From nobody Tue Jul 1 11:35:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F7C1A02D9 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:35:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PwS8EYjI7IFM for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53BC81A03C9 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id cc10so8283511wib.6 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 11:35:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=x171GlQVPBwvGttECbzuDf6ZvT7cyfECxOlsYO1reoE=; b=x5EufNdZJseyfmX3aWCb5jdlNgExlISI+cYNeSvwWaM2EfXwgljbLxR/UK3NfRgeOY yPhEqBmXhk89Azc7QVIr9aH4UnaMTiWVwwI5gylr+7nK1BLSbnTeejQxtDa14RR4krpd rKz2dEkzGC3Vct27Q3f/fVjZaTb6MvKuSF33XaE5YQ1tDb2WZarNll0gBQnuSYmcR6Jp kHyfMRlaLZJO8k5rNFf2nRpfukcTwFiJ/gQ49hR2QN3N0afbxPGuFDc+9UBb8gDSfNlE tNd0hbrkRpwJI8XSWSPpGWivNumYPyY4nz2/OaXvoZOhKcMpseMDGLU8z8IV/v3ukIIl oV9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.243.104 with SMTP id wx8mr53377374wjc.32.1404239714893; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 11:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.19.74 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:35:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:35:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e014940f062c8db04fd2609b7 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/MeK_868eLhF5pdPIZdbrG7z-7Ao Subject: Re: [weirds] Draft cutoff coming up X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:35:18 -0000 --089e014940f062c8db04fd2609b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Second reminder; three days to the cutoff. On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Just a friendly reminder: > > If you have any document edits made but not posted, or plan to make some, > the cutoff for document submission prior to the Toronto meeting is July 4th. > > Submit early, submit often. > > -MSK > --089e014940f062c8db04fd2609b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Second reminder; three days to the cutoff.


On Sun, Jun 22, 201= 4 at 10:21 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> w= rote:
Just a friendly remind= er:

If you have any document edits made but not posted, or plan to m= ake some, the cutoff for document submission prior to the Toronto meeting i= s July 4th.

Submit early, submit often.

-MSK=

--089e014940f062c8db04fd2609b7-- From nobody Tue Jul 1 15:31:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF4C1A03FD for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:31:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IC6lyrHXmAF8 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75E9A1A0ABC for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f43.google.com with SMTP id k14so1493161wgh.14 for ; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 15:31:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tn22ilEljiTmm7s1hTstUqDzUC5tWpl0UkQe4aQc9DQ=; b=bueDQqMT6bTs0bErxszwLpgCR5EbfCS5owYvsUK+nba59vyLGAJIuA9eNL/H/xEI07 WhaD/mRVkxzjb3GdwLIeEHAj5PDu45Mj0+TAhTmFGisXwse0PY1VC5JR1EUD5vfGXS6y VSfI4hJpXF96wpu36A5PR2EfnFVk/yS78ygjLa+1+U4tbznTtFSyzzRriyIDSSow1HFy rtgGrmqEGyDiHImfWbLdTQNrZbP46yWdgd/ZOTbsM4FTxBhm5mwF2Cp4h3aB+DpfhmlU mpj55dxGocsjpJLgahkhCQ78wrDytV967tTj6pZ1nRrLkMKuEfj8MMcTJPb6XuLVmen5 RxEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.38.65 with SMTP id e1mr40220358wik.79.1404253884974; Tue, 01 Jul 2014 15:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.19.74 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:31:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140701190543.12535.86367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20140701190543.12535.86367.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 15:31:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f64333afd0e5c04fd295519 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/pLWhVmpQovYFRxx-G6DYspnX3nw Subject: [weirds] Fwd: IETF 90 Final Agenda X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 22:31:28 -0000 --e89a8f64333afd0e5c04fd295519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 We're on at 9am in room "Manitoba" on Wednesday. See you all there! -MSK ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: IETF Agenda Date: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 12:05 PM Subject: IETF 90 Final Agenda To: IETF Announcement List Cc: ietf@ietf.org 90th IETF Meeting - Toronto, ON, Canada July 20 - 25, 2014 The final agenda is now available. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.html https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda.txt While this is considered the final agenda for printing, changes may be made to the agenda up until and during the meeting. Updates will be reflected on the web version of the agenda. Information about the 90th IETF meeting in Toronto, ON, Canada can be found here: https://www.ietf.org/meeting/90/index.html Thank you and see you in Toronto! Sincerely, The IETF Secretariat --e89a8f64333afd0e5c04fd295519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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90th IETF Meeting - Toronto, ON, Canada
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/agenda= .html
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While this is considered the final agenda for printing, changes may be made= to the agenda up until and during the meeting. Updates will be reflected o= n the web version of the agenda.

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Thank you and see you in Toronto!

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--e89a8f64333afd0e5c04fd295519-- From nobody Fri Jul 4 08:04:09 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7AC1B2A6F for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:04:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0zYgmXVURMB for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22701A0165 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 4CDF9165341; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chaedge01.corp.arin.net (chaedge01.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BE9165246 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CHACAS01.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.107) by chaedge01.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.118) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.181.6; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:03:44 -0400 Received: from CHAMBX01.corp.arin.net ([fe80::1cef:1d7:cca9:5953]) by CHACAS01.corp.arin.net ([fe80::a98b:1e52:e85a:5979%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:04:04 -0400 From: Andy Newton To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-newton-weirds-route-policy-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHPl5i2Rv/eKNCeIkuOLBIQ/5wVBQ== Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 15:04:03 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140704150033.2420.96037.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.149.252.96] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F42979BAA6AE46539728C34B3F5DD81Barinnet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/h20ye1FvLE18v5xfyT3vjoHUUIo Subject: [weirds] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-newton-weirds-route-policy-00.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 15:04:08 -0000 --_000_F42979BAA6AE46539728C34B3F5DD81Barinnet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, Here is a draft on putting IRR data in RDAP. Note that it is only a startin= g point for discussion. Unlike RIR and DNR data, I think IRR work in RDAP w= ill be more in depth and has many more issues to sort through. -andy Begin forwarded message: From: > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-newton-weirds-route-policy-00.t= xt Date: July 4, 2014 at 11:00:33 AM EDT To: Andrew Lee Newton >, Job Snijders <= job@instituut.net>, Johan Aehlen >, Andrew Newton >, "Carlos M. Martinez" >, Ca= rlos M.Martinez >, "Job Snijder= s" >, Johan Aehlen > A new version of I-D, draft-newton-weirds-route-policy-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Andrew Lee Newton and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-newton-weirds-route-policy Revision: 00 Title: Route Policy Extensions for RDAP Document date: 2014-07-03 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-newton-weirds-rou= te-policy-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-newton-weirds-route-= policy/ Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-newton-weirds-route-policy= -00 Abstract: This document describes extensions to the RDAP JSON data model to express route policy. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --_000_F42979BAA6AE46539728C34B3F5DD81Barinnet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3577030FD6F72F43889563D57119E084@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All,

Here is a draft on putting IRR data in RDAP. Note that it is only a st= arting point for discussion. Unlike RIR and DNR data, I think IRR work in R= DAP will be more in depth and has many more issues to sort through.

-andy

Begin forwarded message:

Subje= ct: New Version Notification= for draft-newton-weirds-route-policy-00.txt
Date:= July 4, 2014 at 11:00:= 33 AM EDT
To: <= /b>Andrew Lee Newton <andy@arin.net>, Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>, Johan Aehlen <jahlen@ripe.net>= ;, Andrew Newton <andy@arin.net>= , "Carlos M. Martinez" <c= arlos@lacnic.net>, Carlos M.Martinez <carlos@lacnic.net>, "Job Snijders" <job@inst= ituut.net>, Johan Aehlen <jahl= en@ripe.net>


A new version of I-D, draft-newton-weirds-route-policy-00.txt
has been successfully submitted by Andrew Lee Newton and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: draft-newton-wei= rds-route-policy
Revision: 0= 0
Title: Route Policy Ex= tensions for RDAP
Document date: 2014-07-03
Group: Individual Subm= ission
Pages: 11
URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-newton-weirds-route-poli= cy-00.txt
Status:         https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-newton-weirds-route-policy/
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-newton-weirds-route-policy-00


Abstract:
  This document describes extensions to the RDAP JSON data model = to
  express route policy.




Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat


--_000_F42979BAA6AE46539728C34B3F5DD81Barinnet_-- From nobody Fri Jul 4 12:40:02 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F671B2F1B; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V63rlF6zdSEg; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD2C1B29E1; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140704193956.24033.49553.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:39:56 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/B1e_QQ_jbxgqPzyVbxzugsG9X0k Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 19:39:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Web Extensible Internet Registration Data Service Working Group of the IETF. Title : Finding the Authoritative Registration Data (RDAP) Service Authors : Marc Blanchet Guillaume Leclanche Filename : draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2014-07-03 Abstract: This document specifies a method to find which Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) server is authoritative to answer queries for a requested scope, such as domain names, IP addresses or Autonomous System numbers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jul 4 13:09:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630751B2F3A for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.828 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.828 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5_pYy08qED-B for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jazz.viagenie.ca (jazz.viagenie.ca [IPv6:2620:0:230:8000::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B7F1B2B05 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:8418:fe49:a2f4:5e02] (unknown [IPv6:2620:0:230:c000:8418:fe49:a2f4:5e02]) by jazz.viagenie.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6174840413 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53B709E5.6000209@viagenie.ca> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 16:09:09 -0400 From: Guillaume Leclanche User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "IETF weirds" References: <20140704193956.24033.28807.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140704193956.24033.28807.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20140704193956.24033.28807.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/herEJUuKYbCYR1eBJxwyWEbRGdU Subject: [weirds] Bootstrap: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 20:09:36 -0000 Hello,

We have submitted a new version of the bootstrap draft, which includes and compiels all the comments done since version -02.

draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04
diff with v2: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-02.txt&url2=draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04.txt

In details:
- Remove {resource}: The "resource" (i.e., the segment from the query draft) will always be placed at the end, so it's redundant to put {resource} in the registry.
- No longer using objects with arrays as keys. Everything is an array.
- Removed "Should try in order" the different URL proposed for a segment, as the registry will more likely want to do a round robin, or the client may want to select one scheme in particular (https over http). However it's likely that some implementations will anyway implement this as "try first URL first"
- JSON validates json-lint

Guillaume

-------- Message original --------
Sujet: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04.txt
Date : Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:39:56 -0700
De : internet-drafts@ietf.org
Pour : Guillaume Leclanche <guillaume.leclanche@viagenie.ca>, "Marc Blanchet" <Marc.Blanchet@viagenie.ca> 


A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04.txt
has been successfully submitted by Guillaume Leclanche and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:		draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap
Revision:	04
Title:		Finding the Authoritative Registration Data (RDAP) Service
Document date:	2014-07-03
Group:		weirds
Pages:		13
URL:            http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap/
Htmlized:       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04
Diff:           http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04

Abstract:
   This document specifies a method to find which Registration Data
   Access Protocol (RDAP) server is authoritative to answer queries for
   a requested scope, such as domain names, IP addresses or Autonomous
   System numbers.

                                                                                  


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From nobody Fri Jul 4 13:23:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7181B2F68; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f6xf58MB0nbG; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871711B2F52; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.0.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140704202332.28985.8035.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:23:32 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/ibrljgCyZBjjytrolHoE7PqspC8 Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-redirects-04.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 20:23:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Web Extensible Internet Registration Data Service Working Group of the IETF. Title : Redirection Service for Registration Data Access Protocol Authors : Carlos M. Martinez Linlin Zhou Gerardo Rada Filename : draft-ietf-weirds-redirects-04.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2014-07-04 Abstract: The traditional WHOIS protocol has several important shortcomings, and over the past few years several approaches to a better Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) have been discussed and proposed. It is worth noting that the term WHOIS is sometimes used interchangeably to mean either (a) the registration data itself or (b) the protocol used to access registration data Among these shortcomings, different registries operate different WHOIS services. For users this means that several WHOIS queries to different registries may be necessary in order to obtain data for a given resource. This document describes a redirection service for RDAP queries. This service allows clients to query a single RDAP service and expect either an authoritative answer or a redirection hint pointing to another, possibly authoritative, RDAP server. The solution implemented proposed here applies to Regional Internet Registries(RIRs) and Domain Name Registries(DNRs). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-redirects/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-redirects-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-weirds-redirects-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Jul 5 10:36:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2D91B278B for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 10:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.762 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.762 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85zhxEGn1ynB for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5CA5C1A0334 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 2014 10:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21390 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2014 17:36:35 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2014 17:36:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=bcfe.53b837a3.k1406; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=wJEEYr9ykC46aMCOt29Xl7nyRzxAKHBSaZFPw5myxF8=; b=h2t02I3sbf4mzrA2nh5TuznQyzHXXJjk+TPkve0XI0D8hMa/eBEFgPeXl6JxCx/oiGQAgEw40KPzI7lx37L8dhVHoneOo2GoQUfnqES1MZwksPn2N2RLM9V9bzqBTtcKtcv3nVUXsgBIk3tQZUXgwx8EjXDwfNnVkA06aN4cHMVTDig//6xS+5BnYjNtGQqrs8AdSPbn99bWDRLYpejJwsPp6MpWi8o8x/Z9mrQrOMyvctsnx80aWzxZ2G+5fMy2 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=bcfe.53b837a3.k1406; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=wJEEYr9ykC46aMCOt29Xl7nyRzxAKHBSaZFPw5myxF8=; b=hVdnZsj8sPESNQdS2Od+7fbEBgK6rEQmpQzqxmnQgulT2RF067ezlTJCHS7iLYQXwSfbneC5OataMwyLxo9CsY+lVlCwBXhXSXzlKXr7c4sCJG8GNHL+anSNTjdJYLf9uDmubFnbNiBJZQD7QsG6MvTKCq9g91wwMaYCEKpcSYNM5kP/+7CrvZozgP9JymVt6VuUSES2DFtP4woepVrouekL55rTS37er2Mat69xtxtkK3z4mDYOxbhFMVsRgYdq Date: 5 Jul 2014 17:36:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20140705173612.48381.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <53B709E5.6000209@viagenie.ca> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/JMFATQ_6tzc5VxY-fXBOZzvWphQ Subject: Re: [weirds] Bootstrap: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 17:36:37 -0000 In article <53B709E5.6000209@viagenie.ca> you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- >Hello, > >We have submitted a new version of the bootstrap draft, which includes and compiels all the comments done since version -02. Thanks, this addresses my concerns. In case it's not clear to people reading it, this draft assumes a revised rdap-query draft that removes the prefix http://example.com/.well-known/rdap from all the examples, since the prefix now comes from the bootstrap. R's, John From nobody Mon Jul 7 04:00:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0ED1B2813 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 04:00:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IaoAM4Eavtf5 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 04:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og113.obsmtp.com (exprod6og113.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D4211B281A for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 04:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob113.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKU7p94NUHWiQj+X6K0zqFmFPLwVaHfkwX@postini.com; Mon, 07 Jul 2014 04:00:48 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id s67B0lsG032203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 07:00:47 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 7 Jul 2014 07:00:46 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] Bootstrap: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 Thread-Index: AQHPl8Pvjv0EhqHHpEWYQRM6xyQwFJuSAsAAgAJyjtA= Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:00:45 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944679B@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <53B709E5.6000209@viagenie.ca> <20140705173612.48381.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20140705173612.48381.qmail@joyce.lan> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/4BnJ6SoXwfhshAOlSNZSvLjeDsc Subject: Re: [weirds] Bootstrap: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:00:50 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Levine > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 1:36 PM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] Bootstrap: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 >=20 > In article <53B709E5.6000209@viagenie.ca> you write: > >-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > >Hello, > > > >We have submitted a new version of the bootstrap draft, which includes > and compiels all the comments done since version -02. >=20 > Thanks, this addresses my concerns. >=20 > In case it's not clear to people reading it, this draft assumes a > revised rdap-query draft that removes the prefix >=20 > http://example.com/.well-known/rdap >=20 > from all the examples, since the prefix now comes from the bootstrap. ... and I plan to update the query draft once we have agreement on the text= in the bootstrap draft. Since we're now past the cutoff date it will be po= st-Toronto. Scott From nobody Fri Jul 11 09:31:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0721A0AAB for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:30:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kb4lzwUiYyKP for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com (mail-wg0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18D581B2BAC for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id k14so648344wgh.32 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:30:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZrpEyBMNA16wWsbHZIieCjVHnI8l4VfYCT9I0OKDXAU=; b=ubtiWuPj8NhEL6uagaixeCXXvjT85bsLfzKfExxKtkY1Xs4s0b5GB2bhx2eQRVJ7s2 sJmFuj5vJEd05g/WwLNMA+A+jOwv7tP+uEAiIUjxB+7lrZwNg9o0IsI3km8/DMP/f4k6 3kSgnAfh+G+sX0G5nd9aiw6NLWpQa4CjVP8p/P6BUWOL5DzIqv3QEjjIy9amv0drFsFB Gl4OqAuEVxAngw9pUiQstXblQv8ob0Y/07rbmFD5dzuMbLK5IwjVevLUEivCJ2Zx9oEL vJpzGU/K9BVC+9Uwr2tjXcBoVXhLojU0bzTXcRRo7+DnA1X11Surh5WMdluZjD5An0+A sgqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.7.36 with SMTP id g4mr67101161wja.37.1405096237587; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.10.99 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140710230901.4CA0718047C@rfc-editor.org> References: <20140710230901.4CA0718047C@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:30:37 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b450a7c1de35504fded76d8 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/6HjPLQL04-09Hsg16AkNWyY_3QY Subject: [weirds] Fwd: BCP 190, RFC 7320 on URI Design and Ownership X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:30:59 -0000 --047d7b450a7c1de35504fded76d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 FYI, this is now a BCP. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM Subject: BCP 190, RFC 7320 on URI Design and Ownership To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org Cc: drafts-update-ref@iana.org, apps-discuss@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. BCP 190 RFC 7320 Title: URI Design and Ownership Author: M. Nottingham Status: Best Current Practice Stream: IETF Date: July 2014 Mailbox: mnot@mnot.net Pages: 9 Characters: 18275 Updates: RFC 3986 See Also: BCP 190 I-D Tag: draft-ietf-appsawg-uri-get-off-my-lawn-05.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7320.txt Section 1.1.1 of RFC 3986 defines URI syntax as "a federated and extensible naming system wherein each scheme's specification may further restrict the syntax and semantics of identifiers using that scheme." In other words, the structure of a URI is defined by its scheme. While it is common for schemes to further delegate their substructure to the URI's owner, publishing independent standards that mandate particular forms of URI substructure is inappropriate, because that essentially usurps ownership. This document further describes this problematic practice and provides some acceptable alternatives for use in standards. 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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BCP 190
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 RFC 7320

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0URI Design and Owner= ship
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 M. Nottingham
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Status: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Best Current Practice
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stream: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IETF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 July 2014
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mailbox: =C2=A0 =C2=A0mnot@mnot.net
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A09
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Characters: 18275
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Updates: =C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC 3986
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 See Also: =C2=A0 BCP 190

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I-D Tag: =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-appsawg-uri-ge= t-off-my-lawn-05.txt

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 URL: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.rfc-edi= tor.org/rfc/rfc7320.txt

Section 1.1.1 of RFC 3986 defines URI syntax as "a federated and
extensible naming system wherein each scheme's specification may
further restrict the syntax and semantics of identifiers using that
scheme." =C2=A0In other words, the structure of a URI is defined by it= s
scheme. =C2=A0While it is common for schemes to further delegate their
substructure to the URI's owner, publishing independent standards
that mandate particular forms of URI substructure is inappropriate,
because that essentially usurps ownership. =C2=A0This document further
describes this problematic practice and provides some acceptable
alternatives for use in standards.

This document is a product of the Applications Area Working Group Working G= roup of the IETF.


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--047d7b450a7c1de35504fded76d8-- From nobody Fri Jul 11 17:36:48 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F20F1A009A for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:36:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.753 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.753 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QByJqVVrcc2K for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ia-mailgw.apnic.net (ia-mailgw.apnic.net [IPv6:2001:dd8:a:851::25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B490E1A008F for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:36:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/fvz4tOtSd5TU6L3ZQtLncSjJhwc Subject: [weirds] rdap-conformance X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:36:46 -0000 Our RDAP implementation validator is now available here: https://github.com/APNIC-net/rdap-conformance Any questions, suggestions etc., please send me an email. -Tom= From nobody Mon Jul 14 05:04:52 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015111A0397 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 05:04:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id luq3bGtwKZ70 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 05:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og110.obsmtp.com (exprod6og110.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.25]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB3601A0395 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 05:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob110.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKU8PHYAjZkpsY/595JDonk7I0sUyM01u0@postini.com; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 05:04:48 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id s6EC4lg3005380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:04:47 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 08:04:46 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Bootstrap and RDAP-Query Changes Thread-Index: Ac+fW81Vy+t3ORwbQLG45WsJUCxtIg== Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:04:45 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944DB51@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/nS9_x9Il6q6Gy5N9K4dwjNxMacU Subject: [weirds] Bootstrap and RDAP-Query Changes X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:04:50 -0000 I just finished reading through bootstrap-04 with an eye towards figuring o= ut changes (replacing text for .well-known) required for rdap-query. Do I h= ave this right? Registry entries are specified for domains, IP addresses, a= nd AS numbers. Queries for these values will be constructed by retrieving t= he appropriate base URL from the registry and appending a path segment spec= ified in rdap-query. This method should work for both lookups and searches.= If this is true I understand what needs to be changed and how I can change= it. Registry entries are unspecified for entity and help queries. Entity bootst= rap (or the lack thereof) is described in Section 6. For entities: Retrieve a base URL for the service (domain, address, etc.) a= ssociated with a given entity. The query URL is constructed by concatenatin= g the base URL to the entity path segment specified in rdap-query. For help: Retrieve a base URL for any service (domain, address, etc.) for w= hich additional information is required. The query URL is constructed by co= ncatenating the base URL to the help path segment specified in rdap-query. Does this sound reasonable? Scott From nobody Mon Jul 14 06:44:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AD41A05D1 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.762 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.762 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EbZQUsfa_eHu for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBC091A0601 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2014 06:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29128 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2014 13:44:40 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2014 13:44:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=14de6.53c3dec8.k1407; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=Ptt3agFknvHgVR4LL+jwzZMl4ibXdKG9wQ1pJq0nJJE=; b=MDzhl5nNPtv4htgA1OP5Hbdt9EDzpdzgdvnFuu9x/f5GPhbkbL+mWoT8gWQBPKh6sf/PnUpOeBypFtFyVa9Cgdu4+GcXBw+zRxJG3X66JvxR3KQ+aqMJ92yl4Q4ZbGDA6JaI8KVv8k7FJzJKUKcXla92CeKU3boDZHv6Ix8xNNr+qdSDe4w50xJ+yWiDwgrm7XMgP5eW7c5Cml+WTrArXugG08JH9ZpGHBAdFihRIaQbvkTk4FviKPLwdD5PKs0D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=14de6.53c3dec8.k1407; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=Ptt3agFknvHgVR4LL+jwzZMl4ibXdKG9wQ1pJq0nJJE=; b=FDbxyN8FN3LhRAa3UaTz50EekaB8uJuYoaQJ5JOhhGyjNlMxaCQ/2rh8QtEvPuMUuQEvP7BeFF/o/LKUaBABmPgpooP/cbG5Dt9YYpNU0qJeliMBgQj2og02TrWPb03nQ0V6NvkgR4PGyNU3V5QqirdykqvEJM7lbzsoisjBou4AASBmf1sG2foRjXc3VYwQF2pZODsk4zS9YoQr9HYxefpsglzZsu3IIo57QYtjHWpcNv3mxs7d+3CGtnK6jjGs Date: 14 Jul 2014 13:44:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20140714134418.85477.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944DB51@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/1gki4t5S2tR77qIJo17Sv8Kv4no Subject: Re: [weirds] Bootstrap and RDAP-Query Changes X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2014 13:44:43 -0000 >Does this sound reasonable? That's how I read it. R's, John From nobody Tue Jul 15 04:29:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0881B2840 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 04:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5DBZAdDa_Tl8 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 04:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og126.obsmtp.com (exprod6og126.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A64D1A03A4 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 04:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob126.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKU8UQhh9SklQPZFMAG2dbP0d/WzFxnvh9@postini.com; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 04:29:13 PDT Received: from BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexchm01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.255]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id s6FBT9HR008771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jul 2014 07:29:10 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 07:28:42 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Mark Nottingham Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 and Base URLs Thread-Index: Ac+gH/wJ0EzeYF4YTXK2Y4q8UnVNog== Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:29:08 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944E81A@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/SRl1T4HX0JEGgVnwCOLBeGyThHY Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: [weirds] draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 and Base URLs X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:29:18 -0000 Mark, could you please take a look at this WEIRDS document and let the WG k= now if you're comfortable with the approach it describes for the registrati= on and discovery of RDAP service base URLs? https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap/ Scott From nobody Tue Jul 15 22:34:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383991B2A64 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AiR7CmVSGTzf for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8DD11B2A36 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.55] (unknown [118.209.250.149]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CF71E22E1F4; Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944E81A@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:58:15 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944E81A@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/2Ydr3hljiblFA200jwDn0Wogi4Q X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:30 -0700 Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 and Base URLs X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:58:25 -0000 Hi Scott, Had a quick look, think that should be OK.=20 Cheers, On 15 Jul 2014, at 9:29 pm, Hollenbeck, Scott = wrote: > Mark, could you please take a look at this WEIRDS document and let the = WG know if you're comfortable with the approach it describes for the = registration and discovery of RDAP service base URLs? >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap/ >=20 > Scott -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Wed Jul 16 03:45:13 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE111B2B2A for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:45:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rf8yvbxLRCGu for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og103.obsmtp.com (exprod6og103.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.185]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCE071B2B2B for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob103.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKU8ZXs3nm+am+SRZBzTHDQbqbnHWmD551@postini.com; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:45:09 PDT Received: from BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexchm01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.255]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id s6GAj6IN002959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:45:06 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by BRN1WNEXCHM01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:44:37 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Mark Nottingham Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 and Base URLs Thread-Index: AQHPoKogTQcqz2x/E0qv4ue4OJBhvZuihJJQ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:04 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944F4A6@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4944E81A@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/RGViQqRwYKmU7PDt73u_1qCBXGg Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 and Base URLs X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:45:10 -0000 Thanks for confirming! Scott > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Nottingham [mailto:mnot@mnot.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:58 PM > To: Hollenbeck, Scott > Cc: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap-04 and Base URLs >=20 > Hi Scott, >=20 > Had a quick look, think that should be OK. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > On 15 Jul 2014, at 9:29 pm, Hollenbeck, Scott > wrote: >=20 > > Mark, could you please take a look at this WEIRDS document and let > the WG know if you're comfortable with the approach it describes for > the registration and discovery of RDAP service base URLs? > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-bootstrap/ > > > > Scott >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Fri Jul 18 08:08:59 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB67B1ABB32 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:08:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.579 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.579 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id puByMrcxjU7a for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outbound.afilias.info (outbound.afilias.info [66.199.183.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 822521B29E3 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms5.on1.afilias-ops.info ([10.109.8.9] helo=smtp.afilias.info) by outbound.afilias.info with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1X89mC-0004iN-4z for weirds@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:08:48 +0000 Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43]) by smtp.afilias.info with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1X89mC-0008FW-3z for weirds@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:08:48 +0000 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hr17so2980915lab.16 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ix73b6pxOhd6WcGYcXtaxRpftaYaKa03znvHNMBVoDo=; b=fPDrpl0nVzbzMYUMOohPMMZky9PHomiMzYG52bOcpgmP5X4Nw3Zwjoh4czeDmX+R8/ wWsRCpstbNkqJPfBFBdiMhZMX5XjKgL5hy3BLJmQefzYGvnHNtuZ3ybB/MR9DHSefPaF Wm7Pd1G6iD3peaAoIJGi5+jnzee9khFM7qBLg1j8AoIpLMU6IigHicLc6TxnzGtMqfFN obrnhQDM/Z2VUJbNhpsidzbuio05rEZVYOx+kjjOAt7ggnpVS0zeXMgn8xFbhyp9YNFO TRaLgtXWq8WI9M9XzEk7D39w1H/3p7DA/Fb3telczjamYdvq/UHWoeC1gczMjLzxAOWF d6Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmPVCkVUUTNPTD+tkCMoaGorU8PscmNHmuK9OA6eSq7fwoBj0iuPX7Yy7CXmpmBPCpmBaakcv6EiNYDQ11nGRnXeH6YFnGpxl8gPmBrFGDHRPFspoo= X-Received: by 10.112.13.4 with SMTP id d4mr5680130lbc.50.1405696121874; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.13.4 with SMTP id d4mr5680113lbc.50.1405696121758; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.225.39 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jul 2014 08:08:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140622230300.GA44375@main> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F493E8A61@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <538F44D3.3050209@afilias.info> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49412C4F@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <1017AC76-A38F-45FC-A302-2684C1824309@arin.net> <539ACFBC.2000803@afilias.info> <20140622230300.GA44375@main> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 11:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ernie Dainow To: Ernie Dainow , "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3f90afffeed04fe7921b0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/SHzlu-Y-gx-EVohj3nfd_-gqR8U Subject: Re: [weirds] WEIRDS inactivity, and issues raised in London X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:08:57 -0000 --001a11c3f90afffeed04fe7921b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Tom Harrison wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Ernie Dainow wrote: > > The argument to avoid "describing a subset of the possible error > conditions" > > is contradicted by what is already in draft-ietf-weirds-using-http. > Section > > 5 contains several sections covering a subset of HTTP errors, including > 400 > > and 404. > > > > Without further guidelines, there will be a lot of inconsistencies > between > > implementations. In the last inter-op test there were a number of cases > > where XXXX was an invalid name (such as example...com) or an invalid > UTF-8 > > representation. Some believed that 400 should be returned, others > > interpreted 404 as the proper error. > > > > I suggest a statement to the effect that if the error is related to an > > invalid value of the parameter, 404 should be returned; but if the error > is > > syntax or semantic (such as an invalid parameter), then 400 is returned. > > > > If 400/404 are used consistently, this provides useful feedback to help > > diagnose the problem. 404 is due to the user input, whereas 400 is > generally > > a fault in the client implementation. > > I think using 400 for all client errors is the better approach. Most > servers will return a description of the error in the body of the > response (as per json-response), so the interactive use case is > covered regardless of the error code, since the client program can > display that error description to the user. However, in the case where > the access is scripted/automated, or any other situation where the > only thing from the response that can be depended on is the status > code, it's more useful for 404 to be limited to the "valid query but > there's no record" scenario. > I agree with this, perhaps my wording did not make it clear. > > For example, a user might have a scheduled script that fetches a > series of domain names, some being non-IDNs and some being IDNs. If > the script is not encoding the IDNs properly, then all of the IDN > requests would yield "not found", which would be quite a different > meaning in this case from any "not found" returned for a non-IDN. More > insidious would be a change in how the server processes queries on the > server side, such that a previously-valid request, returning a "not > found 404" or a successful response, starts returning a "client error > 404". > I don't think a server should be expected to validate the input before it does a lookup. It is a lot simpler for a server just to do a lookup and return the record or 404. Here is modified suggested wording for Section 5.4 in draft-ietf-weirds-using-http that may be more clear: 5.4. Malformed Queries If a server receives a query which it cannot interpret as an RDAP query, it returns a 400 (Bad Request) response code. Optionally, it MAY include additional information regarding this negative answer in the Error Response Body defined in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response. A 400 response code is not returned to indicate an invalid value of a parameter. In this case a 404 (Not Found) is returned. For example, if domain/XXXX is a valid query, where XXXX is a domain name, 404 would be returned for an invalid name such as example..com. If the server distinguishes between an invalid name and record not found, it can indicate this in the Error Response Body. -Ernie --001a11c3f90afffeed04fe7921b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Tom Harrison <= ;tomh@apnic.net>= wrote:
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 06:17:32AM -0400, = Ernie Dainow wrote:
> The argument to avoid "describing a subset of the possible error = conditions"
> is contradicted by what is already in draft-ietf-weirds-using-http. Se= ction
> 5 contains several sections covering a subset of HTTP errors, includin= g 400
> and 404.
>
> Without further guidelines, there will be a lot of inconsistencies bet= ween
> implementations. In the last inter-op test there were a number of case= s
> where XXXX was an invalid name (such as example...com) or an invalid U= TF-8
> representation. Some believed that 400 should be returned, others
> interpreted 404 as the proper error.
>
> I suggest a statement to the effect that if the error is related to an=
> invalid value of the parameter, 404 should be returned; but if the err= or is
> syntax or semantic (such as an invalid parameter), then 400 is returne= d.
>
> If 400/404 are used consistently, this provides useful feedback to hel= p
> diagnose the problem. 404 is due to the user input, whereas 400 is gen= erally
> a fault in the client implementation.

I think using 400 for all client errors is the better approach. Most<= br> servers will return a description of the error in the body of the
response (as per json-response), so the interactive use case is
covered regardless of the error code, since the client program can
display that error description to the user. However, in the case where
the access is scripted/automated, or any other situation where the
only thing from the response that can be depended on is the status
code, it's more useful for 404 to be limited to the "valid query b= ut
there's no record" scenario.

I= agree with this, perhaps my wording did not make it clear.

For example, a user might have a scheduled script that fetches a
series of domain names, some being non-IDNs and some being IDNs. If
the script is not encoding the IDNs properly, then all of the IDN
requests would yield "not found", which would be quite a differen= t
meaning in this case from any "not found" returned for a non-IDN.= More
insidious would be a change in how the server processes queries on the
server side, such that a previously-valid request, returning a "not found 404" or a successful response, starts returning a "client e= rror
404".

I don't think a server s= hould be expected to validate the input before it does a lookup. It is a lo= t simpler for a server just to do a lookup and return the record or 404.=C2= =A0

Here is modified suggested wording for Section 5.4= in draft-ietf-weirds-using-http that may be more clear:

5.4. =C2=A0Malformed Queries

If a server re= ceives a query which it cannot interpret as an RDAP query, it returns a 400= (Bad Request) response code. =C2=A0Optionally, it MAY include additional i= nformation regarding this negative answer in the Error Response Body define= d in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
A 400 response code is not returned to indicat= e an invalid value of a parameter. In this case a 404 (Not Found) is return= ed. For example, if domain/XXXX is a valid query, where XXXX is a domain na= me, 404 would be returned for an invalid name such as example..com. If the = server distinguishes between an invalid name and record not found, it can i= ndicate this in the Error Response Body.=C2=A0

-Ernie

--001a11c3f90afffeed04fe7921b0-- From nobody Sun Jul 20 07:14:54 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E211F1B2B4E for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:14:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sf69ySuC1v8J for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:14:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2DE1B280B for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 9AB41165212; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chaedge01.corp.arin.net (chaedge01.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD7C165210 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CHACAS01.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.107) by chaedge01.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.118) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.181.6; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:14:55 -0400 Received: from CHAMBX02.corp.arin.net ([fe80::905e:9b4d:2909:f55a]) by CHACAS01.corp.arin.net ([fe80::a98b:1e52:e85a:5979%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:14:42 -0400 From: Andy Newton To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: features impinged by RFC 7320 Thread-Index: AQHPpCTylTWgJDlswkutIjy6RReM1g== Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:14:41 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.149.252.96] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/cPYoaw5Sh5CNssHIUFHaBHnYG6c Subject: [weirds] features impinged by RFC 7320 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:14:52 -0000 In reviewing my RDAP software and the features impacted by the latest speci= fications, I have hit upon two features that are impacted by the newly mint= ed IETF ideology chiseled into RFC 7320 and the bending of the RDAP specifi= cations to make them conform. The Issues: 1) My CLI client, NicInfo, has a feature whereby you can hand it an RDAP co= nforming URL and it can determine the object type to be returned by a serve= r. This is no longer possible because there is no standard way of knowing w= hich RDAP URLs map to which RDAP objects. 2) My bootstrap server, which takes queries from constrained clients, deter= mines where to lookup information based on URLs handed to it by the client.= However, since we can no longer determine what type of information the cli= ent is seeking, the bootstrap server can no longer determine where to redir= ect the queries. The solutions: A) Put an =93objectType=94 attribute or something similar in the JSON respo= nse. This allows a client to know the object type being returned without th= e need to jump through heuristic hoops. However, this only solves problem #= 1 and not problem #2. B) Create an RDAP URI scheme. Eck! C) Create separate media types to be used in the Accept header for each obj= ect type. Ewwww!! D) Create an RDAP registry for .well-known. I believe this is the lightest = weight thing to do, and the easiest for implementers of both clients and se= rvers. Also, I do not believe this impacts any of our current specs. The bo= otstrap can still contain whatever URLs registries desire, and the rdap-que= ry draft does not need to change as well. The .well-known registry will ju= st be used for services that do not have a defined bootstrap. Comments? Questions? -andy= From nobody Sun Jul 20 20:01:08 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5513D1B2B01 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.762 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.762 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MoUtYm8lXy0q for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DF871B2AF5 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 98392 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2014 03:01:03 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2014 03:01:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=c66.53cc8270.k1407; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=G5QJekY+VeZwrqaDZugsyFYCE6SA24T3o16Jt6dEbO0=; b=dMSidivsZusJSD1mohtCXB3XkNZCB9nyXv2rNRHU+K4xJKYanhLafAsu/DpaBOTXf/m+kndCS+EraJyeU3JWd6tRPKvnU5dKMdvEakcVqliOlj69ffIhVqBbkkicgi7d+AFHOJ/tGSRGFpcllHeXyc+pHwFzcdBjq5B5q9R4LqPgncYRsC9SyxXq6qTI1oHcsNO8x03NDKYX2o/g1xY1eLtyOASN+yThqARYBzauH+6E6Vbcu6ZbOLPf6qpjryvh DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=c66.53cc8270.k1407; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=G5QJekY+VeZwrqaDZugsyFYCE6SA24T3o16Jt6dEbO0=; b=og58hr6hsPs5OHjQuIpCBYJrcNbR6OX/e22wV8tY89R5yOKnQgC/hxrFrgIMvL6g1UPCN4MI37CZZx2W5kZRP8WK+H4cqH8R8LbaC/ypqAoS8sZRyr31hh1MBc+Htfz4YSz0CNXTzYnXFMIzZrU/y7yUcRwRqXFcmYTxyToGV3etOui81JijlsCR1awfv9C+fJfaEEd6fmJ2Y8aRVLhbXJ6c7jlqJenfpEz3NNaXEEqPUmcxcnu2aZXLdyq8LuBZ Date: 21 Jul 2014 03:00:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20140721030042.3173.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/clcNOx3BB8i-l-Jbtb8iGoQBS6k Subject: Re: [weirds] features impinged by RFC 7320 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 03:01:06 -0000 >1) My CLI client, NicInfo, has a feature whereby you can hand it an RDAP conforming URL and it >can determine the object type to be returned by a server. This is no longer possible because >there is no standard way of knowing which RDAP URLs map to which RDAP objects. The current bootstrap provides a per-whatever prefix to which the client is supposed to append the appropriate URL suffix from rdap-query for the type of query. I would think you could easily look at the tail of the URL to figure out what kind of object it is. Plan B: all the answers are JSON objects, so have the object include a "responsetype" field saying what it is. Note that since servers are allowed to do 302 redirects to arbitrary URLs, even with the current bootstrap scheme, someone could give you a redirected URL that bears no resemblance to anything, yet returns a normal RDAP JSON response. R's, John From nobody Mon Jul 21 06:31:16 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D9B1B2BEA for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FMph32r44bF2 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.arin.net (smtp1.arin.net [IPv6:2001:500:4:13::33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A411B2E2B for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix, from userid 323) id 8D6C41651B6; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chaedge01.corp.arin.net (chaedge01.corp.arin.net [192.149.252.118]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp1.arin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B67C165191; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CHACAS01.corp.arin.net (10.1.30.107) by chaedge01.corp.arin.net (192.149.252.118) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.181.6; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:28:27 -0400 Received: from CHAMBX02.corp.arin.net ([fe80::905e:9b4d:2909:f55a]) by CHACAS01.corp.arin.net ([fe80::a98b:1e52:e85a:5979%13]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Mon, 21 Jul 2014 09:28:15 -0400 From: Andy Newton To: John Levine Thread-Topic: [weirds] features impinged by RFC 7320 Thread-Index: AQHPpCTylTWgJDlswkutIjy6RReM1puqGq4AgACvVoA= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:28:15 +0000 Message-ID: <26BD9B53-F8D9-437D-A9EC-E254CDA24260@arin.net> References: <20140721030042.3173.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20140721030042.3173.qmail@joyce.lan> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.149.252.96] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <538E1FE5D5855748A079031CF428CA21@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/5HkRAf7NEaO5R_Aa5N4BZm0PVNc Cc: "weirds@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [weirds] features impinged by RFC 7320 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:31:02 -0000 On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:00 PM, John Levine wrote: >> 1) My CLI client, NicInfo, has a feature whereby you can hand it an RDAP= conforming URL and it >> can determine the object type to be returned by a server. This is no lon= ger possible because >> there is no standard way of knowing which RDAP URLs map to which RDAP ob= jects. >=20 > The current bootstrap provides a per-whatever prefix to which the > client is supposed to append the appropriate URL suffix from > rdap-query for the type of query. I would think you could easily look > at the tail of the URL to figure out what kind of object it is. My reading of RFC 7320 says that we aren=92t allowed to do this. However, s= ince the author of that RFC has told us that everything looks good, I guess= I am mistaken. Sorry for sending up the flare. > Plan B: all the answers are JSON objects, so have the object include a > "responsetype" field saying what it is. This is probably a good idea anyway. > Note that since servers are allowed to do 302 redirects to arbitrary URLs= , even > with the current bootstrap scheme, someone could give you a redirected UR= L that > bears no resemblance to anything, yet returns a normal RDAP JSON response= . True, but most HTTP client libraries handle the redirects behind the scenes= . And it is also easy enough to hold on to the first URL even if programmat= ically plowing throwing redirects. -andy= From nobody Tue Jul 22 00:20:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE2D1A041C for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:20:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ooasC5QKOFbm for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [218.241.118.7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0963A1A0A96 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 00:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: zhoulinlin@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown127.0.0.1 (HELO lenovo95e6383c) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:20:07 +0800 From: "Linlin Zhou" To: "'Ernie Dainow'" , References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F493E8A61@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <538F44D3.3050209@afilias.info> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49412C4F@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <1017AC76-A38F-45FC-A302-2684C1824309@arin.net> <539ACFBC.2000803@afilias.info> <20140622230300.GA44375@main> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 15:20:08 +0800 Message-ID: <013b01cfa57d$5eba0ca0$1c2e25e0$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac+imjVNIRRMxqJdSvuQTeEH9HzSaAC4eSEg Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/mDO9VZJ972CSMIOTopr7h8zxK-Y Subject: Re: [weirds] WEIRDS inactivity, and issues raised in London X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 07:20:21 -0000 >For example, a user might have a scheduled script that fetches a >series of domain names, some being non-IDNs and some being IDNs. If >the script is not encoding the IDNs properly, then all of the IDN >requests would yield "not found", which would be quite a different >meaning in this case from any "not found" returned for a non-IDN. More >insidious would be a change in how the server processes queries on the >server side, such that a previously-valid request, returning a "not >found 404" or a successful response, starts returning a "client error >404". >I don't think a server should be expected to validate the input before = it does a lookup. It is a lot simpler for a server just to do a lookup = and return the record or 404.=20 Agreed. Especially in the case of IDN domain validation check. If a domain is a fake A-label, such as = xn--7warambrecmdctfmhlrtrmbpyjdccaaahkrgl4chlip9bclcgddbb4ooioa.bnnhg = (since the A-label corresponds to an invalid U-label). We don't check = the domain which will be treated as a correct domain. The server = response is 404 or 200 in JSON format. >Here is modified suggested wording for Section 5.4 in = draft-ietf-weirds-using-http that may be more clear: >5.4. Malformed Queries >If a server receives a query which it cannot interpret as an RDAP = query, it returns a 400 (Bad Request) response code. Optionally, it MAY = include additional information regarding this negative answer in the = Error=20 >Response Body defined in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response.=20 =20 >A 400 response code is not returned to indicate an invalid value of a = parameter. In this case a 404 (Not Found) is returned. For example, if = domain/XXXX is a valid query, where XXXX is a domain name, 404 would be=20 >returned for an invalid name such as example..com. If the server = distinguishes between an invalid name and record not found, it can = indicate this in the Error Response Body.=20 Regards, Linlin From nobody Tue Jul 22 23:47:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD20C1A0032 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:47:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.792 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.792 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kubxinAbC1l9 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ia-mailgw.apnic.net (ia-mailgw.apnic.net [IPv6:2001:dd8:a:851::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC7441A002F for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:47:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apnic.net; s=c3po; h=received:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to: references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to: user-agent:return-path; bh=U7bMaz0Iw/KavV6zG5/w47wCHfsGJnaLV5nkFkXansY=; b=A4Z9s4VS/VwXUQMLAD0m7gk8AnS71STdQjLddX15jhmzPGclK0eGgtf5mAlEUPaxqUctdvMvn+CiO sN+1Zd3UMpfoViGlBnFIftNcGvksU+3WRcLmJH3Laaiu7uNFtjrolx38mLmT/zvdkWCi9v8gfhAuIt A7DdP9oz7HqGxdEs= Received: from NXMDA1.org.apnic.net (unknown [203.119.101.249]) by ia-mailgw.apnic.net (Halon Mail Gateway) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:46:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from main (203.119.101.249) by NXMDA1.org.apnic.net (203.119.107.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.218.12; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:46:59 +1000 Received: from tomh by main with local (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1X9qKD-000EEK-VX for weirds@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:46:53 +1000 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 02:46:52 -0400 From: Tom Harrison To: Message-ID: <20140723064652.GC36422@main> Mail-Followup-To: weirds@ietf.org References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F493E8A61@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <538F44D3.3050209@afilias.info> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49412C4F@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <1017AC76-A38F-45FC-A302-2684C1824309@arin.net> <539ACFBC.2000803@afilias.info> <20140622230300.GA44375@main> <013b01cfa57d$5eba0ca0$1c2e25e0$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <013b01cfa57d$5eba0ca0$1c2e25e0$@cn> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/WsAm5r5GKMAb9-XOZQ0KFAjMW0I Subject: Re: [weirds] WEIRDS inactivity, and issues raised in London X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 06:47:05 -0000 On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:20:08PM +0800, Linlin Zhou wrote: >> >For example, a user might have a scheduled script that fetches a >> >series of domain names, some being non-IDNs and some being IDNs. If >> >the script is not encoding the IDNs properly, then all of the IDN >> >requests would yield "not found", which would be quite a different >> >meaning in this case from any "not found" returned for a non-IDN. More >> >insidious would be a change in how the server processes queries on the >> >server side, such that a previously-valid request, returning a "not >> >found 404" or a successful response, starts returning a "client error >> >404". > > >I don't think a server should be expected to validate the input before it does a lookup. It is a lot simpler for a server just to do a lookup and return the record or 404. > > Agreed. Especially in the case of IDN domain validation check. > If a domain is a fake A-label, such as xn--7warambrecmdctfmhlrtrmbpyjdccaaahkrgl4chlip9bclcgddbb4ooioa.bnnhg (since the A-label corresponds to an invalid U-label). We don't check the domain which will be treated as a correct domain. The server response is 404 or 200 in JSON format. It is certainly easier in the /domain case to just perform the lookup. However, in the /ip and /autnum cases, it is necessary to parse the argument to respond to the request, and it is consequently very easy to return a 400 on receiving invalid input. This remains a useful distinction to make, especially for HEAD requests and in situations where access is scripted/automated. I still don't think the semantics of 404 are appropriate for a response to a request containing a syntactically-invalid domain name, but I can see why avoiding the validation is a useful thing. Maybe text along the following lines will suit: 5.4 Malformed Queries If a server receives a query which it cannot interpret as an RDAP query, it returns a 400 (Bad Request) response code. Optionally, it MAY include additional information regarding this negative answer in the Error Response Body defined in draft-ietf-weirds-json-response. For some query types, it is possible to respond to valid queries correctly without performing syntactic validation of the query parameters. A server MAY omit to perform this validation for one or more of these query types. For the types for which the server does not perform validation, it returns a 404 (Not Found) response code on receiving an invalid query. -Tom From nobody Wed Jul 23 04:44:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C9F1A0B15 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:44:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tu9-2D6Sp9Ax for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6811ABB2A for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:44:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: weirds@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140723114451.12169.40196.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:44:51 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/le1a38a3tTGW9UcgkNknJd592nA Subject: [weirds] Milestones changed for weirds WG X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:44:54 -0000 Changed milestone "draft-ietf-weirds-using-http to the IESG", set due date to September 2014 from February 2013, reverted to not being resolved. Changed milestone "draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec to the IESG", set due date to September 2014 from April 2013, reverted to not being resolved. Changed milestone "draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query to the IESG", set due date to September 2014 from April 2014. Changed milestone "draft-ietf-weirds-json-response to the IESG", set due date to September 2014 from April 2014. Changed milestone "draft-ietf-weirds-redirects to the IESG", set due date to September 2014 from April 2014. Changed milestone "draft-ietf-weirds-object-inventory to the IESG", set due date to September 2014 from April 2014. Changed milestone "Draft describing bootstrapping protocol to the IESG", set due date to September 2014 from April 2014. URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/weirds/charter/ From nobody Wed Jul 23 05:12:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63B71A0648 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A57YKQUK2rFu for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com (mail-we0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A15B1A0ABD for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id w61so1088011wes.39 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=c1xvCtNTsoRSg0YdBoBPbxFSu1NuQZKHIq7GwDEYOxw=; b=LFhn2QcKbS2f94oHjjGs/C3l5mpm4Y9LrdWD3Ov8/IKWniBOPV3hgLHp5PBSzXwfVl 6XYagDjpie4xPsIOKXB2o1HCMlz1QcSmq0s+/fK6CIL5BiL1hS77CtCyhguI34pUhzaP cKflFG3zJbVBO+PRY4gxcAhJ5j7aNGSyUbGWD6wuXWEIWNr13IeyhFkQ98zWI9N3HMVj /FzPm8eEqSvLLrRUKFXjh55QAszfM7wBONaU3pYj3nWrccAfkdJfWtqgJtSP8Z06yraZ uY4kQTAkq6kJqcwnQ1IXsoTm/l9yaGCqlF7mEpwUA9yDB1lwSY0KJynnYLi/x3SVvIzp DVBw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.7.36 with SMTP id g4mr1185612wja.37.1406117552037; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.10.99 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 05:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:12:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b450a7c33a41504fedb4190 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/E-fkcHNDitCrpAvSWYZWhiF5djc Subject: [weirds] Slides uploaded X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:12:35 -0000 --047d7b450a7c33a41504fedb4190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I have uploaded the three slide decks I have for the WEIRDS meeting plus the master agenda deck to the materials page. If you sent me a slide deck and you don't see it up there, please let me know ASAP. The materials list is here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/90/materials.html#wg-weirds -MSK --047d7b450a7c33a41504fedb4190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:39:16 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Sean Turner's Discuss on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec-04: (with DISCUSS) Thread-Index: AQHOmU9YQN5jDlOrH0ug24tYhExB1ZmWKqRQghmZdgA= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:39:15 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49465FDA@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <20130815003518.16075.87254.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4923695E@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4923695E@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/yDoEM6TAPaQcVEdl_W1rl3ylcdA Subject: [weirds] FW: Sean Turner's Discuss on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-sec-04: (with DISCUSS) 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tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i58PQQF6Wcv3 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-1.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5588F1B28F2 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.847.32; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:02:17 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.23]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.23]) with mapi id 15.00.0847.030; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 08:02:17 -0700 From: Steve Sheng To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Notes from 23 July weirds meeting Thread-Index: AQHPpocXIg1ijgF0UUK7XYq4V3NOrg== Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:02:17 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.2.140509 x-originating-ip: [31.133.162.19] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="B_3488958131_3854037" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/lO13Q9aH4lzQ7NhZ3MwOaPKz8tQ Subject: [weirds] Notes from 23 July weirds meeting X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:02:22 -0000 --B_3488958131_3854037 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="B_3488958131_3848528" --B_3488958131_3848528 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear all, Attached please find some rough notes from today's weird's meeting. Let me know if there are any errors. I am happy to correct them. 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Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b450a7cd6199904feddaae3 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/Q1gc9uAMzGNXMuvLy46CSd6jsv0 Subject: [weirds] WEIRDS timeline X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:05:19 -0000 --047d7b450a7cd6199904feddaae3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 For those that were not in attendance today: The co-chairs and our Area Director have collaborated to come up with the following schedule for the remainder of the working group's milestones: - All documents in Working Group Last Call no later than September 5 - All documents submitted for AD Evaluation no later than September 19 - All documents completed IETF Last Call no later than October 10 - All documents scheduled for IESG Telechat on October 16 - Any changes resulting from IESG Evaluation made and submitted by October 24 Accordingly, earlier this morning I set all the document milestones in the datatracker to September. The sense in the room this morning was that this is achievable. Therefore, please make every effort to do what's needed, including participating in list discussion and posting draft updates or submitting text change proposals, so that we can make all of our milestones and thus complete our work on the Standards Track. We are expecting text contributions soon from Peter Koch and John Klensin regarding, respectively, the IANA Considerations wording in the bootstrap document and an appendix about internationalization. Those should trigger a cascade of new versions and corresponding working group last calls. This is a fairly hard deadline. Toronto was our final in-person meeting. If we miss on the first two milestones by any significant amount, we will miss the rest of them and the working group will close having produced nothing on the Standards Track, meaning we'll have to find new publication paths for the documents. Thank you all for your hard work and participation to date. Let's finish this and get it out to the world! -MSK, WEIRDS co-chair --047d7b450a7cd6199904feddaae3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those that were not in attend= ance today:

The co-chairs and our Area Director have collabora= ted to come up with the following schedule for the remainder of the working= group's milestones:

- All documents in Working Group Last Call no later than Sep= tember 5
- All documents submitted for AD Evaluation no later= than September 19
- All documents completed IETF Last Call n= o later than October 10
- All documents scheduled for IESG Telechat on October 16
- Any changes resulting from IESG Evaluation made and submitted by = October 24

Accordingly, earlier this morning I set = all the document milestones in the datatracker to September.

The sense in the room this morning was that this is achievable.= =C2=A0 Therefore, please make every effort to do what's needed, includi= ng participating in list discussion and posting draft updates or submitting= text change proposals, so that we can make all of our milestones and thus = complete our work on the Standards Track.

We are expecting text contributions soon from Peter Koch and John Klens= in regarding, respectively, the IANA Considerations wording in the bootstra= p document and an appendix about internationalization.=C2=A0 Those should t= rigger a cascade of new versions and corresponding working group last calls= .

This is a fairly hard deadline.=C2=A0 Toronto was our final in-person m= eeting.=C2=A0 If we miss on the first two milestones by any significant amo= unt, we will miss the rest of them and the working group will close having = produced nothing on the Standards Track, meaning we'll have to find new= publication paths for the documents.

Thank you all for your hard work and participation to date.= =C2=A0 Let's finish this and get it out to the world!

-MSK= , WEIRDS co-chair

--047d7b450a7cd6199904feddaae3-- From nobody Wed Jul 23 09:01:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA241B281E for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_EMBEDS=1.799, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GrDm24qgbrGX for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (hermes.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082F51A0AE6 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.lacnic.net.uy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3E516B40A44 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:01:24 -0300 (UYT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lacnic.net.uy Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy ([127.0.0.1]) by hermes.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-F8ih3_qKMx for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:01:23 -0300 (UYT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:370:144:95a4:7c97:78b3:292a] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:144:95a4:7c97:78b3:292a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A0EB16B40A4E for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:01:23 -0300 (UYT) Message-ID: <53CFDC50.1070107@lacnic.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:01:20 -0400 From: gerardo rada User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weirds@ietf.org References: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBEF388@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> In-Reply-To: <62D9228640AC7F49B2DD9ED0C9CE60E58BBEF388@CHAXCH01.corp.arin.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060607020400040403000209" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/TG3coHIOcKBiBq7OGFvq2VyMffs Subject: [weirds] two questions about draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:01:29 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060607020400040403000209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey guys, when we tested our implementation in the interop, I emerged two questions: 1) If we receive a request for some "path segments" other than these: autnum, domain, nameserver, entity, help, or, domains, entities, nameservers, we should return an error? I think that, support other path segments should not be considered an error. If someone decides to give additional services not described in the draft, while not contradicting the draft we ought to allow them: An alternative solution is to support a new path segment, something like http://example.com/.well-known/rdap/ext/ or http://example.com/.well-known/rdap/more/ and so we allow additional services in this path segment. This would have to supplement it with a specification that describes any path segment is invalid. 2) Similar to the previous case, the draft describes what to do when we receive a request with method Get. but not sure of this: if I receive other request: POST, PUT, DELETE we must return an error? PS: Sorry for my bad English :) --------------060607020400040403000209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hey guys, when we tested our implementation in the interop, I emerged two questions:

1) If we receive a request for some "path segments" other than these: autnum, domain, nameserver, entity, help, or, domains, entities, nameservers, we should return an error?

I think that, support other path segments should not be considered an error. If someone decides to give additional services not described in the draft, while not contradicting the draft we ought to allow them:

An alternative solution is to support a new path segment, something like http://example.com/.well-known/rdap/ext/
or
http://example.com/.well-known/rdap/more/
and so we allow additional services in this path segment. This would have to supplement it with a specification that describes any path segment is invalid.

2) Similar to the previous case, the draft describes what to do when we receive a request with method Get. but not sure of this: if I receive other request: POST, PUT, DELETE we must return an error?

PS: Sorry for my bad English :)
--------------060607020400040403000209-- From nobody Wed Jul 23 10:01:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686B41B2890 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:01:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HOnFENKHWoFf for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-x22e.google.com (mail-we0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F29C1A00DD for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id x48so1528997wes.33 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:content-type; bh=cwVZoFeK45xtmbnRUwZqjGSJU2sq88bTXSvJPo6QelQ=; b=t+7h5xxIMSnAhC4becuGNJ+516iioLR27nfRQfq0FIkT8OJJjmNKV0tZMQw/wfVncU uHLeNyIQB7QyquJFeWwZQTArQ5emfA2SO1EaUesBZZQV6qDutHw+DUY1JyNqKW4PcyfT 2lAIuOUOQGSXeHqyy8BDUqtniKOmXkK4row6075xQNi9QD7QD2Cvuj4+DReHs1s6pK/2 zypG0EBJvK8jQeBDBr68F3Wa1cOQS2LxBwWiGL+kNKDhs02v7Dl4FVrVlCxAyLKBDkO6 aBlG+Ss5+jxIniIccobvQ8iuRxeNSygEN5jPuV3zPb5fiy/L6jVEDVXApPvFos6+/Jmj WOkg== X-Received: by 10.194.86.225 with SMTP id s1mr3646755wjz.21.1406134900001; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-a445.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-a445.meeting.ietf.org. [31.133.164.69]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ey16sm11546415wid.14.2014.07.23.10.01.38 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:01:35 -0400 From: Ning Kong To: Steve Sheng Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Airmail Beta (247) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="53cfea6f_5577f8e1_2543" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/hNl21K9aRoCEYXx2LRNwoKmEER4 Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?weirds=40ietf.org?=" Subject: Re: [weirds] Notes from 23 July weirds meeting X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 17:01:43 -0000 --53cfea6f_5577f8e1_2543 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Steve, Thanks for your nice work. If possible, I=E2=80=99d like to add more text= which I said at the meeting. Thanks. Original: Ning: I think our implementers do need to have some energy on how to reso= lve it. Updated: Ning: As for the Java web framework bugs, I think our implementers do nee= d to have some energy on how to resolve it. CNNIC did a special test on t= hree Java web=C2=A0frameworks and found that almost all frameworks have s= uch problems. CNNIC posted the test result on the Github website, see=C2=A0= https://github.com/cnnic/rdap/wiki/Known-issues for more information. Cheers, Ning =E5=9C=A8 2014=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8823=E6=97=A5 =E4=B8=8A=E5=8D=8811:02:32, = Steve Sheng (steve.sheng=40icann.org) =E5=86=99=E5=88=B0: Dear all, =20 Attached please find some rough notes from today's weird's meeting. Let =20 me know if there are any errors. I am happy to correct them. =20 Kind regards, =20 Steve =20 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 weirds mailing list =20 weirds=40ietf.org =20 https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds =20 --53cfea6f_5577f8e1_2543 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

I sent this reply earlier today. For som= e reason it doesn’t seem to have hit the list so I’m sending it= again. Apologies for any duplication.

 

Scott

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From: Maarten = Bosteels [mailto:maarten.bosteels@dnsbelgium.be]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:49 PM
To: weirds@ietf.org
Cc: Andrew Sullivan; Hollenbeck, Scott; John C Klensin
Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10

 

Hello,

 

First of all, apologies f= or replying to such an old thread.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:40= PM, Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com> wrote:

> -----Origina= l Message-----
> From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of An= drew
> Sullivan
> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 2:41 PM
> To: weirds@ietf.org
> Subject: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-08
>

> Later, "IDN labels SHOULD NOT be represented as a mixture of = A-labels
> and U-labels."  I think this probably means "If XXXX co= ntains any IDN
> label, then every IDN label in XXXX SHOULD be either A-labels or
> U-labels, and not a mixture."  Perhaps shorter and still as = clear is,
> "IDNs SHOULD NOT be represented as a mixture of A-labels and U-la= bels;
> that is, any IDN SHOULD use only A-labels or only U-labels." &nbs= p;The
> reason I'm having trouble with this is that "xn--jxalpd= lp.com"
> contains an A-label and an NR-LDH label, so we can't just say "no=
> mixing".  If nobody else finds the existing text possibly mi= sleading,
> I don't feel too strongly about it.

I'll use your tex= t - thanks.

 =

 =

I fi= nd the text in draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10  still misleading:  the last part could still be interpreted as if NR-LDH la= bels are not allowed. The suggested text below is verbose but in my opinion= more precise:

 

OLD: 

ID=
Ns SHOULD NOT be represented as a mixture of A-labels and U-labels; that is=
, any IDN SHOULD use only A-labels or only U-labels.




NEW:



If XXXX contains any IDN label, then e=
ither all IDN labels in XXXX SHOULD be represented as A-labels or all IDN l=
abels in XXXX should be represented as U-labels.





Do=
es that make sense ?


 


[SAH] I&=
#8217;m not sure it does. Section 2.3.2.2 of RFC 5890 says that “Thes=
e specifications use the term "NR-LDH label" strictly to refer to=
 an all-ASCII label that obeys the LDH label syntax discussed in Section 2.=
3.1 and that is neither an IDN nor a label form reserved by IDNA (R-LDH lab=
el).” So, an NR-LDH label is all-ASCII and it isn’t an IDN - an=
d the OLD text above doesn’t apply to such labels. I don’t see =
the confusion.


&nb=
sp;


Scott
--_000_831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466B63BRN1WNEXMBX01vc_-- From nobody Wed Jul 23 15:59:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0C31B2A4F for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.141 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QTMmXh8Si7pV for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2F801B2A39 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (dhcp-bcbc.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.188.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B7288A031 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:59:16 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20140723225915.GD21760@mx1.yitter.info> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466B63@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466B63@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/xNYQGMnixcGGEpmmaK65pot_KKs Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:59:19 -0000 Ah, I see the problem. See inline below. On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:26:00PM +0000, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: lowed. The suggested text below is verbose but in my opinion more precise: > > [SAH] I'm not sure it does. Section 2.3.2.2 of RFC 5890 says that "These specifications use the term "NR-LDH label" strictly to refer to an all-ASCII label that obeys the LDH label syntax discussed in Section 2.3.1 and that is neither an IDN nor a label form reserved by IDNA (R-LDH label)." So, an NR-LDH label is all-ASCII and it isn't an IDN - and the OLD text above doesn't apply to such labels. I don't see the confusion. > The confusion is for the case xn--[something].com. That case is not strictly allowed under OLD, because "IDN" refers to the whole name and "com." is not an A-label. An alternative to NEW would be IDNs SHOULD NOT be represented as a mixture of A-labels and U-labels; that is, all internationalized labels in an IDN SHOULD be either A-labels or U-labels. I only offer it in case you don't like the "If XXXX contains any IDN label" locution. I think they're formally the same. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Wed Jul 23 16:11:38 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B0B1A01F1 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:11:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id grNz99E3a4XB for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og127.obsmtp.com (exprod6og127.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03F451A0135 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob127.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKU9BBH1Szt2JSL45uh9+UMbXwDcGpN3OS@postini.com; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:11:29 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id s6NNBPZd030706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:11:26 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:11:25 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: Andrew Sullivan , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 Thread-Index: Ac+mxRIgLumMy+kMSfajBseohLf1MAAJi8oAAAgEA2A= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:11:24 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466C2D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466B63@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <20140723225915.GD21760@mx1.yitter.info> In-Reply-To: <20140723225915.GD21760@mx1.yitter.info> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/w3bU4D-J4zsSl8oWoFf19ECzoNU Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:11:36 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew > Sullivan > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:59 PM > To: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 >=20 > Ah, I see the problem. See inline below. >=20 > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:26:00PM +0000, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > lowed. The suggested text below is verbose but in my opinion more > precise: > > > > [SAH] I'm not sure it does. Section 2.3.2.2 of RFC 5890 says that > "These specifications use the term "NR-LDH label" strictly to refer to > an all-ASCII label that obeys the LDH label syntax discussed in Section > 2.3.1 and that is neither an IDN nor a label form reserved by IDNA (R- > LDH label)." So, an NR-LDH label is all-ASCII and it isn't an IDN - and > the OLD text above doesn't apply to such labels. I don't see the > confusion. > > >=20 > The confusion is for the case xn--[something].com. That case is not > strictly allowed under OLD, because "IDN" refers to the whole name and > "com." is not an A-label. An alternative to NEW would be >=20 > IDNs SHOULD NOT be represented as a mixture of A-labels and > U-labels; that is, all internationalized labels in an IDN SHOULD be > either A-labels or U-labels. >=20 > I only offer it in case you don't like the "If XXXX contains any IDN > label" locution. I think they're formally the same. Thanks, Andrew. Maarten, does this work for you? I'm comfortable with it. Scott From nobody Wed Jul 23 16:42:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550151A03C8 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bhN0Yut2EC1Q for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emea01-am1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am1lp0012.outbound.protection.outlook.com [213.199.154.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11E9B1A02A2 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.155.27) by DB4PR06MB127.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.155.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.990.7; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:42:20 +0000 Received: from DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.31]) by DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.31]) with mapi id 15.00.0990.007; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:42:20 +0000 From: Maarten Bosteels To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" , Andrew Sullivan , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 Thread-Index: Ac+mxRIgvLT0yPXICUGAddi0ke4SOgABKgYAAABsewD//8WQgA== Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:42:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466B63@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <20140723225915.GD21760@mx1.yitter.info> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466C2D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466C2D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [31.133.164.226] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: x-forefront-prvs: 028166BF91 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(189002)(164054003)(199002)(479174003)(24454002)(13464003)(51704005)(377454003)(76176999)(81342001)(20776003)(64706001)(4396001)(2656002)(66066001)(19580395003)(92566001)(77982001)(80022001)(105586002)(87936001)(46102001)(83322001)(74482001)(86362001)(36756003)(74662001)(107046002)(31966008)(101416001)(107886001)(81542001)(92726001)(54356999)(74502001)(85852003)(95666004)(99396002)(19580405001)(79102001)(76482001)(106356001)(21056001)(77096002)(50986999)(83072002)(85306003); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:DB4PR06MB127; H:DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8C9B0A7F2AE4844093B3DFE28805002A@eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dnsbelgium.be Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/iov-z79bq4AeNVL7tJZYk1Mm_HA Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 23:42:25 -0000 On 23/07/14 19:11, "Hollenbeck, Scott" wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew >> Sullivan >> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:59 PM >> To: weirds@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 >>=20 >> Ah, I see the problem. See inline below. >>=20 >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:26:00PM +0000, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: >> lowed. The suggested text below is verbose but in my opinion more >> precise: >> > >> > [SAH] I'm not sure it does. Section 2.3.2.2 of RFC 5890 says that >> "These specifications use the term "NR-LDH label" strictly to refer to >> an all-ASCII label that obeys the LDH label syntax discussed in Section >> 2.3.1 and that is neither an IDN nor a label form reserved by IDNA (R- >> LDH label)." So, an NR-LDH label is all-ASCII and it isn't an IDN - and >> the OLD text above doesn't apply to such labels. I don't see the >> confusion. >> > >>=20 >> The confusion is for the case xn--[something].com. That case is not >> strictly allowed under OLD, because "IDN" refers to the whole name and >> "com." is not an A-label. An alternative to NEW would be >>=20 >> IDNs SHOULD NOT be represented as a mixture of A-labels and >> U-labels; that is, all internationalized labels in an IDN SHOULD be >> either A-labels or U-labels. >>=20 >> I only offer it in case you don't like the "If XXXX contains any IDN >> label" locution. I think they're formally the same. > >Thanks, Andrew. Maarten, does this work for you? I'm comfortable with it. > Yes, perfect. Thanks. It was explained (sort of) to me today why mixing U and A labels was a bad idea.=20 But it's only a SHOULD NOT so the next question is: what should the server do when it does receive such mixed input ? Be liberal and do the lookup anyway ? Or response with a 400 (or 404) ? I am not saying the behaviour of the server in that case should be specified in the text, I just wonder what would be the best behaviour according to the list. Maarten > From nobody Wed Jul 23 18:23:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C0B1A019A; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:23:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id axSSmdkm4lPO; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1F51A026A; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:23:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.2.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140724012324.28459.10408.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:23:24 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/A5xW54AadrwOPt1krfT2vYkRMHs Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-object-inventory-03.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 01:23:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Web Extensible Internet Registration Data Service Working Group of the IETF. Title : Registration Data Access Protocol Object Inventory Analysis Authors : Linlin Zhou Ning Kong Sean Shen Arturo Servin Filename : draft-ietf-weirds-object-inventory-03.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2014-07-23 Abstract: WHOIS output objects from registries (including both Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and Domain Name Registries (DNRs)) were collected and analyzed. This document describes the statistical analysis process and result of existing WHOIS information. The purpose of this document is to build an object inventory to facilitate discussions of data objects included in Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) responses. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-object-inventory/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-object-inventory-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-weirds-object-inventory-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jul 29 10:21:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF5301A0328 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:21:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e8H1mNAlHpzz for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69C9B1A02F7 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id m15so9461685wgh.29 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=qp/Hm0pi7+oylyENywIcHKMSSDNcyATU3iGtZZrOEsI=; b=lm8k1GVQh9fDzXd3seOdVIYCYPkCoItQu/hu5vf4hLJBvtrw5fR1/5uejx188TjOll 1tVxwyV+a+3/R7A5hb2DEql3ArLPWhbJEjobYitbO+6HZn+80FQ3nPDMjSC3W1wV1yxf TlQpcSpJ+OHqh4zTrdzsYqSQWAqGxdxzPhOGL2Gi2QGFJf2vnYRGcNOmdbuEDMDiN500 pZnqnmpGCJ5lNFN9kbNsXUNgl0BfFXyAqMJAyuCTaltjDsL9HvlCiTB2uAOBK1M/E3ch 1GYS0zoPlJOOBcX8gMrJl8BKP6tHLTJxUX958yay2XtvJqg3zhjufBdGFFgQZNWGhtQg 9LBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.179.4 with SMTP id dc4mr5426009wjc.32.1406654512587; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.10.99 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:21:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "weirds@ietf.org" , Peter Koch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013d115e8b6a2504ff5846f1 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/R_T6KO_hPPLh8a2DMpS-grnoXu0 Subject: [weirds] Bootstrapping text? X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:21:56 -0000 --089e013d115e8b6a2504ff5846f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Peter, I hate to be a nag (well, in this case, not really) but since we're on a tight timeline to complete the WEIRDS work, could you propose your replacement text for the IANA bits in the bootstrap document sometime this week so the group can discuss it and we can start the work of doing our final document updates? 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Hi Peter,

I hate to be a nag (well,= in this case, not really) but since we're on a tight timeline to compl= ete the WEIRDS work, could you propose your replacement text for the IANA b= its in the bootstrap document sometime this week so the group can discuss i= t and we can start the work of doing our final document updates?

Thank you!

-MSK
--089e013d115e8b6a2504ff5846f1-- From nobody Wed Jul 30 04:54:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42491B278F; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:54:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2e9GnTLCoWGQ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238381B2798; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:54:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.6.2.p2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20140730115450.11574.92471.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:54:50 -0700 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/mq1va7qZTahbLr2LVpPn70P2KOs Cc: weirds@ietf.org Subject: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:54:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Web Extensible Internet Registration Data Service Working Group of the IETF. Title : Registration Data Access Protocol Query Format Authors : Andrew Lee Newton Scott Hollenbeck Filename : draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2014-07-30 Abstract: This document describes uniform patterns to construct HTTP URLs that may be used to retrieve registration information from registries (including both Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and Domain Name Registries (DNRs)) using "RESTful" web access patterns. Normative Reference Note Normative references to RFC 7231 and draft-ietf-httpbis-http2 can be replaced with a reference to RFC 2616 if draft-ietf-httpbis-http2 is still a work in progress when this document is ready for publication. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query/ There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jul 30 04:56:30 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5631B278F for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:56:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9rzr83d1DWfN for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og123.obsmtp.com (exprod6og123.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D30D1A0378 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob123.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKU9jda0BSen7WPwBEqPl679lD7tR6CiEi@postini.com; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:56:27 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id s6UBuQUm018845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:56:26 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:56:25 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 Thread-Index: Ac+mxRIgLumMy+kMSfajBseohLf1MAAJi8oAAAgEA2ABOHfAoA== Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:56:25 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4946CF93@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466B63@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <20140723225915.GD21760@mx1.yitter.info> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466C2D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49466C2D@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/5MCH5T4yx6o_t1lHiv-rYDWoI7I Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:56:29 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hollenbeck, > Scott > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:11 PM > To: Andrew Sullivan; weirds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew > > Sullivan > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:59 PM > > To: weirds@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [weirds] comments on draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10 > > > > Ah, I see the problem. See inline below. > > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:26:00PM +0000, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote: > > lowed. The suggested text below is verbose but in my opinion more > > precise: > > > > > > [SAH] I'm not sure it does. Section 2.3.2.2 of RFC 5890 says that > > "These specifications use the term "NR-LDH label" strictly to refer > to > > an all-ASCII label that obeys the LDH label syntax discussed in > Section > > 2.3.1 and that is neither an IDN nor a label form reserved by IDNA > (R- > > LDH label)." So, an NR-LDH label is all-ASCII and it isn't an IDN - > and > > the OLD text above doesn't apply to such labels. I don't see the > > confusion. > > > > > > > The confusion is for the case xn--[something].com. That case is not > > strictly allowed under OLD, because "IDN" refers to the whole name > and > > "com." is not an A-label. An alternative to NEW would be > > > > IDNs SHOULD NOT be represented as a mixture of A-labels and > > U-labels; that is, all internationalized labels in an IDN SHOULD > be > > either A-labels or U-labels. > > > > I only offer it in case you don't like the "If XXXX contains any IDN > > label" locution. I think they're formally the same. >=20 > Thanks, Andrew. Maarten, does this work for you? I'm comfortable with > it. Phooey, I missed this in -11. I'll deal with it in -12. Scott From nobody Wed Jul 30 04:59:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5244C1A0378 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:59:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qcI5RsrdaRak for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exprod6og112.obsmtp.com (exprod6og112.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F0F81A0351 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.verisign.com ([216.168.239.75]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob112.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKU9jeKBdnpev6MOGZ0+3tCtvSgmIAzgP9@postini.com; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 04:59:37 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.205]) by osprey.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id s6UBxaeE018928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:59:36 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 07:59:35 -0400 From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" To: "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11.txt Thread-Index: AQHPq+0U8ORTiZQH+EGxSOsqS5cPipu4gsHw Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:59:34 +0000 Message-ID: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4946CFA4@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <20140730115450.11574.92471.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20140730115450.11574.92471.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/MY_4fEWj7ybcr2by6vqromjkqq8 Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:59:38 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: weirds [mailto:weirds-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:55 AM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: weirds@ietf.org > Subject: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Web Extensible Internet Registration > Data Service Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Registration Data Access Protocol Query > Format > Authors : Andrew Lee Newton > Scott Hollenbeck > Filename : draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2014-07-30 The most significant change in this version is replacement of .well-known w= ith our bootstrap approach. Other bits: Tickets addressed: 7, 13, 15, 19, 25 Tickets not addressed: 8, 9, 10, 11, 29 I need more guidance on WG consensus WRT the tickets that I didn't address. Scott From nobody Wed Jul 30 08:51:47 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684051A00E9 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:51:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d2MKW8vf41Xh for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emea01-am1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-am1lrp0055.outbound.protection.outlook.com [213.199.154.55]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD45A1A00DA for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.155.27) by DB4PR06MB127.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.155.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.995.14; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:51:35 +0000 Received: from DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.149]) by DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.16.149]) with mapi id 15.00.0995.014; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:51:35 +0000 From: Maarten Bosteels To: Tom Harrison , "weirds@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [weirds] WEIRDS inactivity, and issues raised in London Thread-Index: AQHPopo4eKQeQ5h+OUSXBiOi9p2q4ZurtYcAgAGJCQCAC7oFgA== Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:51:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F493E8A61@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <538F44D3.3050209@afilias.info> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49412C4F@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <1017AC76-A38F-45FC-A302-2684C1824309@arin.net> <539ACFBC.2000803@afilias.info> <20140622230300.GA44375@main> <013b01cfa57d$5eba0ca0$1c2e25e0$@cn> <20140723064652.GC36422@main> In-Reply-To: <20140723064652.GC36422@main> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [77.67.63.234] x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID: x-forefront-prvs: 0288CD37D9 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(6009001)(24454002)(199002)(189002)(51704005)(479174003)(86362001)(74502001)(74662001)(85852003)(106116001)(105586002)(76176999)(64706001)(54356999)(15202345003)(77096002)(21056001)(19580405001)(74482001)(80022001)(31966008)(83322001)(19580395003)(36756003)(83072002)(106356001)(20776003)(46102001)(107046002)(99396002)(92726001)(107886001)(81542001)(85306003)(87936001)(2656002)(93886003)(81342001)(76482001)(4396001)(77982001)(15975445006)(66066001)(95666004)(92566001)(101416001)(50986999)(79102001)(94096001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:DB4PR06MB127; H:DB4PR06MB128.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1232407AAB1B2B44B5CEFA3DCE7C2AB0@eurprd06.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dnsbelgium.be Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/LQNF0mjSLWYoc09YfrTKy1moB_U Subject: Re: [weirds] WEIRDS inactivity, and issues raised in London X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:51:42 -0000 On 23/07/14 02:46, "Tom Harrison" wrote: >On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 03:20:08PM +0800, Linlin Zhou wrote: >>> >For example, a user might have a scheduled script that fetches a >>> >series of domain names, some being non-IDNs and some being IDNs. If >>> >the script is not encoding the IDNs properly, then all of the IDN >>> >requests would yield "not found", which would be quite a different >>> >meaning in this case from any "not found" returned for a non-IDN. More >>> >insidious would be a change in how the server processes queries on the >>> >server side, such that a previously-valid request, returning a "not >>> >found 404" or a successful response, starts returning a "client error >>> >404". >>=20 >> >I don't think a server should be expected to validate the input before >>it does a lookup. It is a lot simpler for a server just to do a lookup >>and return the record or 404. >>=20 >> Agreed. Especially in the case of IDN domain validation check. >> If a domain is a fake A-label, such as >>xn--7warambrecmdctfmhlrtrmbpyjdccaaahkrgl4chlip9bclcgddbb4ooioa.bnnhg >>(since the A-label corresponds to an invalid U-label). We don't check >>the domain which will be treated as a correct domain. The server >>response is 404 or 200 in JSON format. > >It is certainly easier in the /domain case to just perform the lookup. >However, in the /ip and /autnum cases, it is necessary to parse the >argument to respond to the request, and it is consequently very easy >to return a 400 on receiving invalid input. This remains a useful >distinction to make, especially for HEAD requests and in situations >where access is scripted/automated. > >I still don't think the semantics of 404 are appropriate for a >response to a request containing a syntactically-invalid domain name, >but I can see why avoiding the validation is a useful thing. Maybe >text along the following lines will suit: I agree that 404 is not an appropriate response to a request containing a syntactically invalid domain name. And *if* we think skipping or avoiding validation is useful, why do we specify that the server MUST convert to U-label format and do the lookup by A-label ? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-10#section-3.1.3 If the client sends the server an IDN in U-label format, servers that support IDNs MUST convert the IDN into A-label format and perform IDNA processing as specified in RFC 5891 [RFC5891 ]. The server should perform an exact match lookup using the A-label." So, U-label input must be validated and converted to A-label before doing the lookup but putative A-label input does not need validation before doing the lookup ? I know it was discussed before http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/weirds/current/msg02357.html and I do understand the "behave as if" argument but I don't understand why we have to be so strict on how the server should implement the lookup of putative U-labels and at the same time allow to skip validation of putative A-labels. One of the benefits of IDNA2008 is that you can safely convert from U-label to A-label and back again, so you could as well do an exact match on U-label (given that it is a valid U-label). This would also better align with what is written in Section 4 about query processing:=20 "In general, storage of strings as Unicode is RECOMMENDED." I would suggest=20 A) to remove the sentence which says that the server should do an exact lookup on A-label. The lookup should be conform the IDNA2008 rules but in my opinion it's up to the implementor to decide how to do it. B) To respond with 400 instead of 404 in case of a syntactically invalid domain name. regards Maarten > > 5.4 Malformed Queries > > If a server receives a query which it cannot interpret as an RDAP > query, it returns a 400 (Bad Request) response code. Optionally, > it MAY include additional information regarding this negative > answer in the Error Response Body defined in > draft-ietf-weirds-json-response. > > For some query types, it is possible to respond to valid queries > correctly without performing syntactic validation of the query > parameters. A server MAY omit to perform this validation for one > or more of these query types. For the types for which the server > does not perform validation, it returns a 404 (Not Found) response > code on receiving an invalid query. > >-Tom > >_______________________________________________ >weirds mailing list >weirds@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/weirds From nobody Wed Jul 30 11:22:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D20E1A0203 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.141 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_INFO=1.448, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yks0IVJte6ma for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (ow5p.x.rootbsd.net [208.79.81.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B025C1A01C8 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 11:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.yitter.info (nat-08-mht.dyndns.com [216.146.45.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.yitter.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08AFE8A031 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:22:44 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: weirds@ietf.org Message-ID: <20140730182244.GK27478@mx1.yitter.info> References: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F493E8A61@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <538F44D3.3050209@afilias.info> <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F49412C4F@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <1017AC76-A38F-45FC-A302-2684C1824309@arin.net> <539ACFBC.2000803@afilias.info> <20140622230300.GA44375@main> <013b01cfa57d$5eba0ca0$1c2e25e0$@cn> <20140723064652.GC36422@main> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/Jf4j0gYQ8xnwKJXIS093Ec18o-c Subject: Re: [weirds] WEIRDS inactivity, and issues raised in London X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 18:22:49 -0000 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 03:51:34PM +0000, Maarten Bosteels wrote: > > I agree that 404 is not an appropriate response to a request containing a > syntactically invalid domain name. I worry that I'm not sure what "syntactically invalid domain name" is in that sentence. Keep in mind that "‘’„‼※⁙⁕" (without the ASCII quotes -- those are all Unicode code points in the punctuation category, so they should all be DISALLOWED under IDNA2008) is a perfectly legal DNS label. It is clearly not a conforming LDH-label, it is not a U-label because it cannot be converted to an A-label, but it _can_ be represented in IDNA2003 (the Punycode output is dvgcp0je5m1a, so the IDNA2003 label is xn--dvgcp0je5m1a). Which of these do you mean? > And *if* we think skipping or avoiding validation is useful, why do we > specify that the server MUST convert to U-label format and do the lookup > by A-label ? This is because, if you're doing IDNA, you're publishing A-labels in the DNS. There was an early assumption that what you should be able to look up in the RDAP is the name from the DNS, and if it's a U-label is will _never_ be in that format in the DNS. My own view, for what it's worth, is that a server needs to use either A-label or U-label form, and always use it. There are a lot of possible pitfalls in U-label forms, however, and several people said that client-side mapping was not going to work. In that case, you might well get a U-label that is not the right one someone was looking for, and it'd be good to be able to throw an error for "bad U-label" as opposed to "no match". > One of the benefits of IDNA2008 is that you can safely convert from > U-label to A-label and back again, so you could as well do an exact match > on U-label (given that it is a valid U-label). That is true. But just as true is that you can convert. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@anvilwalrusden.com From nobody Thu Jul 31 12:27:20 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: weirds@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22B01A0030 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.137 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.137 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hHIOswzI173J for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DC051A002A for ; Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 85892 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2014 19:27:15 -0000 Received: from miucha.iecc.com (64.57.183.18) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2014 19:27:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=1ca2.53da9893.k1407; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=Fe8ZrKpe1GmceGnha6Aohs936hlaSxopwX3lHjJMC2s=; b=Guv22TdVGkCu/pTajaMkeVCMwMNliuXRobw0CKfOdt3QHLNftDneixZ1epAs+77VnFscRgY73i52rDuHCC8aBe0KxMUokvzSaQGnVXdiHUT4arte+0A0WTBStE3oiftMXWe3V+2bB6x4PBp9YLwK3NmCsapTpXOwbofnNgwiSv2dqc6LG8lYUxrD69sUnJ5vAmenWaLiaV5xL8Rjs6CnzyD/50bSiv9/lK6aM/DwK8+YiCbTMKgsKR1sD9po+1jU DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=1ca2.53da9893.k1407; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=Fe8ZrKpe1GmceGnha6Aohs936hlaSxopwX3lHjJMC2s=; b=iRFwoytjZVSfaBCUbvFHNCdmD4aTuhgEuDOSGTBAj5vRIe6LXWy/MW9nz4ogvmWpirfk/XZSgnTxYUbXzLFe/E3w7QdqyER18jvRqd6pjYT9zlV84xJi2lzcXgUcubHRyp8OMX1W7eTTrd9h0X182SYyDqpQcliohBuA1gjPmDXUI2poBR0e60z0R4No58JqCztUK45G/qTm7mAer/Cf3pl7QnKrjSE1/RYNUsrPEHTyBi8YncC57I5eSuXjMpEB Date: 31 Jul 2014 19:26:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20140731192651.7329.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: weirds@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <831693C2CDA2E849A7D7A712B24E257F4946CFA4@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/weirds/qLgUAhGYnOUaEdYGYyo4o65i6_g Subject: Re: [weirds] I-D Action: draft-ietf-weirds-rdap-query-11.txt X-BeenThere: weirds@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "WHOIS-based Extensible Internet Registration Data Service \(WEIRDS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:27:19 -0000 >Tickets not addressed: 8, 9, 10, 11, 29 Nos. 8, 9, 10 are from Andy. Andy? No. 11 is about a flag for just saying whether a thing exists or not. I think we agreed that the ordinary http HEAD command would do what we wanted, no new mechanism needed. No. 29 is a meta-question about no. 9, query for nameserver by IP address. I'm with Andy here, use a syntax like /domains?nsIp=YYYYY. The answer is whatever glue records for that IP the server's policy allows it to return. For domains that publish zone files, this is already in the zone file so they shouldn't have a problem returning data they're already publishing. For domains that don't publish zone files, they'd probably refuse with a 4xx code. R's, John