From andy@arin.net Tue Jan 1 13:57:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1246321F8E82 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:57:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i+jKkDDw0Os1 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA3F21F8E7B for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 13:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 52A5E164F87; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (chaxch05.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.94]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB98164F7E; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.18) by CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:57:07 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.55]) by CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:57:15 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Alex Sergeyev Thread-Topic: [weirds] Comments on draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 Thread-Index: AQHN3UzKJ6O9dpucTkCmu3GOLCz35Zge8OwAgAAxBYCAAZ2sAIAClh0AgBAk3gCAAaC4AA== Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 21:57:15 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E5789909F8@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [192.149.252.97] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Comments on draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:57:38 -0000 On 12/31/12 11:05 AM, "Alex Sergeyev" wrote: >Do you think the "The IP Network Object Class" (section 10) should >include "status" field to be similar to other objects? Given that none of the RIRs have a publishable status for IP networks, I don't think it should be added. Should such a thing be necessary later on, either RIR specific fields can be added or a revision to the spec. -andy From alexandrsergeyev@gmail.com Wed Jan 2 08:01:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A63521F84BC for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:01:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id katbXIuIOVnk for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECE721F84B2 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f181.google.com with SMTP id oi10so12968175obb.12 for ; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:01:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ACM8LI5mq6My5U8O8A4N/8BEcjoyyUd7nACJaKbj0Ic=; b=0ITcjdWAmjN0p+IQvi52O0ggjNSH9deHyzJcMXt4HQk2a8zfh6nA26s+Z/OT+/cHpY HE2a8HMc3i5em8pXxUE3Z9n39Py7YwqEoG/LpBO0ELN3Nsf8b9vS1o0JrcdaRQEXPDNM 7H9NiS8skmtY3jqLdeK2cUfqiS7wDoPnNLp3VkfNZqLKOZLdh2zYEoQ0tBv0Zybu9HV5 U1oh0FwO5uqGRdqOspaWweAfQga0XpgMMEX8+pHZPwNBCXsGYX3ebnqXF9RT5etGTk5X M4PeXFttV5V/182N40Al7ICocTsbVCMqyuSJHNOIIOYGLuE+YBDRkAe290wiB0JUAdkH dZ8g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.6.226 with SMTP id e2mr26936270oea.56.1357142462003; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:01:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: alexandrsergeyev@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.84.33 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:01:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E5789909F8@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E5789909F8@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 11:01:01 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7wTwZamraJbRYuQRWcuqqj3ih_c Message-ID: From: Alex Sergeyev To: Andy Newton , weirds@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [weirds] Comments on draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:01:03 -0000 I see at whois.iana.org right now: status: ALLOCATED vs status: RESERVED and thinking it's already applicable :) On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Andy Newton wrote: > On 12/31/12 11:05 AM, "Alex Sergeyev" wrote: > >>Do you think the "The IP Network Object Class" (section 10) should >>include "status" field to be similar to other objects? > > Given that none of the RIRs have a publishable status for IP networks, I > don't think it should be added. > > Should such a thing be necessary later on, either RIR specific fields can > be added or a revision to the spec. > > -andy > From andy@arin.net Wed Jan 2 10:49:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB0B21F8558 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:49:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C3F+TA2nZvbL for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3186021F854F for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id AA0D0213635; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (chaxch05.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.94]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB65213627; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.18) by CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:48:56 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.55]) by CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:49:08 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Alex Sergeyev , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Comments on draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 Thread-Index: AQHN3UzKJ6O9dpucTkCmu3GOLCz35Zge8OwAgAAxBYCAAZ2sAIAClh0AgBAk3gCAAaC4AIABgqCA///aDIA= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 18:49:08 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E578993334@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] Comments on draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 18:49:11 -0000 What is IANA? Just kidding. :) Ok, I'll add it. -andy On 1/2/13 11:01 AM, "Alex Sergeyev" wrote: >I see at whois.iana.org right now: > >status: ALLOCATED >vs >status: RESERVED > > >and thinking it's already applicable :) > >On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Andy Newton wrote: >> On 12/31/12 11:05 AM, "Alex Sergeyev" wrote: >> >>>Do you think the "The IP Network Object Class" (section 10) should >>>include "status" field to be similar to other objects? >> >> Given that none of the RIRs have a publishable status for IP networks, I >> don't think it should be added. >> >> Should such a thing be necessary later on, either RIR specific fields >>can >> be added or a revision to the spec. >> >> -andy >> > From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Jan 4 06:30:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8D621F87A4; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 06:30:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.328 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.328 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yx4nEmAHrvx9; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 06:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89BBF21F8763; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 06:30:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.37 Message-ID: <20130104143021.10021.328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:30:21 -0800 Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:30:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Web Extensible Internet Registration Data= Service Working Group of the IETF. Title : JSON Responses for the Registration Data Access Protocol= (RDAP) Author(s) : Andrew Lee Newton Scott Hollenbeck Filename : draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02.txt Pages : 51 Date : 2013-01-04 Abstract: This document describes JSON data structures representing registration information maintained by Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and Domain Name Registries (DNRs). These data structures are used to form Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) query responses. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-json-response There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From andy@arin.net Fri Jan 4 06:39:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E763521F88CA for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 06:39:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUkJOY6gEU9f for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 06:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C8621F8775 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 06:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id C0746165139; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (chaxch05.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.94]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3108E16512D for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.19) by CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:39:14 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.55]) by CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.19]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:39:32 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHN6ogK1sGW1DUoLkWRd/C+GnKG+pg5PYyA Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:39:31 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E578994C8B@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <20130104143021.10021.328.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:39:38 -0000 The change log section reflects the changes to this version. We wanted to kick out all the current changes before trying to incorporate vCard, which is a rather substantial change. -andy On 1/4/13 9:30 AM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Web Extensible Internet Registration >Data Service Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : JSON Responses for the Registration Data Access >Protocol (RDAP) > Author(s) : Andrew Lee Newton > Scott Hollenbeck > Filename : draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02.txt > Pages : 51 > Date : 2013-01-04 > >Abstract: > This document describes JSON data structures representing > registration information maintained by Regional Internet Registries > (RIRs) and Domain Name Registries (DNRs). These data structures are > used to form Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) query > responses. > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-json-response > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-weirds-json-response-02 > > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >weirds mailing list >weirds@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > From edainow@afilias.info Fri Jan 4 11:38:45 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D916621F84FB for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:38:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LxxzBb0q6rmC for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB56621F84F6 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TrD6G-0007Dp-5k for weirds@ietf.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:38:40 +0000 Received: from mail-ob0-f199.google.com ([209.85.214.199]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrD6G-0008SK-5O for weirds@ietf.org; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:38:40 +0000 Received: by mail-ob0-f199.google.com with SMTP id 16so70801486obc.10 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:38:35 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version :to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=LNlF13wNKURwjvHZqoqyuCk8U4M9Jzjt1sDpwZq58XA=; b=T5XjXK5zCOeYF0YdpB5d+SNRWAeUXzElZuW0zsMbxzuXNM8+jjyzqHxmL7zwcv9MIU ptKrgDCrBd8PFFY5T/4OJjZ8euwgVd1GP0XOjSC55ixFPh/KyZh4XIUSNLZBhNHxMdGN XlZ37BRashWVJ0Ygk6ugKlOSUEBVzLGAfG98NngjX6lzRB91ZnQLxvQRgynq1ZzL9qk1 vMLbVGbanxrjKLdMcxq/EPoY+DzPWHp8sCvx//Vbpa9DT7YEAE2ezzxuEeZPqRHcBh3d 27gnKE34Sd6HpW/wIbnbEl1/Ruz3ocTY/Ab71q9tZZk+UJHxRb5QcyOieqxYolk5XGf6 h2TA== X-Received: by 10.50.157.130 with SMTP id wm2mr249987igb.0.1357328315221; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:38:35 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.157.130 with SMTP id wm2mr249980igb.0.1357328314897; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.68.31] (tor-gateway.afilias.info. [199.15.87.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id az6sm226098igb.11.2013.01.04.11.38.32 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:38:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50E72FB5.90606@afilias.info> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 14:38:29 -0500 From: Ernie Dainow User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <20121223002453.88824.qmail@joyce.lan> <83B545A9-FA01-40B2-A1E1-444D3B570FEB@viagenie.ca> <006001cde3d5$9bb1ea80$d315bf80$@cn> <7BBBC1E3-C25A-461F-8522-96FB8638DD88@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <7BBBC1E3-C25A-461F-8522-96FB8638DD88@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070001020603020606080801" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnKh9xgd8mNttFQO9DRfh4sp3fQBZfSHj2h+zhNNT/6xwmy5Rgsjl7ASG33sTWEBvW8XJSvCwY54uYVtyIaTJTYmIEj+9PLdR6D/tolavPbHQQrH0mp+zxl1CWOdlNdB7yBA5sa Subject: Re: [weirds] vCard | Was: Re: Entity postal address information in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:38:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070001020603020606080801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Various postal formats being suggested are unnecessarily complicated, and don't conform to the ultimate standard here, which is the Post Office. I have never addressed a letter by writing Street: 1234 Maple St Unit: Suite 901 City: Vancouver Province: BC Postal Code: V6J 3R8 Country: Canada And I don't think too many post offices in other countries expect a "structured" address. In fact, the structured address expected is: Line 1: Line 2: Line 3: ... Where the interpretation of each Line depends on the locality or the context. This is exactly what is currently defined for "postalAddress". -Ernie On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Marc Blanchet > wrote: Le 2012-12-26 à 20:58, Linlin Zhou a écrit : > Dear Marc, >> In other words, the protocol format should be the "best possible" (not the >> perfect one) and then each organization maps its current dataset into that > format. >> And overtime, things will improve as new registries come, as old > registries are >> redoing their apps/database, as ... >> >> Given that vcard is not only used a lot into the field for all kind of > apps, and that >> vcard is an IETF format, I would suggest to closely look at it to reuse as > much as >> possible, instead of reinventing the wheel. Moreover, vcard includes the > i18n >> requirements. >> > As seeing you mentioned the i18n requirements included in the vcard, I'd > like to know more details about it. Could you please give any reference? sure. first, I'm not claiming that vcard i18n "features" are in match with weirds requirements (maybe, maybe not). But: - previous vcard version (RFC2425,…) was not "clean" for i18n. multiple charsets, etc… - current version of vcard (RFC6350): the group went to make sure any i18n requirement was met. so, more precisely: + mandating UTF-8 (section 3.1, RFC6350) + escaping (section 3.4) + dates/time in iso format (section 4.3) + language (section 5.1) + geo + tz + tel: based on x.520 Please see RFC6350. Marc. > Thanks. > > Linlin _______________________________________________ weirds mailing list weirds@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds --------------070001020603020606080801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Various postal formats being suggested are unnecessarily complicated, and don't conform to the ultimate standard here, which is the Post Office. I have never addressed a letter by writing

Street: 1234 Maple St
Unit: Suite 901
City: Vancouver
Province: BC
Postal Code: V6J 3R8
Country: Canada

And I don't think too many post offices in other countries expect a "structured" address. In fact, the structured address expected is:
Line 1:
Line 2:
Line 3:
...
Where the interpretation of each Line depends on the locality or the context. This is exactly what is currently defined for "postalAddress".

-Ernie


On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca> wrote:
Le 2012-12-26 à 20:58, Linlin Zhou a écrit :

> Dear Marc,
>> In other words, the protocol format should be the "best possible" (not the
>> perfect one) and then each organization maps its current dataset into that
> format.
>> And overtime, things will improve as new registries come, as old
> registries are
>> redoing their apps/database, as ...
>>
>> Given that vcard is not only used a lot into the field for all kind of
> apps, and that
>> vcard is an IETF format, I would suggest to closely look at it to reuse as
> much as
>> possible, instead of reinventing the wheel.  Moreover, vcard includes the
> i18n
>> requirements.
>>
> As seeing you mentioned the i18n requirements included in the vcard, I'd
> like to know more details about it. Could you please give any reference?


sure. first, I'm not claiming that vcard i18n "features" are in match with weirds requirements (maybe, maybe not).
But:
- previous vcard version (RFC2425,…) was not "clean" for i18n. multiple charsets, etc…
- current version of vcard (RFC6350): the group went to make sure any i18n requirement was met. so, more precisely:
 + mandating UTF-8 (section 3.1, RFC6350)
 + escaping (section 3.4)
 + dates/time in iso format (section 4.3)
 + language (section 5.1)
 + geo
 + tz
 + tel: based on x.520

Please see RFC6350.

Marc.

> Thanks.
>
> Linlin

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--------------070001020603020606080801-- From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Fri Jan 4 13:09:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73AB21F873B for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 13:09:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.84 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.84 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e0gzGbrx8ClP for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 13:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5932B21F872C for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 13:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (69-196-144-227.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.144.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9886C8A031 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 21:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:09:34 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20130104210934.GY4336@mx1.yitter.info> References: <20121223002453.88824.qmail@joyce.lan> <83B545A9-FA01-40B2-A1E1-444D3B570FEB@viagenie.ca> <006001cde3d5$9bb1ea80$d315bf80$@cn> <7BBBC1E3-C25A-461F-8522-96FB8638DD88@viagenie.ca> <50E72FB5.90606@afilias.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50E72FB5.90606@afilias.info> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [weirds] vCard | Was: Re: Entity postal address information in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 21:09:38 -0000 On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 02:38:29PM -0500, Ernie Dainow wrote: > Various postal formats being suggested are unnecessarily > complicated That sounds like an assertion that you know what the requirement is for the postal address. What _is_ it we want to do with the postal address? > , and don't conform to the ultimate standard here, which > is the Post Office. Well, maybe not. If the thing people want from this is postal address data that can be consumed by a machine, that turns out to be something that the post office people _have_ tried to do, and given up repeatedly in frustration because humans tend not to follow the standards very well. So this boils down to the question of whether we want subsections of the address to be identifiable all on their own. Those who say "yes" will simply disagree that the more complicated formats are "unnecessarily" complicated. Those who say "no" will of course think the subfields are overkill. I have no real opinion, but I don't think we can resolve this fundamental question just by dismissing one of the options out of hand. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Mon Jan 7 10:47:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CCF21F86A1 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 10:47:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hCU8houvhu7X for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 10:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB44B21F868F for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 10:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from porto.nomis80.org (85-169-40-152.rev.numericable.fr [85.169.40.152]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 118804039E for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:47:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50EB1827.5050904@viagenie.ca> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:47:03 +0100 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <20121223002453.88824.qmail@joyce.lan> <83B545A9-FA01-40B2-A1E1-444D3B570FEB@viagenie.ca> <006001cde3d5$9bb1ea80$d315bf80$@cn> <7BBBC1E3-C25A-461F-8522-96FB8638DD88@viagenie.ca> <50E72FB5.90606@afilias.info> In-Reply-To: <50E72FB5.90606@afilias.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [weirds] vCard | Was: Re: Entity postal address information in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 18:47:05 -0000 Le 2013-01-04 20:38, Ernie Dainow a écrit : > Various postal formats being suggested are unnecessarily complicated, > and don't conform to the ultimate standard here, which is the Post > Office. I have never addressed a letter by writing > > Street: 1234 Maple St > Unit: Suite 901 > City: Vancouver > Province: BC > Postal Code: V6J 3R8 > Country: Canada > > And I don't think too many post offices in other countries expect a > "structured" address. In fact, the structured address expected is: > Line 1: > Line 2: > Line 3: > ... > Where the interpretation of each Line depends on the locality or the > context. This is exactly what is currently defined for "postalAddress". In vCard there is the ADR property, which is structured and based on X.520, and there is the LABEL property which is unstructured. We have both because various situations have various needs. Use what you need. I would expect WEIRDS servers to provide either ADR or LABEL according to what they have in their databases, and I would expect clients to be able to handle both. Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca From gavin.brown@centralnic.com Mon Jan 7 12:47:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CF621F88E8 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qyggY6+Yt-8k for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.centralnic.com (smtp.centralnic.com [193.105.170.131]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA5121F8812 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.14] (b01a9152.bb.sky.com [176.26.145.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.centralnic.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC09712CD0; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50EB345F.7000609@centralnic.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:47:27 +0000 From: Gavin Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Perreault References: <20121223002453.88824.qmail@joyce.lan> <83B545A9-FA01-40B2-A1E1-444D3B570FEB@viagenie.ca> <006001cde3d5$9bb1ea80$d315bf80$@cn> <7BBBC1E3-C25A-461F-8522-96FB8638DD88@viagenie.ca> <50E72FB5.90606@afilias.info> <50EB1827.5050904@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <50EB1827.5050904@viagenie.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [weirds] vCard | Was: Re: Entity postal address information in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:47:27 -0000 On 07/01/2013 18:47, Simon Perreault wrote: > I would expect WEIRDS servers to provide either ADR or LABEL according > to what they have in their databases, and I would expect clients to be > able to handle both. +1. When I raised this topic, it was always my expectation that the specification would allow servers to choose which format they wanted, not to impose one format on everyone. If you have flat, unstructured addresses, then that's fine by me, but I would like to preserve the structure that already exists in my database. G. -- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Ltd Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 4985780. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR. From peter@denic.de Mon Jan 7 23:00:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5560121F87AB for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:00:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u1MYB28MN4U3 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from office.denic.de (office.denic.de [IPv6:2a02:568:122:16:1::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B057E21F8797 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from x27.adm.denic.de ([10.122.64.17]) by office.denic.de with esmtp id 1TsTAW-00081j-G1; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:00:16 +0100 Received: from localhost by x27.adm.denic.de with local id 1TsTAW-0004Fx-CE; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:00:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:00:16 +0100 From: Peter Koch To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20130108070016.GW11174@x28.adm.denic.de> References: <20121223002453.88824.qmail@joyce.lan> <83B545A9-FA01-40B2-A1E1-444D3B570FEB@viagenie.ca> <006001cde3d5$9bb1ea80$d315bf80$@cn> <7BBBC1E3-C25A-461F-8522-96FB8638DD88@viagenie.ca> <50E72FB5.90606@afilias.info> <50EB1827.5050904@viagenie.ca> <50EB345F.7000609@centralnic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50EB345F.7000609@centralnic.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Sender: Peter Koch Subject: Re: [weirds] vCard | Was: Re: Entity postal address information in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response-01 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:00:19 -0000 > +1. When I raised this topic, it was always my expectation that the > specification would allow servers to choose which format they wanted, > not to impose one format on everyone. If you have flat, unstructured assuming the IETF is still in the business of protocol development rather than describing web services, could people please be more specific about what they mean with "servers"? Are we talking about "mandatory/optional to implement" or "mandatory/optional to operate"? -Peter From superuser@gmail.com Thu Jan 10 07:33:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB9421F87EE for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xgTmHRPI58sM for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83B321F87AC for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ep20so734572lab.4 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rP0Ut58JtU7RqLRQbl1HunQxCx6n8ftDmVbVJwFDkZg=; b=WpttvyeILmYO62pTiJh/4zdekJNvsfVi57eBqWrUooeYkVkLe0utNHCW6iMHf6P0UB YNjcA1WKl82ATpg2+VytAdsTqlziMFNq3dh2PVm9CCtIfewmjZ16gLQ0RX3BV1udtFZr gsEcVSUFqsmwq88m56sVlKqOGwHi1YoV0IDo+dzjzWyuW7g0qvN2+dujzn5na/tIIFBs 1OvMs+hux+LtY97rt58t167O6UkWhBRPlCDABGT4CwfYeTim629u+O8JGmLV6NQhksYZ Uj5/gp3lIobonTLgCM+Ps1oSxY9M21DuisJXf+JaK+5ahPDtlw9f+z/LAfLQfo8TYOe5 A3Rg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.54.40 with SMTP id g8mr25963982lbp.76.1357831986709; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.61.67 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:33:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec55555563b851504d2f0e58d Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:33:09 -0000 --bcaec55555563b851504d2f0e58d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Colleagues, We need to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando. I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following: a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? This should not simply be current document status, but rather specific decisions that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consider. c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and then start laying out an agenda. The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind of soon. Thanks, -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair --bcaec55555563b851504d2f0e58d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Colleagues,

We need = to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando.=A0 I&#= 39;d like to hear some suggestions regarding the following:

a)= Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March?

b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-= person?=A0 This should not simply be current document status, but rather sp= ecific decisions that need to be made, or new material the working group ne= eds to consider.

c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind?=A0

We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, a= nd determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and = then start laying out an agenda.

The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to dec= ide this kind of soon.

Thanks,
-MSK, WEIRDS co-c= hair

--bcaec55555563b851504d2f0e58d-- From shollenbeck@verisign.com Thu Jan 10 07:35:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C731121F88B2 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yMw3TDesLxCZ for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod6og113.obsmtp.com (exprod6og113.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC7221F88DA for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob113.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUO7ftdDuaFNBJc4eDR0mlT/kmxay5xFp@postini.com; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 07:35:19 PST Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0AFZDAi010352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:35:13 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:34:17 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request Thread-Index: AQHN70fOmJUorjPe50ybkISl/TcjA5hCsSyg Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:35:12 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DF20C@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DF20CBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:35:22 -0000 --_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DF20CBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Searching and i18n may well be topics that are ripe for discussion. I think= we'll have reason to meet and Andy or I will need to have time on the agen= da for both topics. Scott From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:33 AM To: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request Colleagues, We need to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando= . I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following: a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? This = should not simply be current document status, but rather specific decisions= that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consider. c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and d= etermine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and then= start laying out an agenda. The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind o= f soon. Thanks, -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair --_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DF20CBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Searching and i18n may we= ll be topics that are ripe for discussion. I think we’ll have reason = to meet and Andy or I will need to have time on the agenda for both topics.

 <= /p>

Scott

 <= /p>

From: weirds-b= ounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:33 AM
To: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request

 

Colleagues,

We need to make our r= equest to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando.  I'd like to h= ear some suggestions regarding the following:

a) Do we think there'= s a need for in-person meeting time in March?

b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-pers= on?  This should not simply be current document status, but rather spe= cific decisions that need to be made, or new material the working group nee= ds to consider.

c) Do you wish to mak= e a presentation of some kind? 

We can base our reque= st for a meeting room on your responses to this, and determine what length = of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and then start laying out an = agenda.

The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we nee= d to decide this kind of soon.


Thanks,

-MSK, WEIRDS co-chair=

--_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DF20CBRN1WNEXMBX01vc_-- From steve.sheng@icann.org Thu Jan 10 09:43:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8473A21F8A69 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:43:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OiLQ7uAFD53u for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from EXPFE100-2.exc.icann.org (expfe100-2.exc.icann.org [64.78.22.237]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D958121F8A5A for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:43:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from EXVPMBX100-1.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.232]) by EXPFE100-2.exc.icann.org ([64.78.22.237]) with mapi; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:43:17 -0800 From: Steve Sheng To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" , "Murray S. Kucherawy" , "weirds@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:43:17 -0800 Thread-Topic: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request Thread-Index: Ac3vWfl6Itagb7nzSJqr8S4AeCsgIQ== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DF20C@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3440655797_1033021" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:43:20 -0000 --B_3440655797_1033021 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3440655797_1010480" --B_3440655797_1010480 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Murray,=20 If time permits (15 minutes), I would like to present ICANN's policy work on internationalized registration data, and discuss possible impacts (if any) to weirds.=20 Steve From: , Scott Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:35 AM To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" , "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request > Searching and i18n may well be topics that are ripe for discussion. I thi= nk > we=B9ll have reason to meet and Andy or I will need to have time on the age= nda > for both topics. > =20 > Scott > =20 >=20 > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of > Murray S. Kucherawy > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 10:33 AM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request > =20 >=20 > Colleagues, > We need to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlan= do. > I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following: > a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? >=20 > b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? Thi= s > should not simply be current document status, but rather specific decisio= ns > that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consider= . > c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? > We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and > determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and t= hen > start laying out an agenda. >=20 > The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind= of > soon. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair --B_3440655797_1010480 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Murray, 
<= br>
  If time permits (15 minutes), I would like to present I= CANN's policy work on internationalized registration data,  and discuss= possible impacts (if any) to weirds. 

Steve

From: <Hollenbeck&= gt;, Scott <shollenbeck@verisig= n.com>
Date: Thursday, Janu= ary 10, 2013 7:35 AM
To: "Murray S= . Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>, "weirds@ietf.org" <weirds@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request

Searching = and i18n may well be topics that are ripe for discussion. I think we’l= l have reason to meet and Andy or I will need to have time on the agenda for= both topics.

 

Scott=

 

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From: we= irds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:w= eirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy
Sent: Thursday, January 1= 0, 2013 10:33 AM
To: weirds@ietf.= org
Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request

 

Colleagues,

We need= to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando.  = I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following:

a) Do we think there's = a need for in-person meeting time in March?

b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person?  = This should not simply be current document status, but rather specific decis= ions that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consid= er.

c)= Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? 

We c= an base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and determ= ine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and then start= laying out an agenda.

The req= uest has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind of soon.<= o:p>


Thanks,

-MSK, WEIRDS co-chair

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b=Sgpk9xyiliV6jIEsiBwm5NOWDFthGcZm7m0zoJh/SKW3bswu0Ds3fB8SWIXEkR04i UJpPhXRm+hLoGqqs3i8NO4FlAMxFExJ3KpAEGwmlZVPHe/OehvNnYtoFhCsN6+UXWg q1O/ikM+7lPW9vE1Xp9zKD3r70Ckg8h//NTxJol4= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130110100501.0ad2a5b8@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:25:38 -0800 To: weirds@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:28:27 -0000 At 07:33 10-01-2013, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? No. Regards, -sm From johnl@iecc.com Thu Jan 10 12:44:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55C821F879D for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:44:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.302, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x3zE+xsH1ihy for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37C021F8799 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 42898 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2013 20:44:43 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2013 20:44:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=50ef283b.xn--9vv.k1301; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=a23Kha92y9/+HKtrEbyBjkal09dsN4+IEaMpiqBrfmQ=; b=lg+hK8w1264krw3y0uhH7r05muKte/H1Dm7nQFnz4kQ4U5PyDhEz7OlZRhswDu4cbRsG8jq9UMYdXWDbM9872kbN1O18LqhtI5vGJN1n3EOaffwWr3D8U0LQWmx0W6S0YjrR1re3q5QTyadRIFKwUo8umfazLTJtRm/IswUh4Hs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=50ef283b.xn--9vv.k1301; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=a23Kha92y9/+HKtrEbyBjkal09dsN4+IEaMpiqBrfmQ=; b=o1isIeCiN9qqIYWDWG4nuOIksTz4bKUocxT8sV7dcZtQsPDinT5ElLH/AykHTOFZOCJvbYYQR9vwKp1uXK9XSXfjTB0gXOW4P++gUvSchTH7hst0BQy3z1kE5eR03lzEvW5bbJvjMcOZDJAEkxdp8tAiAnnDYX5HQYvxd0pbYSk= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 10 Jan 2013 20:44:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20130110204420.90167.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:44:50 -0000 > If time permits (15 minutes), I would like to present ICANN's policy work >on internationalized registration data, and discuss possible impacts (if >any) to weirds. Although that seems interesting, it doesn't strike me as an appropriate use of limited IETF meeting time. I have to agree with SM. There doesn't seem to be enough going on in WEIRDS to merit meeting. The closest thing to a disagreement is the vCard stuff, and we seem to have worked that out. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From sm@resistor.net Thu Jan 10 13:52:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C8121F8834 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:52:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.585 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.585 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lP807Vi9ha8N for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004E321F86C2 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.resistor.net (IDENT:sm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0ALqh2n009845 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:52:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1357854767; bh=PpwgLdKXJdLj4tmcWbOupPGjZEGerNIGHurBn7zHiNs=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=g3bSn35oKhAYjpsDiFNVdQw6MWr5X0MyxHVkqIySOHKeIf/pt9R6Fiv+K570r0EXq XoXLVSeQKh+e3ZnXERH2ngqWF07OmRWG6lOhckilE+sOhPlditUYyIeScf44JOn7XG hpqfb6GJjLUlhOQluAo6hBRnPzdhP3MNPpIDsGhk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=resistor.net; s=mail; t=1357854767; i=@resistor.net; bh=PpwgLdKXJdLj4tmcWbOupPGjZEGerNIGHurBn7zHiNs=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=QIpRackuDSzYdTImPZd7dObJlkBb4PYmeX9W2Wviq99FbPxHTzyP5oOSbRM16nKX1 ZBE6No95igjQA+Yxlz2g5yd8pXDytpLhDlTfcJp4f4o1iBcn2Vc2lcm9X2gMIslQaT 7i9o5rJvdYdKJfahR1op7vN0pWrsOI/KM8A3lh58= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130110131617.0a6ed3c8@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:37:12 -0800 To: weirds@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: <20130110204420.90167.qmail@joyce.lan> References: <20130110204420.90167.qmail@joyce.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:52:50 -0000 At 12:44 10-01-2013, John Levine wrote: >Although that seems interesting, it doesn't strike me as an >appropriate use of limited IETF meeting time. Agreed. Regards, -sm From zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn Thu Jan 10 17:06:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B9C21F88D1 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:06:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cUAuCIc3nCPA for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DD3B21F88CC for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:06:37 -0800 (PST) X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown127.0.0.1 (HELO lenovo95e6383c) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:06:31 +0800 From: "Linlin Zhou" To: "'Murray S. Kucherawy'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:06:31 +0800 Message-ID: <013e01cdef97$e472a070$ad57e150$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_013F_01CDEFDA.F295E070" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3vR9BM70qHXGDFSCaYC8Fl73ypJAATuMCA Content-Language: zh-cn Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:06:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CDEFDA.F295E070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Murray, CNNIC is preparing for the Restful Whois implementation. If time is allowable, we'd like to share a demo system and call for more volunteers. Thanks. Linlin From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:33 PM To: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request Colleagues, We need to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando. I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following: a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? This should not simply be current document status, but rather specific decisions that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consider. c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and then start laying out an agenda. The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind of soon. Thanks, -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair ------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CDEFDA.F295E070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear = Murray,

 =

CNNIC is = preparing for the Restful Whois implementation. If time is allowable, = we’d like to share a demo system and call for more = volunteers.

 =

Thanks.

Linlin=

 =

From:= = weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Murray S. Kucherawy
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:33 = PM
To: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 = meeting request

 

Colleagues,

We need to make our = request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando.  I'd like = to hear some suggestions regarding the = following:

a) Do we think there's = a need for in-person meeting time in March?

b) If "yes" = to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person?  This = should not simply be current document status, but rather specific = decisions that need to be made, or new material the working group needs = to consider.

c) Do you wish to make = a presentation of some kind? 

We = can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and = determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and = then start laying out an agenda.

The request has to be submitted by = Monday, so we need to decide this kind of = soon.


Thanks,

-MSK, WEIRDS = co-chair

------=_NextPart_000_013F_01CDEFDA.F295E070-- From ajs@anvilwalrusden.com Thu Jan 10 18:41:20 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7AD21F8863 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:41:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.84 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.84 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s7INmMAbKWyR for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408BB21F884F for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ip-64-134-66-93.public.wayport.net [64.134.66.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66E8E8A031 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:41:17 -0500 From: Andrew Sullivan To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20130111024116.GC20964@mx1.yitter.info> References: <013e01cdef97$e472a070$ad57e150$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <013e01cdef97$e472a070$ad57e150$@cn> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:41:20 -0000 If there is an intent for demos, I don't know a WG session is the right approach. Why don't we aim for something in a side room or something? Dyn has also been working on this, and my colleague Alex will undoubtedly have something to show in Orlando if we're doing demos. (We could treat this as a bake-off.) A On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 09:06:31AM +0800, Linlin Zhou wrote: > Dear Murray, > > > > CNNIC is preparing for the Restful Whois implementation. If time is > allowable, we'd like to share a demo system and call for more volunteers. > > > > Thanks. > > Linlin > > > > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Murray S. Kucherawy > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:33 PM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request > > > > Colleagues, > > We need to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in Orlando. > I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following: > > a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? > > b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? This > should not simply be current document status, but rather specific decisions > that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consider. > > c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? > > We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and > determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and then > start laying out an agenda. > > The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind of > soon. > > > Thanks, > > -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair > > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From ed.lewis@neustar.biz Fri Jan 11 06:11:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E96D21F8838 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:11:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XOrJ7m0-jfif for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmfepo102.cox.net (eastrmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.214]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08FC21F85D2 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 06:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo109 ([68.230.241.222]) by eastrmfepo102.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20130111141101.SERK7113.eastrmfepo102.cox.net@eastrmimpo109> for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.98.141.167]) by eastrmimpo109 with cox id meB01k00P3cuADQ01eB08q; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:11:01 -0500 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020209.50F01D75.00AE,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ac/jbGUt c=1 sm=1 a=d1qrA6Qzssd1VjKW2xnq3A==:17 a=Fg5qy9WR91sA:10 a=hGBaWAWWAAAA:8 a=mcYJwaa3dQ4A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=Pf6QpW2kAAAA:8 a=8jSGEsiUflv4nMyKQkMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=9k6G2--EmesA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=xQTpdh_7E9wA:10 a=RcRU67pQRT-vorFb:21 a=FD08Em_SHfetj8kZ:21 a=F7cI87GAFPywjVa12Q8A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=0PvXaojA4QOBPILV:21 a=d1qrA6Qzssd1VjKW2xnq3A==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9D861200-85AB-44B2-BCA5-8A9EFC661594" From: Edward Lewis In-Reply-To: <20130111024116.GC20964@mx1.yitter.info> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:11:03 -0500 Message-Id: <6226C349-56B9-459A-B3BA-23A12EE784C8@neustar.biz> References: <013e01cdef97$e472a070$ad57e150$@cn> <20130111024116.GC20964@mx1.yitter.info> To: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Cc: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:11:03 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9D861200-85AB-44B2-BCA5-8A9EFC661594 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think that a WG meeting slot would be a good place for this - = demos/bake-off. That would be the pinnacle of "code over slides!" = ...or spec. On Jan 10, 2013, at 21:41, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > If there is an intent for demos, I don't know a WG session is the > right approach. Why don't we aim for something in a side room or > something? >=20 > Dyn has also been working on this, and my colleague Alex will > undoubtedly have something to show in Orlando if we're doing demos. > (We could treat this as a bake-off.) >=20 > A >=20 > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 09:06:31AM +0800, Linlin Zhou wrote: >> Dear Murray, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> CNNIC is preparing for the Restful Whois implementation. If time is >> allowable, we'd like to share a demo system and call for more = volunteers. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks. >>=20 >> Linlin >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of >> Murray S. Kucherawy >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:33 PM >> To: weirds@ietf.org >> Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Colleagues, >>=20 >> We need to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in = Orlando. >> I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following: >>=20 >> a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? >>=20 >> b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? = This >> should not simply be current document status, but rather specific = decisions >> that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to = consider. >>=20 >> c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? =20 >>=20 >> We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, = and >> determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), = and then >> start laying out an agenda. >>=20 >> The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this = kind of >> soon. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair >>=20 >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> weirds mailing list >> weirds@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds = -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Edward Lewis =20 NeuStar You can leave a voice message at = +1-571-434-5468 There are no answers - just tradeoffs, decisions, and responses. --Apple-Mail=_9D861200-85AB-44B2-BCA5-8A9EFC661594 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Jan 10, 2013, at 21:41, Andrew = Sullivan wrote:

If there is an intent for demos, I don't know a WG = session is the
right approach.  Why don't we aim for something = in a side room or
something?

Dyn has also been working on = this, and my colleague Alex will
undoubtedly have something to show = in Orlando if we're doing demos.
(We could treat this as a = bake-off.)

A

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 09:06:31AM +0800, = Linlin Zhou wrote:
Dear = Murray,



CNNIC is = preparing for the Restful Whois implementation. If time = is
allowable, we'd like to = share a demo system and call for more = volunteers.



Thanks.

Linlin



From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of
Murray S. = Kucherawy
Sent: Thursday, = January 10, 2013 11:33 PM
To: = weirds@ietf.org
Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting = request



Colleagues,

We need to make = our request to the secretariat for meeting space in = Orlando.
I'd like to hear some = suggestions regarding the following:

a) Do we think = there's a need for in-person meeting time in = March?

b) If "yes" to = the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? =  This
should not simply = be current document status, but rather specific = decisions
that need to be = made, or new material the working group needs to = consider.

c) Do you wish = to make a presentation of some kind?  

We can base our = request for a meeting room on your responses to this, = and
determine what length of = meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and = then
start laying out an = agenda.

The request has = to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind = of
soon.


Thanks,

-MSK, WEIRDS = co-chair


_______________________________________________
weirds mailing = list
weirds@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org= /mailman/listinfo/weirds


--
Andrew = Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
_____= __________________________________________
weirds mailing = list
weirds@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds

Edward = Lewis             
NeuStar       = ;          =    You can leave a voice message at = +1-571-434-5468

There are no answers - just tradeoffs, decisions, = and responses.

= --Apple-Mail=_9D861200-85AB-44B2-BCA5-8A9EFC661594-- From gavin.brown@uk.com Fri Jan 11 07:04:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E1521F886F for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:04:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuFwc+vU8FIz for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from vm.tau.uk.com (unknown [46.22.130.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2334121F871C for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:04:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:04:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: weirds@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Gavin Brown" Message-Id: <20130111150443.2334121F871C@ietfa.amsl.com> Subject: [weirds] RDAP.org X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:04:44 -0000 Dear colleagues, To allow RDAP client developers to easily support all the different RDAP services that will eventually exist, I have set up http://rdap.org to act as a broker for RDAP requests. HTTP GET requests of the form http://rdap.org// will be 301 redirected to the appropriate RDAP service. Currently, the RDAP services of CentralNic, VeriSign, APNIC and ARIN are supported. You can query for domain names, nameservers and IPv4 and IPv6 addresses. If you are developing an RDAP service, please use the form on the front page of the site to submit the details of your service for inclusion. The aim is to support every RDAP service that exists. I will eventually publish the source code of the site so that others can set up their own sites to do the same thing. Regards, Gavin. From andy@arin.net Fri Jan 11 07:14:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F10821F88AE for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:14:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tdw4HNFDh--p for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEAF21F8880 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id C5871213693; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (chaxch06.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.95]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CAF21364F; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.19) by CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.95) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:14:19 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.132]) by CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.19]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:14:39 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Gavin Brown , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] RDAP.org Thread-Index: AQHN8A0EJnQEUgu+m0uG9eXa2YhjvphEPJ8A Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:14:38 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58961E6F9@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <20130111150443.2334121F871C@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <0324B70FBC8A4C4490C651EE2DCC493D@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] RDAP.org X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:14:43 -0000 On 1/11/13 10:04 AM, "Gavin Brown" wrote: >HTTP GET requests of the form http://rdap.org// >will be 301 redirected to the appropriate RDAP service. Currently, the >RDAP services of CentralNic, VeriSign, APNIC and ARIN are supported. >You can query for domain names, nameservers and IPv4 and IPv6 >addresses. Thanks Gavin. These types of services were predicted during our bootstrapping conversations. Its interesting to see them come to fruition. -andy From carlosm3011@gmail.com Fri Jan 11 07:38:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1574121F894C for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:38:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SAzh7yNr2jdW for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ye0-f171.google.com (mail-ye0-f171.google.com [209.85.213.171]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92B421F872C for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ye0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m8so338404yen.16 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:38:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eWBt9qYrTq0FWHWXrp89Cu2+LemnVPOzLvujjJgeR1E=; b=qatOu/mNydEExV2V5EPo4vmbfdUlcV+KYwpKOp8HCULHjorDIotAW+rC+aAiMjzQuw PY9LtnqhqS+OPiubVyHuQVae4ZVJFTKELKkb4Lq9NjHmQWJQpecbuTaTWWMjQGRwMh2A 6evbvDTLjQjeFgmdw2SSSVkDK6PBhhtHRxbSX6iYWwG4BH6NoujDAf4GIryShAM29x2L nQjWGESb4gvC4wcMfgxxpTISvOBf2MJYcCphAaVr7dvDB2WNDCGUy5dk7O8mzaWGMGQV VA0ZXtUmdDr3EuLm/qMUm2U4lcdLztMF1BROYvg//e9WNVKkD//+TSusutXnaMmxByI1 BCjw== X-Received: by 10.236.114.99 with SMTP id b63mr38435757yhh.103.1357918733247; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from 85-7-200.lacnic.net.uy ([2001:13c7:7001:5128:1166:a735:8225:26e5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h37sm4054713anm.10.2013.01.11.07.38.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Jan 2013 07:38:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F0323D.7050306@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:39:41 -0200 From: "Carlos M. martinez" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Brown References: <20130111150443.2334121F871C@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20130111150443.2334121F871C@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [weirds] RDAP.org X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:38:55 -0000 Cool Gavin, great work! We have been operating a similar service for a while, but we did not move beyond the experimental phase. I'd like to have our (LACNIC) service added to RDAP.org. What do you need from us ? Regards, ~Carlos On 1/11/13 1:04 PM, Gavin Brown wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > To allow RDAP client developers to easily support all the different > RDAP services that will eventually exist, I have set up > http://rdap.org to act as a broker for RDAP requests. > > HTTP GET requests of the form http://rdap.org// > will be 301 redirected to the appropriate RDAP service. Currently, the > RDAP services of CentralNic, VeriSign, APNIC and ARIN are supported. > You can query for domain names, nameservers and IPv4 and IPv6 > addresses. > > If you are developing an RDAP service, please use the form on the > front page of the site to submit the details of your service for > inclusion. The aim is to support every RDAP service that exists. > > I will eventually publish the source code of the site so that others > can set up their own sites to do the same thing. > > Regards, > > Gavin. > > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > From superuser@gmail.com Sat Jan 12 23:54:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C341621F8AD4 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.436 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.162, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hFNp3jZoEuTy for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA2921F8ABA for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fq12so2891083lab.25 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:54:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OnGTPcJPdimK/CKIVvyHZfhsfT6r5jmWOmDxGN+vd0E=; b=l8MXP8+285df4qKLefXRzyvqYUjr5FekwPvtKPWsgTJzhzDtxpYEFnGzi+doxWBTWK waAjk7VGqQ7Otcz/lW9qoUmBpArGqA9IStcfmGZomZJh/CpYg9oTOrzbjZaWp28irmF5 nEWmkc/S5gHqPLthN1mkCBd1Ni11Ica6Pg5vkMgkX2rb+7s/+x2L0NWKpDipRNpF3C6W tSjx9q7Vh4qfV/Y746KsbtLgWC6wFWcbziQVGcQKOneQNSZWtHiYdt0+6KEnwirh3QGT bcdfVF3q+wBCUYrYEkuxeS+8HeuHdnXIkSqB4lHf9DCkNz16xa8rBY5FHC0IcsWdqppd G/TQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.113.165 with SMTP id iz5mr22992891lab.50.1358063671392; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.61.67 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:54:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6226C349-56B9-459A-B3BA-23A12EE784C8@neustar.biz> References: <013e01cdef97$e472a070$ad57e150$@cn> <20130111024116.GC20964@mx1.yitter.info> <6226C349-56B9-459A-B3BA-23A12EE784C8@neustar.biz> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:54:31 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: Edward Lewis Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0408393bb7378f04d326d6b3 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 07:54:33 -0000 --f46d0408393bb7378f04d326d6b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Our supervising Area Director concurs with Andrew's view, so we won't be requesting a meeting simply to do demos or interop testing. We can certainly make a request for an informal meeting from the secretariat however, which he will support, if the working group would like that. So far we've only heard from Scott and (by proxy) Andy saying we should meet to discuss search and I18N. Personally I'd like to meet specifically on those topics, especially if we can get some additional support from outside experts on the latter. I'll make some inquiries. Any other expressions of support, or the opposite? -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: > I think that a WG meeting slot would be a good place for this - > demos/bake-off. That would be the pinnacle of "code over slides!" ...or > spec. > > On Jan 10, 2013, at 21:41, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > If there is an intent for demos, I don't know a WG session is the > right approach. Why don't we aim for something in a side room or > something? > > Dyn has also been working on this, and my colleague Alex will > undoubtedly have something to show in Orlando if we're doing demos. > (We could treat this as a bake-off.) > > A > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 09:06:31AM +0800, Linlin Zhou wrote: > > Dear Murray, > > > > > CNNIC is preparing for the Restful Whois implementation. If time is > > allowable, we'd like to share a demo system and call for more volunteers. > > > > > Thanks. > > > Linlin > > > > > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of > > Murray S. Kucherawy > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:33 PM > > To: weirds@ietf.org > > Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request > > > > > Colleagues, > > > We need to make our request to the secretariat for meeting space in > Orlando. > > I'd like to hear some suggestions regarding the following: > > > a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in March? > > > b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-person? This > > should not simply be current document status, but rather specific decisions > > that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consider. > > > c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? > > > We can base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and > > determine what length of meeting will likely be necessary (if any), and > then > > start laying out an agenda. > > > The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind > of > > soon. > > > > Thanks, > > > -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair > > > > _______________________________________________ > > weirds mailing list > > weirds@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > > > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > -=-=-=- > Edward Lewis > NeuStar You can leave a voice message at > +1-571-434-5468 > > There are no answers - just tradeoffs, decisions, and responses. > > > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > > --f46d0408393bb7378f04d326d6b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Our supervising Area Director concurs with Andrew's vi= ew, so we won't be requesting a meeting simply to do demos or interop t= esting.=A0 We can certainly make a request for an informal meeting from the= secretariat however, which he will support, if the working group would lik= e that.

So far we&#= 39;ve only heard from Scott and (by proxy) Andy saying we should meet to di= scuss search and I18N.=A0 Personally I'd like to meet specifically on t= hose topics, especially if we can get some additional support from outside = experts on the latter.=A0 I'll make some inquiries.

Any other expressions of support, or t= he opposite?

-MSK, WEIRDS co-chair<= br>

On Fri, = Jan 11, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Edward Lewis <ed.lewis@neustar.biz> wrote:
I t= hink that a WG meeting slot would be a good place for this - demos/bake-off= . =A0That would be the pinnacle of "code over slides!" =A0...or s= pec.

On Jan 10, 2013, at 21:41, Andrew Sull= ivan wrote:

If there is an intent f= or demos, I don't know a WG session is the
right approach. =A0Why do= n't we aim for something in a side room or
something?

Dyn has also been working on this, and my colleague Alex = will
undoubtedly have something to show in Orlando if we're doing de= mos.
(We could treat this as a bake-off.)

A

On Fri, Jan 11= , 2013 at 09:06:31AM +0800, Linlin Zhou wrote:
Dear Murray,



CNNIC is prepar= ing for the Restful Whois implementation. If time is
allowable, we'd like to share a = demo system and call for more volunteers.



Thanks.

Linlin



From: w= eirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
Murray S. Kucherawy
=
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:33 PM
To: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting re= quest



Colleagues,

We need to make our request to the secretariat for me= eting space in Orlando.
I'd l= ike to hear some suggestions regarding the following:

a) Do we think there's a need for in-person meeting time in Marc= h?

b) If "yes" to the above, which topics need to be covered in-pers= on? =A0This
should not simply be = current document status, but rather specific decisions
that need to be made, or new material the working group needs to consider.<= br>

c) Do you wish to make a presentation of some kind? =A0

We can= base our request for a meeting room on your responses to this, and
determine what length of meeting will li= kely be necessary (if any), and then
start laying out an agenda.

The request has to be submitted by Monday, so we need to decide this kind= of
soon.


Thanks,
-MSK, WEIRDS co-chair


_____________= __________________________________
weirds mailing list
weirds@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds


--
Andrew Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrusden.com
_____________= __________________________________
weirds mailing list
weirds@ietf.org
= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds

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Edward Lewis=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0<= br>NeuStar=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 You can leave a voice message at +1-571-434-5468

There are no answers - just tradeoffs, decisions, and responses.


_______________________________________________
weirds mailing list
weirds@ietf.org
= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds


--f46d0408393bb7378f04d326d6b3-- From shollenbeck@verisign.com Mon Jan 14 04:07:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A69021F85D6 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:07:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rzuM2ckTt0At for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod6og119.obsmtp.com (exprod6og119.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAABA21F85D2 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob119.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUPP02DJoqe33NNKm2JId9F1EU3FRkBKV@postini.com; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 04:07:05 PST Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0EC6iCZ025584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:06:44 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:05:37 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Thread-Topic: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request Thread-Index: AQHN8WMXREHDsfGLLESkPDmx4r0qe5hIu+WA Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:06:43 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DFE05@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <013e01cdef97$e472a070$ad57e150$@cn> <20130111024116.GC20964@mx1.yitter.info> <6226C349-56B9-459A-B3BA-23A12EE784C8@neustar.biz> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DFE05BRN1WNEXMBX01vc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:07:06 -0000 --_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DFE05BRN1WNEXMBX01vc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of= Murray S. Kucherawy Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:55 AM To: Edward Lewis Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request So far we've only heard from Scott and (by proxy) Andy saying we should mee= t to discuss search and I18N. Personally I'd like to meet specifically on = those topics, especially if we can get some additional support from outside= experts on the latter. I'll make some inquiries. Andy and I are working on an individual submission draft that makes a first= attempt to address these topics. It will be published before the meeting a= nd will likely give us plenty to talk about. Scott --_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DFE05BRN1WNEXMBX01vc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: weirds-b= ounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:55 AM
To: Edward Lewis
Cc: weirds@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request

 

So far we've only hea= rd from Scott and (by proxy) Andy saying we should meet to discuss search a= nd I18N.  Personally I'd like to meet specifically on those topics, es= pecially if we can get some additional support from outside experts on the latter.  I'll make some inquiries.

Andy and I are working on an individual submission draft that makes a= first attempt to address these topics. It will be published before the meeting and will likely give us plenty to talk about.

Scott

--_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DFE05BRN1WNEXMBX01vc_-- From andy@arin.net Mon Jan 14 07:19:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C14421F888A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:19:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8fA+m-E7siDP for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:19:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FAA21F895F for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 74FFA213690; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (chaxch05.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.94]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E790E2135EE; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.18) by CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:18:51 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.132]) by CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:18:56 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" , "Murray S. Kucherawy" Thread-Topic: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request Thread-Index: AQHN70fNmE8gw7aq/EmsbOtn7jrAF5hDpQqAgAAaeoCAAMC4gIACu3aAgAHYy4D//+HigA== Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:18:55 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F43E@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6DFE05@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F43ECHAXCH01corpari_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:19:19 -0000 --_000_62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F43ECHAXCH01corpari_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: , Scott Hollenbeck > Date: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:06 AM To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" > Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeting request Andy and I are working on an individual submission draft that makes a first= attempt to address these topics. It will be published before the meeting a= nd will likely give us plenty to talk about. In this case, "plenty to talk about" is an understatement. "search" is a ve= ry complicated topic. -andy --_000_62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F43ECHAXCH01corpari_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7B4FA3B429A7EE4DBC8560AE7DB4168A@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: <Hollenbeck>, Scott Hol= lenbeck <shollenbeck@verisig= n.com>
Date: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:06= AM
To: "Murray S. Kucherawy"= <superuser@gmail.com>
Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" <= weirds@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [weirds] IETF 86 meeti= ng request

A= ndy and I are working on an individual submission draft that makes a first att= empt to address these topics. It will be published before the meeting and w= ill likely give us plenty to talk about.

In this case, "plenty to talk about" is an understatement. &= quot;search" is a very complicated topic.

-andy
--_000_62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F43ECHAXCH01corpari_-- From andy@arin.net Mon Jan 14 08:06:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E521521F8738 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:06:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SYcwuewoPHYP for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5380721F86C1 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 08DA521367D; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (chaxch06.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.95]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A7AC2135EE for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.18) by CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.95) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:05:27 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.132]) by CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:06:01 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: on the subject of vcard Thread-Index: AQHN8nELOYd6uQbnTkG4RFlNopRZug== Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:06:00 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F5A4@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <7A1E532768168648B82E50B06AA3ABD2@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [weirds] on the subject of vcard X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:06:09 -0000 All, I started looking at the vCard JSON draft. You can find it here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bhat-vcarddav-json/ In my opinion there are a couple of issues we need to keep in mind: First, the current draft expired over a month ago. Even if it were kept current, it doesn't look like that draft has a working group home, and therefore placing a dependency on it could delay the WEIRDS work. Our working group could adopt it, but that seems rather odd as vCard is not the focus of WEIRDS. Second, the vCard JSON draft has a section carved out for a JSON schema. At present, there is no standardized JSON schema language. I think making our work depend on a JSON schema language could delay our deliverables. And I say this as the author of the JSON Content Rules draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-newton-json-content-rules/)=8A I.e. I'm not willing to subject WEIRDS to my own JSON schema language preferences. While I do think vCard is a good idea, I'd like to also note that supporting it has never been stated as a goal of this working group. Given the timeline for our milestones, I propose the following compromise: let us go forward with the current flat postal address structure, and when vCard JSON comes to maturity we can revisit the issue and extend the protocol to use vCard JSON. Is this compromise acceptable? What do you all think? -andy From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Mon Jan 14 08:30:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE9821F86BA for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:30:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RiOyWtcplfCN for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466AB21F8550 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 08:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [193.49.159.161]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 985E940397 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:30:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50F432EC.3000701@viagenie.ca> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 17:31:40 +0100 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F5A4@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F5A4@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [weirds] on the subject of vcard X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:30:56 -0000 Le 2013-01-14 17:06, Andy Newton a écrit : > First, the current draft expired over a month ago. Even if it were kept > current, it doesn't look like that draft has a working group home, and > therefore placing a dependency on it could delay the WEIRDS work. Our > working group could adopt it, but that seems rather odd as vCard is not > the focus of WEIRDS. By reusing vCard we will save time by not having to reinvent the wheel. But I agree it has its procedure cost. Hopefully we'll end up with a better protocol in roughly the same time. I can apply some manpower behind this draft to help speed things up. > Second, the vCard JSON draft has a section carved out for a JSON schema. > At present, there is no standardized JSON schema language. I think making > our work depend on a JSON schema language could delay our deliverables. > And I say this as the author of the JSON Content Rules draft > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-newton-json-content-rules/)Š I.e. > I'm not willing to subject WEIRDS to my own JSON schema language > preferences. Easy fix IMHO: the schema section should be dropped from that draft. > While I do think vCard is a good idea, I'd like to also note that > supporting it has never been stated as a goal of this working group. Given > the timeline for our milestones, I propose the following compromise: let > us go forward with the current flat postal address structure, and when > vCard JSON comes to maturity we can revisit the issue and extend the > protocol to use vCard JSON. The thing is, it's not just about postal addresses. I listed all the elements that would be replaced by a single vCard in an earlier mail. Simon From vesely@tana.it Mon Jan 14 10:05:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71EF21F892C for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:05:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qHl1LWod53JB for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:05:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from wmail.tana.it (mail.tana.it [62.94.243.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC6321F84E6 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:05:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tana.it; s=beta; t=1358186736; bh=4YWQiTT1HBkbVf5p43f1DdDTtNtDc2WfQVb8HUAFUkI=; l=729; h=Date:From:To; b=FhJoONgwRXBYJoVxnbr0kBVqkFYc9p0XnLQeFtZL4tLHK8viaPWtmUnPpLouHGtc/ JbZKOl4FexcjZNDOFf/hn0LE4pYMJlGto2fk7KrfdTVKMj8p09fhAJ/NSnpugO5SWi SM6V78odkTxhL/SlCeRzsH6SuyGRXdvSfDSHEqaw= Received: from [172.25.197.158] (pcale.tana [172.25.197.158]) (AUTH: CRAM-MD5 uXDGrn@SYT0/k, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wmail.tana.it with ESMTPSA; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:05:36 +0100 id 00000000005DC042.0000000050F448F0.00002A60 Message-ID: <50F448F0.7030308@tana.it> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:05:36 +0100 From: Alessandro Vesely User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [weirds] Authentication-Results for the outcome of RDAP X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:05:38 -0000 Hi All, I haven't set up RDAP yet, but it's on my to-do list to lookup the IP address of incoming mail relays. One question is whether that should be done just before reporting abuse rather than every time a message is received. Lazy lookup can save cycles, but having the reporting domain may aid reckoning reputation, especially if there is no DKIM nor SPF authentication. If done routinely, the problem arises of how to transmit the result from the boundary MX to downstream processors. The Authentication-Results header field (RFC 5451) seems to be the obvious solution. We just need to document the new tag names somewhere. Where? I don't think this topic deserves an entry in the meeting agenda, does it? From superuser@gmail.com Mon Jan 14 11:13:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C94121F8B45 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t7cNxVo+7eKI for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com (mail-lb0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE0221F8B1A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id gj3so3144117lbb.25 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/2sDLfkjHynaIpy6DSEf317mf946f6NBVVEXDblqpWw=; b=gegsFdxfIPMVgc5Nt1ZpNCBqsPtq5o5UvKBnddZJQrseAgE+Q3OxEfOT1GX32Yf5+u 0xEWbq3nzCzyFEuzO/eDghkmTnDdny4T3wuKd8tt87+PmVHIPJwWyeuvjLTqZrH2vwTv JU7j2JVFnVCbrXAqKOTfq5PeJ2uZfFoyKFK2CiXcFS9dNyxHJG9/6nNh8+h4QoGLatWq p6Z0o8zRki58OdJ7+6yMqm+m+ayM1wCOOEJG99Tb2JV+Swk+IaBIYwvvlcnft2V1UDHd 28XM3aD73pGTUv5HD5+apOrTmdKndSqGBHCXk/IkhPJB269PjYTzwy5U54FODMJpZ5cb JRUg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.108.48 with SMTP id hh16mr82138868lab.25.1358190832185; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.61.67 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50F448F0.7030308@tana.it> References: <50F448F0.7030308@tana.it> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 11:13:52 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: Alessandro Vesely Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54fb9d216f06304d3447270 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Authentication-Results for the outcome of RDAP X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:13:54 -0000 --bcaec54fb9d216f06304d3447270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Definitely an AOB topic, if we have time. I don't think doing this through Authentication-Results is right, however. What's the authentication work being done? -MSK On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: > Hi All, > > I haven't set up RDAP yet, but it's on my to-do list to lookup the IP > address of incoming mail relays. One question is whether that should > be done just before reporting abuse rather than every time a message > is received. Lazy lookup can save cycles, but having the reporting > domain may aid reckoning reputation, especially if there is no DKIM > nor SPF authentication. > > If done routinely, the problem arises of how to transmit the result > from the boundary MX to downstream processors. The > Authentication-Results header field (RFC 5451) seems to be the obvious > solution. We just need to document the new tag names somewhere. Where? > > I don't think this topic deserves an entry in the meeting agenda, does it? > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > --bcaec54fb9d216f06304d3447270 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Definitely an AOB topic, if we have time.
I don't think doing this through Authentication-Results is right= , however.=A0 What's the authentication work being done?

-= MSK


On Mon,= Jan 14, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> = wrote:
Hi All,

I haven't set up RDAP yet, but it's on my to-do list to lookup the = IP
address of incoming mail relays. =A0One question is whether that should
be done just before reporting abuse rather than every time a message
is received. =A0Lazy lookup can save cycles, but having the reporting
domain may aid reckoning reputation, especially if there is no DKIM
nor SPF authentication.

If done routinely, the problem arises of how to transmit the result
from the boundary MX to downstream processors. =A0The
Authentication-Results header field (RFC 5451) seems to be the obvious
solution. =A0We just need to document the new tag names somewhere. =A0Where= ?

I don't think this topic deserves an entry in the meeting agenda, does = it?
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--bcaec54fb9d216f06304d3447270-- From andy@arin.net Mon Jan 14 15:46:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA22221F8B8B for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:46:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5MKarL8-3eTU for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599EC21F8B8A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id E7FC41650B3; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (chaxch05.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.94]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2821650AA; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.19) by CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:46:02 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.132]) by CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.19]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:46:07 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Simon Perreault , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] on the subject of vcard Thread-Index: AQHN8nELOYd6uQbnTkG4RFlNopRZuphJWDIAgAAljoA= Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:46:07 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F791@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <50F432EC.3000701@viagenie.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [192.149.252.97] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21841FC99BE77A4B8696AED0A79B354C@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] on the subject of vcard X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 23:46:18 -0000 On 1/14/13 11:31 AM, "Simon Perreault" wrote: >By reusing vCard we will save time by not having to reinvent the wheel. Simon, I do not disagree with this. >But I agree it has its procedure cost. Hopefully we'll end up with a >better protocol in roughly the same time. > >I can apply some manpower behind this draft to help speed things up. As I said, WEIRDS is likely not the appropriate forum for vCard work. Therefore a vCard JSON dependency would be unpredictable as to the timeline needed to complete it. >The thing is, it's not just about postal addresses. I listed all the >elements that would be replaced by a single vCard in an earlier mail. You're quite right and good point. Let me amend the proposed compromise to include all the elements you mentioned. We could place them under a single sub-object to be be superseded by server operators when we can extend RDAP to support vCard. -andy From vesely@tana.it Tue Jan 15 00:34:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D4C21F8633 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:34:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nh1XBYN+6ZgK for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from wmail.tana.it (mail.tana.it [62.94.243.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379DF21F844F for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 00:34:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tana.it; s=beta; t=1358238837; bh=7QCjCL8quJDBcP53QJmUuXx9Pmba68cL2315J3jeIMg=; l=372; h=Date:From:To:References:In-Reply-To; b=L5vRkGZJnmq3WmVhNgEF9EVOc8I6b+fAejy6QyOFrbX4Vw7feuTXNc7vklvAQwyn5 wa2G5BpFksd8uTrBAPTN7DBq1FKNxkzJYob8Dske8JavAO+owUuqCNfURDttMDUVU3 K/NDVubveEkXA7yJ3RltEzI3TfahRAGAWFq2eoqo= Received: from [172.25.197.158] (pcale.tana [172.25.197.158]) (AUTH: CRAM-MD5 uXDGrn@SYT0/k, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wmail.tana.it with ESMTPSA; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:33:57 +0100 id 00000000005DC02B.0000000050F51475.000050E5 Message-ID: <50F51477.2010009@tana.it> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:33:59 +0100 From: Alessandro Vesely User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <50F448F0.7030308@tana.it> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] Authentication-Results for the outcome of RDAP X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:34:02 -0000 On Mon 14/Jan/2013 20:13:52 +0100 Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Definitely an AOB topic, if we have time. ... and meeting :-) > I don't think doing this through Authentication-Results is right, > however. What's the authentication work being done? The relaying address has an abuse team who takes care of what it sends. A much richer semantics than iprev, no? From simon.perreault@viagenie.ca Tue Jan 15 02:30:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA54321F883F for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:30:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.786 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.786 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.815, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Twms3q41k4O4 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206FC21F8795 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:660:3001:4012:f454:37f3:6ead:1220]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3541A41499; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:30:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50F52FE9.4040206@viagenie.ca> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:31:05 +0100 From: Simon Perreault User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Newton References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F791@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F791@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] on the subject of vcard X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:30:19 -0000 Le 2013-01-15 00:46, Andy Newton a écrit : > As I said, WEIRDS is likely not the appropriate forum for vCard work. > Therefore a vCard JSON dependency would be unpredictable as to the > timeline needed to complete it. I'm not proposing that the jCard draft be adopted by WEIRDS, although it would be nice I guess. It can remain an individual draft, eventually being brought to IESG as AD-sponsored, I suppose. FYI, there's an equivalent draft for iCalendar with a lot of traction. This has been published earlier today: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kewisch-et-al-icalendar-in-json-01.txt http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/vcarddav/current/msg02688.html jCard could be seen as a syntactical subset of jCalendar. So we just have to adapt to vCard what those guys are doing for iCalendar. IMHO it's not a big endeavour. I've done it before with XML, JSON should be way easier. >> The thing is, it's not just about postal addresses. I listed all the >> elements that would be replaced by a single vCard in an earlier mail. > > You're quite right and good point. Let me amend the proposed compromise to > include all the elements you mentioned. We could place them under a single > sub-object to be be superseded by server operators when we can extend RDAP > to support vCard. That would work until people start asking (again) about i18n, character sets, languages, data formats, etc. I don't see how that proposal answers those questions. Simon From vesely@tana.it Tue Jan 15 03:16:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAE621F881A for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:16:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f12QFK2SNIoE for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from wmail.tana.it (wmail.tana.it [62.94.243.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B8A21F8783 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 03:16:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tana.it; s=beta; t=1358248605; bh=i727boDpoPl8fdYiXnBg+hqieH4e0w0Wgnrb2CALoq0=; l=847; h=Date:From:To:References:In-Reply-To; b=XPoPZuNRc4NdGrkYSxnGwJZeiLCyYo2GoeRaekn394Y+dOR3FD3vxzxxHJdrRtjnd 9rbm5AsuGQMmoExDKF7dO22AOMJHzN9Vk0DTGqUbjaTqyxDHMCVvLm8iRFqxZEIN0r JhhKDaNz7lAKp5qfUASCHqdgUp8mRqpWOylnp6vU= Received: from [172.25.197.158] (pcale.tana [172.25.197.158]) (AUTH: CRAM-MD5 uXDGrn@SYT0/k, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wmail.tana.it with ESMTPSA; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:16:45 +0100 id 00000000005DC045.0000000050F53A9D.000047B5 Message-ID: <50F53A9D.90107@tana.it> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:16:45 +0100 From: Alessandro Vesely User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F791@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F791@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] on the subject of vcard X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:16:48 -0000 On Tue 15/Jan/2013 00:46:07 +0100 Andy Newton wrote: > On 1/14/13 11:31 AM, "Simon Perreault" wrote: > >> The thing is, it's not just about postal addresses. > > Let me amend the proposed compromise to include all the elements > you mentioned. We could place them under a single sub-object alternatively, a "flat" merge of the object parts boils down to picking vCard type/names where available. For example: "email": [ {"type": "auto", "text": "feedback@example.net" }, {"type": "work", "text": "irt@example.net" } ] instead of "emails": [ "feedback@example.net", "irt@example.net" ] > to be be superseded by server operators when we can extend RDAP to > support vCard. resp., to be automagically recognized as a vCard extension whenever the latter will get standardized. jm2c From andy@arin.net Tue Jan 15 10:11:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFBC21F86D5 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JLxf-Co5Y-zL for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A411221F8645 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 3C9E716527A; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (chaxch06.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.95]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D162F165276; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.19) by CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.95) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.283.3; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:11:10 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.158]) by CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.19]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:11:48 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Simon Perreault Thread-Topic: [weirds] on the subject of vcard Thread-Index: AQHN8nELOYd6uQbnTkG4RFlNopRZuphJWDIAgAAljoCAAQgIgIAALOOA Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:11:47 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBAD041@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <50F52FE9.4040206@viagenie.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <37BBBC0A5B75AF41B133998FBE8DDB13@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] on the subject of vcard X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:11:50 -0000 On 1/15/13 5:31 AM, "Simon Perreault" wrote: >That would work until people start asking (again) about i18n, character >sets, languages, data formats, etc. I don't see how that proposal >answers those questions. For the current data structures, we have that all worked out. -andy From presnick@qti.qualcomm.com Fri Jan 18 14:12:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C4321F86A8 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:12:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.673 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.673 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.074, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id St7m5Pf5Yo7s for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sabertooth01.qualcomm.com (sabertooth01.qualcomm.com [65.197.215.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C6A21F8732 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:12:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=qti.qualcomm.com; i=@qti.qualcomm.com; q=dns/txt; s=qcdkim; t=1358546019; x=1390082019; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8OS9P3Lk/cF98gvSWfPIorQpqjGrOtXywe5u6g00TCo=; b=fNG9GBSOtABeV6OGHMqhqjTPKoDNpwoV8vvXYwcFJUVEPYKewgIgPAVg bKGcjF4mNuHgq+QRGX6Jh3SOWLppVUZu9CB4wDofHjxYEMkAMCxM4rB5u EdFZO6bFQ95Fh/KqNnNITjIlfB8YjCrWYMfIIRKBGEHRsgPundsIKRQcr A=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,495,1355126400"; d="scan'208";a="16953132" Received: from ironmsg04-r.qualcomm.com ([172.30.46.18]) by sabertooth01.qualcomm.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2013 13:53:38 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,495,1355126400"; d="scan'208";a="466025800" Received: from nasanexhc04.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.48.17]) by Ironmsg04-R.qualcomm.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 18 Jan 2013 14:12:38 -0800 Received: from resnick2.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.1) by qcmail1.qualcomm.com (172.30.48.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.318.4; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:12:38 -0800 Message-ID: <50F9C8D5.1050102@qti.qualcomm.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 16:12:37 -0600 From: Pete Resnick User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100630 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Perreault References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58962F791@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> <50F52FE9.4040206@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <50F52FE9.4040206@viagenie.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [172.30.48.1] Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] on the subject of vcard X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 22:12:40 -0000 On 1/15/13 4:31 AM, Simon Perreault wrote: > Le 2013-01-15 00:46, Andy Newton a écrit : >> As I said, WEIRDS is likely not the appropriate forum for vCard work. >> Therefore a vCard JSON dependency would be unpredictable as to the >> timeline needed to complete it. > > I'm not proposing that the jCard draft be adopted by WEIRDS, although > it would be nice I guess. It can remain an individual draft, > eventually being brought to IESG as AD-sponsored, I suppose. Just to let you know, the ADs and others are working out the logistics of moving jCard/jCal (and a bunch of other stuff) either into their own WG or to get them otherwise standardized. I am committed to making sure that jCard is ready for any WG that wishes to reference it. It will *not* be difficult to get it complete. pr -- Pete Resnick Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. - +1 (858)651-4478 From superuser@gmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:11:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F8121F8AF2 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:11:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KoZCD7rnw1zf for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-la0-f44.google.com (mail-la0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D09221F8A4A for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id eb20so6833251lab.3 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:11:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=gts3TG0/+oZuKxT6wZuQyzISbCNczmNOXTCvp/Eb9M4=; b=xaHmoxy8rg9qRVQmOfQ/VbtceTvWfF9fLjGWB1Iw5SsI9KjSlb3KDYGcpVVipA3Q+A pazJh9ArRfzJ4oz0GXbBc3qrPYPbJKVPOvoXUJ8lwnygKd4S1al52GShz4zyGRr4nRgc 1tnLWOINn+D6J8bmr6ObS4JzXCAlBYp+6DIHrARA3AhGuXR6hk+WfLiw+veBr67jjzES PYoDonrZjpTvsHL2nSqNCHIPskS6DViCdMyuFgHuLaVSB3gh18XlcSvRRWgVElzKG9tt 0/HWW3bS89qDd43QTZ0wFtlCw+mdoiFyUhI0EA4hi/Sg7KN+PA0pfv30mOzkSchQGNry SlQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.113.165 with SMTP id iz5mr22628986lab.50.1358885483552; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.61.67 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:11:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0408393b899f4e04d3e62e2b Subject: [weirds] Meeting requested X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:11:25 -0000 --f46d0408393b899f4e04d3e62e2b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apologies for not saying so explicitly, but we did request a one-hour meeting slot for Orlando. The main expected topics will be either or both of search and I18N. We'll post again when the preliminary schedule is available. -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair --f46d0408393b899f4e04d3e62e2b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apologies for not saying so explicitly, but we did re= quest a one-hour meeting slot for Orlando.=A0 The main expected topics will= be either or both of search and I18N.=A0 We'll post again when the pre= liminary schedule is available.

-MSK, WEIRDS co-chair

--f46d0408393b899f4e04d3e62e2b-- From shollenbeck@verisign.com Fri Jan 25 07:02:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF6721F8864 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:02:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id scTL89h3Y6b1 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod6og127.obsmtp.com (exprod6og127.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.78]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BED121F8863 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob127.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUQKeZbDyxArHoO+aJsAYVi6HVH6ihhYq@postini.com; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:02:00 PST Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.205]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0PF1suV028451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:01:56 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:01:33 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHN+wxM/1rE+Kl0N0m2r/e0WjrGgJhaIuug Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:01:46 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:02:01 -0000 This draft should be of interest to working group members. This is a first = attempt by me and Andy to document a search specification. The i18n conside= rations section is essentially blank right now. We are looking for discussi= on on the approach and suggestions for the i18n section. Note that this approach means that I also need to update the query draft WR= T IDNs. It currently says a-labels only", but to make it consistent with th= is search spec we should also allow u-labels. Scott -----Original Message----- From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:58 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. Title : Registration Data Access Protocol Search Processing Author(s) : Scott Hollenbeck Andrew Lee Newton Filename : draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2013-01-25 Abstract: This document describes path segments and query parameters needed to construct HTTP URLs that may be used to search for and retrieve registration information from registries (including both Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and Domain Name Registries (DNRs)) using "RESTful" web access patterns. It also describes a method of encoding responses using Javascript Object Notation (JSON). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00 Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ie= tf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From nkong@cnnic.cn Sun Jan 27 17:27:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8706A21F85B2 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:27:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mmqfGk9PEDcW for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (unknown [218.241.105.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0492121F8203 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown127.0.0.1 (HELO [218.241.103.182]) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:27:02 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Ning Kong In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:27:02 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5F2A5005-67A8-469C-9B3C-D34FAB1FA7AE@cnnic.cn> References: To: Murray S. Kucherawy X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] Meeting requested X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:27:07 -0000 Hi Murray, If time permitts, I'd like to ask for a short slot to discuss the = security issues which especially cover the federated authentication = issue. Cheers, Ning =E5=9C=A8 2013-1-23=EF=BC=8C=E4=B8=8A=E5=8D=884:11=EF=BC=8CMurray S. = Kucherawy =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > Apologies for not saying so explicitly, but we did request a one-hour = meeting slot for Orlando. The main expected topics will be either or = both of search and I18N. We'll post again when the preliminary schedule = is available. >=20 > -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair >=20 > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds From gavin.brown@centralnic.com Mon Jan 28 02:58:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BE021F8540 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:58:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ezwh9UC5tYc for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:58:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.centralnic.com (unknown [193.105.170.214]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E130D21F8B49 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Gavins-iMac.local (82-68-174-118.in-addr.centralnic.net [82.68.174.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.centralnic.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9BCC7204EE; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:58:16 +0000 From: Gavin Brown User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:58:21 -0000 I've just skimmed the draft and it looks like a good start. The first issue I came across was Section 4, Search Processing: "If a server receives a search request but cannot process the request because it does not support a particular style of partial match searching, it SHOULD return an HTTP 500 error." Shouldn't this be 400 instead of 500? G. On 25/01/2013 15:01, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > Title : Registration Data Access Protocol Search Processing > Author(s) : Scott Hollenbeck > Andrew Lee Newton > Filename : draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2013-01-25 -- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Ltd Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 4985780. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:08:41 -0000 On 28/01/2013 12:06, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > 501 Not Implemented > > The server does not support the functionality required to fulfill the request. This is the appropriate response when the server does not recognize the request method and is not capable of supporting it for any resource. > > Now that I look at it again I like the 501 error better. Agreed. G. -- Gavin Brown Chief Technology Officer CentralNic Ltd Innovative, Reliable and Flexible Registry Services for ccTLD, gTLD and private domain name registries https://www.centralnic.com/ CentralNic Ltd is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 4985780. Registered Offices: 35-39 Moorgate, London, EC2R 6AR. From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jan 28 04:13:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9956021F87CB for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:13:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.08 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.08 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.481, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 66jhSPY+yPgM for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6385121F8573 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.24]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lzmgv-1V3ZI019il-014y7E for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:13:07 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jan 2013 12:13:07 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.102]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 13:13:07 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/lUhIajv3ljp6mAcdpxPHHNbZ730Eflpkd5Y6XkF fDaKfWFFoeHoid Message-ID: <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:13:00 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" , Gavin Brown Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:13:09 -0000 On 2013-01-28 13:06, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gavin Brown [mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com] >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:58 AM >> To: Hollenbeck, Scott >> Cc: weirds@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap- >> search-00.txt >> >> I've just skimmed the draft and it looks like a good start. >> >> The first issue I came across was Section 4, Search Processing: >> >> "If a server receives a search request but cannot process the request >> because it does not support a particular style of partial match >> searching, it SHOULD return an HTTP 500 error." >> >> Shouldn't this be 400 instead of 500? > >>From the W3C and RFC 2616 (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html): You really should look at the HTTPbis drafts () > 400 Bad Request > > The request could not be understood by the server due to malformed syntax. The client SHOULD NOT repeat the request without modifications. It seems to be a client error, to I'd recommend a 4xx. > 500 Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from fulfilling the request. > > 501 Not Implemented > > The server does not support the functionality required to fulfill the request. This is the appropriate response when the server does not recognize the request method and is not capable of supporting it for any resource. > > Now that I look at it again I like the 501 error better. Nope. 501 is about HTTP *methods* not being implemented. Best regards, Julian From shollenbeck@verisign.com Mon Jan 28 04:26:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0213D21F8E3C for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:26:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.479 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SW6LFRlaS93y for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod6og107.obsmtp.com (exprod6og107.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.208]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B048D21F89D5 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob107.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUQZuaO0r0zxXjq8qWq3irGcVgZmKKr9b@postini.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:26:20 PST Received: from BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexchm01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.255]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0SCQF5g001127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:26:15 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:26:05 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Julian Reschke Thread-Topic: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHN/UZPQcMM8DJdBEWxKKOb9mnfUJhepF9QgABWhgD//69kEA== Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:26:03 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4E4B@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" , Gavin Brown Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:26:21 -0000 Save us both some time, please, and suggest the proper response code. > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:13 AM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott > Cc: Gavin Brown; weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap- > search-00.txt >=20 > On 2013-01-28 13:06, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gavin Brown [mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com] > >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:58 AM > >> To: Hollenbeck, Scott > >> Cc: weirds@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap- > >> search-00.txt > >> > >> I've just skimmed the draft and it looks like a good start. > >> > >> The first issue I came across was Section 4, Search Processing: > >> > >> "If a server receives a search request but cannot process the > request > >> because it does not support a particular style of partial match > >> searching, it SHOULD return an HTTP 500 error." > >> > >> Shouldn't this be 400 instead of 500? > > > >>From the W3C and RFC 2616 > (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html): >=20 > You really should look at the HTTPbis drafts > () >=20 > > 400 Bad Request > > > > The request could not be understood by the server due to malformed > syntax. The client SHOULD NOT repeat the request without modifications. >=20 > It seems to be a client error, to I'd recommend a 4xx. >=20 > > 500 Internal Server Error > > > > The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it > from fulfilling the request. > > > > 501 Not Implemented > > > > The server does not support the functionality required to fulfill the > request. This is the appropriate response when the server does not > recognize the request method and is not capable of supporting it for > any resource. > > > > Now that I look at it again I like the 501 error better. >=20 > Nope. 501 is about HTTP *methods* not being implemented. That's certainly not what the text says. Could you save us both some time, = please, and suggest an appropriate 4xx response code if you disagree with 5= 01? Scott From shollenbeck@verisign.com Mon Jan 28 04:38:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A957021F8767 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:38:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RGWjW1flLupS for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod6og119.obsmtp.com (exprod6og119.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3469F21F8763 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:38:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob119.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUQZxVInNCMitgrStF8c1XDhk3zToQ6BO@postini.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:38:47 PST Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.205]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0SCcfe8031934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:38:41 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:38:08 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Julian Reschke Thread-Topic: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHN/UZPQcMM8DJdBEWxKKOb9mnfUJhepF9QgABWhgD//7GXIA== Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:38:29 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4E65@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:38:47 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:13 AM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott > Cc: Gavin Brown; weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap- > search-00.txt >=20 > On 2013-01-28 13:06, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Gavin Brown [mailto:gavin.brown@centralnic.com] > >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:58 AM > >> To: Hollenbeck, Scott > >> Cc: weirds@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap- > >> search-00.txt > >> > >> I've just skimmed the draft and it looks like a good start. > >> > >> The first issue I came across was Section 4, Search Processing: > >> > >> "If a server receives a search request but cannot process the > request > >> because it does not support a particular style of partial match > >> searching, it SHOULD return an HTTP 500 error." > >> > >> Shouldn't this be 400 instead of 500? > > > >>From the W3C and RFC 2616 > (http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html): >=20 > You really should look at the HTTPbis drafts > () OK, done. From section 7.6 (Server Error 5xx) of draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-sema= ntics: "Response status codes beginning with the digit "5" indicate cases in which= the server is aware that it has erred _or is incapable of performing the r= equest_." (Emphasis mine) and "These response codes are applicable to any request method." 7.6.2. 501 Not Implemented: "The server does not support the functionality required to fulfill the requ= est. This is the appropriate response when the server does not recognize t= he request method and is not capable of supporting it for any resource." This certainly sounds like the search scenario described above. The server = does not support the requested search functionality and is not capable of s= upporting it. Which 4xx response would be more appropriate? 400 or 405 seem= to come closest, but this isn't a syntax error (400) and I don't understan= d how the server could return a list of valid methods as required for a 405= response. Scott From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jan 28 04:51:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9F021F8473 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:51:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.875 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.875 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.276, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QIWFq59tjsF0 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D59521F8472 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 04:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.2]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mg2Ch-1UKtQV105d-00NPkO for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:50:58 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jan 2013 12:50:58 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.102]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 13:50:58 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19TLiR9OQdTanZ9AV3inuLfiwEabcIXwVI4ZrGxxf JU9aN6BRLSjery Message-ID: <5106742A.6030105@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:50:50 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4E65@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4E65@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:51:00 -0000 On 2013-01-28 13:38, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> You really should look at the HTTPbis drafts >> () > > OK, done. From section 7.6 (Server Error 5xx) of draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics: > > "Response status codes beginning with the digit "5" indicate cases in which the server is aware that it has erred _or is incapable of performing the request_." (Emphasis mine) > > and > > "These response codes are applicable to any request method." > > 7.6.2. 501 Not Implemented: > > "The server does not support the functionality required to fulfill the request. This is the appropriate response when the server does not recognize the request method and is not capable of supporting it for any resource." > > This certainly sounds like the search scenario described above. The server does not support the requested search functionality and is not capable of supporting it. Which 4xx response would be more appropriate? 400 or 405 seem to come closest, but this isn't a syntax error (400) and I don't understand how the server could return a list of valid methods as required for a 405 response. > > Scott > ... 400 isn't just for syntax errors; so if there's nothing more specific, you could use that. You could also have a look at 422. Best regards, Julian From shollenbeck@verisign.com Mon Jan 28 06:38:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1B021F84B6 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:38:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gsbL-1gfE0tL for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod6og124.obsmtp.com (exprod6og124.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.242]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F4E21F8499 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob124.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUQaNbPZzKv+vOMKyR0AVYUuQ4ol3JPLY@postini.com; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:38:39 PST Received: from BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexchm01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.255]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0SEcXDl005129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:38:33 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:38:23 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Julian Reschke Thread-Topic: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHN/UZPQcMM8DJdBEWxKKOb9mnfUJhepF9QgABWhgD//7GXIIAAWPwA///BoEA= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:38:21 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F509C@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4E65@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <5106742A.6030105@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <5106742A.6030105@gmx.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:38:40 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:51 AM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott > Cc: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap- > search-00.txt >=20 > On 2013-01-28 13:38, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > >> You really should look at the HTTPbis drafts > >> () > > > > OK, done. From section 7.6 (Server Error 5xx) of draft-ietf-httpbis- > p2-semantics: > > > > "Response status codes beginning with the digit "5" indicate cases in > > which the server is aware that it has erred _or is incapable of > > performing the request_." (Emphasis mine) > > > > and > > > > "These response codes are applicable to any request method." > > > > 7.6.2. 501 Not Implemented: > > > > "The server does not support the functionality required to fulfill > the request. This is the appropriate response when the server does not > recognize the request method and is not capable of supporting it for > any resource." > > > > This certainly sounds like the search scenario described above. The > server does not support the requested search functionality and is not > capable of supporting it. Which 4xx response would be more appropriate? > 400 or 405 seem to come closest, but this isn't a syntax error (400) > and I don't understand how the server could return a list of valid > methods as required for a 405 response. > > > > Scott > > ... >=20 > 400 isn't just for syntax errors; so if there's nothing more specific, > you could use that. You could also have a look at 422. For those following along 422 is described in RFC 4918: "The 422 (Unprocess= able Entity) status code means the server understands the content type of t= he request entity (hence a 415(Unsupported Media Type) status code is inapp= ropriate), and the syntax of the request entity is correct (thus a 400 (Bad= Request) status code is inappropriate) but was unable to process the conta= ined instructions." RDAP clients send "Accept: application/rdap". The server understands the co= ntent type, so perhaps 422 could work. Before I concede the point I'd like = to better understand the distinction you're making between 4xx and 5xx resp= onse codes. draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics again says this: o 4xx (Client Error): The request contains bad syntax or cannot be fulfill= ed o 5xx (Server Error): The server failed to fulfill an apparently valid req= uest So who made the error in this case? This isn't a case of server failure, it= 's a case of a client asking for an unsupported service. That sounds more l= ike a 4xx "cannot be fulfilled" than a 5xx "server failed to fulfill". Was = that your point? Andy, what's your take? 400, 422, 500, 501? With the clarifications in the = httpbis drafts I'm leaning more towards 400 or 422. Scott From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jan 28 06:45:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90D421F855A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:45:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.693 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.693 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.094, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HyjF6hiNDKnr for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEA621F84BC for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:45:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.31]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MN7As-1U6RfT0oDg-006i3A for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:45:51 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Jan 2013 14:45:50 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.102]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp031) with SMTP; 28 Jan 2013 15:45:50 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19ng6ppFWBnoyGUUScnzLgZcOsWIC3AaMRFZIAQ2n c0i+WhjXHTJQzZ Message-ID: <51068F14.1050309@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:45:40 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <510659C8.2010405@centralnic.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4D30@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <51066B4C.8050303@gmx.de> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4E65@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <5106742A.6030105@gmx.de> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F509C@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F509C@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:45:58 -0000 On 2013-01-28 15:38, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.reschke@gmx.de] >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:51 AM >> To: Hollenbeck, Scott >> Cc: weirds@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap- >> search-00.txt >> >> On 2013-01-28 13:38, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >>>> You really should look at the HTTPbis drafts >>>> () >>> >>> OK, done. From section 7.6 (Server Error 5xx) of draft-ietf-httpbis- >> p2-semantics: >>> >>> "Response status codes beginning with the digit "5" indicate cases in >>> which the server is aware that it has erred _or is incapable of >>> performing the request_." (Emphasis mine) >>> >>> and >>> >>> "These response codes are applicable to any request method." >>> >>> 7.6.2. 501 Not Implemented: >>> >>> "The server does not support the functionality required to fulfill >> the request. This is the appropriate response when the server does not >> recognize the request method and is not capable of supporting it for >> any resource." >>> >>> This certainly sounds like the search scenario described above. The >> server does not support the requested search functionality and is not >> capable of supporting it. Which 4xx response would be more appropriate? >> 400 or 405 seem to come closest, but this isn't a syntax error (400) >> and I don't understand how the server could return a list of valid >> methods as required for a 405 response. >>> >>> Scott >>> ... >> >> 400 isn't just for syntax errors; so if there's nothing more specific, >> you could use that. You could also have a look at 422. > > For those following along 422 is described in RFC 4918: "The 422 (Unprocessable Entity) status code means the server understands the content type of the request entity (hence a 415(Unsupported Media Type) status code is inappropriate), and the syntax of the request entity is correct (thus a 400 (Bad Request) status code is inappropriate) but was unable to process the contained instructions." > > RDAP clients send "Accept: application/rdap". The server understands the content type, so perhaps 422 could work. Before I concede the point I'd like to better understand the distinction you're making between 4xx and 5xx response codes. draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics again says this: > > o 4xx (Client Error): The request contains bad syntax or cannot be fulfilled > > o 5xx (Server Error): The server failed to fulfill an apparently valid request > > So who made the error in this case? This isn't a case of server failure, it's a case of a client asking for an unsupported service. That sounds more like a 4xx "cannot be fulfilled" than a 5xx "server failed to fulfill". Was that your point? Yes! > ... Best regards, Julian From andy@arin.net Mon Jan 28 09:55:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CCD21F8915 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:55:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZJqPTWnBz-Th for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C39E21F87E0 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id B0C9A165103; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (chaxch06.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.95]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF2C165000; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.18) by CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.95) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:55:38 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.209]) by CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Mon, 28 Jan 2013 12:55:41 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" , Julian Reschke Thread-Topic: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHN/WU6rsXOvOdli0av9jRy9rNbz5hfBpCA Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:55:38 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE6FC8@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F509C@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <621BE84D7A31944A807EB8A4CF0E94F0@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:55:53 -0000 On 1/28/13 9:38 AM, "Hollenbeck, Scott" wrote: >So who made the error in this case? This isn't a case of server failure, >it's a case of a client asking for an unsupported service. That sounds >more like a 4xx "cannot be fulfilled" than a 5xx "server failed to >fulfill". Was that your point? > >Andy, what's your take? 400, 422, 500, 501? With the clarifications in >the httpbis drafts I'm leaning more towards 400 or 422. I'm of the same opinion. 422 sounds the most right. Though it would be nice if the httpbis draft were clearer about this point. -andy From edainow@afilias.info Wed Jan 30 12:06:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1924E21F876E for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:06:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CvbCyIO+W9jB for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7467521F8722 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U0dvg-0004Fs-5u for weirds@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:06:44 +0000 Received: from mail-wg0-f69.google.com ([74.125.82.69]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U0dvg-0006cL-5T for weirds@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:06:44 +0000 Received: by mail-wg0-f69.google.com with SMTP id fn15so2184220wgb.0 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=7E+hXNfaFzWPeK7pQPwCiz5FdEXB+AeakuiVaJM/NLQ=; b=fbbAYFA8LOmtfoyu2YyzFaKxttXQTOKbdYkP3/hs+Vjrgm16218HubJ2HXxRvwk4w4 pKamW1AK3mrk4BbtTmjtaXLyFw9oNFKTc0guawMPHby0wsTCsMwXuO0o541SZk3xSsK0 I9+TZ8Z3BjxDXDeGe724DW0LWAdMEl0bcbMEjr7gdpFBKhp/bu5lpXXl1pt9E+9IcuQn 0RGUec3nt3NLzd3vzMdynogsrGSxBT1GIU5GinSAO4QGE2XTdcrSpO24zXbvbd2zJo6q wt7YnCJNdIq169Lhw2yBpcN0mCqvtvXmF+D549yzB3mDz+r4VntWRUiZK7Dfb1sBljzC dcmA== X-Received: by 10.152.125.239 with SMTP id mt15mr5698024lab.26.1359576398488; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.125.239 with SMTP id mt15mr5698009lab.26.1359576398210; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.89.20 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:06:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:06:38 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ernie Dainow To: weirds@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426b6642a68804d4870c31 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlXmTRSQ8Gb//JeYEHozdq8hGdP0fTG/3q5+4MHYpN/iAARAkyoO8sBgGHy8mGPgGzmAPFXBpCQKpeMIoyPLx7q6pE7pZHRrax63Za8ZK+xk8CugRYY1EonoB/OTcDhAPLP0gwS Subject: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:06:47 -0000 --f46d04426b6642a68804d4870c31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 An RDAP user, whether an end user or a developer of a client application, may have a number of questions about the service. If they have the RDAP url, it would be nice to make it easy to find documentation for the service to answer questions such as: - What objects the server supports, for example domains for what TLDs - Description of any custom names. While the specification suggests using "meaningful" names, self-documenting systems often need supplementary explanations for the full context to be properly understood. - Whether authentication is required or not and how to request authentication credentials. - What search options are supported. - Typical "release notes" that may cover limitations, fixes or version differences. Without any standards direction, documentation may or may not be provided and will likely be a url that requires prior knowledge or guessing. It would be useful to specify a standard way to get documentation about a service. I suggest a help (or about or readme) object be added to the RDAP query/response specifications. -Ernie --f46d04426b6642a68804d4870c31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An RDAP user, whether an end user or a developer of a client applicati= on, may have a number of questions about the service. If they have the RDAP= url, it would be nice to make it easy to find documentation for the servic= e to answer questions such as:

- What objects the server supports, for example domains = for what TLDs
- Description of any custom names. While the specification suggests us= ing "meaningful" names, self-docume= nting systems often need supplementary explanations for the full context to= be properly understood.
- Whether authentication is required or = not and how to request authentication credentials.
- What search options are supported.
- Typical "release notes" that may = cover limitations, fixes or version differences.

Without any standa= rds direction, documentation may or may not be provided and will likely be = a url that requires prior knowledge or guessing. It would be useful to spec= ify a standard way to get documentation about a service. I suggest=A0a help (or about or readme) object be added to the = RDAP query/response specifications.

-Ernie
--f46d04426b6642a68804d4870c31-- From johnl@iecc.com Wed Jan 30 13:51:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186F021F883C for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:51:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.302, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C58sY+sHgZZI for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA85021F8804 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:51:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 75673 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2013 21:51:30 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2013 21:51:30 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=510995e1.xn--9vv.k1301; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=h0Td5dpzwgNt/087hjikmAXaFrK1pgOybtmyDwk2IN4=; b=qqNymdCB5LJXHzw+ZJMOaoZF5st63j2/OcHG/hGxbJU3kxIyWOaowl+mt15nipFvxI93OFCsTk0zJZ+4jZE6ehJfzDRCJ1bmQe9HKztLaP8zOOOOvALkVu55S7aI8uAmegHdOviNHJ+SjVvyYH8AprgWWQ+imq9aG2r8xJyc4ME= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=510995e1.xn--9vv.k1301; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=h0Td5dpzwgNt/087hjikmAXaFrK1pgOybtmyDwk2IN4=; b=KtuNgmv9GKzvAvjy512rZa5BiBnQeSRQ+4FRf3aqfPSFLAz/t7fPd+i++ImpqSqEzRLa0cYJEk4jInBPr9HraWqQBr5yjRX+TEI2eq5P1R5nOFd6GqTeyzVGL6sQlAcDWvlXe2aImjGrq5cpyJ8W6jaH6y2D/xWpFzddaijsa9U= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 30 Jan 2013 21:51:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20130130215107.39942.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:51:37 -0000 >It would be useful to specify a standard way to get documentation about a >service. I suggest a help (or about or readme) object be added to the RDAP >query/response specifications. I can read this in two ways: A) something like a well known url of /README that returns a page of documentation intended to be read by people, with no structure beyond a suggestion that it would be nice if it were HTML that the usual browsers could render. B) service discovery, in which the the response is intended to be interpreted by client software so it can configure itself. Option A is a fine idea, at worst harmless. Option B is a swamp, leading to things like URL templates that we've already considered and rejected. R's, John From aservin@lacnic.net Wed Jan 30 14:01:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E0321F8864 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:01:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.845 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.845 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.755, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HOST_EQ_DIALUP=0.862, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GMj1ZmAJQf8K for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A08021F8780 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.133] (r186-48-193-171.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [186.48.193.171]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6403308432 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:00:49 -0200 (UYST) Message-ID: <51099815.6030807@lacnic.net> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 20:00:53 -0200 From: Arturo Servin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <20130130215107.39942.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20130130215107.39942.qmail@joyce.lan> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: aservin@lacnic.net Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:01:04 -0000 I would vote for 1. /as On 30/01/2013 19:51, John Levine wrote: >> It would be useful to specify a standard way to get documentation about a >> service. I suggest a help (or about or readme) object be added to the RDAP >> query/response specifications. > > I can read this in two ways: > > A) something like a well known url of /README that returns a page of > documentation intended to be read by people, with no structure beyond > a suggestion that it would be nice if it were HTML that the usual > browsers could render. > > B) service discovery, in which the the response is intended to be > interpreted by client software so it can configure itself. > > Option A is a fine idea, at worst harmless. Option B is a swamp, > leading to things like URL templates that we've already considered and > rejected. > > R's, > John > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > From shollenbeck@verisign.com Thu Jan 31 04:04:35 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4327621F854F for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:04:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.450, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8jnp-qoU6d3 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod6og109.obsmtp.com (exprod6og109.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA0C21F8652 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob109.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUQpdzu6MsqWBs7tXly2F6p3/SZ4ZL7Wd@postini.com; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:04:34 PST Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r0VC4Rlf009429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:04:27 -0500 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:03:57 -0500 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: John Levine , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] help Thread-Index: AQHN/yU+9ffhPiAFskmVsNQ7mzxtVphivVeAgACaKQA= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:04:12 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F68C4@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <20130130215107.39942.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20130130215107.39942.qmail@joyce.lan> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 12:04:35 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of John Levine > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 4:51 PM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] help >=20 > >It would be useful to specify a standard way to get documentation > about a > >service. I suggest a help (or about or readme) object be added to the > RDAP > >query/response specifications. >=20 > I can read this in two ways: >=20 > A) something like a well known url of /README that returns a page of > documentation intended to be read by people, with no structure beyond > a suggestion that it would be nice if it were HTML that the usual > browsers could render. I mildly prefer /help to /readme. This seems like a good idea that can be a= dded to the query and response drafts; I'll take it up with Andy. Thanks fo= r the suggestion. Scott From andy@arin.net Thu Jan 31 07:16:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E1221F84E8 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:16:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ytmCXPGHeorW for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp2.arin.net (smtp2.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EF221F8598 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:16:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 6F95921367E; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (chaxch06.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.95]) by smtp2.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF59E213623; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.18) by CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.95) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:16:21 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.209]) by CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:16:39 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: John Levine , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] help Thread-Index: AQHN/yVXgFevBTQie06p/bwbzsClcJhivVeAgADQSQA= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:16:37 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE7C19@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <20130130215107.39942.qmail@joyce.lan> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:16:41 -0000 On 1/30/13 4:51 PM, "John Levine" wrote: >I can read this in two ways: > >A) something like a well known url of /README that returns a page of >documentation intended to be read by people, with no structure beyond >a suggestion that it would be nice if it were HTML that the usual >browsers could render. > >B) service discovery, in which the the response is intended to be >interpreted by client software so it can configure itself. I don't think either is necessary. We already accommodate link relations as defined RFC 5988. The IANA registry for link relations, found here http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xml , already lists "help" along with other relations which might also be appropriate. Therefore I think no new protocol scaffolding is required to meet this need. However, we can update our draft to reflect an example of using the link relationship for pointing to help. -andy From warren@kumari.net Thu Jan 31 07:54:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95CA21F8561 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.666 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.666 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A9Jcj6ni3ObP for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (smtp1.kumari.net [204.194.22.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E2A21F8558 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.187] (unknown [64.13.52.115]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D2331B40706; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:54:26 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE7C19@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:54:25 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE7C19@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> To: Andy Newton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: John Levine , "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:54:34 -0000 On Jan 31, 2013, at 10:16 AM, Andy Newton wrote: > On 1/30/13 4:51 PM, "John Levine" wrote: > >> I can read this in two ways: >> >> A) something like a well known url of /README that returns a page of >> documentation intended to be read by people, with no structure beyond >> a suggestion that it would be nice if it were HTML that the usual >> browsers could render. >> >> B) service discovery, in which the the response is intended to be >> interpreted by client software so it can configure itself. > > I don't think either is necessary. > > We already accommodate link relations as defined RFC 5988. The IANA > registry for link relations, found here > http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xml , > already lists "help" along with other relations which might also be > appropriate. > > Therefore I think no new protocol scaffolding is required to meet this > need. However, we can update our draft to reflect an example of using the > link relationship for pointing to help. And possibly a note that implementations SHOULD (or should) support "help"? W > > -andy > > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds > -- "Real children don't go hoppity-skip unless they are on drugs." -- Susan, the ultimate sensible governess (Terry Pratchett, Hogfather) From andy@arin.net Thu Jan 31 08:07:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05F921F8561 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:07:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UHVScopxpV6f for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E83F521F8558 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id D16421652FE; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (chaxch06.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.95]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A86E1652F6; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.18) by CHAXCH06.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.95) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:07:18 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.209]) by CHAXCH03.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.17]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:07:35 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Warren Kumari Thread-Topic: [weirds] help Thread-Index: AQHN/yVXgFevBTQie06p/bwbzsClcJhivVeAgADQSQCAAF5jgP//r9gA Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:07:34 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE7C65@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8EE8BB3E8A023E47A1D61D112C37188D@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: John Levine , "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:07:53 -0000 On 1/31/13 10:54 AM, "Warren Kumari" wrote: >And possibly a note that implementations SHOULD (or should) support >"help"? Wouldn't that be an inappropriate use of 2119 language? Not supporting a help linkage won't break interoperability of RDAP. Suggesting a SHOULD indicates that RDAP interoperability might be in question should a help linkage not be offered. -andy From warren@kumari.net Thu Jan 31 08:26:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241B421F868E for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:26:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.656 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.656 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XVpNnAg1ffj0 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from vimes.kumari.net (smtp1.kumari.net [204.194.22.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EF421F844A for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.187] (unknown [64.13.52.115]) by vimes.kumari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53EE81B40090; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:26:55 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Warren Kumari In-Reply-To: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE7C65@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:26:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <737EE310-F261-4DEE-B460-20351473CA39@kumari.net> References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE7C65@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> To: Andy Newton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: John Levine , "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:26:59 -0000 On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Andy Newton wrote: > On 1/31/13 10:54 AM, "Warren Kumari" wrote: >=20 >> And possibly a note that implementations SHOULD (or should) support >> "help"? >=20 > Wouldn't that be an inappropriate use of 2119 language? Not supporting = a > help linkage won't break interoperability of RDAP. Suggesting a SHOULD > indicates that RDAP interoperability might be in question should a = help > linkage not be offered. >=20 Fine -- so a "should" or a "recommend" or a "pretty please do this"=85=20= I don't really care how, but encouraging implementations to support it = would be good=85 W > -andy >=20 -- Life is a concentration camp. You're stuck here and there's no way out = and you can only rage impotently against your persecutors. -- Woody Allen From andy@arin.net Thu Jan 31 08:36:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609E421F84B6 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D0j4sviWnOZD for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9689621F8901 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 40564165305; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (chaxch05.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.94]) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73281652FE; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.19) by CHAXCH05.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.94) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.2.328.9; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:35:36 -0500 Received: from CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net ([169.254.1.209]) by CHAXCH04.corp.arin.net ([10.1.30.19]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:35:52 -0500 From: Andy Newton To: Warren Kumari Thread-Topic: [weirds] help Thread-Index: AQHN/yVXgFevBTQie06p/bwbzsClcJhivVeAgADQSQCAAF5jgP//r9gAgABZOwD//66qgA== Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:35:50 +0000 Message-ID: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBE7CE0@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <737EE310-F261-4DEE-B460-20351473CA39@kumari.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.5.121010 x-originating-ip: [10.1.1.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <9A7CA0E3F8859F49A0A521CD6550E0DB@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: John Levine , "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] help X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:36:06 -0000 On 1/31/13 11:26 AM, "Warren Kumari" wrote: >Fine -- so a "should" or a "recommend" or a "pretty please do this"=8A > >I don't really care how, but encouraging implementations to support it >would be good=8A That works for me. If somebody would be willing to flesh out an outline or some points that implementers might want to put in this help, I would imagine that would go a long way to providing the proper context for implementers to understand why providing this information is such a good idea. -andy From zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn Thu Jan 31 22:18:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E880C21F886C for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:18:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gUwQ1UUsU2tn for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (unknown [218.241.105.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A33C21F8869 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown127.0.0.1 (HELO lenovo95e6383c) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Fri, 01 Feb 2013 14:17:40 +0800 From: "Linlin Zhou" To: "'Hollenbeck, Scott'" , References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F0D6F4473@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:17:40 +0800 Message-ID: <00e901ce0043$d6bc0c20$84342460$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AQHN+wxM/1rE+Kl0N0m2r/e0WjrGgJhaIuuggAprSHA= Content-Language: zh-cn Subject: Re: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:18:04 -0000 Thanks Scott. I have two questions. 1. Since there are 5 types of queries defined in the query draft, such as IP, AS number, domain, name server and entity. Are there any other types of search except domain and entity? 2. Do you take any consideration about the combination of search parameters and Boolean search function described in AGB? Regards, Linlin > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Hollenbeck, Scott > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:02 PM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: [weirds] FW: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt > > This draft should be of interest to working group members. This is a first attempt > by me and Andy to document a search specification. The i18n considerations > section is essentially blank right now. We are looking for discussion on the > approach and suggestions for the i18n section. > > Note that this approach means that I also need to update the query draft WRT > IDNs. It currently says a-labels only", but to make it consistent with this search > spec we should also allow u-labels. > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:58 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > Title : Registration Data Access Protocol Search Processing > Author(s) : Scott Hollenbeck > Andrew Lee Newton > Filename : draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00.txt > Pages : 8 > Date : 2013-01-25 > > Abstract: > This document describes path segments and query parameters needed to > construct HTTP URLs that may be used to search for and retrieve > registration information from registries (including both Regional > Internet Registries (RIRs) and Domain Name Registries (DNRs)) using > "RESTful" web access patterns. It also describes a method of > encoding responses using Javascript Object Notation (JSON). > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hollenbeck-weirds-rdap-search-00 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > _______________________________________________ > weirds mailing list > weirds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds