From nobody Fri Mar 31 07:29:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F094127A97 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cs.tcd.ie Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w4A0tcuTfu92 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [134.226.56.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AB69127A90 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DF9BE51 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:29:08 +0100 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from mercury.scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mercury.scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tizwl5vWwh8M for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:29:07 +0100 (IST) Received: from [31.133.141.180] (dhcp-8db4.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.141.180]) by mercury.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A28CBE3E for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:29:06 +0100 (IST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; s=mail; t=1490970547; bh=SMDl5FjopcuYQIQ2ERA8nUSd1c0s72YuXofqWp4v7vg=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=JOdaZx9N8bcQI3b47FUURRm1HJQlSWl4R2ny/En5LwfsMt6d7vMzZjqVtDCbQNwf9 zwKEEZDQWlp3YLAf8yUqvNT+Dg5I+GAwhdIAyonJaZo43uAgfLrfLpu1Ntgy8pgr9a 2CXtPWoOI1CoGyu+lzdNotgbSQrefQd327KyYgrI= To: venue-selection@ietf.org From: Stephen Farrell Openpgp: id=D66EA7906F0B897FB2E97D582F3C8736805F8DA2; url= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:28:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ap1MVq5awflfcNPVvT13o9aCT8CweScki" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:29:14 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Ap1MVq5awflfcNPVvT13o9aCT8CweScki Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="i2fsmQlEmBAiVUksjWD5Q0U3GfneSIHGU"; protected-headers="v1" From: Stephen Farrell To: venue-selection@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities --i2fsmQlEmBAiVUksjWD5Q0U3GfneSIHGU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sadly, I think we ought not meet in the US in the near future as the level of uncertainty involved has sufficient potential to cause significant problems. I do not think that the issue of some US residents' possible travel problems with leaving from and returning to the US outweighs the uncertainties involved in holding an event in the US - while that is a possible issue, it seems to me very much more probable that issues arise that prevent non-US residents accessing a US meeting. I've no particular inputs on the other cities, they all seem to be credible. I was a little surprised Prague wasn't on the list but I guess one can get too much of a good thing;-) And thanks for asking. I hope you also summarise the input you got back to the IETF announce list, perhaps before Prague. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, My observations might be very common, feel free to disregard them. Helsinki , Ottawa and Calgary not on main travel routes, but acceptable if = a little dull. Busan is really one hop further beyond an already far city, in addition the= city is not well suited to non-Korean as English is less used than in Seou= l. Food can be an issue. Barcelona, good, can be very busy and expensive at times (eg MWC) Osaka has good connections and hotels. Us cities are increasingly problematic for non-US citizens, such as for obt= aining visas (still OK for Europeans) and there are strange noises on what = happens to electronic equipments crossing the border (search, seizure, pass= word declarations, ...) San Francisco Austin, TX Boston Denver Houston New Orleans Philadelphia Washington DC If we must go to the US travel is even between many cities except those wit= h significant international connections (SFO, Boston, Washington, Philly) w= hich are better from that standpoint. There is a cost factor with SFO and = Boston which tend to be more expensive. Best regards, Julien Maisonneuve, Nokia Corporate Standards. --_000_AM2PR07MB059358FC54A3EF58734577D492370AM2PR07MB0593eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

My observations might be ver= y common, feel free to disregard them.

 

Helsinki , Ottawa and Calgar= y not on main travel routes, but acceptable if a little dull.

 

Busan is really one hop furt= her beyond an already far city, in addition the city is not well suited to = non-Korean as English is less used than in Seoul. Food can be an issue.

 

Barcelona, good, can be very= busy and expensive at times (eg MWC)

 

Osaka has good connections a= nd hotels.

 

Us cities are increasingly p= roblematic for non-US citizens, such as for obtaining visas (still OK for E= uropeans) and there are strange noises on what happens to electronic equipm= ents crossing the border (search, seizure, password declarations, …)

San Francisco

Austin, TX

Boston

Denver

Houston

New Orleans

Philadelphia

Washington DC

If we must go to the US travel = is even between many cities except those with significant international con= nections (SFO, Boston, Washington, Philly) which are better from that stand= point. There is a cost factor with  SFO and Boston which tend to be more expensive.

 

Best regards,

Julien Maisonneuve, Nokia Corporate Standa= rds.

 

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just don't. > Ottawa > Barcelona > Calgary > Helsinki > Osaka ottowa and calgary are a bit hard to get to, but i do not care. i love helsinki and osaka, but the ietf is not a tourist agency. randy From nobody Fri Mar 31 09:03:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B3F1297F7 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:03:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYSf3SqHBRN8 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x243.google.com (mail-io0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490FB1242EA for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x243.google.com with SMTP id f84so6299258ioj.0 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:03:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CLg04cbcjvH04UGV1rhkSxzRVMrDG6/JtO+XthnEbRg=; b=RQS74dS0TVRCh3P2x9gqIpOU/2OyEi0m9HCbCr9+Hgq/tADe1xaxtemRFpZOAHgZt4 jBfQ4hwCifqczwkrmgq2IwlFvnZknQ3wIZ0ohmB2BJ001AwvAfrfdWMln2GoRjfAPi5g Ct+4E2DJ951ZROsRuTOmP5VjsjSGqbQvfKzi0KY1sn+4riBHxlWSJZRrHvA1F1g5eHUV Yi5w8F6rv8+b091hqu1v6wxO8s8QZ+mhQSM9doD/w15hZyDgj7n1giJokqyXT+axQ1B3 l4ku0WaJffuVrs7ltlOkclfXvXMktQcRlbk10dhoFQYQN6RIjdM5s9lj/XX97bu06Mir VkcA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CLg04cbcjvH04UGV1rhkSxzRVMrDG6/JtO+XthnEbRg=; b=E7AzRZMlGe8jgFekkoaYFTZN9mU7i0ac3OH7VZJnZnmEzQ6BKGCCtFf52ZIIEROQOj 573jbzK3uzVA++9GwO7DooDaWcOnUm88SRYRN4tZZ7obBqSvg2D1y5txf6lmkHbY550X N7eVVeiZciOxKoQ0DV854iCsJD2PWWQwhoxbPGS3GGxjrgF8d98ZDOJ1B1yR87K1MgVu k7xFxwf7aO155tdHZ4w4HmA9WU6bL+8m9Pl+mfIN7u1Ccv6C2GidNEQYPQ5/oliLNEMD PYR5cGvbZrylcwT29rqT4kX3cWWO6ofF2cQGV47UCF/HMLYwSeXrX0OPozSGJPEXoLgy NMZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0aOun2Wqkc54xrNXV+3h5N5Bej2NIZW1R2Ww5GR8rJQ/HSiTO5VtqXzf02GaHw7w== X-Received: by 10.107.16.217 with SMTP id 86mr3932020ioq.228.1490976192567; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? (t2001067c0370012828ccdc4c97036781.v6.meeting.ietf.org. [2001:67c:370:128:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f196sm3382578itc.2.2017.03.31.09.03.11 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:03:12 -0700 (PDT) To: venue-selection@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <3ac1f8bc-3846-d31c-e22d-87f844586685@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:03:21 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Helsinki X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:03:15 -0000 A great choice but *only* for July. The weather in Nov or March can be punishing. (Locals will not agree but they're used to it. Also, in July, you get 18 hours of daylight so more work can be done.) 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(t2001067c0370012828ccdc4c97036781.v6.meeting.ietf.org. [2001:67c:370:128:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j85sm3348161iod.27.2017.03.31.09.08.30 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:08:30 -0700 (PDT) To: venue-selection@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:08:40 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] USA X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:08:33 -0000 Sadly I have to agree with those who say "don't meet in the USA" for the next few years. It's not a political or panic reaction: the risk of deterring participation is quite high. Canada: good. But why not repeat Vancouver and Toronto which worked well? 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[2001:67c:370:128:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b132sm3361359iob.6.2017.03.31.09.10.29 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:10:29 -0700 (PDT) To: venue-selection@ietf.org From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <75a1463c-d873-6cd7-12b9-068f7d2939bc@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 05:10:38 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Calgary X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:10:34 -0000 Not so convenient for non-North-American travellers as Vancouver or Toronto. 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[184.191.158.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m20sm12090765pgd.32.2017.03.31.12.28.14 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Baker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:28:12 -0700 References: To: venue-selection@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <528D2882-317D-4ECD-9053-1F7534AFB873@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] City review X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 19:28:21 -0000 Considering this list of potential cities, Barcelona and Helsinki are = the most expensive for a trip from Santa Barbara California; even Busan = is cheaper, which surprised me. That said, given the required facilities = and prevalence of travel options (which I don't have data on, but wonder = about with respect to Ottawa or Busan, and perhaps Helsinki), I'm OK = with any of them. To give an idea what I mean about travel options - in Hiroshima, most = people arrived by train, and while flights from ICN and NRT existed, = there weren't very many. I thought the train was fine, but there was = noise about the fact. If I were to invite people to Santa Barbara, most = would come to LAX and rent a car or take the Santa Barbara Airbus - = Santa Barbara has a nice airport, but I think we would have a hard time = bringing 1000+ people in or out on a given day. I have those questions = regarding Busan and Ottawa, and for completeness probably Helsinki - = there might not be a problem, but I would recommend that the meetings = committee actively determine that to be true. > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:18:23 -0700 > From: IAOC Chair > To: "IETF Announcement List" > Subject: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities > Message-ID: > <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8" >=20 > The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF meeting = locations. With this mail, we are soliciting input on some potential = IETF locations, including one where we have met before, but for which = conditions may have changed. >=20 > Specifically, we seek community input on reasons we could not have a = successful meeting in any of the following cities, or of any limits to = attendee accessibility or inclusiveness that should be considered: >=20 > Ottawa > San Francisco > Austin, TX > Barcelona > Boston > Busan > Calgary > Denver > Helsinki > Houston > New Orleans > Osaka > Philadelphia > Washington DC >=20 > Please send input to venue-selection@ietf.org. It will help the review = process if the Subject line had the name of the city first, Subject: = .=20 >=20 > As a reminder, venue-selection@ietf.org is a dropbox e-mail address: = its archive is publicly visible, but subscription is not available. >=20 > Thanks, > Leslie, for the IAOC. From nobody Fri Mar 31 16:42:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC73129474 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSbLsI1kyYv1 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4397C1294F9 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id l43so117852734wre.1 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:42:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wW4UGBgieovMRb5v15ljp1Zf+2glkLwQFampffjokYk=; b=NgQN6Y5tEfHWa5MqZ4fLxBobao0wR5d+mFBfO1P5gyxV6luiQuYtW7wq+XpljXbJJU gQ/se9V9ebP90Mxy4jBVFh1dhc6hihA8AVn3JdWRLtUlkdo4hQre3vOhzoBpmatXH/A5 d12cQ3pDIHEDhXdvJrnClvDFGgNZn2xee/gvRFi4J3qjoBnnN+GLW+Z/hb81P5b8qP+p N2DzUHotc6E9/BF4/KHYdJ+fV0bOAXRd3Z/E7wWpgeShSlo/FdtKnHtKq2tJhE1zmzac SxgHHFUTQiYBjAl/SPnbZXi9KiwJVchHMnJDLF5lsqNatj9L9rR/lzobVQRlZgnYMYF+ ddfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wW4UGBgieovMRb5v15ljp1Zf+2glkLwQFampffjokYk=; b=iAfI3agz1DGrwE6Jf27m7triCuOsBVA0RXh9wuRc1zybEII/LhMssaOYSN/1isT7pQ /7PMEXWnXJkL1QEMwmxsAwVRr894ztGkYooAUxw7RFQo1q9FZHeTeV9iB8LtiExUd2K9 yYXR1Kyr7G0UbYjIr/9kr/k5ywy/1FFo31fIQysgnIMcxn7lP+q40o1OV3a8YQN4HfdD AGRNENkTPTg5AASpCTitRx0jeC8Bdr5X1uD75DmgHoHCSx8NBCuMmzBJHEh5tVNxPmSl ikHdxxgjyjaOrIJFHwZcI6s9bmPNuTN/9AOp1go8IcQvpMEu39F6D9NfCV3pmVncTWLx uM6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3949l/T3dWgmt9TfoXy5VRayARHneHPJ8wUEFRA4maiQQ6RxjrdWelEa5OTsoy4MvJl1YxAEyIc7WSvQ== X-Received: by 10.223.165.8 with SMTP id i8mr2947532wrb.66.1491003734726; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:42:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.25.194 with HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:41:54 -0700 (PDT) From: DY Kim Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 08:41:54 +0900 Message-ID: To: venue-selection@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045f163cf79e05054c0f5b22 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:42:28 -0000 --f403045f163cf79e05054c0f5b22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Busan is the major port and the 2nd largest city of Korea. Rich in meeting facilities and hot spots. One of popular places for Japanese neighbors. http://tour.busan.go.kr/eng/index.busan http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/common_intl/mapInformation.kto?md=enu&func_name=main Although there are not many international flights into the city, except from some Asian countries, it is accessible with one last leg from most neighboring Far East Asian cities including Incheon, Tokyo, Osaka, Beijing. If people are ready to fly there, they might also be interested in Jeju island: http://www.ijto.or.kr/english/ http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/common_intl/mapInformation.kto?md=enu&func_name=main A Hawaii of Korea, it's a semi-tropic volcanic island, a UNESCO natural heritage. Beautiful nature and a few convention center. Visa-free, so less trouble for entry. Just FYI. -- DY --f403045f163cf79e05054c0f5b22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Busan is the major port and the 2nd largest city of Korea.= Rich in meeting facilities and hot spots. One of popular places for Japane= se neighbors.

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Although there are not many international flights into the city, = except from some Asian countries, it is accessible with one last leg from m= ost neighboring Far East Asian cities including Incheon, Tokyo, Osaka, Beij= ing.

If people are ready to fly there, they might = also be interested in Jeju island:

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A Hawaii of Korea, it's a semi-tropic volcanic = island, a UNESCO natural heritage. Beautiful nature and a few convention ce= nter. Visa-free, so less trouble for entry.

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