From w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Mon Apr 4 16:09:09 2005 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA25890 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DIXqc-0003Hb-7C for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:06:58 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIXqb-0003H3-DL for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:06:57 +0000 Received: from pop.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by lisa.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIXqa-00065A-Pf for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:06:57 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Apr 2005 20:06:52 -0000 Received: from pD9E6291C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.4]) [217.230.41.28] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 04 Apr 2005 22:06:52 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <42519E4F.3040104@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:06:39 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Dusseault CC: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, ejw@soe.ucsc.edu References: <200503190114.j2J1E2QL001421@services.cse.ucsc.edu> <423BF3BB.8000507@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Review of quota-06 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/42519E4F.3040104@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9555 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:06:58 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Dusseault wrote: > > > On Mar 19, 2005, at 1:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> >> Jim Whitehead wrote: >> >>> So, if I understand you correctly, you're advocating the addition of a >>> single additional error code to cover the storage media full case? >> >> >> My personal preference was to leave disk limits out of quota, and to >> define separate properties and precondition codes for them. However, >> if people feel this is overkill spec-wise, the ability to distinguish >> both cases when an operation fails would be welcome (and a cheap >> addition). > > > Is there anybody who would implement a separate property for disk limit > (in addition to, or instead of a property for quota)? I haven't seen a > direct request for this, it's only been brought up in the context of > whether or not the quota property should exclude this concept. I probably would. > I'd be happy with a separate error for the separate case. That doesn't > seem like overkill. OK, seems that everybody is in violent agreement that we're almost done. Can we expect a new draft from the authors any time soon? Best regards, Julian -- bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760 From w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Mon Apr 4 16:26:20 2005 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00007 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DIY8b-0003sB-Sw for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:25:33 +0000 Received: from bart.w3.org ([128.30.52.40]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIY8a-0003om-FF for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:25:32 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by bart.w3.org with smtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIY8a-0005DE-4P for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:25:32 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Apr 2005 20:25:28 -0000 Received: from pD9E6291C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.4]) [217.230.41.28] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 04 Apr 2005 22:25:28 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 Message-ID: <4251A2AE.7020101@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:25:18 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'webdav'" CC: ejw@soe.ucsc.edu References: <200503172358.j2HNwt05017452@services.cse.ucsc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200503172358.j2HNwt05017452@services.cse.ucsc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Received-SPF: pass (bart.w3.org: domain of julian.reschke@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.20 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Moving forward on BIND X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/4251A2AE.7020101@gmx.de Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9556 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:25:33 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Whitehead wrote: > Joe writes: > >>My guess for BIND is that either Ted or Scott would want >>clarification on a couple of the interoperability questions >>that Lisa has raised, regardless of whether the answer can be >>inferred by a fully-informed reader. > > > Julian Reschke and I just chatted on the phone. My perception is that we > both agree that it makes sense to discuss the semantics of all DAV > properties under BIND, UNBIND, and REBIND. There seem to be differences in > desired behavior between properties whose semantics originated in WeBDAV > (which are typically defined on the resource), and ones inherited from HTTP > (like getlastmodified) which depend on representations of the resource. It > is likely this discussion will lead to modifications to the bind > specification. > > Julian said he'd take the first whack at summarizing the technical points. OK, I have started a summary of what I think is the relation between HTTP header data and WebDAV namespace operations (including but not limited to those in BIND). Current draft at: . Writing this down makes a lot of sense; let's try to discuss & understand the problem first before we argue whether and what BIND needs to say about it. (for those too lazy to read it... :-): - we can't say anything about properties where we inherit semantics from RFC2616 (HTTP), just like Roy F. pointed out a few months ago. This includes DAV:getlastmodified and DAV:getetag. - we could try to say a few words about those properties that are defined by RFC2518 and friends (although I'm not convinced it's worth the effort). There are a few issues in BugZilla that have been opened since end of WGLC (working group last call) which are related to this analysis: : "What event does creationdate refer to" -- I'd like not to say anything particular about DAV:creationdate because that would imply it's different from other WebDAV properties. However, *if* we say something, at least it needs to be both correct and non-misleading (thus we'll need to state things about other WebDAV properties as well). : "Do Bind operations change the getlastmodified or getetag property values" -- Yes, they may. See above. BIND can't IMHO make any new requirements here; thus all we could say is that RFC2616 applies (which it does even if we don't say so). : Value of ETag and getlastmodified properties on multiple bindings> -- same as above. I'd also like to ask the WG chairs to close the other open issues related to BIND (, , ) as agreed upon in Last Call process (). Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Mon Apr 4 16:28:52 2005 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00508 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DIYBD-0004Vv-D3 for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:15 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIYBC-0004VN-3Y for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:14 +0000 Received: from ietf.cse.ucsc.edu ([128.114.52.130]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIYBB-00037e-M1 for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:14 +0000 Received: (from hunkim@localhost) by ietf.cse.ucsc.edu (8.12.8/8.11.4) id j34KSC4b017987; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:28:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:28:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200504042028.j34KSC4b017987@ietf.cse.ucsc.edu> From: bugzilla@soe.ucsc.edu To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Bugzilla-Reason: QAContact Received-SPF: none (lisa.w3.org: domain of hunkim@ietf.cse.ucsc.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: [Bug 77] Do Bind operations change the getlastmodified or getetag property values X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/200504042028.j34KSC4b017987@ietf.cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9557 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:15 +0000 http://ietf.cse.ucsc.edu:8080/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=77 ------- Additional Comments From julian.reschke@greenbytes.de 2005-04-04 13:28 ------- See additional discussion in . ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the QA contact for the bug, or are watching the QA contact. From w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Mon Apr 4 16:29:07 2005 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00597 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DIYBX-0004oD-VY for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:35 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIYBW-0004nU-Sz for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:35 +0000 Received: from ietf.cse.ucsc.edu ([128.114.52.130]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DIYBW-000215-Hk for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:35 +0000 Received: (from hunkim@localhost) by ietf.cse.ucsc.edu (8.12.8/8.11.4) id j34KSUTe017999; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:28:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 13:28:30 -0700 Message-Id: <200504042028.j34KSUTe017999@ietf.cse.ucsc.edu> From: bugzilla@soe.ucsc.edu To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Bugzilla-Reason: QAContact Received-SPF: none (maggie.w3.org: domain of hunkim@ietf.cse.ucsc.edu does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: [Bug 78] Value of ETag and getlastmodified properties on multiple bindings X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/200504042028.j34KSUTe017999@ietf.cse.ucsc.edu Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9558 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:28:35 +0000 http://ietf.cse.ucsc.edu:8080/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78 ------- Additional Comments From julian.reschke@greenbytes.de 2005-04-04 13:28 ------- See additional discussion in . ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the QA contact for the bug, or are watching the QA contact. From w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Tue Apr 5 22:52:10 2005 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA15159 for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DJ0bv-000794-IY for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:49:43 +0000 Received: from lisa.w3.org ([128.30.52.41]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJ0bt-00078W-N6 for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:49:41 +0000 Received: from kahuna.osafoundation.org ([204.152.186.98]) by lisa.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJ0bt-0004gM-CH for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:49:41 +0000 Old-X-Envelope-From: lisa@osafoundation.org Old-X-Envelope-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([198.144.201.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by kahuna.osafoundation.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j362nJaa022644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:49:21 -0700 In-Reply-To: <42519E4F.3040104@gmx.de> References: <200503190114.j2J1E2QL001421@services.cse.ucsc.edu> <423BF3BB.8000507@gmx.de> <42519E4F.3040104@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <265b14849485b9d21dfb6aa3d3b812b6@osafoundation.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org, ejw@soe.ucsc.edu From: Lisa Dusseault Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:49:11 -0700 To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 127.0.0.1 Received-SPF: pass (lisa.w3.org: domain of lisa@osafoundation.org designates 204.152.186.98 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Review of quota-06 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/265b14849485b9d21dfb6aa3d3b812b6@osafoundation.org Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9559 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:49:43 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > seems that everybody is in violent agreement that we're almost done. > Can we expect a new draft from the authors any time soon? > Well, Brian Korver is no longer working at Xythos nor is he subscribed to this list anymore (briank@xythos.com bounced enough times). So I've pinged him to find out what's up with Quota revisions. Lisa From w3c-dist-auth-request@frink.w3.org Wed Apr 6 14:59:00 2005 Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15953 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 14:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.44) id 1DJFhR-0007SX-5g for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:56:25 +0000 Received: from maggie.w3.org ([193.51.208.68]) by frink.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJFhN-0007Ri-Kb for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:56:21 +0000 Received: from oe8.briank.com ([198.144.201.197]) by maggie.w3.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DJFhN-0005LX-NK for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:56:22 +0000 Received: from [198.144.196.7] ([198.144.196.7]) by oe8.briank.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j36IuHgn091693 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from briank@briank.com) Message-ID: <425430CD.10702@briank.com> Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:56:13 -0700 From: Brian Korver User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (maggie.w3.org: domain of briank@briank.com designates 198.144.201.197 as permitted sender) X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: Review of quota-06 X-Archived-At: http://www.w3.org/mid/425430CD.10702@briank.com Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9560 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: Resent-Message-Id: Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:56:25 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, no problem. -brian briank@briank.com > OK, > > seems that everybody is in violent agreement that we're almost done. Can > we expect a new draft from the authors any time soon? > > Best regards, Julian