From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Fri Jun 2 02:56:53 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com ([216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA25704 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stephens.ittc.ukans.edu [129.237.125.220] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A965874404EE; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 02:51:17 -0400 Received: from simba.ittc.ukans.edu (simba.ittc.ukans.edu [129.237.125.184]) by stephens.ittc.ukans.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/ITTC-NOSPAM-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA24775 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 01:52:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by simba.ittc.ukans.edu (8.8.7/KU-4.0-client) id AAA28812; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:45:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 00:45:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Srinivas Akkipeddi To: vrrp@drcoffsite.com Subject: Startup event & IP addresses Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com hello, we have some doubts in the ietf draft (rfc2338) . In the draft it is mentioned that a virtual router is identified by its VRID and a set of associated IP addresses . Could you please give a condition in a network topology where a virtual router has more than 1 associated address. The other doubt that we had was , it is mentioned a transition from thee initialise state to either the master or backup state is done on receiving a startup event. We would like to know what the startup event means. Thanks akki gautam From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Fri Jun 2 03:11:05 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com ([216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA25885 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shrimp.baynetworks.com [192.32.253.7] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD2B8B6A04EE; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 03:07:23 -0400 Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h8754.s84f5.BayNetworks.COM [132.245.135.84]) by shrimp.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15049; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.CorpIndia.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.corpindia.baynetworks.com [141.251.85.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00179; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 03:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nortelnetworks.com (snail.corpindia.baynetworks.com [141.251.87.19]) by mailhost.CorpIndia.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15564; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 12:33:54 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <39375D4F.DC731ACE@nortelnetworks.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:37:59 +0530 From: Aruneesh Salhotra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Srinivas Akkipeddi CC: vrrp@drcoffsite.com Subject: Re: Startup event & IP addresses References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Srinivas, This is my first effort to send something on VRRP. Hope i will be of help to you. According to VRRP, there is a master and a set of back routers. The VRID identifies a IP address for which are configuring VRRP in order to have backup routers. It may be possible that the master router (say VRID 1) may be the backup router for another master router (say VRID 2). Likewise, consider the case that you have 3 Routers (A,B,C) of critical importance. You reserve another router (D) which will act as a backup for all the three routers. Whenever either of A,B, or C goes down, D will respond to the ARP requests for the failed router. Another scenario could be there are 2 routers (B,C) backing for a router (A). Suppose A goes down, B takes over. If now B goes down, C takes up (which will depend on the priority set for the routers A,B,C). For the init->master or init->backup state, its been sometime that i read that RFC, but the state transition happens which there is an exchange of VRRP advertisments on a multicast address 222.18.0.254 (verify this ?) .... where the routers on which VRRP is configured respond with their proirities. Thus master and backup are decided. Thanx. Hope it helps you. Bye Aruneesh Srinivas Akkipeddi wrote: > hello, > > we have some doubts in the ietf draft (rfc2338) . In the draft it > is mentioned that a virtual router is identified by its VRID and a set of > associated IP addresses . Could you please give a condition in a network > topology where a virtual router has more than 1 associated address. > > The other doubt that we had was , it is mentioned a transition > from thee initialise state to either the master or backup state is done on > receiving a startup event. We would like to know what the startup event > means. > > Thanks > akki > gautam From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Fri Jun 2 13:32:11 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08017 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE014702038C; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:25:21 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id KAA07049; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-VIRSCAN) id KAA14993; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:25:42 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:25:42 -0700 Nokia Silicon Valley Email Exploit Scanner Received: from (spruce.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.1.63]) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com SMTP/WTS (12.69) xma014304; Fri, 2 Jun 00 10:25:27 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000602102116.01edf2f0@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com> X-Sender: hinden@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:23:35 -0700 To: Srinivas Akkipeddi From: Bob Hinden Subject: Re: Startup event & IP addresses Cc: vrrp@drcoffsite.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Akki, > we have some doubts in the ietf draft (rfc2338) . In the draft it >is mentioned that a virtual router is identified by its VRID and a set of >associated IP addresses . Could you please give a condition in a network >topology where a virtual router has more than 1 associated address. When there are more than one prefix configure for the link. This is fairly common in some networks such as web hosting sites. > The other doubt that we had was , it is mentioned a transition >from thee initialise state to either the master or backup state is done on >receiving a startup event. We would like to know what the startup event >means. When router decides to start running VRRP. Bob From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Fri Jun 2 13:37:46 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08119 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 13:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A01D47BB038C; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 13:34:21 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id KAA08205; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-VIRSCAN) id KAA00371; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:35:05 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:35:05 -0700 Nokia Silicon Valley Email Exploit Scanner Received: from (spruce.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.1.63]) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com SMTP/WTS (12.69) xma032254; Fri, 2 Jun 00 10:34:51 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000602102351.020f94b8@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com> X-Sender: hinden@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:33:10 -0700 To: Subodh Nijsure From: Bob Hinden Subject: Re: VRRP implementations... Cc: "'vrrp@drcoffsite.com'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Subodh, >Is their "survey" out there that lists commercial vendors that have >currently implemented VRRP? >/Subodh Nijsure >SkyStream Networks. Please see: ftp:://playground.sun.com/pub/hinden/vrrp/vrrp-implementations.txt This was last updated 12/1998. I believe there are a number of other implementations now. Anyone else who has a VRRP implementation that is not listed, please send me the info and I will update the file. Thanks, Bob From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Fri Jun 2 16:57:51 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA13458 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devmail.dev.tivoli.com [208.230.244.136] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AEA59C50208; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:52:53 -0400 Received: from madev-dns.ma.dev.tivoli.com (madev-dns.ma.dev.tivoli.com [146.84.242.19]) by devmail.dev.tivoli.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13946 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 15:53:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ptasillo (ptasillo.ma.dev.tivoli.com [146.84.242.70]) by madev-dns.ma.dev.tivoli.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23940; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Paul Tasillo" To: Cc: "Paul Tasillo" Subject: VRRP implementation? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 16:56:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm familar with Cisco's flavor of VRRP called HSRP, have other vendors implemented VRRP and do they have mibs for the rfc? Please reply directly b/c I'm not on the list. Thanks in advance, Paul Paul Tasillo Tivoli Systems, Inc. 1 Technology Park Drive Westford, MA 01886 617-693-2077 From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Fri Jun 2 17:23:25 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA14867 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 17:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.12] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A4F18A5D032C; Fri, 02 Jun 2000 17:19:45 -0400 Received: from darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (darkstar.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.5.69]) by mailhost.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-GLGS) with ESMTP id OAA02680; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3-VIRSCAN) id OAA32541; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:20:02 -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:20:02 -0700 Nokia Silicon Valley Email Exploit Scanner Received: from (spruce.iprg.nokia.com [205.226.1.63]) by darkstar.iprg.nokia.com SMTP/WTS (12.69) xma031475; Fri, 2 Jun 00 14:19:37 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000602141432.020f94b8@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com> X-Sender: hinden@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:17:56 -0700 To: "Paul Tasillo" From: Bob Hinden Subject: Re: VRRP implementation? Cc: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com As of last 1998 there were about nine independent implementations. See: ftp://playground.sun.com/pub/hinden/vrrp/vrrp-implementations.txt I am pretty sure there are a bunch more now. Bob At 04:56 PM 6/2/2000 -0400, Paul Tasillo wrote: >I'm familar with Cisco's flavor of VRRP called HSRP, have other vendors >implemented VRRP and do they have mibs for the rfc? >Please reply directly b/c I'm not on the list. > >Thanks in advance, >Paul > >Paul Tasillo >Tivoli Systems, Inc. >1 Technology Park Drive >Westford, MA 01886 >617-693-2077 From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Sat Jun 3 01:10:09 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA22713 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialin156.ottawa.globalserve.net [205.205.36.195] by drcoffsite.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A1DFCFF20500; Sat, 03 Jun 2000 01:04:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 1452 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Jun 2000 05:01:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:01:21 -0400 From: Jerome Etienne To: vrrp@drcoffsite.com Subject: Re: VRRP implementations... Message-ID: <20000603010121.A1386@long-haul.net> Reply-To: jetienne@arobas.net References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000602102351.020f94b8@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000602102351.020f94b8@mailhost.iprg.nokia.com>; from hinden@iprg.nokia.com on Fri, Jun 02, 2000 at 10:33:10AM -0700 Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com On Fri, Jun 02, 2000 at 10:33:10AM -0700, Bob Hinden wrote: > Anyone else who has a VRRP implementation that is not listed, please send > me the info and I will update the file. When i sent the info about my implementation to bob hinden, he encouraged me to send them to the list. It is an opensource implementation of VRRPv2 as specified in rfc2338. It run in userspace under linux. 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Consider a suitiation where there are 2 Routers A,B on a common lan . Some hosts on the lan have the default route set to A and others to B .So there are 2 virtual routers with A being master for one virtual router and B its backup and vice versa . If router A goes down then B becomes the master for both the virtual routers . when B receives an ARP request for virtual router (initially for which A was the master) then which virtual MAC ID does it send in reply to the request . I hope you understand my question . It is a simple one but i could not put it in a better fashion thanks akki ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1301 W 24th Street Ph: 785-840-0350 (home) Apt : #P34 785-864-3041 (off) Lawrence email: kansas-66046 akki@ittc.ukans.edu USA akkipeddi@mailcity.com svinia@eecs.ukans.edu From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Sun Jun 25 15:54:44 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA09995 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southpass.baynetworks.com [134.177.3.16] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A27913D80346; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:50:17 -0400 Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h016b.s86b1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.1.107]) by southpass.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28184; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.61.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25116; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from baynetworks.com ([134.177.4.140]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with ESMTP id PAA06985; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:50:32 -0400 for Message-ID: <39566054.AFD07DF8@baynetworks.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:41:09 -0400 From: Ayikudy Srikanth Reply-To: asrikant@nortelnetworks.com Organization: Nortel Networks Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Srinivas Akkipeddi CC: vrrp@drcoffsite.com Subject: Re: simple doubt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I understand your question. It will send the VRRP MAC of A because it is backing up for router A . Essentially there are 2 VRs in your scenario. VR1 has A has owner and B as backup and VR2 has B has owner and A as backup. VR1 has Mac X and VR2 has Mac Y and so when B is a master and it gets a ARP query with A's IP address, then it will respond with Mac X Hope this clarifies! Srikanth Srinivas Akkipeddi wrote: > Hi , > I have this simple doubt . Consider a suitiation where there are 2 > Routers A,B on a common lan . Some hosts on the lan have the default route > set to A and others to B .So there are 2 virtual routers with A being > master for one virtual router and B its backup and vice versa . If router > A goes down then B becomes the master for both the virtual routers . when > B receives an ARP request for virtual router (initially for which A was > the master) then which virtual MAC ID does it send in reply to the request > . I hope you understand my question . It is a simple one but i could not > put it in a better fashion > thanks > akki > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1301 W 24th Street Ph: 785-840-0350 (home) > Apt : #P34 785-864-3041 (off) > Lawrence email: > kansas-66046 akki@ittc.ukans.edu > USA akkipeddi@mailcity.com > svinia@eecs.ukans.edu From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Mon Jun 26 00:24:37 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA14477 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from baynet.baynetworks.com [134.177.3.20] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A9F86920052; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:20:08 -0400 Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h016b.s86b1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.1.107]) by baynet.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21417; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.CorpIndia.BayNetworks.COM (ns1.corpindia.baynetworks.com [141.251.85.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20513; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nortelnetworks.com (snail.corpindia.baynetworks.com [141.251.87.19]) by mailhost.CorpIndia.BayNetworks.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01012; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:46:01 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <3956D9CA.BBE2B603@nortelnetworks.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:49:22 +0530 From: Aruneesh Salhotra X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Srinivas Akkipeddi CC: vrrp@drcoffsite.com Subject: Re: simple doubt References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Srinivas Surely your question is a simple one. Here lies the solution. There are two points to note in VRRP. 1. There is a VR-ID, for every VRRP address. 2. There is a VMAC address, for every VRRP address (5EA0XXXXXX-YY). **here YY is same as the VR-ID. Now the case you have mentioned will have the following setup. ** Sp. you assign VR-ID 1 to Router A, and VR-ID 2 to Router B. Now A will have two MACs 5EA0XXXXXX-01 (master) & 5EA0XXXXXX-02 (backup). Now A will have two MACs 5EA0XXXXXX-02 (master)& 5EA0XXXXXX-01 (backup). A responds to an ARP request with its First MAC address and B responds to an ARP request with its Second MAC address. Now when Router A goes down, both the MAC addresses which B is responsible for, are activated. When a request for the IP address of A is received, then B responds to the request, with the Second MAC address it has (5EA0XXXXXX-01). Aruneesh Srinivas Akkipeddi wrote: > Hi , > I have this simple doubt . Consider a suitiation where there are 2 > Routers A,B on a common lan . Some hosts on the lan have the default route > set to A and others to B .So there are 2 virtual routers with A being > master for one virtual router and B its backup and vice versa . If router > A goes down then B becomes the master for both the virtual routers . when > B receives an ARP request for virtual router (initially for which A was > the master) then which virtual MAC ID does it send in reply to the request > . I hope you understand my question . It is a simple one but i could not > put it in a better fashion > thanks > akki > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1301 W 24th Street Ph: 785-840-0350 (home) > Apt : #P34 785-864-3041 (off) > Lawrence email: > kansas-66046 akki@ittc.ukans.edu > USA akkipeddi@mailcity.com > svinia@eecs.ukans.edu From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Mon Jun 26 07:03:28 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA29760 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cobra.medialincs.co.kr [210.126.9.1] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A73BA71B0084; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:58:03 -0400 Received: from ysyu (ysyu [210.126.9.192]) by cobra.medialincs.co.kr (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5QAt9I06776 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:55:09 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <001d01bfdf5d$6bd2e880$c0097ed2@medialincs.com> Reply-To: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?wK+/67z2?= From: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?wK+/67z2?= To: Subject: @VRRP-Critical Qustions for implementation. Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:58:11 +0900 Organization: medialincs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by ietf.org id HAA29760 Hello, I have some questions. Some of these are meaningful I think. Sorry for poor english in advance. And hope many people comment about this. Questions are as follows. ------------------------------------------------------------ (Q.1) When one can consider another was failed? (What condition makes it impossible to send vrrp advertisment-msg?) Assume two router runnnig vrrp. Each router has a connection to a WAN. When one consider another was failed? I think as follows. - when physical line disconnected - when router was down (->power off) - when router's software was down or crashed (->power on) Are these condition enough? Assume one router's wan connection is failed(-out of use, whether connected or not) - we have to apply this condition to vrrp operation or not? Is this out of vrrp range or not? ------------------------------------------------------------ (Q.2) When is it useful especially? Is there someone who has specific "vrrp sample configuration" which applied to real network or expected to be applied? (I searched but could't find . I wonder about this very much) ------------------------------------------------------------ (Q.3) Running vrrp on multiple interface Let's assume a router have many interfaces, Should the router be capable of running vrrp on multiple interface simultaneously? This capability is needed? ------------------------------------------------------------ (Q.4) OSPF for fast fail-over in the WAN Even if one runs vrrp between routers which capable of fast fail-detection , I think " real fail-over " is dependant on routing protocol in the wan. (because routing protocol such as rip convergence slowly so can't reroute retun-path fastly in short time.) Right? ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, Yongsu Yu From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Mon Jun 26 10:53:27 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA07609 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southpass.baynetworks.com [134.177.3.16] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD049D4035C; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:47:32 -0400 Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h016b.s86b1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.1.107]) by southpass.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA24816; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.61.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02114; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skibum.engeast (skibum [192.32.138.69]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with SMTP id KAA19421; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:47:59 -0400 for Received: from localhost by skibum.engeast (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04294; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:47:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:47:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Hamayon Mujeeb X-Sender: hmujeeb@skibum To: =?ks_c_5601-1987?B?wK+/67z2?= cc: vrrp@drcoffsite.com Subject: Re: @VRRP-Critical Qustions for implementation. In-Reply-To: <001d01bfdf5d$6bd2e880$c0097ed2@medialincs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com > ------------------------------------------------------------ > (Q.1) When one can consider another was failed? > (What condition makes it impossible to send vrrp advertisment-msg?) If you are asking about "when Backup should consider the Master to be down ?" ... When the Backup does not recieve an advertisement from the Master for Master_Down_Time seconds, it should consider the Master to be Down. The reason is not important. It could be anything stopping the Master to function properly and send out the periodic VRRP advertisement. If you are asking about "when the Master should consider itself to be down (and send a zero-priority advertisement) ? ... It is only when the corresponding IP interface goes down, and the Master is still able to send traffic on the wire. (In cases where power fails, or connection is down or physical line breaks, the Master would not be able to send out anything anyway ...) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > (Q.3) Running vrrp on multiple interface > > Let's assume a router have many interfaces, > Should the router be capable of running vrrp on multiple interface > simultaneously? > This capability is needed? Yes. There should be no restriction ... > ------------------------------------------------------------ > (Q.4) OSPF for fast fail-over in the WAN > > Even if one runs vrrp between routers which capable of fast fail-detection , > I think " real fail-over " is dependant on routing protocol in the wan. > (because routing protocol such as rip convergence slowly > so can't reroute retun-path fastly in short time.) > Right? VRRP is more targeted towards networks which have hosts that are NOT running routing protocols. These hosts have default routes to the gateways in the local LANs, and hence loose connectivity to outside world once the default gateway is down. VRRP solves this problem by allowing multiple routers in the LAN taking responsibilty for the default gateway address(es) without the host knowing about that. I don't see a great advantage of running VRRP and a routing protocol at the same time ... maybe somebody can enlighten me. (Although the routers run routing protocols among themselves, it is the hosts that do not run routing protocols, that benefit from VRRP.) Hamayon Mujeeb Nortel Networks From VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com Tue Jun 27 05:18:05 2000 Received: from drcoffsite.com (dns1.drcoffsite.com [216.177.1.130]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA05351 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cobra.medialincs.co.kr [210.126.9.1] by drcoffsite.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE87D640164; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:06:15 -0400 Received: from ysyu (ysyu [210.126.9.192]) by cobra.medialincs.co.kr (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5R92ZI09452; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:02:46 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <007001bfe016$ecc37cc0$c0097ed2@medialincs.com> Reply-To: =?Windows-1252?B?wK+/67z2?= From: =?Windows-1252?B?wK+/67z2?= To: Cc: Subject: out of vrrp-range ? 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mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h016b.s86b1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.1.107]) by southpass.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15642; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.61.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02574; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skibum.engeast (skibum [192.32.138.69]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with SMTP id NAA13343; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:52:44 -0400 for Received: from localhost by skibum.engeast (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05458; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:52:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:52:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Hamayon Mujeeb X-Sender: hmujeeb@skibum To: =?Windows-1252?B?wK+/67z2?= cc: vrrp@drcoffsite.com Subject: Re: out of vrrp-range ? In-Reply-To: <007001bfe016$ecc37cc0$c0097ed2@medialincs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01BFE062.4F1D4B80" Content-ID: Precedence: bulk Sender: VRRP-owner@drcoffsite.com This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BFE062.4F1D4B80 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=Windows-1252 Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, [Windows-1252] =C0=AF=BF=EB=BC=F6 wrote: > (Q.1) > " When Router R-4 goes down, should MR-2 consider itself to be down or no= t? " > " Is it out of vrrp-range ? " According to the standard, yes, it is out of vrrp-range. VRRP has no interaction with the routing protocols so it does not have any way of knowing if R4 went down. Hamayon >=20 >=20 > +-------------- WAN ----------------+ > | | +-----+ > | |--------| H9 | <- dest.= Host > | | +-----+ > | | | | > | +-----+ +-----+ | > | | R-3 | | R-4 | | > | +-----+ +-----+ | > | | | | > --------------------------------------+ =20 > | | <----" When Router R-4 goes down,=20 > | | should MR-2 cosider itself to b= e down or not? " > +-----+ +-----+ > | MR1 | | MR2 | > | & | | & | > | BR2 | | BR1 | > VRID=3D1 +-----+ +-----+ VRID=3D2 > IP A ---------->* *<---------- IP B > | | > | | > | | > ------------------+------------+-----+--------+--------+--------+-- > ^ ^ ^ ^ > | | | | > (IP A) (IP A) (IP B) (IP B) > | | | | > +--+--+ +--+--+ +--+--+ +--+--+ > | H1 | | H2 | | H3 | | H4 |<-= - src. host > +-----+ +-----+ +--+--+ +--+--+ >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01BFE062.4F1D4B80--