From nobody Sun Apr 2 18:56:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA81127071 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 18:56:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DESgDCYaGptU for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3120126DCA for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD5B2054E for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 22:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41E1636BB for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2017 21:56:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Ottawa X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 01:56:54 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I live in Ottawa. I've been to 50+ IETF meetings. Ottawa is unpredictable, but generally unpleasant in March. July can be regularly rather hot (40C with humidex) and November is predictably unpleasant. When it's nice, though, it's really nice. A meeting in early April or early November (crossing Oct. 31st..) would work better than March or late November. We have numerous festivals in June/July which also fill the hotels. While Ottawa is a government town, and we have enough total hotels and conference space to have an IETF meeting, the hotels are regularly booked. Having a meeting when the government is sitting is likely very difficult. As we are supposed to now have fixed election dates (October), it may be easier to predict. They generally do not sit in the summer. I think that the only hotel with close to enough space is the Conference Center and/or Westin. That hotel also has the Rideau center attached with generous food courts, and the market nearby for more sophisticated foods. There are a few really near hotels (Novotel) which are more economical. If in July, University of Ottawa is spitting distance and rents their residences out. I don't think the university could host the IETF meetings, but it's certainly hosted a number of smaller conferences (bsdcan, pgcon, the Ottawa IPv6 summit) which were in the ~500 person size. I don't know that there is a room big enough for the plenary there, but they do have some 800 person auditoriums, and lots and lots of good networking. It is possible the Minto (at the western edge of downtown) would have sufficed, but I see that it is now a long-stay hotel. There is also now conference space in Kanata (the Brookstone), out near the Newbridge buildings (now Alcatel-Lucent...). The hotel and space is likely big enough, but it's total and complete suburbia: no restaurants for dinner, etc. Avoid. Avoid. We open our deep-deep LRT tunnel in 2018, but it does not connect to the airport. It does/will connect to the train station though, connecting directly to Uottawa and Westin/RideauCenter. However: Ottawa has a pitiful oversized cathedral airport. We have a bunch of expensive direct flights from US cities using turbo props, and some daily Frankfurt connections. Westjet also flies direct from Calgary, and Vancouver, but doesn't have a lot of partners, they use real airplanes though. Air Canada from Toronto or Montreal on a code-share will wind up being the default choice for most. I personally fly to Europe from Montreal and I take the train Ottawa<->Montreal, and the bus if I must (last train is 7pm ish). This will be a bit like Maastrich (which I missed), except worse, because we have a totally crappy train system, even compared to Amtrak. Bandwidth-wise, it may also be difficult to make things work since our Duopoly is clueless. But since this will likely be 2-3 years in the future, I think that the plans to grow the local IX might help. The last mile could be very annoying to arrange. If you want to try another city in Canada, Calgary would be a better choice. It's similar sized, cooler in the summer, and is a major airline hub for Air Canada, with direct connections from many many more places. My experience with living in Helsinki is that it will be similar to Ottawa for transportation to the city. But significantly better once you get there. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAljhq+IACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVXWwf5AftQcP2kfyQuJ0CkGCaN+Go46KsOiIHQOp5EDHY9EdCswnoavmpd/sBa ikSYw8v8OVRmJc+U9bGi4cuKgxSi7cRsdUj5QW3vrzSK6PYLrFdNJ4ZTG+awnnmU VrsIn0eZB9pc8t6pdk/9QKfyzukeQdeX5OxPFMQzUeTvsJ1PwjJq8tbv9VQ1UTm2 YLAI5YYtXSk5TfGfm3TTPwBdLvCh6LzyIrIv369OdiXMZrgAmjcWCcdd8QMnD6G1 8Ns/NK+0PW2rkZSMmfAgzHbxrPlhlvZS8ugRt5aSyFpfc+q9tskKuXDOIdBNOmMj +aD3jtzYhhs16oIinY7mVE6FmGmrDg== =IlrQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Apr 3 09:36:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7EC129479 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:36:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ChF21ueBcZqJ for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from guelah.shrubbery.net (guelah.shrubbery.net [198.58.5.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE07129476 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 09:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by guelah.shrubbery.net (Postfix, from userid 7053) id B158E7EBCB; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 16:36:47 +0000 From: heasley To: venue-selection@ietf.org Message-ID: <20170403163646.GA82896@shrubbery.net> References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-PGPkey: http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/public-key.asc X-note: live free, or die! X-homer: i just want to have a beer while i am caring. X-Claimation: an engineer needs a manager like a fish needs a bicycle X-reality: only YOU can put an end to the embarrassment that is Tom Cruise User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 16:36:50 -0000 Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 07:18:23AM -0700, IAOC Chair: > The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF meeting locations. With this mail, we are soliciting input on some potential IETF locations, including one where we have met before, but for which conditions may have changed. > > Specifically, we seek community input on reasons we could not have a successful meeting in any of the following cities, or of any limits to attendee accessibility or inclusiveness that should be considered: > > Ottawa > San Francisco > Austin, TX > Barcelona > Boston > Busan > Calgary > Denver > Helsinki > Houston > New Orleans > Osaka > Philadelphia > Washington DC I am much less likely to attend a meeting in WDC, than any of the above. Too expensive, painful travel in and around, and the center of a government I do not wish to support. Austin, Houston and New Orleans are just gross environments to be avoided, especially in spring, summer or fall. I know nothing of Busan or Barcelona. > Please send input to venue-selection@ietf.org. It will help the review process if the Subject line had the name of the city first, Subject: . > > As a reminder, venue-selection@ietf.org is a dropbox e-mail address: its archive is publicly visible, but subscription is not available. > > Thanks, > Leslie, for the IAOC. From nobody Mon Apr 3 12:04:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B751129962; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:42:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IRDG0lOGc8qq; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71A2F129961; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 07:42:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3199; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1490971345; x=1492180945; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to; bh=EjXG5EVnG0/dNm6/0swbD7IjZ5L1RZDP4cSpjFPR0f8=; b=Tc/wrvnmUYAEbvw6ZAgR+eO0jmiX4XQUKaX9fpyuhAVByJGfoqhQlcWs DykIGMu5f8SS5sLj4VZJQQXaoBlxTXp6rcFUcS6KqM5sMZ6LEyfQWwZHr KzgtBVGAdVZGLNvg7SnNbNCQUJVMa7/CAugXiqsVqVbAAbUeke3aCqu0V 8=; X-Files: signature.asc : 481 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0A5AwARat5Y/4MNJK1dGgEBAQECAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QgBAQEBg1SFTooSkTYfk0GCD4IOhiICg0Y/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsohRYBBSNJCQE?= =?us-ascii?q?TCxgqAgJXBwwIAQEQiXmtXYImgUeJFAEBAQcBAQEBFQ+IUwiCYoQ3AQGDIYJfB?= =?us-ascii?q?YsEhWKMBIN8ggyMSIpfhluTcR84PkclFggYFYc4IodTDxcDghQBAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.36,252,1486425600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="225042488" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 31 Mar 2017 14:42:24 +0000 Received: from [10.86.247.170] ([10.86.247.170]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2VEgNAa030592; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:42:24 GMT To: ietf@ietf.org, venue-selection@ietf.org References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:42:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f7bwGIEoqjncKqhTkCW411DXQhIDUx9MF" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 12:04:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 14:42:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --f7bwGIEoqjncKqhTkCW411DXQhIDUx9MF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="EXciw8canbUEgqbaW16vH6pcM8et7JbWV"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eliot Lear To: ietf@ietf.org, venue-selection@ietf.org Message-ID: <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> Subject: Re: IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> --EXciw8canbUEgqbaW16vH6pcM8et7JbWV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On 3/31/17 9:18 AM, IAOC Chair wrote: > The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF meeting l= ocations. With this mail, we are soliciting input on some potential IETF = locations, including one where we have met before, but for which conditio= ns may have changed. > > Specifically, we seek community input on reasons we could not have a su= ccessful meeting in any of the following cities, or of any limits to atte= ndee accessibility or inclusiveness that should be considered: > > Ottawa > San Francisco > Austin, TX > Barcelona > Boston > Busan > Calgary > Denver > Helsinki > Houston > New Orleans > Osaka > Philadelphia > Washington DC I apologize for not following the form in the subject line, but in my view, there is sufficient uncertainty about ability of people to gain entry to the United States that we should not be planning meetings in this country. Over the last few weeks we have seen people with valid visas turned away at the border or otherwise detained, sometimes for days, without any cause being given. We have people in our community who could not get a visa in time for the Chicago meeting. With the vote by the European Parliament requiring Americans to have visas to enter into EU countries, it is likely we will see a further degradation of the situation, such as suspension of the VWP, thus bringing further uncertainty to new and more common classes of individuals. That translates into concerns over San Francisco, Austin, Boston, Denver, Houston, New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Washington DC. I would prefer, therefore, as alternatives, Calgary, Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City, and Vancouver. Eliot --EXciw8canbUEgqbaW16vH6pcM8et7JbWV-- --f7bwGIEoqjncKqhTkCW411DXQhIDUx9MF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJY3mrQAAoJEIe2a0bZ0nozIOwH/iyEcGoyjC+QpOLm8LS6FahJ BMK8PqK2taJPp+2nVS51GKpEbnzyjYI6bF32IGVSCpRVw/bD0u2KExVf0DxBsZNf dv1GEWo+e59XjD1F/wonKE8zwawfSsxVDKr57YFt/b749Cc0IDI5cfSuhD6wmf4l 71BY2VZqXZPNQVJFpZKj2yoEJE0VsFQVjDHiy4AWCoDAKBv5M/LNEQoWgZhTWMEs kj2QQmKXGblPkNeFYfogwNj9sC+xH0MiQIFPwZC/nxLKMTjRed+33QepDBDTQO5M tJllp5u5/+3D6/4vHk6F+HII7MN9iXoKODtXSHaTk0FF1dzA7o2azwBPy2JJVjw= =z/qm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f7bwGIEoqjncKqhTkCW411DXQhIDUx9MF-- From nobody Mon Apr 3 12:04:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0251294E1; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 08:42:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uZ1wc8M2ngyJ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 08:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x233.google.com (mail-wr0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF0E81294DF; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x233.google.com with SMTP id k6so104644191wre.2; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 08:42:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=uvC6LN17n5WrIS4pB55oivGWElM8RZH2UZRG6EapTaI=; b=iZTsHsalDD65DTGOMsBV8Oqmcp7JvpKe8Rtz+OdSPqWYd74a1mM4X3SFvK+V4irPdR RCTAlsHlXVYZKnZMLD/MnwLnZlm09jOqYH0l/NcRu0xO6Jok7xS/h7esmrhXTqbFZDJh 1nXc/rBxHuplAXFCmEy7/bBAToGnPKuk4aTaA4pMTF7aXUA3t5ZuQb8iHHWO8GYwD9Oy Au3JSXFythgCRQTxN33fPFDUb5H/QPNVy8nuK4hUOdMHK9iqHJT16lP/oafoiMKfgO6y rWeJmj13koEiDlqZQ2z2+KD9rCyb7OY1JnXKTkWo/y71kEiUa5mpCy345T6uaToS02Vk cY2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=uvC6LN17n5WrIS4pB55oivGWElM8RZH2UZRG6EapTaI=; b=tVStWNXUbY/QInM9QBbIABIUIFgWFqmLgtPQj9NwPKiBh67IJJ2UPm+UgQXxI2tsLr shjLDXc6XaI9BbYG37K9TJpCxlkRYr2PU6OcAgc0U30qC+KQI5KOff/guaiX6W8lpck5 g/Fw4IiilAICuldRRHWin2i/IVXuajwfz4i3RCdgrwza1CuitdxYVJ1epSWAPmAg0ZqX fJGACFD0p/e0pTFqQYLg5FylYl9HYyDlHxqzH8TE0fMsb77sje8Rboq6dDDHkNm3Nanw FDnHOvXZ4KL4oIuMj2P59l30FwBNER1ILbhNkFJa1+XW6/ld5hi4eJT2Iwgd79qp57Yt fyWA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1vUVFrUyMLR4FTGnzOInfa9I5iMNZgVexRTWrwP1JHYM0aMX89wb9pNe9fC8MQcg== X-Received: by 10.223.164.83 with SMTP id e19mr3795774wra.154.1490974936009; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 08:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-86b9.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-86b9.meeting.ietf.org. [31.133.134.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 36sm7153076wrk.15.2017.03.31.08.42.14 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Mar 2017 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: <87C934A6-A4A8-41A4-A849-B0EDE8D234FF@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BFDEED0F-758A-4590-8A4A-0CFF5212EF69"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:42:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: Bob Hinden , IETF To: venue-selection@ietf.org References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 12:04:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 15:42:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BFDEED0F-758A-4590-8A4A-0CFF5212EF69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, > On Mar 31, 2017, at 9:18 AM, IAOC Chair wrote: >=20 > The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF meeting = locations. With this mail, we are soliciting input on some potential = IETF locations, including one where we have met before, but for which = conditions may have changed. >=20 > Specifically, we seek community input on reasons we could not have a = successful meeting in any of the following cities, or of any limits to = attendee accessibility or inclusiveness that should be considered: >=20 > Ottawa > San Francisco > Austin, TX > Barcelona > Boston > Busan > Calgary > Denver > Helsinki > Houston > New Orleans > Osaka > Philadelphia > Washington DC I have no issue with any of the cities above for future meeting sites, = but I agree with the views that deferring future meetings in the US is = prudent given the visa/entry issues. We can have successful meetings in = Canada or other places in North America. Note, in picking venue locations in North America outside of the US, it = important to pick locations that don=E2=80=99t require transit in the = US. In the list, I think Ottawa is fine, but not sure about Calgary. Bob >=20 > Please send input to venue-selection@ietf.org. It will help the review = process if the Subject line had the name of the city first, Subject: = . >=20 > As a reminder, venue-selection@ietf.org is a dropbox e-mail address: = its archive is publicly visible, but subscription is not available. >=20 > Thanks, > Leslie, for the IAOC. >=20 --Apple-Mail=_BFDEED0F-758A-4590-8A4A-0CFF5212EF69 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJY3njTAAoJEK7rdBF357uoBZsH/28POin7WJHxaKKW4375OrTv qPWs8G2HQzwvehC/15rJtRbT1uxNMFVdedlC+2ZNfa94jNK3TABe5lMU2sGfwsWP lc3sN5Y97oeMicfpEqdej3DKdGl7/w3huSEB7/NGO6q3kDA+gYA3q2EPj870uxu0 1tHpzNGwYGq+0xMaWC5PbjNXvmx2giFuzJpNDxf6ngpABSyV0IkN2U4NdJMymN4s D7LDkuwUAX0asgq6dv870VBtcIfS3YXKiRpFMGIdyAD4GnJurbpwODtKmdMnEBP3 qYQVd4PCdmuzBO9I1pEC6hALJycCBPaUsjxJ9QR621/2hIFq+IJ7PHruSy76TJw= =1EHB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_BFDEED0F-758A-4590-8A4A-0CFF5212EF69-- From nobody Mon Apr 3 12:04:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D9212950B for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FcBeop32qL43 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22c.google.com (mail-it0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61328124D37 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id e75so15552386itd.1 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1JGzYhXWqz6OArd5S5eq0Jtt+Kqed5kt6zOPfFKsMQ4=; b=Zqgwp6YcGOK1t8LQlyoA1eu+YKuVQgwM6S1zFpPLymHm/fCVHqi45zA4iFOeBCnToW 5bOG9lpuJJekU+3ZOP9u/TxzpElT7pICtU9fGlD/waT5W41W2blzYjagBmjXmMGalFw+ BaUh8sMxF6/+LubxFHIMziY7x27NRH8vx4s2cX0V6R2TuQyFreMv2EcanNGNOg/Ey/vX g5HKeeaTFAEk18nN9WAqhRmrkKPZDt5Rw21Ut/nnWfQHBrlBfC/4lBwvy7o+D9gJENJp +fANpE67x+4uDpd+avQPOAcexncvWOzC6yWZFFOPRhevrUVvHQIqdLpzohQFxwdJiil1 XIOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1JGzYhXWqz6OArd5S5eq0Jtt+Kqed5kt6zOPfFKsMQ4=; b=R02aZAYkbsh2ROqAjGxX1Hjd4H7x9w7bAFUaI5Lm65wr2+E68EK9uhVqRcZbbK4MFG Kdir870QTWkiYrMEguMm21yYzJ82T7dKblYvWGkemD13PkQLsrLxRXDNLkZ8GNvbgOUA APkat/otZA2LpOXeTr1qyKUNBU2IRVw1NEDPgfGDVU8rl2ftQbeObdkQa4pjES7BGE5V LI56TuH2P8eWWgpQETZtCypICg6UE7ggxndU5Yuz3VVIocfKhKdGWKYDh5mU5FbWAre5 W0OSTCe5F1WHVGJD0NdLRl4TtZkDlqN4/H5R9LdEAHdXUazRycOCFF9ixoUbBi3/xJ+B 0dzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1zg+SbQEetc6AeRF9rh3BTMZF6d9Wu7XfHNdV+ITjkQ0CKfndFv8d3U1fbUX4fGQ== X-Received: by 10.36.77.139 with SMTP id l133mr4684577itb.5.1490976351621; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:ec84:2518:df07:8d5a? 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[2001:67c:370:128:ec84:2518:df07:8d5a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k186sm1455445ita.30.2017.03.31.09.05.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:05:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Brian E Carpenter , venue-selection@ietf.org References: <3ac1f8bc-3846-d31c-e22d-87f844586685@gmail.com> From: Dave Crocker Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:05:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3ac1f8bc-3846-d31c-e22d-87f844586685@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 12:04:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] Helsinki X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:06:07 -0000 On 3/31/2017 11:03 AM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > A great choice but *only* for July. The weather in Nov or March can be punishing. (Locals will not agree but they're used to it. Also, in July, you get 18 hours of daylight so more work can be done.) Scandanavian venues are extremely expensive. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon Apr 3 12:04:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A081296BE for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:56:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=me.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YGJbWw13773n for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:56:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com (mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com [17.110.69.252]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74189129574 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from process-dkim-sign-daemon.mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com by mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) id <0ONO00O00T3GYG00@mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com> for venue-selection@ietf.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:56:37 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=4d515a; t=1490979397; bh=WmK2q83gMOqqDBBekMhOws/CuX088Kb7bGBdbXoE7Yk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-id:MIME-version:Content-type; b=MPNpXTcWdh4YVTblkDRx+YvJHUqAfbqJ4nJ8yX3EdCI32bkzEz6lMY2VktP0+ZZSB oqhXSrZ+EK4fMqqrLuyIr2Y6uVfqK+DucUAqEkvPJI/a12jhK9yVk5HcU2/wkO3W// yIDI+OWaTDIK7Zm5yEyffU2qwxQTQxupJR5HpKG9Kb9SQhAaMw+XOfKqank1l4aJni ZSWThsnyij4w+A+P127plxTsMVL/55Ve83mddQ4J8C7xLCcb54e0fv18rD86gNwESN 6Qs9Zpc9cTWoMxwj7k12btMfXxHaJGADeIrBg7YvX8ZFFu8Po0c9eTA9LnaRkQR5Nt IEnAG6+JU1OWg== Received: from icloud.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.38.0 64bit (built Feb 26 2016)) with ESMTPSA id <0ONO00H9VV28YT20@mr11p00im-asmtp001.me.com>; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:56:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:,, definitions=2017-03-31_14:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=2 spamscore=2 clxscore=1034 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1701120000 definitions=main-1703310154 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ole Jacobsen To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: venue-selection@ietf.org In-reply-to: Message-id: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 12:04:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] USA X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:56:50 -0000 Brian, There is no intent to avoid Vancouver and Toronto, we have already met there with good results as you say, and have plenty of feeback already. The point here was to ask for input on OTHER places in Canada that *might* be available for our dates, and for which we do not currently have feedback. As you can imagine, the IETF is not the only group considering relocation of meetings out of the US. Ole On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Sadly I have to agree with those who say "don't meet in the USA" for > the next few years. It's not a political or panic reaction: the risk > of deterring participation is quite high. > > Canada: good. But why not repeat Vancouver and Toronto which worked well? > > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > > From nobody Mon Apr 3 12:04:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332361297EC; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 10:00:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VHKfOfG61ZfN; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:2a03:6000:1004:1::68]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CF9B129574; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 09:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3vvnmT6849z1x7; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:59:53 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1490979593; bh=1EFKWzIRmiBsb6F5JLBbTqHX5PQqZ7O5b4BVF5OLfnc=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=oYYnHMmo17AC9nEYXRerKYjZrrJqxD7DsSGu7G7h/nBriZ7RMPRhZKIxOsBmFikdh oXfE7t0eh7I8d2+7E31CXHo1rahRLtWZX0FiczV0hjxMJvJU1fxH3EA0z7vMRv5tfB cb6x/FFUKatZ2cR4TF69Ry8PXbpEd8hTTrrFHH6Q= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2WPd6L23xJ22; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [76.10.157.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [31.133.184.215] (dhcp-b8d7.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.184.215]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 134A2F28; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bofh.nohats.ca 134A2F28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Paul Wouters X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) In-Reply-To: <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 11:59:49 -0500 Cc: ietf@ietf.org, venue-selection@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> To: Eliot Lear Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 12:04:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 17:00:00 -0000 > On Mar 31, 2017, at 09:42, Eliot Lear wrote: >=20 >=20 > That translates into concerns over San Francisco, Austin, Boston, > Denver, Houston, New Orleans, Philadelphia, and Washington DC. I would > prefer, therefore, as alternatives, Calgary, Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, > Quebec City, and Vancouver. I agree. I know some people who failed to get their visa in time. I booked l= ast minute because I was waiting for the religious/racial ban to be suspende= d. I don't know when I will be refused entry for not handing out passwords o= r pins. I don't want to leave my laptop out of sight and I dont want to fly o= n planes with a zillion lithium-ion batteries in the cargo hold. The situation has been in constant flux and is unlikely to stabilize soon, s= o we have no way of knowing the restrictions and limitations a year from now= . It is prudent to move the San Francisco meeting to outside the US. 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The weather in Nov or March can be punishing. (Locals will not agree but they're used to it. Also, in July, you get 18 hours of daylight so more work can be done.) Scandanavian venues are extremely expensive. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From nobody Mon Apr 3 12:05:05 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F5D1288B8; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKUBLYKnpGx2; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com (mail-it0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C606412025C; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id y18so21808518itc.0; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hKY6O6VIf6bp5pREjkB+ibOIrg7hPWAJqGa+qYPFV7w=; b=ubDyZqpc0iD1X1P32fjcOuqdF1c+1r+YSngy8SHIKFtIqsKzK8pZVfwAxygKbW9rz3 dAmJm+VN96+cBZquqtpZmeGZelXjbuyjLe/j9qNGB1e5+UvMY2dq2K/vQ+TIc2RbgE5A IlZ7/HfqehobiE8gBVBm7Y932UbyVUy4EvrHzHRgx15N64goIFL6tcAyRHFdQK4pbRpl xM6Roeu7VaTM18uqs+FEKS6ZZNNXsYP3RE/Eo99eQBek306Wht0pMgUa0/kKoAgFuvED eJETAOpN+hkVkWtxU7TR/lhNISPt361zs793bXQHW6pDpJK8m+FNpi8qgVF5Wkv4C2fp nMsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hKY6O6VIf6bp5pREjkB+ibOIrg7hPWAJqGa+qYPFV7w=; b=dRDxaHwnpDR8XNR/+x9tSI+03OjYtLfoLlfxZBcWmYz7Ah890j1KQBydixX+4mx8fW b5CWUmnmyxFz0nGzpugm2ykGnE8Ygx079cwiEkpsPJMODapHwPY2UtELBDm5M9ynx2DO LFVIOTG/C3HjVAbge3lg7INW2bOmsUu+b/KzGom6A2dnsu/KKsDiYSzIs8OBcglEIDBm E+14hlGv+49MGcprDSzQ/GkwfnKw/yvlscDuUX9gcXXubD/2Jz4OTn4FthZvw0J+Qkmm OFr3e/BwJy+9s1FyPuOfViAuX+EGzWG6rygUqSERGmoxEDmbNkEfuK7H0QekNR7LLsxP NMOw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H3WFFjkEK0+EhwlVtmsZNUcClZgiDNfAVESKcsC8AK/CctEU7/0 tosgc0oe/iaoI7v0uFo= X-Received: by 10.36.138.65 with SMTP id v62mr464531itd.108.1491004714023; Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.7.142] (swissotel07.s.subnet.rcn.com. [216.80.61.6]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n73sm4009703ioe.10.2017.03.31.16.58.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:58:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Eliot Lear , ietf@ietf.org, venue-selection@ietf.org References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 00:58:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9fee9874-1306-07a2-a84a-4e09381a5336@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 12:04:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:58:37 -0000 On 31/03/2017 15:42, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi, > > > On 3/31/17 9:18 AM, IAOC Chair wrote: >> The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF meeting locations. With this mail, we are soliciting input on some potential IETF locations, including one where we have met before, but for which conditions may have changed. >> >> Specifically, we seek community input on reasons we could not have a successful meeting in any of the following cities, or of any limits to attendee accessibility or inclusiveness that should be considered: >> >> Ottawa >> San Francisco >> Austin, TX >> Barcelona >> Boston >> Busan - looks expensive to get to >> Calgary - also looks expensive to get to >> Denver >> Helsinki >> Houston >> New Orleans >> Osaka >> Philadelphia >> Washington DC > To save everyone doing it, it would be good to show representative airfares and times from a major hub in Europe, East and West Coast, and Asia I am sure cost and travel time will impact acceptability. - Stewart From nobody Mon Apr 3 15:31:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F93128DF6 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:27:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eBXBu_PnQde7 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x242.google.com (mail-qk0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4468612945F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2017 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x242.google.com with SMTP id k139so9855461qke.2 for ; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Hy8KAMpKv1wvaKO7cJZ5F07+9csUb9vhd79t0KoKfZE=; b=XH4zKOrLpahvb0I88bXCJMig4cjChaNpPzfam0vjRq7h6qUeCA+OueTxt67YEXgdhq 9QATYeINxUm+wcuashPPHgjaPIfKUmQw/a6UFGx277JykX/6M0I+37OhE9cNUQf/00/u 9ywpCZMO6qhEud/793x+7JwrIPB72+t3aAlXSuUiMrjhdRAUhGsQebE0p8opvze6fRSh vFo7IyVf2MMkaTisin20ZbWnca9osNc0TOoIgbxTocdMztc67n8xgMg2+TLQdxO9+WI8 GUhmtlKSpKIpFNeTtf/L+/0HXe49UhVEMn3NxM1DD0Lkp4C+Mdzv4Kvhpcs2dEpqvFUH sLTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Hy8KAMpKv1wvaKO7cJZ5F07+9csUb9vhd79t0KoKfZE=; b=dKqMpREGitf4t6iXzZ0jy7wyFr5rKfBoZMeZL9rDzd2CUi3dn0goS215QLFGsmyJ8V ynrU+BtZi5/lIHLsOusmSPVW4Bc4TRIU5laoXmGFrNgcPSxIca/wrlKN4ZtlHX4lH1rt FFy7xl7B2GTCik2Zbmf9Xr9V5rjZSYHD1VfMa3n/MFCD1+k0X7q19GlgBbGhB/bvgsP3 X16G0qZ3IIozVWk973J7gytoukIUY8de/PBNQEJ+ycO5p7H5nDIFrM7m58GE5qfanTtG kuofO4s0y/NZuS45zz8EjSH/uxSqtp1YTmLXHfggGdm3fMl3mvUqgHgVlDFAjzes4klK ki9g== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H1+O8n0pW+ocTXI7fCBnABIJh1+QN1wBBeFdGS2XVOZBEJn+o8tDw8ZKn9eJTKIUg== X-Received: by 10.55.70.79 with SMTP id t76mr19519195qka.271.1491254860239; Mon, 03 Apr 2017 14:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.30.20.13] (pool-173-73-12-2.washdc.fios.verizon.net. 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Atkinson" In-Reply-To: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2017 17:27:39 -0400 Cc: Ran Atkinson Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8612C287-890D-4AFA-A4B2-4DB3280580A5@gmail.com> References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 15:31:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2017 21:27:45 -0000 > On 31Mar2017, at 10:18, IAOC Chair wrote: >=20 > The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF meeting = locations. With this mail, > we are soliciting input on some potential IETF locations, including = one where we have met before, > but for which conditions may have changed. >=20 > Specifically, we seek community input on reasons we could not have a = successful meeting > in any of the following cities, or of any limits to attendee = accessibility or inclusiveness that > should be considered: >=20 > Ottawa > San Francisco > Austin, TX > Barcelona > Boston > Calgary > Denver > Helsinki > Houston > New Orleans > Osaka > Philadelphia > Washington DC Any of above should be fine. All have reasonable airline connectivity. None create unusual entry/visa difficulties. =20 I note that in actual fact, the US Executive Order that was the focus of = some confusion on the IETF list earlier this year very quickly was stayed by = US Courts=20 (and also that the would-be replacement Executive Order also has been = stayed=20 by US Courts). Note that Ottawa, Austin, Calgary, New Orleans, & Philadelphia are not = really=20 major international airports, so many people (but not all) from outside=20= North America might need to have an extra flight within the destination=20= country. =20 Buson, South Korea has the same issue as described in the paragraph = above =E2=80=94 people from outside Korea/Japan probably would need to have = an extra flight=20 within South Korea. I just did a quick check, and for me, I=E2=80=99d = connect via Seoul=20 (Inchon - ICN) airport. So, for South Korea, Seoul would be more = convenient from a travel logistics viewpoint. There is definitely a cluster of IETF participants near Ottawa; several = seem to be=20 in Kanata, ON. Philadelphia has Comcast, which might well be willing to = host an IETF held in Comcast=E2=80=99s home town (thus helping with meeting = costs). As an aside, for European meeting locations, I=E2=80=99d like to see = IETF return to Dublin, Ireland. Several major companies (e.g. Google, Ericsson) have large = offices with=20 engineers/scientists in the metro Dublin area. Dublin is easily = reachable by air, so scores well on ease of travel arrangements. 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In general, please do not select destinations that are remote or need 3-4 f= lights from a major airport. Your list is ok as far as flight options. The input I provide below is on t= he social/lifestyle/safety aspects of the city, etc. Ottawa Why not Vancouver to make it easy on the Asian participants. Vancouver is = a very diverse city with agreeable climate and excellent cuisine. San Francisco Always a perfect destination Austin, TX Good choice, too, but hard to find hotels. Barcelona Not first choice Boston bad choice. Always congested and expensive. Busan Most westerners do not find a good choice of food in this town. Been throu= gh that before. Calgary Ok but not easy to fly to. Denver Good, as long as you stay in the downtown area. Helsinki Very good as long as it is a SUMMER meeting Houston Not a top choice New Orleans Not a top choice. Osaka Not a top choice. Philadelphia Congested and some areas on the fringes of the city are not safe. Washington DC Very good and diverse in all aspects. Suggested other destinations Amsterdam, Vienna, Berlin, Paris, Vancouver (Canada) Rich cultural cities --_000_728F35AE98AEDB4A96FF3A32A85A60BB7AFB66BEeusaamb105erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you for the opportunity to provide input.=

In general, please do not select destinations that a= re remote or need 3-4 flights from a major airport.

Your list is ok as far as flight options. The input = I provide below is on the social/lifestyle/safety aspects of the city, etc.=

 

Ottawa

 

Why not Vancouver to make it easy on the Asian parti= cipants.  Vancouver is a very diverse city with agreeable climate and = excellent cuisine.

San Francisco

 

Always a perfect destination

Austin, TX

 

Good choice, too, but hard to find hotels.

Barcelona

 

Not first choice

Boston

 

bad choice.  Always congested and expensive.

Busan

 

Most westerners do not find a good choice of food in= this town.  Been through that before.

Calgary

 

Ok but not easy to fly to.

Denver

 

Good, as long as you stay in the downtown area. = ;

Helsinki

 

Very good as long as it is a SUMMER meeting

Houston

 

Not a top choice

New Orleans

 

Not a top choice. 

Osaka

 

Not a top choice. 

Philadelphia

 

Congested and some areas on the fringes of the city = are not safe.

Washington DC

Very good and diverse in all aspects. 

 

 

Suggested other destina= tions

 

Amsterdam, Vienna, Berlin, Paris, Vancouver (Cana= da)

Rich cultural cities

 

--_000_728F35AE98AEDB4A96FF3A32A85A60BB7AFB66BEeusaamb105erics_-- From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:20:34 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F93A12EBEF for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FHTcfb22c38e for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6299712EBB1 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=402; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1491934802; x=1493144402; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=k7RORf+tXWNd9R3wXxHMQEpd18qKKCsOU18fPdI0l8I=; b=TZ+PBDw6jxwTuYiUDoKipp6IQ5qK87Gb6lD4mYZHy6oVb4vOI/H5F4hI W7eYSjAJDuLiYE6q4Slw4hnBCbSPNkDE8w1WKNu/rIA5CXw32F3eum4v+ 46WioCOWB0XPKajabWwX3xOKuRGzT+rEqPtAGq1bPmuq8Gp2KN/5p4yss 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0C0EwDNHO1Y/49dJa07IRwBAQQBAQoBA?= =?us-ascii?q?YNTgXONcpEvlXeCD4oIPxgBAgEBAQEBAQFrHQuFVlEBPkInBIojmSiSLop6AQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQYBAQEBAQEBIYhVCYpsgjEFnH8Bkl2BZwGPXJQAAR84gQVbFVIBhkiJPYENA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.37,186,1488844800"; d="scan'208";a="406863452" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:00 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (xch-rtp-005.cisco.com [64.101.220.145]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIK0Yw003132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:00 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (64.101.220.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:00 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:19:59 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: San Francisco Thread-Index: AQHSsvA7GWQ/B2Ia1UO/GkuPdYVZ9g== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:19:59 +0000 Message-ID: <468A0896-2249-46E1-B014-CC7DD0DA3ED5@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8F5942926FDC594E85A43D84BC20E47C@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] San Francisco X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:32 -0000 The hassle and uncertainty of entering the US is higher than the value of b= eing at IETF. I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay.=20 From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:20:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDEB12EBB0 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RreVgA2_1osI for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBB3512EB94 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=133; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1491934803; x=1493144403; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=g8OaTplYhxBs/x5gBPbkIbopAEtuZRWGOikSArX2Ao8=; b=Swvu/zMLx0MuF1TZdXlQsGhntLq5+HGQbFcfJhLw2Yj82pes5hT2zQ4Z 9W8XQzcYsCf38CToqZoCmGZCSsiA9PQdHfaoB05o37mhiSX3hFU85JXNV iX97z7kzmV+F2FKbu7Dys8CR4h7zWh7nIzqixLB6Rgjs5+71Ezub9nER9 A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BBAQB5He1Y/4gNJK08IBoBAQEBAgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEIAQEBAYNTgXONcqIghCJkgg+KCD8YAQIBAQEBAQEBax0LhVZRAT5CJwSKI5k?= =?us-ascii?q?mki6KegEBAQEGAQEBAQEBIohVinWCMQWcfwGSXYFnAY9cg2uQFQEfOIEFWxVSA?= =?us-ascii?q?YZIiT2BDQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.37,186,1488844800"; d="scan'208";a="407806273" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:03 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-002.cisco.com (xch-rtp-002.cisco.com [64.101.220.142]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIK2gx019826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:02 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-002.cisco.com (64.101.220.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:02 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:01 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Busan Thread-Index: AQHSsvA8mAWYn1aBkE6wgcyBjrNjwQ== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: <4BD6915C-E72E-41EA-8DD9-E7AC22C6EDA4@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2D74024E4335B44CA7441384ADF6FC51@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Busan X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:34 -0000 Traveling to Busan takes much longer than going to Seoul. I am not keen on = meeting there but I would go to a meeting there.=20 From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:20:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A6712EBEF for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dfDXhGoT46QP for ; 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d="scan'208";a="231694133" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:07 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (xch-rtp-004.cisco.com [64.101.220.144]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIK7vj023891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:07 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:06 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:06 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Helsinki Thread-Index: AQHSsvA+9wK4JF6ppkGLa765Sp8Jcw== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:06 +0000 Message-ID: <02326815-C00B-43A4-BC6F-9FEBEFB45046@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <17BEB899EC30444E84B0F03DEB67DD62@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Helsinki X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:38 -0000 Helsinki would be an excellent location From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:20:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D86127843 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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d="scan'208";a="410796302" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:05 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (xch-rtp-005.cisco.com [64.101.220.145]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIK4hC014084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:05 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (64.101.220.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:04 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:04 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Houston Thread-Index: AQHSsvA9IVjBwWVNoE2FiEOmZNpMKQ== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:03 +0000 Message-ID: <08A28FDD-216B-498A-B16B-66B5347458B4@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2CD27AC3FC37C646B3EF7AEABDF59772@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Houston X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:46 -0000 The hassle and uncertainty of entering the US is higher than the value of b= eing at IETF. I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay.=20 From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:21:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A053B12EBD4 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l2T0oNMp-v13 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EAA012945C for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=402; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1491934810; x=1493144410; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=k7RORf+tXWNd9R3wXxHMQEpd18qKKCsOU18fPdI0l8I=; b=ZsJIn8qsTCgF3nkFYhpb+x03azUiMN0nfAi0pRt0yHio0MlxC/RGAO7a M71BNrfk8Rx+WUqkcvrEsjXqRsLL0y23ligSi4uN8t/hhR274bg6GEFuU 4IW+p2CfYtnv+3Mqm3yDcg4COZDZ/06JWHS9QB6VqoZ6Mt4GPCxIr5fN+ Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BAAQDHHe1Y/49dJa08IBoBAQEBAgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEIAQEBAYNTgXONcqcmgg+KCD8YAQIBAQEBAQEBax0LhVZRAT5CJwSKI5kmki6?= =?us-ascii?q?KegEBAQEGAQEBAQEBASGIVYp1gjEFnH8Bkl2BZwGPXJQAAR84gQVbFVIBhkiJP?= =?us-ascii?q?YENAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.37,186,1488844800"; d="scan'208";a="410633638" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:10 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (xch-rtp-005.cisco.com [64.101.220.145]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIK9pi003429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:09 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (64.101.220.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:09 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:08 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Washington DC Thread-Index: AQHSsvBAY1CJiMy+PUqCB02CqLhL5g== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:08 +0000 Message-ID: <5816FBD6-FA57-4D5F-841A-1CD6E6AAD2B4@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4B622515CE87A24B8A47F50713C82560@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Washington DC X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:47 -0000 The hassle and uncertainty of entering the US is higher than the value of b= eing at IETF. I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay.=20 From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:21:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B26A12EBBF for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SdRm4lEaztry for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 492C312EBE8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=402; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1491934815; x=1493144415; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=k7RORf+tXWNd9R3wXxHMQEpd18qKKCsOU18fPdI0l8I=; b=fng7r4MlYPJu9CChUj5pLghBK8tEnA1Vu+GhRzYxQ8K7UXICEGPFk0Bp DGcbXp8RIaIUnPtihDWRSTH5kyQI0YdytjCXJ5+IEiLveSDukj0f83Aq0 dwiK3t54yG1LVZhPOOv+e0xGaonEvVzhakoL4qGJCajbayUte8ugvboFG g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BJDQB5He1Y/40NJK07IRwBAQQBAQoBA?= =?us-ascii?q?YNTgXONcqcmgg+KCD8YAQIBAQEBAQEBax0LhVZRAT5CJwSKI5kmki6KegEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?GAQEBAQEBASGIVYJriAqCMQWcfwGSXYFnAY9clAABHziBBVsVUgGGSIk9gQ0BA?= =?us-ascii?q?QE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.37,186,1488844800"; d="scan'208";a="408980865" Received: from alln-core-8.cisco.com ([173.36.13.141]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:14 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (xch-rtp-004.cisco.com [64.101.220.144]) by alln-core-8.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIKE63005312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:14 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:13 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:13 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Orleans Thread-Index: AQHSsvBD/cDXATNYZEKx0DxoChg/0w== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:13 +0000 Message-ID: <3E5C9F22-095D-49CD-BAB5-7F5EFAC64480@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] New Orleans X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:52 -0000 The hassle and uncertainty of entering the US is higher than the value of b= eing at IETF. I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay.=20 From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:21:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333AD12EBF8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bJcyRkvx1ucw for ; 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d="scan'208";a="13721969" Received: from rcdn-core-7.cisco.com ([173.37.93.143]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:16 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (xch-rtp-005.cisco.com [64.101.220.145]) by rcdn-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIKGHC003570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:16 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (64.101.220.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:15 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:15 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Barcelona Thread-Index: AQHSsvBEN+3DYr5cMEuVTkJJoXxDRg== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:15 +0000 Message-ID: <829E0C49-65B7-4650-8033-5B6ACD2A35CF@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Barcelona X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:55 -0000 Barcelona would be an excellent location From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:21:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E3512EBC8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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d="scan'208";a="231688171" Received: from alln-core-12.cisco.com ([173.36.13.134]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:19 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-002.cisco.com (xch-rtp-002.cisco.com [64.101.220.142]) by alln-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIKICi006681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:19 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-002.cisco.com (64.101.220.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:18 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:18 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Philadelphia Thread-Index: AQHSsvBFTdjiAQ+dQ0KaLxWS2NJdmA== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:17 +0000 Message-ID: <0AC97FE3-2A5D-45F6-81E4-6CE67C687F59@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8F31F9B0913CA2408CF0C2F9D88C805B@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Philadelphia X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:58 -0000 The hassle and uncertainty of entering the US is higher than the value of b= eing at IETF. I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay.=20 From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:21:29 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C7D12EB9D for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P_iFtvBLJYgw for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C421612EBC7 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:20:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=108; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1491934829; x=1493144429; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=IKbLVz8BxKuh3XG5/AcTmBDX4l1OiTiqiNT0SFUrxH8=; b=OAv1hQ+xTyUHc4L5td27a6N7PJj1pv6+af0jwwZiMl6BKBUhxU3v6vny 6/etV7F953XhZhQ0U5q8okgZAFwbGaknRYKeZxtViFAgbNf25NbnkXRk5 pqQODIF6QngYSnaLQWLEPyygcius3+3kYolwppEfCQGoGm9t91DIZC83D k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BRDQDzHe1Y/4cNJK07IRwBAQQBAQoBA?= =?us-ascii?q?YNTgXONcqIghCJkgg+KCD8YAQIBAQEBAQEBax0LhVZRAT5CJwSKI5kmki6KegE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEGAQEBAQEBIohVinWCMQWcfwGSXYFnAY9cg2uQFQEfOIEFWxVSAYZIiT2BD?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.37,186,1488844800"; d="scan'208";a="409716346" Received: from alln-core-2.cisco.com ([173.36.13.135]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Apr 2017 18:20:28 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (xch-rtp-003.cisco.com [64.101.220.143]) by alln-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BIKS7n020329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:28 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (64.101.220.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:27 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:20:27 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Osaka Thread-Index: AQHSsvBLQy4A2zsk9kmosY+oF1Srlw== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:20:27 +0000 Message-ID: <92B97BE3-D615-4E90-BC0C-6877D54A8747@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Osaka X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:21:11 -0000 Osaka would work but due to time to travel I would prefer Tokyo or Yokoham= a. 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I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay.=20 From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:21:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F9C12EBF7 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:21:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1SRtjdmhzp0 for ; 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d="scan'208";a="409717097" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Apr 2017 18:21:47 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (xch-rtp-005.cisco.com [64.101.220.145]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BILkCb027645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:21:47 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (64.101.220.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:21:46 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:21:46 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Boston Thread-Index: AQHSsvB69xHrBnIYAUCltCYSPb9kkw== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:21:46 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Boston X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:22:59 -0000 The hassle and uncertainty of entering the US is higher than the value of b= eing at IETF. I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay. From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:23:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0AE12EC19 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:23:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzwlfqJoT9_e for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8051E12EBFB for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:21:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=400; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1491934907; x=1493144507; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=1/+yntDd79r47Y/BNKJBP9LkUm2CyGd67KrsUVl6apw=; b=FBBvI9ysnQLN0gMOFVp5tbFPtEsgjAC9dGHBGpBH5v5OCvfnV5+K+60w C82Y1Pdgb3sjr9kEH0HvyYSPQ6Xh071CSoVl4RB7CTG+0zCZdrR6JAx90 Dm+19r4lFxx49xQIdQGscY3bdFQSeVJbysEfGsydP1huHuqJoCqaftrNz g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CrAgDzHe1Y/4MNJK1cHAEBBAEBCgEBg?= =?us-ascii?q?1OBc41ykS+QcYQiZIIPigg/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsdC4VWUQE+QicEiiOZJpIuino?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBBgEBAQEBAQEhiFUJimyCMQWcfwGSXYFnAY9cg2uQFQEfOIEFWxVSAYZIi?= =?us-ascii?q?T2BDQEBAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.37,186,1488844800"; d="scan'208";a="221298197" Received: from alln-core-1.cisco.com ([173.36.13.131]) by rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Apr 2017 18:21:46 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (xch-rtp-004.cisco.com [64.101.220.144]) by alln-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BILkpB021205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:21:46 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:21:46 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:21:45 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Austin Thread-Index: AQHSsvB6HgMhJdfVB0W9vXHVkrp6gg== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:21:45 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Austin X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:23:00 -0000 The hassle and uncertainty of entering the US is higher than the value of b= eing at IETF. I don't plan on coming to US for IETF until the border situat= ion changes. Given the large number of people that feel this way, I suspect= that many complicated decisions made at a US based IETF meeting will simpl= y be rediscussed at the following IETF meeting resulting in a significant d= elay.= From nobody Tue Apr 11 11:23:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BC212EBBF for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.823 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hIDyC2fCtLoQ for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54C6012956D for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 11:21:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=898; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1491934917; x=1493144517; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:content-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=R+zyB6qlqssUUBns0WQz3e27pSb/PwYKhUK5hy+5d2A=; b=UKlBiQKCY5Qlk9DayrUpjhrbMlLPSNMeMx47MtLtkAjSIlxLUGWm7naK s3IubpjThEMCwKasEIJh29IMrWbn+ONq1UjX4wiwXSNOROAKpQH6Cq7eO GYyxsMdhDbzla1pRSRM7CaHfU49hHJNIOhg20URXZkT0F3yKvEbC4b9w8 U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0CrAgBAHu1Y/5JdJa1cHAEBBAEBCgEBg?= =?us-ascii?q?1OBc41ykS+QcYQiZIIPigg/GAECAQEBAQEBAWsdC4VWUQE+QicEiiOZJpIuino?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBBgEBAQEBASKIVQmBWYU/g1SCMQWJKpNVAZJdhTSMEINrkBUBHziBBVsVU?= =?us-ascii?q?gGGSIk9gQ0BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.37,186,1488844800"; d="scan'208";a="406864519" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 11 Apr 2017 18:21:56 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (xch-rtp-005.cisco.com [64.101.220.145]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v3BILuAJ016513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:21:56 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) by XCH-RTP-005.cisco.com (64.101.220.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:21:55 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com ([64.101.220.144]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:21:55 -0400 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "venue-selection@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Calgary Thread-Index: AQHSsvB/MWWGMNNkA0ahBe8cwHnVGw== Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:21:55 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3772CE6E46DDF340ABF8BC4088821A3E@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Venue-selection] Calgary X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:23:11 -0000 I live in Calgary and I think Calgary would work well. I would be happy to = be contacted with any questions from folks looking at Calgary. The downtown core has very good data connectivity due to all the oil compan= ies just deciding to wire all the buildings. There are direct flights to Amsterdam Frankfurt Glasgow London Manchester Zurich Tokyo Seoul Munich Paris Beijing Cuba Toronto Vancouver Mexico City, Denver Chicago Dallas-Fort Worth Houston Newark Portland San Diego Seattle=20 San Francisco Both Toronto and Vancouver have flights to tons of places.=20 In many ways, Vancouver may be a better location but the if you are looking= for something different, Calgary is very cheap right now - basically the C= algary economy follows the price of Oil which is current low making hotels = and other things pretty cheap in Calgary right now. From nobody Tue Apr 11 12:14:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C8812EC8D for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:14:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yezW0jWAYWXA for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 185D412EC8A for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.70] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1cy1FV-0009It-4c for venue-selection@ietf.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2017 15:14:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 15:14:39 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: venue-selection@ietf.org Message-ID: <7E09D68385A08359125B2A62@PSB> In-Reply-To: <87C934A6-A4A8-41A4-A849-B0EDE8D234FF@gmail.com> References: <149096990336.4276.3480662759931758139.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <87C934A6-A4A8-41A4-A849-B0EDE8D234FF@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.70 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC requesting input on (potential) meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 19:14:48 -0000 Hi. I am going to follow instructions and not clutter up the IETF list, partially because I don't have time to engage in a lengthy discussion about this and believe the original note made it clear that no such discussion was really wanted. Whether that is wise or appropriate or not is another question, as is how the meeting site selection process is organized, transparency to the community, etc. First, as long as the questions that are being asked are about decisions made three to five years out, while a knee-jerk reaction about US policies is understandable, it makes little rational sense. Even the initial, most-stupid, version of the Trump travel ban was only supposed to last 120 days -- four months, not four years -- what would have come next is only a matter of guesswork. One can imagine even worse, but one can equally imagine the courts and congress hobbling Trump sufficiently that he casts blame on others and moves on. More important, that is a six month or a year story, not three to five years. Further down the road, does anyone have a way to guarantee that, given Brexit and battles over immigration in assorted countries, the Schengen agreements will be unchanged, especially for non-EU citizen moving across borders, four years hence. Or that Catalonia won't succeed in withdrawing from Spain, possibly creating a Catexit situation and even more confusion, thereby turning Barcelona into as much of a problem as anywhere in the US? My conclusion from the above is a variation on what I (and, I think, Pete Resnick) tried to say during the BOF: IAOC really needs to think through the circumstances under which you/we would want to cancel or move a meeting based on unexpected events around a year or less before the scheduled meeting. Those contingency plan models, whatever they might be, are far move appropriate and relevant to political situations that can change rapidly (including the question of whether IETF 98 should have been called off or moved) than trying to make meeting plans several years out based on what might or might not happen in some real or alternate reality. That doesn't mean that there aren't places we can sensibly forecast, even several years out, as being problematic.. but I didn't see Damascus or even a winter meeting in Thule or Edmonton on the list of cities being considered. Looking at the list, some things are striking that relate to our traditional criteria of local IETF participation and easy accessibility. Of the US cities, some are easy to get to from a range of international locations, others are not. It is surprising to not see Minneapolis, Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver on the list -- we've met in all of those places with good results and all have good international air connections. By contrast, I've been to meetings in Busan -- nice place, but very hard to reach from North America, Europe, etc., without transfers within Asia (and I've be a little surprised if they really ad the facilities for an IETF meeting). Times of year, not specified in the inquiry, are also important, e.g., my recollection is that Calgary in mid-winter can make Minneapolis look like a resort area and neither Houston nor Hew Orleans are particularly good choices during hurricane season. Helsinki would be fine, facilities permitting, but so would Stockholm or Olso. If the latter are not on the list because of cost, I've got deep questions about San Francisco. It may be just a bias, but I've found New Orleans as a destination for a working meeting (as distinct from a fun place to visit and play) just above Las Vegas on my "don't try that" list... and it is harder to get to than Vegas. Given what is and is not included and nothing the presence of cities in which we've had, already firmly scheduled, meetings, I can't help wondering if this list is based more on having the community agree with decisions already tentatively made than on asking an open set of questions and getting community advice. Boston does now have appropriate facilties now (and Danvers should no more be considered than Manchester (any of the five or more in New England, but I'm thinking about the one with the airport. I've been involved in larger meetings than IETF in the Seaport area in the last few years with, apparently, good success and few complaints (although I can probably list things our community would find to complain about). Personally, a meeting that close to home would probably guarantee craziness, but it would probably be a reasonable choice and does have reasonable train and air connections to and from plausible places in the US as well as nonstop flights to, e.g., Beijing, Tokyo, and several locations in Europe. best, john From nobody Mon Apr 17 12:28:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: venue-selection@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F31E1317A8 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:28:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ipv-sx.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jYg9_p6qEOr0 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x232.google.com (mail-wm0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6054F1317A7 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x232.google.com with SMTP id u2so38557158wmu.0 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ipv-sx.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MswdsKbdH9r7TGYqE6CVmb782w5YOGvWWgDzXhpz6DE=; b=hojdaT9AgflV0sIPCkPTfN0dydicUPmcP6D+1cgMfcZwhEfH8TkzdhtfxjLzEe6mwL V0lTYsQbOLGGgDzp4wGgQYkV8oVl3gfaP/LZqr0jnfLE4Txw1MioGci2usk+uCdxt6hW 9QV/i4sekTfaXyf5D4yPnrnSC0FhQx0oPp5LgkK4kekIsIR79WFCd0LBUyUas5DCWW9i IV3He4dGaIWb4siYaH3CBiSlD6Z61PuhVXo71K+W+mj20mIUQ3udhB0V02T80B0BD0em 0mVkhKG+CwUkdmfIY6J8unlbG02aqbuchknyBwJb64m5YTUj3rOjC9Qy72IIIlVHFJPS uh8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=MswdsKbdH9r7TGYqE6CVmb782w5YOGvWWgDzXhpz6DE=; b=JutQj8jvQ7pJdzrW90MJ6nuFmuIsw3DCdWxZ88LDiCpO7uEIVtRN8m2pl6dOOL4YZM ey3XEEaI6m4S8kKy3tO63vpUHP6gh4Qd/1n6ANAR+uZJ+3PhK9GKOUEXLGx3wko1JAQL BGW5ZcziL+Tjc768A6YPs0qrxHoDmkqOUdg0UAY22/yKaav2II3wbgux+yjQXE2WSnGn 0+gfxsMcenimQifCg9J8hl9JHtipM2cZpt8AyOZKyz+Lfr+aVYQOImnGd3TdgX70Yo7Y W6EPJDuTCHsnLQCYsODliy5uc1rfV3/ta0AW++jfl3FIhzadYFftsep4SGJ+O257hg/B GEhQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/6CxO3alx4JD5iYa4Xw2uyplk5CLBOOEy7qi9ogsdpayyUJt/by emRudrdC48+eXrHdBDsVkS2fP1RLMYHiZTw= X-Received: by 10.28.66.74 with SMTP id p71mr10226827wma.131.1492457329036; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:28:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.40.65 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:28:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20160620153508.30147.95092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160620153508.30147.95092.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Richard Barnes Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 15:28:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: venue-selection@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c074aaaf0c594054d61cc25 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Venue-selection] IAOC seeking input on possible IETF meeting cities X-BeenThere: venue-selection@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Venue Selection List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:28:54 -0000 --94eb2c074aaaf0c594054d61cc25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi IAOC, I realize I'm way past the deadline here, but here's some feedback anyway: 1. With regard to currently scheduled cities: I am not aware of problems with the cities listed. 2. With regard to the new cities: As far as I know, Bangkok, Madrid, and Sydney are all fairly standard business centers, and should be fine for an IETF meeting. (Assuming no further political unrest, in Thailand especially.) I'm not familiar with Daejeon. Looking at what's available on the Internet, it looks like a pain to get to, with most routes going through Seoul anyway. Unless there's some other compelling reason to have a meeting here, it seems more sensible just to focus on Seoul again. Hong Kong is a major business and transportation center, but I would be cautious of similar issues to those we faced with the Beijing meeting in terms of intensive security, surveillance, and open Internet access. Macau would raise the same concerns. (To be clear, I do not know if these are issues, but would like for the IAOC to verify if they consider these locations.). Macau also has the disadvantage of mainly being a destination for tourism and gambling, vs. business concerns. I'm concerned that this could cause some participants trouble in getting approvals, and in general, I don't think the IETF should get into the habit of focusing on such places even if they have abundant meeting space. (I would have the same concerns about Las Vegas.) Hope this helps, --Richard On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM, IAOC Chair wrote: > The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF meeting > locations. While we await updated community guidelines for meeting > selection as an outcome of the MTGVENUE discussion, we also need to be able > to move forward with meeting planning future years. > > With this mail, we are soliciting input on a broad list of potential IETF > locations. Our intention is to identify the most promising sites and aim > to keep our meeting planning scoped to those cities for now. > > First, we would like to first confirm whether people perceive any reasons > we could not have a successful meeting in any of the cities we have visited > in the last 3 years, or for which we currently have announced meetings in > the coming years (EXCEPT for Singapore). > . http://www.ietf.org/meeting/past.html (IETF 86 and onward) > . http://www.ietf.org/meeting/upcoming.html > > Please send input to venue-selection@ietf.org. It will help the review > process if the Subject line had the name of the city first, Subject: . > > As there are some cities on that list for which we already have contract > opportunities, city-specific input would be most helpful if received by > June 28, 2016. > > > Second, we would like feedback on some of the new cities we have had under > consideration more generally. We seek community input on reasons we could > not have a successful meeting in any of the following cities, or of any > limits to attendee accessibility or inclusiveness that should be considered: > > Bangkok > Daejeon > Hong Kong > Macau > Madrid > Sydney > > Again, please send input to venue-selection@ietf.org. It will help the > review process if the Subject line had the name of the city first, Subject: > . For these cities, input would be most helpful if received by July > 15, 2016. > > As a reminder, venue-selection@ietf.org is a dropbox e-mail address: its > archive is publicly visible, but subscription is not available. > > Thanks, > Leslie, for the IAOC. > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Leslie Daigle > Principal, ThinkingCat Enterprises LLC > ldaigle@thinkingcat.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --94eb2c074aaaf0c594054d61cc25 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi IAOC,

I realize I'm w= ay past the deadline here, but here's some feedback anyway:

1. With regard to currently scheduled cities: I am not aw= are of problems with the cities listed.

2. With re= gard to the new cities:

As far as I know, Bangkok,= Madrid, and Sydney are all fairly standard business centers, and should be= fine for an IETF meeting.=C2=A0 (Assuming no further political unrest, in = Thailand especially.)

I'm not familiar wit= h Daejeon.=C2=A0 Looking at what's available on the Internet, it looks = like a pain to get to, with most routes going through Seoul anyway.=C2=A0 U= nless there's some other compelling reason to have a meeting here, it s= eems more sensible just to focus on Seoul again.

Hong Kong is a major business and transportation center, but I would be = cautious of similar issues to those we faced with the Beijing meeting in te= rms of intensive security, surveillance, and open Internet access.=C2=A0 Ma= cau would raise the same concerns. (To be clear, I do not know if these are= issues, but would like for the IAOC to verify if they consider these locat= ions.).

Macau also has the disadvantage of mainly = being a destination for tourism and gambling, vs. business concerns.=C2=A0 = I'm concerned that this could cause some participants trouble in gettin= g approvals, and in general, I don't think the IETF should get into the= habit of focusing on such places even if they have abundant meeting space.= =C2=A0 (I would have the same concerns about Las Vegas.)

Hope this helps,
--Richard




On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM, IAOC Chair <iaoc-chai= r@ietf.org> wrote:
The IAOC remains committed to soliciting input on future IETF me= eting locations.=C2=A0 While we await updated community guidelines for meet= ing selection as an outcome of the MTGVENUE discussion, we also need to be = able to move forward with meeting planning future years.

With this mail, we are soliciting input on a broad list of potential IETF l= ocations.=C2=A0 Our intention is to identify the most promising sites and a= im to keep our meeting planning scoped to those cities for now.

First, we would like to first confirm whether people perceive any reasons w= e could not have a successful meeting in any of the cities we have visited = in the last 3 years, or for which we currently have announced meetings in t= he coming years (EXCEPT for Singapore).
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . http://www.ietf.org/meeting/past.html (IETF 86 and onward)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 . http://www.ietf.org/meeting/u= pcoming.html

Please send input to venue-selection@ietf.org.=C2=A0 It will help the review process= if the Subject line had the name of the city first, Subject: <city>.=

As there are some cities on that list for which we already have contract op= portunities, city-specific input would be most helpful if received by June = 28, 2016.


Second, we would like feedback on some of the new cities we have had under = consideration more generally.=C2=A0 We seek community input on reasons we c= ould not have a successful meeting in any of the following cities, or of an= y limits to attendee accessibility or inclusiveness that should be consider= ed:

Bangkok
Daejeon
Hong Kong
Macau
Madrid
Sydney

Again, please send input to venue-selection@ietf.org.=C2=A0 It will help the review = process if the Subject line had the name of the city first, Subject: <ci= ty>.=C2=A0 =C2=A0For these cities, input would be most helpful if receiv= ed by July 15, 2016.

As a reminder, venue-selection@ietf.org is a dropbox e-mail address:=C2=A0 its archi= ve is publicly visible, but subscription is not available.

Thanks,
Leslie, for the IAOC.
=
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Leslie Daigle
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ldaigle@thinki= ngcat.com
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