechanism to do this already.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
So I think the = =3D > behaviour observed by Thomas during his testing is correct. I don't =3D > think ping or ICMPv6 should reduce the ICMP message size to avoid IP =3D > fragmentation.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
Peter =3D > Hunt
=3D0A=3D >
Software =3D > Engineer
=3D0A=3D >
Nokia =3D > S&S.
=3D0A=3D >
 
> ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD-- >=20 > --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D0174434914=3D=3D > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D0174434914=3D=3D-- --=20 Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Jan 22 22:07:40 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B003A6801 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:07:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LzIerGx6JEKQ for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883CF3A689C for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQF9W-000NDL-Oz for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:04:26 +0000 Received: from [2001:670:86:3001::1] (helo=netcore.fi) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQF9R-000NCo-03 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:04:24 +0000 Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0N63JwZ005027; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:03:19 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id n0N63Ir8005023; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:03:18 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:03:18 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com cc: shemant@cisco.com, jdunn@mitre.org, fhuang@mitre.org, ksherman@mitre.org, ipv6@ietf.org, csliou@mitre.org, steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov, ipv6@ietf.org, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, pgrayeli@mitre.org Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question In-Reply-To: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> Message-ID: References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG><3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1589707168-1135482102-1232690599=:4544" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8893/Thu Jan 22 22:18:43 2009 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1589707168-1135482102-1232690599=:4544 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Peter.Hunt@nokia.com wrote: > For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping > application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to do so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them > as "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require changes to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer > really doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respectively. FWIW, what Remi said, different ping programs probably do this differently. And good ones allow you to do exactly what you want (this is from Linux) -M hint Select Path MTU Discovery strategy. hint may be either _do_ (prohibit fragmentation, even local one), _want_ (do PMTU discovery, fragment locally when packet size is large), or _dont_ (do not set DF flag). When I use ping to figure out Path MTU issue, I usually have to run tcpdump on the side to be 100% sure how ping is actually behaving, because additionally, there's also PMTU caching on the local host. Some older versions also didn't support '-M do' properly for IPv6. So there are quite a few things that could lead to non-deterministic behaviour. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 23 04:10:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CA03A6843 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.459, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FRT_STOCK2=3.988, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RoXwfOd41URm for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3793A69C7 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQKne-0001b9-TI for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:06:14 +0000 Received: from [129.83.20.191] (helo=smtp-bedford.mitre.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQKnZ-0001a7-ES for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:06:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NC65w0013166 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:08 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NC65gC013160; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:05 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:05 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "Mark_Andrews@isc.org" CC: "Peter.Hunt@nokia.com" , "shemant@cisco.com" , "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" , "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:03 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl9FDkLNonOErpYTFKHM4HeUN959AAPPtMg Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD71AA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:45 CDT." <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901230436.n0N4akbE042009@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200901230436.n0N4akbE042009@drugs.dv.isc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Mark, Fair enough, it appears the short answer to which implementation you know o= f is BIND (I assume 9.x). With respect to IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU, I thought the v= alue for this was 1280. If so, this simply circumvents PMTUD and uses the I= Pv6 minimum MTU. Best Regards,=20 =A0=20 Jeffrey Dunn=20 Info Systems Eng., Lead=20 MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Mark_Andrews@isc.org [mailto:Mark_Andrews@isc.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:37 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. Cc: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com; shemant@cisco.com; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.= ; ipv6@ietf.org; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@iet= f.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question=20 In message <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG>, = "Dun n, Jeffrey H." writes: > Mark, >=20 > Could you elaborate on what you mean by "DNS servers just tell the kernel= t=3D > o fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/= IP=3D > v4." What is the "network MTU?" Also, to which implementations of DNS se= rv=3D > er are you referring? Cut-and-pasted from BIND's bsd socket implementation. Mark #ifdef IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU /* RFC 3542, not too common yet*/ /* use minimum MTU */ if (sock->pf =3D=3D AF_INET6) { (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IPV6, IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU, (void *)&on, sizeof(on)); } #endif #if defined(IP_MTU_DISCOVER) && defined(IP_PMTUDISC_DONT) /* * Turn off Path MTU discovery on IPv4/UDP sockets. */ if (sock->pf =3D=3D AF_INET) { int action =3D IP_PMTUDISC_DONT; (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_MTU_DISCO= VER, &action, sizeof(action)); } #endif #if defined(IP_DONTFRAG) /* * Turn off Path MTU discovery on IPv4/UDP sockets. */ if (sock->pf =3D=3D AF_INET) { int off =3D 0; (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_DONTFRAG, &off, sizeof(off)); } #endif =20 > Best Regards,=3D20 > =3DA0=3D20 > Jeffrey Dunn=3D20 > Info Systems Eng., Lead=3D20 > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) --=20 Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org From csmith@youthservicebureau.net Fri Jan 23 05:56:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEDD3A6858; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:56:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -57.835 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-57.835 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lm+8vmM9K7+e; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from 212-95-32-105.internetserviceteam.com (unknown [78.188.106.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7338F3A6867; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:56:49 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 70.216.70.84 by smtp.212.95.32.105; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:56:18 -0100 Message-ID: Subject: Looking for a rep watch? 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To: Pekka Savola , "Peter.Hunt@nokia.com" CC: "shemant@cisco.com" , "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" , "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:36:01 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl9IGzTCda24YBvSU2ZWaibZ9epxgARzCxg Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD72F0@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG><3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Pekka, Good point. We use Wireshark to capture the send/receive sequence on the h= ost. In addition, we reboot the machine between tests to ensure the PMTU ca= che is cleared, since we have show that, once learned, the host will immedi= ately send fragmented ICMPv6 echo requests within the PMTU size. Best Regards,=20 =A0=20 Jeffrey Dunn=20 Info Systems Eng., Lead=20 MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Pekka Savola [mailto:pekkas@netcore.fi]=20 Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:03 AM To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com Cc: shemant@cisco.com; Dunn, Jeffrey H.; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; ip= v6@ietf.org; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6@ietf.org; v6ops= @ops.ietf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Peter.Hunt@nokia.com wrote: > For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU = is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping > application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to d= o so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them > as "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require chang= es to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think.=A0Furthermore,=A0you're no longer > really doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respecti= vely. FWIW, what Remi said, different ping programs probably do this=20 differently. And good ones allow you to do exactly what you want=20 (this is from Linux) -M hint Select Path MTU Discovery strategy. hint may be either _do_= (prohibit fragmentation, even local one), _want_ (do PMTU discovery, fragment locally when packet size is large), or _= dont_ (do not set DF flag). When I use ping to figure out Path MTU issue, I usually have to run=20 tcpdump on the side to be 100% sure how ping is actually behaving,=20 because additionally, there's also PMTU caching on the local host.=20 Some older versions also didn't support '-M do' properly for IPv6. So there are quite a few things that could lead to non-deterministic=20 behaviour. --=20 Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 23 06:56:50 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D376A28C1CC for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:56:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.808 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.808 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.371, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TkaMF+fOpaoa for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E970528C1C7 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQNQq-000HAv-4v for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:54:52 +0000 Received: from [129.83.20.191] (helo=smtp-bedford.mitre.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQNQi-000HA7-8R for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 14:54:46 +0000 Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NEsgQg026732 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:43 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NEsg2J026729; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:42 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:42 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: Thomas Peterson CC: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" , "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:41 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl80VYqdrLkaTMlRAetAiyxL5Cq/wAmQSxw Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7322@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <18F8D12C-DAA0-4F30-B405-9F54C15EACB4@iol.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <18F8D12C-DAA0-4F30-B405-9F54C15EACB4@iol.unh.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Tom, Many thanks for the information. Could you tell me the OS variants on the h= osts and router? Also, do you have any tests involving applications? I wil= l send you an off-line e-mail to discuss possible additional testing. Best Regards,=20 =A0=20 Jeffrey Dunn=20 Info Systems Eng., Lead=20 MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:38 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; L= iou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.i= etf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Hi Jeffrey, I have attached a picture which shows one of the topologies we use for =20 our PMTUD tests. In this test case we transmit an Echo Request from REF-Host2 to TAR-=20 Host1 with a packet size of 1500 bytes. REF-Host2 fragments the Echo =20 Request it transmits. TAR-Host1 replies to this Echo Request with an =20 Echo Reply to REF-Host2 with a size of 1500 bytes that is not =20 fragmented. TAR-Router1 sends a Packet Too Big message in response as =20 this Echo Reply is too large to forward onto Network 2. In all of the cases we have seen TAR-Host1 does fragment future Echo =20 Replies to REF-Host2, however, it does not retransmit any Echo Replies =20 for Echo Requests received prior to receiving the Packet Too Big =20 message from TAR-Router1. Additionally from the tests we have performed in our lab if TAR-Host1 =20 were to send an Echo Request with a packet size of 1500 bytes TAR-=20 Router1 would send a Packet Too Big message in response. In all cases =20 we have seen TAR-Host1 would not re-transmit this Echo Request and =20 this would be counted as packet loss in the ping command results. If this does not ideally match your test scenario we'd be happy to =20 work together off-line to replicate your scenario. Thanks, Tom From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Jan 23 08:57:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BBB3A6AD4 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:57:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.63 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.63 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.582, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0UtFYd6Zee9T for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC22D3A6880 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQPHH-00020v-AC for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:53:07 +0000 Received: from [132.177.123.84] (helo=postal.iol.unh.edu) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LQPH2-0001yO-C5 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:53:03 +0000 Received: from chinacat.iol.unh.edu (chinacat.iol.unh.edu [132.177.125.46]) by postal.iol.unh.edu (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n0NGoka8016920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:50:47 -0500 Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Denis-Courmont?= , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" Message-Id: From: Thomas Peterson To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7322@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:50:47 -0500 References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <18F8D12C-DAA0-4F30-B405-9F54C15EACB4@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7322@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8897/Fri Jan 23 07:59:36 2009 on postal.iol.unh.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi Jeffrey, Here is a link to the list of all of the different hosts that we have =20= performed this testing on: http://www.iol.unh.edu/services/testing/ipv6/equipment.php Currently we use the ping application to test PTMUD, however, we would =20= be interested in performing addition tests using various applications. Thanks, Tom On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > Tom, > > Many thanks for the information. Could you tell me the OS variants =20 > on the hosts and router? Also, do you have any tests involving =20 > applications? I will send you an off-line e-mail to discuss =20 > possible additional testing. > > Best Regards, > > Jeffrey Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:38 PM > To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. > Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt =20= > T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; = v6ops@ops.ietf.org=20 > ; Grayeli, Parisa > Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question > > Hi Jeffrey, > > I have attached a picture which shows one of the topologies we use for > our PMTUD tests. > > In this test case we transmit an Echo Request from REF-Host2 to TAR- > Host1 with a packet size of 1500 bytes. REF-Host2 fragments the Echo > Request it transmits. TAR-Host1 replies to this Echo Request with an > Echo Reply to REF-Host2 with a size of 1500 bytes that is not > fragmented. 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