From nobody Mon Jun 1 00:52:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5980F3A0DD9 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 00:52:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UUaWr7VtSHFE for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 00:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB31F3A0DD8 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 00:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id c185so8216123qke.7 for ; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 00:52:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=CLNBb4RQWVb/yRiwcWhAHtwFou5wAUfaYwHfoeZ+St4=; b=BFa2QBENtA2v4UVBarMOyD3wcjqJW3F5d9OAc/SbUZyk2o3jn0t2Xp/6WrB2hRsGbS jyxSGvfdm87jiFZyZqpz0JkETjOODL/Y6B86L60paZy8p+i7jElss6GQbtrHxmTOpfJI yBfS53KKnfYN7pyjZEEgRWFxElkrwdAXdAv2UBMw25mQE5Tibr3VGJ7cNhRPJdyX436+ IlOevF0e61qyWEK2bMX48R3ht+W1Cu4pzTbtD2LkbVXJTwhaw99P6nB13FaLmIjgk08v Ze1dBWoRhQL8qZy3VuvWE1930iKttpjoCBKTVWi2W2DHZvR9Ysi0AUTUHuGJ4POrllIF CFvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=CLNBb4RQWVb/yRiwcWhAHtwFou5wAUfaYwHfoeZ+St4=; b=i/xDRoWrsXrgVDfIXzBX/grgNrxzprkNWV+XlJspOiKaAKKtv9HxSC5zCl2bc39SPu 2vsZXn/N2jHRDcJHDgt7/lFJBP4vSYuhU/TdzydX7+hV4hLpEbHEghcAqZMUZmiH+Stw zdkBpu9vWq35i3YuuMQSZqRM4ZdS01OpvQMF92oXaBeNLrZyFZFDQ1nhs8c93bjJrGZe x/3S3jRshT8vUGyGuma4EUWgj2sYbdlTtEvlHzv5ft4vOVkzFjUvYAuxG2PIUonUtoxF 4z5MNFEGe+InDYBIbYdQq9ykjt3yIkorpNLkeHhkZWEka5NVLpsOz8CFX0fa2mQIP+lR EICA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530/NfzqqfUK3OBrekKWWZCaxpWR062IdqL0PH1HbJIb84xHCvXc uAR5LCBpVSI88tbxpcsNNUbWcO7HA0OGrGr2HF1VwQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxJ8bh7Q/cdBfYdmr6o2HdM6uUw9NCOHrpaClJLQNy14uQiK3pG1tmUe2YSnmejhUnTlLXjb/hO0DyFci6RqjA= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6cf:: with SMTP id 198mr16094199qkg.277.1590997944699; Mon, 01 Jun 2020 00:52:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159096898513.2080.10118604455766636504@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Jen Linkova Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:52:13 +1000 Message-ID: To: V6 Ops List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [v6ops] Fwd: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dhc-v6only-01.txt X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 07:52:32 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Jen Linkova Date: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [dhcwg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dhc-v6only-01.txt To: First of all, thanks to everyone who read the draft and provided their comments. Post-WGLC -01 version has just been submitted. Changes since -00: 1) The Abstract and the Introduction sections have explicitly mention RFC2563 update. 2) A definition of 'IPv4-requiring host' is added to the Terminology section 3) (most important one, probably): Instead of saying that the client MUST NOT request an address provided by the server (if the server decided to offer a real address, not 0.0.0.0) , the draft is now saying 'SHOULD NOT'. 4) some text polishing/typo fixing On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:49 AM wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Dynamic Host Configuration WG of the IETF. > > Title : IPv6-Only-Preferred Option for DHCP > Authors : Lorenzo Colitti > Jen Linkova > Michael C. Richardson > Tomek Mrugalski > Filename : draft-ietf-dhc-v6only-01.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2020-05-31 > > Abstract: > This document specifies a DHCP option to indicate that a host > supports an IPv6-only mode and willing to forgo obtaining an IPv4 > address if the network provides IPv6 connectivity. It also updates > [RFC2563] to specify the DHCP server behavior when the server > receives a DHCPDISCOVER not containing the Auto-Configure option. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dhc-v6only/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dhc-v6only-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dhc-v6only-01 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dhc-v6only-01 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg -- SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry -- SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry From nobody Wed Jun 3 09:58:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705183A0C84 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DPHLvhOHnCHI for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pl1-x62c.google.com (mail-pl1-x62c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5F4F3A0C5B for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pl1-x62c.google.com with SMTP id y11so1003606plt.12 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :references:to; bh=JIHQOHPPZMCszqj+p0fMTfpzDwkIzKYrULLSmKFqIus=; b=oHUFf3AAL/KjNLfTravCexbZOUOLNZSoz0cbAPybUK9niBXzWvShfjvqXi5WLniUlv GH4/hjIdqrj6SAAYcExpU+zTLXVkaCXjev6aOAdpN5GDBjsMFflEfrjIq8pBbt4vpYl7 NyTRu/gGDdXK4lP/jZNhhf3QTCZRcajAqfrjyy2pd97HhmpJ2l2JHAM7feCbzr38XZo7 GAcOgo7zdqnFTm3GVwfZRl0wREAYf6FcUymjD1tEJMbIkAfyOkvGQcX4F6EXBiljo+/x hSPZMoxtl7cPkUnaWMQMNaSjbeOzb4/f9p3irytQhPf/n0MORUlgNHmIGilCTA7s9zC5 UMlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:to; bh=JIHQOHPPZMCszqj+p0fMTfpzDwkIzKYrULLSmKFqIus=; b=BBBYJfp8T0uhDEXDQafNmdW+VLMoOAjCY9Ck0JHlwTO7zdrz386zhVxSJLjW8IGXl2 igEwzUVRgE+080qJh2zuHZW6zJJWSZC+kERZUg1tLn/DY+CTJc+7nf5TSuX4BGW1AdxV zhhf+WaMHPvgirxpK38hHhhQUbBDvg1KasWejI1bq1RQXZ/bxesMTMIwXUsEY32P/+tI kXB0DrxyUZdUbVImGiq6Tb5Re2tj49oJzqwKYb2sknxqgLAZ0m25sdH/V6wNTatcZmo2 WjXQSLyDTnuGH4ZLTw9SjepHX5Nt5YHX4MDlNXMvU2SvkGVlqh4M12shDyswfsULUZPv LdwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531fI0d6prBvcvRUenhPzJ0aRG4nXOZ5rGFTAC7/xe/57GCTnZM6 o1ZhJcpYOa89UFCPk6bRvbBDfJRP X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxzsJVocpbdNHb77wfgSXb2np34aLOjVUH1UaJ4XiIIPY7QIazETsG3Ka4G2TKRDrp/gmcnnQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:70c3:: with SMTP id l3mr767511plt.70.1591203480730; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (ip72-205-89-216.sb.sd.cox.net. [72.205.89.216]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q18sm2036152pgn.34.2020.06.03.09.57.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jun 2020 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker X-Google-Original-From: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4B5EDA2D-01F3-4631-BF97-65788ECAC3C2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:57:58 -0700 Message-Id: <8EDE375B-90F6-4C31-9E4F-019BC42310B4@gmail.com> References: To: IPv6 Operations X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17G5035d) Archived-At: Subject: [v6ops] Fwd: IETF 108 planning X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 16:58:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail-4B5EDA2D-01F3-4631-BF97-65788ECAC3C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Passing along an exchange I had with Ron. TL;DR: we plan to have an =E2=80=9C= interim=E2=80=9D session online sometime in July in lieu of a formal meeting= managed as part of IETF 108. If we want to meet as part of IETF 108, I have= until June 12 to request a slot, but as of now I don=E2=80=99t plan to do s= o. Your opinions welcome. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Ron Bonica > Date: June 3, 2020 at 8:17:07 AM PDT > To: Fred Baker > Cc: Warren Kumari > Subject: RE: IETF 108 planning >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Fred, > =20 > I agree. V6OPS has done a very good job of shifting its work from in perso= n meetings to the mailing list. So, we really don=E2=80=99t need to meet at I= ETF 108. > =20 > We are progressing the drafts that we have on our plate nicely and we don=E2= =80=99t have any new drafts. > =20 > Ron > =20 > =20 > =20 > Juniper Business Use Only > From: Fred Baker =20 > Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 5:53 PM > To: Ron Bonica > Cc: Warren Kumari > Subject: Fwd: IETF 108 planning > =20 > FYI, per https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/important-dates/, 6/12 i= s the last day to request a working group meeting within the IETF 108 schedu= le. I am not currently planning to do that, as we have no new drafts to disc= uss. Folks have until 7/8 to file them, of course, but If they do they by de= finition have to be deferred to IETF 109 - I can't schedule a meeting to dis= cuss them. At most, we can invite email discussion. > =20 > You saw this email two months ago, and the one response, from Brian Carpen= ter, who asked that the speakers file drafts. > =20 > When would be a good time for a phone call? > =20 >=20 > Begin forwarded message: > =20 > From: Fred Baker > Subject: IETF 108 planning > Date: April 18, 2020 at 12:25:29 PM PDT > To: IPv6 Operations > =20 > Ron and I are starting the planning for IETF 108. Alissa has told the work= ing group chairs that there is a distinct chance that it will be entirely vi= rtual. Whatever the rest of the IETF does, I expect there will be some of us= that are not permitted to travel there - at least one speaker has told me t= hat. And I=E2=80=99m scratching my head on the agenda. > =20 > Each meeting, I say about 30 days before the repository closes that =E2=80= =9Cif someone has a draft they want to file, now would be the perfect time t= o do so.=E2=80=9D Consider that said. We are in the process of working group= last calls on five drafts, which I expect to result in updated drafts place= d in Warren=E2=80=99s in-basket. Those are each named =E2=80=9Cdraft-Ietf-v6= ops-*=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cdraft-Ietf-dhc-*=E2=80=9D.=20 > =20 > My understanding is that, with one possible exception, the working group d= oesn=E2=80=99t find our other posted individual submissions (draft-name-v6op= s-*) operationally interesting. So I=E2=80=99m looking for one, perhaps both= , of two things: new drafts that the working group, when asked, says =E2=80=9C= this is important; we need to discuss this=E2=80=9D, or statements by other t= han an author/editor that the individual submissions are operationally inter= esting. In each case, as always, I=E2=80=99m looking for supportive list dis= cussion; that can include the authors/editors, of course, but most interesti= ng are folks that have no vested interest saying =E2=80=9CI would like to im= plement this in my network.=E2=80=9D > =20 > So, I=E2=80=99m looking for drafts to discuss. > =20 > We also, for the past several years, been giving operators an opportunity t= o talk about IPv6 (and especially IPv6-only) deployment in their networks. I= f you look in the proceedings starting with about IETF 98, we have had one p= er meeting with the exception of IETF 107. What I am looking for there is > =20 > - letting operators talk with each other > - is there work that we, the IETF, need to be doing and haven=E2=80=99t= done? > =20 > Right now, I have three folks that have asked me for air time: > =20 > Ben Kyemba, RENU (IPv6 deployment in RENU, NREN in Uganda) > Jen Linkova, Google, (the process of turning off IPv4) > Chifei Xie, China Telecom (Chinese IPv6 usage statistics, which diff= er from Google, Akamai, and APNIC numbers) > =20 > A topic I would like to see discussed (but I=E2=80=99m missing some import= ant details) would be an IPv6-capable network security survey tool. One issu= e enterprises raise with IPv6 is that appliances and tools they use for IPv4= security are not available (or not well known) as applying the same tests t= o IPv6 and thereby testing a network=E2=80=99s IPv6 security In a comparable= way. If someone has one they would recommend, especially if they have exper= ience using it, I=E2=80=99d like to add a talk on that topic to the above fo= ur. > =20 > So, to put hands and feet on this, I=E2=80=99m thinking of scheduling a tw= o hour virtual interim and asking those three or four speakers to participat= e in it. If we have new draft(s) with working group support, I=E2=80=99ll in= clude those as well, of course, but that would be in a separate meeting. > =20 > So, I have a couple of questions, besides =E2=80=9Cplease post drafts=E2=80= =9D. > =20 > 1) do you find the speakers listed above interesting? > 2) would you rather meet f2f in Madrid during the scheduled IETF week? > =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C meet virtually during the scheduled IET= F week > =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C would you rather have one or two virtua= l interims? > 3) if you=E2=80=99re interested in a virtual interim, when would you like t= o do it? Fill in the doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/4fw2d6d56fyi2tw4 --Apple-Mail-4B5EDA2D-01F3-4631-BF97-65788ECAC3C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Passing along an exchange I had with Ron. T= L;DR: we plan to have an =E2=80=9Cinterim=E2=80=9D session online sometime i= n July in lieu of a formal meeting managed as part of IETF 108. If we want t= o meet as part of IETF 108, I have until June 12 to request a slot, but as o= f now I don=E2=80=99t plan to do so.

Your opinions welcom= e.

Sent from my iPad

Begin= forwarded message:

= From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Date: June 3, 2= 020 at 8:17:07 AM PDT
To: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com&= gt;
Cc: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Subject:= RE:  IETF 108 planning

=EF=BB=BF =

Fred,

 

I agree. V6OPS has done a very good job of shifting i= ts work from in person meetings to the mailing list. So, we really don=E2=80= =99t need to meet at IETF 108.

 

We are progressing the drafts that we have on our pla= te nicely and we don=E2=80=99t have any new drafts.

 

         = ;            &nb= sp;            &= nbsp;            = ;         Ron

 

 

 

Juniper Business Use Only=

From: Fred Baker <fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com&= gt;
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 5:53 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Cc: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Subject: Fwd: IETF 108 planning

 

FYI, per https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/impo= rtant-dates/, 6/12 is the last day to request a working group meeting wi= thin the IETF 108 schedule. I am not currently planning to do that, as we have no new drafts to discuss. Folks have until 7= /8 to file them, of course, but If they do they by definition have to be def= erred to IETF 109 - I can't schedule a meeting to discuss them. At most, we c= an invite email discussion.

 

You saw this email two months ago, and the one respon= se, from Brian Carpenter, who asked that the speakers file drafts.

 

When would be a good time for a phone call?

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Fred Baker &= lt;fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com&= gt;

Subject: IETF 108 planning

Date: April 18, 2= 020 at 12:25:29 PM PDT

To: IPv6 Operat= ions <v6ops@ietf.org>

 

Ron and I are starting the planning for IETF 108. Ali= ssa has told the working group chairs that there is a distinct chance that i= t will be entirely virtual. Whatever the rest of the IETF does, I expect the= re will be some of us that are not permitted to travel there - at least one speaker has told me that. And I= =E2=80=99m scratching my head on the agenda.

 

Each meeting, I say about 30 days before the reposito= ry closes that =E2=80=9Cif someone has a draft they want to file, now would b= e the perfect time to do so.=E2=80=9D Consider that said. We are in the proc= ess of working group last calls on five drafts, which I expect to result in updated drafts placed in Warren=E2=80=99s in-ba= sket. Those are each named =E2=80=9Cdraft-Ietf-v6ops-*=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9C= draft-Ietf-dhc-*=E2=80=9D. 

 

My understanding is that, with one possible exception= , the working group doesn=E2=80=99t find our other posted individual submiss= ions (draft-name-v6ops-*) operationally interesting. So I=E2=80=99m looking f= or one, perhaps both, of two things: new drafts that the working group, when asked, says =E2=80=9Cthis is important; we nee= d to discuss this=E2=80=9D, or statements by other than an author/editor tha= t the individual submissions are operationally interesting. In each case, as= always, I=E2=80=99m looking for supportive list discussion; that can include the authors/editors, of course, but most interesting are f= olks that have no vested interest saying =E2=80=9CI would like to implement t= his in my network.=E2=80=9D

 

So, I=E2=80=99m looking for drafts to discuss.

 

We also, for the past several years, been giving oper= ators an opportunity to talk about IPv6 (and especially IPv6-only) deploymen= t in their networks. If you look in the proceedings starting with about IETF= 98, we have had one per meeting with the exception of IETF 107. What I am looking for there is

 

   - letting operators talk with each other=

   - is there work that we, the IETF, need t= o be doing and haven=E2=80=99t done?

 

Right now, I have three folks that have asked me for a= ir time:

 

      Ben Kyemba, RENU (IPv6 deploymen= t in RENU, NREN in Uganda)

      Jen Linkova, Google, (the proces= s of turning off IPv4)

      Chifei Xie, China Telecom (Chine= se IPv6 usage statistics, which differ from Google, Akamai, and APNIC number= s)

 

A topic I would like to see discussed (but I=E2=80=99= m missing some important details) would be an IPv6-capable network security s= urvey tool. One issue enterprises raise with IPv6 is that appliances and too= ls they use for IPv4 security are not available (or not well known) as applying the same tests to IPv6 and thereb= y testing a network=E2=80=99s IPv6 security In a comparable way. If someone h= as one they would recommend, especially if they have experience using it, I=E2= =80=99d like to add a talk on that topic to the above four.

 

So, to put hands and feet on this, I=E2=80=99m thinki= ng of scheduling a two hour virtual interim and asking those three or four s= peakers to participate in it. If we have new draft(s) with working group sup= port, I=E2=80=99ll include those as well, of course, but that would be in a separate meeting.

 

So, I have a couple of questions, besides =E2=80=9Cpl= ease post drafts=E2=80=9D.

 

1) do you find the speakers listed above interesting?=

2) would you rather meet f2f in Madrid during the sch= eduled IETF week?

     =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C mee= t virtually during the scheduled IETF week

     =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C =E2=80=9C wou= ld you rather have one or two virtual interims?

3) if you=E2=80=99re interested in a virtual interim,= when would you like to do it? Fill in the doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/4fw2d6d56fyi2t= w4

= --Apple-Mail-4B5EDA2D-01F3-4631-BF97-65788ECAC3C2-- From nobody Wed Jun 3 21:34:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4F13A0F1A for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGcN7SWY40qw for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgont.go6lab.si (fgont.go6lab.si [IPv6:2001:67c:27e4::14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 671173A0EED for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2020 21:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2800:810:464:8801:5c39:6620:28e8:109c] (unknown [IPv6:2800:810:464:8801:5c39:6620:28e8:109c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fgont.go6lab.si (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C9792838CD; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 04:33:42 +0000 (UTC) To: Fred Baker , IPv6 Operations References: <8EDE375B-90F6-4C31-9E4F-019BC42310B4@gmail.com> From: Fernando Gont Message-ID: <135a2584-7831-91cd-cb42-35815125ff87@si6networks.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 01:31:29 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8EDE375B-90F6-4C31-9E4F-019BC42310B4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: IETF 108 planning X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 04:33:59 -0000 Hello, Fred, FWIW, I agree with your (and Ron's) assessment. Even more, if there's a need for a virtual meeting, I guess the option of interim meetings is always on the table? (Actually, I'd say that I'm curious about the need to have a virtual IETF 108 -- spreading any virtual interim meetings over time and as needed would seem like a much better option to me). Thanks, Fernando On 3/6/20 13:57, Fred Baker wrote: > Passing along an exchange I had with Ron. TL;DR: we plan to have an > “interim” session online sometime in July in lieu of a formal meeting > managed as part of IETF 108. If we want to meet as part of IETF 108, I > have until June 12 to request a slot, but as of now I don’t plan to do so. > > Your opinions welcome. > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:* Ron Bonica >> *Date:* June 3, 2020 at 8:17:07 AM PDT >> *To:* Fred Baker >> *Cc:* Warren Kumari >> *Subject:* *RE:  IETF 108 planning* >> >>  >> >> Fred, >> >> I agree. V6OPS has done a very good job of shifting its work from in >> person meetings to the mailing list. So, we really don’t need to meet >> at IETF 108. >> >> We are progressing the drafts that we have on our plate nicely and we >> don’t have any new drafts. >> >>                                                         Ron >> >> Juniper Business Use Only >> >> *From:* Fred Baker >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 5:53 PM >> *To:* Ron Bonica >> *Cc:* Warren Kumari >> *Subject:* Fwd: IETF 108 planning >> >> FYI, per https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/important-dates/, >> 6/12 is the last day to request a working group meeting within the >> IETF 108 schedule. I am not currently planning to do that, as we have >> no new drafts to discuss. Folks have until 7/8 to file them, of >> course, but If they do they by definition have to be deferred to IETF >> 109 - I can't schedule a meeting to discuss them. At most, we can >> invite email discussion. >> >> You saw this email two months ago, and the one response, from Brian >> Carpenter, who asked that the speakers file drafts. >> >> When would be a good time for a phone call? >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *Fred Baker > > >> >> *Subject: IETF 108 planning* >> >> *Date: *April 18, 2020 at 12:25:29 PM PDT >> >> *To: *IPv6 Operations > >> >> Ron and I are starting the planning for IETF 108. Alissa has told >> the working group chairs that there is a distinct chance that it >> will be entirely virtual. Whatever the rest of the IETF does, I >> expect there will be some of us that are not permitted to travel >> there - at least one speaker has told me that. And I’m scratching >> my head on the agenda. >> >> Each meeting, I say about 30 days before the repository closes >> that “if someone has a draft they want to file, now would be the >> perfect time to do so.” Consider that said. We are in the process >> of working group last calls on five drafts, which I expect to >> result in updated drafts placed in Warren’s in-basket. Those are >> each named “draft-Ietf-v6ops-*” or “draft-Ietf-dhc-*”. >> >> My understanding is that, with one possible exception, the working >> group doesn’t find our other posted individual submissions >> (draft-name-v6ops-*) operationally interesting. So I’m looking for >> one, perhaps both, of two things: new drafts that the working >> group, when asked, says “this is important; we need to discuss >> this”, or statements by other than an author/editor that the >> individual submissions are operationally interesting. In each >> case, as always, I’m looking for supportive list discussion; that >> can include the authors/editors, of course, but most interesting >> are folks that have no vested interest saying “I would like to >> implement this in my network.” >> >> So, I’m looking for drafts to discuss. >> >> We also, for the past several years, been giving operators an >> opportunity to talk about IPv6 (and especially IPv6-only) >> deployment in their networks. If you look in the proceedings >> starting with about IETF 98, we have had one per meeting with the >> exception of IETF 107. What I am looking for there is >> >>    - letting operators talk with each other >> >>    - is there work that we, the IETF, need to be doing and haven’t >> done? >> >> Right now, I have three folks that have asked me for air time: >> >>       Ben Kyemba, RENU (IPv6 deployment in RENU, NREN in Uganda) >> >>       Jen Linkova, Google, (the process of turning off IPv4) >> >>       Chifei Xie, China Telecom (Chinese IPv6 usage statistics, >> which differ from Google, Akamai, and APNIC numbers) >> >> A topic I would like to see discussed (but I’m missing some >> important details) would be an IPv6-capable network security >> survey tool. One issue enterprises raise with IPv6 is that >> appliances and tools they use for IPv4 security are not available >> (or not well known) as applying the same tests to IPv6 and thereby >> testing a network’s IPv6 security In a comparable way. If someone >> has one they would recommend, especially if they have experience >> using it, I’d like to add a talk on that topic to the above four. >> >> So, to put hands and feet on this, I’m thinking of scheduling a >> two hour virtual interim and asking those three or four speakers >> to participate in it. If we have new draft(s) with working group >> support, I’ll include those as well, of course, but that would be >> in a separate meeting. >> >> So, I have a couple of questions, besides “please post drafts”. >> >> 1) do you find the speakers listed above interesting? >> >> 2) would you rather meet f2f in Madrid during the scheduled IETF week? >> >>      “ “ “ meet virtually during the scheduled IETF week >> >>      “ “ “ would you rather have one or two virtual interims? >> >> 3) if you’re interested in a virtual interim, when would you like >> to do it? 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I think this is not just for you ... it works ways better for everyone. Well except LLC perhaps. That actually puts back on the table the need for regular IETF venue meetings all together and that is why many people are even afraid that periodic interims regardless if online or physical could dismiss the need for global gatherings. Best, R. --00000000000050f12705a73ce3b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I think this is not ju= st for you ... it works ways better for everyone.=C2=A0

Well except LLC perhaps.=C2=A0

That actually= puts back on the table the need for regular IETF venue meetings all togeth= er and that is why many people are even afraid that periodic interims regar= dless if online or physical could dismiss the need for global gatherings.= =C2=A0

Best,
R.




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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: IETF 108 planning X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 08:08:27 -0000 Robert, On 04-Jun-20 19:13, Robert Raszuk wrote: > =C2=A0 >=20 > (Actually, I'd say that I'm curious about the need to have a virtua= l > IETF 108 -- spreading any virtual interim meetings over time and as= > needed would seem like a much better option to me). >=20 >=20 > 100% !!!=C2=A0 >=20 > I think this is not just for you ... it works ways better for everyone.= =C2=A0 >=20 > Well except LLC perhaps.=C2=A0 >=20 > That actually puts back on the table the need for regular IETF venue me= etings all together Please don't overlook the fact that many people are deadline-driven and t= he 4-monthly I-D cutoff dates are our main deadlines. Taking that away wo= uld damage progress. Also, we need a vehicle for BOFs and other mechanism= s like HotRFC, and reporting mechanisms to the community. And whether on-= line code sprints and hacakathons really work remains to be seen. I'm not saying these things can't be done on line, but we need to make su= re we find out all the unwritten and community-building functions of the = meetings and replace them too. A fine topic for the SHMO WG if created. Brian > and that is why many people are even afraid that periodic interims rega= rdless if online or physical could dismiss the need for global gatherings= =2E=C2=A0 >=20 > Best, > R. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =C2=A0 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops >=20 From nobody Thu Jun 4 05:18:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8385C3A0B34 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:18:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7EPU_urFngB2 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31D463A0B2A for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id q11so5871457wrp.3 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 05:18:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vsatb4MbkJ6AtjNLaEnWjzDW05UrAOMWcoDb4NpNtys=; b=F6Mug13V6j52p8SEtx2jgkn1RexPOnCTxwe0jVuljHGp33u+X8SsOfx5HxR6HWU1PW 6aaCBd2YSt/TdB3Pwdzj9nGA1n3Sy4KybnklRFPaUoBmGWt1NaZg/XwOKS6XJFUMYKr/ Z/JWwsHy3150Smo4482DimSPMyozcXzymQraF0yCcEaBdZub9Gb6tUtaFpONZObO7eeM YdA6qcfC0jrLXNO+YOnvkydG3H1dXiU22R6jLjqlpHaN5xT50pWLiHMCTM3OA4zB9NSi kIdtE/qUKV24mZg0R3wGWUWIlZIDsV2DqeyzQ8ks/kjsG+XJXJay7U4COU7y7dt0sui9 BjVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=vsatb4MbkJ6AtjNLaEnWjzDW05UrAOMWcoDb4NpNtys=; b=FtVKR1E/BcwDyqRD2MGsQJbMKaJn3uaSr14wqKWX7Txq4FcMbcJCcG4hpOTiZOTz+T dHPCEtt+gB6RC7eZEdxXZb5buUBItUVDypAAJE9Ydsqa4T7ixEEI8V21VZ54FaZV7mSw TQdrCMkT/fq6SR5efVV4hDCtR6r1mqduuHHEwUzX2RIUsF00wvtoyMwfkbEvKj+rAfot dCV3eQClHRjURWMWC2qLAmrHNnd95FIsfy+P/vYhnett9iLw3o67FjKkbXIj9DLxDfXp wmk7FrdUvmujmFlShCChC0x4mMyxeQ/f52wJ/QNAXERPGn356JX0fzledP74XM8J2gfd jhxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533tSgePTMVhV2keQ1/qA9ZzHLnmSORPINqwve0bmRO2PNNf3gjQ mY5FcBOhiUM0GJa11WuJt7M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxOpu/DXGgmgG43bZ1Y+8tFaeQsncFJfmvoJStRevCDxUC8SbQwV3ctEUdZHvZnzOE+QzunAQ== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4c45:: with SMTP id n5mr4171173wrt.341.1591273129720; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 05:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.21] (tchowndsl.claranet.co.uk. 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Taking that = away would damage progress. Also, we need a vehicle for BOFs and other = mechanisms like HotRFC, and reporting mechanisms to the community. And = whether on-line code sprints and hacakathons really work remains to be = seen. >=20 > I'm not saying these things can't be done on line, but we need to make = sure we find out all the unwritten and community-building functions of = the meetings and replace them too. >=20 > A fine topic for the SHMO WG if created. Well, an interim is $230 (or was it $320?) cheaper for attendees than = planning for a session at the main event. Makes it cheaper and more = accessible to attend, and avoids people missing the session due to = clashes with other WGs. No reason we couldn=E2=80=99t have interim = meeting cutoffs, if deadlines are deemed useful? 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Besides if cutoffs are distributed in time (say per WG or per Area) it gives much more time for folks interested in BGP or IPv6 to also catch-up with Quic or HTML progress. R. --0000000000004d3f2b05a7413a39 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=C2=A0No reason we couldn=E2=80=99t have interim meeting= cutoffs, if deadlines are deemed useful?

Tim

Spot on ! Besides if cutoffs are distri= buted in time (say per WG or per Area) it gives much more time for folks=C2= =A0interested in BGP or IPv6 to also catch-up with Quic or HTML progress.

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[212.188.254.49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s132sm7604434wmf.12.2020.06.04.05.35.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Jun 2020 05:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Tim Chown In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:35:52 +0100 Cc: Brian E Carpenter , Fernando Gont , IPv6 Operations Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <70B1E0C8-87E4-496F-82B9-157760EF45B5@gmail.com> References: <8EDE375B-90F6-4C31-9E4F-019BC42310B4@gmail.com> <135a2584-7831-91cd-cb42-35815125ff87@si6networks.com> <6bcdfb67-6fde-e21d-a86f-1d6aa603fae4@gmail.com> <6708B98F-68AF-48B4-B9A9-E3B7EC2D2BCC@gmail.com> To: Robert Raszuk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] IETF 108 planning X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 12:37:19 -0000 > On 4 Jun 2020, at 13:24, Robert Raszuk wrote: >=20 > No reason we couldn=E2=80=99t have interim meeting cutoffs, if = deadlines are deemed useful? >=20 > Tim >=20 > Spot on ! Besides if cutoffs are distributed in time (say per WG or = per Area) it gives much more time for folks interested in BGP or IPv6 to = also catch-up with Quic or HTML progress. Actually, this is a really good point; as it is you see maybe 300-500 = (?) drafts appear in 24 hours. No way you can read everything you might = like to. Stagger them and it becomes possible. Tim= From nobody Thu Jun 4 05:41:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132A83A0B34 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jlu3D5T8D2Yx for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (cirse-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.148]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5AC63A088E for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by cirse-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 054CfQdw015397 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:41:26 +0200 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D5E120C77D for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr (muguet2-smtp-out.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.13]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E4420C7FB for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.11.240.58] ([10.11.240.58]) by muguet2-sys.intra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id 054CfP71022119 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:41:25 +0200 To: v6ops@ietf.org References: <8EDE375B-90F6-4C31-9E4F-019BC42310B4@gmail.com> <135a2584-7831-91cd-cb42-35815125ff87@si6networks.com> From: Alexandre Petrescu Message-ID: <5833f095-f719-04f7-0d67-c2be182b4815@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:41:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Fwd: IETF 108 planning X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 12:41:33 -0000 Le 04/06/2020 à 09:54, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a écrit : > Well, my groups (6TiSCH, LPWAN) have been practicing regular interims > (like bi-weekly) for years and that was really productive. > > That never replaced the need for the face to face IETF meetings, > though. Those forms of interaction have shown to be really > complementary for us. > > The virtual IETF is yet another thing. At IETF 107 neither f the > above groups met, and we had interims instead. That allowed us to > adjust the time of the meeting to the audience as opposed to get > something packed with other meetings, and in the middle of the night > for a majority (those groups have a majority of EU-based population). > We were really happy with that. > > This time we plan to ask for a short meeting, in the hope that we can > make explicit status and possibly steer decisions - to be confirmed > on the list, of course. What I’m trying to say is that after 6+ month > without a formal meeting we are missing the official aspect of the > IETF meetings and the expectation that more people show up and > influence than the more limited core that attend regular interims. > > Not sure the virtual IETF will achieve that as the F2F does. Then > there’s the fees. For the fees aspect: interests of individuals were polled and a majority expressed there should be no fees for the IETF virtual meetings. I hope that is taken into account. I do agree, though, that doing a great experience telco with many participants might incur costs. Webex is still for free, I think, but not sure for how long. If it comes back paying, the cost might still be low, compared to a typical individual meeting fee of roughly a few hundred dollars. Alex > > Take care, > > Pascal > > *From:* v6ops *On Behalf Of *Robert Raszuk > *Sent:* jeudi 4 juin 2020 09:14 *To:* Fernando Gont > *Cc:* IPv6 Operations > *Subject:* Re: [v6ops] Fwd: IETF 108 planning > > (Actually, I'd say that I'm curious about the need to have a virtual > IETF 108 -- spreading any virtual interim meetings over time and as > needed would seem like a much better option to me). > > 100% !!! > > I think this is not just for you ... it works ways better for > everyone. > > Well except LLC perhaps. > > That actually puts back on the table the need for regular IETF venue > meetings all together and that is why many people are even afraid > that periodic interims regardless if online or physical could dismiss > the need for global gatherings. > > Best, > > R. > > > _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > From nobody Thu Jun 4 05:42:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F173A0A29 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:42:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06GJ3UKZT95q for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:42:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qv1-xf36.google.com (mail-qv1-xf36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B5413A0C7F for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 05:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf36.google.com with SMTP id fc4so2810891qvb.1 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 05:42:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=xxXL8lc+GAcuxM7d+5FG6nDj47H5+Z3qXiXZq9v74rU=; b=xSH2gekXU1+TJ2MAlyMzN4BCknthboA47fZssllXFXbHzNHVgIbKw5Xq82s1b79O01 Pgnl4wtnAp1NKL8ffGDCUfbN8r5UfVDQiYqqhhnVlo130dATTV9SCMG9/LCpasn5IAEJ WC52yG031V6KkeLLb6i14fCEFiPiMRiqChfBG7qIVyPw3KTJHh58yevTxUBUD1KXo/mC 1F+pWJ5zyBkgUxXk7nvsnakNRYkfwr/GyQ21G+qc3Q2WjyUYtnp7Dmja8x4pCNjF2MwB /2i0h8B3yXUhf6oju5gph0zI1eKY/2GL93hlKVft4Uo9k0HAjFWgH8qq/NmMteNbkhGY 18sg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=xxXL8lc+GAcuxM7d+5FG6nDj47H5+Z3qXiXZq9v74rU=; b=URS8PT9IC0ArTq2WyPZ6c+ETk8paAFafM4Ou4IhmgfXQfJt36aA4EDafYjkws62Scj v42g7GaYug9iPCxbxJ8SCQVbiCyIuGK0dlvDcZRZQ6mdkbB7tbSKiJaeazel8GKIGD+Y UW4wrksMC4xJ+EKVa+dwJLzxm2OIcZM2Kt2pHglo6J6a8zqMLepzWV1gWYceqA72T57c i1RN05XNxhKpP5hNmaQPcdypTgu/0FXWNVQGJDJ1955BYVDC6aSAMn/GiYV+0OW814Wj 1Bu0wJ4LQY2JCNkbkSasusx1MgYRqoAyU4HrTZW6hT6PM8Gycr6iM+10zVAD3zX5ZyeP 2LgQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532mtripNmBnqBi8gcSPVD08teRHxPgnos/vvTngcYnIuLkpNOvk 5KN7Gy+z6tNtyEEg5p9sMT7TWw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwh3mxWfp7Q/EV57J9ThUv2LLSIdf4spVrqL9axXZOAI2db1Fb7QPemBBZacoj1vLosUWRpuA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:15c3:: with SMTP id p3mr4299691qvz.192.1591274525534; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 05:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:18b:300:36ee:c0d6:64b2:b62f:b859? ([2601:18b:300:36ee:c0d6:64b2:b62f:b859]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s45sm4872175qte.26.2020.06.04.05.42.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Jun 2020 05:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Lemon Message-Id: <34488BD2-93AD-4AEC-A5FF-387F0494F255@fugue.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A592FF8C-1A39-4934-83C3-0B5EA6543AA5" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3645.0.2.2.3\)) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 08:42:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <70B1E0C8-87E4-496F-82B9-157760EF45B5@gmail.com> Cc: Robert Raszuk , Fernando Gont , IPv6 Operations To: Tim Chown References: <8EDE375B-90F6-4C31-9E4F-019BC42310B4@gmail.com> <135a2584-7831-91cd-cb42-35815125ff87@si6networks.com> <6bcdfb67-6fde-e21d-a86f-1d6aa603fae4@gmail.com> <6708B98F-68AF-48B4-B9A9-E3B7EC2D2BCC@gmail.com> <70B1E0C8-87E4-496F-82B9-157760EF45B5@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3645.0.2.2.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] IETF 108 planning X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 12:42:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A592FF8C-1A39-4934-83C3-0B5EA6543AA5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Jun 4, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Tim Chown wrote: > Actually, this is a really good point; as it is you see maybe 300-500 = (?) drafts appear in 24 hours. No way you can read everything you might = like to. Stagger them and it becomes possible. Ideally, then, we=E2=80=99d just say =E2=80=9Clet=E2=80=99s have a new = version of Document X at date Y prior to interim Y,=E2=80=9D rather than = leaving it open. Then authors could schedule the work on documents more = based on their actual work schedule rather than an arbitrary deadline. I = say this based on the personal experience of having had deadlines come = at really inconvenient times so far this year, although IETF 108 looks = like it might not be too bad. But in general, a steady state model of = document deadlines would work a lot better for me, and it sounds like = I=E2=80=99m not alone in that. --Apple-Mail=_A592FF8C-1A39-4934-83C3-0B5EA6543AA5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On = Jun 4, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Tim Chown <tjc.ietf@gmail.com> = wrote:
Actually, this is a really good point; as it is you see maybe = 300-500 (?) drafts appear in 24 hours.  No way you can read = everything you might like to. Stagger them and it becomes = possible.

Ideally, then, we=E2=80=99d just say =E2=80=9Clet=E2=80=99s = have a new version of Document X at date Y prior to interim Y,=E2=80=9D = rather than leaving it open. Then authors could schedule the work on = documents more based on their actual work schedule rather than an = arbitrary deadline. I say this based on the personal experience of = having had deadlines come at really inconvenient times so far this year, = although IETF 108 looks like it might not be too bad. But in general, a = steady state model of document deadlines would work a lot better for me, = and it sounds like I=E2=80=99m not alone in that.
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Mon, 08 Jun 2020 07:16:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <02EC4339-2F7D-4836-9BEA-35068F527B71@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <02EC4339-2F7D-4836-9BEA-35068F527B71@gmail.com> From: Gyan Mishra Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 10:16:14 -0400 Message-ID: To: Fred Baker , "xiechf@chinatelecom.cn" Cc: IPv6 Operations Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008af0e105a7934134" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Note to Chongfen Xie X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 14:16:27 -0000 --0000000000008af0e105a7934134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" + Chongfen Xie via his direct email added Kind Regards Gyan On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:03 AM Fred Baker wrote: > I have sent two notes today to Chongfen Xie of China Telecom. Both have > been returned with delivery problems - which makes me wonder how much IETF > email he receives. I'm sending this on the off chance that he will receive > it, or someone will be able to forward it to him in a form he can receive, > and be able to contact me off list. > > Xie: my US phone number is +1-805-637-0529, and I may be reached as > fredbakersba@gmail.com, fredbaker.ietf@gmail.com, fred@isc.org, or > fred.baker.1460@facebook.com. > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD --0000000000008af0e105a7934134 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan

On Mon, Jun 8, 202= 0 at 4:03 AM Fred Baker <fre= dbaker.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
fredbakersba@gmail.com= , fredbak= er.ietf@gmail.com, fr= ed@isc.org, or fred.baker.1460@facebook.com.
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Folks,

 

Each week between now and IETF week, we will revi= ew and discuss one draft with an eye towards progressing it.

 

This week, please review and comment on draft-pal= et-v6ops-ipv6-only.

 

Please submit comments by June 22, 2020.

 

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--_000_DM6PR05MB6348F5472AE8FE5937D18A23AE850DM6PR05MB6348namp_-- From nobody Tue Jun 9 02:51:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0751A3A0CEE for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 02:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.222 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.222 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.276, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rms4KkMhyTzb for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stereo.hq.phicoh.net (stereo6-tun.hq.phicoh.net [IPv6:2001:888:1044:10:2a0:c9ff:fe9f:17a9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05AF33A0CE4 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stereo.hq.phicoh.net (localhost [::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by stereo.hq.phicoh.net with esmtp (TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305) (Smail #157) id m1jiaux-0000KhC; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 11:51:39 +0200 Message-Id: To: v6ops@ietf.org Cc: Ron Bonica From: Philip Homburg Sender: pch-b9D3CB0F5@u-1.phicoh.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 8 Jun 2020 16:51:06 +0000 ." Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 11:51:38 +0200 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Call for Discussion draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 09:51:47 -0000 >This week, please review and comment on draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only. I think this is a well thought-out set of definitions. From nobody Tue Jun 9 05:21:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietf.org Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901F33A0855; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:20:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: v6ops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.3.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: v6ops@ietf.org Message-ID: <159170525950.27677.17781195427848024592@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:20:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init-02.txt X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:21:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Neighbor Cache Entries on First-Hop Routers: Operational Considerations Author : Jen Linkova Filename : draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init-02.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2020-06-09 Abstract: Neighbor Discovery (RFC4861) is used by IPv6 nodes to determine the link-layer addresses of neighboring nodes as well as to discover and maintain reachability information. This document discusses how the neighbor discovery state machine on a first-hop router is causing user-visible connectivity issues when a new (not being seen on the network before) IPv6 address is being used. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Bellow you'll find my review: Thanks for your review and comments Fernando! I've just submitted -02 which shall address your comments. > ** Technical: ** > > * Section 2.2 > > You might want to note how the "override" flag in the NA is set, and the > state in which the NCE should be created. Done. > * Section 3.3 > > Might want to clarify which destination address to use? Done. > * Section 3.4: > > > > o If the address is in the Optimistic state the RS can not contain > > SLLAO. As a result the router would only create a cache entry if > > the solicited RAs is sent as as a unicast. Routers sending > > solicited RAs as multicast would not create a new cache entry as > > they do not need to send a unicast packet back to the host. > > Of the top of my head, I'm not sure if an RA sent to a multicast address > can be a "solicited RA" (as in "having the 'solicited' flag set). Please > double-check. There is no such thing as a 'solicited' flag in RA. By 'solicited' RA this section means 'an RA sent in response to an RS'. Such RA can indeed be sent either as a multicast (most routers were doing it by default initially, hence RFC7772) or as unicast. > ** Editorial: ** Done. > * Section 1.2: > > Not sure if this section is needed. Just introduce the acronyms the > first time you use each term, and that's it. I prefer to keep it as that way I do not need to track where exactly I mention the acronym for the first time.. > * Section 3: > > Thinking out loud: One might move this section (and subsections) to an > Appendix? IMHO, as some of those options are implemented by some vendors, so I believe it makes sense to discuss them. > On 25/5/20 12:51, Ron Bonica wrote: > > Folks, > > > > This message initiates a WG Last Call on > > draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init. > > > > Please submit comments by June 8, 2020. > > > > > > Fred and Ron > > > > > > Juniper Business Use Only > > > > _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list > > v6ops@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > > > > > -- > Fernando Gont > e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com > PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > v6ops mailing list > v6ops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops -- SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry From nobody Tue Jun 9 05:22:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5D03A0928 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:22:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T5Cx7lKsLh_H for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 501AF3A09DE for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id z1so17383620qtn.2 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:22:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Qqrh92mS62U0LExn6srTKHKvL8Yg4lQVlBJSA8+DyKk=; b=uxKpUOCjUsA2XCndOeVW8/SGiH7f3ZxJaWtUEripPnW1t3BkLZjiOjnQ+cgiB3/K9L aWoVMW2AAT953QWYXDEkF1wYCBHT2xAAvihEP4sBu53jOagKiMXcQnI+pwH7ElLn478R /Sjbg39w+D7evRKkiwvSRI6iT4Hxag6Aclbw1g2jbNH73q36RHocFBk4oU1vR5j52OIF qUNjbMH21I15aXcUjR8jHzAKlShu0RYexbblrZG7tHNSYIYHWKEUhlW3CbZtttiAzQAa OHNO8NQ9r/4dFh9FUyPL6BTXvZjfIJCxONeelZMUEoTBSybZTeqcTQdnQjDP/UXaSHI8 j1Kw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Qqrh92mS62U0LExn6srTKHKvL8Yg4lQVlBJSA8+DyKk=; b=IatAPlGqBOpYHnbPwHAA3kRYMmSxKuk4iumStGuNb117viTjc0MbWPbAc5LOzZn4bv UXRzv2qXu8Kv6C52/bfsIZUmpdX24MWT3Ab/SApi9dT7nFW1hDRXevWd7PwKYvPM+j6+ B7KMgXjK0ENpeCO6XbQcLdZ/tEK+lSg/Ew5UlSSbXUmISDAa1O88hCcdKvVvnVK1aiF6 GLGL84xrQ8X1YA2RmaGee+2K+DZ0UmbFLcVcrUON3p4xt1qewGEbzr7nJcf0u5DWWepX 40uQOsyf9t1xE0bpN99T9BN8ZQtQ7VWfiIqi7qslEbN+RQ8+nLKUd9a9hGlAVX4g1A+w tX3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532//QOA4l8zNiW5KphWN0OgkySVaED0NIQ/PRHSrXQS2lcHSasa gkokhQMgNakXx7GSrVC1mRMUR8IglNx/5gsvLUQQpA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxb+i3LU0ni95FCVOezhRpwxoeCCu5arNFUJaqQdtX1JGsknDifcDO5ZsYmPya9uYtitBmDEKdSwT93Nx2iNWc= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1c29:: with SMTP id a38mr28429157qtk.52.1591705323275; Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:22:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202005251539.04PFd03X096978@svl-junos-d082.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: From: Jen Linkova Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 22:21:51 +1000 Message-ID: To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: Ron Bonica , "v6ops@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Working Group Last Call draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:22:31 -0000 Hi Mikael, Thanks for your review, I've just submitted -02 with your comments addressed. See below. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:52 AM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > 3.4 > > "o Some wireless devices are known to fiddle with ND packets and > perform various non-obvious forms of ND proxy actions. In some > cases RSes might not even reach the routers." > > "fiddle" might not be a great term to use here, as it seems to have > multiple meanings according to Merriam Webster? Replaced with 'alter' as per Owen's suggestion. > Then the security consideration section pointed to draft-ietf-6man-grand > (or actually it didn't, it pointed to linkova-6man-grand which then > pointed to draft-ietf-6man-grand), so I ended up reading that one as well. References updated, thanks! > These documents seem to belong together. I tried going back in 6man as > well and couldn't find much discussion on how these two documents are > supposed to be handled as a pair somehow? IMHO they shall be published as a cluster. I agree that having two documents is a bit confusing. The story is: - the WG agreed that this document shall belong to v6ops@ as it contains the operational problem statement. - the solution doc belongs to 6man as it modifies RFC4861. I have no issues merging both of them into 6man doc but my impression is the working group suggested to keep the operational doc separate. Fred, Ron - is my recollection correct? >If this nd-cache-init is an > operational document referencing 6man-grand and talking about this from an > operational POV, then perhaps this should be stated in the introduction? I've added a sentence to the Introduction section. > Commenting on both of them, I'd like to see some kind of text indicating > that SAVI (RFC7039) RFCs had been taken into account and if anything > specified in there might cause problems with the proposed approach in > nd-cache-init and -grand. Good point. I remember you did mention it before, sorry for not addressing it. I've added a sentence to section 2.2 and will add more details to the 6man document, as it's a better place to discuss interoperability with SAVI. > But to sum up, I think the problem space these drafts are tackling is > worth improving, and I support this work progressing. Thanks! -- SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry From nobody Tue Jun 9 05:24:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6CB3A0855 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:24:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n-fXOE3BaIks for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x833.google.com (mail-qt1-x833.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::833]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2B7A3A0876 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x833.google.com with SMTP id k22so17350817qtm.6 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:23:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yEgI2y4MoTrCosnTgs9kTny3Kgf9fMSm69odcHtd/oM=; b=uWLHbIKfCQDO/QaGa/2G3bkyiqwakwLQpgRyRCYHaUe0Ck2kW1PTHirjoaq5E6ln/a bSsFqorqwemX4m7yiKP8UOddWhmmldmfs003O2Cj7ZPgYZjueECjDrhP5R+7KCpGiXvl Ep/QIyCl7u2ktBj7+bwN+2VrvubV4Hds2LbfWXYrFqU09XUEk8+hN2pMQhpUU30otpiL 9BE/iz1cHTqePVQ3JQS0ISK0ua9uxG/zMp4EaPFXsaEC0SmGCbSRRzqOwV+z7YCuoxFj VZXhBhNud8HqTdO+KuFUNPgDE35wIgEnSoWk3yBvoOw/JFEfGq4Mqgp846Dv/D1xKNW6 Lgnw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yEgI2y4MoTrCosnTgs9kTny3Kgf9fMSm69odcHtd/oM=; b=dSiQ/fgIWF0HJeO76uOSci0I6ovOcVYgYjBwDq9A3U4I9JofkOeAsWhfkkXpqeLqGw j9cEr6yXAzKT8Kce6l4OMScPoTcIaSl1li1GbOKZf0ww7w/JmdPRRodTJCd1gqFHkwCc t9Yx34CxqO+qBwJkDSBCfFG4519dB+Oim83PHf8wvUU4k2rrgIonpplci78FNp+5iKj9 JGplzSihS26HNukrXSuCPTAXwKdEvyLng33e76S2mbi8a+lMbfZ+8+jypSWGSTCKbvSu Hy/mHXi+N4L+WE6H91nm/jaD06uaU0SrgkoTWbIg5F4H9GjywtfF1ouQz+1btkprryEl B4wQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530TVh45lqVKBF/Th6Isoc7F8tJBvXrV987rbwK8Ibq7y4DjUEQa FUKAmx97MS2wQtloXtJonW9Ng5Dpha3qFaLRMdLaGA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxP2qMAXgns7dLAYf3Nb6SaOKLebEaxZCaX0bKVfH3y4uzNgRkw6ZHKtk5bY5wV8Jwspduo6X6CaeAzmBE6Cjg= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4e50:: with SMTP id e16mr28567141qtw.149.1591705432614; Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:23:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202005251539.04PFd03X096978@svl-junos-d082.juniper.net> In-Reply-To: From: Jen Linkova Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 22:23:41 +1000 Message-ID: To: Owen DeLong Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson , Ron Bonica , "v6ops@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Working Group Last Call draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:24:20 -0000 On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > "o Some wireless devices are known to fiddle with ND packets and > > perform various non-obvious forms of ND proxy actions. In some > > cases RSes might not even reach the routers." > > > > "fiddle" might not be a great term to use here, as it seems to have mul= tiple meanings according to Merriam Webster? > Perhaps instead of =E2=80=9Cfiddle with=E2=80=9D we could use the more te= chnical term =E2=80=9Calter=E2=80=9D The text has been fiddl...sorry, altered in -02 ;) --=20 SY, Jen Linkova aka Furry From nobody Tue Jun 9 05:55:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B890D3A08CC for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=swm.pp.se Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AHQN_voasjK0 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplift.swm.pp.se (ipv6.swm.pp.se [IPv6:2a00:801::f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 595203A08CD for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 05:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix, from userid 501) id EF442B2; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 14:55:28 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=swm.pp.se; s=mail; t=1591707328; bh=AdiV9dleIXiSHtO7xNgBQYRcJUos1n7b1Ckbe4Jr0HE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=s42QtA8BZP17EI7X67fShep1yVceub/zBgKUI4YsgoCfYyVK7YIFThJok/F/ZP+Oq A93h/ZywfXLxeBAnAw2Lh8vbY4JzlycdzmWs0+2phAg27adgRBn1k1+OQVPTYle2/i 1/EdHhoEXjAiyANbTGdpAM+nU0LvNiQND5C7KWjU= Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.swm.pp.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5B4B1 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 14:55:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 14:55:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Mikael Abrahamsson To: "v6ops@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) Organization: People's Front Against WWW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Call for Discussion draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:55:36 -0000 On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Ron Bonica wrote: > Folks, > > > > Each week between now and IETF week, we will review and discuss one draft with an eye towards progressing it. > > > > This week, please review and comment on draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only. I think it would be good if we could come up with some terms that cause less confusion when discussing different solutions. So this draft has an embryo for that, but I think it would be good if there were some examples. So let's say I want to describe a mobile access with IPv6 only WAN that supports 464xlat? What is that then? "dual stack LAN with transitional 464xlat-enabled router with IPv6 only WAN and NAT64 function in the network"? That's still long and cumbersome...? -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se From nobody Tue Jun 9 06:55:39 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B933A0953 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 06:55:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=consulintel.es Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xzC9CHGUG8dz for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 06:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.consulintel.es (mail.consulintel.es [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:495::5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736123A094E for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 06:55:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=consulintel.es; s=MDaemon; t=1591710934; x=1592315734; i=jordi.palet@consulintel.es; q=dns/txt; h=User-Agent:Date: Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:References:In-Reply-To: Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding; bh=0klFH9ji IEaVcJYuSVfh+gAIEHaoG4cK6Ruw4tRVe5Q=; b=Hq6yHDCaQfpJgW3diYhti5HQ nTUrW/FRD9Fz2FR+P5ctpVAmP59k4U2v0AHAU34B3KAu5dNnd23OXh0WhlQvYK2z i11+L7NsHpg3fMH1xPhNnx7+oJiifBM9FWw3RSZu6gi9klOGPXDj/+pciDU3H/kJ b78eF085wo5dYc5i9vw= X-MDAV-Result: clean X-MDAV-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:55:34 +0200 X-Spam-Processed: mail.consulintel.es, Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:55:34 +0200 Received: from [10.10.10.144] by mail.consulintel.es (MDaemon PRO v16.5.2) with ESMTPA id md50000206847.msg for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:55:32 +0200 X-MDRemoteIP: 2001:470:1f09:495:793a:609c:a43c:9e74 X-MDHelo: [10.10.10.144] X-MDArrival-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:55:32 +0200 X-Authenticated-Sender: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Return-Path: prvs=1429d4c227=jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-Envelope-From: jordi.palet@consulintel.es X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: v6ops@ietf.org User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/16.37.20051002 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 15:55:31 +0200 From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ To: "v6ops@ietf.org" Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [v6ops] Call for Discussion draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only References: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Call for Discussion draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 13:55:38 -0000 Hi Mikael, In my opinion, your example, has several parts. If we want to talk about "all", should be sufficient to say "this is a 464X= LAT" case. I think this is out of the scope of the document, because 464XLA= T itself is very well self-contained/described. The point is if you want to talk about the WAN link itself. In your example= case it is clearly an IPv6-only WAN. If you want to talk about the UE, actually "today OSs" are native dual-stac= k, however, in this network it is being used as a transitional IPv6 host/ro= uter. The full point of the document is that if we talk about an specific transit= ion mechanism, everything is very clear (unless the network is doing a "spe= cial" deployment different from the standard), however, in many occasions i= t is very relevant to make sure if the WAN links (for example) are *nativel= y* transporting IPv6-only. That said, I'm of course happy to add a few examples. Not sure if that shou= ld be an annex or in the main text already. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet =20 =20 =EF=BB=BFEl 9/6/20 14:56, "v6ops en nombre de Mikael Abrahamsson" escribi=C3= =B3: On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Ron Bonica wrote: > Folks, > > > > Each week between now and IETF week, we will review and discuss one d= raft with an eye towards progressing it. > > > > This week, please review and comment on draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only. I think it would be good if we could come up with some terms that cause= =20 less confusion when discussing different solutions. So this draft has a= n=20 embryo for that, but I think it would be good if there were some exampl= es. So let's say I want to describe a mobile access with IPv6 only WAN that= =20 supports 464xlat? What is that then? "dual stack LAN with transitional= =20 464xlat-enabled router with IPv6 only WAN and NAT64 function in the=20 network"? That's still long and cumbersome...? --=20 Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se _______________________________________________ v6ops mailing list v6ops@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or con= fidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the i= ndividual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, = copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if p= artially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be cons= idered a criminal offense. 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From nobody Tue Jun 9 13:22:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: v6ops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB413A0855 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 13:22:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68F051JULYER for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 13:22:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tools.si6networks.com (v6toolkit.go6lab.si [91.239.96.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 088383A08C1 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 13:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2800:810:464:1f7:d11c:c784:f994:a8b9] (unknown [IPv6:2800:810:464:1f7:d11c:c784:f994:a8b9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tools.si6networks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27A103FF81; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 22:21:55 +0200 (CEST) To: Jen Linkova Cc: Jen Linkova , Ron Bonica , "v6ops@ietf.org" References: <202005251539.04PFd03X096978@svl-junos-d082.juniper.net> <62458b61-9ba3-0ec2-eea9-58db0782b03f@gont.com.ar> From: Fernando Gont Message-ID: <41de0704-1bcc-fc77-9a84-2da91d1bcff8@gont.com.ar> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 17:21:49 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Working Group Last Call draft-ietf-v6ops-nd-cache-init X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 20:22:08 -0000 Hello, Jen, On 9/6/20 09:21, Jen Linkova wrote: > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 7:05 PM Fernando Gont wrote: >> I support publication of this document. Bellow you'll find my review: > > Thanks for your review and comments Fernando! > I've just submitted -02 which shall address your comments. Thanks! >> * Section 3.4: >>> >>> o If the address is in the Optimistic state the RS can not contain >>> SLLAO. As a result the router would only create a cache entry if >>> the solicited RAs is sent as as a unicast. Routers sending >>> solicited RAs as multicast would not create a new cache entry as >>> they do not need to send a unicast packet back to the host. >> >> Of the top of my head, I'm not sure if an RA sent to a multicast address >> can be a "solicited RA" (as in "having the 'solicited' flag set). Please >> double-check. > > There is no such thing as a 'solicited' flag in RA. I have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote this :-) -- sleep disorder might be a plausible explanation :-)) >> * Section 3: >> >> Thinking out loud: One might move this section (and subsections) to an >> Appendix? > > IMHO, as some of those options are implemented by some vendors, so I > believe it makes sense to discuss them. I would suggest that you note this at the beginning of this section (even if it's just a general comment like the one above ("some of these options are implemented by some vendors.."). That would signal folks that they might expect to see some of this in the wild. -- Otherwise (like myself), they might assume that these are just potential solutions that you evaluated and then discarded. FWIW, if you decide to apply this "change", feel free to schedule it for the next rev (i.e., this is not a show stopper, and you don't need a rev just for this). Thanks! P.S.: Not sure what's the necessary magic for this to happen, but, if possible (i.e., assuming that both docs are progressed smoothly and timely), I'd suggest that this doc is put in a cluster with the companion 6man document, such that both reference each other's RFC versions when published. 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[209.85.166.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v87sm1421231ili.2.2020.06.10.02.49.50 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 02:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-f172.google.com with SMTP id p5so1275541ile.6 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 02:49:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a92:5f13:: with SMTP id t19mr2186295ilb.296.1591782590572; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 02:49:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE190121EC@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE190121EC@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: Richard Patterson Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:49:38 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)" Cc: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ , "v6ops@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="000000000000df31cd05a7b7c3dd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [v6ops] Call for Discussion draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:50:30 -0000 --000000000000df31cd05a7b7c3dd Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000df31cc05a7b7c3dc" --000000000000df31cc05a7b7c3dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On comment 1, from a CPE router perspective it's the WAN interface that's facing the Access Node, i.e., an OLT or DSLAM. With that in-mind I think the existing wording for this point is correct. Perhaps "access network" can become "Access Network"? On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:50, Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) < pengshuping@huawei.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I have reviewed this draft. It is always good to clarify some confusing > terminology. > > > > Some comments: > > 1. Shall we put Access together with LAN instead of with WAN? > > 2. Do we want to include IPv6-only Data Center? > > 3. A typo on Page 3?: =E2=80=9CAlso if customer devices in a LAN are > IPv6-only (A typo? -> IPv4-only), they will not be able to access IPv6-on= ly > services, so this means that IPv6-only services can't be deployed unless = it > is done in such way that some transition mechanism =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D > > 4. Do we want to provide a reference [RFC8585] for > "IPv4-as-a-service"? > > > > I would also agree that an example(s) or illustrative diagram(s) might be > helpful, and I gave an attempt. This would be a typical diagram for users > to access to data center. > > I tried to include all the terms defined in this draft, and also IPv6-onl= y > Data Center. I put LAN and Access together as well. > > > > Best regards, > > Shuping > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET > MARTINEZ > Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:56 PM > To: v6ops@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [v6ops] Call for Discussion draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only > > > > Hi Mikael, > > > > In my opinion, your example, has several parts. > > > > If we want to talk about "all", should be sufficient to say "this is a > 464XLAT" case. I think this is out of the scope of the document, because > 464XLAT itself is very well self-contained/described. > > > > The point is if you want to talk about the WAN link itself. In your > example case it is clearly an IPv6-only WAN. > > > > If you want to talk about the UE, actually "today OSs" are native > dual-stack, however, in this network it is being used as a transitional > IPv6 host/router. > > > > The full point of the document is that if we talk about an specific > transition mechanism, everything is very clear (unless the network is doi= ng > a "special" deployment different from the standard), however, in many > occasions it is very relevant to make sure if the WAN links (for example) > are *natively* transporting IPv6-only. > > > > That said, I'm of course happy to add a few examples. Not sure if that > should be an annex or in the main text already. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFEl 9/6/20 14:56, "v6ops en nombre de Mikael Abrahamsson" en nombre de swmike=3D40swm.pp.se@dmarc.ietf.org > > > escribi=C3=B3: > > > > On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Ron Bonica wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Each week between now and IETF week, we will review and discuss one > draft with an eye towards progressing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > This week, please review and comment on draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only= . > > > > I think it would be good if we could come up with some terms that > cause > > less confusion when discussing different solutions. So this draft has > an > > embryo for that, but I think it would be good if there were some > examples. > > > > So let's say I want to describe a mobile access with IPv6 only WAN > that > > supports 464xlat? What is that then? "dual stack LAN with transitiona= l > > 464xlat-enabled router with IPv6 only WAN and NAT64 function in the > > network"? > > > > That's still long and cumbersome...? > > > > -- > > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > > > _______________________________________________ > > v6ops mailing list > > v6ops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/v6ops > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > IPv4 is over > > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > > http://www.theipv6company.com > > The IPv6 Company > > > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of > the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly > prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. 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On comment 1, from a CPE router perspective it's the W= AN interface that's facing the Access Node, i.e., an OLT or DSLAM.=C2= =A0
With that in-mind I think the existing wording for this point is co= rrect.=C2=A0 Perhaps "access network" can become "Access Net= work"?


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([2600:8802:5800:652::1004]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t2sm678780pgh.89.2020.06.10.15.01.14 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker X-Google-Original-From: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21660A81-76A2-4E02-AD62-C16DE963FFE0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:01:13 -0700 Message-Id: <2F36E15D-AE39-48BA-86AA-C33607B57035@gmail.com> References: <90F43A4B-9A1E-480A-B7BF-75A93842C261@att.com> To: IPv6 Operations X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17G5035d) Archived-At: Subject: [v6ops] Fwd: Nomcom 2020-2021 Second Call For Volunteers X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:01:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail-21660A81-76A2-4E02-AD62-C16DE963FFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks: the nomcom chair asked that you volunteer to serve on the nomcom. I w= ould ask that, and ask that you also be willing to serve in management roles= in the IETF. If there=E2=80=99s something you wish were different, it would= be your chance to change it. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: >> From: NomCom Chair 2020 >> Date: June 10, 2020 at 1:55:21 PM CDT >> To: IETF Announcement List >> Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" >> Subject: Nomcom 2020-2021 Second Call For Volunteers >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFThis is the second sending of the call for volunteers for the 20= 20-2021 NomCom. >>=20 >> I wanted to mention a few updates from the previous email (sent 2 weeks a= go): >> - I've fixed the URL at the bottom of the email to point to https://urlde= fense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_nomcom_2020_&= d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqC= xjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij0nEdsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtc= aHLatD34&e=3D instead of /2019/. This was a test to see if anyone was payin= g attention. Apparently, some people were. ;) >> - The IETF 108 registration form includes a checkbox that will let you vo= lunteer. You can use this instead of emailing me, when you register for IETF= 108. >> - I currently have 39 volunteers. Last year had 149. I need more voluntee= rs! >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- >> The IETF NomCom appoints people to fill the open slots on the LLC, IETF T= rust, the IAB, and the IESG. >>=20 >> Ten voting members for the NomCom are selected in a verifiably random way= from a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we have o= f choosing a random yet representative cross section of the IETF population.= >>=20 >> The details of the operation of the NomCom can be found in BCP 10 (RFC 87= 13). RFC 3797 details the selection algorithm. >>=20 >> Special for this year (and only this year), we also have RFC 8788 (one-of= f update to RFC 8713 / BCP 10) to tell us who is eligible to volunteer: >>=20 >> Members of the IETF community must have attended at least three of >> the last five in-person IETF meetings in order to volunteer. >>=20 >> The five meetings are the five most recent in-person meetings that >> ended prior to the date on which the solicitation for NomCom >> volunteers was submitted for distribution to the IETF community. >> Because no IETF 107 in-person meeting was held, for the 2020-2021 >> Nominating Committee those five meetings are IETFs >> 102 [Montreal, Canada; July 2018], >> 103 [Bangkok, Thailand; November 2018], >> 104 [Prague, Czech Republic; March 2019], >> 105 [Montreal, Canada; July 2019], and=20 >> 106 [Singapore; November 2019]. >>=20 >> Keep in mind that eligibility is based on in-person attendance at the fiv= e listed meetings. You can check your eligibility at: https://urldefense.pro= ofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_registration_nomcom.py&d=3DDwI= DaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYY= DNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3D7_9x9PPoUIajJs2AnUFYg0KnEg8gkD3Jnwf1v079EQ= o&e=3D . >>=20 >> If you qualify, please volunteer. Before you decide to volunteer, please r= emember that anyone appointed to this NomCom will not be considered as a can= didate for any of the positions that the 2020 - 2021 NomCom is responsible f= or filling. >>=20 >> People commonly volunteer by ticking the box on IETF registration forms. T= he IETF 106 form did not ask whether people were willing to volunteer. IETF 1= 07 did ask, but all those registrations were canceled. I have asked the Secr= etariat if it is possible to get the list if volunteers from canceled IETF 1= 07 registrations. If that list is available, I will contact all who are veri= fied as eligible. But given the uncertainty of this process, I would encoura= ge people to volunteer directly (see the bottom of this email for instructio= ns). Thank you for volunteering! >>=20 >> The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2021 IETF mee= ting, and thus the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, are >>=20 >> IETF Trust: >> Joel Halpern >>=20 >> LLC: >> Maja Andjelkovic >>=20 >> IAB: >> Jari Arkko >> Jeff Tantsura >> Mark Nottingham >> Stephen Farrell >> Wes Hardaker >> Zhenbin Li >>=20 >> IESG: >> Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair/GEN AD >> Alvaro Retana, RTG AD >> Barry Leiba, ART AD >> Deborah Brungard, RTG AD >> =C3=89ric Vyncke, INT AD >> Magnus Westerlund, TSV AD >> Roman Danyliw, SEC AD >> Warren Kumari, OPS AD >>=20 >> All appointments are for 2 years. The Routing area has 3 ADs and the Gene= ral area has 1; all other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas (that have more t= han one AD) have at least one continuing AD. >>=20 >> The primary activity for this NomCom will begin in July 2020 and should b= e completed in January 2021. The NomCom will have regularly scheduled confe= rence calls to ensure progress. There will be activities to collect requirem= ents from the community, review candidate questionnaires, review feedback fr= om community members about candidates, and talk to candidates. >>=20 >> While being a NomCom member does require some time commitment it is also a= very rewarding experience. >>=20 >> As a member of the NomCom it is very important that you be willing and ab= le to attend either videoconference or in-person meetings (which may not hap= pen) during 14-20 November (IETF 109 - Bangkok) to conduct interviews. Video= conference attendance will be supported whether or not there are in-person m= eetings. Orientation and setting of the NomCom schedule will be done by vide= oconference during the week 20-24 July (exact time and date to be determined= after NomCom membership is finalized on July 12), the week prior to IETF 10= 8. Being at IETF 110 (Prague) is not essential. >>=20 >> Please volunteer by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC June 24, 2020, a= s follows: >>=20 >> To: nomcom-chair-2020@ietf.org >> Subject: NomCom 2020-21 Volunteer >>=20 >> Please include the following information in the email body: >>=20 >> Your Full Name:=20 >> // as you write it on the IETF registration form >>=20 >> Current Primary Affiliation: >> // Typically what goes in the Company field >> // in the IETF Registration Form >>=20 >> Emails:=20 >> // All email addresses used to register for the past 5 IETF meetings >> // Preferred email address first >>=20 >> Telephone:=20 >> // For confirmation if selected >>=20 >> You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days statin= g whether or not you are qualified. If you don't receive this response, ple= ase re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to the subject line. >>=20 >> If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please consider t= hat NomCom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership of t= he IETF. Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for the NomC= om is a great way to contribute to the IETF! >>=20 >> You can find a detailed timeline on the NomCom web site at: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.iet= f.org_nomcom_2020_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8T= q4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij0nEdsFcb= JOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e=3D=20 >>=20 >> I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as details= of the randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection process, with= in the next few weeks. >>=20 >> Thank you! >>=20 >> Barbara Stark >> bs7652 at att dot com >> nomcom-chair-2020 at ietf dot org >>=20 --Apple-Mail-21660A81-76A2-4E02-AD62-C16DE963FFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks: the nomcom chair asked that you volu= nteer to serve on the nomcom. I would ask that, and ask that you also be wil= ling to serve in management roles in the IETF. If there=E2=80=99s something y= ou wish were different, it would be your chance to change it.

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded messag= e:

From: NomCom Chair 2020 <nomcom-chair-2020@ietf.o= rg>
Date: June 10, 2020 at 1:55:21 PM CDT
To: IETF Announcement List <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
Subject: Nomcom 2020-2021 Second Call For Volunteers

=EF=BB=BFThis is the second sending of the call for v= olunteers for the 2020-2021 NomCom.

I wanted to mention a few updates from the previous email (sent 2 week= s ago):
- I've fixed the URL at the bottom of the email to point to https://ur= ldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_nomcom_202= 0_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vr= fog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij0nEd= sFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e=3D  instead of /2019/. This was a test to see if anyone was paying attent= ion. Apparently, some people were. ;)
- The IETF 108 registration form includes a checkbox that will let you= volunteer. You can use this instead of emailing me, when you register for I= ETF 108.
- I currently have 39 volunteers. Last year had 149. I need more volun= teers!
----------------------------------------------------------------------= -----------
The IETF NomCom appoints people to fill the open slots on the LLC, IET= F Trust, the IAB, and the IESG.

Ten voting members for the NomCom are selected in a verifiably random w= ay from a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we have= of choosing a random yet representative cross section of the IETF populatio= n.

The details of the operation of the NomCom can be found in BCP 10 (RFC= 8713). RFC 3797 details the selection algorithm.

Special for this year (and only this year), we also have RFC 8788 (one= -off update to RFC 8713 / BCP 10) to tell us who is eligible to volunteer:

     Members of the IETF community must have a= ttended at least three of
     the last five in-person IETF meetings in= order to volunteer.

     The five meetings are the five most rece= nt in-person meetings that
     ended prior to the date on which the sol= icitation for NomCom
     volunteers was submitted for distributio= n to the IETF community.
     Because no IETF 107 in-person meeting wa= s held, for the 2020-2021
     Nominating Committee those five meetings= are IETFs
       102 [Montreal, Canada; July 2= 018],
       103 [Bangkok, Thailand; Nove= mber 2018],
       104 [Prague, Czech Republic;= March 2019],
       105 [Montreal, Canada; July 2= 019], and
       106 [Singapore; November 201= 9].

Keep in mind that eligibility is based on in-person attendance at the f= ive listed meetings. You can check your eligibility at: https://urldefense.p= roofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_registration_nomcom.py&d= =3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&= m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wBJtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3D7_9x9PPoUIajJs2AnUFY= g0KnEg8gkD3Jnwf1v079EQo&e=3D .

If you qualify, please volunteer. Before you decide to volunteer, plea= se remember that anyone appointed to this NomCom will not be considered as a= candidate for any of the positions that the 2020 - 2021 NomCom is responsib= le for filling.

People commonly volunteer by ticking the box on IETF registration form= s. The IETF 106 form did not ask whether people were willing to volunteer. I= ETF 107 did ask, but all those registrations were canceled. I have asked the= Secretariat if it is possible to get the list if volunteers from canceled IETF 107 registrations. If that= list is available, I will contact all who are verified as eligible. But giv= en the uncertainty of this process, I would encourage people to volunteer di= rectly (see the bottom of this email for instructions). Thank you for volunteering!

The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2021 IETF m= eeting, and thus the positions for which this NomCom is responsible, are

IETF Trust:
   Joel Halpern

LLC:
   Maja Andjelkovic

IAB:
   Jari Arkko
   Jeff Tantsura
   Mark Nottingham
   Stephen Farrell
   Wes Hardaker
   Zhenbin Li

IESG:
   Alissa Cooper, IETF Chair/GEN AD
   Alvaro Retana, RTG AD
   Barry Leiba, ART AD
   Deborah Brungard, RTG AD
   =C3=89ric Vyncke, INT AD
   Magnus Westerlund, TSV AD
   Roman Danyliw, SEC AD
   Warren Kumari, OPS AD

All appointments are for 2 years. The Routing area has 3 ADs and the G= eneral area has 1; all other areas have 2 ADs. Thus, all areas (that have mo= re than one AD) have at least one continuing AD.

The primary activity for this NomCom will begin in July 2020 and shoul= d be completed in January 2021.  The NomCom will have regularly schedul= ed conference calls to ensure progress. There will be activities to collect r= equirements from the community, review candidate questionnaires, review feedback from community members about cand= idates, and talk to candidates.

While being a NomCom member does require some time commitment it is al= so a very rewarding experience.

As a member of the NomCom it is very important that you be willing and= able to attend either videoconference or in-person meetings (which may not h= appen) during 14-20 November (IETF 109 - Bangkok) to conduct interviews. Vid= eoconference attendance will be supported whether or not there are in-person meetings. Orientation and s= etting of the NomCom schedule will be done by videoconference during the wee= k 20-24 July (exact time and date to be determined after NomCom membership i= s finalized on July 12), the week prior to IETF 108.  Being at IETF 110 (Prague) is not essential.<= /span>

Please volunteer by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC June 24, 2020= , as follows:

To: nomcom-chair-2020@ietf.org
Subject: NomCom 2020-21 Volunteer

Please include the following information in the email body:
=
Your Full Name:
   // as you write it on the IETF registration form

Current Primary Affiliation:
   // Typically what goes in the Company field    // in the IETF Registration Form

Emails:
  // All email addresses used to register for the past 5 IET= F meetings
  // Preferred email address first

Telephone:
   // For confirmation if selected

You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days sta= ting whether or not you are qualified.  If you don't receive this respo= nse, please re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to the subject l= ine.

If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please conside= r that NomCom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership o= f the IETF.  Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for t= he NomCom is a great way to contribute to the IETF!

You can find a detailed timeline on the NomCom web site at:
=    https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3= A__datatracker.ietf.org_nomcom_2020_&d=3DDwIDaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQ= icvjIg&r=3DLoGzhC-8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=3DZsNIRqCxjDeOYYDNalOSHcuwQG23wB= JtxzmEnsbPBtI&s=3DNgIu-7Ij0nEdsFcbJOLcl2M56RxyREhLAtcaHLatD34&e=3D

I will be publishing a more detailed target timetable, as well as deta= ils of the randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797 selection process, w= ithin the next few weeks.

Thank you!

Barbara Stark
bs7652 at att dot com
nomcom-chair-2020 at ietf dot org

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([2600:8802:5800:652::1015]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f23sm6015515pja.8.2020.06.19.17.22.53 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_79A88441-C714-4235-814D-44335E891F82"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-Id: <407E40E4-DC1F-4D92-8626-6E49F3359ABD@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 17:22:52 -0700 Cc: Warren Kumari , ietf-secretariat@ietf.org To: IPv6 Operations X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: [v6ops] V6ops Interim X-BeenThere: v6ops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: v6ops discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 00:22:56 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_79A88441-C714-4235-814D-44335E891F82 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8D3F3456-D4F0-4AC3-87B6-5C829C195C49" --Apple-Mail=_8D3F3456-D4F0-4AC3-87B6-5C829C195C49 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Announcing a v6ops Interim Meeting to occur on July 23. Apologies on = the timing; it should be OK for Africa, Western Asia, European, and = North and South Americans, but I can't make them happy with me and = simultaneously please people in Eastern Asia or ANZ. The agenda is essentially to - let Ben Kyemba discuss IPv6 deployment in the RENU otherwise-IPv4 = network discuss deployment and challenges - let Jen Linkova discuss Google IPv6-only conversion strategy and = status I have at least one other talk I'd like to have, but I have not been = successful in establishing email contact with the speaker. I'm also = willing to consider posted internet drafts that have supportive = conversation on the email list. Contact v6ops-chairs@ietf.org with = pointers to the draft and the email thread. 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Cheers, Fernando -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 16:35:27 -0700 From: Bob Hinden To: IPv6 List CC: Bob Hinden This message starts a two week 6MAN call on adopting: Title: Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events Authors: F. Gont, J. Zorz, R. Patterson File Name: draft-gont-6man-slaac-renum-08 Document date: 2020-05-18 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gont-6man-slaac-renum as a working group item. Substantive comments and statements of support for adopting this document should be directed to the mailing list. Editorial suggestions can be sent to the authors. This adoption call will end on 10 July 2020. There has been a lot of discussion on this draft, the chairs have some concerns with this document being adopted, but wanted the w.g. to express its opinion. Our concerns include: This document proposes significant changes to SLAAC to fix what could be seen as an implementation problem in some edge routers. This will affect all IPv6 nodes, not only the ones communicating with these edge routers. This part of IPv6 is a mature standard. It is not clear we should modify all IPv6 hosts to deal with one corner case that may break other things allowed by the standard. The changes proposed will make SLAAC more active, the changes include: o Reducing the default Valid Lifetime and Preferred Lifetime of PIOs o Caps the received Valid Lifetime and Preferred Lifetime of PIOs. o Frequent retransmission of configuration information o Routers send all options in RA messages Some additional questions for the w.g. to consider: o Are there better approaches to address the underlying issue? o Do the proposed changes work in all deployments? o Are some proposed changes worth advancing even if the entirety may not be? If so, which ones? We would like the w.g. to consider and comment on these issues when responding to this adoption call. Bob & Ole 6man co-chairs
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 at 09:50, Pengshuping (= Peng Shuping) <pengshuping@hua= wei.com> wrote:

= Hi,

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= I have reviewed this draft. It is always good to clarify some confusing ter= minology.

= =C2=A0

= Some comments:

1.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Shall we put Access togeth= er with LAN instead of with WAN?

2.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do we want to include IPv6= -only Data Center?

3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A typo on Page 3?: = =E2=80= =9CAlso if customer devices in a LAN are IPv6-o= nly (A typo? -> IPv4-only), they will not be able to access IPv6-only services, so this means that IPv6-only services can't be dep= loyed unless it is done in such way that some transition mechanism = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D

4.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do we want to provide a re= ference [RFC8585] for "IPv4-as-a-service"?

= =C2=A0

= I would also agree that an example(s) or illustrative diagram(s) might be h= elpful, and I gave an attempt. This would be a typical diagram for users to= access to data center.

= I tried to include all the terms defined in this draft, and also IPv6-only = Data Center. I put LAN and Access together as well.

= =C2=A0

=

=

= Best regards,

= Shuping

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= -----Original Message-----
From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 9:56 PM
To: v6ops@ietf.org<= br> Subject: Re: [v6ops] Call for Discussion draft-palet-v6ops-ipv6-only=

= =C2=A0

= Hi Mikael,

= =C2=A0

= In my opinion, your example, has several parts.

= =C2=A0

= If we want to talk about "all", should be sufficient to say "= ;this is a 464XLAT" case. I think this is out of the scope of the docu= ment, because 464XLAT itself is very well self-contained/described.<= u>

= =C2=A0

= The point is if you want to talk about the WAN link itself. In your example= case it is clearly an IPv6-only WAN.

= =C2=A0

= If you want to talk about the UE, actually "today OSs" are native= dual-stack, however, in this network it is being used as a transitional IP= v6 host/router.

= =C2=A0

= The full point of the document is that if we talk about an specific transit= ion mechanism, everything is very clear (unless the network is doing a &quo= t;special" deployment different from the standard), however, in many occasions it is very relevant to make sure if the WAN links (for example) = are *natively* transporting IPv6-only.

= =C2=A0

= That said, I'm of course happy to add a few examples. Not sure if that = should be an annex or in the main text already.

= =C2=A0

= Regards,

= Jordi

= @jordipalet

=

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= =C2=A0

=EF=BB=BFEl 9/6/20 14:56, "v6ops en nombre de Mikael Abrahamsson" <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org en nombre de swmike=3D40swm.pp.se@dmarc.ietf.org> escribi=C3= =B3:

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On Mon, 8 Jun 2020, Ron Bonica wrote:

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= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Folks,

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Each week between now and IETF week, we will review= and discuss one draft with an eye towards progressing it.

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > This week, please review and comment on draft-palet= -v6ops-ipv6-only.

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I think it would be good if we could come up with some t= erms that cause

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0less confusion when discussing different solutions.= So this draft has an

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0embryo for that, but I think it would be good if th= ere were some examples.

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So let's say I want to describe a mobile access with= IPv6 only WAN that

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0supports 464xlat? What is that then? "dual sta= ck LAN with transitional

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0464xlat-enabled router with IPv6 only WAN and NAT64= function in the

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0network"?

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That's still long and cumbersome...?

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 --

= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Mikael Abrahamsson=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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