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I= t is concerned with routing loop attacks on ISATAP and 6to4 that=A0may caus= e=A0DoS.=A0The I-D=A0proposes some mitigation measures, which are the resul= t of discussions made on the list a few months ago. The draft is co-authore= d with Fred Templin.=0A=0AYour comments are welcome.=0A=0AGabi=0A=0Ahttp://= www.ietf.org/id/draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops-01.txt=0A=0A=0A----- Forwa= rded Message ----=0AFrom: IETF I-D Submission Tool = =0ATo: gnakibly@yahoo.com=0ASent: Mon, February 1, 2010 9:07:38 PM=0ASubjec= t: New Version Notification for draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops-01=0A=0A= =0AA new version of I-D, draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops-01.txt has been s= uccessfuly submitted by Gabi Nakibly and posted to the IETF repository.=0A= =0AFilename:=A0=A0=A0 draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops=0ARevision:=A0=A0=A0= 01=0ATitle:=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 Routing Loops using ISATAP and 6to4: Proble= m Statement and Proposed Solutions=0ACreation_date:=A0=A0=A0 2010-02-01=0AW= G ID:=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 Independent Submission=0ANumber_of_pages: 13=0A=0A= Abstract:=0AThis document is concerned with security vulnerabilities in the= =0AISATAP and 6to4 tunnels.=A0 These vulnerabilities allow an attacker to= =0Atake advantage of inconsistencies between a tunnel's overlay IPv6=0Arout= ing state and the native IPv6 routing state.=A0 The attacks form=0Arouting = loops which can be abused as a vehicle for traffic=0Aamplification to facil= itate DoS attacks.=A0 We describe these security=0Avulnerabilities and the = attacks which exploit them.=A0 We further=0Arecommend on solutions to remov= e the vulnerabilities.=0A=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A=0A=0AThe IETF Secretariat.=0A= =0A=0A --0-2116875494-1265052303=:92805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
=0A
I would like to draw your attention to a new= version of an I-D. It is concerned with routing loop attacks on ISATAP and= 6to4 that may cause DoS. The I-D proposes some mitigat= ion measures, which are the result of discussions made on the list a few mo= nths ago. The draft is co-authored with Fred Templin.
=0A
 =0A
Your comments are welcome.
=0A
 
=0A
Gab= i
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A new ve= rsion of I-D, draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops-01.txt has been successfuly = submitted by Gabi Nakibly and posted to the IETF repository.

Filenam= e:    draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops
Revision: &nb= sp;  01
Title:        Routing Loops u= sing ISATAP and 6to4: Problem Statement and Proposed Solutions
Creation_= date:    2010-02-01
WG ID:        Independent Submission
Number_= of_pages: 13

Abstract:
This document is concerned with security v= ulnerabilities in the
ISATAP and 6to4 tunnels.  These vulnerabiliti= es allow an attacker to
take advantage of inconsistencies between a tunn= el's overlay IPv6
routing state and the native IPv6 routing state. = The attacks form
routing loops which can be abused as a vehicle for tra= ffic
amplification to facilitate DoS attacks.  We describe these se= curity
vulnerabilities and the attacks which exploit them.  We furt= her
recommend on solutions to remove the vulnerabilities.
  &nbs= p;                     &n= bsp;                     =                      = ;              


The IETF Secretariat.



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From v6ops-archive@megatron.ietf.org Tue Feb 2 03:05:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8853D28C1C5 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:05:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -55.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-55.472 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_SBL=20, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pb1NdAX62DCn for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:05:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from fany-gastroservis.customer.vol.cz (fany-gastroservis.customer.vol.cz [213.175.39.154]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F9128C1A6 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:05:27 -0800 (PST) From: Polina To: v6ops-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: You're saying that you come to Russia - I've been expecting you like a fool, but you do not come! " MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20100202110527.38F9128C1A6@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:05:27 -0800 (PST)

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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 2 08:42:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847A03A69FD for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:42:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.904 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.904 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.696, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qoTRPi6ACbBV for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F1C3A692D for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 08:42:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NcLi6-000BEZ-LT for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:34:42 +0000 Received: from [2001:13c7:7001:4000::3] (helo=mail.lacnic.net.uy) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NcLhy-000BDD-8s for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:34:35 +0000 Received: from 85-7-200.lacnic.net.uy (unknown [200.7.85.78]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BA93084FA; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:34:17 -0200 (UYST) Subject: Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-04.txt WGLC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Roque Gagliano In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 17:36:25 +0100 Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1F22A806-8341-4FB0-8135-3518574C7661@cisco.com> To: Pekka Savola X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Pekka, Thank you Pekka for the review. Please see my comments inline. On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Fred Baker wrote: >> This is to initiate a two week working group last call of = draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-04.txt. >=20 > I agree with earlier comments that S 6 suggestions on MD5, GTSM, IPsec = etc. may not be warranted especially in looking glass, route collection = or similar scenarios. The suggestions in the latter part of the 2nd = paragraph seem to be talking more about IPv6 peering sessions between = participants than ones to the IX. I don't think this document needs to = discuss the participants' BGP sessions (for exchanging routes to forward = production traffic) at all, but if it does, I strongly think it needs to = be a separate section. (Roque) Section 6 is not about the bi-lateral peering sessions between = members but about the sessions at the route-server. However, it is = always just BGP. I will remover the MD5, GTSM, IPSEC comment as = requested by several people.=20 What do you think about this text?: -------------- 6. Route-Server IXPs may offer a Route-Server service, either for Multi-Lateral Peering Agreements (MLPA) service, looking glass service or route- collection service. IPv6 support needs to be added to the BGP speaking router. The equipment should be able to transport IPv6 traffic and to support Multi-protocol BGP (MP-BGP) extensions for IPv6 address family ([RFC2545] and [RFC4760]). A good practice is that all BGP sessions used to exchange IPv6 network information are configured using IPv6 data transport. This configuration style ensures that both network reachability information and generic packet data transport use the same transport plane. Because of the size of the IPv6 space, limiting the maximum = number of IPv6 prefixes in every session should be studied. External services should be available for external IPv6 access, either by an IPv6 enabled web page or an IPv6 enabled console interface. -------------- >=20 > substantial > ----------- >=20 > The exchange point addresses are intended for the peering mesh, e.g. = from RIPE document: "Many Exchange Point operators require address space = for the peering mesh that is independent from any of the address space = in use by member networks." = (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-451.html) >=20 > The last part of Section 3 describes an IXP operators decision that = the addresses need to be globally routed. The latter part discusses = globally routed services by the ISP. The IXP prefix is not meant for = that, and it is not generally accepted in DFZ routing. For globally = routable address space, other addresses should be obtained. The last = sentence in S 3 mentions it briefly but this should be clearer. >=20 > I suggest the following rewording: >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > IPv6 prefixes for IXP LANs are typically publicly well known and > taken from dedicated IPv6 blocks for IXP assignments reserved for > this purpose by the different RIRs. These blocks are usually > only meant for addressing the exchange fabric, and may be filtered > out by DFZ (Default Free Zone) operators. When considering the > routing of the IXP LANs two options are identified: >=20 > o IXPs may decide that LANs should not to be globally routed in > order to limit the possible origins of a Denial of Service (DoS) > attack to its participants' AS boundaries. In this configuration > participants may route these prefixes inside their networks (e. = g. > using BGP no-export communities or routing the IXP LANs within = the > participants' IGP) to perform fault management. Using this > configuration, the monitoring of the IXP LANs from outside of its > participants' AS boundaries is not possible. >=20 > o IXP may decide that LANs should (attempt to be) be globally > routed. In this case, IXP LANs monitoring from outside its > participants' AS boundaries may be possible but the IXP LANs > will be vulnerable to DoS from outside of those boundaries. >=20 > Additionally, possible IXP external services (such as dns, web > pages, ftp servers) need to be globally routed. These should be > addressed from separate address blocks, either from upstream > providers' address space, or separate independent assignments. > Strict prefix length filtering could be a reason for requesting > more than one /48 assignment from a RIR (i.e. requesting one /48 > assignment for the IXPs LANs that may not be globally routed and a > different, non-IXP /48 assignment for the IXP external services > that will be globally routed). (Roque) So, the changes are in the first and last paragraphs of the = section where you are adding the possibility of using PA space for = services. I have no problem with the suggestion.=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > semi-editorial/substantial > -------------------------- >=20 > 2. independent LAN: an exclusive IPv6 LAN is created for IPv6 > traffic. If IXP participants are already using Virtual LAN > (VLAN) tagging on the interfaces of their routers that are = facing > the IXP switch, this only requires passing one additional VLAN > tag across the interconnection. If participants are using > untagged interconnections with the IXP switch and wish to > continue doing so, they will need to provision a separate > physical port to access the IPv6-specific LAN. >=20 > .. the last sentence assumes untagged VLAN which is not given. =46rom = textual perspective, "If participants are using.." is confusing. This = is the design decision of the IXP _operator_, not the (individual) = participants. Example rewording: > 2. independent LAN: an exclusive IPv6 LAN is created for IPv6 > traffic. If IXP already uses Virtual LAN (VLAN) tagging, > participants are only required to passing one additional VLAN > tag across the interconnection. If IXP does not use VLAN > tagging, VLAN tagging needs to be established. Previous use > may continue untagged as a "native VLAN" or be transitioned to > a tagged VLAN. >=20 (Roque) Your proposal does not cover the case of maintaining separate = Physical ports for v4 and v6. What about this rewording: 2. independent LAN: an exclusive IPv6 LAN is created for IPv6 traffic. If IXP already uses Virtual LAN (VLAN) tagging, participants are only required to passing one additional VLAN tag across the interconnection. If IXP does not use VLAN tagging, either VLAN tagging is established (where previous use = may=20 continue untagged as a "native VLAN" or be transitioned to a = tagged VLAN)=20 or a separate physical port is configure for each participant IPv6 = traffic. > The "independent LAN" configuration provides a physical separation > for IPv4 and IPv6 traffic simplifying separate analysis for IPv4 and > IPv6 traffic. However, it can be more costly in both capital > expenses (if new ports are needed) and operational expends. >=20 > .. The last sentence is not the whole picture, and should be deleted = or rephrased. Additional ports are not necessary, see above. FWIW, = typically participants terminate IPv4 and IPv6 LANs at the same device = and these are just logical subinterfaces. As such the next sentence = also requires rewording as its unnecessarily biased: > Conversely, the dual-stack implementation allows a quick and capital > cost-free start-up for IPv6 support in the IXP, allowing the IXP to > avoid transforming untagged ports into tagged ports. >=20 > The only technical requirement for IPv6 referring link MTUs is that > they need to be greater than or equal to 1280 octets [RFC2460]. > Common MTU sizes in IXPs are 1500, 4470, or 9216 bytes. >=20 > .. is this IP MTU? I do not think 9216 is true in this case. E.g. in = Juniper equipment (common in IXP PE routers) the max _Ethernet_ MTU is = 9192 bytes (9188 IP MTU). I do not believe there are common router = products that even support IP MTU of 9216 bytes (yes, some switches = support ethernet mtu of 9216 bytes but that's different). Because eth = mtu changes depending on vlan tagging and/or whether you count various = ethernet stuff in it, it's best to only discuss IP mtu here. >=20 > The MTU size > for every LAN in an IXP should be well known by all its > participants. >=20 > .. you could also make this stronger and replace "well known and = uniformally adhered to" -- there will be blackholing if everyone is not = using the same MTU (esp. issues with jumbo sizes! and if you change vlan = tagging, the mtu "calculations" might change unless you're careful!) >=20 (Roque) What about the following reworking for this complete section?: -------------------- The "independent LAN" configuration provides a physical or logical = separation for IPv4 and IPv6 traffic simplifying separate analysis for IPv4 and IPv6 traffic. However, if implemented by using different physical = ports instead of using vlan tagging, it can be more costly in both = capital expenses (as new ports are needed) and operational expenses. Conversely, the "dual-stack" implementation while allows a quick IPv6 = support in the IXP. In this implementation traffic-split for statistical = analysis would require the use of flows techniques such as IPFIX = [RFC5101] considering the different ether-types (0x0800 = for IPv4, 0x0806 for ARP and 0x86DD for IPv6). The only technical requirement for IPv6 referring link MTUs is that they need to be greater than or equal to 1280 octets [RFC2460].=20 The MTU size for every LAN in an IXP should be well known by all its = participants. -------------------- > 7. External and Internal support >=20 >=20 > Some external services that need to have IPv6 support are traffic > graphics, DNS, FTP, Web, Route Server and Looking Glass. [...] >=20 > .. I'd maybe add that "In many cases, these are subcontracted or = otherwise acquired from exchange participants or third parties." This is = the "ISP-side" of IXP business and that should be kept distinct from the = IPv6 peering fabric issues. (Roque) I would rather not get to particulars here, the important is = that it is something to put in their "checkbox". >=20 > 10. Security Considerations >=20 >=20 > This memo includes procedures for monitoring and/or avoiding > particular ICMPv6 traffic at IXPs' LANs. It also mentions how to > limit IPv6 DoS attacks to the IXP switch fabric by not globally > announce the IXP LANs prefix. >=20 >=20 > .. Maybe it should be mentioend here that neither the IPv4 ARP = filtering, nor the describes IPv6 multicast filtering will prevent = Ethernet loops from causing mischief in the LAN. >=20 > The latter sentence should be removed or rephrased per above. (Roque) What about this text: =20 This memo includes procedures for monitoring and/or avoiding particular ICMPv6 traffic at IXPs' LANs. None of these methods = prevent Ethernet loops caused by mischief in the LAN. The document also mentions how to limit IPv6 DoS attacks to the IXP switch fabric by not globally announce the IXP LANs prefix. >=20 > nits > ---- >=20 > - p3 reference to SNMP (RFC1157) should be updated as 1157 is = Histroci. (Roque) I will replace it by RFC3411. > - p3 spell out "LAN" when first used >=20 (Roque) ok > --=20 > Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the > Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 2 23:04:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0A73A6860 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:04:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32AvO4jzzam0 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F51B3A6838 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 23:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NcZDD-0003pB-8Z for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:59:43 +0000 Received: from [2001:670:86:3001::1] (helo=netcore.fi) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NcZD8-0003nL-HU for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:59:39 +0000 Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o136xLXH024159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:59:21 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id o136xKb0024155; Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:59:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:59:20 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Roque Gagliano cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-04.txt WGLC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1F22A806-8341-4FB0-8135-3518574C7661@cisco.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.3 at otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Roque Gagliano wrote: > What do you think about this text?: > -------------- > 6. Route-Server ... Works for me. >> The exchange point addresses are intended for the peering mesh, >> e.g. from RIPE document: "Many Exchange Point operators require >> address space for the peering mesh that is independent from any of >> the address space in use by member networks." >> (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-451.html) ... > (Roque) So, the changes are in the first and last paragraphs of the > section where you are adding the possibility of using PA space for > services. I have no problem with the suggestion. My suggested version does more than just suggest PA space for services, it also describes that it's not necessarily a good idea to run services off the IXP fabric space. If if you're fine with the suggested text, it's fine with me. > (Roque) Your proposal does not cover the case of maintaining separate Physical ports for v4 and v6. What about this rewording: > > 2. independent LAN: an exclusive IPv6 LAN is created for IPv6 > traffic. If IXP already uses Virtual LAN (VLAN) tagging, > participants are only required to passing one additional VLAN > tag across the interconnection. If IXP does not use VLAN > tagging, either VLAN tagging is established (where previous use may > continue untagged as a "native VLAN" or be transitioned to a tagged VLAN) > or a separate physical port is configure for each participant IPv6 traffic. s/passing/pass/ above (that was wrong in my suggestion above), in priniciple I'm OK with this. Are you aware of IXes which provide separate Physical ports for v4 and v6? While you're technically correct, this seems like a lot of waste and I doubt there would be interest for that approach. If it's actually used somewhere, I'm starting to wonder if "independent LAN" would be clearer if it was split into two different options, "independent VLAN" and "independent port". These have so different properties in many ways, as was shown in my next comments that have now been adapted. > (Roque) What about the following reworking for this complete section?: I'm fine with that text. > >> 7. External and Internal support >> >> >> Some external services that need to have IPv6 support are traffic >> graphics, DNS, FTP, Web, Route Server and Looking Glass. [...] >> >> .. I'd maybe add that "In many cases, these are subcontracted or >> otherwise acquired from exchange participants or third parties." >> This is the "ISP-side" of IXP business and that should be kept >> distinct from the IPv6 peering fabric issues. > > (Roque) I would rather not get to particulars here, the important is > that it is something to put in their "checkbox". The reason I was saying this is that I think this isn't an IX-specific issue. The most relevant are probably Route Server and looking glass, but otherwise this is pretty much identical to how an enterprise or an ISP would run its support services. As such I think adding a statement like I suggested above would clarify to the reader that these are not IX-specific services, and indeed, in many cases the IX does not need to provide them on its own. These are IMHO also not a requirement for an IX to get globally-routable PI or PA space and that's another reason why it's worth spelling out. > (Roque) What about this text: > > This memo includes procedures for monitoring and/or avoiding > particular ICMPv6 traffic at IXPs' LANs. None of these methods prevent Ethernet loops > caused by mischief in the LAN. The document also mentions how to > limit IPv6 DoS attacks to the IXP switch fabric by not globally > announce the IXP LANs prefix. I think the global announce text could maybe be slightly better (its implying that the default is globally announce instead of NOT announce), but it's not technically wrong so I'm fine with it. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Feb 4 06:57:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979B73A6D95 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:57:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.411 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.363, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KxNbTOm1LqaM for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91DA3A6C1F for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 06:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd33C-000AsI-Mo for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:51:22 +0000 Received: from [2001:13c7:7001:4000::3] (helo=mail.lacnic.net.uy) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd331-000AoB-Md for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:51:13 +0000 Received: from 85-7-200.lacnic.net.uy (unknown [200.7.85.78]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA2430842D; Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:50:56 -0200 (UYST) Subject: Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-04.txt WGLC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Roque Gagliano In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 15:53:03 +0100 Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0A8BF8A3-FCF0-48F4-847C-877E56A66B38@lacnic.net> References: <1F22A806-8341-4FB0-8135-3518574C7661@cisco.com> To: Pekka Savola X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi Pekka, Thanks again for your comments.I believe we came up to one section to be = improved.=20 Here is the proposed text for section 2 using your feedback: --------------------- 2. Switch Fabric Configuration An Ethernet based IXP switch fabric implements IPv6 over Ethernet as described in [RFC2464]. Therefore, the switching of IPv6 traffic happens in the same way as in IPv4. However, some management functions may require explicit IPv6 support (such as switch management, SNMP [RFC3411] support and flow analysis exportation) and this should be assessed by the IXP operator. There are two common configurations of IXP switch ports to support IPv6: 1. dual-stack LAN (Local Area Network): when both IPv4 and IPv6 traffic share a common LAN. No extra configuration is required in the switch. 2. independent VLAN (Virtual Local Area Network): when an IXP logically separates IPv4 and IPv6 traffic in different VLANs. In both configurations, IPv6 and IPv4 traffic can either share a common physical port or use independent physical ports. The use of independent ports can be more costly in both capital expenses (as new ports are needed) and operational expenses. When using the same physical port for both IPv4 and IPv6 traffic, some changes may be needed at the participants' interfaces configurations. If the IXP implements the "dual-stack configuration", IXP participants will configure dual-stack interfaces. On the other hand, if the IXP implements the "independent VLAN configuration", IXP participants are required to pass one additional VLAN tag across the interconnection. In this case, if the IXP did not originally use VLAN tagging, VLAN tagging = may to be established and previous use may continue untagged as a "native VLAN" or be transitioned to a tagged VLAN. The "independent VLAN" configuration provides a logical separation of IPv4 and IPv6 traffic, simplifying separate statistical analysis for IPv4 and IPv6 traffic. Conversely, the "dual-stack" configuration (when performing separate statistical analysis for IPv4 and IPv6 traffic) would require the use of flows techniques such as IPFIX [RFC5101] to classify traffic based on the different ether-types (0x0800 for IPv4, 0x0806 for ARP and 0x86DD for IPv6). The only technical requirement for IPv6 referring link MTUs is that they need to be greater than or equal to 1280 octets [RFC2460]. The MTU size for every LAN in an IXP should be well known by all its participants. --------------------- Roque On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Roque Gagliano wrote: >> What do you think about this text?: >> -------------- >> 6. Route-Server > ... >=20 > Works for me. >=20 >>> The exchange point addresses are intended for the peering mesh, e.g. = from RIPE document: "Many Exchange Point operators require address space = for the peering mesh that is independent from any of the address space = in use by member networks." = (http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-451.html) > ... >> (Roque) So, the changes are in the first and last paragraphs of the = section where you are adding the possibility of using PA space for = services. I have no problem with the suggestion. >=20 > My suggested version does more than just suggest PA space for = services, it also describes that it's not necessarily a good idea to run = services off the IXP fabric space. If if you're fine with the suggested = text, it's fine with me. >=20 >> (Roque) Your proposal does not cover the case of maintaining separate = Physical ports for v4 and v6. What about this rewording: >>=20 >> 2. independent LAN: an exclusive IPv6 LAN is created for IPv6 >> traffic. If IXP already uses Virtual LAN (VLAN) tagging, >> participants are only required to passing one additional VLAN >> tag across the interconnection. If IXP does not use VLAN >> tagging, either VLAN tagging is established (where previous use = may >> continue untagged as a "native VLAN" or be transitioned to a = tagged VLAN) >> or a separate physical port is configure for each participant = IPv6 traffic. >=20 > s/passing/pass/ above (that was wrong in my suggestion above), in = priniciple I'm OK with this. >=20 > Are you aware of IXes which provide separate Physical ports for v4 and = v6? While you're technically correct, this seems like a lot of waste = and I doubt there would be interest for that approach. >=20 > If it's actually used somewhere, I'm starting to wonder if = "independent LAN" would be clearer if it was split into two different = options, "independent VLAN" and "independent port". These have so = different properties in many ways, as was shown in my next comments that = have now been adapted. >=20 >> (Roque) What about the following reworking for this complete = section?: >=20 > I'm fine with that text. >=20 >>=20 >>> 7. External and Internal support >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Some external services that need to have IPv6 support are traffic >>> graphics, DNS, FTP, Web, Route Server and Looking Glass. [...] >>>=20 >>> .. I'd maybe add that "In many cases, these are subcontracted or = otherwise acquired from exchange participants or third parties." This is = the "ISP-side" of IXP business and that should be kept distinct from the = IPv6 peering fabric issues. >>=20 >> (Roque) I would rather not get to particulars here, the important is = that it is something to put in their "checkbox". >=20 > The reason I was saying this is that I think this isn't an IX-specific = issue. The most relevant are probably Route Server and looking glass, = but otherwise this is pretty much identical to how an enterprise or an = ISP would run its support services. As such I think adding a statement = like I suggested above would clarify to the reader that these are not = IX-specific services, and indeed, in many cases the IX does not need to = provide them on its own. >=20 > These are IMHO also not a requirement for an IX to get = globally-routable PI or PA space and that's another reason why it's = worth spelling out. >=20 >=20 >> (Roque) What about this text: >>=20 >> This memo includes procedures for monitoring and/or avoiding >> particular ICMPv6 traffic at IXPs' LANs. None of these methods = prevent Ethernet loops >> caused by mischief in the LAN. The document also mentions how to >> limit IPv6 DoS attacks to the IXP switch fabric by not globally >> announce the IXP LANs prefix. >=20 > I think the global announce text could maybe be slightly better (its = implying that the default is globally announce instead of NOT announce), = but it's not technically wrong so I'm fine with it. >=20 > --=20 > Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the > Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Feb 5 06:38:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA03A6D9E for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.727 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.727 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.703, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mlXUUCr6yC9A for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 06:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3942C3A6D9C for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 06:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdPD6-0005XB-9B for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:31:04 +0000 Received: from [192.174.68.200] (helo=mail.sbg.nic.at) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdPD2-0005WW-Lw for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:31:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.sbg.nic.at with XWall v3.45 ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:30:57 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 15:30:58 +0100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... Thread-Index: Acqmb9V57rodMSf0QMCmtGLez3M7PQ== From: "Alexander Mayrhofer" To: X-XWALL-BCKS: auto Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, I'm trying to find documents about the implication of v6 on rate limiting on application level. I've gone through the list of v6ops documents, but haven't found any reference to or guidance about the following issue: I'm working for the ".at" ccTLD registry, and we're currently investigating the implications of adding v6 transport to our WHOIS servers. For data protection & load management reasons, those WHOIS servers are currently configured to apply rate limiting on the application level on a per-IPv4-address basis, for example "5 queries per hour, 100 queries per day" (etc). This works quite well on IPv4, since acquiring a new IPv4 address is not trivial in most scenarios. With the introduction of IPv6, the "per IP" strategy obvioulsy doesn't work anymore like this, because any host with a /64 can essentially generate a new IP address for each request. A simple approach would be to aggregate requests by prefix (/64 or /56 or even /48?), and use that prefix instead of the full IP adress. This problem is not specific to our WHOIS use case, but will show up in SMTP rate limiting, ssh blacklisting applications, SIP registration servers, etc.. Since this problem is therefore pretty generic, my question is whether the v6ops working group has created considerations for such cases. If not: Would the v6ops be chartered to do such work, and is interest in this problem big enough to get something started? I beg to pardon if this issue has been discussed/documented before, and i have missed it. I'd appreciate being pointed at the work in that case ..=20 Comments are appreciated. Thanks, Alex From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Feb 5 08:01:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A2728C188 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:01:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3aZP01HtJLgw for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992B528C184 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:01:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdQZ1-000HFH-0m for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:57:47 +0000 Received: from [2001:41e0:ff00:0:216:3eff:fe00:4] (helo=abaddon.unfix.org) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdQYv-000HEc-LU for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:57:42 +0000 Received: from [IPv6:2001:4978:f:403::2] (cl-1028.chi-02.us.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:4978:f:403::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jeroen) by abaddon.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1498F401FEC; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 16:58:29 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=unfix.org; s=DKIM2009; t=1265385523; bh=8egZ61Go8Td7mtG9+4/Znfws0UXa/NutVNHLzEEUBME=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=DbxjBdqWMn2+H4Co+VVj9nucr3SvpNAGr4NCt4bWjou4XIRLdlimabd2U5eyReF4z 3woER/cMxuMpS0SZh9eJP4JlGPasPLU6wSMZ55rNwYXae+uuvl80UWIPz2nEJ3cEod woRn5gF+jKV9wca/hLnPzOcsWBbBDDumGAlLxIfQD/lt1aM0VIVbeYhRpzbzkjqiWE 1XVio+bHSTyqBwxVR4sO/jxcTH3i1XqcjRoLDNnRCHa/f2HIKWKakZXSB5dC5u4Flj Uj8AjEe4FrI8Q+ckRHIgDybsXiV6hAIZQhir2Itv5OsxxIJYv+wt7rwE7g/KLBxlUh l7UfuAOpdTamw== Message-ID: <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:57:01 -0600 From: Jeroen Massar Organization: Unfix User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100111 Lightning/1.0b2pre Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Mayrhofer CC: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> In-Reply-To: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 OpenPGP: id=333E7C23 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig14B98EB57CE03C86BE44D5A3" Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig14B98EB57CE03C86BE44D5A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: [..] > A simple approach would be to aggregate requests by prefix (/64 or /56 > or even /48?), and use that prefix instead of the full IP adress. This > problem is not specific to our WHOIS use case, but will show up in SMTP= > rate limiting, ssh blacklisting applications, SIP registration servers,= > etc.. Indeed, that is the most simple and obvious approach: per 'level' eg chunked something in order of /64, /48, /40, /36, /32 if X hosts/upper-levels in that level do something bad you aggregate to the next level. X could vary per level of course. Very crude, but very effective, as at a /32 you will have blocked the full ISP if they are 'bad' as seen from your policy point of view. Greets, Jeroen --------------enig14B98EB57CE03C86BE44D5A3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAktsP9kACgkQKaooUjM+fCOuNACgvVQPG63bj4svGC1AGBV7Nf7Q 2AkAn3gScvYp21bIJqkTMdm4uv8FPdu7 =aZL7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig14B98EB57CE03C86BE44D5A3-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Feb 5 08:47:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD633A6A22 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:47:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.95 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.95 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HELO_MISMATCH_NL=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BXtQD615AZyh for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E1F3A687B for ; Fri, 5 Feb 2010 08:47:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdRIO-000NHD-K4 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:44:40 +0000 Received: from [194.109.24.25] (helo=smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdRIK-000NGY-Vr for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:44:37 +0000 Received: from ghb.xs4all.nl (ghb.xs4all.nl [194.109.0.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o15GiT5K016582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:44:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marcoh@marcoh.net) Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Marco Hogewoning In-Reply-To: <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 17:44:29 +0100 Cc: Alexander Mayrhofer , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> To: Jeroen Massar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 5 feb 2010, at 16:57, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: > [..] >> A simple approach would be to aggregate requests by prefix (/64 or = /56 >> or even /48?), and use that prefix instead of the full IP adress. = This >> problem is not specific to our WHOIS use case, but will show up in = SMTP >> rate limiting, ssh blacklisting applications, SIP registration = servers, >> etc.. >=20 > Indeed, that is the most simple and obvious approach: per 'level' eg > chunked something in order of /64, /48, /40, /36, /32 if X > hosts/upper-levels in that level do something bad you aggregate to the > next level. > X could vary per level of course. And please please please make this aggregation policy case based or = never aggregated above /64. There are a lot of ISP's out there who have = different productsm with very different address plans which are all in = the same /32 and can be quite close together, with a default policy of = /56 for broadband residential, /48 for business and /64 for mobile. So what seem to be a good and decent aggregation for DSL can all of a = sudden create huge problems as you unintentionally block or ratelimit = 65.000 mobile users from that same ISP. > Very crude, but very effective, as at a /32 you will have blocked the > full ISP if they are 'bad' as seen from your policy point of view. Not connecting to the internet at all might be a better choice for those = people :) Groet, MarcoH From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Feb 6 00:39:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D813A701F for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:39:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.285 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.285 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jWcx8C59eqy6 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD063A701E for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ndg7n-000FP8-Sy for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:34:43 +0000 Received: from [2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e34] (helo=c.b.painless.aaisp.net.uk) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ndg7k-000FOY-Sb for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:34:41 +0000 Received: from tactless.ec.aaisp.net.uk ([2001:8b0:0:2:21d:60ff:fedd:9e63]) by b.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ndg7g-0002RW-VG; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:34:37 +0000 Message-ID: <4B6D299C.9070002@aaisp.net.uk> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:34:36 +0000 From: Adrian Kennard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org CC: Marco Hogewoning , Jeroen Massar , Alexander Mayrhofer Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Kennard family X-Info: Organization Header added by smtp.aaisp.net.uk based on Authenticated ID Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Marco Hogewoning wrote: > On 5 feb 2010, at 16:57, Jeroen Massar wrote: > >> Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: >> [..] >>> A simple approach would be to aggregate requests by prefix (/64 or /56 >>> or even /48?), and use that prefix instead of the full IP adress. This >>> problem is not specific to our WHOIS use case, but will show up in SMTP >>> rate limiting, ssh blacklisting applications, SIP registration servers, >>> etc.. >> Indeed, that is the most simple and obvious approach: per 'level' eg >> chunked something in order of /64, /48, /40, /36, /32 if X >> hosts/upper-levels in that level do something bad you aggregate to the >> next level. >> X could vary per level of course. > > And please please please make this aggregation policy case based or never aggregated above /64. There are a lot of ISP's out there who have different productsm with very different address plans which are all in the same /32 and can be quite close together, with a default policy of /56 for broadband residential, /48 for business and /64 for mobile. > > So what seem to be a good and decent aggregation for DSL can all of a sudden create huge problems as you unintentionally block or ratelimit 65.000 mobile users from that same ISP. I fear the same question will arise for people running spam black lists. The space is so large that the allocation policies can vary massively from one /32 to the next. At one extreme an LIR with a /32 need not even be a provider and may allocate blocks to separate providers so aggregating at the /32 would be silly as the LIR has no control over then end users at all. In other cases millions of separate users may have a single device IP allocated on a /127 PPP link. If it is any help, as an ISP that has been doing IPv6 on DSL for 7 years, we allocate a /48 to each distinct customer regardless of how many lines they have. We give them control over what blocks (down to /64) are allocated to each line or lines as they need. Of course you could whois the requester IPv6 address to see the block size allocated to the requesting end user. But the whois server providing that information might rate limit you !!! 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Feb 6 04:24:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B413A6D56 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 04:24:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.265 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HELO_MISMATCH_NL=1.448, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id daEx+3q7tP-X for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 04:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BF03A6C04 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 04:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ndjde-0009zV-CT for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:19:50 +0000 Received: from [194.109.24.34] (helo=smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ndjda-0009z2-DR for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:19:46 +0000 Received: from [195.64.86.179] ([195.64.86.179]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o16CJ3BA008371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:19:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marcoh@marcoh.net) Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Marco Hogewoning In-Reply-To: <4B6D299C.9070002@aaisp.net.uk> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:18:58 +0100 Cc: IPv6 Operations Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B4E2B0E-4420-42FF-A252-BA5618D5EAF7@marcoh.net> References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> <4B6D299C.9070002@aaisp.net.uk> To: Adrian Kennard X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: >> And please please please make this aggregation policy case based or = never aggregated above /64. There are a lot of ISP's out there who have = different productsm with very different address plans which are all in = the same /32 and can be quite close together, with a default policy of = /56 for broadband residential, /48 for business and /64 for mobile. >> So what seem to be a good and decent aggregation for DSL can all of a = sudden create huge problems as you unintentionally block or ratelimit = 65.000 mobile users from that same ISP. >=20 > I fear the same question will arise for people running spam black = lists. >=20 > The space is so large that the allocation policies can vary massively = from one /32 to the next. At one extreme an LIR with a /32 need not even = be a provider and may allocate blocks to separate providers so = aggregating at the /32 would be silly as the LIR has no control over = then end users at all. In other cases millions of separate users may = have a single device IP allocated on a /127 PPP link. >=20 > If it is any help, as an ISP that has been doing IPv6 on DSL for 7 = years, we allocate a /48 to each distinct customer regardless of how = many lines they have. We give them control over what blocks (down to = /64) are allocated to each line or lines as they need. >=20 > Of course you could whois the requester IPv6 address to see the block = size allocated to the requesting end user. But the whois server = providing that information might rate limit you !!! I made a suggestion to one of the ripe lists on how we might fix that a = couple of months ago, details are here: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/ipv6-wg/2009/msg00142.html Now this was just an idea I have and either people don't find it = important enough or think it's stupid, as I haven't seen much response = on it I fear the first is true. Or maybe I just missed it and everybody = running blacklists found a way to safely predict which blocks can be = easily aggregated or which don't. I had a discussion with some people about this and one of the = suggestions made was that maybe the IETF would be a more suitable place = to try and fix this as it has global reach and you don't have to go over = the exercise 5 times for each individual registry. Somebody even = suggested we might fix this by using DNS as a publication method. I think the base requirement is to find a way in which operators can = easily publish some hints on where aggregation boundaries are, possibly = together with some contact information on who to notify about issues. This system: - has to be easily filled and updated by operators - has to be even easier to use for those people trying to block/limit = IPv6 address blocks - well documented API for automatic retrieval - preferably uses a single method or entrypoint to get data on all RIRs - either has a distributed architecture or caching mechanism to hande = the load Once this is in place it can benefit both sides, you don't = unintentionally block a whole lot of users and at the same time prevent = virusses/trojans/zombies from address hopping to try and circumvent = blocklists. I can also see some gain from a operational perspective, as = the whole customer is shutdown in one go instead of only a handfull of = his million billion addresses, it's much easier to identify the problem. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Feb 6 16:17:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24043A7130 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:17:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.07 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.07 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UTs539xidfJN for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52DC3A712F for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ndukk-00049s-U7 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:11:54 +0000 Received: from [2001:13c7:7001:4000::3] (helo=mail.lacnic.net.uy) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ndukh-00049d-SZ for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:11:52 +0000 Received: from 85-7-200.lacnic.net.uy (unknown [200.7.85.78]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBE730841C; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:11:37 -0200 (UYST) Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Roque Gagliano In-Reply-To: <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 01:13:53 +0100 Cc: Alexander Mayrhofer , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <49FB9C43-0B21-42B5-8097-2732A3E4BCB9@lacnic.net> References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> To: Jeroen Massar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: hi Jeroen, On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: > [..] >> A simple approach would be to aggregate requests by prefix (/64 or = /56 >> or even /48?), and use that prefix instead of the full IP adress. = This >> problem is not specific to our WHOIS use case, but will show up in = SMTP >> rate limiting, ssh blacklisting applications, SIP registration = servers, >> etc.. >=20 > Indeed, that is the most simple and obvious approach: per 'level' eg > chunked something in order of /64, /48, /40, /36, /32 if X The problem that I see using any length shorter than 48 is that RIR's = min allocations are /48s. This means that if you block a /32, you may be = blocking 65000 end-users assignments. So, if you want to use any length = shorter than 48, you would need to follow RIR's allocation sizes in = their allocated address space, and that changes in time with new = policies. r. > hosts/upper-levels in that level do something bad you aggregate to the > next level. > X could vary per level of course. >=20 > Very crude, but very effective, as at a /32 you will have blocked the > full ISP if they are 'bad' as seen from your policy point of view. >=20 > Greets, > Jeroen >=20 From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Feb 6 16:57:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362F628C0F3 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:57:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.658 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.658 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.163, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcefrnLkKnZu for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499DD3A6B10 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdvRS-0008Dd-4M for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:56:02 +0000 Received: from [209.85.211.175] (helo=mail-yw0-f175.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NdvRQ-0008Bl-72 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:56:00 +0000 Received: by ywh5 with SMTP id 5so5811245ywh.11 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:55:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z9XmAhkDg+jAdDDsqbTVUEM/4pnJ2Z0EpD/USabS3sM=; b=r358sRiy7F7+E7WepyWiMp7ElMT6q476QL28KAaitNeebkLYY6jrZnNo6sIcVy2spI h8NEnlzc7JerJvg6u5GSGxz9+431VZu/hkMxbXuMaHHJyHjuBLkpz+BduTc0FVtvOkZ8 ncK8uLOecnb820U9swAt42OPXliG2BXU2l0SE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=W3IqZjs1e56AHT1IKtfO1+EgAagl/Qv1Ip7v5vkvPRJBZzgF/d52dO/VpFrGIxWtVU gRzZxLW5/c3P8x8HIqnfQQ1Hp9sXMRMuAOHIylvGQZT+87TsqrWVgPYPTuuqyzRqJTtZ XxdujEWte7sI8Obg1mmtUzQJrM3LUnHADF95k= Received: by 10.101.6.32 with SMTP id j32mr6146613ani.4.1265504159383; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.5? ([121.98.142.15]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm945080ywe.56.2010.02.06.16.55.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:55:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B6E0F98.2040803@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:55:52 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roque Gagliano CC: Jeroen Massar , Alexander Mayrhofer , v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> <4B6C3FCD.80007@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> <49FB9C43-0B21-42B5-8097-2732A3E4BCB9@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <49FB9C43-0B21-42B5-8097-2732A3E4BCB9@lacnic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 2010-02-07 13:13, Roque Gagliano wrote: > hi Jeroen, > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > >> Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: >> [..] >>> A simple approach would be to aggregate requests by prefix (/64 or /56 >>> or even /48?), and use that prefix instead of the full IP adress. This >>> problem is not specific to our WHOIS use case, but will show up in SMTP >>> rate limiting, ssh blacklisting applications, SIP registration servers, >>> etc.. >> Indeed, that is the most simple and obvious approach: per 'level' eg >> chunked something in order of /64, /48, /40, /36, /32 if X > > The problem that I see using any length shorter than 48 is that RIR's min allocations are /48s. This means that if you block a /32, you may be blocking 65000 end-users assignments. So, if you want to use any length shorter than 48, you would need to follow RIR's allocation sizes in their allocated address space, and that changes in time with new policies. Since there are ISPs assigning /64 to some customers, a policy that blindly blocks /48 or /56 will be problematic (lawyer bait, even). Brian From v6ops-archive@lists.ietf.org Sun Feb 7 06:23:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF593A67F0 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2010 06:23:16 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C2 hex): From: Approved VIAGRA\302\256 Store ; Sun, 7 Feb 2010 06:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp83-237-32-53.pppoe.mtu-net.ru (ppp83-237-32-53.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [83.237.32.53]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C63163A7200 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2010 06:23:08 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: RE: Message 64529 From: Approved VIAGRA® Store MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100207142308.C63163A7200@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 06:23:08 -0800 (PST)
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Feb 7 07:04:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16743A70AD for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.407 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.407 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.970, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mcRNVbDMbP5r for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EA23A6920 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ne8bC-000Nuu-Qy for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:58:58 +0000 Received: from [208.69.177.116] (helo=ns1.qubic.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ne8bA-000Nu5-0W for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:58:56 +0000 Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net ([10.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.qubic.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o17EwRDb001088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 7 Feb 2010 06:58:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1265554726; x=1265641126; bh=+M5yhg+sJIghB/W/jNbC91PHnnuDyb2eLMlEGNoOAU8=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=O4RRU4fP0aNfDxMo1WwVH2Z13vDbKa2gw2J0G77353jJMTqdUv+OmLF8V7c2B6aHX +r+UnIt4OFrMvFCl7tkcv+Me7zBPU/6VAtccaTXgbyKIXBjzWWEXv6tO/VfMCb4gIn OTZbVIk8wOT0cbaLSI3AfyYIVGidsxd/bIjZK4KY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=resistor.net; c=simple; q=dns; b=NEnIwvaNqpmOLzC/DyIX21LAACJXEtrF1D6F03re2UksY6ceJJT0yrORY4DZZN/uM 6lYSLkGdW/79LMutnyMXk1ckFChJjCORjkRp8xy/3Qy8DWhubLpW73TXA35wBmVrIcE 8XpESHKynMNcHj+4gZMcfFiwZEn4yzhr7ggkly8= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20100207055615.0851e860@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:56:52 -0800 To: Alexander Mayrhofer From: SM Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic .at> References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi Alex, At 06:30 05-02-10, Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: >I'm working for the ".at" ccTLD registry, and we're currently >investigating the implications of adding v6 transport to our WHOIS >servers. For data protection & load management reasons, those WHOIS >servers are currently configured to apply rate limiting on the >application level on a per-IPv4-address basis, for example "5 queries >per hour, 100 queries per day" (etc). This works quite well on IPv4, >since acquiring a new IPv4 address is not trivial in most scenarios. > >With the introduction of IPv6, the "per IP" strategy obvioulsy doesn't >work anymore like this, because any host with a /64 can essentially >generate a new IP address for each request. > >A simple approach would be to aggregate requests by prefix (/64 or /56 >or even /48?), and use that prefix instead of the full IP adress. This >problem is not specific to our WHOIS use case, but will show up in SMTP >rate limiting, ssh blacklisting applications, SIP registration servers, >etc.. There is a DNSBL listing the /64 if there are reports for five hosts within that /64. SMTP rate limiting is different from WHOIS as it is MTA to MTA communication. WHOIS, as several other application protocols that you mentioned, is user agent to server communication. If your limit is 100 queries per day per /64, that limit would be reached if the queries are spread over several clients in that /64. In practice, it may be viewed as acceptable to rate limit per /64. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 8 02:41:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0C63A735C for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 02:41:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A-LvW7EnqEVW for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 02:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC613A735A for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 02:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeQyD-00039O-Qi for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:35:57 +0000 Received: from [2001:670:86:3001::1] (helo=netcore.fi) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeQy9-00037e-SO for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:35:54 +0000 Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o18AZgEW006427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:35:42 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id o18AZgGQ006424; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:35:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:35:42 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Roque Gagliano cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-04.txt WGLC In-Reply-To: <0A8BF8A3-FCF0-48F4-847C-877E56A66B38@lacnic.net> Message-ID: References: <1F22A806-8341-4FB0-8135-3518574C7661@cisco.com> <0A8BF8A3-FCF0-48F4-847C-877E56A66B38@lacnic.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.3 at otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Roque Gagliano wrote: > Thanks again for your comments.I believe we came up to one section to be improved. > > Here is the proposed text for section 2 using your feedback: .. Looks good to me. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 8 02:46:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2552B3A7021 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 02:46:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yw+s3-bes1LM for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 02:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595E73A7355 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 02:46:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeR8G-0004AG-2C for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:46:20 +0000 Received: from [2001:670:86:3001::1] (helo=netcore.fi) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeR8C-00049y-2R for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:46:16 +0000 Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o18Ak8mo006711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:46:08 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id o18Ak7Nl006708; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:46:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:46:07 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Alexander Mayrhofer cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: Re: Implications of v6 on application level rate limiting... In-Reply-To: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> Message-ID: References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D466508E468B9@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.3 at otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: > Since this problem is therefore pretty generic, my question is whether > the v6ops working group has created considerations for such cases. If > not: Would the v6ops be chartered to do such work, and is interest in > this problem big enough to get something started? > > I beg to pardon if this issue has been discussed/documented before, and > i have missed it. I'd appreciate being pointed at the work in that case > .. Some 6-7 years ago, I recall talking about this at an IETF with folks from RIPE NCC which had similar issues with the RIPE DB. Unfortunately I can't find which document this was about; it may have been what became RFC4942, but the only text there that has some resemblance to this problem space is in S 2.1.7. Sorry for being vague. I don't think this helps much, but that's my 5c. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 8 12:45:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8024728C10B for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:45:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.554, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DNFGP7wjVyJf for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A0D28C12E for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeaPm-000N0c-UK for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:41:02 +0000 Received: from [2001:13c7:7001:4000::3] (helo=mail.lacnic.net.uy) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeaPh-000Mzt-W1 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:40:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (77-56-111-12.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.56.111.12]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202E53084C0 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 18:40:50 -0200 (UYST) From: Roque Gagliano Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--408209816 Subject: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:43:18 +0100 References: <20100208203407.129FD3A740E@core3.amsl.com> To: v6ops WG Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: roque@lacnic.net Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: --Apple-Mail-4--408209816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear WG, I submitted version 05 of the document with all the changes discussed = until now during WGLC. Regards, Roque. Begin forwarded message: > From: IETF I-D Submission Tool > Date: February 8, 2010 9:34:06 PM GMT+01:00 > To: roque@lacnic.net > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05=20 >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05.txt has been = successfuly submitted by Roque Gagliano and posted to the IETF = repository. >=20 > Filename: draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp > Revision: 05 > Title: IPv6 Deployment in Internet Exchange Points = (IXPs) > Creation_date: 2010-02-08 > WG ID: v6ops > Number_of_pages: 12 >=20 > Abstract: > This document provides guidance on IPv6 deployment in Internet > Exchange Points (IXP). It includes information regarding the switch > fabric configuration, the addressing plan and general organizational > tasks that need to be performed. IXPs are mainly a layer 2 > infrastructure and in many cases the best recommendations suggest > that the IPv6 data, control and management plane should not be > handled differently than in IPv4. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF Secretariat. >=20 --Apple-Mail-4--408209816 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dear = WG,

I submitted version 05 of the document with all = the changes discussed until now during = WGLC.

Regards,

Roque.



Begin forwarded = message:

From: IETF I-D Submission Tool <idsubmission@ietf.org>
Date: February 8, 2010 9:34:06 PM = GMT+01:00
Subject: New Version = Notification for draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05 =


A new version of I-D, = draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05.txt has been successfuly submitted by Roque = Gagliano and posted to the IETF repository.

Filename: = draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp
Revision: 05
Title: IPv6 = Deployment in Internet Exchange Points (IXPs)
Creation_date: = 2010-02-08
WG ID: v6ops
Number_of_pages: = 12

Abstract:
This document provides guidance on IPv6 = deployment in Internet
Exchange Points (IXP).  It includes = information regarding the switch
fabric configuration, the addressing = plan and general organizational
tasks that need to be performed. =  IXPs are mainly a layer 2
infrastructure and in many cases the = best recommendations suggest
that the IPv6 data, control and = management plane should not be
handled differently than in = IPv4.



The IETF = Secretariat.


= --Apple-Mail-4--408209816-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 8 12:46:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E74B3A7279 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:46:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.489 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.489 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s7bWM16DeDgx for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EBF3A7054 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeaUl-000NNC-2p for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:46:11 +0000 Received: from [2001:1890:1112:1::20] (helo=mail.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeaUh-000NM6-0U for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:46:07 +0000 Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 0FB9C3A68DB; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100208204502.0FB9C3A68DB@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : IPv6 Deployment in Internet Exchange Points (IXPs) Author(s) : R. Gagliano Filename : draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2010-02-08 This document provides guidance on IPv6 deployment in Internet Exchange Points (IXP). It includes information regarding the switch fabric configuration, the addressing plan and general organizational tasks that need to be performed. IXPs are mainly a layer 2 infrastructure and in many cases the best recommendations suggest that the IPv6 data, control and management plane should not be handled differently than in IPv4. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-02-08123406.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 8 13:05:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5EF28C199 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:05:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CNadRhjtTC6X for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FED128C182 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nealj-000P2V-En for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:03:43 +0000 Received: from [2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db] (helo=jazz.viagenie.ca) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nealf-000P2E-69 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:03:39 +0000 Received: from mb-en1.lan (modemcable144.164-201-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.164.144]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6460E21C08 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:03:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4B707C29.5070300@viagenie.ca> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:03:37 -0500 From: Marc Blanchet User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: v6ops@ops.ietf.org Subject: announcing DNS64-NAT64 opensource implementations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: This is to announce the availability of two NAT64-DNS64 open-source implementations by Viagenie, as follows: ====== NAT64 ====== BSD PF: this implementation of NAT64 is made by modifying the PF packet filter available on BSD systems. A new 'nat64' statement is created in the pf.conf file to enable the nat64 functionality. Linux Netfilter: The implementation of NAT64 for linux is available as a kernel module. It uses Netfilter's facilities for packet interception. The configuration is done with parameters provided at module insertion. ====== DNS64 ====== As announced in july 2009 during IETF Stockholm, the companion DNS64 functionality is also available in two implementations, as follows: BIND: this implementation of DNS64 is made by modifying the BIND DNS server. A new "dns64-prefix" statement in options is created in the named.conf file to enable DNS64 functionality. Unbound: this implementation of DNS64 is made by adding a module to the Unbound DNS server. To enable the DNS64 functionality, the module should be declared and the dns64-prefix statement should be added in the unbound.conf file. The two functionalities (NAT64 and DNS64) make a complete system for translating IPv6-IPv4 packets. The source code, some pre-compiled packages and project description are available at: http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca. This project was funded by NLNet foundation and Viagenie. We are looking for feedback, patches, suggestions from the community. http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca Regards, Marc Blanchet, Simon Perreault, Jean-Philippe Dionne Viagenie From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 8 21:11:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4127A28C131 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:11:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.843 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.843 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.647, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UK+KrZ4drDca for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991423A7520 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeiI3-000Kxr-Ul for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:05:35 +0000 Received: from [210.171.225.78] (helo=mx20.jpix.ad.jp) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NeiHz-000KxU-EI for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:05:32 +0000 Received: from [10.10.31.143] (eth3-1-bb-fw-34.jpix.ad.jp [210.171.226.102]) by mx20.jpix.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB24FC01F; Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:05:29 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:05:28 +0900 From: MAWATARI Masataka To: marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca Subject: Re: announcing DNS64-NAT64 opensource implementations Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4B707C29.5070300@viagenie.ca> References: <4B707C29.5070300@viagenie.ca> Message-Id: <20100209140527.4EE0.8FE1F57E@jpix.ad.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.52.03 [ja] Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Greetings Marc, I appreciate your great efforts and outputs about NAT64 and DNS64. about DNS64. Do you have any plan to build full code or patch of latest bind version? You know bind v9.6.0-P1 have some vulnerabilities. https://www.isc.org/advisories/CVE-2009-4022 https://www.isc.org/advisories/CVE-2010-0097 etc. Thanks in advance, Regards, Masataka MAWATARI * On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:03:37 -0500 * Marc Blanchet wrote: > > > This is to announce the availability of two NAT64-DNS64 open-source > implementations by Viagenie, as follows: > > ====== > NAT64 > ====== > BSD PF: > this implementation of NAT64 is made by modifying the PF packet filter > available on BSD systems. A new 'nat64' statement is created in the > pf.conf file to enable the nat64 functionality. > > Linux Netfilter: > The implementation of NAT64 for linux is available as a kernel module. > It uses Netfilter's facilities for packet interception. The > configuration is done with parameters provided at module insertion. > > ====== > DNS64 > ====== > As announced in july 2009 during IETF Stockholm, the companion DNS64 > functionality is also available in two implementations, as follows: > > BIND: > this implementation of DNS64 is made by modifying the BIND DNS server. > A new "dns64-prefix" statement in options is created in the named.conf > file to enable DNS64 functionality. > > Unbound: > this implementation of DNS64 is made by adding a module to the Unbound > DNS server. To enable the DNS64 functionality, the module should be > declared and the dns64-prefix statement should be added in the > unbound.conf file. > > The two functionalities (NAT64 and DNS64) make a complete system for > translating IPv6-IPv4 packets. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Feb 10 08:04:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A98D3A773E for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:04:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.247 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.247 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.352, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZoSnh68Qrir4 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280633A6D6B for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NfExl-000OI1-VP for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:58:49 +0000 Received: from [171.68.10.87] (helo=sj-iport-5.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NfExj-000OHg-JW for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:58:47 +0000 Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAAtnckurR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACaXnSjVZd4hFUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,443,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="148774622" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Feb 2010 15:58:46 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com [10.32.244.218]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o1AFwnRu025274 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:58:49 GMT Message-Id: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: IPv6 Operations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Call for v6ops agenda items Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:58:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: The draft cut-off for -00 drafts is the first of March, and for all drafts is 8 March. Let me ask now: who plans to have documents to discuss in Anaheim, on what topics? http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Feb 10 12:16:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0607E3A75CA for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:16:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.607 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.607 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.712, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PNsOt5ieDMLL for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD2228C22C for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NfIuS-000Aei-LG for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:11:40 +0000 Received: from [209.85.222.189] (helo=mail-pz0-f189.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NfIuP-000AeV-J4 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:11:37 +0000 Received: by pzk27 with SMTP id 27so424182pzk.33 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:11:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MWmb6xhbkD823GPbOrVhFFG22Bd1B/sd0K67pd6/nn4=; b=vdISlWT+ffuH8aquqCc3yAQTsBV9js8pl490UOs/ePtEYbdrLzBWFSgi+PcKPzWEE7 jvZ5nMgs0ZApTqLm4fV9dnMrNrHuAeeqIRV0hPo3Jw9RUJmUStFbCI8UcHiD/mck1CaH OGk/dMMbtJB9KFDEf4QhF0WaeIGtp1SCsVhZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nY0ThDm3ktwCMEn4mLTnRPeF5/tEbF5H7SwNueqFaHE4ONu3yqD3mc22Cjean4yUR2 5x84rOTM2QqKgjaOliXH1qsx/c/kBZWoY35jYOuFwTuav/qnM6wdRZAZve4OCCYI6BV3 cW5GgWqe/4ePCJCG4njIvGfF72neLjIGh+Ssk= Received: by 10.142.249.29 with SMTP id w29mr460429wfh.163.1265832696272; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm1246362pzk.3.2010.02.10.12.11.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:11:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B7312F6.9010808@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:11:34 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker CC: IPv6 Operations Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items References: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: There will be a substantive update to draft-carpenter-v6ops-isp-scenarios, including at least a first analysis of the questionnaire replies we've received (29 so far). We'd like to present that; to give reasonable detail about the replies would need ~30 minutes. Brian Carpenter Sheng Jiang On 2010-02-11 04:58, Fred Baker wrote: > The draft cut-off for -00 drafts is the first of March, and for all > drafts is 8 March. Let me ask now: who plans to have documents to > discuss in Anaheim, on what topics? > > http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF > > > From v6ops-archive@ietf.org Thu Feb 11 01:24:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452623A6CA7 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:24:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.117 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.117 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_95=3, HELO_EQ_CZ=0.445, HOST_EQ_BROADBND=1.118, HOST_EQ_CZ=0.904, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.552, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SBL=20, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFsmEKj8zuzK for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from 109.163.broadband2.iol.cz (109.163.broadband2.iol.cz [83.208.163.109]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36C53A7687 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: "VIAGRA from Pfizer" To: v6ops-archive@ietf.org Subject: v6ops-archive Winter -80% Deals Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100211092450.E36C53A7687@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:24:50 -0800 (PST) December 2009
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Feb 12 13:44:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726B428C284 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:44:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.059 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.059 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.622, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id akmmEfpkd4GW for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0A928C288 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:44:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ng3E7-0000nw-Ab for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:39:03 +0000 Received: from [201.216.232.80] (helo=smtp1.xmundo.net) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ng3E3-0000nf-La for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:38:59 +0000 Received: from venus.xmundo.net (venus.xmundo.net [201.216.232.56]) by smtp1.xmundo.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A806B687D; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:39:01 -0300 (ART) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (129-130-17-190.fibertel.com.ar [190.17.130.129]) (authenticated bits=0) by venus.xmundo.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o1CLct18031701; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:38:55 -0300 Message-ID: <4B75CA6B.1040209@gont.com.ar> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:38:51 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suresh Krishnan CC: "ipv6@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" Subject: Re: Implementation of the RA Route Information (RFC 4191) option? References: <4B55F369.4070502@gont.com.ar> <4B5627B2.9040002@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4B5627B2.9040002@ericsson.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 OpenPGP: id=D076FFF1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (venus.xmundo.net [201.216.232.56]); Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:39:00 -0300 (ART) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hello, > radvd, which is a router advertisement daemon running on Linux, > supports this option. Can anybody point to any document that provides some kind of summary about what Neighbor Discovery options are supported in each platform? Even better, is there any site/document that keeps track about the implementation of IPv6 features in different stacks? (say, RDNSS ND option, Inverse Neighbor Discovery, etc., etc.) Thanks! Kind regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From send-archive@lists.ietf.org Sat Feb 13 07:33:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B6228C18E for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:33:27 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C2 hex): From: Approved VIAGRA\302\256 Store ; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:33:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from amateurmatch.com (unknown [109.60.231.46]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B458C28C181 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: Approved VIAGRA® Store Subject: Important notice: Google Apps browser support To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100213153322.B458C28C181@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:33:01 -0800 (PST)
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 15 07:17:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CC43A7B72 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:17:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.352, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id faGWFtL5pClA for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C9628C1B4 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh2cy-000H0P-OT for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:12:48 +0000 Received: from [192.100.122.233] (helo=mgw-mx06.nokia.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh2ct-000Gza-Sy for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:12:45 +0000 Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o1FFCAA2010482; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:12:37 +0200 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:12:15 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:12:16 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) with mapi; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:12:14 +0100 From: To: , Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:09:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Topic: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Index: AcquUPAVafOjL3MKTb+sqDzP7G9nYw== Message-ID: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8NOKEUMSG01mgd_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2010 15:12:16.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[42436EE0:01CAAE51] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: --_000_18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8NOKEUMSG01mgd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix delegation prop= osal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without encapsulation: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-00 This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) shorter than= /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via point-to-point li= nks (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption on IPv6 address space. I= think the approach would be useful if many devices would need few addition= al /64s, but would not compete with flexibility of RFC3633. Best regards, Teemu --_000_18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8NOKEUMSG01mgd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix delegation= proposal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without encapsulat= ion:
 
 
This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) shorter= than /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via point-to-poi= nt links (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption on IPv6 address spa= ce. I think the approach would be useful if many devices would need few additional /64s, but would not compet= e with flexibility of RFC3633.
 
Best regards,
 
Teemu
 
 
 
 
 --_000_18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8NOKEUMSG01mgd_-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 15 13:35:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041E628C10C for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:35:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.702, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQ+FPK0d+kt9 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBC228C10A for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh8XU-000CSu-HP for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:31:32 +0000 Received: from [72.14.220.157] (helo=fg-out-1718.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh8XQ-000CSR-Bs for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:31:28 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so624662fgb.17 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:31:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=EQLanbj2JIj3R+FCHEjFp/NHG/UPIRjBoVlW+gf2z2E=; b=hvW8tnX8eWIJD2/YDEyyy+yvgxQBwc5rx4jNH9CLzQOzD3f4i5mRL9CBSX97SRqJHm 4FFFXoDsTVWKnJ+qax+Wd2L50UCtENRnoIvfXPB7+wPy3xn+tZU1U/TtAgZKgE4JlNrZ SnXn0rijuXz6EgIocFJFBReRZWBEzzAtZ1OBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=tyoVOBK/1P6z8nihQ8IgdLm2dq9iM1p6sAg2iYHXeoExkWEJeQKriI7doQd6KUDztD Q61SJp+RnlS+zc4OY3tFwTAEwpnO7Id4Pzm7DPx4CFEn93J6OTWbUfUScbkCfkjFAmh8 k11ALcqgKNTJK06FhXp1dJqrxgun+/uoQoUbo= Received: by 10.87.72.8 with SMTP id z8mr9957157fgk.37.1266269486922; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from a88-114-166-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi (a88-114-166-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi [88.114.166.33]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d8sm14968558fga.28.2010.02.15.13.31.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:31:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: jouni korhonen In-Reply-To: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:31:24 +0200 Cc: IPv6 Operations Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5EE420CC-DB4F-4AB1-A662-F4B8A324C001@gmail.com> References: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> To: Fred Baker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, We would like to present the "IPv6 in 3GPP Evolved Packet System" I-D, = which as the title says, describes the current baseline of IPv6 in 3GPP = EPS (and also a bit of the deployment/architecture peculiarities). See = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-korhonen-v6ops-3gpp-eps-00 I would assume it is good background information regarding the recent = IPv6 migration and transition boom around 3G/4G cellular networks.. Cheers, Jouni On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > The draft cut-off for -00 drafts is the first of March, and for all = drafts is 8 March. Let me ask now: who plans to have documents to = discuss in Anaheim, on what topics? >=20 > http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF >=20 >=20 From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 15 19:43:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180083A7C1E for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:43:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.866 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.866 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qDKTYOjsGfj3 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B5B3A7C1C for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhEHT-0001fk-7T for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:39:23 +0000 Received: from [2001:418:1::81] (helo=nagasaki.bogus.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhEHP-0001fA-2e for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:39:19 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.151] (c-98-234-104-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.104.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o1G3d1tv092241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:39:05 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:39:00 -0800 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com CC: v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: I'd be inclined to hear that. FWIW. I guess it should be stated that I work for nokia again. joel teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: > Hi, > > Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix delegation > proposal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without > encapsulation: > > _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-00_ > > This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) shorter > than /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via > point-to-point links (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption on > IPv6 address space. I think the approach would be useful if many devices > would need few additional /64s, but would not compete with flexibility > of RFC3633. > > Best regards, > > Teemu > > > > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 15 20:31:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C9028C0F2 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:31:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.247 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.247 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.352, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FuDPbEvhgqQU for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D69728C0ED for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhF57-00078V-Uv for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:30:41 +0000 Received: from [209.85.210.173] (helo=mail-yx0-f173.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhF54-00078D-RA for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:30:38 +0000 Received: by yxe3 with SMTP id 3so614577yxe.32 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:30:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=tl2IW9dt6+xvzpXYehMLFCSlcBFdmvLNTtQle1VuLtI=; b=OdRf6AQOtZyLvSa6PM/5c//rGJMR7MCxWasbAY5dBPp4RT3em14wUztUTa6wQ2JzBK FlyQzIuEEVTjKQyiWyP59Cu8jU2vkYb1lg55gCjnK4oPaM2RZ/KOBhZ2m8nuourjVLyB Qw4riV6L8ZxIJky5isvjvEGGCHZZ2FP8MDKK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=a+rhsd9pPYbLaTC68KkkAUfotVs+8m5/gIHxGrsoBM++UfM5ru5vUb51AlnmwKyg2J g100KcSiDda572dIhKTKhhfEA0Zvmtm6u8NVeAxCivm9VXPZzXECOH3xe4WbayWPsEGD 4MkdcifBOZhL/Gdwx64+S43E9NXkBoGOsnED4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.59.14 with SMTP id h14mr4161740yba.299.1266294638148; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:30:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:30:38 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items From: Cameron Byrne To: Joel Jaeggli Cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > I'd be inclined to hear that. It would be more interesting to hear the plans of an operator than a vendor. Their view points are often different. Unfortunately, that is not how these things always work. The draft does an outstanding job of summarizing how things are supposed to work in the documentation. I am disappointed that the draft does not adequately address the IPv6-only use case, which is how things will likely work in the real world (see VZW handset spec for LTE where IPv6 connection is always mandatory, including for SMS, granted IPv4 is optional, but they have 30x the IPv4 space that T-Mobile USA has ...). Relegating IPv6-only to M2M communications when it will certainly be deployed for general services (IMS, web, email, ...) with NAT64 as needed. -- but that is my own operator specific technology drum beating -- full disclosure. > > FWIW. I guess it should be stated that I work for nokia again. Thanks for the disclosure. I was certainly thinking that. > > joel > > teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix delegation >> proposal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without >> encapsulation: >> >> _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-00_ >> >> This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) shorter >> than /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via >> point-to-point links (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption on >> IPv6 address space. I think the approach would be useful if many devices >> would need few additional /64s, but would not compete with flexibility >> of RFC3633. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Teemu >> >> >> >> > > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 15 21:18:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9B828C0D0 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:18:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p8-vwzys2eva for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F283A7C1E for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:17:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhFmz-000COm-Ph for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:16:01 +0000 Received: from [2001:418:1::81] (helo=nagasaki.bogus.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhFmx-000CO5-0A for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:15:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.151] (c-98-234-104-156.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.104.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o1G5EkKC097158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:14:50 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:14:45 -0800 From: Joel Jaeggli User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cameron Byrne CC: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.2 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Cameron Byrne wrote: > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: >> I'd be inclined to hear that. > > It would be more interesting to hear the plans of an operator than a > vendor. Their view points are often different. Not an unreasonable proposition. > Unfortunately, that > is not how these things always work. The draft does an outstanding > job of summarizing how things are supposed to work in the > documentation. I am disappointed that the draft does not adequately > address the IPv6-only use case, which is how things will likely work > in the real world (see VZW handset spec for LTE where IPv6 connection > is always mandatory, including for SMS, granted IPv4 is optional, but > they have 30x the IPv4 space that T-Mobile USA has ...). Relegating > IPv6-only to M2M communications when it will certainly be deployed for > general services (IMS, web, email, ...) with NAT64 as needed. -- but > that is my own operator specific technology drum beating -- full > disclosure. PD is basically the one thing that's going to keep my mobile router from having to NAT (which it does today in ipv4). I don't think the utility can properly be under-scored even if this proposal happens to be the wrong one. >> FWIW. I guess it should be stated that I work for nokia again. > > Thanks for the disclosure. I was certainly thinking that. Hey, it's only been two weeks, back under this flag, not used to it again myself. >> joel >> >> teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix delegation >>> proposal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without >>> encapsulation: >>> >>> _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-00_ >>> >>> This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) shorter >>> than /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via >>> point-to-point links (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption on >>> IPv6 address space. I think the approach would be useful if many devices >>> would need few additional /64s, but would not compete with flexibility >>> of RFC3633. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Teemu >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 15 23:36:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520BB3A7A95 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:36:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.901, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eit7h24JvqQH for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:36:08 -0800 (PST) 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi Teemu, On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:30:39 +0100 wrote: > Hi Joel, Cameron, > > I second operator's presentations on this topic:) But too often I feel that operators are not very interested to ensure hosts have enough addresses available for sharing.. You can hear this thought echoing e.g. on proposals saying hosts should have just /128, and no prefix delegation. How on earth you can share that kind of uplink connection without IPv6 NAT? > What sort of operators? As you're from Nokia, are you taking about mobile phone network operators? As for ISPs, I don't think they all believe that. I think they'd be quite well aware that their customers are sharing their single IPv4 address with multiple devices via NAT, and won't be living in a fantasy that they're selling a Internet connection/single IPv4 address for each device residential customers want to attach. If they've also deployed VoIP services they may have also had to deal with VoIP/NAT interaction issues, which hopefully would have taught them the benefits of unique addressing for all edge devices. If an ISP tries to only give out a single /128, their competitors can and probably will use that as a marketing weapon - "Other stingy ISPs give you a single IP address. We'll give you plenty, because we've got plenty." > Cameron, the intent of the draft is to explain IPv6-only case well. If its not already, I can definitely work on that - and feedback helps. The IPv6-only is actually the scenario I want to go to with this, but I have thought it helps people to get grab of the idea faster when explained via 6RD/6to4. > > When lacking locally unique IPv4 addresses (e.g. IPv6-only case, or GI-DS-Lite in works..), the n locally unique bits required for prefix calculation has to be obtained from some source, and that is not so easily done right (especially as the n is rather small value like 32 or less). In the draft I propose following sources as possibilities: > > 1) Unique /64 prefix obtained via RA - this could work in point-to-point link models using /64 prefix per link, like in 3GPP or WiMAX. I.e. instead of IPv4 address, bits from IPv6 prefix are used as source of uniqueness. The network could communicate how many bits to take from the prefix. > > 2) IPv4 address - feasible when uplink access is dual-stack. This is as nice as 6RD/6to4. > > 3) Interface Identifier - if host knows which bits from Interface Identifier are unique within a gateway scope, that can be used as well. This binds different layers together in not very nice manner, I think. But the gateway can ensure each host on each point-to-poink link has actually different interface identifier (or different 30 least significant bits). E.g. in PPP and 3GPP the network tells UE the IID. > > 4) DHCPv6 - if a host has been allocated /128 with DHCPv6, it could be arranged that e.g. the lowest bits are unique. But if you have stateful DHCPv6 in use, why not use DHCPv6 PD.. > > 5) Layer 2 identifier - this can be e.g. GTP TEID that is unique within 3GPP GW, and thus might work out in 3GPP environment, but is not so generally applicable. > > I would welcome ideas on what is the best approach (especially if there are other alternatives to choose from), if IPv4 address is not available. > > Best regards, > > Teemu > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ext Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joelja@bogus.com] > >Sent: 16 February, 2010 07:15 > >To: Cameron Byrne > >Cc: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-D/Tampere); v6ops@ops.ietf.org; > >fred@cisco.com > >Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items > > > > > > > >Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Joel Jaeggli > >wrote: > >>> I'd be inclined to hear that. > >> > >> It would be more interesting to hear the plans of an operator than a > >> vendor. Their view points are often different. > > > >Not an unreasonable proposition. > > > >> Unfortunately, that > >> is not how these things always work. The draft does an outstanding > >> job of summarizing how things are supposed to work in the > >> documentation. I am disappointed that the draft does not adequately > >> address the IPv6-only use case, which is how things will likely work > >> in the real world (see VZW handset spec for LTE where IPv6 connection > >> is always mandatory, including for SMS, granted IPv4 is optional, but > >> they have 30x the IPv4 space that T-Mobile USA has ...). Relegating > >> IPv6-only to M2M communications when it will certainly be deployed for > >> general services (IMS, web, email, ...) with NAT64 as needed. -- but > >> that is my own operator specific technology drum beating -- full > >> disclosure. > > > >PD is basically the one thing that's going to keep my mobile router from > >having to NAT (which it does today in ipv4). I don't think the utility > >can properly be under-scored even if this proposal happens to be the > >wrong one. > > > >>> FWIW. I guess it should be stated that I work for nokia again. > >> > >> Thanks for the disclosure. I was certainly thinking that. > > > >Hey, it's only been two weeks, back under this flag, not used to it > >again myself. > > > >>> joel > >>> > >>> teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix > >delegation > >>>> proposal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without > >>>> encapsulation: > >>>> > >>>> _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-00_ > >>>> > >>>> This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) > >shorter > >>>> than /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via > >>>> point-to-point links (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption > >on > >>>> IPv6 address space. I think the approach would be useful if many > >devices > >>>> would need few additional /64s, but would not compete with > >flexibility > >>>> of RFC3633. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> > >>>> Teemu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 05:14:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1213A687C for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.801, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fYmZ7YaTbLYo for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:14:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E963A76B1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNCL-000LDO-Tp for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:10:41 +0000 Received: from [209.85.210.173] (helo=mail-yx0-f173.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNCH-000LCp-4C for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:10:37 +0000 Received: by yxe3 with SMTP id 3so911333yxe.32 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:10:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7EZAGEbcwALloiCwGjFVLTbr5iqmTX1s1aTT2haGtqw=; b=pt8SRUDKC6tR4OljQDZOn/CUe2cpLANYQXrFELWMj63kEdbaNP1pGYuZcxo9SZhLCR xDM6ZsCFBidPmtmMHMQmw9JYlmPqbKgGtEjvqPa2tNbZ080SALRoOq+7Eq+uOID5dvUh D2QmfYYQNkeS6nP9VuLpHXkeRdLzHr151D1vk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DfyfATOXx/kO9WAaqf//2LXJ6vRrXhKGgxXGAjB3mQ6cyeCN0VuHDDyT3qADLerY0s Sea1/BaqGXucm0VQeF2BjsD72NUl7vHvcdVcR/29GzLCEQDf6MCV3h3tLw4o5l4MepQT 5lHUk5f6tYD7CCCUOP2NsdYBfl/pjWhIak1iE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.21.3 with SMTP id y3mr8904199ybi.107.1266325836170; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:10:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:10:36 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items From: Cameron Byrne To: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com Cc: joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:30 PM, wrote: > Hi Joel, Cameron, > > I second operator's presentations on this topic:) But too often I feel th= at operators are not very interested to ensure hosts have enough addresses = available for sharing.. You can hear this thought echoing e.g. on proposals= saying hosts should have just /128, and no prefix delegation. How on earth= you can share that kind of uplink connection without IPv6 NAT? > > Cameron, the intent of the draft is to explain IPv6-only case well. If it= s not already, I can definitely work on that - and feedback helps. The IPv6= -only is actually the scenario I want to go to with this, but I have though= t it helps people to get grab of the idea faster when explained via 6RD/6to= 4. > > When lacking locally unique IPv4 addresses (e.g. IPv6-only case, or GI-DS= -Lite in works..), the n locally unique bits required for prefix calculatio= n has to be obtained from some source, and that is not so easily done right= (especially as the n is rather small value like 32 or less). In the draft = I propose following sources as possibilities: > > 1) Unique /64 prefix obtained via RA - this could work in point-to-point = link models using /64 prefix per link, like in 3GPP or WiMAX. I.e. instead = of IPv4 address, bits from IPv6 prefix are used as source of uniqueness. Th= e network could communicate how many bits to take from the prefix. > > 2) IPv4 address - feasible when uplink access is dual-stack. This is as n= ice as 6RD/6to4. > > 3) Interface Identifier - if host knows which bits from Interface Identif= ier are unique within a gateway scope, that can be used as well. This binds= different layers together in not very nice manner, I think. But the gatewa= y can ensure each host on each point-to-poink link has actually different i= nterface identifier (or different 30 least significant bits). E.g. in PPP a= nd 3GPP the network tells UE the IID. > > 4) DHCPv6 - if a host has been allocated /128 with DHCPv6, it could be ar= ranged that e.g. the lowest bits are unique. But if you have stateful DHCPv= 6 in use, why not use DHCPv6 PD.. > > 5) Layer 2 identifier - this can be e.g. GTP TEID that is unique within 3= GPP GW, and thus might work out in 3GPP environment, but is not so generall= y applicable. > > I would welcome ideas on what is the best approach (especially if there a= re other alternatives to choose from), if IPv4 address is not available. > :) I was talking about draft-korhonen-v6ops-3gpp-eps-00 :) Which i will state again, it is very well written, clear, accurate, and concise. But i think you are talking about draft-korhonen-v6ops-3gpp-eps-00 That said, i think it is very unfortunate that the 3GPP standards requires a /64 per PDP or EPS bearer. It is a huge waste of space and operators like me won't tolerate or deploy systems like this. /128 is obviously not good. /64 is not good either. The standards should allow flexibility for the operator to decide this /126 or /112..... Given that the standards don't allow this flexibility in 3GPP, it forces me to make it a non-standards exception in the RFP and product requirements, which costs both me (the operator) and you (the network and handset vendor) more money in taking out restrictions that made sense 7+ years ago. I have been seeing this a lot lately. Here is a good example: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nsp/ipv6/20788 and http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/76/slides/6man-2.pdf Today's network operators have learned some IPv6 lesson along the way and are rejecting out-dated IETF and soon 3GPP guidance. In the best case, nothing is hard coded and network deployments can evolve. In the worst case, things like /64 per PDP is hard-coded and things are not so easy... Best regards, Cameron > Best regards, > > Teemu > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: ext Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joelja@bogus.com] >>Sent: 16 February, 2010 07:15 >>To: Cameron Byrne >>Cc: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-D/Tampere); v6ops@ops.ietf.org; >>fred@cisco.com >>Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items >> >> >> >>Cameron Byrne wrote: >>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Joel Jaeggli >>wrote: >>>> I'd be inclined to hear that. >>> >>> It would be more interesting to hear the plans of an operator than a >>> vendor. =A0Their view points are often different. >> >>Not an unreasonable proposition. >> >>> =A0Unfortunately, that >>> is not how these things always work. =A0The draft does an outstanding >>> job of summarizing how things are supposed to work in the >>> documentation. =A0I am disappointed that the draft does not adequately >>> address the IPv6-only use case, which is how things will likely work >>> in the real world (see VZW handset spec for LTE where IPv6 connection >>> is always mandatory, including for SMS, granted IPv4 is optional, but >>> they have 30x the IPv4 space that T-Mobile USA has =A0...). =A0Relegati= ng >>> IPv6-only to M2M communications when it will certainly be deployed for >>> general services (IMS, web, email, ...) with NAT64 as needed. -- but >>> that is my own operator specific technology drum beating -- full >>> disclosure. >> >>PD is basically the one thing that's going to keep my mobile router from >>having to NAT (which it does today in ipv4). I don't think the utility >>can properly be under-scored even if this proposal happens to be the >>wrong one. >> >>>> FWIW. I guess it should be stated that I work for nokia again. >>> >>> Thanks for the disclosure. =A0I was certainly thinking that. >> >>Hey, it's only been two weeks, back under this flag, not used to it >>again myself. >> >>>> joel >>>> >>>> teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix >>delegation >>>>> proposal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without >>>>> encapsulation: >>>>> >>>>> _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-00_ >>>>> >>>>> This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) >>shorter >>>>> than /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via >>>>> point-to-point links (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption >>on >>>>> IPv6 address space. I think the approach would be useful if many >>devices >>>>> would need few additional /64s, but would not compete with >>flexibility >>>>> of RFC3633. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Teemu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 05:25:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C099628C110 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:25:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bAAz12mp8K35 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73C628C105 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNQy-000N3y-Tn for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:25:48 +0000 Received: from [2001:608:2:2::250] (helo=moebius3.space.net) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNQw-000N3N-9A for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:25:46 +0000 Received: (qmail 5413 invoked by uid 1007); 16 Feb 2010 14:25:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:25:42 +0100 From: Gert Doering To: Cameron Byrne Cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items Message-ID: <20100216132542.GD3692@Space.Net> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-NCC-RegID: de.space User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 05:10:36AM -0800, Cameron Byrne wrote: > That said, i think it is very unfortunate that the 3GPP standards > requires a /64 per PDP or EPS bearer. It is a huge waste of space and > operators like me won't tolerate or deploy systems like this. Why exactly are you worrying? The smallest address block that you can get from your RIR is a /32, which gives you 4 billion /64s. If you have more handsets than that, the RIRs will be happy to give you a larger chunk of addresses. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 144438 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 05:40:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A493A7D00 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:40:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.646 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.646 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.751, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4Kt7xlSeJg3 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075D03A7CF9 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:40:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNfU-000P7C-Tx for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:40:48 +0000 Received: from [192.100.122.230] (helo=mgw-mx03.nokia.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNfR-000P6c-V6 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:40:46 +0000 Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o1GDeOxE002780; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:40:32 +0200 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:40:24 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:40:19 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.5]) with mapi; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:40:19 +0100 From: To: CC: , , , <3gv6@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:38:00 +0100 Subject: RE: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Topic: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Index: AcqvCXKafZV1O/j5RvaQPoULX52X0AAAV0cA Message-ID: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CF70@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2010 13:40:19.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[949CF370:01CAAF0D] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi Cameron, >:) > >I was talking about draft-korhonen-v6ops-3gpp-eps-00 :) Which i >will state again, it is very well written, clear, accurate, and >concise. I have to say I was slightly confused to where you actually replied when I = was writing my reply back:) Thanks for feedback on that draft as well. But this is interesting discussion nevertheless. >That said, i think it is very unfortunate that the 3GPP standards >requires a /64 per PDP or EPS bearer. It is a huge waste of space and >operators like me won't tolerate or deploy systems like this. /128 is >obviously not good. /64 is not good either. The standards should >allow flexibility for the operator to decide this /126 or /112..... >Given that the standards don't allow this flexibility in 3GPP, it >forces me to make it a non-standards exception in the RFP and product >requirements, which costs both me (the operator) and you (the network >and handset vendor) more money in taking out restrictions that made >sense 7+ years ago. I just don't see reason why that restriction would have to be changed in an= y way. Perhaps things could have been better, but surely changing this conc= ept costs way much more in changes, delays, and in increased complexity tha= n the supposedly wasted IPv6 address space can possibly cost.=20 >Today's network operators have learned some IPv6 lesson along the way >and are rejecting out-dated IETF and soon 3GPP guidance. In the best Hmm.. I don't quite agree on this. >case, nothing is hard coded and network deployments can evolve. In >the worst case, things like /64 per PDP is hard-coded and things are >not so easy... Its pretty much hard coded alright, and as far as I know there are no serio= us discussion, or solid arguments, to change it to anything else. The discu= ssion now is about whether UEs should be additionally given shorter than /6= 4 and with which tools. Best regards, Teemu From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 05:40:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072E73A7D00 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:40:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xidzJSrHdySA for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3778F3A7CF9 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:40:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNeM-000OvP-4i for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:39:38 +0000 Received: from [2a00:801::217:8ff:fe5b:81eb] (helo=uplift.swm.pp.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNeH-000Oue-SO for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:39:34 +0000 Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4D7199C; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:39:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2809A; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:39:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:39:32 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Cameron Byrne cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > requires a /64 per PDP or EPS bearer. It is a huge waste of space and > operators like me won't tolerate or deploy systems like this. /128 is Why is this a waste of space? With a /32, you can support 4.29 billion /64s. Should be enough for most cellular operators, if they need more, they can just ask and they'll be given more IPv6 space. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 05:55:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A933A7D03 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:55:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.586 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.586 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.691, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dg-YTTH0DWI1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCFF3A7C91 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNsx-0001OA-MI for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:54:43 +0000 Received: from [209.85.210.173] (helo=mail-yx0-f173.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNsu-0001Nm-PS for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:54:40 +0000 Received: by yxe3 with SMTP id 3so963415yxe.32 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:54:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=c3KC9qd/E25ZOdrVBX2nXyc55Qd3soUXPFSoe14+XbA=; b=SitX+zOaNXnm65t04hkaX82OofU0JvMC+s7Y1wVGhRkwz/ovh9p2NnAW0nOG5TLRhR wWPj704Qh1s4HAz8Q+Vhx7+GWj0SWXT/rrJ0iICzNUkSF4Cx1QL1tyT9k2sOQnO2eC3N 4Rlp100lrN49E6w23RAlXz0xJIw/5p1Q5Qo0o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jFbwUjrGtWuDRXhyWLowfURJWEXBFjvM9bXk/4DJdWPPRoQw2QF9Q0HQVWSJxvojiN HAkTEkO6GqIWBO7l8OtQf+AVXin9gUZ15MCOa+8lFmsbjRQzbZLioJunkcaU3u/+1ejx AYZodPy4h5ZYx57j3yHEGrjpSgJ5Yn36EEjsQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.119.13 with SMTP id r13mr12167149ybc.238.1266328479936; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:54:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:54:38 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items From: Cameron Byrne To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrot= e: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> requires a /64 per PDP or EPS bearer. =A0It is a huge waste of space and >> operators like me won't tolerate or deploy systems like this. =A0/128 is > > Why is this a waste of space? With a /32, you can support 4.29 billion /6= 4s. > Should be enough for most cellular operators, if they need more, they can > just ask and they'll be given more IPv6 space. > Right. I have heard this time and again from the IPv6 zealots. But, for me it does not make sense to needlessly waste space. And, if you looked at the links i sent, perhaps you would see that there are indeed issues with these long prefixes that network operators really have today such as the ping-pong issue. But, as an ISP / mobile provider i should only need a single /32 right? That is how the routing system is setup. But here is some simple math on how my /32 is not enough if i give /64 per mobile subscriber 2^24 =3D 16,777,216 =3D /64 per GGSN or PGW ( I anticipate GGSN / PGW of the future to support 10 Million PDP attached subscriber) 2^6 =3D 64 geographic PGW locations (I have nearly 30 locations today, in the future 64 is reasonable) If you have think the user numbers are high, perhaps you have not seen any forecasts on how machine to machine communication will grow on cellular networks. So, that is how I used 30 bits on the initial deployment. Yes, I can ask for more space.... but why should I? And, what if everyone asks for more space? And everyone gets non-contiguous blocks? And what if 500k IPv4 routes don't go away in 10 years? Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with giving a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter ...) a /112 or something similar? Why is it so important that the 3GPP specs REQUIRE a /64, and consequently the vendors don't support anything else? Really, GGSN vendors only support /64 .... Cameron > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson =A0 =A0email: swmike@swm.pp.se > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 06:00:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A202F3A7D06 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:00:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZWJmM2IBbe-v for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2BB3A7D0F for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNyq-0002Qq-3t for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:00:48 +0000 Received: from [2a00:801::217:8ff:fe5b:81eb] (helo=uplift.swm.pp.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhNyi-0002PR-CI for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:00:40 +0000 Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id BEA899C; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:00:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2519A; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:00:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:00:38 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Cameron Byrne cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with > giving a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter > ...) a /112 or something similar? Why is it so important that the 3GPP > specs REQUIRE a /64, and consequently the vendors don't support anything > else? Really, GGSN vendors only support /64 .... I also work for a cellular provider/ISP, but I guess I can combine that with being an "ipv6 zealot". Yes, I do agree that requiring a /64 per bearer/PDP is suboptimal, there should be a choice. I still don't think it's a waste of space, but I can agree that allowing for a few different subnet sizes would make sense. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 06:06:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065EF3A7D0A for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:06:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.644, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FE4VTuD3+cMO for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFBC3A7315 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhO4V-0003Rq-Ed for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:06:39 +0000 Received: from [209.85.210.173] (helo=mail-yx0-f173.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhO4M-0003QS-Bs for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:06:30 +0000 Received: by yxe3 with SMTP id 3so977199yxe.32 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:06:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QBg+aF3HmAVFZctHWc8ZFAYPte5Z/Hp/7I6USvuU/PU=; b=iQxU7zdcgyOpaWh72/QrRHgRCS/SknaFgv0X/v91Z8cJl6WSJBKf7LqzbMGXN9t5fJ ppyUWD2KJtZjA+a/YsM7lJhxPLI2E/LN98g5vQHE206zq3WKRuTqKncnivL2+XxcDXeD eyTqq0aPJC3XjzUzxtKPtWr2X8NnzP5JXhbUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J5TtRG+/osWJ0YfUaujuAoGo87A1wDJi3m59s6FZ/8FaXYtZ5Zn4xOPhMai+CuAlHI 0Le9hTYIwYQcIgZcDNHQB1MVmRYIVu3OIqC3UtN660KeUQKTDaFr7SfbU8INYCljyyba z7aU3NC98Q8noPzyZ6ATGZVKqXfppiz2QnfhI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.60.3 with SMTP id n3mr9796538ybk.32.1266329189667; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:06:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:06:29 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items From: Cameron Byrne To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrot= e: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with givi= ng >> a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter ...) a /11= 2 or >> something similar? =A0Why is it so important that the 3GPP specs REQUIRE= a >> /64, and consequently the vendors don't support anything else? =A0Really= , GGSN >> vendors only support /64 .... > > I also work for a cellular provider/ISP, but I guess I can combine that w= ith > being an "ipv6 zealot". :) > > Yes, I do agree that requiring a /64 per bearer/PDP is suboptimal, there > should be a choice. I still don't think it's a waste of space, but I can > agree that allowing for a few different subnet sizes would make sense. > Teemu, That means there are 2 of us now. Does that make it relevant conversation? Keep in mind, if it is hard coded in ipv6 in 2010 make a big difference from being hard coded in 2012. Lets fix it now in the standards, otherwise an enterprising GGSN manufacturer will add it as a knob and customers will buy it and use it. Cameron > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson =A0 =A0email: swmike@swm.pp.se > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 06:07:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790753A7D0B for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:07:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uauacsfokOgW for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A436D3A7315 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhO61-0003fa-96 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:08:13 +0000 Received: from [2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db] (helo=jazz.viagenie.ca) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhO5w-0003ex-IS for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:08:08 +0000 Received: from ringo.viagenie.ca (ringo.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000::67]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F52A20E59; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:08:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4B7AA6C6.9080107@viagenie.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:08:06 -0500 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cameron Byrne CC: Mikael Abrahamsson , joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: [3gv6] Call for v6ops agenda items References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 2010-02-16 08:54, Cameron Byrne wrote: > Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with > giving a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter > ...) a /112 or something similar? Why is it so important that the > 3GPP specs REQUIRE a /64, and consequently the vendors don't support > anything else? Advantages of /64: - Stateless autoconfig - Privacy addresses [RFC4941] - ...others? (help me here) /64 is not just /63+1. Simon -- NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca vCard 4.0 --> http://www.vcarddav.org From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 06:20:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F373A7993 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:20:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.687, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ii4LDF83W+z3 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0E53A79A1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhOGM-0005Ha-Kk for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:18:54 +0000 Received: from [192.100.122.233] (helo=mgw-mx06.nokia.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhOGH-0005Gd-5k for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:18:49 +0000 Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o1GEIX2q019729; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:18:36 +0200 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:18:33 +0200 Received: from vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.22]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:18:10 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) by vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:18:05 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-04.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) with mapi; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:17:45 +0100 From: To: , CC: , , , <3gv6@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:15:26 +0100 Subject: RE: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Topic: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Index: AcqvD50fiKji/ormRueMveG1fROmnwAAXw3A Message-ID: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CFC9@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2010 14:18:05.0898 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB6B12A0:01CAAF12] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: >-----Original Message----- >From: ext Cameron Byrne [mailto:cb.list6@gmail.com] >Sent: 16 February, 2010 15:55 >To: Mikael Abrahamsson >Cc: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-D/Tampere); joelja@bogus.com; >v6ops@ops.ietf.org; fred@cisco.com; 3gv6@ietf.org >Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items > >Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with >giving a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter >...) a /112 or something similar? Why is it so important that the >3GPP specs REQUIRE a /64, and consequently the vendors don't support >anything else? Really, GGSN vendors only support /64 .... Well, timing at least. We should now deploy v6, not discuss on link models.= Remember RFC4682 SLAAC that says: -- 5.5.3. Router Advertisement Processing For each Prefix-Information option in the Router Advertisement: .... If the sum of the prefix length and interface identifier length does not equal 128 bits, the Prefix Information option MUST be ignored. An implementation MAY wish to log a system management error in this case. The length of the interface identifier is defined in a separate link-type specific document, which should also be consistent with the address architecture [RFC4291] (see Section 2). -- So in addition to dynamic prefix length, you'd need to have some sort of dy= namic interface identifier length? More specification work... One additional reason is unification with Ethernet and other link types. Yo= u can have simple IPv6 stack implementation that assumes 64 bit IID and /64= prefix, and therefore can work easily with different kinds of links. I.e. = you can separate modem and IP stack implementations more easily. With /64 prefix you can bridge (or rather ND Proxy) the cellular interface = to (W)LAN. If you'd have /112, how to bridge/proxy?=20 Best regards, Teemu From v6ops-archive@megatron.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 11:26:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47793A75C8 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:26:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -29.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HELO_EQ_PL=1.135, HOST_EQ_PL=1.95, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SBL=20, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOAwm-+B46Mu for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gni178.internetdsl.tpnet.pl (gni178.internetdsl.tpnet.pl [83.3.86.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9373A785D for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:26:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Pfizer (tm) VIAGRA (c)" To: v6ops-archive@megatron.ietf.org Subject: Personal v6ops-archive 76% Off MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20100216192644.1C9373A785D@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:26:43 -0800 (PST) User v6ops-archive Newsletter
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 12:33:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD9828C180 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:33:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.739, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_AU=0.377, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0s4Rwca+mPL for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A721F3A7BCF for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhU37-0004SK-49 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:29:37 +0000 Received: from [202.136.110.249] (helo=smtp3.adam.net.au) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhU33-0004Rh-52; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:29:33 +0000 Received: from 114-30-111-148.ip.adam.com.au ([114.30.111.148] helo=opy.nosense.org) by smtp3.adam.net.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NhU2u-0006ai-Ft; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:59:24 +1030 Received: from opy.nosense.org (localhost.localdomain [IPv6:::1]) by opy.nosense.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553724930C; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:59:23 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:59:23 +1030 From: Mark Smith To: Cameron Byrne Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items Message-ID: <20100217065923.25611f59@opy.nosense.org> In-Reply-To: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.6; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Location: Lower Mitcham, South Australia, 5062 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:06:29 -0800 Cameron Byrne wrote: > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:00 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wr= ote: > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > > > >> Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with gi= ving > >> a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter ...) a /= 112 or > >> something similar? =A0Why is it so important that the 3GPP specs REQUI= RE a > >> /64, and consequently the vendors don't support anything else? =A0Real= ly, GGSN > >> vendors only support /64 .... > > > > I also work for a cellular provider/ISP, but I guess I can combine that= with > > being an "ipv6 zealot". >=20 > :) >=20 I don't think you should be smiling. Calling people names who disagree with your opinion will make them less likely to be interesting in listening to it. >=20 > > > > Yes, I do agree that requiring a /64 per bearer/PDP is suboptimal, there > > should be a choice. I still don't think it's a waste of space, but I can > > agree that allowing for a few different subnet sizes would make sense. > > >=20 > Teemu, >=20 > That means there are 2 of us now. Does that make it relevant > conversation? Keep in mind, if it is hard coded in ipv6 in 2010 make > a big difference from being hard coded in 2012. Lets fix it now in > the standards, otherwise an enterprising GGSN manufacturer will add it > as a knob and customers will buy it and use it. >=20 > Cameron >=20 > > -- > > Mikael Abrahamsson =A0 =A0email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > >=20 From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 13:02:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9273228C1C1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.247 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.247 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.352, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IgbaY295zsLF for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D96528C1B7 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:02:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUXo-000ABO-9t for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:01:20 +0000 Received: from [17.254.13.23] (helo=mail-out4.apple.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUXk-000AAv-OV for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:01:17 +0000 Received: from relay11.apple.com (relay11.apple.com [17.128.113.48]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3C48C6BD87; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:01:15 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807130-b7b0aae00000102c-d1-4b7b079ba0aa Received: from il0602f-dhcp114.apple.com (il0602f-dhcp114.apple.com [17.206.50.114]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay11.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id A0.5B.04140.B970B7B4; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:01:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: james woodyatt In-Reply-To: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:01:14 -0800 Cc: IPv6 Operations Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9F227778-2EE4-41D4-AD7D-F04243D16EF4@apple.com> References: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> To: Fred Baker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Feb 10, 2010, at 07:58, Fred Baker wrote: >=20 > The draft cut-off for -00 drafts is the first of March, and for all = drafts is 8 March. Let me ask now: who plans to have documents to = discuss in Anaheim, on what topics? I plan to revise draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security, and I'm pretty = sure I will be present in Anaheim to participate in person in another = discussion. Perhaps, this time, we could have some discussion on the = list about the current revision of the draft prior to my revising it, in = the hopes that I can catch all of the remaining points of contention = that continue to obstruct its proceeding through a successful = working-group last call. -- james woodyatt member of technical staff, communications engineering From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 13:11:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC593A78E1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.302, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VJsv+YWxOYc1 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Simon Perreault >=20 > On 2010-02-16 08:54, Cameron Byrne wrote: > > Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with > > giving a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter > > ...) a /112 or something similar? Why is it so important that the > > 3GPP specs REQUIRE a /64, and consequently the vendors don't support > > anything else? >=20 > Advantages of /64: >=20 > - Stateless autoconfig Right. > - Privacy addresses [RFC4941] Hmm...=20 When the link is point-to-point (such as in cellular systems), every host h= as to be assigned with a unique prefix. Doing so makes the use of randomize= d interface identifiers [RFC4941] ineffective from a privacy protection poi= nt of view because the host can still be uniquely identified by its prefix.= =20 --julien From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 13:11:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E373A78E1 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.901, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uPSx-3haKzHA for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC97E28C1AD for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUhZ-000BwT-9I for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:11:25 +0000 Received: from [17.254.13.22] (helo=mail-out3.apple.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUhV-000Bvv-LN for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:11:21 +0000 Received: from relay11.apple.com (relay11.apple.com [17.128.113.48]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008438515F5A; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:21 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: 11807130-b7b0aae00000102c-e9-4b7b09f81f51 Received: from il0602f-dhcp114.apple.com (il0602f-dhcp114.apple.com [17.206.50.114]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay11.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id FD.1E.04140.8F90B7B4; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [3gv6] Call for v6ops agenda items Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: james woodyatt In-Reply-To: <4B7AA6C6.9080107@viagenie.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:11:20 -0800 Cc: Cameron Byrne , Simon Perreault Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9779B3DE-FAF7-4052-BAA8-5B82DEB313D8@apple.com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7AA6C6.9080107@viagenie.ca> To: IPv6 Operations X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Feb 16, 2010, at 06:08, Simon Perreault wrote: > On 2010-02-16 08:54, Cameron Byrne wrote: >> Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with >> giving a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter >> ...) a /112 or something similar? Why is it so important that the >> 3GPP specs REQUIRE a /64, and consequently the vendors don't support >> anything else? >=20 > Advantages of /64: >=20 > - Stateless autoconfig > - Privacy addresses [RFC4941] > - ...others? (help me here) >=20 > /64 is not just /63+1. On top of that, if you're just trying to put global addresses on your = interior router interfaces without restricting the size of the prefixes = you delegate to subscribers, then you should be able to use ULA instead = of PI or PA addresses, then aggregate all the PPP links as if they are a = single NBMA prefix. What's the problem? -- james woodyatt member of technical staff, communications engineering From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 13:27:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C6D3A7DC0 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCMA8GmV0JiK for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7423A7CB7 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUy4-000E59-HS for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:28:28 +0000 Received: from [2620:0:230:8000:226:55ff:fe57:14db] (helo=jazz.viagenie.ca) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUxy-000E4T-ID for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:28:22 +0000 Received: from ringo.viagenie.ca (ringo.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000::67]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 926B4210F7; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:28:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4B7B0DF5.1060207@viagenie.ca> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:28:21 -0500 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Laganier, Julien" CC: Cameron Byrne , "joelja@bogus.com" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "3gv6@ietf.org" <3gv6@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [3gv6] Call for v6ops agenda items References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7AA6C6.9080107@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 2010-02-16 16:11, Laganier, Julien wrote: >> - Privacy addresses [RFC4941] > > Hmm... > > When the link is point-to-point (such as in cellular systems), every host has to be assigned with a unique prefix. Doing so makes the use of randomized interface identifiers [RFC4941] ineffective from a privacy protection point of view because the host can still be uniquely identified by its prefix. Of course. This is true for any network. 3GPP is not special in this respect. Quoting from RFC4941: Although it might appear that changing an address regularly in such environments would be desirable to lessen privacy concerns, it should be noted that the network prefix portion of an address also serves as a constant identifier. All nodes at, say, a home, would have the same network prefix, which identifies the topological location of those nodes. This has implications for privacy, though not at the same granularity as the concern that this document addresses. Specifically, all nodes within a home could be grouped together for the purposes of collecting information. If the network contains a very small number of nodes, say, just one, changing just the interface identifier will not enhance privacy at all, since the prefix serves as a constant identifier. But others have already mentioned that we cannot assume that there is always only one host per 3GPP link. Simon -- NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca vCard 4.0 --> http://www.vcarddav.org From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 16 13:27:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2093A7DBF for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.204 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.204 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.309, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RymbjwB0Q8Qf for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D310F3A7CB7 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUwt-000Dvf-T0 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:27:15 +0000 Received: from [198.24.6.9] (helo=imr1.ericy.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhUwp-000Dv6-Uq for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:27:12 +0000 Received: from eusaamw0707.eamcs.ericsson.se ([147.117.20.32]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o1GLSsnt028250; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:28:54 -0600 Received: from [142.133.10.113] (147.117.20.212) by eusaamw0707.eamcs.ericsson.se (147.117.20.92) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.375.2; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:27:08 -0500 Message-ID: <4B7B0C9D.7050107@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:22:37 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Perreault CC: Cameron Byrne , "joelja@bogus.com" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "3gv6@ietf.org" <3gv6@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [3gv6] Call for v6ops agenda items References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7AA6C6.9080107@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <4B7AA6C6.9080107@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On 10-02-16 09:08 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: > On 2010-02-16 08:54, Cameron Byrne wrote: >> Instead of answering these questions, tell me what is so wrong with >> giving a mobile user (cell phone! security camera, electricity meter >> ...) a /112 or something similar? Why is it so important that the >> 3GPP specs REQUIRE a /64, and consequently the vendors don't support >> anything else? > > Advantages of /64: > > - Stateless autoconfig > - Privacy addresses [RFC4941] > - ...others? 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Feb 17 00:36:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89713A7E74 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:36:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MFrGK+JEpTiA for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02AE3A7E75 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhfKz-000Aif-HJ for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:32:49 +0000 Received: from [2a00:801::217:8ff:fe5b:81eb] (helo=uplift.swm.pp.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhfKv-000AhH-Pw for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:32:46 +0000 Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9980E9C; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:32:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EC09A; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:32:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:32:43 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Cameron Byrne cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A1354.40005@bogus.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > That means there are 2 of us now. Does that make it relevant > conversation? Keep in mind, if it is hard coded in ipv6 in 2010 make I have changed my mind. Looking at the scalability figures for current LTE architecture, your whole network will melt down before you even get CLOSE to 4 billion bearers, and even if you scale it past that, you just get a /30 instead of /32 and you can now have 16 billion simultaneous bearers. Let's stick with /64 for simplicity and for all the other reasons stated before. Let's focus on getting DHCPv6-PD etc working over this /64 instead, much rather put effort into that than trying to get smaller netblocks into the standard. It also simplifies filtering etc, the standard model today indicates that enduser /64 is a subnet with one or more devices within the same administrative entity, let's stick to that. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Feb 17 04:19:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD2E3A7472 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:19:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XQqDQlKd4cra for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A61FD3A73D5 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nhipv-000H1s-Pk for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:16:59 +0000 Received: from [2002:d9a0:db4b:1::9] (helo=p15139323.pureserver.info) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nhips-000H17-W8 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:16:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=squirrel.six.silmor.de) by p15139323.pureserver.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nhipq-0007Q2-ML; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:16:55 +0100 Received: from 2002:d9a0:db4b::4 (proxying for 188.92.33.52) (SquirrelMail authenticated user konrad) by squirrel.six.silmor.de with HTTP; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:16:55 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <885074f5a3bc21decfca6e7fcf3e6069.squirrel@squirrel.six.silmor.de> In-Reply-To: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia. com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:16:55 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items From: "Konrad Rosenbaum" To: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com Cc: v6ops@ops.ietf.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, On Mon, February 15, 2010 16:09, teemu.savolainen@nokia.com wrote: > Would there be interest to hear about stateless IPv6 prefix delegation > proposal - i.e. prefix delegation like in 6RD/6to4, but without > encapsulation: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-00 > > This approach would make it easy to delegate (mainly slightly) shorter > than /64 prefixes for a large number of devices connected via > point-to-point links (e.g. cellulars). The con is extra consumption on > IPv6 address space. I think the approach would be useful if many devices > would need few additional /64s, but would not compete with flexibility of > RFC3633. I see this from a SOHO perspective (ie. the one who uses the UMTS modem or DSL router). As a fan of self-organizing systems, self-organizing routing infrastructure is akin to the holy grail for me, but unfortunately I don't think this swallow can fly with a coconut in its beak. (SCNR) I have a few points of contention: * there already is a well working protocol for PD: DHCPv6; although I like the idea of finally getting rid of it * the unique-bits part is too large to work on more than one level, so it would be reserved to the ISP-to-User-line, but then again SLAAC is also reserved to the link level of routing * semantically it's not the right protocol for this: SLAAC is transmitted on the same link it configures, PD is transmitted on the upstream link of those (different links) that are configured * as a router admin I would never accept PD statelessly - i.e. without having asked for it; this might be just too much paranoia on my part though * stateless also means that the router has to reserve enough space for EVERY client, because it cannot know whether the client wants to use it; with a stateful protocol it only needs to reserve space and route the prefix once the client asks for it * for most OSes it has to be implemented in a user-space program anyway, since the kernel cannot know which interfaces to configure, but in userspace it does not matter whether I implement DHCP rapid commit or "stateless" PD with a request message - the complexity is the same I also have a problem with some of the uniqueness-source bits: P: should be restricted to prefixes announced in the same SLAAC message I/2: should be unified into just I, since it is guaranteed to exist and is dependent on layer 2 IDs anyway 4: I have a really big problem with this: it mixes protocols and requires a lot of dual-stack logic to exist on the host - you can make it a MAY, but then DHCPv6-PD has to exist as well as a backup D: it shouldn't mention DHCP directly, but instead use the word "stateful" as other RFCs do, but then again - how to know which IP is meant? The interface can have multiple IPs all configured through different stateful protocols and an independent process will not know through which protocol they came. BTW: why would one use stateless PD if there is stateful address assignment anyway? If multiple bits are set - is that legal? What should the host do? I also think the ping test should be a MUST, not a MAY. regards, Konrad From uh@megatron.ietf.org Wed Feb 17 08:29:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E03A3A7B55 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:29:45 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C2 hex): From: Approved VIAGRA\302\256 Store ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from f054208181.adsl.alicedsl.de (f054208181.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.54.208.181]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E2BC3A7CF8 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: Approved VIAGRA® Store Subject: Your Discount Code on Amazon for v6ops-archive@megatron.ietf.org To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100217162941.6E2BC3A7CF8@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:29:32 -0800 (PST)
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Feb 17 09:38:17 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342F228C0DF for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.513 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.513 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.618, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BsSTvZ5XGfbq for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08C8128C166 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nhnmu-0006N3-9d for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:34:12 +0000 Received: from [209.85.210.195] (helo=mail-yx0-f195.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nhnmr-0006MY-Vr for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:34:10 +0000 Received: by yxe33 with SMTP id 33so5915457yxe.5 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=jZotZNadhOaD73+Ykm8VFbS1dgz3HVH9zT4Cskq6ZdA=; b=SafJ5h4RNI2YXFTBbsDe/60vh9hLJXNSqPez6LNd9fZyCmqChrd61yYeccm9SNnnre mu5B+iFxen5fJ3azs2acZXVK8hCkFPt0a6zm1dxJeabWPHOv0+rlvaEwQBhI80ALXrFd wFId6jqSYphvAQOP3WXDz5+0zvg9Q9qaFkBYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UQo8ySTr6D2WuJulMrYwrgxiRozmeGwFBax4J3UcSoSRGW5W6wCz5sJ6Gig2glk1n6 oG6XZQAmzGgt7MxIaUZDOuIsCPhEk6XfxVkuorRG4/NLgmGMTZ30+7oOkUNFocMOQCg1 6UBRCQIKt4iDmrinpPJ1SgNVnp1fxxX80X0Bk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.55.14 with SMTP id d14mr6506046yba.302.1266428049179; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:34:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:34:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items From: Cameron Byrne To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wro= te: > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> That means there are 2 of us now. =A0Does that make it relevant >> conversation? =A0Keep in mind, if it is hard coded in ipv6 in 2010 make > > I have changed my mind. > > Looking at the scalability figures for current LTE architecture, your who= le > network will melt down before you even get CLOSE to 4 billion bearers, an= d > even if you scale it past that, you just get a /30 instead of /32 and you > can now have 16 billion simultaneous bearers. > Can you help me understand the scalability limits you are referencing? My expectation is that we deploy EPC PGW for LTE devices to start, but eventually all 2G and 3G will be anchored on the regional PGW to support iRAT handover. Thus, the PGWs that we deploy in LTE will terminate all data sessions from 2G/3G/4G ... LTE/EPC of today is barely what UMTS release 99 was in terms of maturity... so there is plenty of room for evolving to meet scalability challenges. Granted, i am not explicitly anticipating growth like that in the near future, but lessons from the past tell us exponential growth is a reality, and we will have to evolve the technology to fit. The numbers i gave are a first swag at doing something that is both practical and "future proof". Honestly, that will likely be the address structure i use in my network, 4 billion bearers or not. I am also very interested in the idea of cell site local PGW functions, such that each cell site can do local handoff of IPv6 internet traffic instead of backhauling to my mobile network aggregation site. That is a separate discussion and perhaps a special case, but if each cell site has a PGW function and is handing out its own set of /64s, it exacerbates the problem further... yes, there are lots of IPv6 addresses to be had. And, no i don't think privacy addresses and SLAAC and the other goodies that come with /64 are very valuable. That's a value decision, to each thier own ... unless 3GPP says you have to do /64 and vendors hard-coded it, which they did. As one of the other folks pointed out, now is the time to deploy ... but i tend to think folks have been saying that for 10 years now. At least, i have heard it for 10 years now, and have told people it for 10 years now (this coin has 2 sides). I loath to have to repeat the lessons of classful IPv4 addressing, and as I have pointed out with references early in this thread, /64 is being reject for point to point links by many major ISP backbone and content network operators. But, the 3GPP used a MUST for /64 when I believe they should have used a SHOULD. Que sera, sera. Since it seems to need to be explicitly stated: Thanks for your opinion, i respect your comments, and please share the LTE bearer scaling concerns. Warmest Regards, Cameron > Let's stick with /64 for simplicity and for all the other reasons stated > before. Let's focus on getting DHCPv6-PD etc working over this /64 instea= d, > much rather put effort into that than trying to get smaller netblocks int= o > the standard. It also simplifies filtering etc, the standard model today > indicates that enduser /64 is a subnet with one or more devices within th= e > same administrative entity, let's stick to that. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson =A0 =A0email: swmike@swm.pp.se > From v6ops-archive@ietf.org Wed Feb 17 12:57:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2288B3A7F21 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:57:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -16.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-16.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HELO_EQ_TELESP=1.245, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, SARE_RECV_SPAM_DOMN02=1.666, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SBL=20, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DkKVyx4Eu5jm for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 201-43-183-148.dsl.telesp.net.br (201-43-183-148.dsl.telesp.net.br [201.43.183.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D533A7BED for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:57:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Pfizer (tm) VIAGRA (c)" To: v6ops-archive@ietf.org Subject: Personal v6ops-archive 77% Off MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20100217205730.F3D533A7BED@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:57:30 -0800 (PST) User v6ops-archive Newsletter
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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Feb 17 13:47:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D8E28C16B for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V4wF-inZg5A9 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F9E28C15E for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhrgM-000GSd-5j for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:43:42 +0000 Received: from [2a00:801::217:8ff:fe5b:81eb] (helo=uplift.swm.pp.se) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NhrgJ-000GS5-J8 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:43:39 +0000 Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7495A9C; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:43:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B279A; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:43:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:43:37 +0100 (CET) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: Cameron Byrne cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <4B7A29C5.4050407@bogus.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (DEB 962 2008-03-14) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > Can you help me understand the scalability limits you are referencing? The MME offerings I've seen today seem to be in the 10M simultaneous bearer range. That means you'd need 400 MMEs to reach 4 billion bearers to reach the /32 allocation exhaustion. I'd imagine the S/PGW are in the same scalability range, so I'd say that before you run into the /32 problem with IPv6, you'd hit a lot of other problems long before that. Basically, the current LTE framework with GTPv2 tunnels for everything will run into scalability problems long before the current /64 per bearer framework will. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Wed Feb 17 15:19:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168263A7A5A for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.601, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5k7y9iL9IxjK for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDCF3A78F4 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:19:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nht9k-0003SD-CK for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:18:08 +0000 Received: from [209.85.210.195] (helo=mail-yx0-f195.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nht9i-0003Ri-43 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:18:06 +0000 Received: by yxe33 with SMTP id 33so6265450yxe.5 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:18:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EBEWQ4rfkGx+fVieWY+bvoSCi/iV4g58TA/dlX0TE3o=; b=Au2LDa7L+v8oSSGxf5HXVuA69YtDkZOK+VuY37MePbuby/jwomISVx2W0tvEEAd4XJ g2/ZUxyEK29GHoqtXYSedCwD6sBev2q0Si93WaA/y0d0FatWjQD69dv+W8zSI18CbPzH ppkkjFn50PeDS1atgSQsI+ENN+u7YUxyOGrws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gRJRMDZp8e7lE5VxKEYWOcqsNXwJ0b2z15BYqSi2VPMKxBjBIJbF/TyttX0yx0gvdd Wuv/nZNW5a5lY9xtCfPMi1ZxRuyapY9ilhJl2ab9WqrMpqR6LASfv1skLsyRbryg+xg/ +VHd1Y9UVYO+IIkzsmmhir44Pwi+C2+fWX2zU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.117.26 with SMTP id p26mr15480459ybc.348.1266448685410; Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:18:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562CC00@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:18:05 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items From: Cameron Byrne To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, joelja@bogus.com, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, fred@cisco.com, 3gv6@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrot= e: > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010, Cameron Byrne wrote: > >> Can you help me understand the scalability limits you are referencing? > > The MME offerings I've seen today seem to be in the 10M simultaneous bear= er > range. That means you'd need 400 MMEs to reach 4 billion bearers to reach > the /32 allocation exhaustion. MME are generally deployed on ATCA blades, so they are within scope of Moore's Law on CPU. MME interaction seem to really scale with transactions for registration, paging, and handover ... So the call model is relevant, and M2M as a major growth area is low MME signaling. I am not sure MME will be a major road block to realistic scaling (4 billion not being realistic today). If I have nearly 100 aggregation locations today, and I have a pool of 2+ MME in each aggregation location to keep latency low and availability high, 200-300 MME does not seam unreasonable. Keep in mind i am talking 10+ years of planning, growth, ... So, not today.... I am just theorizing about the limits of the system. I don't disagree with you. > > I'd imagine the S/PGW are in the same scalability range, so I'd say that > before you run into the /32 problem with IPv6, you'd hit a lot of other > problems long before that. That's why i am thinking S/PGW will be distributed to the cell site location in the long term. There is little value or sense in taking LTE or LTE++ type traffic for a city the size of New York into one location like we do today with 3G. As a wireless only operator (not the incumbent wireline carrier), it behooves us to exit Internet bound traffic quickly. That means at the cell site or some intermediate aggregation location of < 10 cell sites. > > Basically, the current LTE framework with GTPv2 tunnels for everything wi= ll > run into scalability problems long before the current /64 per bearer > framework will. Agreed. We cannot tunnel all traffic forever. There will have to be mobility trade-offs made to scale the system. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Feb 19 05:13:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BD828C25A for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:13:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.831 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.831 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4uzdH9f-At9b for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750643A8157 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NiSc2-000Ghg-Tu for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:09:42 +0000 Received: from [212.27.42.6] (helo=smtp6-g21.free.fr) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NiSby-000Gh2-Rg for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:09:39 +0000 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A13E08087; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:09:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (per92-10-88-166-221-144.fbx.proxad.net [88.166.221.144]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EF5E0809B; Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:09:29 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items - native IPv6 across NAT44s Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Despr=E9s?= In-Reply-To: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:09:29 +0100 Cc: IPv6 Operations Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> To: Fred Baker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Fred, Draft-despres-softwire-sam-00, which I will post in a few days, contains = an updated description of SAM, the generic Stateless Address Mapping = mechanism which applies to a variety of scenarios. Among those, one permits ISPs to deliver native IPv6 connectivity across = legacy CPEs that only support NAT44 with port forwarding. This solution is like 6rd in that: - ISPs don't need to change their IPv4 infrastructures - They only need to operate gateways between these and their IPv6 = accesses - These gateways are stateless It is unlike 6rd in that: - Legacy CPEs don't need to be upgraded - To exploit of their IPv6 addresses, hosts have to be upgraded to = support SAM. Operation considerations of this scenario are relevant to v6ops. A time slot for a presentation will be appreciated. Regards, RD =20 =20 It will=20 Le 10 f=E9vr. 2010 =E0 16:58, Fred Baker a =E9crit : > The draft cut-off for -00 drafts is the first of March, and for all = drafts is 8 March. Let me ask now: who plans to have documents to = discuss in Anaheim, on what topics? >=20 > http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF >=20 >=20 From uk@megatron.ietf.org Sat Feb 20 04:19:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A573A8103 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:19:26 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C2 hex): From: Approved VIAGRA\302\256 Store ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from h102.ds7.univ.gda.pl (h102.ds7.univ.gda.pl [153.19.196.102]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E7ADF3A7F61 for ; Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: Approved VIAGRA® Store Subject: Confirmation ref # [753103] To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100220121918.E7ADF3A7F61@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:19:18 -0800 (PST)
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CAB35C.1FEFC1D0-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Feb 21 18:51:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C892828C17C for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:51:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -108.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-108.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cd-jcJoxVd6m for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167B03A8374 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NjOI5-000CBQ-TY for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:44:57 +0000 Received: from [171.71.176.117] (helo=sj-iport-6.cisco.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NjOHy-000CAu-PV for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:44:51 +0000 Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApUFAHp+gUurR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACBQplCc6NyimYJjEOCZoIFBIMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,514,1262563200"; d="scan'208,217";a="486358497" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Feb 2010 02:44:50 +0000 Received: from [172.100.10.131] (sjc-vpn6-407.cisco.com [10.21.121.151]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o1M2inTe028658 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:44:50 GMT Message-Id: <1DA51205-499A-42D6-AD6A-6BA449B61553@cisco.com> From: Fred Baker To: IPv6 Operations In-Reply-To: <0D9C35B00F5C43A883F4F0F1FB78ED2E@AMSD531C> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-736680960 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Subject: Re: 77th IETF DRAFT Agenda Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:44:49 -0800 References: <0D9C35B00F5C43A883F4F0F1FB78ED2E@AMSD531C> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: --Apple-Mail-4-736680960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI - the initial (preliminary) agenda is up. It has v6ops meeting =20 monday and Friday mornings. On Feb 19, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Wanda Lo wrote: > Dear WG and BoF Chairs, > > The draft agenda is ready for viewing. If there=92s any changes that =20= > need to be made please send it to agenda@ietf.org and cc=92d all area =20= > directors involved. Please note the cutoff date for requests to =20 > reschedule Working Group and BOF meetings is February 22, 2010 17:00 =20= > PST (01:00 Tuesday, February 23 UTC). The final agenda will be =20 > published on February 26, 2010. If you have any questions or =20 > concerns, feel free to contact me at anytime. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/77/agenda.html > > > Thanks, > Wanda > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D > Wanda Lo > Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 > Fremont, California 94538 / USA > +1-510-492-4082 > +1-510-492-4001 (fax) > www.ietf.org > > -- > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF --Apple-Mail-4-736680960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI - the initial (preliminary) = agenda is up. It has v6ops meeting monday and Friday = mornings.

On Feb 19, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Wanda Lo = wrote:

 
The draft agenda is ready for viewing.  If = there=92s any changes that need to be made please send it to agenda@ietf.org and cc=92d all area = directors involved.  Please note the cutoff date for requests to = reschedule Working Group and BOF meetings is February 22, 2010 17:00 PST = (01:00 Tuesday, February 23 UTC).  The final agenda will be = published on February 26, 2010.  If you have any questions or = concerns, feel free to contact me at = anytime.
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= --Apple-Mail-4-736680960-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sun Feb 21 19:44:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C3F28C129 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:44:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.375 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.375 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.480, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C3ayl-27pXli for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:44:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25C128C100 for ; Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NjPBv-000HA0-27 for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:42:39 +0000 Received: from [119.145.14.67] (helo=szxga04-in.huawei.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NjPBl-000H8z-71 for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:42:33 +0000 Received: from huawei.com (szxga04-in [172.24.2.12]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KY8006KZ4YOGQ@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:42:24 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0KY800L8B4YORE@szxga04-in.huawei.com> for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:42:24 +0800 (CST) Received: from j66104a ([10.111.12.51]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KY800E194YNSX@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:42:24 +0800 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:42:23 +0800 From: Sheng Jiang Subject: RE: Call for v6ops agenda items In-reply-to: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> To: 'Fred Baker' , 'IPv6 Operations' Cc: chenxu0128@huawei.com Message-id: <001b01cab371$0bbd6b80$330c6f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcqqbKl5n35nbNIVSBCgtT1BY3iJ6wJAu0iA Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, Fred, We are planning to present our Neighbour Cache Protection draft. We are planning to update it before March 8th. 15 mins in total should be enough. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jiang-v6ops-nc-protection Best regards, Sheng > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org > [mailto:owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:59 PM > To: IPv6 Operations > Subject: Call for v6ops agenda items > > The draft cut-off for -00 drafts is the first of March, and > for all drafts is 8 March. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CAB3AC.02052980-- From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 22 13:56:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CBB3A7AF8 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.196 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.196 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.701, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yPthr39mBtGh for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5093A7349 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NjgDa-000J54-QH for v6ops-data0@psg.com; 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Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:18:50 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/300.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <20100222200002.042C53A8142@core3.amsl.com> <33F9CDFB-D2AD-48D2-BC09-58211732043D@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:18:50 -0800 (PST) From: Behcet Sarikaya Reply-To: Behcet Sarikaya Subject: Re: Fwd: Internet Draft Cut-off Dates Reminder To: Fred Baker , IPv6 Operations In-Reply-To: <33F9CDFB-D2AD-48D2-BC09-58211732043D@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi Fred,=0A=A0 Can you please allocate a slot to present my draft =0Ahttp:/= /tools.ietf.org/id/draft-sarikaya-v6ops-prefix-delegation-00.txt=0A=0Aentit= led =0A=0ADHCPv6 Prefix Delegation as IPv6 Migration Tool in Cellular Netwo= rks=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0ABehcet=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Fr= ed Baker =0A> To: IPv6 Operations =0A> = Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:53:27 PM=0A> Subject: Fwd: Internet Draft Cu= t-off Dates Reminder=0A> =0A> =0A=0ABegin forwarded message:=0A=0A> From: I= ETF Secretariat <> ymailto=3D"mailto:ietf-secretariat@ietf.org" =0A> href= =3D"mailto:ietf-secretariat@ietf.org">ietf-secretariat@ietf.org>=0A> =0A> D= ate: February 22, 2010 2:00:01 PM CST=0A> To: > ymailto=3D"mailto:ietf-anno= unce@ietf.org" =0A> href=3D"mailto:ietf-announce@ietf.org">ietf-announce@ie= tf.org=0A> Subject: =0A> Internet Draft Cut-off Dates Reminder=0A>=0A>=0A> = This is a reminder =0A> that the Internet Draft Cut-off Dates are=A0 =0A> = =0A> approaching.=0A>=0A>=0A> The initial draft (version -00) cut-off =0A> = date is Monday, March 1, 2010.=0A> These submissions are due by 17:00 PST = =0A> (01:00 Tuesday, March 2 UTC).=0A>=0A> The Internet Draft final =0A> su= bmission (version -01 and up) cut-off is=0A> Monday, March 8, 2010 at =0A> = 17:00 PST (01:00 Tuesday, March 2 UTC).=0A>=0A> All drafts can be =0A> uplo= aded using the ID submission tool located here:=0A> > href=3D"https://datat= racker.ietf.org/idst/upload.cgi" target=3D_blank =0A> >https://datatracker.= ietf.org/idst/upload.cgi=0A> =0A> _________________________________________= ______=0A> IETF-Announce mailing =0A> list=0A> > href=3D"mailto:IETF-Announ= ce@ietf.org">IETF-Announce@ietf.org=0A> > href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/ietf-announce" target=3D_blank =0A> >https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/ietf-announce=0A=0Ahttp://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF=0A=0A=0A = From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 22 20:12:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41D428C516 for ; 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dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,523,1262563200"; d="scan'208";a="88108512" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Feb 2010 04:06:55 +0000 Received: from exchtewks1.starentnetworks.com (starent-networks-nat-64-102-236-4.cisco.com [64.102.236.4]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o1N46sP0024756; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:06:55 GMT Received: from exchtewks3.starentnetworks.com ([10.2.4.31]) by exchtewks1.starentnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:05:44 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Internet Draft Cut-off Dates Reminder Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:03:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4D35478224365146822AE9E3AD4A266609382C78@exchtewks3.starentnetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Internet Draft Cut-off Dates Reminder Thread-Index: Acq0Ch3PutKRn855SvO/vUZONU8jmQAMw7/M References: <20100222200002.042C53A8142@core3.amsl.com> <33F9CDFB-D2AD-48D2-BC09-58211732043D@cisco.com> From: "Koodli, Rajeev" To: "Fred Baker" , "IPv6 Operations" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2010 04:05:44.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[78877B30:01CAB43D] Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: =20 Hi Fred, =20 I would like to request a slot for presenting = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-koodli-ipv6-in-mobile-networks-00 =20 There has been (on-going) good discussion on 3gv6 ML on this ID. =20 Thanks, =20 -Rajeev =20 ________________________________ From: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org on behalf of Fred Baker Sent: Mon 2/22/2010 1:53 PM To: IPv6 Operations Subject: Fwd: Internet Draft Cut-off Dates Reminder=20 Begin forwarded message: > From: IETF Secretariat > Date: February 22, 2010 2:00:01 PM CST > To: ietf-announce@ietf.org > Subject: Internet Draft Cut-off Dates Reminder > > > This is a reminder that the Internet Draft Cut-off Dates are=20 > approaching. > > > The initial draft (version -00) cut-off date is Monday, March 1, 2010. > These submissions are due by 17:00 PST (01:00 Tuesday, March 2 UTC). > > The Internet Draft final submission (version -01 and up) cut-off is > Monday, March 8, 2010 at 17:00 PST (01:00 Tuesday, March 2 UTC). > > All drafts can be uploaded using the ID submission tool located here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/idst/upload.cgi > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF From v6ops-archive@ietf.org Mon Feb 22 21:04:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E0928C201 for ; 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Mon Feb 22 21:54:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9ADD3A73B2 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:54:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FRM_RN_L_BRACK=0.545, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kc59zmcg5WxX for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40253A6774 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NjnhU-000EFj-1X for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:52:52 +0000 Received: from [192.51.44.36] (helo=fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NjnhO-000EF8-MY for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:52:47 +0000 Received: from m2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp ([10.0.50.72]) by fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (Fujitsu Gateway) with ESMTP id o1N5qiUT010078 for (envelope-from matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com); Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:44 +0900 Received: from smail (m2 [127.0.0.1]) by outgoing.m2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234B845DE51 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from s2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (s2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp [10.0.50.92]) by m2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C0145DE4E for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from s2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by s2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA211DB803A for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from m005.s.css.fujitsu.com (m005.s.css.fujitsu.com [10.23.4.35]) by s2.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011411DB803B for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from m005.css.fujitsu.com (m005 [127.0.0.1]) by m005.s.css.fujitsu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA5650EBCE; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (sw05.s.css.fujitsu.com [10.240.81.45]) by m005.s.css.fujitsu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F3050EBCD; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:39 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:52:39 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPj5KP0Q+PHkbKEI=?= To: Fred Baker Cc: IPv6 Operations Subject: Re: Call for v6ops agenda items Message-Id: <1266904359201170.matsuhira@jp.fujitsu.com> In-Reply-To: <5EE420CC-DB4F-4AB1-A662-F4B8A324C001@gmail.com> References: <8435F624-9A17-45D3-A320-7C0C50AE341A@cisco.com> <5EE420CC-DB4F-4AB1-A662-F4B8A324C001@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: SYNCDOT/WebMailer Ver2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SecurityPolicyCheck-FJ: OK by SYNCDOT/WebMailer Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, I would like to present "Stateless automatic IPv4 over IPv6 Tunneling (SA46T)" Internet-Draft. SA46T makes backbone network to IPv6 only. And also, SA46T can stack many IPv4 networks, i.e. the networks using same IPv4 (private) addresses, without interdependence. Please see these documents for more datail. http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-spec-00.txt http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-matsuhira-sa46t-gaddr-00.txt These are initial documents (-00), 20 min may be enough. Naoki On Feb 10, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > The draft cut-off for -00 drafts is the first of March, and for all drafts is 8 March. Let me ask now: who plans to have documents to discuss in Anaheim, on what topics? > > http://www.ipinc.net/IPv4.GIF > > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 23 07:39:18 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10A9428C1F2 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:39:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.27 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.27 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.775, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FQnYu38EUO-l for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0307528C2D4 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Njwkx-0007O8-KN for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:33:03 +0000 Received: from [128.18.30.17] (helo=mail1.sri.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Njwkt-0007NZ-KD for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:32:59 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.2.9] ([unknown] [72.68.71.162]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KYA00MULWIXHAB0@mail.sri.com> for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:32:58 -0800 (PST) Message-id: <4B83F531.90002@sri.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:33:05 -0500 From: Ed Jankiewicz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) To: IPv6 Operations , ipsec@ietf.org, Behave WG , "nav6tf@ipv6forum.com" Subject: FYI: NIST Publication "Guidelines for the secure deployment of IPv6" Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: I had nothing to do with this doc, and have not fully reviewed it yet, but thought it would be of interest to folks on these lists. Please do not send your comments to me or post on these lists, but follow the instructions at the link to comment directly to the authors. I am sure NIST would appreciate any insight from additional folks who have not already contributed to discussion on the draft publication. http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsDrafts.html#SP-800-119 -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Tue Feb 23 13:10:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C103528C33D for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:10:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.608 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.608 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.113, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J8cAcbJTyEyP for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:10:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95E928C372 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk1yl-000LYx-Qu for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:07:39 +0000 Received: from [209.85.220.219] (helo=mail-fx0-f219.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Nk1yi-000LYW-Bg for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:07:36 +0000 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so4264220fxm.1 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:07:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+KCSB1DXq6ac9ijvx7+b/CwwLTEBBelS7spLvAJ1iQQ=; b=ZiUmxyhQBi0xkfM0WHZGMsjNF3mQYE+89xbq0naxskfznDomy0q6IJ80BGuUyz22t8 pwnyptmZr/dJtNZKYgZeCQL++FquPYIDxk8hNULoEmOg6eIConWsPnM62aDL6gQ4wQxa H+88q+rpwRCbt+WTbOxl6uk+7Qwu6/aPk3Vog= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Sx9hPwdwaD8T/wUt59s/91+rE4h9E8Kyvf7yU0ARG8LKdD0C1V7Z9xXi0RXZG6AYXA kEFYHhXNWnay1B70NKgubCocAun5OSPtRMdHrWx0ttXLydhTXiybrF2gkPrcyfWgIccG eH3j73vDFaKJnCwNMVihOBNGyYFnF6q9DNpM4= Received: by 10.223.127.201 with SMTP id h9mr2026863fas.56.1266959254961; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm2794131fxm.11.2010.02.23.13.07.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:07:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B844393.4030902@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:07:31 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IPv6 Operations Subject: [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-v6ops-isp-scenarios-01.txt] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: This version includes the first analysis of our questionnaire results. We've asked for an agenda slot in Anaheim. Brian and Sheng -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action:draft-carpenter-v6ops-isp-scenarios-01.txt Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Emerging Service Provider Scenarios for IPv6 Deployment Author(s) : B. Carpenter, S. Jiang Filename : draft-carpenter-v6ops-isp-scenarios-01.txt Pages : 19 Date : 2010-02-23 This document describes scenarios that are emerging among Internet Service Providers for the deployment of IPv6. They are based on practical experience so far, as well as current plans and requirements, but they are not intended as binding recommendations. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Thu Feb 25 05:00:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9263028C0EF for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:00:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.458 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.458 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.163, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_16=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VwSY77k3acVh for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7132828C11C for ; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NkdGE-0001t7-LP for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:56:10 +0000 Received: from [192.100.105.134] (helo=mgw-mx09.nokia.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NkdGB-0001sq-IH for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:56:08 +0000 Received: from vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh106.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.32]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o1PCtZEJ015582; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:56:05 -0600 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:55:41 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:55:42 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:55:41 +0100 From: To: CC: Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 13:55:39 +0100 Subject: RE: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Topic: Call for v6ops agenda items Thread-Index: AcqvyyDmc7Z8tZuER3eX32rF54wMugGK3Rdg Message-ID: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589C90C388@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589562C7C8@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <885074f5a3bc21decfca6e7fcf3e6069.squirrel@squirrel.six.silmor.de> In-Reply-To: <885074f5a3bc21decfca6e7fcf3e6069.squirrel@squirrel.six.silmor.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2010 12:55:42.0106 (UTC) FILETIME=[D66807A0:01CAB619] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, Thank you very much for comments. I'm preparing an update. Comments inline: > * there already is a well working protocol for PD: DHCPv6; although I > like the idea of finally getting rid of it Right. IMHO as is proven by 6RD, there's interest to have prefix delegation= also without DHCPv6 if easily doable. > * the unique-bits part is too large to work on more than one level, so > it > would be reserved to the ISP-to-User-line, but then again SLAAC is also > reserved to the link level of routing I don't agree, the draft intents to say unique-bits can be of about any len= gth. For example: - if length of unique bits is 1, there can be two routers below the gateway= , which both would get delegated prefix of: [SPD-prefix][0/1][subnet ID]. N= ow if the SPD prefix is say 40 bits, and V6UNIQUE is 1 bit, the router woul= d get /41, right? Then this router could further choose to delegate say /56= by configuring downlink routers by provisioning them with: [SPD-prefix+1][= V6UNIQUE of 14 bits of length][subnet ID]. Right? In fact, this unique bits could be minimum of 1 bit and maximum is many bit= s (I have to think about that), right? > * semantically it's not the right protocol for this: SLAAC is > transmitted > on the same link it configures, PD is transmitted on the upstream link > of > those (different links) that are configured With SLAAC you refer to the case where bits are taken from the /64 prefix c= onfigured with SLAAC? Right, but what is the significant difference to 6RD = that uses uplinks IPv4 address? > * as a router admin I would never accept PD statelessly - i.e. without > having asked for it; this might be just too much paranoia on my part > though I'm not sure I see the difference, in both cases network has to be trusted.= .. Also, you can trust to the context: e.g. having a dedicated 3GPP APN for= this purpose.=20 > * stateless also means that the router has to reserve enough space for > EVERY client, because it cannot know whether the client wants to use > it; > with a stateful protocol it only needs to reserve space and route the > prefix once the client asks for it Right, but this depends on the context as well. If you limit stateless dele= gation only to parts of the network where you know all nodes *are* routers,= then the waste is mitigated. Only if the routers' needs vary a lot (some r= equire /48 while most would settle for /60), but all are allocate /48, ther= e would be waste. In 3GPP e.g. this could be mitigated with an APN dedicate= d for router use - all UEs using this APN would be once (potentially) needi= ng prefixes.=20 This is the essential tradeoff in the stateless approach - there's no free = lunch.. But which one is more expensive, IPv6 address space, or fully dynam= ic system? > * for most OSes it has to be implemented in a user-space program > anyway, > since the kernel cannot know which interfaces to configure, but in > userspace it does not matter whether I implement DHCP rapid commit or > "stateless" PD with a request message - the complexity is the same True. On the requesting router side the savings are indeed less - the main = benefits would be on the network side. > I also have a problem with some of the uniqueness-source bits: >=20 > P: should be restricted to prefixes announced in the same SLAAC message Same as what? The service provider prefix would not be delivered in SLAAC. = Anyhow, there's issue if there are multiple /64s in RA (while in 3GPP there= currently are always one). Updating draft.. > I/2: should be unified into just I, since it is guaranteed to exist and > is > dependent on layer 2 IDs anyway Done, but added "T": tunnel identifier. What I'm thinking here is that e.g.= the GTP TEID of 3GPP access could be unique part. Each bearer has this loc= ally unique 32bit identifier. I think this requires further clarification. > 4: I have a really big problem with this: it mixes protocols and > requires > a lot of dual-stack logic to exist on the host - you can make it a MAY, > but then DHCPv6-PD has to exist as well as a backup What do you think about 6RD? > D: it shouldn't mention DHCP directly, but instead use the word > "stateful" > as other RFCs do, but then again - how to know which IP is meant? The > interface can have multiple IPs all configured through different > stateful > protocols and an independent process will not know through which > protocol > they came. BTW: why would one use stateless PD if there is stateful > address assignment anyway? Right.. This was here for sake of "completeness".. but I'll throw it away. > If multiple bits are set - is that legal? What should the host do? Updated to say it is not legal. > I also think the ping test should be a MUST, not a MAY. Updated. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Fri Feb 26 03:51:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C150028C159 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:51:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.016 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.016 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.521, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2X8BIlMYeRsy for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B8228C0D0 for ; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NkygQ-000IQa-0T for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:48:38 +0000 Received: from [192.100.105.134] (helo=mgw-mx09.nokia.com) by psg.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NkygM-000IQ8-OY for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:48:35 +0000 Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o1QBmVxX003845; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:48:32 -0600 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:48:30 +0200 Received: from vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.22]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:48:25 +0200 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) by vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:48:21 +0200 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-04.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.8]) with mapi; Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:48:20 +0100 From: To: <3gv6@ietf.org>, Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:48:18 +0100 Subject: Stateless Prefix Delegation I-D updated (draft-savolainen-stateless-pd) Thread-Topic: Stateless Prefix Delegation I-D updated (draft-savolainen-stateless-pd) Thread-Index: Acq22ZagwnEC+/n2QV20dfSkxdwKZA== Message-ID: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589C90CAFE@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2010 11:48:21.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[9828A740:01CAB6D9] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Hi, We have updated the Stateless IPv6 Prefix Delegation draft with the followi= ng significant changes (in addition to various minor changes): * Describing better that GTP TEID or GRE Key or similar could be used to co= nstruct the delegated prefix=20 * Describing address space waste mitigation ways: dedicated APN (in 3GPP), = and emphasizing need to optimize the size of the delegated prefixes * Aggregating prefixes so that the /64 of the WAN interface (e.g. used for = PDP context) is now part of the shorter-than-/64 prefix allocated to a node= . I.e. a node may be allocated, for example, a single /60, of which one /64= is taken for WAN link by the gateway, leaving the rest for the node to use= for downstream advertisement/delegation purposes * Added a note that while possible, it may not be feasible, to delegate pre= fixes from different subnets (possible if one configures multiple ISP prefi= xes, but that would increase address space consumption even more) ------ http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-01.txt Abstract: This document describes an automatic and stateless IPv6 prefix delegation s= olution for IPv6-only and dual-stack access networks. The solution builds on automatic delegation mechanism defined by 6RD, but i= s suitable for IPv6-only networks, including those that have not deployed s= tateful DHCPv6. The described stateless approach essentially exchanges the= complexity of the stateful prefix delegation to increased consumption of I= Pv6 address space and less flexible properties. ------ = =20 All comments are welcome. 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From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Feb 27 04:19:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C9F28C139 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:19:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.309, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EpXZBWuUp57M for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F7D3A86BC for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:19:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NlLXp-0006wh-FV for v6ops-data0@psg.com; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:13:17 +0000 Received: from [209.85.218.209] (helo=mail-bw0-f209.google.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1NlLXm-0006wP-Kc for v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:13:14 +0000 Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so235721bwz.1 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:13:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xmP0J9JbaJxWAq2w0pQgU3iSfweYfyxxG0Ygeao5NIY=; b=NpM9inarNyMWz6G4plPRBlQacxDKlPVlnB6fHQ2TaPz6CydE1seNEvCST/t5EYCYz0 RgS5Pm2h4u4XAbs0JOQS+Ox63BgXqL15IzQQIoB+1aBEQe4PfaaagJI1Rj5sMzR3qctd yCGjdCWnQifFIhh8cvHc/dx92Iwoz/xLmMk2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nygr9Wb4JR3Xv6Rgm2gwC4kizdGuPz5B154h28oYAygUTmntEYXmaJ9rF9awLp3jDU eRoRPV19Xj3lYb5BLH0JHTHE9nHHZkmn28DP+7etvPCvKW7PQGgCt+ogYlnfREIF0Lxf HqDa7e30Mv75lyXb2FGdhK9iP2gOhi3nkaHVc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.34.24 with SMTP id j24mr1204636bkd.147.1267272793143; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:13:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589C90CAFE@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <18034D4D7FE9AE48BF19AB1B0EF2729F589C90CAFE@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:13:13 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9a99a4c8664af6a7 Message-ID: <2bbba3c11002270413v7b24e31fi966d7ae87868e6f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stateless Prefix Delegation I-D updated (draft-savolainen-stateless-pd) From: Ole Troan To: teemu.savolainen@nokia.com Cc: 3gv6@ietf.org, v6ops@ops.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Teemu, note, that I'm probably biased since I was one of the co-authors of RFC3633= . ;-) am I interpreting the motivation of this draft correctly if I say that you aren't concerned about the 2 or 4 packet DHCPv6 exchange between the RR and the DR, but rather about the DHCP binding state and resulting DHCP backend infrastructure? if that is correct, couldn't you still run DHCP PD, but the prefixes handed out are on the DR generated based on the other identifiers described in your draft? then you don't need any further DHCP infrastructure, changes on the RR or any new protocol machinery between the RR and DR. a delegated prefix is expected to have a 'reasonable' lifetime. rapid renumbering or some would say renumbering at all is problematic. if you bind a prefix to given L2 identifiers, doesn't that mean that you will renumber every time your connection to the network changes? cheers, Ole On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:48 PM, wrote: > Hi, > > We have updated the Stateless IPv6 Prefix Delegation draft with the follo= wing significant changes (in addition to various minor changes): > > * Describing better that GTP TEID or GRE Key or similar could be used to = construct the delegated prefix > > * Describing address space waste mitigation ways: dedicated APN (in 3GPP)= , and emphasizing need to optimize the size of the delegated prefixes > > * Aggregating prefixes so that the /64 of the WAN interface (e.g. used fo= r PDP context) is now part of the shorter-than-/64 prefix allocated to a no= de. I.e. a node may be allocated, for example, a single /60, of which one /= 64 is taken for WAN link by the gateway, leaving the rest for the node to u= se for downstream advertisement/delegation purposes > > * Added a note that while possible, it may not be feasible, to delegate p= refixes from different subnets (possible if one configures multiple ISP pre= fixes, but that would increase address space consumption even more) > > ------ > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-savolainen-stateless-pd-01.txt > > Abstract: > This document describes an automatic and stateless IPv6 prefix delegation= solution for IPv6-only and dual-stack access networks. > The solution builds on automatic delegation mechanism defined by 6RD, but= is suitable for IPv6-only networks, including those that have not deployed= stateful DHCPv6. =A0The described stateless approach essentially exchanges= the complexity of the stateful prefix delegation to increased consumption = of IPv6 address space and less flexible properties. > ------ > > All comments are welcome. > > Best regards, > > Teemu > > From owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Sat Feb 27 14:32:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-v6ops-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E9A28C30F for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:32:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.550, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vfsOBSSTchRR for ; Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from psg.com (psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379773A85A1 for ; Sat, 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Message-Id: <9205F60F-5A7C-44BD-A2E0-B44D131C3568@employees.org> References: <1267309761.3168.5.camel@Nokia-N900-51-1> To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Teemu, > Yes, number of messages is not the issue. However, with DHCPv6 PD the = DHCPv6 server has to identify the RR, while in stateless the same ISP = prefix could be communicated to all requesters. Nevertheless, your = proposal is very interesting and we need to think about it. In a way = there could be very lightweight DR at the gateway, right?=20 indeed. only difference is that you compute the prefix on the DR instead = of at the RR. > Have you seen also = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-krishnan-intarea-pd-epc-00 ? With = DHCPv6 PD there's the issue of not being able to use one /64 on the WAN = from the delegated space. On the other hand, not having a global /64 = prefix on the WAN at all (unnumbred model) probably would be too big = change for the 3GPP. Any thoughts about this issue?=20 I think this violates the contract the RR has with the DR. you cannot = delegate / aka give something to someone and then take back a bit of it. = even though many managers delegate this way. ;-) you could perhaps resolve this by making a modified PD option which = carry a representation of the address block which allows for this. or you could just split the block in two. e.g the route on the DR is a = /55, you delegate the bottom /56 and you use the top one for the linknet = /64. > Binding to L2 would indeed mean that, unless somehow kept the same = during cellular network reconnection e.g. after unexpected network = disconnect (NEMO is then for true network mobility..). 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Feb 2010 16:13:17.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[F013A0A0:01CAB890] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Sender: owner-v6ops@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: Ole, > -----Original Message----- > From: Ole Troan [mailto:ichiroumakino@gmail.com] On Behalf Of ext Ole > Troan > Sent: 28. helmikuuta 2010 00:56 > To: Savolainen Teemu (Nokia-D/Tampere) > Cc: 3gv6@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org > Subject: Re: Stateless Prefix Delegation I-D updated (draft-savolainen- > stateless-pd) > > I think this violates the contract the RR has with the DR. you cannot > delegate / aka give something to someone and then take back a bit of > it. even though many managers delegate this way. ;-) >=20 > you could perhaps resolve this by making a modified PD option which > carry a representation of the address block which allows for this. But that is not backwards compatible.. =20 > or you could just split the block in two. e.g the route on the DR is a > /55, you delegate the bottom /56 and you use the top one for the > linknet /64. I thought of this as well, but it creates some waste... but maybe that coul= d be mitigated by setting up the environment so that legacy RFC3633 complia= nt RR's would get half of the block given to those RRs that support the new= option? I.e. (3GPP) network policy could allocate e.g. /56 for a subscription, and = if the subscriber is using legacy equipment he gets just /57, but if new eq= uipment supporting new option then he would get /56 minus one /64? 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