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This draft is a work item of the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol Working Group of the IETF.

	Title		: Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol 
	Author(s)	: S. Knight, D. Weaver, D. Whipple, B. Hinden,   
                          D. Mitzel, P. Hunt, P. Higginson,  M. Shand,
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Could someone please just clarify the current work items for this WG?
Looking at this new draft it seems like these are just maintenance changes
with no new functionality, right? If not, could someone please summarise the
new functionality. I think the WG charter needs to be updated to cover this
maintenance activity, regardless.

Thanks,

Andrew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org]
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 3:41 AM
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> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-vrrp-spec-v2-05.txt
> 
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line 
> Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Virtual Router Redundancy 
> Protocol Working Group of the IETF.
> 
> 	Title		: Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol 
> 	Author(s)	: S. Knight, D. Weaver, D. Whipple, B. 
> Hinden,   
>                           D. Mitzel, P. Hunt, P. Higginson,  M. Shand,
>                           A. Lindem
>    	Filename	: draft-ietf-vrrp-spec-v2-05.txt
> 	Pages		: 32
> 	Date		: 05-Jan-00
> 	
> This memo defines the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol (VRRP).
> VRRP specifies an election protocol that dynamically assigns
> responsibility for a virtual router to one of the VRRP routers on a
> LAN.  The VRRP router controlling the IP address(es) associated with
> a virtual router is called the Master, and forwards packets sent to
> these IP addresses.  The election process provides dynamic fail over
> in the forwarding responsibility should the Master become
> unavailable.  This allows any of the virtual router IP addresses on
> the LAN to be used as the default first hop router by end-hosts.  The
> advantage gained from using VRRP is a higher availability default
> path without requiring configuration of dynamic routing or router
> discovery protocols on every end-host.
> 
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-vrrp-spec-v2-05.txt
> 
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> 
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Andrew,

The recent updates to the VRRP spec are part of the process of moving it to 
Draft Standard.  They are not protocol changes.

The new draft updates the security considerations section per the 
suggestions in <draft-rescorla-sec-cons-00.txt>.

Bob


At 10:24 AM 1/6/00 -0800, Andrew Smith wrote:
>Could someone please just clarify the current work items for this WG?
>Looking at this new draft it seems like these are just maintenance changes
>with no new functionality, right? If not, could someone please summarise the
>new functionality. I think the WG charter needs to be updated to cover this
>maintenance activity, regardless.



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The index for a VrrpOperEntry has two parts to it, the vrid and the
ifIndex.   If an "unsigned integer" ( 32 bits ) is used to store the index
( both the vrid and ifIndex),  the ifIndex is limited to 24 bits, since the
vrid can be (1-255).  Can anybody tell me if this would be a proper
implementation?


Thanks,
Rick England




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On Friday, January 07, 2000 at 15:41 EST,
Richard_England@ne.3com.com writes:

>> The index for a VrrpOperEntry has two parts to it, the vrid and the
>> ifIndex.   If an "unsigned integer" ( 32 bits ) is used to store the index
>> ( both the vrid and ifIndex),  the ifIndex is limited to 24 bits, since the
>> vrid can be (1-255).  Can anybody tell me if this would be a proper
>> implementation?

internal to your router implementation, if 24 bits is sufficient to
represent an interface index and you want to use a single 32 bit
integer as key/index into your table then I think you're free to
do that.  however as the INDEX of an SNMP MIB table I believe these
are treated and encoded as two objects.  the SMI document [rfc2578] 
should discuss how to map each of the objects to form its portion of the 
instance identifier (both the ifIndex and VrId are underlying 
integer-valued).  once the instance identifier is formed then 
things proceed as normal: assign OID as the name VarBind in some 
SNMP PDU [rfc1905] and encode/serialize for transmission [ISO ASN.1 BER].

danny



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Hi Ifat,

re: questions about the "vrrpOperAuthKey" object in the VRRP MIB:

you wrote:
> What I meant was that in the ADV. packet there are 4 octets reserved for 
authentication data. (Actualy 2 four octets for two authentication data.) 
> So how come that the authentication key in the MIB can be up to 16 octets? 
Aren't authentication key and authentication data the same thing?

=============

I think the confusion arises from the fact that any AH data would be carried in 
the IP packet separate from the VRRP advertisement packet. Thus, if AH is used 
to provide security for VRRP, the mechanisms that make it work are the ones 
provided by IPSec - not anything provided by the VRRP implementation. So there 
would be no AH-related data in the advertisement packets - it would all be 
present in the IP packet carrying the advertisement packet and would be 
processed prior to reaching the VRRP router. So, in this area, the VRRP MIB 
mainly functions to allow configuration of AH security if a user chooses to do 
so.

Also, check section 5.3.10 of the latest VRRP Spec. Draft. It indicates that the 
Authentication Data field is used for "simple text authentication" only.

In reality, a user would probably use an IPSec MIB (when one becomes a standard) 
to configure AH security between to VRRP routers, and the vrrpOperAuthKey object 
provides a redundant means to set the key.

The VRRP RFC does not provide much information in the area of security. I think 
efforts are underway to enhance this section of the RFC.

-Brian


> Hello again,
> 	Concerning my former question:
> 3) The definition of  vrrpOperAuthKey ( page 19) states that the key length 
can 
> be up to 16 octets, but isn't it true that in the Adv. packet there's space 
only 
> for 4 octets(   	according to RFC 2338 section 5.1 )?
> 
> What I meant was that in the ADV. packet there are 4 octets reserved for 
authentication data. (Actualy 2 four octets for two authentication data.) 
> So how come that the authentication key in the MIB can be up to 16 octets? 
Aren't authentication key and authentication data the same thing?
> Thanks, 
> 	Ifat.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Brian Jewell [SMTP:bjewell@3com.com]
> > Sent:	> ו 07 ינואר 2000 17:37
> > To:	DoronS@radware.com; IfatG@radware.co.il
> > Cc:	bjewell@ewd.3Com.com
> > Subject:	Re: vrrp mib definitaions
> > 
> > Hi Ifat,
> > 
> > Here's the answers to your questions:
> > 
> > 1) and 2) Actually, VRID does not uniquely identify a VR. In Section
> >    3.0, RFC 2338 indicates that a VRID can be re-used, as long as
> >    it is used on a different LAN - which essentially means a
> >    different IfIndex. So, to uniquely identify rows in the  
> >    tables (or to uniquely identify a virtual router), both the VRID and 
> >    the IfIndex is required.
> >  
> > 3) vrrpOperAuthKey can be set via SNMP. It is never contained in a VRRP
> >    advertisement. I think this is your concern, but let me know if
> >    I'm wrong.
> >  
> > 4) The "vrrpOperAuthKey" always returns a NULL octet string when read
> >    for security; Don't want SNMP managers to be able to read this key.
> >    
> > Hope this answers your questions, but let me know if you need more 
information. 
> > I would appreciate maybe being able to use you as a reference as the MIB 
moves 
> > toward draft standard and there is a call for people who have implemented 
the 
> > MIB.
> > 
> > -Brian 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I'm about to implement the VRRP, and have some questions concerning the 
MIB 
> > definitaions in draft-ietf-vrrp-mib-09.txt:
> > > 
> > > 1) Why is ifIndex a part of the index of vrrpOperEntry ( Doesn't 
vrrpOperVrId 
> > define the entry uniqly ) ?
> > > 
> > > 2) Why is ifIndex a part of the index of vrrpAssoIpAddrEntry ( Don't  
> > vrrpOperVrId+vrrpAssoIpAddr define the entry uniqly ) ?
> > > 
> > > 3) The definition of vrrpOperAuthKey ( page 19) states that the key length 
can 
> > be up to 16 octets, but isn't it true that in the Adv. packet there's space 
only 
> > for 4 octets(   	according to RFC 2338 section 5.1 )?
> > > 
> > > 4) This same definition of  vrrpOperAuthKey ( page 19) states that "When 
read, 
> > vrrpOperAuthKey always returns an Octet String of length zero." - Do you 
mean by 
> > that that  	in the returned Octet String the value in the length field will 
> > not match the real length of the string in the string field? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks a lot,
> > > 	Ifat Gaabay.
> > > 
> 


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The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'Definitions of Managed
Objects for the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol'
<draft-ietf-vrrp-mib-09.txt> as a Proposed Standard.  This document is
the product of the Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol Working Group.
The IESG contact persons are David Oran and Rob Coltun.
 
 
Technical Summary
 
 This specification defines an extension to the Management Information
 Base (MIB) for use with SNMP-based network management.  In
 particular, it defines objects for configuring, monitoring, and
 controlling routers that employ the Virtual Router Redundancy
 Protocol (VRRP) specified in RFC 2338.

Working Group Summary

The working group supports advancement of this draft. There was
no significant dissent.

Protocol Quality

This draft has been reviewed by Bert Wijnen and Rob Coltun for the IESG.

There are a number of implementations.


Note to RFC Editor:

The IESG respectfully requests the following changes be made:

- On page 19
  OLD:
    vrrpOperAuthType OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX       INTEGER {
            noAuthentication(1),       -- VRRP protocol exchanges are not
                                       -- authenticated.
            simpleTextPassword(2),     -- Exchanges are authenticated by a
                                       -- clear text password.
            ipAuthenticationHeader(3)  -- Exchanges are authenticated using
                                       -- the IP authentication header.
        }
        MAX-ACCESS   read-create
        STATUS       current
        DESCRIPTION
            "Authentication type used for VRRP protocol exchanges between
            virtual routers. This value of this object is the same for a
            given ifIndex."
        DEFVAL       { noAuthentication }
        ::= { vrrpOperEntry 9 }
  NEW:
    vrrpOperAuthType OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX       INTEGER {
            noAuthentication(1),       -- VRRP protocol exchanges are not
                                       -- authenticated.
            simpleTextPassword(2),     -- Exchanges are authenticated by a
                                       -- clear text password.
            ipAuthenticationHeader(3)  -- Exchanges are authenticated using
                                       -- the IP authentication header.
        }
        MAX-ACCESS   read-create
        STATUS       current
        DESCRIPTION

            "Authentication type used for VRRP protocol exchanges between
            virtual routers. This value of this object is the same for a
            given ifIndex.

            New enumerations to this list can only be added via a new
            RFC on the standards track."
        DEFVAL       { noAuthentication }
        ::= { vrrpOperEntry 9 }


- On page 20
  OLD:
    vrrpOperProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX   INTEGER {
            ip (1),
            bridge (2),
            decnet (3),
            other (4)
        }
        MAX-ACCESS read-create
        STATUS     current
        DESCRIPTION
            "The particular protocol being controlled by this Virtual
            Router."
        DEFVAL { ip }
        ::= { vrrpOperEntry 14 }

  NEW:
    vrrpOperProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
        SYNTAX   INTEGER {
            ip (1),
            bridge (2),
            decnet (3),
            other (4)
        }
        MAX-ACCESS read-create
        STATUS     current
        DESCRIPTION
            "The particular protocol being controlled by this Virtual
            Router.

            New enumerations to this list can only be added via a new
            RFC on the standards track."
        DEFVAL { ip }
        ::= { vrrpOperEntry 14 }



