From nobody Mon Jun 20 08:42:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4639312D1AE for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i8kXRvTQA1xY for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila2.tigertech.net (maila2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.152]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56E7012D1A6 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8DD240CC0 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:42:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=1.tigertech; t=1466437361; bh=FpfqKh5oCEX11tq0FCTS5OVoLVm2zTM/PqHxOzV/c2U=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=HzQZoz4QO5KSHDVooHeajk6DDaCijGKr1HjAgOHZDSmDenC6cRETKFTUE//QIpa8v lHWRZuKUCE8J2uGXgK7RpUJdeC3OKWFtcapnknOJPFF4DVivXhFTDkUM+43ih4WN/O 58NDsYus/CztzZb11J7kLj27wFt45n8zJ0hETndc= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at maila2.tigertech.net Received: from surfer-172-29-106-209-hotspot.internet-for-guests.com (unknown [62.214.2.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by maila2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B8A942406AB for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 08:42:40 -0700 (PDT) To: venue-selection@ietf.org From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: <8106871c-22c6-026e-24e2-7233f0945aa3@joelhalpern.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 11:42:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Buenos Aires - please do not repeat X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 15:42:42 -0000 Based on the many regulars who did not attend, I would recommend against repeating BA. Yours, Joel M. 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([2406:e007:6d3d:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q1sm52454921pfi.93.2016.06.20.15.42.23 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Jun 2016 15:42:24 -0700 (PDT) To: venue-selection@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <3990ddfd-adc5-d3d5-03ba-6297e0b2be36@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:42:26 +1200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Auckland X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 22:42:33 -0000 I have good reason to believe that a new proposal will appear for Auckland at some stage, given that construction of the new and significantly bigger convention centre is underway. If Sydney is on the list, Auckland should be too. (The proposal would come from InternetNZ like last time, I could give you a contact person but it's early days.) [I won't be answering your feedback poll because I have no recent experience with those locations, except Sydney which has no particular negatives.] Regards Brian Carpenter From nobody Mon Jun 20 21:19:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E6B12D8AD for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aWRMNoiAHKgK for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B72C12D17B for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bFDAB-0006eu-SX for venue-selection@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 04:19:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 06:19:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: venue-selection@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20160620153508.30147.95092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160620153508.30147.95092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC seeking input on possible IETF meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 04:19:50 -0000 > First, we would like to first confirm whether people perceive any > reasons we could not have a successful meeting in any of the > cities we have visited in the last 3 years the london venue was disgusting and made it hard to have a productive meeting. > Bangkok > Daejeon > Hong Kong > Macau > Madrid > Sydney macau is a bit tacky, but all these are viable. randy From nobody Mon Jun 20 22:42:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FB812D66B for ; 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charset=us-ascii On 2016-06-20, at 17:35, IAOC Chair wrote: > Bangkok > Daejeon > Hong Kong > Macau > Madrid > Sydney I have not been to Bangkok or Daejeon. Hong Kong worked *very* well for ACM SIGCOMM, and has been on my list of = cities to visit again. Macau mostly consists of Vegas-style casinos, which would make for an = odd meeting experience. I personally wouldn't care and the food is = great, but the Vegas thing may upset some. Madrid is good, too, but don't go in the summer - just too hot, and = hotels do have AC issues still. I'd *love* to go to Sydney! 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The city is periodically severely flooded. The city is periodically under lockdown due to political struggle Local water supply is not good. 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Its ideal for airport-city access and has many fine big hotels and eating choices and is well connected to data services worldwide From nobody Tue Jun 21 18:21:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C9812DAE2 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:21:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 94rY52CZc8F6 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x22f.google.com (mail-vk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE72C12DAE1 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id j2so43333416vkg.2 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0HHdqJbR68CU06YmnfxAYCl5V9v7NUYvtvVV0jVPGFw=; b=QEYpalZ5tq9el9M+Qhgigxrn2ntm/Spgq8Lakw9yBPSQeEP/kzLVP+xgzPJUqzR0/T gf0VNSWehHIOwYo1BUVKCFLS9PKMJIoFepWSLyCTQw+M7mlqf6bgN6fyZtjZwSElp35Q xx2ZbJIRb7o65FiqlZxiAv9KYC6CGFmJ+HU/ZeBGuXyS6Jmb2af7Svt+WubXMq3h4t3I GYlcOqSHjlnVRzrFRH6zb8tr8Bfw1kBC1S2rCpRipZj64nZqS0FyUgG6GjDtVtenS8GU hJ+Lzp/x2mahzy+D+dHW3Nj21PFA+12Ga+NLyq0om4g7G10HF5p5ZwpWxMvG6tJ3fybP mAGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=0HHdqJbR68CU06YmnfxAYCl5V9v7NUYvtvVV0jVPGFw=; b=VtxRVauNtagqkrOrSXu6F6HrJz8JACgsJh0caEbbW991K5LiMoiNq2c74uD4zjHjJi kyMLDlQVgndfE8TKj5pgEMyhWQGgRRw0oGonWPYXlPhDSVqXnkbuReOvdehvzboQuTFK 1ZMpejjtnux5M9/xhqUKtmNfre3v7TSdRW6eO8Jelve0dq6tbtTs95tU9csnhPsbh6mA BrLpXwLPq7ifud/YNJ7tDdB3wYW6jVf75o/wfz0nqv8fEHpa8LI5IMNTqdKQckDBKPmY 8AUChVuYyXXUofJiQ8HBHlGbAuPHxDtKRYUe9UvZaT9zDo45XsTiSysLkl4/eh5xJNve ot4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIiC281nIN1vqEWShCW+f4mdg5VlWlY9kZTsfdj/rIa5+OroTZyp3LAPPbHYAsknxqJFzEvgOVfBEoMMw== X-Received: by 10.176.0.145 with SMTP id 17mr10892435uaj.103.1466558508031; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:21:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.80.206 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [118.163.32.162] From: George Michaelson Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 11:21:45 +1000 Message-ID: To: venue-selection@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Madrid X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 01:21:50 -0000 this is a fine venue choice. Barjas is a world class airport and its got heaps of connectivity and good hotel choices. 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Australian Immigration will be a problem for some visitors and is expensive due to bilateral visit costs. Not insurmountable but an issue. Its got good hotel choices and good connectivity. From nobody Sun Jun 26 14:40:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A1F12D0BA for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ImAmFN2HBQkn for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.103]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6E9612D090 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spectre ([173.8.184.78]) by p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id BZgB1t0061huGat01ZgBd4; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:40:12 -0700 From: "Peter Yee" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:40:18 -0700 Message-ID: <034a01d1cff3$55c261e0$014725a0$@akayla.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdHP8V9EKOY0lQtgSneTRwSiGi1mJA== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Macau X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:40:14 -0000 Back in March, IEEE 802 held a very successful plenary session at the Venetian Casino in Macau. There's a very large conference center that's part of the Venetian complex and I think it would be easy to hold a meeting there wherein we could get: 1) Sufficient rooms in a single hotel (the Venetian has 3,000 plus rooms and is the largest such facility in the world). The Venetian is a world-class casino with all of the attendant services, food, and shopping options one expects of such a facility. Related hotels are also available across the main street through the casino district, accessible through enclosed walkways. Additional casinos with hotel rooms as well as non-casino hotels are also available nearby that are accessed via outdoor walking. No one should have to walk very far to accommodations unless they choose to. 2) Sufficient meeting space such that we don't end up with rooms that are standing room only (unless that's the desire). The meeting facility is multiple levels with several large, subdividable ballrooms. 3) Food options: many different options within the Venetian including a convenient food court with at least 20 different restaurants plus a variety of sit-down restaurants throughout the casino. Taipa Village is nearby for those who don't want to eat in a casino environment, although there are many other casinos nearby that offer many other restaurants. Some of these are accessible without going outdoors should the weather be inclement. 4) Doesn't suffer from the Great Firewall of China. Macau doesn't censor Internet connections unlike the mainland. 5) Fairly easy transportation access. Macau International Airport is very near the casinos (not that you would hear the planes). The much larger Hong Kong International Airport is nearby and is reached by high-speed ferry boats that depart directly from the airport so that no immigration formalities need be encountered in Hong Kong. Ferries run many times each day, both to and from Hong Kong airport as well as the Kowloon peninsula. 6) SIM cards are available via vending machines or in shops for those who care about such options. 7) Starbucks and similar chains are abundant for those who care about their caffeine consumption. 8) Plenty of interesting tourist options are available in Macau: sites from the Portuguese colonial era, the Macau Tower (viewing, bungee jumping, controlled descent jumping), traditional Chinese temples). Mainland China is nearby for those who want to go there. 9) In town transportation is available via plentiful taxis. Access to and from the airport and/or ferry terminal is available via free buses that are found outside each facility and hotel. In short, I think Macau makes a pretty good meeting location. Please let me know if you have any questions regarding the meeting IEEE 802 held there. If I don't know the answer, I can put you in contact with the meeting organizers or members of the organization who will know the answers. Thanks. -Peter From nobody Sun Jun 26 14:44:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D0312D090 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:44:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cDaZ_avrjbA for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C9D212D08E for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spectre ([173.8.184.78]) by p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id BZkh1t00B1huGat01Zkil3; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:44:42 -0700 From: "Peter Yee" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 14:44:48 -0700 Message-ID: <034b01d1cff3$f6b0a7b0$e411f710$@akayla.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdHP81vSPRgzxtlpTUaKOmMxkL5g1g== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Daejeon X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 21:44:44 -0000 IEEE 802 is planning to hold a meeting in Daejeon next May. I don't have a lot of information on the venue and won't be able to comment firsthand on how suitable it is for an IETF-level meeting. We have been told that we will probably need to fly into Seoul and then take a 2-3-hour train ride to get to Daejeon. If desired, I can ask those who selected the location for IEEE 802 for input. -Peter From nobody Sun Jun 26 15:02:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2490F12D0F1 for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TMMyBNn5u3zg for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA1AE12B04E for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spectre ([173.8.184.78]) by p3plsmtpa08-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Ba2W1t0021huGat01a2WuL; Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:02:30 -0700 From: "Peter Yee" To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 15:02:37 -0700 Message-ID: <034f01d1cff6$73700280$5a500780$@akayla.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdHP9AgiR799feOXRTerHSHEhLPZmg== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Bangkok X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 22:02:32 -0000 Bangkok makes a pretty good meeting location outside of the warm weather that can be found there at times. IEEE 802 held an interim wireless meeting there in September 2015 and the venue selected worked very well for us. 1) IEEE 802 held its meeting at the Centara Grand and Bangkok Convention Centre. The Centara is connected to the Convention Centre and the CentralWorld mall internally. The Centara only has 505 rooms itself, but the Grand Hyatt is located catty corner from the CentralWorld mall and there are other hotels in the vicinity. 2) There are abundant food offerings in the CentralWorld mall at low and middle price levels, with a large variety of cuisines that should probably meet most attendees desires or dietary restrictions. Western chains as well as local offerings are available. 3) Transportation to Bangkok is via two airports, one international, the other more regional. Both require taxi or shuttle access to get to downtown Bangkok, but the rates are not usurious. In-town transportation is via inexpensive taxis, buses, and canal boats (there's a station very near the Centara Grand that's good for getting to the tourist sites near the royal palace). 4) There's abundant shopping for durable goods as well as groceries in the nearby shopping malls. 5) More than enough tourist sites in the area: the royal palace, Buddhist temples galore, water tours, weekend market, etc.; Bangkok is a large, cosmopolitan city with much to offer. 6) Western style coffee chains are available. 7) SIM cards are available, although they may involve some amount of hassle to obtain - I had the help of a local in getting mine last year. 8) I'm not aware of any crime problems in Bangkok and I don't believe anyone reported having such problems during the meeting last year. The city felt safe and while civil unrest has occurred there in the past, it was not at all apparent in the many parts of the city I visited. 9) Money is fairly easy to get from ATMs as well as money changers. As always, if you have any questions about meeting in Bangkok, feel free to let me know. I'll do my best to get you an answer. -Peter