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	Title           : IPv6 Deployment in Internet Exchange Points (IXPs)
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	Date            : 2010-06-04

This document provides guidance on IPv6 deployment in Internet
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Hi,

This is purely a version update for administrative purposes.

The only text change is the addition of the word 'helps' in Section 4 to =
clarify a comment from the security review.

We believe the text is being progressed to Informational alongside =
Gunter's RA Guard text.

Tim

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IETF.
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> 	Title           : Rogue IPv6 Router Advertisement Problem =
Statement
> 	Author(s)       : T. Chown, S. Venaas
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-rogue-ra-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 16
> 	Date            : 2010-06-07
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> When deploying IPv6, whether IPv6-only or dual-stack, routers are
> configured to send IPv6 Router Advertisements to convey information
> to nodes that enable them to autoconfigure on the network.  This
> information includes the implied default router address taken from
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> as well as on-link prefix information.  However, unintended
> misconfigurations by users or administrators, or possibly malicious
> attacks on the network, may lead to bogus RAs being present, which in
> turn can cause operational problems for hosts on the network.  In
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> observed and present a list of possible solutions to the problem.  We
> focus on the unintended causes of rogue RAs in the text.  The goal of
> this text is to be Informational, and as such to present a framework
> around which solutions can be proposed and discussed.
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Ole - To refresh everyone's memory (or at least my own), what are the next
steps here?  Is this nearing WGLC do you think or are there additional
updates expected?  I searched the mail archive and wasn't sure...

Thanks
Jason 


On 6/4/10 4:24 PM, "Ole Troan" <ot@cisco.com> wrote:

> this revision is  just fixing a couple of outdated references and nits to get
> the document advanced.
> 
> cheers,
> Ole
> 
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 17:15 , Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> 
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations Working Group of the IETF.
>> 
>> 
>> Title           : Basic Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers
>> Author(s)       : H. Singh, et al.
>> Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-06.txt
>> Pages           : 16
>> Date            : 2010-06-04
>> 
>> This document specifies requirements for an IPv6 Customer Edge (CE)
>> router.  Specifically, the current version of this document focuses
>> on the basic provisioning of an IPv6 CE router and the provisioning
>> of IPv6 hosts attached to it.
>> 
>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-06.txt
>> 
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I am about to mail it in.

On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:52 AM, Jason Livingood wrote:

> Ole - To refresh everyone's memory (or at least my own), what are the =
next
> steps here?  Is this nearing WGLC do you think or are there additional
> updates expected?  I searched the mail archive and wasn't sure...
>=20
> Thanks
> Jason=20
>=20
>=20
> On 6/4/10 4:24 PM, "Ole Troan" <ot@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
>> this revision is  just fixing a couple of outdated references and =
nits to get
>> the document advanced.
>>=20
>> cheers,
>> Ole
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 17:15 , Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>=20
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>> directories.
>>> This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations Working Group of =
the IETF.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Title           : Basic Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers
>>> Author(s)       : H. Singh, et al.
>>> Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-06.txt
>>> Pages           : 16
>>> Date            : 2010-06-04
>>>=20
>>> This document specifies requirements for an IPv6 Customer Edge (CE)
>>> router.  Specifically, the current version of this document focuses
>>> on the basic provisioning of an IPv6 CE router and the provisioning
>>> of IPv6 hosts attached to it.
>>>=20
>>> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
>>> =
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-06.tx=
t
>>>=20
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In the latest version of draft-ietf-v6ops-rogue-ra-01, section
5.5 talks about recovering from an invalid configuration state
w.r.t. the M & O bits.  

Should the document also mentioned that the host may also have 
incorrect, non-functional, or potentially malicious DNS 
configuration due to the host believing bogus RFC 5006 
advertisements?  The host may also need to recover from this
as well.

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On 8 Jun 2010, at 22:24, Dale W. Carder wrote:

> In the latest version of draft-ietf-v6ops-rogue-ra-01, section
> 5.5 talks about recovering from an invalid configuration state
> w.r.t. the M & O bits. =20
>=20
> Should the document also mentioned that the host may also have=20
> incorrect, non-functional, or potentially malicious DNS=20
> configuration due to the host believing bogus RFC 5006=20
> advertisements?  The host may also need to recover from this
> as well.


So that's a good question.    When the rogue RA draft was first written, =
RFC5006 was I recall itself a draft in its infancy.     It's pretty =
clear that a rogue RA may also be an RA with 'bad' DNS resolver =
information in it.
=20
We could add text about this.   That would involve some mention of the =
problem in Section 1 (introduction), perhaps a brief discussion as an =
extra point in Section 5, and adding the mitigation mentioned in =
draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02 of disabling the host from processing =
DNS options in the RA (assuming the host implementation supports that of =
course, which isn't a MUST in the draft as far as I can see).   Other =
than that, I think the text in the draft about rogue RA 'badness' is =
generic enough to cover bad DNS information.   I'm happy to work with =
Stig on such text if it's deemed useful, and won't hold up publication =
too much more.

I note that draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02, which passed 6man WG =
last call, makes no reference to the rogue RA draft in its own security =
discussion, and also no mention of RA Guard.

Tim=


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Hi Tim,

> We could add text about this.   That would involve some mention of the =
problem in Section 1 (introduction), perhaps a brief discussion as an =
extra point in Section 5, and adding the mitigation mentioned in =
draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02 of disabling the host from processing =
DNS options in the RA (assuming the host implementation supports that of =
course, which isn't a MUST in the draft as far as I can see).   Other =
than that, I think the text in the draft about rogue RA 'badness' is =
generic enough to cover bad DNS information.   I'm happy to work with =
Stig on such text if it's deemed useful, and won't hold up publication =
too much more.
>=20
> I note that draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02, which passed 6man WG =
last call, makes no reference to the rogue RA draft in its own security =
discussion, and also no mention of RA Guard.
>=20

Why would the dns-option be different from any other ICMPv6 option in =
this draft context? I would keep the text generic on reference to ICMP =
options.

Roque

> Tim


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Sorry,

I should have said NDP options and not ICMPv6 options.

Roque.

On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Roque Gagliano wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>=20
>> We could add text about this.   That would involve some mention of =
the problem in Section 1 (introduction), perhaps a brief discussion as =
an extra point in Section 5, and adding the mitigation mentioned in =
draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02 of disabling the host from processing =
DNS options in the RA (assuming the host implementation supports that of =
course, which isn't a MUST in the draft as far as I can see).   Other =
than that, I think the text in the draft about rogue RA 'badness' is =
generic enough to cover bad DNS information.   I'm happy to work with =
Stig on such text if it's deemed useful, and won't hold up publication =
too much more.
>>=20
>> I note that draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02, which passed 6man WG =
last call, makes no reference to the rogue RA draft in its own security =
discussion, and also no mention of RA Guard.
>>=20
>=20
> Why would the dns-option be different from any other ICMPv6 option in =
this draft context? I would keep the text generic on reference to ICMP =
options.
>=20
> Roque
>=20
>> Tim
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From: Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: RFC 5006 and draft-ietf-v6ops-rogue-ra-01
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:33:52 +0100
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Hi Roque,

The draft is focused on rogue RAs as that has been an operational issue =
for us in our dual-stack enterprise for quite some time.   The potential =
for additional forms of 'badness' to come from RA-based DNS =
configuration are worth noting, but the mitigations in general are the =
same.     There may be some additional mitigation methods specific to =
the DNS option/configuration.

While we do run tools to detect various forms of NDP 'abuse' on our =
network, e.g. use of the THC toolkit, we don't (yet) see evidence of =
that.    The rogue RA problem is far more heavily observed and cited and =
thus having a consolidated informational problem statement that also =
describes some potential mitigations focused on that problem is, we =
believe, useful.   Malicious rogue RAs are quite rare - ones caused by =
Windows ICS, accidental misconfiguration or devices being moved where =
their role changes (e.g. 6to4 router at home, client at work) are far =
more common.   But then we're in a CS dept, so our users tend to be more =
'creative'.

We released ramond (http://ramond.sourceforge.net/) as an enhancement to =
rafixd as one tool for people to use.   RA Guard also has good =
potential.

Tim

On 10 Jun 2010, at 10:26, Roque Gagliano wrote:

> Sorry,
>=20
> I should have said NDP options and not ICMPv6 options.
>=20
> Roque.
>=20
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Roque Gagliano wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Tim,
>>=20
>>> We could add text about this.   That would involve some mention of =
the problem in Section 1 (introduction), perhaps a brief discussion as =
an extra point in Section 5, and adding the mitigation mentioned in =
draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02 of disabling the host from processing =
DNS options in the RA (assuming the host implementation supports that of =
course, which isn't a MUST in the draft as far as I can see).   Other =
than that, I think the text in the draft about rogue RA 'badness' is =
generic enough to cover bad DNS information.   I'm happy to work with =
Stig on such text if it's deemed useful, and won't hold up publication =
too much more.
>>>=20
>>> I note that draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02, which passed 6man WG =
last call, makes no reference to the rogue RA draft in its own security =
discussion, and also no mention of RA Guard.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Why would the dns-option be different from any other ICMPv6 option in =
this draft context? I would keep the text generic on reference to ICMP =
options.
>>=20
>> Roque
>>=20
>>> Tim
>>=20
>=20



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Hi Tim,

My comment still stands. You can also have "badness" (just using your =
words) in other ICMPv6 ND options:  Source link-layer address or MTU or =
Nonce or Timestamp options.... The rogue RA document up to now only =
focused on the Prefix Information option.

Probably the core is that the definition in the P2 of section 1 of what =
a "bogus" or "bad" RA in the context of the document should be improved.

Regards,
Roque.


On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Tim Chown wrote:

> Hi Roque,
>=20
> The draft is focused on rogue RAs as that has been an operational =
issue for us in our dual-stack enterprise for quite some time.   The =
potential for additional forms of 'badness' to come from RA-based DNS =
configuration are worth noting, but the mitigations in general are the =
same.     There may be some additional mitigation methods specific to =
the DNS option/configuration.
>=20
> While we do run tools to detect various forms of NDP 'abuse' on our =
network, e.g. use of the THC toolkit, we don't (yet) see evidence of =
that.    The rogue RA problem is far more heavily observed and cited and =
thus having a consolidated informational problem statement that also =
describes some potential mitigations focused on that problem is, we =
believe, useful.   Malicious rogue RAs are quite rare - ones caused by =
Windows ICS, accidental misconfiguration or devices being moved where =
their role changes (e.g. 6to4 router at home, client at work) are far =
more common.   But then we're in a CS dept, so our users tend to be more =
'creative'.
>=20
> We released ramond (http://ramond.sourceforge.net/) as an enhancement =
to rafixd as one tool for people to use.   RA Guard also has good =
potential.
>=20
> Tim
>=20
> On 10 Jun 2010, at 10:26, Roque Gagliano wrote:
>=20
>> Sorry,
>>=20
>> I should have said NDP options and not ICMPv6 options.
>>=20
>> Roque.
>>=20
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Roque Gagliano wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>=20
>>>> We could add text about this.   That would involve some mention of =
the problem in Section 1 (introduction), perhaps a brief discussion as =
an extra point in Section 5, and adding the mitigation mentioned in =
draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02 of disabling the host from processing =
DNS options in the RA (assuming the host implementation supports that of =
course, which isn't a MUST in the draft as far as I can see).   Other =
than that, I think the text in the draft about rogue RA 'badness' is =
generic enough to cover bad DNS information.   I'm happy to work with =
Stig on such text if it's deemed useful, and won't hold up publication =
too much more.
>>>>=20
>>>> I note that draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02, which passed 6man =
WG last call, makes no reference to the rogue RA draft in its own =
security discussion, and also no mention of RA Guard.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Why would the dns-option be different from any other ICMPv6 option =
in this draft context? I would keep the text generic on reference to =
ICMP options.
>>>=20
>>> Roque
>>>=20
>>>> Tim
>>>=20
>>=20
>=20
>=20


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Ah OK, I misunderstood your comment.  Noted now. =20

If we revise the document to reflect the RFC5006-based comment we can =
incorporate your comment.   I don't think that would affect the primary =
thrust of the document, or its validity.

Tim=20

On 10 Jun 2010, at 14:23, Roque Gagliano wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>=20
> My comment still stands. You can also have "badness" (just using your =
words) in other ICMPv6 ND options:  Source link-layer address or MTU or =
Nonce or Timestamp options.... The rogue RA document up to now only =
focused on the Prefix Information option.
>=20
> Probably the core is that the definition in the P2 of section 1 of =
what a "bogus" or "bad" RA in the context of the document should be =
improved.
>=20
> Regards,
> Roque.
>=20
>=20
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Roque,
>>=20
>> The draft is focused on rogue RAs as that has been an operational =
issue for us in our dual-stack enterprise for quite some time.   The =
potential for additional forms of 'badness' to come from RA-based DNS =
configuration are worth noting, but the mitigations in general are the =
same.     There may be some additional mitigation methods specific to =
the DNS option/configuration.
>>=20
>> While we do run tools to detect various forms of NDP 'abuse' on our =
network, e.g. use of the THC toolkit, we don't (yet) see evidence of =
that.    The rogue RA problem is far more heavily observed and cited and =
thus having a consolidated informational problem statement that also =
describes some potential mitigations focused on that problem is, we =
believe, useful.   Malicious rogue RAs are quite rare - ones caused by =
Windows ICS, accidental misconfiguration or devices being moved where =
their role changes (e.g. 6to4 router at home, client at work) are far =
more common.   But then we're in a CS dept, so our users tend to be more =
'creative'.
>>=20
>> We released ramond (http://ramond.sourceforge.net/) as an enhancement =
to rafixd as one tool for people to use.   RA Guard also has good =
potential.
>>=20
>> Tim
>>=20
>> On 10 Jun 2010, at 10:26, Roque Gagliano wrote:
>>=20
>>> Sorry,
>>>=20
>>> I should have said NDP options and not ICMPv6 options.
>>>=20
>>> Roque.
>>>=20
>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Roque Gagliano wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>=20
>>>>> We could add text about this.   That would involve some mention of =
the problem in Section 1 (introduction), perhaps a brief discussion as =
an extra point in Section 5, and adding the mitigation mentioned in =
draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02 of disabling the host from processing =
DNS options in the RA (assuming the host implementation supports that of =
course, which isn't a MUST in the draft as far as I can see).   Other =
than that, I think the text in the draft about rogue RA 'badness' is =
generic enough to cover bad DNS information.   I'm happy to work with =
Stig on such text if it's deemed useful, and won't hold up publication =
too much more.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I note that draft-ietf-6man-dns-options-bis-02, which passed 6man =
WG last call, makes no reference to the rogue RA draft in its own =
security discussion, and also no mention of RA Guard.
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Why would the dns-option be different from any other ICMPv6 option =
in this draft context? I would keep the text generic on reference to =
ICMP options.
>>>>=20
>>>> Roque
>>>>=20
>>>>> Tim
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20



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On 06/10/10 05:33, Tim Chown wrote:
> The draft is focused on rogue RAs as that has been an operational
> issue for us in our dual-stack enterprise for quite some time.   The
> potential for additional forms of 'badness' to come from RA-based DNS
> configuration are worth noting, but the mitigations in general are
> the same.     There may be some additional mitigation methods
> specific to the DNS option/configuration.

Speaking as a DNS person, I can do a LOT more harm on your network if I 
can successfully direct your clients onto my malicious name server than 
rerouting their prefix information, and the name server hack will be 
much harder to detect.


Doug

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On 10 Jun 2010, at 22:20, Doug Barton wrote:
>=20
> Speaking as a DNS person, I can do a LOT more harm on your network if =
I can successfully direct your clients onto my malicious name server =
than rerouting their prefix information, and the name server hack will =
be much harder to detect.

Doug, would be good to make these comments on the ietf@ietf.org list =
where final comments on the RFC5006-bis text are being sought, at the =
very least wrt the Security Considerations.

Tim=


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	Title           : IPv6 RA-Guard
	Author(s)       : E. Levy-Abegnoli, et al.
	Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-ra-guard-06.txt
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	Date            : 2010-06-15

It is particularly easy to experience "rogue" routers on an unsecured
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Hi Qiang,=0A=0A=0A>=0A>From: Qiang Zhao <Qiang.Zhao@jdsu.com>=0A>To: "draft=
-sarikaya-v6ops-prefix-delegation@tools.ietf.org" <draft-sarikaya-v6ops-pre=
fix-delegation@tools.ietf.org>=0A>Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 3:51:10 AM=0A>Su=
bject: draft-sarikaya-v6ops-prefix-delegation=0A>=0A>=0A>Hi, =0A>One questi=
on of section 3.1:=0A>=E2=80=9C There are two function modules in the AR, D=
HCP Client and DHCP Relay.=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 DHCP messages should be relayed =
if the AR and a DHCP server are not=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 connected directly, =E2=
=80=9D=0A>I agree that the messages should be relayed when AR and DHCP serv=
er are not connected directly(I guess it means not in the same link), but i=
s it necessary that AR generates the relay-forward message?=0A>The AR is al=
ways the creator of DHCP client messages, so I think it is a DHCP client, n=
ot a relay agent. There is no help for routing by sending a relay-forward i=
nstead of a common client message such as a REQUEST. Is there any other ben=
efits for doing that?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A[behcet]=0A=0AYes DHCP REQUEST =
can be used but when DHCP server is in the same link. Otherwise you need a =
Relay and these relay messages.=0A=0AIs this clear? If not let me know.=0A=
=0ARegards,=0A=0ABehcet=0A=0A=0A      


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Perhaps not for the IETF but as FYI, as of last night 

; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> i.root-servers.net aaaa 
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Cool!

Bob


On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:58 AM, Lindqvist Kurt Erik wrote:

> 	
> 
> Perhaps not for the IETF but as FYI, as of last night 
> 
> ; <<>> DiG 9.6.0-APPLE-P2 <<>> i.root-servers.net aaaa 
> ;; global options: +cmd 
> ;; Got answer: 
> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 47604 
> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 13, ADDITIONAL: 14 
> 
> ;; QUESTION SECTION: 
> ;i.root-servers.net.	 IN	AAAA 
> 
> ;; ANSWER SECTION: 
> i.root-servers.net.	604635	IN	AAAA	2001:7fe::53 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> - kurtis -
> 
> 
> 
> 



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
directories.
This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: An Incremental Carrier-Grade NAT (CGN) for IPv6 Transition
	Author(s)	: S. Jiang, D. Guo, B. Carpenter
	Filename	: draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn-01.txt
	Pages		: 14
	Date		: 2010-6-18
	
Global IPv6 deployment was slower than originally expected in the last ten years. As IPv4 address exhaustion gets closer, the IPv4/IPv6 
transition issues become more critical and complicated. Host-based 
transition mechanisms are not able to meet the requirements while 
most end users are not sufficiently expert to configure or maintain 
these transition mechanisms. Carrier-Grade NAT (CGN) with integrated 
transition mechanisms can simplify the operation of end users during 
the IPv4/IPv6 migration or coexistence period. This document proposes 
an incremental CGN approach for IPv6 transition. It can provide IPv6 
access services for IPv6-enabled end hosts and IPv4 access services 
for IPv4 end hosts while remaining most of legacy IPv4 ISP networks 
unchanged. It is suitable for the initial stage of IPv4/IPv6 
migration. Unlike NAT444 CGN alone, it also supports and encourages 
transition towards dual-stack or IPv6-only ISP networks. A smooth 
transition mechanism is also described in this document. It 
introduces an integrated configurable CGN device and an adaptive Home 
Gateway (HG) device. Both HG and CGN are re-usable devices during 
different transition periods. It avoid potential multiple upgrade. 
ISPs have NOT to make a big transition decision. It enables IPv6 
migration to be incrementally achieved according to the real user 
requirements. So ISPs have NOT to make a big transition decision.

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Hi Folks.

I have a bit of a discussion with one of our vendors regarding the =
DHCPv6 implementation we use on our DSL platform. Hopefully one of you =
can shed some light on this to understand what the intentions are.

'IPv6 CE router requirements' requirement W-5 states:

"DHCPv6 address assignment (IA_NA) and DHCPv6 prefix delegation (IA_PD) =
SHOULD be done as a single DHCPv6 session."

And something further down gives some hints on how the responses should =
be handled, including WPD-7:

"If the IPv6 CE router requests both an IA_NA and an IA_PD in DHCPv6, it =
MUST accept an IA_PD in DHCPv6 Advertise/Reply messages, even if the =
message does not contain any addresses (IA_NA options with status code =
equal to NoAddrsAvail)."

They (the vendor) have implemented this and are requesting IA_NA and =
IA_PD, our platform (JUNOSe built-in) server responds with a message =
only containing an IA_PD. This is on purpose as we don't intend to =
assign addresses to the PPP link itself (other then link-local).

The discussion now is on the way we currently handle the IA_NA, by =
simply ignoring it. Which is based on rfc 3315, sec 17.2.2:

   If the server will not assign any addresses to any IAs in a
   subsequent Request from the client, the server MUST send an Advertise
   message to the client that includes only a Status Code option with
   code NoAddrsAvail and a status message for the user, a Server
   Identifier option with the server's DUID, and a Client Identifier
   option with the client's DUID.

I think we are correct in our response, we at least respond with one IA =
(IA_PD) and thus follow the paragraph before this:

   If the Solicit message from the client included one or more IA
   options, the server MUST include IA options in the Advertise message
   containing any addresses that would be assigned to IAs contained in
   the Solicit message from the client.

WPD-7 seems to exist specifically to handle this situation ?

Any opnions on who is right here ? Do I need to file a bug with Juniper =
or is our CPE vendor wrong ? (They already implemented a fix and are now =
accepting this, so it's just to assure they are still RFC compliant).=20

TIA,

MarcoH



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Marco,
> I have a bit of a discussion with one of our vendors regarding the =
DHCPv6 implementation we use on our DSL platform. Hopefully one of you =
can shed some light on this to understand what the intentions are.
>=20
> 'IPv6 CE router requirements' requirement W-5 states:
>=20
> "DHCPv6 address assignment (IA_NA) and DHCPv6 prefix delegation =
(IA_PD) SHOULD be done as a single DHCPv6 session."
>=20
> And something further down gives some hints on how the responses =
should be handled, including WPD-7:
>=20
> "If the IPv6 CE router requests both an IA_NA and an IA_PD in DHCPv6, =
it MUST accept an IA_PD in DHCPv6 Advertise/Reply messages, even if the =
message does not contain any addresses (IA_NA options with status code =
equal to NoAddrsAvail)."
>=20
> They (the vendor) have implemented this and are requesting IA_NA and =
IA_PD, our platform (JUNOSe built-in) server responds with a message =
only containing an IA_PD. This is on purpose as we don't intend to =
assign addresses to the PPP link itself (other then link-local).
>=20
> The discussion now is on the way we currently handle the IA_NA, by =
simply ignoring it. Which is based on rfc 3315, sec 17.2.2:
>=20
>   If the server will not assign any addresses to any IAs in a
>   subsequent Request from the client, the server MUST send an =
Advertise
>   message to the client that includes only a Status Code option with
>   code NoAddrsAvail and a status message for the user, a Server
>   Identifier option with the server's DUID, and a Client Identifier
>   option with the client's DUID.
>=20
> I think we are correct in our response, we at least respond with one =
IA (IA_PD) and thus follow the paragraph before this:
>=20
>   If the Solicit message from the client included one or more IA
>   options, the server MUST include IA options in the Advertise message
>   containing any addresses that would be assigned to IAs contained in
>   the Solicit message from the client.
>=20
> WPD-7 seems to exist specifically to handle this situation ?

correct.

> Any opnions on who is right here ? Do I need to file a bug with =
Juniper or is our CPE vendor wrong ? (They already implemented a fix and =
are now accepting this, so it's just to assure they are still RFC =
compliant).=20

and you include the NoAddrsAvail status code?

I didn't quite get from your message what the two positions are?

cheers,
Ole=


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Hi Ole,

>> WPD-7 seems to exist specifically to handle this situation ?
>=20
> correct.
>=20
>> Any opnions on who is right here ? Do I need to file a bug with =
Juniper or is our CPE vendor wrong ? (They already implemented a fix and =
are now accepting this, so it's just to assure they are still RFC =
compliant).=20
>=20
> and you include the NoAddrsAvail status code?

Nope, but they now accept the fact the IA_NA remains unanswered and they =
stick with the IA_PD only (and 'unnumbered')

> I didn't quite get from your message what the two positions are?
>=20

Our position is we are compliant to both 3315 and the draft. Their =
position is we aren't, so by implementing the fix they broke the RFC =
which could lead to problems with other customers who use their modem.

Groet,

MarcoH



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>>> WPD-7 seems to exist specifically to handle this situation ?
>>=20
>> correct.
>>=20
>>> Any opnions on who is right here ? Do I need to file a bug with =
Juniper or is our CPE vendor wrong ? (They already implemented a fix and =
are now accepting this, so it's just to assure they are still RFC =
compliant).=20
>>=20
>> and you include the NoAddrsAvail status code?
>=20
> Nope, but they now accept the fact the IA_NA remains unanswered and =
they stick with the IA_PD only (and 'unnumbered')
>=20
>> I didn't quite get from your message what the two positions are?
>>=20
>=20
> Our position is we are compliant to both 3315 and the draft. Their =
position is we aren't, so by implementing the fix they broke the RFC =
which could lead to problems with other customers who use their modem.

3315 seems quite clear that you should include the IA with a =
NoAddrsAvail code. I'm not quite sure what the client behaviour is if it =
doesn't get the NoAddrsAvail option. in either case with 3633 support it =
has to be able to handle getting prefixes without addresses.

cheers,
Ole



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>>> I didn't quite get from your message what the two positions are?
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Our position is we are compliant to both 3315 and the draft. Their =
position is we aren't, so by implementing the fix they broke the RFC =
which could lead to problems with other customers who use their modem.
>=20
> 3315 seems quite clear that you should include the IA with a =
NoAddrsAvail code. I'm not quite sure what the client behaviour is if it =
doesn't get the NoAddrsAvail option. in either case with 3633 support it =
has to be able to handle getting prefixes without addresses.


Well that's the dispute, 3315 says:

"...the server will not assign any addresses to any IAs in a subsequent =
Request...."

Our server wil assign an IA_PD in a subsequent request, so it will =
assign "a IA to any IAs"

Groet,

MarcoH



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Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
> Date: June 22, 2010 9:30:14 AM GMT+02:00
> To: <ops-chairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: FW: Nomcom 2010-2011: Second Call for Volunteers 
> 
> 
> OPS Area Chairs,
> 
> Please forward this message to your WG mail lists. Participation in the
> Nomcom process is an opportunity for any IETF participant to support the
> IETF and influence its future by selecting the next generation of IETF
> leaders and by receiving and processing the inputs of the community
> about the IETF work and processes. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org
> [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of NomCom Chair
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:49 AM
> To: IETF Announcement list
> Subject: Nomcom 2010-2011: Second Call for Volunteers 
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> This is the Second call for Volunteers for the 2010-11 nomcom.  We are
> just about halfway through the volunteer period so if you are
> considering volunteering please do so very soon. 
> 
> I am pleased to report that we have 29 volunteers thus far whose
> qualifications have been confirmed by the secretariat. I have notified
> each of these volunteers by email.  
> 
> If you volunteered before 08:00 PDT (15:00 UTC) on June 21 to serve as a
> voting member and have not received a confirmation email from me, please
> re-submit and bring to my attention right away!
> 
> However, we need many more volunteers.  You have until 17:00 PDT (24:00
> UTC) on July 8, 2010 to volunteer for nomcom but it is much better if
> you volunteer as early as possible.  The more volunteers, the better
> chance we have of choosing a random yet representative cross section of
> the IETF
> pouplation.   
> 
> As a reminder, volunteers must have attended 3 of the past 5 IETF
> meetings - per RFC 3777, which means 3 of the following meetings:
> IETF-73, IETF-74, IETF-75, IETF-76 and IETF-77.  If you qualify, and are
> willing to forgo appointment to any of the positions for which the
> nominating committee is responsible, please volunteer.  
> 
> The 10 nominating committee members are selected randomly from a pool of
> volunteers.  The details of the operation of nomcom may be found in RFC
> 3777.  The process on how to volunteer for nomcom is in the initial
> announcement:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2330/
> 
> The lists of open positions and people whose terms end in March 2011 and
> thus the positions for which the nominating committee is responsible are
> summarized in the initial announcement:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2330/
> 
> The 29 volunteers who have thus far been qualified by the secretariat
> are: 
> 
> Fred Baker, Cisco Systems
> 
> Stephan Wenger, Vidyo, Inc.
> 
> Marc Blanchet, Viagenie
> 
> Lixia Zhang, UCLA 
> 
> John Drake, Juniper Networks
> 
> Ole Troan, Cisco
> 
> Jiankang Yao, CNNIC
> 
> Wassim Haddad, Ericsson
> 
> Yi Zhao, Huawei USA
> 
> Teemu Savolainen, Nokia
> 
> Jouni Korhonen, Nokia Siemens Networks
> 
> Mehmet Ersue, Nokia Siemens Networks
> 
> Christian Schmidt, Nokia Siemens Networks 
> 
> Stephen Hanna, Juniper Networks
> 
> Suresh Krishnan, Ericsson
> 
> Eric Gray, Ericsson
> 
> David Sinicrope, Ericsson
> 
> Jan Melen, Ericsson
> 
> Richard Barnes, BBN Technologies
> 
> Hugo Salgado Hernandez, NIC Chile
> 
> Ning Zong, Huawei Technologies
> 
> Qin Wu, Huawei Technologies
> 
> Karen Seo, BBN Technologies
> 
> Haibin Song, Huawei Technologies
> 
> Susan Hares, Huawei Technologies
> 
> Tony Hansen. AT&T Labs
> 
> Fuqing Huang, Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
> 
> Huub van Helvoort, Huawei Technologies
> 
> Miya Kohno, Juniper Networks
> 
> The primary activity for this nomcom will begin just prior to IETF-78 in
> Maastricht and should be completed in early January 2011.  The nomcom
> will be collecting requirements from the community, as well as talking
> to candidates and to community members about candidates. There will be
> weekly conference calls to ensure progress. Thus, being a nomcom member
> does require some time commitment.  
> 
> While, there is no requirement in RFC 3777 that a participant attend
> IETF meetings while serving on nomcom, please consider that during the
> IETF meetings, people that do not attend would be expected to remotely
> participate during the day in the time zones of the meeting locations -
> Maastricht at the end of July and Beijing in November. 
> 
> If you are not yet sure you would like to volunteer, please consider
> that nomcom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership
> of the IETF.  Ensuring the leadership of the IETF is fair and balanced
> and comprised of those who can lead the IETF in the right direction is
> an important responsibility that rests on the IETF participants at
> large.
> Volunteering for the nomcom is a good way of contributing in that
> direction.
> 
> Please volunteer by sending an email before:
> 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC) July 8, 2010 as follows:
> 
> To: nomcom-chair@ietf.org
> Subject: Nomcom 2010-11 Volunteer
> 
> Please include the following information in the body:
> 
> <Your Full Name>  // As you enter in the IETF Registration Form,
>                  // First/Given name followed by Last/Family Name 
> 
> <Current Primary Affiliation>
>                  // typically what goes in the Company field
>                  // in the IETF Registration Form 
> 
> [<all email addresses used to Register for the past 5 IETF meetings>]
> <Preferred email address>  //
> 
> <Telephone number>         // For confirmation if selected
> 
> Please expect an email response from me within 3 days stating whether or
> not you are qualified.  If you don't receive a response, please re-send
> your email with the tag "Duplicate:" added to the subject line.
> 
> Thank you and I hope to hear from you,
> 
> Thomas Walsh
> Chair, Nomcom 2010-11
> Email: nomcom-chair@ietf.org
> 
> 
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Hi,

drfat.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-11 says in its introduction (quite =
rightly in my understanding):

  "Some IPv6 gateway devices that enable delivery of Internet services
   in residential and small office settings may be augmented with
   'simple security' capabilities as described in "Local Network
   Protection for IPv6" [RFC4864]. In general, these capabilities cause
   packets to be discarded in an attempt to make local networks and the
   Internet more secure.  However, it is worth noting that some packets
   sent by legitimate applications may also be discarded in this
   process, affecting reliability and ease of use for these
   applications.

   There is a constructive tension between the desires of users for
   transparent end-to-end connectivity on the one hand, and the need for
   local-area network administrators to detect and prevent intrusion by
   unauthorized public Internet users on the other.  This document is
   intended to highlight reasonable limitations on end-to-end
   transparency where security considerations are deemed important to
   promote local and Internet security."

Now, draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-06 says in S-1 of its =
security-consideration section:
- "The IPv6 CE router SHOULD support =
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security]."


The latter should IMHO be made more consistent with the former.
it should, for this, be more open to IPv6-CPEs that don't sacrifice =
end-to-end connectivity.
(The counterpart of this sacrifice, detrimental to a number of =
applications, is an additional security that not everybody needs).

For instance, S-1 could  say:
- "If more security than available with end-to-end connectivity is found =
desirable, the IPv6-CE SHOULD support =
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security]."=20

Regards,
RD=



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Remi,

> drfat.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-11 says in its introduction =
(quite rightly in my understanding):
>=20
>  "Some IPv6 gateway devices that enable delivery of Internet services
>   in residential and small office settings may be augmented with
>   'simple security' capabilities as described in "Local Network
>   Protection for IPv6" [RFC4864]. In general, these capabilities cause
>   packets to be discarded in an attempt to make local networks and the
>   Internet more secure.  However, it is worth noting that some packets
>   sent by legitimate applications may also be discarded in this
>   process, affecting reliability and ease of use for these
>   applications.
>=20
>   There is a constructive tension between the desires of users for
>   transparent end-to-end connectivity on the one hand, and the need =
for
>   local-area network administrators to detect and prevent intrusion by
>   unauthorized public Internet users on the other.  This document is
>   intended to highlight reasonable limitations on end-to-end
>   transparency where security considerations are deemed important to
>   promote local and Internet security."
>=20
> Now, draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-06 says in S-1 of its =
security-consideration section:
> - "The IPv6 CE router SHOULD support =
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security]."
>=20
>=20
> The latter should IMHO be made more consistent with the former.
> it should, for this, be more open to IPv6-CPEs that don't sacrifice =
end-to-end connectivity.
> (The counterpart of this sacrifice, detrimental to a number of =
applications, is an additional security that not everybody needs).
>=20
> For instance, S-1 could  say:
> - "If more security than available with end-to-end connectivity is =
found desirable, the IPv6-CE SHOULD support =
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security]."=20

note that S-1 says the CE should have the capability to do simple =
security. it does not say if this functionality should be turned on or =
off or what the default should be.

cheers,
Ole



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Hi, James,

The current REC 43 says:

-"Gateways MUST provide an easily selected configuration option
  that permits a "transparent mode" of operation that forwards
  all unsolicited flows regardless of forwarding direction,
  i.e. to disable the IPv6 simple security capabilities of the
  gateway."

This seems to imply that, if a CPE supports the default simple security, =
it should have it enabled by default.=20
In my understanding of what was agreed, each manufacturer would decide =
whether the default configuration would be "transparent mode" or not.

To reflect this, REC 43 could, for example, be:
-"Gateways that support simple security MUST  provide an easily selected =
configuration option that, if the default configuration has simple =
security enabled, permits a "transparent mode" of operation that =
forwards all unsolicited flows regardless of forwarding direction, or =
that, if the default configuration has "transparent mode" enabled, =
enables the filtering of unsolicited incoming flows."=20

Regards,
RD
=20





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Le 22 juin 2010 =E0 15:27, Ole Troan a =E9crit :

> Remi,
>=20
>> drfat.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-11 says in its introduction =
(quite rightly in my understanding):
>>=20
>> "Some IPv6 gateway devices that enable delivery of Internet services
>>  in residential and small office settings may be augmented with
>>  'simple security' capabilities as described in "Local Network
>>  Protection for IPv6" [RFC4864]. In general, these capabilities cause
>>  packets to be discarded in an attempt to make local networks and the
>>  Internet more secure.  However, it is worth noting that some packets
>>  sent by legitimate applications may also be discarded in this
>>  process, affecting reliability and ease of use for these
>>  applications.
>>=20
>>  There is a constructive tension between the desires of users for
>>  transparent end-to-end connectivity on the one hand, and the need =
for
>>  local-area network administrators to detect and prevent intrusion by
>>  unauthorized public Internet users on the other.  This document is
>>  intended to highlight reasonable limitations on end-to-end
>>  transparency where security considerations are deemed important to
>>  promote local and Internet security."
>>=20
>> Now, draft-ietf-v6ops-ipv6-cpe-router-06 says in S-1 of its =
security-consideration section:
>> - "The IPv6 CE router SHOULD support =
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security]."
>>=20
>>=20
>> The latter should IMHO be made more consistent with the former.
>> it should, for this, be more open to IPv6-CPEs that don't sacrifice =
end-to-end connectivity.
>> (The counterpart of this sacrifice, detrimental to a number of =
applications, is an additional security that not everybody needs).
>>=20
>> For instance, S-1 could  say:
>> - "If more security than available with end-to-end connectivity is =
found desirable, the IPv6-CE SHOULD support =
[I-D.ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security]."=20
>=20
> note that S-1 says the CE should have the capability to do simple =
security. it does not say if this functionality should be turned on or =
off or what the default should be.

The point is that the draft simple-security draft only SPECIFIES simple =
security, for products that support it.
It DOESN'T say that CPEs SHOULD support it.
(What it says is - capitalization added: "SOME IPv6 gateway devices ... =
MAY be augmented with 'simple security' capabilities ..." .=20

As an example, Free's CPEs have acted as IPv6 routers since December =
2007 without needing "IPV6 simple security".
They MUST remain legitimate IPv6 routers despite this absence.=20

Cheers,
RD=20





>=20
> cheers,
> Ole
>=20
>=20




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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : Recommended Simple Security Capabilities in Customer Premises Equipment for Providing Residential IPv6 Internet Service
	Author(s)       : J. Woodyatt
	Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-cpe-simple-security-12.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2010-06-22

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Anyone who wants time, please drop me a note.

Note that the Secretariat and IESG are currently struggling with the =
agenda, and we may very well wind up with one slot instead of two. I =
want to give all the time needed for discussions we need to have, and =
not waste time arguing for the second slot if we won't actually use it. =
So I really need to know this week.=


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Ole, Tim and myself would like few minutes on the harmful tunnels work.
It is to be re-submitted very soon.

G/


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Anyone who wants time, please drop me a note.

Note that the Secretariat and IESG are currently struggling with the
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	Title           : IPv6 Deployment in Internet Exchange Points (IXPs)
	Author(s)       : R. Gagliano
	Filename        : draft-ietf-v6ops-v6inixp-08.txt
	Pages           : 11
	Date            : 2010-06-25

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From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
Subject: Agenda for 78th IETF
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:55:41 -0700
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I rather expected to get requests for

        draft-sarikaya-v6ops-prefix-delegation-01.txt
        draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops-02.txt
        draft-korhonen-v6ops-3gpp-eps-03.txt
        draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn-01.txt

What I have is the following.

Those who want agenda time should please post drafts to support it and =
should let me know. We were in fact given two slots in the initial =
agenda. If things remain as they stand, I'll cut that back to one.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
> Date: June 24, 2010 5:33:31 AM PDT
> To: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Subject: Agenda call
>=20
> Anyone who wants time, please drop me a note.
>=20
> Note that the Secretariat and IESG are currently struggling with the =
agenda, and we may very well wind up with one slot instead of two. I =
want to give all the time needed for discussions we need to have, and =
not waste time arguing for the second slot if we won't actually use it. =
So I really need to know this week.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <gvandeve@cisco.com>
> Date: June 24, 2010 7:19:46 AM PDT
> To: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>, "IPv6 Operations" =
<v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Cc: "Ole Troan" <ot@cisco.com>, <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> Subject: RE: Agenda call
>=20
> Ole, Tim and myself would like few minutes on the harmful tunnels =
work.
> It is to be re-submitted very soon.
>=20
> G/
>=20


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Rajeev Koodli <rkoodli@cisco.com>
> Date: June 24, 2010 5:51:55 AM PDT
> To: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: Agenda call
>=20
>=20
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Rajeev Koodli <rkoodli@cisco.com>
> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:09:06 -0700
> To: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
> Conversation: Looking for v6ops agenda items
> Subject: Re: Looking for v6ops agenda items
>=20
>=20
> Hi Fred,
>=20
> I would like 10 minutes please. Depending on the "agenda density", I =
could
> use 5 more minutes for Q&A.
>=20
> draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-in-mobile-networks
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> -Rajeev
>=20
Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <gvandeve@cisco.com>
> Date: June 24, 2010 7:22:15 AM PDT
> To: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
> Cc: "Tony Hain (ahain)" <ahain@cisco.com>, "Chip Popoviciu (cpopovic)" =
<cpopovic@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: Agenda call
>=20
> Hi Fred,
>=20
> I would like to ask 10 minutes time to discuss "IP protocol
> selection"... its not a draft yet, but the idea is out there and I =
just
> have to write it down... should be done rather soon once I get to it.
>=20
> G/
Begin forwarded message:

> From: <Jason.Weil@cox.com>
> Date: June 27, 2010 11:39:30 AM PDT
> To: <fred@cisco.com>
> Cc: <marla.azinger@frontiercorp.com>, <tli@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: Agenda call
>=20
> Fred,
>=20
> Tony Li, Marla Azinger and I would like a few minutes to discuss a =
CIDR for IPv6 draft which is basically an update to RFC4632. It will be =
submitted to the list shortly. Either Marla or I will be in attendance =
to present.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Jason



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----- Original Message ----
> From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
> To: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 1:55:41 AM
> Subject: Agenda for 78th IETF
> 
> I rather expected to get requests for

        
> draft-sarikaya-v6ops-prefix-delegation-01.txt


Fred, I can present this draft if you like.

Regards,

Behcet
        
> draft-nakibly-v6ops-tunnel-loops-02.txt
        
> draft-korhonen-v6ops-3gpp-eps-03.txt
        
> draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn-01.txt

What I have is the 
> following.

Those who want agenda time should please post drafts to 
> support it and should let me know. We were in fact given two slots in the 
> initial agenda. If things remain as they stand, I'll cut that back to 
> one.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Fred Baker <
> ymailto="mailto:fred@cisco.com" 
> href="mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com>
> Date: June 24, 2010 
> 5:33:31 AM PDT
> To: IPv6 Operations <
> ymailto="mailto:v6ops@ops.ietf.org" 
> href="mailto:v6ops@ops.ietf.org">v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Subject: 
> Agenda call
> 
> Anyone who wants time, please drop me a 
> note.
> 
> Note that the Secretariat and IESG are currently 
> struggling with the agenda, and we may very well wind up with one slot instead 
> of two. I want to give all the time needed for discussions we need to have, and 
> not waste time arguing for the second slot if we won't actually use it. So I 
> really need to know this week.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: 
> "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <
> href="mailto:gvandeve@cisco.com">gvandeve@cisco.com>
> Date: June 
> 24, 2010 7:19:46 AM PDT
> To: "Fred Baker (fred)" <
> ymailto="mailto:fred@cisco.com" 
> href="mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com>, "IPv6 Operations" <
> ymailto="mailto:v6ops@ops.ietf.org" 
> href="mailto:v6ops@ops.ietf.org">v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> Cc: "Ole 
> Troan" <
> href="mailto:ot@cisco.com">ot@cisco.com>, <
> ymailto="mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
> href="mailto:tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk">tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> Subject: 
> RE: Agenda call
> 
> Ole, Tim and myself would like few minutes on 
> the harmful tunnels work.
> It is to be re-submitted very soon.
> 
> 
> G/
> 


Begin forwarded message:

> From: 
> Rajeev Koodli <
> href="mailto:rkoodli@cisco.com">rkoodli@cisco.com>
> Date: June 24, 
> 2010 5:51:55 AM PDT
> To: Fred Baker <
> ymailto="mailto:fred@cisco.com" 
> href="mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: Agenda 
> call
> 
> 
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Rajeev 
> Koodli <
> href="mailto:rkoodli@cisco.com">rkoodli@cisco.com>
> Date: Sat, 19 
> Jun 2010 18:09:06 -0700
> To: Fred Baker <
> ymailto="mailto:fred@cisco.com" 
> href="mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com>
> Conversation: 
> Looking for v6ops agenda items
> Subject: Re: Looking for v6ops agenda 
> items
> 
> 
> Hi Fred,
> 
> I would like 10 
> minutes please. Depending on the "agenda density", I could
> use 5 more 
> minutes for Q&A.
> 
> 
> draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-in-mobile-networks
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> -Rajeev
> 
Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Gunter Van de 
> Velde (gvandeve)" <
> href="mailto:gvandeve@cisco.com">gvandeve@cisco.com>
> Date: June 
> 24, 2010 7:22:15 AM PDT
> To: "Fred Baker (fred)" <
> ymailto="mailto:fred@cisco.com" 
> href="mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com>
> Cc: "Tony Hain 
> (ahain)" <
> href="mailto:ahain@cisco.com">ahain@cisco.com>, "Chip Popoviciu 
> (cpopovic)" <
> href="mailto:cpopovic@cisco.com">cpopovic@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: 
> Agenda call
> 
> Hi Fred,
> 
> I would like to ask 10 
> minutes time to discuss "IP protocol
> selection"... its not a draft yet, 
> but the idea is out there and I just
> have to write it down... should be 
> done rather soon once I get to it.
> 
> G/
Begin forwarded 
> message:

> From: <
> href="mailto:Jason.Weil@cox.com">Jason.Weil@cox.com>
> Date: June 
> 27, 2010 11:39:30 AM PDT
> To: <
> href="mailto:fred@cisco.com">fred@cisco.com>
> Cc: <
> ymailto="mailto:marla.azinger@frontiercorp.com" 
> href="mailto:marla.azinger@frontiercorp.com">marla.azinger@frontiercorp.com>, 
> <
> href="mailto:tli@cisco.com">tli@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: Agenda 
> call
> 
> Fred,
> 
> Tony Li, Marla Azinger and I would 
> like a few minutes to discuss a CIDR for IPv6 draft which is basically an update 
> to RFC4632. It will be submitted to the list shortly. Either Marla or I will be 
> in attendance to present.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Jason


      


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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:34:57 +0800
From: Sheng Jiang <shengjiang@huawei.com>
Subject: RE: Agenda for 78th IETF
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> I rather expected to get requests for
> 
>         draft-ietf-v6ops-incremental-cgn-01.txt

Hi, Fred,

Thanks for your kindly reminder. Yes, we made an update recently. I would like to present our
modifications in the coming IETF meeting. 5 mins time should be enough since update is not much.

By the way, when can we take next step forward regarding to our another draft
draft-ietf-v6ops-isp-scenarios? Our understanding was that we all wanted this draft to be published
as early as possible so the survey information can be public available. It seems we have stopped
here for almost two months. Should we take action now?

Best regards,

Sheng
 
> What I have is the following.
> 
> Those who want agenda time should please post drafts to 
> support it and should let me know. We were in fact given two 
> slots in the initial agenda. If things remain as they stand, 
> I'll cut that back to one.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
> > Date: June 24, 2010 5:33:31 AM PDT
> > To: IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> > Subject: Agenda call
> > 
> > Anyone who wants time, please drop me a note.
> > 
> > Note that the Secretariat and IESG are currently struggling 
> with the agenda, and we may very well wind up with one slot 
> instead of two. I want to give all the time needed for 
> discussions we need to have, and not waste time arguing for 
> the second slot if we won't actually use it. So I really need 
> to know this week.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <gvandeve@cisco.com>
> > Date: June 24, 2010 7:19:46 AM PDT
> > To: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>, "IPv6 Operations" 
> > <v6ops@ops.ietf.org>
> > Cc: "Ole Troan" <ot@cisco.com>, <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> > Subject: RE: Agenda call
> > 
> > Ole, Tim and myself would like few minutes on the harmful 
> tunnels work.
> > It is to be re-submitted very soon.
> > 
> > G/
> > 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: Rajeev Koodli <rkoodli@cisco.com>
> > Date: June 24, 2010 5:51:55 AM PDT
> > To: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
> > Subject: Re: Agenda call
> > 
> > 
> > ------ Forwarded Message
> > From: Rajeev Koodli <rkoodli@cisco.com>
> > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:09:06 -0700
> > To: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
> > Conversation: Looking for v6ops agenda items
> > Subject: Re: Looking for v6ops agenda items
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Fred,
> > 
> > I would like 10 minutes please. Depending on the "agenda 
> density", I 
> > could use 5 more minutes for Q&A.
> > 
> > draft-ietf-v6ops-v6-in-mobile-networks
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > -Rajeev
> > 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: "Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)" <gvandeve@cisco.com>
> > Date: June 24, 2010 7:22:15 AM PDT
> > To: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
> > Cc: "Tony Hain (ahain)" <ahain@cisco.com>, "Chip Popoviciu 
> (cpopovic)" 
> > <cpopovic@cisco.com>
> > Subject: RE: Agenda call
> > 
> > Hi Fred,
> > 
> > I would like to ask 10 minutes time to discuss "IP protocol 
> > selection"... its not a draft yet, but the idea is out there and I 
> > just have to write it down... should be done rather soon 
> once I get to it.
> > 
> > G/
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: <Jason.Weil@cox.com>
> > Date: June 27, 2010 11:39:30 AM PDT
> > To: <fred@cisco.com>
> > Cc: <marla.azinger@frontiercorp.com>, <tli@cisco.com>
> > Subject: RE: Agenda call
> > 
> > Fred,
> > 
> > Tony Li, Marla Azinger and I would like a few minutes to 
> discuss a CIDR for IPv6 draft which is basically an update to 
> RFC4632. It will be submitted to the list shortly. Either 
> Marla or I will be in attendance to present.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Jason
> 
> 



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=46rom http://www.ietf.org/meeting/cutoff-dates-2010.html#IETF78:

	=95 2010-07-05 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial =
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	=95 2010-07-12 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off =
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
> Date: June 29, 2010 2:36:26 PM PDT
> To: <ops-chairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: FW: Third Call for Nomcom 2010-11 Volunteers 
> 
> 
> Please send this third call for volunteers for NomComm to your WG
> lists. Participating in NomComm is an important contribution to the
> future of the IETF. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Thomas Walsh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:31 AM
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> Subject: FW: Third Call for Nomcom 2010-11 Volunteers 
> 
> Please volunteer if you are eligible.  You must have attended 3 of the
> last 5 IETF meetings to be eligible.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org
> [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of NomCom Chair
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:58 PM
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> Subject: Third Call for Nomcom 2010-11 Volunteers 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This is the Third call for Volunteers for the 2010-2011 Nomcom. 
> 
> We are now 2/3 of the way through the volunteer period so if you are
> considering volunteering please do so now as the time in which you may
> volunteer is beginning to run short.
> 
> The call for volunteers remains open until 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC) on July
> 8, 2010.
> 
> I am pleased to report that we currently have 65 volunteers thus far
> whose qualifications have been confirmed by the secretariat. I have
> notified each of these volunteers by email. I will publish the current
> list of volunteers in a separate message.
> 
> If you volunteered before 12:00 PDT (19:00 UTC) on June 28 to serve as a
> voting member and have not received a confirmation email from me, please
> re-submit and bring to my attention right away!
> 
> We still need additional volunteers, please!  If you have attended at
> least 3 of the last 5 IETF meetings you are eligible to volunteer. 
> 
> The 10 nominating committee members are selected randomly from a pool of
> volunteers.  The details of the operation of Nomcom may be found in RFC
> 3777.  The process on how to volunteer for Nomcom is in the initial
> announcement:  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2330/
> 
> The lists of open positions and people whose terms end in March 2011 and
> thus the positions for which the nominating committee is responsible are
> summarized in the initial announcement:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2330/
> 
> Please volunteer by sending an email before: 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC) July
> 8, 2010 as follows:
> 
> To: nomcom-chair@ietf.org
> Subject: Nomcom 2010-11 Volunteer
> 
> Please include the following information in the body:
> 
> <Your Full Name>  // As you enter in the IETF Registration Form,
>                  // First/Given name followed by Last/Family Name
> 
> <Current Primary Affiliation>
>                  // typically what goes in the Company field
>                  // in the IETF Registration Form
> 
> <all email addresses used to Register for the past 5 IETF meetings>
> <Preferred email address>  //
> 
> <Telephone number>         // For confirmation if selected
> 
> Please expect an email response from me within 3 days stating whether or
> not you are qualified.  If you don't receive a response, please re-send
> your email with the tag "Duplicate:" added to the subject line.
> 
> Thank you and I hope to hear from you,
> 
> Thomas Walsh
> Chair, Nomcom 2010-11
> Email: nomcom-chair@ietf.org
> 
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