From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Sun Apr 1 13:14:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6C011E808C for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:14:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UDkz6mzowXJp for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E73A11E8085 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 572 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 2012 20:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2012 20:14:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=Dq7nVmjv7RX5u/IC5JzUgLzWZtRzkp5/sHwmMB1nGp8=; b=skWI6xfZZslQDj8YoURXXMfJ5cIhdgRgnP4uEKjqteXH/1oa3b34yzvd8IixTkSHef3RDTGoQWP0YOhSC0En+muH7bVVjlZIIVmD+SuQho0/nKAWzn4wE3aNZUOWaoFA; Received: from c-24-4-122-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([24.4.122.173] helo=[192.168.11.11]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SERA6-0003gM-Ms for weirds@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2012 14:14:06 -0600 Message-ID: <4F78B70C.3060502@KingsMountain.com> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 13:14:04 -0700 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.4.122.173 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: Re: [weirds] Post-BoF charter X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 20:14:22 -0000 I support this charter as written. =JeffH From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 2 10:56:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B5521F8597 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:56:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gQoUR5haFgNb for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E169121F8525 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 10:56:24 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Determining the registered domain Thread-Index: Ac0Q+eponj8U/ZC+SgmY+QGYNCkMJQ== Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:56:23 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162exchmbx901corpclo_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 17:56:34 -0000 --_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162exchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has come up in other work a few times, and I'm wondering how the names= folks here might see this being handled by WEIRDS, if at all. Suppose I am asked to evaluate the domain name foo.bar.baz.ietf.org. It's = not in the DNS directly, though related records like SOA and NS do exist. = Depending on how the DNS is set up, an SOA query on the name might return "= ietf.org", which is far more useful. But this also might not be the case (= if, say, "baz" is delegated). Do the names people think that this work could support the idea of doing a = lookup in a way that requests the registration that "contains" the name bei= ng submitted? Or are we looking at only exact matches? Some groups have taken to using public suffix lists, but those have their o= wn sets of problems, most notably that they are maintained by volunteers an= d may not be kept as current as would be desired in, say, a security-relate= d environment. -MSK --_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162exchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This has come up in other work a few times, and I= 217;m wondering how the names folks here might see this being handled by WE= IRDS, if at all.

 

Suppose I am asked to evaluate the domain name foo.b= ar.baz.ietf.org.  It’s not in the DNS directly, though related r= ecords like SOA and NS do exist.  Depending on how the DNS is set up, = an SOA query on the name might return “ietf.org”, which is far more useful.  But this also might not be the case (if, s= ay, “baz” is delegated).

 

Do the names people think that this work could suppo= rt the idea of doing a lookup in a way that requests the registration that = “contains” the name being submitted?  Or are we looking at= only exact matches?

 

Some groups have taken to using public suffix lists,= but those have their own sets of problems, most notably that they are main= tained by volunteers and may not be kept as current as would be desired in,= say, a security-related environment.

 

-MSK

--_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162exchmbx901corpclo_-- From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Mon Apr 2 11:23:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A77C21F862B for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:23:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2im8DCk-1A36 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D291F21F8599 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BCDBF1ECB41D for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:23:04 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120402182253.GA22789@mail.yitter.info> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:23:37 -0000 On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 05:56:23PM +0000, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Suppose I am asked to evaluate the domain name foo.bar.baz.ietf.org. It's not in the DNS directly, though related records like SOA and NS do exist. Depending on how the DNS is set up, an SOA query on the name might return "ietf.org", which is far more useful. But this also might not be the case (if, say, "baz" is delegated). > I don't understand the scenario. If you do an SOA query for foo.bar.baz.ietf.org, then if that's not the apex you get the SOA record in the authority section. If it _is_ the apex you get the SOA in the answer section. If you get the SOA for ietf.org in the authority section, then baz.ietf.org can't possibly be delegated, because there'd be an SOA at baz.ietf.org which would be the SOA in the authority section. > Do the names people think that this work could support the idea of > doing a lookup in a way that requests the registration that > "contains" the name being submitted? Or are we looking at only > exact matches? You're thinking something like `weirds --server authority-for-org --target my.deep.labels.example.org`, and example.org is delegated, and you get the answer back "ask the people at example.org", just the way we get in the DNS? I have no objection to this myself, but we'll need to reproduce the label-by-label logic of STD13. > Some groups have taken to using public suffix lists, but those have > their own sets of problems, most notably that they are maintained by > volunteers and may not be kept as current as would be desired in, > say, a security-related environment. Right. Also, they seem to have funny ideas about things like empty non-terminals. I think anything that gets us away from assertions by others about domain name policies is a good thing. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 2 11:28:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE3421F86A4 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:28:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3830qEKyc4Ql for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAB521F8668 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:28:17 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Determining the registered domain Thread-Index: Ac0Q+eponj8U/ZC+SgmY+QGYNCkMJQAPmawAAA6bsIA= Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:28:16 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6423@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <20120402182253.GA22789@mail.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20120402182253.GA22789@mail.yitter.info> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:28:18 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Andrew Sullivan > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:23 AM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain >=20 > I don't understand the scenario. >=20 > If you do an SOA query for foo.bar.baz.ietf.org, then if that's not the > apex you get the SOA record in the authority section. If it _is_ the > apex you get the SOA in the answer section. >=20 > If you get the SOA for ietf.org in the authority section, then > baz.ietf.org can't possibly be delegated, because there'd be an SOA at > baz.ietf.org which would be the SOA in the authority section. That's what I mean: If baz is delegated, you get baz's SOA, while "ietf.org= " is the domain that's actually registered, so in DNS terms I got what I as= ked for but only because I'm not able to ask the right question. So using = the SOA to find out the registration point is unreliable for this purpose. > You're thinking something like `weirds --server authority-for-org -- > target my.deep.labels.example.org`, and example.org is delegated, and > you get the answer back "ask the people at example.org", just the way > we get in the DNS? I have no objection to this myself, but we'll need > to reproduce the label-by-label logic of STD13. I'm thinking more like: weirds --server=3Dx --target=3Dfoo.bar.baz.ietf.org ...and getting back a reply of "ietf.org" with whatever other data attached= to it. -MSK From carlos@lacnic.net Wed Mar 21 12:03:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D99921E80AD for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rzD7S1Df-hO0 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C9B21E80AC for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:5128:5185:c233:c8f6:8f2a]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C332308478; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:03:03 -0300 (UYT) Message-ID: <4F6A25E7.6050904@lacnic.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:03:03 -0300 From: Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Newton References: <20120321084728.13258.qmail@joyce.lan> <9CE1C82A-3EED-47EA-B39B-E2EC1D660598@lacnic.net> <0A5D71D7-73D3-4736-8FEC-D0252B1263C0@isc.org> <20120321153931.GG48500@mail.yitter.info> <4F6A07D1.20209@gmail.com> <7DA0994D-5A55-4035-ACE5-513F38139BAD@arin.net> In-Reply-To: <7DA0994D-5A55-4035-ACE5-513F38139BAD@arin.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: carlos@lacnic.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:39:48 -0700 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-01.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:03:15 -0000 :=) -- Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo R+D Engineer http://www.labs.lacnic.net On 3/21/12 4:01 PM, Andy Newton wrote: > On Mar 21, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo wrote: > >> then we can discuss data formats over >> large quantities of beer > Are you buying? Because, my friend, you haven't enough money if this thread is any indication of how that discussion will go. > > -andy From Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz Mon Apr 2 11:48:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4B021F86EB for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KIFbTL38d7-p for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5669B21F8659 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from work-laptop-2 (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q32ImBqQ020513; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:48:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Received: from [10.31.200.143] by work-laptop-2 (PGP Universal service); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:48:12 -0400 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by work-laptop-2 on Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:48:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20120402182253.GA22789@mail.yitter.info> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <20120402182253.GA22789@mail.yitter.info> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 14:47:59 -0400 To: From: Edward Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.20.30.4 Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:48:15 -0000 At 14:23 -0400 4/2/12, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >I don't understand the scenario. Ditto. There really isn't a difference between names and numbers. (Maybe that isn't what you are asking about, but that's what I jumped to.) Let's say you have 127.0/20, which is part of 127.0/18 at an ISP, 127.0/17 at an NIR, and 127.0/16 at an RIR. The question might arise, who's responsible for 127.0.223.108 and what can be said about them? The best place to get information would be from the one with the allocation (127.0/20) or better yet the ISP. If not the ISP then the NIR. In any case, there's one place that will have the mapping of the network (and the particular address) to an appropriate contact. No matter how many times the space is divided, reallocated, reassigned, there's one final authority mapping it into people space. As far as a delegated name like foo.bar.baz.ietf.org, it belongs to one and only one zone. First, find that zone and you will get to the administrator responsible. That might be the registry (a "thick" one) or a registrar (for a "thin" registry), or a registrant who has delegated a zone inside what they have registered at a TLD. Names or numbers - there is an authority that is maintaining the mapping of object to person. (Person may be an organization or role.) The authority is designated through the formal channels to some point, where it may become informal. In numbers it is IANA to RIR (to NIR) to ISP/LIR (to organization) to user. Usually user has no records of themselves. In names it is IANA to TLD to SLD to user. Pretty much the same. The DNS is just reporting this. (Also - there are many questions about "reverse DNS" and DNS. To the DNS, they are both the same. But people seem to think there's a difference. There isn't.) At 18:28 +0000 4/2/12, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > weirds --server=x --target=foo.bar.baz.ietf.org Here you are specifying the authority (it's server x) and the mapping you want. The question of knowing what server (x) to use has to be solved by the protocol. WhoIs (port 43) clients have even solved this already. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis NeuStar You can leave a voice message at +1-571-434-5468 2012...time to reuse those 1984 calendars! From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 2 12:01:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9E021F85C2 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jNPQ-+xCI5nh for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A574B21F871D for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:01:28 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Determining the registered domain Thread-Index: Ac0Q+eponj8U/ZC+SgmY+QGYNCkMJQAPmawAAADexYAADmYBsA== Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:01:27 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C650A@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <20120402182253.GA22789@mail.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:01:33 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Edward Lewis > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 11:48 AM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain >=20 > The question might arise, who's responsible for 127.0.223.108 and what > can be said about them? The best place to get information would be > from the one with the allocation (127.0/20) or better yet the ISP. > If not the ISP then the NIR. In any case, there's one place that will > have the mapping of the network (and the particular address) to an > appropriate contact. No matter how many times the space is divided, > reallocated, reassigned, there's one final authority mapping it into > people space. I want the closest/tightest/lowest/etc. assignment that's available. In yo= ur case, that's 127.0/20. And I should be able to walk up the chain if I w= ant to. (At least with the RESTful implementation at ARIN, that's what I g= et now, so I'm happy.) > As far as a delegated name like foo.bar.baz.ietf.org, it belongs to one > and only one zone. First, find that zone and you will get to the > administrator responsible. That might be the registry (a "thick" > one) or a registrar (for a "thin" registry), or a registrant who has > delegated a zone inside what they have registered at a TLD. Right, for names, I want the closest/tightest/lowest/etc. assignment that's= available. So for "foo.bar.baz.ietf.org", I want it to give me "ietf.org"= , which is the registered domain name. The DNS can't give me this unless t= here are no zones delegated below ietf.org, which isn't guaranteed. To some degree, I shouldn't have to care about RIR/LIR/NIR/ISP or thick/thi= n/DNS. I just want the answer. I don't necessarily need to be able to spe= cify that I also want the list of relationships back to the root, though I = imagine that might also be useful to some applications. > Names or numbers - there is an authority that is maintaining the > mapping of object to person. (Person may be an organization or > role.) The authority is designated through the formal channels to some > point, where it may become informal. In numbers it is IANA to RIR (to > NIR) to ISP/LIR (to organization) to user. Usually user has no records > of themselves. In names it is IANA to TLD to SLD to user. > Pretty much the same. The DNS is just reporting this. The DNS is not reporting it reliably. You'd be making some assumptions abo= ut how a given organization has laid out its DNS topology. -MSK From Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz Mon Apr 2 12:34:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B001C21F8703 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:34:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RWgC3gZIoR18 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stora.ogud.com (stora.ogud.com [66.92.146.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27B021F86FF for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from work-laptop-2 (nyttbox.md.ogud.com [10.20.30.4]) by stora.ogud.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q32JY0jd020751; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:34:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Received: from [10.31.200.143] by work-laptop-2 (PGP Universal service); Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:34:01 -0400 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by work-laptop-2 on Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:34:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C650A@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <20120402182253.GA22789@mail.yitter.info> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C650A@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:29:25 -0400 To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" From: Edward Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.72 on 10.20.30.4 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 19:34:29 -0000 At 19:01 +0000 4/2/12, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >I want the closest/tightest/lowest/etc. assignment that's available. In >your case, that's 127.0/20. And I should be able to walk up the chain if >I want to. Outside of adding "walk up the chain if I have to" I agree. If the "tightest" binding (127.0/20) is held by an organization that is hiding something, you might have to start a fight up a level. (Note, I'm assuming this in a hostile context.) >To some degree, I shouldn't have to care about RIR/LIR/NIR/ISP or >thick/thin/DNS. I just want the answer. Good, that's the right goal. It's not the delegation hierarchy you need, it's the contact or other relevant ancillary data you need for the object in question. However, the hierarchy is needed if there's "an obstruction." >The DNS is not reporting it reliably. You'd be making some assumptions >about how a given organization has laid out its DNS topology. Okay, I started out saying "DNS is reporting" but the DNS is not really reporting. The DNS is a report of what is in the database (that is the heart of any registration activity) but is hardly complete. (If it was, there's no WhoIs or WEIRDS work.) The DNS is just publishing some data about names representing objects. WhoIs/WEIRDS is set up to give out other kinds of information, chiefly the contacts (in as much as the DNS is chiefly about giving addresses). The source of that isn't the DNS, but the database behind the DNS. Where the DNS can play a role here is helping WhoIs/WEIRDS clients find the addresses of the WhoIs/WEIRDS servers. The one weakness of DNS is "going up" and that is something that might be needed to get around a WhoIs/WEIRDS server that is trying to hide something (as in "start a fight up a level"). -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis NeuStar You can leave a voice message at +1-571-434-5468 2012...time to reuse those 1984 calendars! From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 2 22:38:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F272921F86E8 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:38:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.049 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.049 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.450, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qh0sK9eSGj6w for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5994A21F86BE for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:38:11 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHNC8hnHnUQvwMfKk6tQt7UEeUJdJZ9eVKwgAEBGwCACiGewA== Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:38:11 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C7037@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280BA43E@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <9434638A-EC72-4035-8B58-663DCAA61EAB@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: <9434638A-EC72-4035-8B58-663DCAA61EAB@lacnic.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-03.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 05:38:13 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Arturo Servin [mailto:aservin@lacnic.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 4:40 AM > To: Murray S. Kucherawy > Cc: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds= -requirements-03.txt >=20 > Section 3.2 >=20 > Instead of: "The design of servers supporting the above protocol needs t= o consider > support for the following likely classes of service for clients:" >=20 > I would like something more like: >=20 > "The design of servers supporting the above protocol needs to consider > support for different classes of service, for example:" >=20 > I mention this because the types of services that each operator > may support could (or it will) be dictated by policy. OK, but I think the classes we listed will be the ones that all operators n= eed to think about, at a minimum. > Section 3.3 >=20 > I think that some of the content of this section should be > documented in the names and numbers data models. I suggest to remove: >=20 > " > * The date/time on which the record most recently changed owners/ > registrants >=20 > * The date/time on which any other part of the record was > modified >=20 > * The identifier of the registrar that created the record (e.g., > the registrar ID) >=20 > * The identifier of the registrant that created the record (e.g., > the registrant ID) >=20 > * For network registration records, the range of addresses > comprising the assigned subnet > " I'm a little worried about starting down this path. A basic set of data in= response to a reply, in a standard form and supporting internationalizatio= n and differential services, is what consumers of the data are after. For = instance, the single one you like, creation timestamp of the record, by its= elf doesn't tell me a lot. For names, for example, a popular domain might'= ve been registered back in the 1990s but recently expired and come into the= hands of a bad actor. That information is critical to security applicatio= ns. It might make the producers happy to do that, but going through huge effort= to create a protocol framework for which a nearly empty JSON reply can be = reliably returned to the client and claimed as compliant won't attract many= parties on the consumer side of this work. > Also, I am not sure that all RIRs databases have all these data > or if by policy those data is published or not. We analized the current > output of RIRs whois and not all of the mentioned above is shown, > either because the RIR does not have data about it or because of > policy. I think most of the data that would be considered private is actually omitt= ed from the set above. Note that we haven't asked for names, phone numbers= , addresses, or anything else, nor are the identifiers required to reflect = actual registration data (e.g., your NIC handle doesn't have to be anything= that resembles your name; it just needs to be constant). What needs to be= enabled are things like: "Do this registration and that one appear to be = owned by the same party?" "This entity has a good reputation, but it recen= tly changed hands. That could be interesting." This also goes back to reputations and default-deny type postures: If the r= egistries won't provide the data that enable such questions to be answered = (for any reason, including policy), then people will have to distrust the s= ubjects of the queries. I think that will put a lot of pressure on policie= s to meet the clients half-way. > For the security considerations, should be add something about > privacy, DoS attacks, loops because of redirection, etc. that operators > or the protocol itself should take care of? We could add those as things that documents based off of this one need to a= ddress, sure. -MSK From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 2 22:43:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1448021F8623 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:43:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.386, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75j7n1Y9SnxB for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8197621F8570 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:43:34 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHNDDIrgjKPCr0lY0uuuEAMijdEhpaIn9fg Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:43:33 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C7067@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9434638A-EC72-4035-8B58-663DCAA61EAB@lacnic.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-03.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 05:43:39 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: James Mitchell [mailto:james.mitchell@ausregistry.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:56 AM > To: Arturo Servin; Murray S. Kucherawy > Cc: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds= -requirements-03.txt >=20 > As an example, and with hope that this does not turn into a discussion > regarding specific registry policies, consider the response to a > .com.au whois where the creation and expiration dates are withheld as a > means to reduce frequency of fake renewal notices (registrations are > for a fixed 2 year period). By mandating the creation date/time element > you will force their hand to either 1, not implement the product of > this group, 2, create a similar but incompatible response format, or 3, > change their policy. I don't think this group should gamble on 3. This is where differential policy comes in. For certain classes of consume= rs, some or all of the things listed are necessary, or the consumer doesn't= get anything by being a consumer. We may as well stick to port 43. If it will make people feel better, I'd be fine with dropping the specific = parts of Section 3.3 in exchange for stronger language in the previous sect= ion making it clear that operators should expect to encounter and probably = make arrangements to provide more information to bona fide security and law= enforcement operators, for example. They are, after all, half of the equa= tion here. -MSK From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 2 23:01:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B42221F852B for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.936 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.936 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.337, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RUD8PSzvff3Z for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938C421F841B for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:35 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-04.txt Thread-Index: AQHNEV8n7b0GEFJvaU6KlYaPLUXF0JaIm6CQ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 06:01:34 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C708A@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C708Aexchmbx901corpclo_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [weirds] FW: New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-04.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 06:01:36 -0000 --_002_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C708Aexchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Based on recent feedback. -MSK --_002_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C708Aexchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: attachment; creation-date="Tue, 03 Apr 2012 06:01:33 GMT"; modification-date="Tue, 03 Apr 2012 06:01:33 GMT" Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (208.83.136.59) by ht1.cloudmark.com (172.22.10.80) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.355.2; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:03 -0700 Received: from cmgw1.cloudmark.com ?(cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q336074r018836 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:03 -0700 (envelope-from internet-drafts@ietf.org) Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id tJ1C1i0050f7nZY01J1CMy; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 23:01:12 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451521F873E for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I5ndKzOki2sQ for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D745F21F8746 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 23:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "internet-drafts@ietf.org" To: "Murray S. 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Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:41:26 +0200 id 00000000005DC033.000000004F7AD3D6.000040E8 Message-ID: <4F7AD3D5.50704@tana.it> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:41:25 +0200 From: Alessandro Vesely User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280BA43E@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <9434638A-EC72-4035-8B58-663DCAA61EAB@lacnic.net> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C7037@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C7037@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-kucherawy-weirds-requirements-03.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 10:41:32 -0000 On 03/Apr/12 07:38, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> From: Arturo Servin > >> Section 3.3 >> >> I think that some of the content of this section should be >> documented in the names and numbers data models. I suggest to remove: >> >> " >> [removed fields] >> " > > I'm a little worried about starting down this path. A basic set of > data in response to a reply, in a standard form and supporting > internationalization and differential services, is what consumers > of the data are after. For instance, the single one you like, > creation timestamp of the record, by itself doesn't tell me a lot. > For names, for example, a popular domain might've been registered > back in the 1990s but recently expired and come into the hands of a > bad actor. That information is critical to security applications. IMHO, the fields in Section 3.3 ought to be subdivided by type of registry, type of query, and perhaps even by class of service. If at all possible, the code-name of the field, registrationDate in this case, should be the hanging text of the list item, since this is where we define the datum. The specific response syntax documents apparently use phrases like "The following is /an example/ of [...]" (emphasis added). The specific datum that I'd like to see here, for numbers' operator queries at the anonymous service class, is the abuse-mailbox contact. From bill.smith@paypal-inc.com Tue Apr 3 05:19:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198FE21F876E for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:19:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.117 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.117 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tS6F7H5rqZ7B for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from den-mipot-001.corp.ebay.com (den-mipot-001.corp.ebay.com [216.113.175.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D7421F8778 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 05:19:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=ppinc; d=paypal-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-EBay-Corp:X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:From:To:CC: Subject:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:x-ems-proccessed: x-ems-stamp:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: MIME-Version:X-CFilter; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter: Scanned Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Post-BoF charter X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:19:06 -0000 +1 On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:14 PM, "=3DJeffH" wrot= e: > I support this charter as written. >=20 > =3DJeffH > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds From alexander.mayrhofer@nic.at Thu Apr 5 04:37:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B00C21F87B1 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 04:37:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.829 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.829 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AKeTHgrJTSrn for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Better late than never: +1 for this charter proposal, particularly for = not making name registries second class citizens ;-) =20 Alex =20 =20 Von: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag = von Murray S. Kucherawy Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. M=E4rz 2012 19:31 An: weirds@ietf.org Betreff: [weirds] Post-BoF charter =20 Attached is the last charter Andy Newton posted, modified as per the = conversation at the BoF in Paris. =20 Please comment, including posting expressions of support. =20 Thanks, -MSK ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD1320.88EFC0AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Better late than never: +1 for this charter = proposal, particularly for not making name registries second class = citizens ;-)

 

Alex

 

 

Von:<= /b> = weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag = von Murray S. Kucherawy
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. M=E4rz = 2012 19:31
An: weirds@ietf.org
Betreff: [weirds] = Post-BoF charter

 

Attached is the last charter Andy Newton posted, modified = as per the conversation at the BoF in Paris.

 

Please comment, including posting = expressions of support.

 

Thanks,

-MSK

------_=_NextPart_001_01CD1320.88EFC0AA-- From msk@cloudmark.com Thu Apr 5 10:28:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2353321F86B5 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4lEe7MONKkOQ for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht2-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht2-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A445E21F8616 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas902.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::e82a:4f80:7f44:eaf7%12]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:28:42 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Post-BoF charter Thread-Index: AQHNEEP7njF3HC4lTNGvz35x1sxk2JaJB2AwgAN5V2A= Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:28:41 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CBDCB@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <4F78B70C.3060502@KingsMountain.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] Post-BoF charter X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:28:43 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Smith, Bill > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 5:19 AM > To: =3DJeffH > Cc: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] Post-BoF charter >=20 > +1 >=20 > On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:14 PM, "=3DJeffH" > wrote: >=20 > > I support this charter as written. > > > > =3DJeffH Bill, Just to confirm: This means you withdraw your objection to proceeding with = this work under the post-BoF charter. Correct? We would really like to hear from others for whom this might be true before= proceeding. Thanks, -MSK From presnick@qualcomm.com Thu Apr 5 10:34:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E143C21F876C for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:34:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdqncTMkwxAu for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AA921F8766 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:34:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=presnick@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1333647246; x=1365183246; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject: content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-originating-ip; z=Message-ID:=20<4F7DD788.5040308@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20Th u,=205=20Apr=202012=2012:34:00=20-0500|From:=20Pete=20Res nick=20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0 =20(Macintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B =20en-US=3B=20rv:1.9.1.9)=20Gecko/20100630=20Eudora/3.0.4 |MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20|Subject:=20P lease=20speak=20up=20if=20you=20*need*=20the=20"escape=20 clause"=20in=20the=20charter=0D=0A=20(Was:=20Post-BoF=20c harter)|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3D"ISO-88 59-1"=3B=20format=3Dflowed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207 bit|X-Originating-IP:=20[172.30.48.1]; bh=hudxoOMl9eGR9iHrvp71tEyUFKTNFjyT5+d6ggpwiQ0=; b=KfMGpfJK8gctN9gb2Iu27nPfwwnk9S5DYMXae5ly8KbQwz/7EhrwxMIZ ly+pg29fPWqtQKzcv53qlMJrCvd6ukPaTFOpQuheAFNeQrw3Nlo0O4Zx2 kgFCZj40OZ82FamBptBFwQiYyWEEjC6pp/7fnIDAV8lSKGgvP0exGkqmh g=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6670"; a="176935702" Received: from ironmsg03-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.18]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2012 10:34:05 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,376,1330934400"; d="scan'208";a="203814193" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg03-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 05 Apr 2012 10:34:04 -0700 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:34:04 -0700 Message-ID: <4F7DD788.5040308@qualcomm.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:34:00 -0500 From: Pete Resnick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100630 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Subject: [weirds] Please speak up if you *need* the "escape clause" in the charter (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:34:11 -0000 Folks, As far as I can tell, we have only heard from one person who liked the first version of the charter (where work on names was clearly called out as *not* being a first deliverable) and didn't like the charter discussed at the BoF (where names was clearly called out as being a primary work item). If you were one of the people who wanted the "escape clause" added to the charter to make it clear that names could be abandoned if it was not making progress, please speak up and say whether the new escape clause is sufficient. If you liked the charter without the escape clause, only speak up if you object to the escape clause as written. Again, saying, "I *still* like the charter" is *not* helping us figure out whether we have answered all objections. Objections to the current text: Please. Withdrawal of earlier objections because the Post-BoF text fixed it: Please. "Still works for me": Please don't. pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 From bill.smith@paypal-inc.com Thu Apr 5 10:50:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B12EB21F874C for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.117 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.117 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lPiVha9eS0mj for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from den-mipot-002.corp.ebay.com (den-mipot-002.corp.ebay.com [216.113.175.153]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0201D21F8722 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 10:50:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=ppinc; d=paypal-inc.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-EBay-Corp:X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:From:To:CC: Subject:Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:x-originating-ip: x-ems-proccessed:x-ems-stamp:Content-Type:Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version:X-CFilter; b=sVz/2o66onKoymks3+j8e3wQEpRT90K14QWQLkWlb9SHI14iljb7cf6k hz6lHEN4YCYgrUWtZb7M2OjGy2uAZVW4bG0q6/WokyNgxLmwuuNRpSzkD D1WMVqp9Dz6iLJn; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=paypal-inc.com; i=bill.smith@paypal-inc.com; q=dns/txt; s=ppinc; t=1333648225; x=1365184225; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=C7qsnWPvoI2+A1wMoFfjYIuojzZQvmVffUCTlBwJeI8=; b=AvTlSDqgmCesQTwL81lZt9TElGx1EW6DklzFtgsWJL7A1rCywPEuH0B8 xOMJFDF5QB4af63mn3hH0qoNobUqP1UE2hy6N/YGX2v7DmlN+w3owv1VV VAM6NVPXOf/Z1Fz; X-EBay-Corp: Yes X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,377,1330934400"; d="scan'208";a="7425156" Received: from den-vtenf-002.corp.ebay.com (HELO DEN-EXMHT-004.corp.ebay.com) ([10.101.112.213]) by den-mipot-002.corp.ebay.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2012 10:50:24 -0700 Received: from DEN-EXDDA-S12.corp.ebay.com ([fe80::40c1:9cf7:d21e:46c]) by DEN-EXMHT-004.corp.ebay.com ([fe80::a487:c570:9abc:bb59%14]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:50:22 -0600 From: "Smith, Bill" To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Post-BoF charter Thread-Index: AQHNEEP7njF3HC4lTNGvz35x1sxk2JaJB2AwgAN5V2CAAGx7AA== Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:50:22 +0000 Message-ID: <334E4D55-3C6E-4559-9D24-37B5CCE3B8EC@paypal.com> References: <4F78B70C.3060502@KingsMountain.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CBDCB@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CBDCB@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.245.25.40] x-ems-proccessed: 10SqDH0iR7ekR7SRpKqm5A== x-ems-stamp: z/SkIJgi0xjgfZ5KtJxKFQ== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <44383BC4DA7034419775594648CBE3B9@corp.ebay.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter: Scanned Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Post-BoF charter X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:50:25 -0000 To be honest, I've lost track of where the charter sits now.=20 Regardless of the language, I have no objection to the work proceeding. I t= hink the number/name issue has been sufficiently debated for all sides to u= nderstand each other (if desired), and as a consequence, I will consent to = any charter that emerges. For me it's more important that the work proceed than to argue over charter= language. On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf= Of Smith, Bill >> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 5:19 AM >> To: =3DJeffH >> Cc: weirds@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [weirds] Post-BoF charter >>=20 >> +1 >>=20 >> On Apr 1, 2012, at 1:14 PM, "=3DJeffH" >> wrote: >>=20 >>> I support this charter as written. >>>=20 >>> =3DJeffH >=20 > Bill, >=20 > Just to confirm: This means you withdraw your objection to proceeding wit= h this work under the post-BoF charter. Correct? >=20 > We would really like to hear from others for whom this might be true befo= re proceeding. >=20 > Thanks, > -MSK > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds From johnl@iecc.com Thu Apr 5 12:17:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3FB21F866D for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:17:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.416 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.416 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=4.783, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAhIVuMvYSj1 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD1321F8655 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13963 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2012 19:16:57 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2012 19:16:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f7defa9.xn--hew.k1204; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=6ASkZqmEtYSxxZffcjA70Pgl1oao1Kpy2G1+oWG5DpA=; b=ODpE+Ft5zVypZ8kHxteDQc15Gd1xjvRMGovQBMpu8UBn0ohAkc57TrFeIk5MsfGr6fPKfppy6cOPrlPP3SuyUINipi1FQQjD80B3WmRY4AULjYcCF6FdE8R18p3bx6bzq+b1LPQb9/7XjHfkU5Ho/nuE9w7fdWhR+VF4kpli2bc= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 5 Apr 2012 19:16:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20120405191635.11363.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4F7DD788.5040308@qualcomm.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: presnick@qualcomm.com Subject: Re: [weirds] Please speak up if you *need* the "escape clause" in the charter (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:17:00 -0000 >If you were one of the people who wanted the "escape clause" added to >the charter to make it clear that names could be abandoned if it was not >making progress, please speak up and say whether the new escape clause >is sufficient. I'm probably the most vocal escapist. If I were writing the charter, I would use different words, but given the stated intention of both the chairs and the AD not to let the work get stalled if one side can't keep up with the other, I don't see any reason for further charter futzing. So, yes, it's sufficient. R's, John From ebw@nic-naa.net Thu Apr 5 13:18:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A2121F8615 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:18:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BRLbHq8f2T39 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (nic-naa.net [65.99.1.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E546221F8613 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q35HLdTI038874; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:21:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ebw@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <201204051721.q35HLdTI038874@nic-naa.net> To: msk@cloudmark.com From: ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 13:21:39 -0400 Sender: ebw@nic-naa.net Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:18:53 -0000 murray, your question is several questions. is the service exact match or not? does the service require more than one response? :43 has been exact match. it has not been uni-respondent. an inexact match could be, as you propose, an exact match over the terminal label in a sequence of labels, or it could be an inexact match over a label. what motivates the use case you've offered? -e ~ From ebw@nic-naa.net Thu Apr 5 13:37:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70BA21F8638 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:37:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpcrihfxJJOG for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (nic-naa.net [65.99.1.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F02C21F863C for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q35Hdp6d038961; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:39:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ebw@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <201204051739.q35Hdp6d038961@nic-naa.net> To: presnick@qualcomm.com From: ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 13:39:51 -0400 Sender: ebw@nic-naa.net Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [weirds] Please speak up if you *need* the "escape clause" in the charter (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:37:23 -0000 pete, i'm fine with an escape clause, i simply think avoidable risk, risk dave crocker and i didn't fully appreciate a decade ago, exists in thinking the only escape is "names" from "numbers" (or the reverse). to be clear, i suspect that the constraints on icann contracted entities, registries and registrars, are not generally shared, and cctld registries implemented as federations of independent registries, as one example of a structural difference, or under requirement regimes significantly different from icann contracts, may have problems with work that presumes there is a single model, or a single specification. i'd prefer this effort have greater utility the the previous efforts. -e From ebw@nic-naa.net Thu Apr 5 13:16:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1703021F8613 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:16:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pqokn03+cirl for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (nic-naa.net [65.99.1.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8227921F8611 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic-naa.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q35HIOuZ038847; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ebw@nic-naa.net) Message-Id: <201204051718.q35HIOuZ038847@nic-naa.net> To: weirds@ietf.org Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 13:18:24 -0400 From: Eric Brunner-Williams X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:05:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 20:16:04 -0000 murray, your question is several questions. is the service exact match or not? does the service require more than one response? :43 has been exact match. it has not been uni-respondent. an inexact match could be, as you propose, an exact match over the terminal label in a sequence of labels, or it could be an inexact match over a label. what motivates the use case you've offered? -e From alexander.mayrhofer@nic.at Fri Apr 6 00:38:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A804421F85F6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:38:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.13 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.13 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Q7mqtL9XKZF for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sbg.nic.at (mail.sbg.nic.at [83.136.33.227]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EFE21F85F4 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nics-mail.sbg.nic.at ([10.17.175.2]) by mail.sbg.nic.at with XWall v3.47 ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:37:58 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:37:59 +0200 Message-ID: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D46650B8D0B53@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Determining the registered domain Thread-Index: Ac0Q+eponj8U/ZC+SgmY+QGYNCkMJQCyvsmA From: "Alexander Mayrhofer" To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" , X-XWALL-BCKS: auto Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:38:01 -0000 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Do the names people think that this work could support the idea of = doing=20 > a lookup in a way that requests the registration that "contains" the=20 > name being submitted?=A0 Or are we looking at only exact matches? The WHOIS style name services that i'm aware of are all excact-match=20 style services, and this is likely also the expectation of the user = community (mostly registrars, but also domain name owners etc.). However, = responses=20 that allow the server to indicate to the client that the resource might = be found elsewhere could be interesting in the following cases: a) "Contains" type response: This is referring to what you described above. The registry is = auhoritative for the=20 name space "above" the resource provided, such as a superordinate = domain. If the service provides a "contains" response, then i think it needs to = be clearly=20 delineated from the "exact match" response. For example, a "contains" = match could for example use HTTP response code 303 ("See other"), while an exact = match=20 would return HTTP 200. b) Variants IDN registrations can lead to "variants" of a domain name, which are = automatically "bundled" with the "main registration". Such variants may or may not = show up in=20 the DNS, based on policy. For example, registration of "w=FCrstel.tld" = *could* also=20 automatically register "wuerstel.tld" as a variant. Typically, there's = only one registration record for such an IDN bundle, and typically, = there's a "base registration". In such a case, a server could also respond with 303 See Other, = redirecting the client to=20 the base registration. In case that an IDN bundle does not have a "base registration", but all = Variants are equal, the server could also respond with a 300 Multiple Choices (however, on a = second thought it probably doesn't make much sense, because this would send the client = into an endless loop of trying to find the variant that contains the actual registration = data). c) Search-style requests Search-style requests (such as substring requests) would also = potentially create multiple responses. Such requests could also be = answered with a 300 Multiple Choices response.=20 However, i'm not sure that substring searches would be in scope for this = work (and, i=20 wouldn't want to run it for several reasons anyway..)=20 Alex From presnick@qualcomm.com Sun Apr 8 08:40:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D3621F85B4 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.576 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yHzgU16ZJd+r for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolverine02.qualcomm.com (wolverine02.qualcomm.com [199.106.114.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC52421F85A8 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:40:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qualcomm.com; i=presnick@qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1333899647; x=1365435647; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-type:x-originating-ip; z=Message-ID:=20<4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com>|Date:=20Su n,=208=20Apr=202012=2010:40:28=20-0500|From:=20Pete=20Res nick=20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0 =20(Macintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B =20en-US=3B=20rv:1.9.1.9)=20Gecko/20100630=20Eudora/3.0.4 |MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20"weirds@ietf.org"=20|Subject:=20Requirements=20document=20and=20milest ones=20(Was:=20Post-BoF=20charter)|References:=20<9452079 D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmar k.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C 151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com>|Content-Type:=20mult ipart/alternative=3B=0D=0A=09boundary=3D"------------0507 08040900060005050803"|X-Originating-IP:=20[172.30.39.5]; bh=/YoZrC6fN0p5GpXJiT9TeKEfZjyPkb2BYE0u09JBgiY=; b=zeZ71ObLalU8kDfpxQZZTMTj3Qfds9gEWcwj/S34097NISzZMkw0DJhL BGPJYJqej77hFT6WgLyqaNDS79XotJoTA05q9MKrC1xSnNeaM+WUFphAD 5PVoTW1bgjr0XVxMtFGZwLJxbBcVnxEDbIbPSRwdQltxuKiM1KEezDgGN c=; X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5400,1158,6673"; a="177467162" Received: from ironmsg03-l.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.18]) by wolverine02.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 08 Apr 2012 08:40:46 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,389,1330934400"; d="scan'208,217";a="206716420" Received: from nasanexhc07.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.39.190]) by Ironmsg03-L.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 08 Apr 2012 08:40:33 -0700 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.5) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.39.190) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:40:32 -0700 Message-ID: <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 10:40:28 -0500 From: Pete Resnick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100630 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "weirds@ietf.org" References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050708040900060005050803" X-Originating-IP: [172.30.39.5] Subject: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:40:48 -0000 --------------050708040900060005050803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that we're settled in on the rest of the language in the charter, I have some questions regarding the work items. In particular: > Milestones > Nov 2012 Draft WEIRDS requirements to the IESG for publication as > an Informational RFC. > > Jul 2013 Draft WEIRDS specifications for registry queries and responses > to the IESG for publication on the Standards Track. > Personally, I'm not a big fan of publishing requirements documents. A published requirements document is important if there will be ongoing post-WG efforts that will have to take it into account. But I do not foresee any efforts to standardize this technology taking place outside of the context of this WG, and in particular I don't see this document concentrating on the future: It's level-setting for the internal work of the WG. I think having a requirements list (perhaps in the form of an Internet-Draft) in which the WG can document their consensus on requirements is a fine thing, but I don't see it as an interesting deliverable. Do others think a requirements document is necessary as a specific deliverable, or can it simply be a WG-internal work item? The other thing that I noticed is that the second milestone is "Draft WEIRDS specifications". That sounds to me like "one or more documents", and they're all due at the same time. Can we come up with more granular deliverables at this time, or are we leaving that as a future exercise? I'm ambivalent on the point, and I don't think having them is *necessary* for me to put the charter on the IESG's agenda, but I do suspect I'm going to get the question during IESG review of the charter. Thanks, pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 --------------050708040900060005050803 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that we're settled in on the rest of the language in the charter, I have some questions regarding the work items. In particular:

Milestones
    Nov 2012	Draft WEIRDS requirements to the IESG for publication as
		an Informational RFC.

    Jul 2013	Draft WEIRDS specifications for registry queries and responses
		to the IESG for publication on the Standards Track.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of publishing requirements documents. A published requirements document is important if there will be ongoing post-WG efforts that will have to take it into account. But I do not foresee any efforts to standardize this technology taking place outside of the context of this WG, and in particular I don't see this document concentrating on the future: It's level-setting for the internal work of the WG. I think having a requirements list (perhaps in the form of an Internet-Draft) in which the WG can document their consensus on requirements is a fine thing, but I don't see it as an interesting deliverable.

Do others think a requirements document is necessary as a specific deliverable, or can it simply be a WG-internal work item?

The other thing that I noticed is that the second milestone is "Draft WEIRDS specifications". That sounds to me like "one or more documents", and they're all due at the same time. Can we come up with more granular deliverables at this time, or are we leaving that as a future exercise? I'm ambivalent on the point, and I don't think having them is *necessary* for me to put the charter on the IESG's agenda, but I do suspect I'm going to get the question during IESG review of the charter.

Thanks,

pr
-- 
Pete Resnick <http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102
--------------050708040900060005050803-- From msk@cloudmark.com Sun Apr 8 21:58:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22B421F85DD for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.748 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.748 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id obf8NOiCFyHV for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht2-outbound.cloudmark.com (ht2-outbound.cloudmark.com [72.5.239.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC1321F8625 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas902.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::54de:dc60:5f3e:334%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:58:34 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFZ4N9/3fqTz+/k+5POCYoEPL9JaR7mdA Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 04:58:33 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CE281@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CE281exchmbx901corpclo_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:58:36 -0000 --_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CE281exchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd say there's no need to publish the requirements document alone. It cou= ld be either used as a reference for WG work and ultimately discarded, or c= ompressed and merged into the "main" technical document if there ends up be= ing such a thing and we decide it's good to list our requirements as justif= ication for the output. I'd also suggest we use the three existing individual submission "weirds" d= ocuments as milestones replacing that generic one to which you're referring= . The dates for the query and RIR ones could both be November of this year= , and the domains one in July, unless people feel that last one could resol= ve quicker. -MSK --_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CE281exchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’d say there’= ;s no need to publish the requirements document alone.  It could be ei= ther used as a reference for WG work and ultimately discarded, or compresse= d and merged into the “main” technical document if there ends up= being such a thing and we decide it’s good to list our requirements = as justification for the output.

 <= /p>

I’d also suggest we= use the three existing individual submission “weirds” document= s as milestones replacing that generic one to which you’re referring.=   The dates for the query and RIR ones could both be November of this year, and = the domains one in July, unless people feel that last one could resolve qui= cker.

 <= /p>

-MSK

 <= /p> 

 
--_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CE281exchmbx901corpclo_-- From shollenbeck@verisign.com Mon Apr 9 04:43:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8829921F86B3 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 04:43:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qLMd5KhjOgB0 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 04:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og117.obsmtp.com (exprod6og117.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C0A21F86B1 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 04:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob117.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT4LLNSYQ9AsCTfp6kXX6LIcZrPubNO7e@postini.com; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:43:19 PDT Received: from dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.138]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q39BgfOe029570; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:42:41 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.139]) by dul1wnexcn01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:42:40 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXCAS02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.173.152.206]) by dul1wnexcn04.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:42:41 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 07:42:40 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Pete Resnick , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkXdl4So63N2Fkuf7RGi4bPKaw== Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:42:39 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5DBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2012 11:42:41.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[DEE422E0:01CD1645] Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:43:24 -0000 --_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5DBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Pete Resnick Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:40 AM To: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF chart= er) Now that we're settled in on the rest of the language in the charter, I hav= e some questions regarding the work items. In particular: Milestones Nov 2012 Draft WEIRDS requirements to the IESG for publication as an Informational RFC. Jul 2013 Draft WEIRDS specifications for registry queries and response= s to the IESG for publication on the Standards Track. [snip] The other thing that I noticed is that the second milestone is "Draft WEIRD= S specifications". That sounds to me like "one or more documents", and they= 're all due at the same time. Can we come up with more granular deliverable= s at this time, or are we leaving that as a future exercise? I'm ambivalent= on the point, and I don't think having them is *necessary* for me to put t= he charter on the IESG's agenda, but I do suspect I'm going to get the ques= tion during IESG review of the charter. Pete, a small group of us has been discussing one possible approach to meet= the "Draft WEIRDS specifications" milestone. We think there's a need for m= ultiple documents, including one document that addresses common needs (thin= gs like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response codes, and the like) for bo= th names and numbers, another document for a names query specification, and= two names documents for XML- and JSON-formatted names responses. RIR query= and response documents would also be in the mix. Excluding the requirement= s, that's six documents. Scott --_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5DBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Pete Resnick
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 11:40 AM
To: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-Bo= F charter)

 

Now that we're settled in on the rest of the languag= e in the charter, I have some questions regarding the work items. In partic= ular:


Milestones
    Nov 2012  Draft WEIRDS requirements to the IES=
G for publication as
           &nbs=
p;  an Informational RFC.
 
    Jul 2013  Draft WEIRDS specifications for regi=
stry queries and responses
           &nbs=
p;  to the IESG for publication on the Standards Track.

 

[snip]


The other thing that I noticed is that the second milestone is "Draft = WEIRDS specifications". That sounds to me like "one or more docum= ents", and they're all due at the same time. Can we come up with more = granular deliverables at this time, or are we leaving that as a future exercise? I'm ambivalent on the point, and I don't think = having them is *necessary* for me to put the charter on the IESG's agenda, = but I do suspect I'm going to get the question during IESG review of the ch= arter.

Pete, a small group of us has been discussing= one possible approach to meet the “Draft WEIRDS specifications”= ; milestone. We think there’s a need for multiple documents, includin= g one document that addresses common needs (things like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response codes, and the like) for both name= s and numbers, another document for a names query specification, and two na= mes documents for XML- and JSON-formatted names responses. RIR query and re= sponse documents would also be in the mix. Excluding the requirements, that’s six documents.

 <= /p>

Scott

--_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5DBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_-- From galvin+weirds@elistx.com Mon Apr 9 06:22:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6883921F869D for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:22:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id deIBp+EbNgvT for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ee01.elistx.com (ee01.elistx.com [67.155.182.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10CB21F85F4 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by elistx.com (PMDF V6.3-2x2 #31965) with ESMTP id <0M2700A2PRQQVI@elistx.com> for weirds@ietf.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 09:22:43 -0400 From: Jim Galvin In-reply-to: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CE281@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> To: weirds@ietf.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CE281@exch-mbx901.corp.clo udmark.com> Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:22:19 -0000 +1 -- On April 9, 2012 4:58:33 AM +0000 "Murray S. Kucherawy"=20 wrote regarding Re: [weirds] Requirements document=20 and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) -- > > > I=E2=80=99d say there=E2=80=99s no need to publish the requirements = document > alone. It could be either used as a reference for WG work and > ultimately discarded, or compressed and merged into the = =E2=80=9Cmain=E2=80=9D > technical document if there ends up being such a thing and we decide > it=E2=80=99s good to list our requirements as justification for the = output. > > > > I=E2=80=99d also suggest we use the three existing individual = submission > =E2=80=9Cweirds=E2=80=9D documents as milestones replacing that = generic one to > which you=E2=80=99re referring. The dates for the query and RIR ones = could > both be November of this year, and the domains one in July, unless > people feel that last one could resolve quicker. > > > > -MSK From Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Tue Apr 10 01:36:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8FB21F85CF for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:36:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q-pio7pcg2eW for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:36:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7A821F844F for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:36:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:From:To:Subject: Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:Content-Type: MIME-Version; b=BnXcCPzsG7fedrao9+WCRa6ZoETq/CfRujh9fFbD9s8/MIZiKSxBUMpc XG3ea8uH//BixBr0QeSrINxYZuIZWezyeIn1SqHaLQmqfrXWjMa2sjlNv 1ZuyBL1qf1fLkiM; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1334046993; x=1365582993; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray=20Bellis=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[weirds]=20Requirements=20document=20an d=20milestones=20(Was:=20Post-BoF=0D=0A=20charter)|Date: =20Tue,=2010=20Apr=202012=2008:36:29=20+0000|Message-ID: =20<8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> |To:=20"weirds@ietf.org"=20 |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<831693C2CDA2E849A7D7 A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> |References:=20<9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@ex ch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com>=0D=0A=20<4F81B16C.6030302@q ualcomm.com>=0D=0A=20<831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5 DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>; bh=cYluzOjnasJ4NyM3byJ1L0Ee3vtnbvWzde78Y4X23oU=; b=Ez3hVKQddhlMy9lc5aYbwIC2MnMt/fOZv1oYGfqPmSXhTZSMNb0+9pqX 722Xkz/Ajg2qv3jK1qPOxJpICTRePW0H4nW9BV2vZsG0pLKHoxb1Rs6Sm WYeH6FHMi4/bLR9; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,398,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="39633988" Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 10 Apr 2012 09:36:30 +0100 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%19]) with mapi; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:36:30 +0100 From: Ray Bellis To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkX9/9DV5i5qjkGNoCY4I+bzlJaTrLyA Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:36:29 +0000 Message-ID: <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_8BE2510355004980B27C68084971031Enominetorguk_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:36:34 -0000 --_000_8BE2510355004980B27C68084971031Enominetorguk_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 9 Apr 2012, at 12:42, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: Pete, a small group of us has been discussing one possible approach to meet= the =93Draft WEIRDS specifications=94 milestone. We think there=92s a need= for multiple documents, including one document that addresses common needs= (things like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response codes, and the like) = for both names and numbers, another document for a names query specificatio= n, and two names documents for XML- and JSON-formatted names responses. RIR= query and response documents would also be in the mix. Excluding the requi= rements, that=92s six documents. That sounds like a good plan - I've not been involved in that small group b= ut it's exactly what I would have proposed. Ray --_000_8BE2510355004980B27C68084971031Enominetorguk_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <072520b4-f67a-4bce-8bc3-35fe0935916f> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 9 Apr 2012, at 12:42, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:

 

That sounds like a good= plan - I've not been involved in that small group but it's exactly what I = would have proposed.

Ray


= = --_000_8BE2510355004980B27C68084971031Enominetorguk_-- From ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net Tue Apr 10 06:35:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030A621F8504 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L6ksSExgXS6Y for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (nic-naa.net [65.99.1.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6412121F84FC for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from limpet.local (69-92-98-218.cpe.cableone.net [69.92.98.218]) by nic-naa.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3AAhU5c015463 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net) Message-ID: <4F843734.90206@abenaki.wabanaki.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:35:48 -0400 From: Eric Brunner-Williams Organization: wampumpeag User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:35:55 -0000 On 4/10/12 4:36 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: >> >> Pete, a small group of us has been discussing one possible approach >> to meet the =93Draft WEIRDS specifications=94 milestone. We think >> there=92s a need for multiple documents, including one document that >> addresses common needs (things like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP >> response codes, and the like) for both names and numbers, another >> document for a names query specification, and two names documents >> for XML- and JSON-formatted names responses. RIR query and response >> documents would also be in the mix. Excluding the requirements, >> that=92s six documents.=20 >=20 > That sounds like a good plan - I've not been involved in that small > group but it's exactly what I would have proposed. i agree with ray, with an additional document dealing with structural variations and constraints on data redistribution. -e From Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Tue Apr 10 09:01:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2AC21F8615 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:01:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aeB7gHlGkrCT for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mail.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3E921F860E for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:01:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:From:To:CC:Subject: Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:Content-Type: Content-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=RWPZFy8Zl+Z4qU8qreiL2xNRC6n1hNiGRQYSu/XAu69v2kJIMjolCaO3 9WJVaRwycsw3lqFFKSww/HakTHBsW6pj+hskPnItfTXzaQkqexzbSb1yZ 8rivsApwVeTkgHi; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1334073717; x=1365609717; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray=20Bellis=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[weirds]=20Requirements=20document=20an d=20milestones=20(Was:=20Post-BoF=0D=0A=20charter)|Date: =20Tue,=2010=20Apr=202012=2016:01:54=20+0000|Message-ID: =20<3365973F-4428-47A5-8918-251E40D0297C@nominet.org.uk> |To:=20""=20|CC:=20""=20 |MIME-Version:=201.0|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted- printable|Content-ID:=20<7ca6a9b0-ae53-48d2-aa97-f70d4a43 e8af>|In-Reply-To:=20<4F843734.90206@abenaki.wabanaki.net >|References:=20<9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@e xch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com>=0D=0A=20<4F81B16C.6030302@ qualcomm.com>=0D=0A=20<831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D 5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>=0D=0A=20<8BE25103 -5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk>=0D=0A=20<4F8 43734.90206@abenaki.wabanaki.net>; bh=qyusC32wIz7DUUM/+qq520zwRDd7p7bWDdAS1c62c5M=; b=z5aMKS9nd4zbmNsTnqPEj3KlFCyBRYZ251o4fMT7EedQCDNlTMRHFloK ABje0dw+j/PM83MVt/Z0Q+cXHSFUDApyQpItTBsLeqUrNUAU/fYzhnxgk G/CIQDciYq+l9vQ; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,399,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="39649282" Received: from wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.145]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 10 Apr 2012 17:01:55 +0100 Received: from WDS-EXC1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f]) by wds-exc2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4%19]) with mapi; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:01:55 +0100 From: Ray Bellis To: "" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkX9/9DV5i5qjkGNoCY4I+bzlJaTrLyAgABToQCAACjSAA== Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:01:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3365973F-4428-47A5-8918-251E40D0297C@nominet.org.uk> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> <4F843734.90206@abenaki.wabanaki.net> In-Reply-To: <4F843734.90206@abenaki.wabanaki.net> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <7ca6a9b0-ae53-48d2-aa97-f70d4a43e8af> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:01:58 -0000 On 10 Apr 2012, at 14:35, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: > i agree with ray, with an additional document dealing with structural > variations and constraints on data redistribution. Please elaborate. The latter sounds like a policy issue. Ray From dario@lacnic.net Tue Apr 10 10:44:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A484721F86E8 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:44:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.114 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.114 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XgM8cJJ3a1Ak for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0359A21F86E4 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:5000:226:18ff:feef:1693] (unknown [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:5000:226:18ff:feef:1693]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEE9308424 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:43:41 -0300 (UYT) Message-ID: <4F84714F.6060802@lacnic.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:43:43 -0300 From: =?windows-1252?Q?Dar=EDo_G=F3mez?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <20120321084728.13258.qmail@joyce.lan> <9CE1C82A-3EED-47EA-B39B-E2EC1D660598@lacnic.net> <0A5D71D7-73D3-4736-8FEC-D0252B1263C0@isc.org> <20120321153931.GG48500@mail.yitter.info> <4F6A07D1.20209@gmail.com> <7DA0994D-5A55-4035-ACE5-513F38139BAD@arin.net> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280961EA@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <0C45F0C4-4308-490E-AF89-F7A8929F51ED@paypal.com> In-Reply-To: <0C45F0C4-4308-490E-AF89-F7A8929F51ED@paypal.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: dario@lacnic.net Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-01.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:44:00 -0000 Dear colleagues, My name is Dario Gomez, I'm the rest whois developer on LACNIC. I working on the propose modifications in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-01 and could notate than never talk about the Autonomous systems numbers topic. I take the opportunity to propose a solution for ASNs: 3.6. Hosts Queries for information about autonomuos systems (or nameservers) are of the form /autnum/XXX/... where the path segment following ’autnum’ is a autonomuos system number [RFC5396]. Here are some example queries: base URL: http://whois.tld/somepath /autnum/28000/ - queries for autonomuos system for number 28000. 4.1. Autonomuos Systems Example Query: http://whois.test/autnum/1234/ Response: 1234 AIL AIL ABL2 UY-LACN-LACNIC 2005-01-05T09:10:56Z 2008-03-26T10:11:18Z AIL Arturo Servin LACNIC - Latin American and Caribbean IP address Rambla Rep. Mexico 6125 Montevideo MVD 11600 UY +59826042222 +59826042222 ipadmin@LACNIC.NET UY-LACN-LACNIC 2008-01-25T22:00:00.0Z 2011-05-12T09:00:00.0Z UY-LACN-LACNIC LACNIC - Latin American and Caribbean IP address Kind regards, Darío El 21/03/12 19:42, Smith, Bill escribió: > +1 > > > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:35 PM, "Murray S. Kucherawy" wrote: > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andy Newton >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:02 PM >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> Subject: Re: [weirds] New Version Notification for draft-sheng-weirds-icann-rws-dnrd-01.txt >>> >>> Are you buying? Because, my friend, you haven't enough money if this >>> thread is any indication of how that discussion will go. >> We're certainly earning our name. :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> weirds mailing list >> weirds@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds -- Darío Gómez Departamento de Ingeniería LACNIC Tel.: +598 26042222 Int. 4405 Fax: +598 26042222 ext. 4112 Rambla Rep. de México 6125 - C.P. 11400 Montevideo, Uruguay www.lacnic.net From bje@apnic.net Tue Apr 10 18:32:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A793911E8143 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:32:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YaKfPfntqRV0 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp.apnic.net (asmtp.apnic.net [IPv6:2001:dc0:2001:11::199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3A111E811A for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:dc0:a000:4:c9d2:eea:8263:68b7] (unknown [IPv6:2001:dc0:a000:4:c9d2:eea:8263:68b7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asmtp.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF4EB66CC; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:32:43 +1000 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F4151BCE-D06D-4711-A3F5-400FEC92F541"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Byron Ellacott In-Reply-To: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D46650B8D0B53@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:32:43 +1000 Message-Id: References: <8BC845943058D844ABFC73D2220D46650B8D0B53@nics-mail.sbg.nic.at> To: Alexander Mayrhofer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:32:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F4151BCE-D06D-4711-A3F5-400FEC92F541 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 06/04/2012, at 5:37 PM, Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: > b) Variants >=20 > IDN registrations can lead to "variants" of a domain name, which are = automatically > "bundled" with the "main registration". Such variants may or may not = show up in=20 > the DNS, based on policy. For example, registration of "w=FCrstel.tld" = *could* also=20 > automatically register "wuerstel.tld" as a variant. Typically, there's = only one registration record for such an IDN bundle, and typically, = there's a "base registration". >=20 > In such a case, a server could also respond with 303 See Other, = redirecting the client to=20 > the base registration. >=20 > In case that an IDN bundle does not have a "base registration", but = all Variants are equal, > the server could also respond with a 300 Multiple Choices (however, on = a second thought > it probably doesn't make much sense, because this would send the = client into an endless > loop of trying to find the variant that contains the actual = registration data). If the names response follows a similar path to the numbers response, = I'd expect this sort of information to (potentially) be in the "uris" = response element: "label" : "w=FCrstel.tld", "uris" : [ { "type" : "variant", "uri" : "http://example.com/rws/name/wuerstel.tld" } ], But potentially, this could also be a canonical registration label and a = variants list: "label" : "w=FCrstel.tld", "variants" : [ "wuerstel.tld" ], If the request is for http://example.com/rws/name/wuerstel.tld, it can = either redirect to /rws/name/w=FCrstel.tld or give the same response = with the canonical uri in the "source" uris link. I'm not sure if the appropriate model for variant registrations is to = have them each represented as a separate registration, or to have them = represented as variations of the label in the single registration, but = there are ways to handle either case while keeping to the "zero or one = responses" design choice. 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boundary="------------020200000809000403050303" X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 01:06:50 -0000 --------------020200000809000403050303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I ask whoever was last holding the pen on the charter to write up some milestones based on either Scott's (or Murray's more compact) suggestions? (I'm fine with either; up to you all.) I'll then get the charter on the IESG agenda for two weeks from now. pr On 4/10/12 3:36 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: > On 9 Apr 2012, at 12:42, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > >> Pete, a small group of us has been discussing one possible approach >> to meet the "Draft WEIRDS specifications" milestone. We think there's >> a need for multiple documents, including one document that addresses >> common needs (things like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response >> codes, and the like) for both names and numbers, another document for >> a names query specification, and two names documents for XML- and >> JSON-formatted names responses. RIR query and response documents >> would also be in the mix. Excluding the requirements, that's six >> documents. > > That sounds like a good plan - I've not been involved in that small > group but it's exactly what I would have proposed. > > Ray -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 --------------020200000809000403050303 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can I ask whoever was last holding the pen on the charter to write up some milestones based on either Scott's (or Murray's more compact) suggestions? (I'm fine with either; up to you all.) I'll then get the charter on the IESG agenda for two weeks from now.

pr

On 4/10/12 3:36 AM, Ray Bellis wrote:

On 9 Apr 2012, at 12:42, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:

Pete, a small group of us has been discussing one possible approach to meet the “Draft WEIRDS specifications” milestone. We think there’s a need for multiple documents, including one document that addresses common needs (things like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response codes, and the like) for both names and numbers, another document for a names query specification, and two names documents for XML- and JSON-formatted names responses. RIR query and response documents would also be in the mix. Excluding the requirements, that’s six documents. 

That sounds like a good plan - I've not been involved in that small group but it's exactly what I would have proposed.

Ray

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Pete Resnick <http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
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--------------020200000809000403050303-- From andrei.robachevsky@gmail.com Thu Apr 12 04:59:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B866F21F8607 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EzWnM3ztWMaM for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D2C21F85F8 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkuw5 with SMTP id w5so1860360bku.31 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oawqw9wHvXuxTuvUymImDMTJzaWCAKrzTqNdIiCeLnA=; b=Xxvj/SklibRhPzziWOBoIeT0Qyf2VPmqfjmj1QgRX9SNL+MVZ7DftR9XZjDNUgCWZB YNMrLvE4VJut+cXvu1CBrfWy51BvWWxVb+KjhBl84o00hIJpMntbkWM/vG0230+H5bAM rWAP1zGOExx5QOq74NpnwbrNZgW30RdyYW3qQDtqyxgqbZ5To7udjjnBUKyh2fDFbqhw gHWb7UeAa97wIGGTYqotUQQ/3RUQCQKtNhGaDdccjYaF5SWf64kTZp78ZvAy1U0injSb ThEwFx7J7X5lynlWSb7KsLceDUPLyT947DFtNvYhGN5FMWOoPqXMF+ZtHJ4AHpXgFqDP ktJg== Received: by 10.204.154.66 with SMTP id n2mr680790bkw.77.1334231960577; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Andrei-Robachevskys-MacBook-Air.local (d126092.upc-d.chello.nl. [213.46.126.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gu12sm10569460bkc.1.2012.04.12.04.59.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F86C394.40306@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:59:16 +0200 From: Andrei Robachevsky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "weirds@ietf.org" References: <4F78B70C.3060502@KingsMountain.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280CBDCB@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <334E4D55-3C6E-4559-9D24-37B5CCE3B8EC@paypal.com> In-Reply-To: <334E4D55-3C6E-4559-9D24-37B5CCE3B8EC@paypal.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] Post-BoF charter X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:59:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Smith, Bill wrote on 05/04/2012 19:50: > To be honest, I've lost track of where the charter sits now. > > Regardless of the language, I have no objection to the work > proceeding. I think the number/name issue has been sufficiently > debated for all sides to understand each other (if desired), and as > a consequence, I will consent to any charter that emerges. > > For me it's more important that the work proceed than to argue over > charter language. > > On Apr 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > I made some suggestions, but I agree with Bill's comments. The latest version works for me. 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Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkX7tAMuP50U7ky1n7m3+XE7MJaUMtmAgAKm/YCAALfbwA== Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:06:52 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> <4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23Cexchmbx901corpclo_" MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1334257613; bh=jDxeHAxrdfGGdWpBQlglVIUhHIGeLemGe+Ru4KOAgXc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=tv0H/hGpg4HwkOELX6DpGe+THS2KIUX++BDjZGcqdSpF6UduxjBwbfw5pd+fdjBPq uDwMwvUnl4Sn3rWmjHTOGV5KI/QmkGfY+dPs47xmSkmDTxTAZrcPd3uFoTHtofhPLS me/V1yHbvZi5XxbLYOZ42I4fBS6DPcPwjAhSP1UI= Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:07:30 -0000 --_004_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23Cexchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23Cexchmbx901corpclo_" --_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23Cexchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete, Attached. I think the specific format(s) discussion can be left to the WG, so I've ma= de the milestones slightly more generic than what Scott suggested. Comments from the community, please. -MSK From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Pete Resnick Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:07 PM To: Ray Bellis Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF c= harter) Can I ask whoever was last holding the pen on the charter to write up some = milestones based on either Scott's (or Murray's more compact) suggestions? = (I'm fine with either; up to you all.) I'll then get the charter on the IES= G agenda for two weeks from now. pr On 4/10/12 3:36 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: On 9 Apr 2012, at 12:42, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: Pete, a small group of us has been discussing one possible approach to meet= the "Draft WEIRDS specifications" milestone. We think there's a need for m= ultiple documents, including one document that addresses common needs (thin= gs like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response codes, and the like) for bo= th names and numbers, another document for a names query specification, and= two names documents for XML- and JSON-formatted names responses. RIR query= and response documents would also be in the mix. Excluding the requirement= s, that's six documents. That sounds like a good plan - I've not been involved in that small group b= ut it's exactly what I would have proposed. Ray -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102 --_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23Cexchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Pete,

 <= /p>

Attached.

 <= /p>

I think the specific form= at(s) discussion can be left to the WG, so I’ve made the milestones s= lightly more generic than what Scott suggested.

 <= /p>

Comments from the communi= ty, please.

 <= /p>

-MSK

 <= /p>

From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Pete Resnick
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:07 PM
To: Ray Bellis
Cc: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Pos= t-BoF charter)

 

Can I ask whoever was last holding the pen on the ch= arter to write up some milestones based on either Scott's (or Murray's more= compact) suggestions? (I'm fine with either; up to you all.) I'll then get= the charter on the IESG agenda for two weeks from now.

pr

On 4/10/12 3:36 AM, Ray Bellis wrote:


On 9 Apr 2012, at 12:= 42, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:

Pete, a small group of us has been discussing one possible appro= ach to meet the “Draft WEIRDS specifications” milestone. We thi= nk there’s a need for multiple documents, including one document that addresses common needs (things like basic HTTP/TLS trans= port, HTTP response codes, and the like) for both names and numbers, anothe= r document for a names query specification, and two names documents for XML= - and JSON-formatted names responses. RIR query and response documents would also be in the mix. Excluding the r= equirements, that’s six documents. 

 

That sounds like a good plan - I've not been involve= d in that small group but it's exactly what I would have proposed.

 

Ray



-- 
Pete Resnick <http:/=
/www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-110=
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Kucherawy" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkX9/9DV5i5qjkGNoCY4I+bzlJaTrLyAgAKm/oCAAS3NAIAA+jUA Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:02:24 +0000 Message-ID: References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> <4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F4791D2137424B6699CB0C08D9F09268nominetorguk_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:02:29 -0000 --_000_F4791D2137424B6699CB0C08D9F09268nominetorguk_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12 Apr 2012, at 20:06, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Pete, Attached. I think the specific format(s) discussion can be left to the WG, so I=92ve = made the milestones slightly more generic than what Scott suggested. Comments from the community, please. Wasn't the plan for separate response docs for XML and JSON ? Ray --_000_F4791D2137424B6699CB0C08D9F09268nominetorguk_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 12 Apr 2012, at 20:06, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

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= --_000_F4791D2137424B6699CB0C08D9F09268nominetorguk_-- From peter@denic.de Fri Apr 13 04:51:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C57421F87DC for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ezeisLHSxgMp for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D005221F87DB for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 04:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1SIf2e-0008Cz-P3; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:51:52 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1SIf2e-0002NG-L2; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:51:52 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:51:52 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120413115152.GC8966@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: weirds@ietf.org References: <4F7DD788.5040308@qualcomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F7DD788.5040308@qualcomm.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [weirds] Please speak up if you *need* the "escape clause" in the charter (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:51:55 -0000 On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 12:34:00PM -0500, Pete Resnick wrote: > If you were one of the people who wanted the "escape clause" added to > the charter to make it clear that names could be abandoned if it was not > making progress, please speak up and say whether the new escape clause > is sufficient. > {catching up} while I usually appreciate sarcasm, I do not think the wording in Should the Working Group reach a point where it determines that the problem of producing a grand unified specification for both numbers and names appears to be intractable, it will be permitted to divide the problem into separate tasks and amend its milestones accordingly. is really helpful. Should the WG decide it is stalled, it is allowed to un-stall. Now, what? We have already seeen other discussions on this list that emphasize that names and number "spaces" are different and will increase the complexity of a single approach. So, I do not see the reservations against a combined approach addressed, but on the other hand the overwhelming enthusiasm to solve the "whois problem" this time has made this ship sail. Let's hope there's no need to rearrange the deck chairs again. That said, I do not support this version, but I'll also cease objections. I do have reservations about the two-milestones-only, but there's a place upthread to address that. -Peter, waiting for the Cassandra T-shirt From peter@denic.de Fri Apr 13 05:18:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4213121F873D for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lmr1pmQe8ZmA for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA5121F86E2 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.128]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1SIfSp-0008MZ-V2; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:18:56 +0200 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1SIfSp-0002s1-RK; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:18:55 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:18:55 +0200 From: Peter Koch To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120413121855.GD8966@x27.adm.denic.de> Mail-Followup-To: weirds@ietf.org References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:18:57 -0000 On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 05:56:23PM +0000, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > This has come up in other work a few times, and I'm wondering how the names folks here might see this being handled by WEIRDS, if at all. > Suppose I am asked to evaluate the domain name foo.bar.baz.ietf.org. It's not in the DNS directly, though related records like SOA and NS do exist. Depending on how the DNS is set up, an SOA query on the name might return "ietf.org", which is far more useful. But this also might not be the case (if, say, "baz" is delegated). registration and delegation are orthogonal concepts. There is delegation with and without "registration' and there is also registration with and without delegation. The hierarchy in the DNS forward namespace does neither follow nor imply any administrative hierarchy. Anything that uses the DNS must not depend on the presence or absence of zone cuts, since these are operational boundaries only that in some cases can be created and revoked at will. > Some groups have taken to using public suffix lists, but those have their own sets of problems, most notably that they are maintained by volunteers and may not be kept as current as would be desired in, say, a security-related environment. Some groups also believe that domain names consist of three parts, the leftmost of which is "www". The "public suffix list" is a heuristic and, IMHO, addressing the wrong problem. I'd wish that nothing like this (to refer to your initial question) will have any relevance in WEIRDS. -Peter From andy@hxr.us Fri Apr 13 05:44:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A968D21F861D for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HYjPmcFD+0dQ for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-f42.google.com (mail-qa0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF58621F8609 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qafi31 with SMTP id i31so5320748qaf.15 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:44:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=Qdr1y2R8DRsXrBNnLccgyqUeS82aOyXUQsBS+u/RQxk=; b=NkTFE1OAUqC/p3oJgLIAf2n8iIC690NeGaJ733rrh0cwuBRzgl0Hu4FT8f5aiqCY2j mS8TqsHDgUsSXyo297JcHNIxxdH0pBlAkWSR5y3OCzjdtgDox6bZZ7M9H/vbYheWRPb9 J7zjR8ePukm7hw2bIjkBWOrGY7uJcFRQgZhIJ1ipY9jlA67FZBiWY8BXnB015Trcn8ze 1e5OFxOD+hYAYH/t9g0yOkkGq3NyK9Qep9MhQBP+XkAJm5z2lffar6fAUok4LYwDGudY KLg9ieu7Enb5sEoGIYb658WWg7zGJUdnRk7kmBo/IXxFCDNVSyYmtPOH6Bg+2Ueqdhtc tBTA== Received: by 10.224.180.200 with SMTP id bv8mr2347404qab.29.1334321075980; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tapvpn1u-156.arin.net (core.arin.net. [192.149.252.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df8sm17365660qab.6.2012.04.13.05.44.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Apr 2012 05:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Andy Newton In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:44:31 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <24E9C047-D081-49EE-9FDF-5B738A52404D@hxr.us> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> <4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> To: Ray Bellis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnOQOABFfOO6zb9wK5+d5DWWpC+M6KXQmeC2KoFmhR4m+Ka0/EoprXkURegF18R4ukER28h Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:44:39 -0000 On Apr 13, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: > Wasn't the plan for separate response docs for XML and JSON ? And I think it still is. As has been explained to me in the past, a = milestone may constitute more than one document by the time the WG is = done trying to meet that milestone. -andy= From msk@cloudmark.com Fri Apr 13 08:06:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06D221F84BF for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:06:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.688 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuighhMvFJKf for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688B021F847D for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com ([72.5.239.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id xT5r1i0010ZaKgw01T5rUs; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:05:51 -0700 X-CMAE-Match: 0 X-CMAE-Score: 0.00 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H85ZMpki c=1 sm=1 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:17 a=ldJM1g7oyCcA:10 a=ZqFBRLf65eQA:10 a=zutiEJmiVI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=BeRbRfHnCqjrRw_KCDoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=vkzsTE_2XVAA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:117 Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:05:51 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkX7tAMuP50U7ky1n7m3+XE7MJaUMtmAgAKm/YCAALfbwIABcCcAgAAtTID//7HTAA== Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:05:51 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280EF73B@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> <4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <24E9C047-D081-49EE-9FDF-5B738A52404D@hxr.us> In-Reply-To: <24E9C047-D081-49EE-9FDF-5B738A52404D@hxr.us> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1334329551; bh=hmX28dmzKcwvR3b0QsgnFCuQLU+4/SabW6du5Pq9dQI=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=GhnYHU3HF4t6RkA9z3d+VjbsjgIoiXJiqvCS4NAaL62qy19RdNnT313VSShZXsx2A iG3YvjdpqBFjwhkKIniuA33TQSWAOU26dqac55v7BNQTkQvvaX839DdUDTplty/laO ekPcP93HDv2tBfyg+rFaHQCk5AG9+WZqyKoi/UUc= Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:06:04 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Newton [mailto:andy@hxr.us] > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:45 AM > To: Ray Bellis > Cc: Murray S. Kucherawy; weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post- Bo= F charter) >=20 > On Apr 13, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: >=20 > > Wasn't the plan for separate response docs for XML and JSON ? >=20 > And I think it still is. As has been explained to me in the past, a > milestone may constitute more than one document by the time the WG is > done trying to meet that milestone. Right. We could go the other way and list both, and then possibly decide n= ot to do one or the other. But either way, both cases are covered. If Pete prefers it, we could be explicit, but I don't think it's necessary. -MSK From msk@cloudmark.com Fri Apr 13 08:07:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D2B21F84CD for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:07:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.685 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.685 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.086, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j+GZuj1KQnMA for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F57F21F84C4 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com ([72.5.239.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id xT7F1i0020ZaKgw01T7FVQ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:07:15 -0700 X-CMAE-Match: 0 X-CMAE-Score: 0.00 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=H85ZMpki c=1 sm=1 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:17 a=ldJM1g7oyCcA:10 a=fjWVo3Zq7BIA:10 a=zutiEJmiVI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=Nuqceu8Va_aLCXJW3foA:9 a=eaZ7eIsgrlfsHIdCgPwA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:117 Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:07:15 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Determining the registered domain Thread-Index: Ac0Q+eponj8U/ZC+SgmY+QGYNCkMJQIsFo2AAAjS02A= Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:07:15 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280EF761@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C6162@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <20120413121855.GD8966@x27.adm.denic.de> In-Reply-To: <20120413121855.GD8966@x27.adm.denic.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1334329636; bh=bofjxWWs+p7eoYpsfJSKzISX/w8/EZ+wQdUhT0ny9Sc=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=uOBhINaNyR0hQD7fGP1GHUz3tlexnMXC7QLtofEhy/SlprB1F+u4QTYRn4BnbRABW 36c5fT/iraiSEbNC4sb5AAyJjnEURU/8WoPiXuk8EkPmMuKtIlbzAbkFfc4G1OivxE QCP7AJL2LHS2yiZyaHlDjOQ1xOuuLre4PiXFQVbg= Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:07:17 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Peter Koch > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:19 AM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] Determining the registered domain >=20 > Some groups also believe that domain names consist of three parts, the le= ftmost > of which is "www". The "public suffix list" is a heuristic and, IMHO, a= ddressing > the wrong problem. I'd wish that nothing like this (to refer to your > initial question) will have any relevance in WEIRDS. Right, it's the use of public suffix stuff that I'm hoping that either WEIR= DS or other work can obviate. -MSK From Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Fri Apr 13 09:55:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC4D21F85F0 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQiqqtJcBy+T for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mail.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF3021F864E for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:55:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:From:To:CC:Subject: Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:Content-Type: Content-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=f9Rg0D1U/xOch5L04X/kIt8UsgyS8wr160FEjQnn1xJ0sXyaxA3ORtYj iKNhsqYjCUrqLSxzJnTrvSFxlf/OvJFnQTxbv7ntYzvHddtpZupvHU7hU VyigcSsoNGGLmjf; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1334336143; x=1365872143; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray=20Bellis=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[weirds]=20Requirements=20document=20an d=20milestones=20(Was:=20Post-BoF=0D=0A=20charter)|Date: =20Fri,=2013=20Apr=202012=2016:55:43=20+0000|Message-ID: =20 |To:=20"Murray=20S.=20Kucherawy"=20 |CC:=20"weirds@ietf.org"=20 |MIME-Version:=201.0|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted- printable|Content-ID:=20|In-Reply-To:=20<9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280EF 73B@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com>|References:=20<945207 9D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudma rk.com>=0D=0A=20<4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com>=0D=0A=20< 831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vc orp.ad.vrsn.com>=0D=0A=20<8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-6808497 1031E@nominet.org.uk>=0D=0A=20<4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm. com>=0D=0A=20<9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch -mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com>=0D=0A=20=0D=0A=20<24E9C047-D081-4 9EE-9FDF-5B738A52404D@hxr.us>=0D=0A=20<9452079D1A51524AA5 749AD23E0039280EF73B@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com>; bh=Y/x8KE3kU8UuolOYHuuSHywxvTML6+VS/OX7gLkwsBs=; b=v19EUnVLPZWFQlzCL9HUeAb/Rk2fQ6jfA7UmZIf2AZoujWHryg8yRDZk usmDyBL6hIO9wwlT0ilMAZ3QOMl4QlNUfRXlT+Kd9XSVGyzUzXxHZnZ+T TLRtlHxlzir9lje; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,418,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="39709699" Received: from wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.144]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 13 Apr 2012 17:55:41 +0100 Received: from WDS-EXC2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4]) by wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f%19]) with mapi; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:55:40 +0100 From: Ray Bellis To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkX9/9DV5i5qjkGNoCY4I+bzlJaTrLyAgAKm/oCAAS3NAIAA+jUAgAAtTICAACd8gIAAHrOA Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:55:43 +0000 Message-ID: References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> <4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <24E9C047-D081-49EE-9FDF-5B738A52404D@hxr.us> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280EF73B@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280EF73B@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:55:44 -0000 On 13 Apr 2012, at 16:05, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Right. We could go the other way and list both, and then possibly decide= not to do one or the other. But either way, both cases are covered. >=20 > If Pete prefers it, we could be explicit, but I don't think it's necessar= y. That's fair enough if the milestone says "a specification", or some similar= generic word for a document. But the text specifically says: "Aug 2013 Draft specifying the format for responses to domain name registration data queries to the IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard." The plain English reading of that is -one- draft. Ray From fobispo@isc.org Fri Apr 13 10:05:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DC521F848A for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:05:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tWNT7emm1w3a for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:2::2b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D421021F846E for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:05:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 963BEC941E; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fobispo@isc.org) Received: from [192.168.255.104] (c-76-126-250-157.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.126.250.157]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66C1E216C31; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:05:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fobispo@isc.org) References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280C151D@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <4F81B16C.6030302@qualcomm.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5DEB5D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <8BE25103-5500-4980-B27C-68084971031E@nominet.org.uk> <4F862AA1.9040800@qualcomm.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280ED23C@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <24E9C047-D081-49EE-9FDF-5B738A52404D@hxr.us> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280EF73B@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280EF73B@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B179) From: Francisco Obispo Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:05:31 -0700 To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:05:46 -0000 In any case both documents should model the same data requirements. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2012, at 8:05 AM, "Murray S. Kucherawy" wrote= : >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Andy Newton [mailto:andy@hxr.us] >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 5:45 AM >> To: Ray Bellis >> Cc: Murray S. Kucherawy; weirds@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post- Bo= F charter) >>=20 >> On Apr 13, 2012, at 6:02 AM, Ray Bellis wrote: >>=20 >>> Wasn't the plan for separate response docs for XML and JSON ? >>=20 >> And I think it still is. As has been explained to me in the past, a >> milestone may constitute more than one document by the time the WG is >> done trying to meet that milestone. >=20 > Right. We could go the other way and list both, and then possibly decide n= ot to do one or the other. But either way, both cases are covered. >=20 > If Pete prefers it, we could be explicit, but I don't think it's necessary= . >=20 > -MSK > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds From steve.sheng@icann.org Mon Apr 16 16:24:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FA511E80E4 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:24:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OpFs6NRSRLGo for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXPFE100-2.exc.icann.org (expfe100-2.exc.icann.org [64.78.22.237]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE3111E80E7 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.232]) by EXPFE100-2.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.237]) with mapi; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:24:50 -0700 From: Steve Sheng To: Ray Bellis , "Murray S. Kucherawy" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:24:47 -0700 Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: Ac0cKB6CsCcUdHCeQvOauNuIe5zDNA== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.14.0.111121 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:24:51 -0000 Hello Ray, Murray and all, What do you think of this proposal: Milestones Nov 2012 Draft specifying the common infrastructure document to the IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. =20 Feb 2013 Draft specifying the RESTful URL query format for RIRs to the IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. Mar 2013 Draft specifying the format for responses to RIR queries to the IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. Jul 2013 Draft specifying the RESTful URL query format for domain name registration data to the IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. Aug 2013 Draft(s) specifying the format(s) for responses to domain name registration data queries to the IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. Changes:=20 1. Added a milestone on a draft specifying the common infrastructure document.=20 Rationale: This will be one document that addresses common needs (things like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response codes, signaling, and the like) for both names and numbers. 2. Changed domain draft on data format to plural, giving the option of specifying additional output formats. 3. Adjusted timelines accordingly. Steve =20 -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bellis Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:55:43 -0700 To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) > >On 13 Apr 2012, at 16:05, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > >> Right. We could go the other way and list both, and then possibly >>decide not to do one or the other. But either way, both cases are >>covered. >>=20 >> If Pete prefers it, we could be explicit, but I don't think it's >>necessary. > >That's fair enough if the milestone says "a specification", or some >similar generic word for a document. > >But the text specifically says: > >"Aug 2013 Draft specifying the format for responses to domain name > registration data queries to the IESG for approval as a > Proposed Standard." > >The plain English reading of that is -one- draft. > >Ray > >_______________________________________________ >weirds mailing list >weirds@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds From Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Tue Apr 17 00:58:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DC221F85A5 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:58:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LLMi7-v9X9z9 for ; 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z=From:=20Ray=20Bellis=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[weirds]=20Requirements=20document=20an d=20milestones=20(Was:=20Post-BoF=0D=0A=20charter)|Date: =20Tue,=2017=20Apr=202012=2007:58:10=20+0000|Message-ID: =20 |To:=20Steve=20Sheng=20|CC:=20"Mur ray=20S.=20Kucherawy"=20,=20"weirds@ie tf.org"=0D=0A=09|MIME-Version:=201.0 |Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable |In-Reply-To:=20 |References:=20; bh=G1Ay9U4aJRzXnfpxotenlAdH4BXMJWZ9jRZSjt494y0=; b=VOY1mwH3mVWJQVjhteoj3QoKYqbru1eaQMaB9iC0xDcC7D0o2gU50srP 195T3WSe6Guk8Hoy85dI018hynjeGK9aXIMsBI6ISfkHrtjsLNdFqomy6 XXjztqrWLqWqzXd; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,434,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="39822103" Received: from wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.144]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 17 Apr 2012 08:58:11 +0100 Received: from WDS-EXC2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4]) by wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f%19]) with mapi; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:58:10 +0100 From: Ray Bellis To: Steve Sheng Thread-Topic: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) Thread-Index: AQHNFkX9/9DV5i5qjkGNoCY4I+bzlJaTrLyAgAKm/oCAAS3NAIAA+jUAgAAtTICAACd8gIAAHrOAgAUjsoCAAKA0IQ== Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:58:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF charter) X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:58:18 -0000 Works for me :) Thx Ray Sent from my iPhone On 17 Apr 2012, at 00:24, "Steve Sheng" wrote: > Hello Ray, Murray and all, >=20 > What do you think of this proposal: >=20 > Milestones >=20 > Nov 2012 Draft specifying the common infrastructure document to the > IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. >=20 >=20 > Feb 2013 Draft specifying the RESTful URL query format for RIRs to t= he > IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. >=20 > Mar 2013 Draft specifying the format for responses to RIR queries > to the IESG for approval as a Proposed Standard. >=20 > Jul 2013 Draft specifying the RESTful URL query format for domain n= ame > registration data to the IESG for approval as a Proposed > Standard. >=20 > Aug 2013 Draft(s) specifying the format(s) for responses to domain = name > registration data queries to the IESG for approval as a > Proposed Standard. >=20 >=20 > Changes:=20 >=20 > 1. Added a milestone on a draft specifying the common infrastructure > document.=20 >=20 > Rationale: This will be one document that addresses common needs (things > like basic HTTP/TLS transport, HTTP response codes, signaling, and the > like) for both names and numbers. >=20 >=20 > 2. Changed domain draft on data format to plural, giving the option of > specifying additional output formats. >=20 > 3. Adjusted timelines accordingly. >=20 > Steve >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Bellis > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:55:43 -0700 > To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" > Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [weirds] Requirements document and milestones (Was: Post-BoF > charter) >=20 >>=20 >> On 13 Apr 2012, at 16:05, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >>=20 >>> Right. We could go the other way and list both, and then possibly >>> decide not to do one or the other. But either way, both cases are >>> covered. >>>=20 >>> If Pete prefers it, we could be explicit, but I don't think it's >>> necessary. >>=20 >> That's fair enough if the milestone says "a specification", or some >> similar generic word for a document. >>=20 >> But the text specifically says: >>=20 >> "Aug 2013 Draft specifying the format for responses to domain name >> registration data queries to the IESG for approval as a >> Proposed Standard." >>=20 >> The plain English reading of that is -one- draft. >>=20 >> Ray >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> weirds mailing list >> weirds@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds >=20 From msk@cloudmark.com Thu Apr 26 23:21:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D0221F86A4 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:21:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0S1wIETpuSVX for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C2D21F86A5 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com ([72.5.239.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id 2uMm1j0010ZaKgw01uMm13; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:21:46 -0700 X-CMAE-Match: 0 X-CMAE-Score: 0.00 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=VPNfbqzX c=1 sm=1 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:17 a=avgx2eInZzkA:10 a=l4l49ZHYtFsA:10 a=zutiEJmiVI4A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=hsJKctruim6ZQXuLXkYA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=DGXTDmD5ryXsJmWMeBQA:9 a=KCvoi2jlXFnN6CHFqn8A:7 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:117 Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:21:46 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Minutes or notes from Paris meeting? Thread-Index: Ac0kPgTQX4W5AOJlTjOc96whSNaBAw== Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:21:45 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.22.1.158] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777exchmbx901corpclo_" MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1335507706; bh=ZTxtcu8vWX965x2GujjUvOjk1zFaA4IDfv77pyh3iow=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=XHRs2vSYQCzTahqJoRwRWwCTeQ1eLY5gzvEhf94jIOg9mMIAnw42BM7kw+KyLmOog 12pnWTILiMfvH4qEuun8cPyujUslIvIJet4U03ZMeR7IILbZKSLmvX+rDs+Jm3SpXB 8XXSmetT7w/MMv6LjncdE6aCtLNHHFmFIDZSY5vE= Subject: [weirds] Minutes or notes from Paris meeting? X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 06:21:48 -0000 --_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777exchmbx901corpclo_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, help! I'm having trouble locating the minutes for the weirds BoF in Paris on the = publications/proceedings site. I'm also having trouble remembering who too= k notes or minutes from the meeting, and they're due to the Secretariat in = short order. The jabber log doesn't appear to be available, and as Meetech= o was not contracted for our meeting, there doesn't appear to be an audio r= ecord online either. Could such person or persons that took minutes or notes please get in touch= and forward what you have? 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Hi all, help!

 

I’m having trouble locating the minutes for th= e weirds BoF in Paris on the publications/proceedings site.  I’m= also having trouble remembering who took notes or minutes from the meeting= , and they’re due to the Secretariat in short order.  The jabber log doesn’t appear to be available, and as Meetecho was n= ot contracted for our meeting, there doesn’t appear to be an audio re= cord online either.

 

Could such person or persons that took minutes or no= tes please get in touch and forward what you have?

 

Thanks,

-MSK

--_000_9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777exchmbx901corpclo_-- From Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk Fri Apr 27 01:42:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4FC21F86F2 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:42:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EvnKFXoLUAb1 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx3.nominet.org.uk (mx3.nominet.org.uk [213.248.199.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D35521F86F1 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:42:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:Received:From:To:CC:Subject: Thread-Topic:Thread-Index:Date:Message-ID:References: In-Reply-To:Accept-Language:Content-Language: X-MS-Has-Attach:X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:Content-Type: MIME-Version; b=WAVU6a/WpqM9LKXOWPh4Wg8yBHqwREQ3N6+Tlft4aHKVMwTJh+cKPnBp jDJuxTiwVd9TuWnfnQ626fVDc1vqHv5d4AEXICd9CKXz6IgV7vsyNiMen ckQsxe6BSwrQ8g4; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1335516129; x=1367052129; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Ray=20Bellis=20 |Subject:=20Re:=20[weirds]=20Minutes=20or=20notes=20from =20Paris=20meeting?|Date:=20Fri,=2027=20Apr=202012=2008:4 2:04=20+0000|Message-ID:=20<44B1B5E8-1299-40E1-9C46-25211 695913E@nominet.org.uk>|To:=20"Murray=20S.=20Kucherawy" =20|CC:=20"weirds@ietf.org"=20|MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<9452079D1A5 1524AA5749AD23E003928104777@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.co m>|References:=20<9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777@ exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com>; bh=Hw+xTZyspwpaf9jP59pwNO7OXo3DntDodKy7oO8GLhk=; b=a8zfCYaAIWOYIzaPh9j5r3dbB6HPg77At4mIVWjKhfFxpkLUamyPkfvC v7E6EN25BBLNuCuv3e+emSJB4DU9KnJt+MzozIwqBYyjYKS4ZrI5iYRxy vFjGXiWgoxrEENV; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,490,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="40024000" Received: from wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([213.248.197.144]) by mx3.nominet.org.uk with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2012 09:42:06 +0100 Received: from WDS-EXC2.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::7577:eaca:5241:25d4]) by wds-exc1.okna.nominet.org.uk ([fe80::1593:1394:a91f:8f5f%19]) with mapi; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:42:05 +0100 From: Ray Bellis To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Minutes or notes from Paris meeting? Thread-Index: AQHNJFGflzAThnvKukaCld+dqFnTZw== Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:42:04 +0000 Message-ID: <44B1B5E8-1299-40E1-9C46-25211695913E@nominet.org.uk> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_44B1B5E8129940E19C4625211695913Enominetorguk_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Minutes or notes from Paris meeting? X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 08:42:10 -0000 --_000_44B1B5E8129940E19C4625211695913Enominetorguk_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27 Apr 2012, at 07:21, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: Hi all, help! I=92m having trouble locating the minutes for the weirds BoF in Paris on th= e publications/proceedings site. I=92m also having trouble remembering who= took notes or minutes from the meeting, and they=92re due to the Secretari= at in short order. The jabber log doesn=92t appear to be available, and as= Meetecho was not contracted for our meeting, there doesn=92t appear to be = an audio record online either. The jabber log is in For some reason some of the links from the tools site into the jabber archi= ves give 404 errors, including the one for my own WG. Ray --_000_44B1B5E8129940E19C4625211695913Enominetorguk_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <45f3aca0-32d6-43a9-ab73-2bf66bd052f3> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 27 Apr 2012, at 07:21, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

Hi all, help!
 
I= =92m having trouble locating the minutes for the weirds BoF in Paris on the= publications/proceedings site.  I=92m also having trouble remembering= who took notes or minutes from the meeting, and they=92re due to the Secre= tariat in short order.  The jabber log doesn=92t appear to be availabl= e, and as Meetecho was not contracted for our meeting, there doesn=92t appe= ar to be an audio record online either.
 
=


<= div>For some reason some of the links from the tools site into the jabber a= rchives give 404 errors, including the one for my own WG.

Ray

= --_000_44B1B5E8129940E19C4625211695913Enominetorguk_-- From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Fri Apr 27 04:11:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4BF21F87F8 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.642 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.642 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wTNOd12inFG5 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5390121F878E for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 04:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0ACA1ECB41C for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:12:08 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120427111202.GC67831@mail.yitter.info> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [weirds] Minutes or notes from Paris meeting? X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:11:55 -0000 On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 06:21:45AM +0000, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Hi all, help! This one is my fault. Kim Davies sent me very complete notes, and I haven't uploaded minutes. I will today. Best, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Fri Apr 27 11:23:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7AA21F8693 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.64 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.64 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eaSqCkFGJQan for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (mail.yitter.info [208.86.224.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA88B21F8688 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 176541ECB420 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 14:23:31 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120427182018.GI67831@mail.yitter.info> References: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928104777@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <20120427111202.GC67831@mail.yitter.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120427111202.GC67831@mail.yitter.info> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [weirds] Minutes or notes from Paris meeting? X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:23:34 -0000 I have now uploaded these minutes. Many thanks to Kim Davies, who took such excellent notes. Please check the minutes at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-weirds.txt for errors. Thanks, Andrew On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 07:12:08AM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 06:21:45AM +0000, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > > Hi all, help! > > This one is my fault. Kim Davies sent me very complete notes, and I > haven't uploaded minutes. I will today. > > Best, > > A > -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From shollenbeck@verisign.com Mon Apr 30 06:57:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5648021F8592 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:57:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HMZfJ4-xPXmI for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og113.obsmtp.com (exprod6og113.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7478B21F8582 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob113.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT56aPsPi/2SwvkeupjNOotwjY78OFhDE@postini.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 06:57:19 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.205]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q3UDvFWi010504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:57:18 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:56:25 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNJti1+r9l2gOOVEqsRSiU5qMeuZazZDKQ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:56:56 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:57:20 -0000 FYI, all. This is the first cut at a draft to describe a query protocol for= name registries. Another document (or documents) to describe response form= ats is in the works. Scott -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:55 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : Domain Name Registration Data Access Protocol Query Form= at Author(s) : Scott Hollenbeck Steve Sheng Francisco Arias Filename : draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2012-04-30 This document describes a RESTful query format proposal for the Domain Name Registration Data Access Protocol. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From shollenbeck@verisign.com Mon Apr 30 08:09:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7094D21F8656 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SnvxOWkl0wM0 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og117.obsmtp.com (exprod6og117.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0AA21F863E for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob117.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT56rLSrp6PCgEp13cS5YJ+jIkxyaw4ed@postini.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:09:34 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id q3UF9UUP013008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:09:32 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:08:46 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNJti1+r9l2gOOVEqsRSiU5qMeuZazZDKQgAAUWnA= Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:10 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:09:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:57 AM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt >=20 > FYI, all. This is the first cut at a draft to describe a query protocol > for name registries. Another document (or documents) to describe > response formats is in the works. I've received a private note from someone suggesting that queries for regis= trar objects by ID and hosts by IP address should be included in this draft= . Does that sound reasonable? 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[192.149.252.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ci18sm11651010qab.9.2012.04.30.08.50.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Andy Newton In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:50:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <265BE093-6BD1-4A5B-AEBB-C36178A0A8CF@hxr.us> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkVxnP60gtaNlFJwg8uzgyN9MMmkyEXfl1immGgxh0pqdYsP4BnvNyOAzZnU7RE/TGWn2YU Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:51:02 -0000 On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > I've received a private note from someone suggesting that queries for = registrar objects by ID and hosts by IP address should be included in = this draft. Does that sound reasonable? Is it something the general public would be interested in? Or is it = something a domain industry person wants? If its the former, it is = probably a good idea. If it is the latter, then why aren't they using = EPP or whatever? In general, the broad internet using community doesn't tend to remember = their own identifiers in registries. They only know the natural = identifiers, such as domain names or IP addresses. So a look up of = registrar's by ID is, in my opinion, a feature to make adopting the = protocol harder while not doing much benefit for the broader internet = public. But host lookups by IP addresses does seem like something an = internet user may want to trouble shoot problems. -andy= From fobispo@isc.org Mon Apr 30 08:57:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE93321F86A3 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X21kxmYVKo6z for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ams1.isc.org (mx.ams1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:500:60::65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EAEB21F8698 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.isc.org", Issuer "RapidSSL CA" (not verified)) by mx.ams1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B090E5F9BE9; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fobispo@isc.org) Received: from fobispo-mbp.lan (c-67-188-135-2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.188.135.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D3A8216C33; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:57:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fobispo@isc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Francisco Obispo In-Reply-To: <265BE093-6BD1-4A5B-AEBB-C36178A0A8CF@hxr.us> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:56:05 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <021F0FB3-7F70-4FD1-AC74-C561E96970AD@isc.org> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <265BE093-6BD1-4A5B-AEBB-C36178A0A8CF@hxr.us> To: Andy Newton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:57:58 -0000 On Apr 30, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Andy Newton wrote: > In general, the broad internet using community doesn't tend to = remember their own identifiers in registries. They only know the natural = identifiers, such as domain names or IP addresses. So a look up of = registrar's by ID is, in my opinion, a feature to make adopting the = protocol harder while not doing much benefit for the broader internet = public. But host lookups by IP addresses does seem like something an = internet user may want to trouble shoot problems. I agree with this comment, however, what if the same IP is being used by = multiple host names?, In my opinion, we should only allow for FQDN and = registrar's name. If we need to provide a ip-to-name or a id search of some sort, we = should do so in the 'searchable interface' instead. Francisco Obispo=20 email: fobispo@isc.org Phone: +1 650 423 1374 || INOC-DBA *3557* NOC PGP KeyID =3D B38DB1BE From dave.piscitello@icann.org Mon Apr 30 09:01:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650C321F85D1 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:01:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 589MjRSnb3Cb for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXPFE100-1.exc.icann.org (expfe100-1.exc.icann.org [64.78.22.236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B296F21F8594 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.232]) by EXPFE100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.236]) with mapi; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:01:45 -0700 From: Dave Piscitello To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:01:39 -0700 Thread-Topic: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac0m6oqC4O6kVAEmR/qNbquGtKh+4Q== Message-ID: <82189D85-608F-4FC0-8DF4-51D343CF51C6@icann.org> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-pgp-agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:01:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 These would be interesting in a number of malicious registration/forensics = scenarios. For example, think about DGAs that generate names across multipl= e registries (like Conficker). Now think about trying to pattern match to s= ee if there is a common registrar being used or exploited.=20 Since many information flows identify IP addresses initially and either res= olve to names later or not at all, I suspect that this, too, would be valua= ble for any investigator. These would also be extremely valuable if consensus policy were to consider= and add reseller objects to the data model. This is my personal opinion an= d speculative as well. My company and members of the broader community may = think differently. On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Hollenbeck, Scott >> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:57 AM >> To: weirds@ietf.org >> Subject: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt >>=20 >> FYI, all. This is the first cut at a draft to describe a query protocol >> for name registries. Another document (or documents) to describe >> response formats is in the works. >=20 > I've received a private note from someone suggesting that queries for reg= istrar objects by ID and hosts by IP address should be included in this dra= ft. Does that sound reasonable? >=20 > Scott > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPnrdoAAoJEGwWiPOSXEFNexYH/2b7UdT43DojdsWGfzyqiW/A +I9RIEYrcj7cD2R1bFahVtzk9HkbEWLI2LVjPMSHNqH4WrWknP3c/6HpxYtPJL+F 7g3Pecgc8ZeNI6f852FQ6xc5q80lfuBb6+cJf0TQASj/cpLlAelYH6aiGiRLcTW+ yVGbbIQAUBDvqk1T+PNmgZNKk4rP9V1+sSUWVlvlWH14UL89qforx5fuCXKmg+1Z 8qbAqBOwHXs90ZDfihEqGYg7BpNBhyhUUa5aUGVlZVklYpBgZlKPgVoKYXHUp7Hk mliKx4dORwktr/6H0S5EgpNBv6v0vdrrz/8HWIpaVprWJB1HSFZGytyJiNVcbm8=3D =3DgKA9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net Mon Apr 30 14:21:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838D311E8087 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZdEpUGvSB7Pd for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nic-naa.net (nic-naa.net [65.99.1.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C814611E8072 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from limpet.local (cpe-67-255-2-48.twcny.res.rr.com [67.255.2.48]) by nic-naa.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3UIOZtb030409 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:24:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net) Message-ID: <4F9F0266.1050202@abenaki.wabanaki.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:21:42 -0400 From: Eric Brunner-Williams Organization: wampumpeag User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <82189D85-608F-4FC0-8DF4-51D343CF51C6@icann.org> In-Reply-To: <82189D85-608F-4FC0-8DF4-51D343CF51C6@icann.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:21:55 -0000 On 4/30/12 12:01 PM, Dave Piscitello wrote: > These would be interesting in a number of malicious registration/forensics scenarios. For example, think about DGAs that generate names across multiple registries (like Conficker). Now think about trying to pattern match to see if there is a common registrar being used or exploited. i made, or thought i made, the point during the .C response that the .C author's attempt to generate an inventory of rendezvous points had more utility demonstrating the aggregate complexity and cost the author was willing to incur, imposed by both registry and registrar, and if memory serves, ignoring the conjectured, but undiscovered complexity/cost boundary the .C author was unwilling to cross, my analysis of the registrar-to-rendezvous-points showed no significant correlation to com/net/org/biz/info registrars other than market share. the similarity of string sets has been a known feature of ip exploiting registrations for almost all of the current iana contract period, though iterative uni-quiry into arbitrary points into the adjacent string space seems to be the state of the query art. > Since many information flows identify IP addresses initially and either resolve to names later or not at all, I suspect that this, too, would be valuable for any investigator. > > These would also be extremely valuable if consensus policy were to consider and add reseller objects to the data model. This is my personal opinion and speculative as well. My company and members of the broader community may think differently. your company? that would be the rhs of "dave.piscitello@icann.org"? -e From dave.piscitello@icann.org Mon Apr 30 15:44:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681CF21E80E4 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EJT40FVHsaDc for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXPFE100-1.exc.icann.org (expfe100-1.exc.icann.org [64.78.22.236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA1F21E80E3 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.232]) by EXPFE100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.236]) with mapi; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:44:04 -0700 From: Dave Piscitello To: "ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:44:03 -0700 Thread-Topic: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac0nIr6EaF/2z6jjROmoyi8XPFPrUw== Message-ID: <844B6516-A657-41C5-AA72-64C713BB8D67@icann.org> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <82189D85-608F-4FC0-8DF4-51D343CF51C6@icann.org> <4F9F0266.1050202@abenaki.wabanaki.net> In-Reply-To: <4F9F0266.1050202@abenaki.wabanaki.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_844B6516A65741C5AA7264C713BB8D67icannorg_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:44:05 -0000 --_000_844B6516A65741C5AA7264C713BB8D67icannorg_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Apr 30, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote: On 4/30/12 12:01 PM, Dave Piscitello wrote: These would be interesting in a number of malicious registration/forensics = scenarios. For example, think about DGAs that generate names across multipl= e registries (like Conficker). Now think about trying to pattern match to s= ee if there is a common registrar being used or exploited. i made, or thought i made, the point Yes, you did. I'm expanding that to considering the volumes of registration= data that people o/t registries and registrars store. Individual investiga= tors, researchers in academia or organizations that have tens of thousands = of whois records associated with malicious registrations, phished domains, = malware hosting domains, etc. At the moment, much of this information is no= t easily normalized. Also, certain companies provide historical whois as a = service. All of these would benefit from structured, searchable data, and t= here's keen interest in registrar and reseller info. The 2H2012 APWG Global= Phishing Survey, for example, made use of Domain Tools historical Whois to= identify "phished registrars" (Presented last week during APWG Prague, I w= rote about it today). Since many information flows identify IP addresses initially and either res= olve to names later or not at all, I suspect that this, too, would be valua= ble for any investigator. These would also be extremely valuable if consensus policy were to consider= and add reseller objects to the data model. This is my personal opinion an= d speculative as well. My company and members of the broader community may = think differently. your company? that would be the rhs of "dave.piscitello@icann.org"? Apologies, that is ambiguous. In this case, I'm speaking of ICANN. I suspect no one at Core Competence disputes my opinion but I did send this= from the ICANN address not dave@corecom.com :-) --_000_844B6516A65741C5AA7264C713BB8D67icannorg_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Apr 30, 2= 012, at 5:21 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:

On 4/30/12 12:01 PM, Dave Pi= scitello wrote:
These would be interesting in = a number of malicious registration/forensics scenarios. For example, think = about DGAs that generate names across multiple registries (like Conficker).= Now think about trying to pattern match to see if there is a common regist= rar being used or exploited.

i made, or thought i made= , the point 

Yes, you did. I'm ex= panding that to considering the volumes of registration data that people o/= t registries and registrars store. Individual investigators, researchers in= academia = ;or organizations that have tens of thousands of whois records = associated with malicious registrations, phished domains, malware hosting d= omains, etc. At the moment, much of this information is not easily normaliz= ed. Also, certain companies provide historical whois as a service. All of t= hese would benefit from structured, searchable data, and there's keen inter= est in registrar and reseller info. The 2H2012 APWG Global Phishing Survey,= for example, made use of Domain Tools historical Whois to identify "p= hished registrars" (Presented last week during APWG Prague, I wrote about i= t today).


Since many information flows identify IP addresses ini= tially and either resolve to names later or not at all, I suspect that this= , too, would be valuable for any investigator.

These would also b= e extremely valuable if consensus policy were to consider and add reseller = objects to the data model. This is my personal opinion and speculative as w= ell. My company and members of the broader community may think differently.=

your company? that would be the rhs of "dave.piscitello@icann.org"?

Apologies, that is ambiguous. In this case, I'm sp= eaking of ICANN. 
I suspect no one at Core Competence disput= es my opinion but I did send this from the ICANN address not dave@corecom.com :-)

= --_000_844B6516A65741C5AA7264C713BB8D67icannorg_-- From bje@apnic.net Mon Apr 30 16:35:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541F121E8112 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:35:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iAS3v1RvUvc8 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp.apnic.net (asmtp.apnic.net [IPv6:2001:dc0:2001:11::199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7096D21E8041 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:dc0:a000:4:4541:2e57:33d0:750e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:dc0:a000:4:4541:2e57:33d0:750e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by asmtp.apnic.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1920CB6866; Tue, 1 May 2012 09:35:23 +1000 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9CC8561A-3DB9-4E62-A7CC-2E00BA8A1DAE"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Byron Ellacott In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:35:22 +1000 Message-Id: <3BF23CEE-7493-49CF-84FB-01167813F267@apnic.net> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:35:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9CC8561A-3DB9-4E62-A7CC-2E00BA8A1DAE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 01/05/2012, at 1:09 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > I've received a private note from someone suggesting that queries for = registrar objects by ID and hosts by IP address should be included in = this draft. Does that sound reasonable? I find the notion of asking a domain registrar for information about an = IP address to be confusing. Is the user expecting to know who they = should contact about that IP address, are they expecting to find all the = possible mappings of labels to that IP address , or are they expecting = to have the domain query service perform a reverse lookup for them? = Whichever case it may be, I find it unlikely that a domain query service = can give a satisfactory answer. 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Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.405 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.405 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.794, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id szwJfLBzA1xw for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44A421E80BA for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 70577 invoked from network); 1 May 2012 02:43:22 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 1 May 2012 02:43:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f9f4dc9.xn--btvx9d.k1204; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=9CUkABYUdpEDZRnS+wcS+UWiANW8zczmRX/zembnlh0=; b=cGTDIDCKOhGHVSxnDmMwP1LUUntQCkWtaF/gyAZSsShNjlysrEgnFtbdQLhiiUMUyJ2H47aTdyQpfXuM/ERQClsaDHs9CaKL+ljkHqjhYffjo0tuPyUKuaZDUcPagi5fq7QCSx2Nhx1kWYFAH2Je/djaWD5ZUp7n1lt7l1+qBFY= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 1 May 2012 02:42:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20120501024259.96928.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <265BE093-6BD1-4A5B-AEBB-C36178A0A8CF@hxr.us> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 02:43:25 -0000 >> I've received a private note from someone suggesting that queries for >registrar objects by ID and hosts by IP address should be included in >this draft. Does that sound reasonable? > >Is it something the general public would be interested in? Or is it >something a domain industry person wants? If its the former, it is >probably a good idea. If it is the latter, then why aren't they using >EPP or whatever? Hosts by IP address is definitely useful to the hoi polloi. Objects by ID might be useful if there are responses to queries that include IDs, and that's what you have to do to find out what the ID means. R's, John From johnl@iecc.com Mon Apr 30 19:46:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8697521E80BA for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.605 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.605 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.594, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Z7kSub8Z5vh for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B53A21E8144 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 71284 invoked from network); 1 May 2012 02:46:54 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 1 May 2012 02:46:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f9f4e9d.xn--yuvv84g.k1204; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=tBxfZN9NXuoOUbzei8P4CpCVhzqvBfUUQp8dIPdjgG0=; b=STgZTZKgFPDR8ANpJzQn9SN2U/r4vretGIZm4jxelu+ybPf5X4pXdKMCF0i7qBDzH7cLRe+YHTjzm/j2Ulc8rFFCFg5UZ8fjAIfbp1V4wGGDlCfbd/QIzXoMQ/OINApKBjcKmOYVsezuleWfcR7TiscWEimInVRKwAsXmz2ZjZk= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 1 May 2012 02:46:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20120501024631.97808.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3BF23CEE-7493-49CF-84FB-01167813F267@apnic.net> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 02:46:55 -0000 >I find the notion of asking a domain registrar for information about an >IP address to be confusing. Is the user expecting to know who they >should contact about that IP address, are they expecting to find all the >possible mappings of labels to that IP address , or are they expecting >to have the domain query service perform a reverse lookup for them? For a name registry or registrar, I'd be thrilled to get a list of name servers they know about that resolve to that IP. A common bad guy trick is to register a bunch of names, stick them all on the same servers, but use a different subdomain name for each one, e.g. foo.biz has name server ns1.foo.biz and bar.biz has ns1.bar.biz , but they're really the same IP. R's, John From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 30 21:13:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB921F8694 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:13:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.627 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.627 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KB+eG8TlW7lo for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBAB21F8693 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com ([72.5.239.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id 4UE71j0010ZaKgw01UE7gc; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:14:07 -0700 X-CMAE-Match: 0 X-CMAE-Score: 0.00 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=WuKpwKjv c=1 sm=1 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:17 a=ldJM1g7oyCcA:10 a=Z73QZrJw8dEA:10 a=zutiEJmiVI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=_b7J1-21ePCuroBnZ_gA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=Q01ayiKsrhcBLpoE:21 a=LeS0bspWBOkY-4dU:21 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:117 Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:13:43 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNJti1X6PeA+oH50GMkDXgVQjCepazZDKQgACJ2QCAAAuegIAAWQgA Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 04:13:42 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E00392810782A@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F47A3@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D5F4898@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <265BE093-6BD1-4A5B-AEBB-C36178A0A8CF@hxr.us> In-Reply-To: <265BE093-6BD1-4A5B-AEBB-C36178A0A8CF@hxr.us> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1335845647; bh=BUl/EFS41TbVIHDQf5Eq6BJl08dUxchWDBJD40EBCG8=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=ACMMhcPT+oMzxPbcPyo7ktd8gu5KNy9ATgI5HLNA0Zholl7TnexXwNL9fqP4Jbl72 Rol4nURgMsjofFwkY0lOIwPOnfTaBp7YIVw6nE9iG5LAV162SMDDv2iGHSC9az+EDF e0kNo7RDMjUDH9kJhD3X+jG9dOa67SKSurgZu+eI= Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 04:13:54 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Andy Newton > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 8:51 AM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott > Cc: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt >=20 > On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > > I've received a private note from someone suggesting that queries for > > registrar objects by ID and hosts by IP address should be included in > > this draft. Does that sound reasonable? >=20 > Is it something the general public would be interested in? Or is it > something a domain industry person wants? If its the former, it is > probably a good idea. If it is the latter, then why aren't they using > EPP or whatever? I would like to be able to, given a domain name, get back a unique identifi= er for the registrant (owner, for example), with some expectation that it's= stable. Then if some other domain name comes back showing the same regist= rant ID, I know the two are related. Bonus if I can say "give me all records for which the owner's registrant ID= is X", but I'm guessing that's a long shot. > In general, the broad internet using community doesn't tend to remember > their own identifiers in registries. They only know the natural > identifiers, such as domain names or IP addresses. So a look up of > registrar's by ID is, in my opinion, a feature to make adopting the > protocol harder while not doing much benefit for the broader internet > public. But host lookups by IP addresses does seem like something an > internet user may want to trouble shoot problems. I think you're right for human consumers of the data, but automated systems= might have an actual use for it. -MSK From msk@cloudmark.com Mon Apr 30 21:15:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3338B21F863E for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:15:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.627 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.627 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gU+eY8EwEi+I for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C93721F8636 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com ([72.5.239.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id 4UEj1j0030ZaKgw01UEjfk; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:14:43 -0700 X-CMAE-Match: 0 X-CMAE-Score: 0.00 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=T7IOvo2Q c=1 sm=1 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:17 a=ldJM1g7oyCcA:10 a=Z73QZrJw8dEA:10 a=zutiEJmiVI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=F6ZuFLQ0yrZoD5yMNUAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:117 Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:14:44 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHNJti1X6PeA+oH50GMkDXgVQjCepazZDKQgACJ2QCAAI1uAIAANWiA//+jIsA= Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 04:14:43 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E003928107840@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <3BF23CEE-7493-49CF-84FB-01167813F267@apnic.net> <20120501024631.97808.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120501024631.97808.qmail@joyce.lan> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [67.160.203.60] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1335845684; bh=pvEweG0W1HBBU8rSx7J4G10YQCPEW9h6jhbnpDZnAvU=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=fZospU9ncMTjWsGLGNNmXexjPQOegyrhP6zaVQEbrwntKz3v7yy8mTSC6thGBKwjk YnpZAH1NprJD4MLiGmwKWilNLOaQ/yK2GHQrg9f6+sPTG2mZfCKwqCPBvs8dVrFkqn l+557W/9aIly70CReuloA900cIA4e52/LVkw5+oA= Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 04:15:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of John Levine > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:47 PM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt >=20 > For a name registry or registrar, I'd be thrilled to get a list of name > servers they know about that resolve to that IP. A common bad guy > trick is to register a bunch of names, stick them all on the same > servers, but use a different subdomain name for each one, e.g. foo.biz > has name server ns1.foo.biz and bar.biz has ns1.bar.biz , but they're > really the same IP. Ditto here. -MSK From james.mitchell@ausregistry.com.au Mon Apr 30 22:06:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CE521F879F for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:06:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_AU=0.377, HOST_EQ_AU=0.327] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k5e22EwRMOcp for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx01.ausregistry.net.au (mx01.ausregistry.net.au [202.65.15.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4901E21F879E for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from off-win2003-01.stkildard.vic.ausregistry.com.au (HELO off-win2003-01.ausregistrygroup.local) ([10.30.1.3]) by iron01.off08.stkildard.vic.ausregistry.com.au with ESMTP; 01 May 2012 15:06:32 +1000 Received: from off-win2003-01.ausregistrygroup.local ([10.30.1.3]) by off-win2003-01.ausregistrygroup.local ([10.30.1.3]) with mapi; Tue, 1 May 2012 15:06:11 +1000 From: James Mitchell To: John Levine , "weirds@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:06:29 +1000 Thread-Topic: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt Thread-Index: Ac0nWB9sOQqjvKU4Tu+Hfl4mQNZl9w== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20120501024631.97808.qmail@joyce.lan> Accept-Language: en-US, en-AU Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.120402 acceptlanguage: en-US, en-AU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-dnrd-ap-query-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 05:06:41 -0000 Registries will limit the number of hosts returned from an IP address query. This limit might be lifted should the registry offer different classes of service for consumers such as law enforcement agencies etc. Knowing the limit has been reached would be useful. One should note that Base Agreement & Specifications (Specification 4) of the new gTLD Applicant Guidebook requires Registries to provide name server responses for IP address input. James On 1/05/12 12:46 PM, "John Levine" wrote: >>I find the notion of asking a domain registrar for information about an >>IP address to be confusing. Is the user expecting to know who they >>should contact about that IP address, are they expecting to find all the >>possible mappings of labels to that IP address , or are they expecting >>to have the domain query service perform a reverse lookup for them? > >For a name registry or registrar, I'd be thrilled to get a list of >name servers they know about that resolve to that IP. A common bad >guy trick is to register a bunch of names, stick them all on the same >servers, but use a different subdomain name for each one, e.g. foo.biz >has name server ns1.foo.biz and bar.biz has ns1.bar.biz , but they're >really the same IP. > >R's, >John >_______________________________________________ >weirds mailing list >weirds@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds