From widex-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 02 17:45:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FEwXe-00040d-9Z; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:45:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FEwXc-00040V-W4 for widex@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:45:00 -0500 Received: from nylon.softarmor.com ([66.135.38.164]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FEwXb-0000z6-Lk for widex@ietf.org; Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:45:00 -0500 Received: from [64.101.173.216] ([64.101.173.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k22MjDnH011776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:45:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2A27AD28-49EC-4260-809D-C09587DB543D@softarmor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: widex@ietf.org From: Dean Willis Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:44:55 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Subject: [Widex] Agenda requests, IETF 65 X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org I'll be putting together an agenda for widex at IETF 65. Please send me topic suggestions, if you have them. I'll maintain a running list at the softarmor supplemental site: http://www.softarmor.com/widex/ Thanks, -- Dean _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex From widex-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 03 03:57:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FF66F-0006iH-Fk; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:57:23 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FF66E-0006dz-Ck for widex@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:57:22 -0500 Received: from homer.w3.org ([128.30.52.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FF66D-0003Nn-6l for widex@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:57:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (homer.w3.org [128.30.52.30]) by homer.w3.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351F34F228; Fri, 3 Mar 2006 03:57:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:57:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Raggett X-X-Sender: dsr@localhost.localdomain To: Dean Willis Subject: Re: [Widex] Agenda requests, IETF 65 In-Reply-To: <2A27AD28-49EC-4260-809D-C09587DB543D@softarmor.com> Message-ID: References: <2A27AD28-49EC-4260-809D-C09587DB543D@softarmor.com> X-GPG-PUBLIC_KEY: http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/pubkey-20040130.asc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: widex@ietf.org X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Dean Willis wrote: > > I'll be putting together an agenda for widex at IETF 65. > > Please send me topic suggestions, if you have them. > > I'll maintain a running list at the softarmor supplemental site: > > http://www.softarmor.com/widex/ > > Thanks, > > -- > Dean Hi Dean, I will be attending and would like to give a presentation looking at what requirements emerge from an examination of existing proposals, including the recent REX draft from W3C, see http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-rex-20060202/ Dave Raggett W3C lead for multimodal interaction http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett +44 1225 866240 (or 867351) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFECAT/b3AdEmxAsUsRAo4PAJ4/6jR+aBKIQmk+1KETHZpDRQpGbgCg4VmG A94SlUkSNCkqH6cxiA0UDA4= =S2Qo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex From widex-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 06 19:18:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGPuP-0006nN-Sh; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:18:37 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGPuN-0006nD-UC for widex@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:18:35 -0500 Received: from motgate8.mot.com ([129.188.136.8]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FGPuN-0008GO-Ln for widex@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 19:18:35 -0500 Received: from il06exr02.mot.com (il06exr02.mot.com [129.188.137.132]) by motgate8.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate7) with ESMTP id k270Y1u6015219 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 17:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from de01exm69.ds.mot.com (de01exm69.am.mot.com [10.176.8.25]) by il06exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id k270VYgI011373 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:31:34 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 19:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <6806C66D71ED9241BAECC0478173B71F5D5E65@de01exm69.ds.mot.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DMSP mailing list established thread-index: AcZBfKwXPLECo//VSpWjC5YaWAVnrw== From: "Engelsma Jonathan-QA2678" To: X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAQ= X-White-List-Member: TRUE X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Subject: [Widex] DMSP mailing list established X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1873376516==" Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1873376516== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6417C.AC36BB4E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6417C.AC36BB4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An IETF mailing list has been established to discuss the Distributed Multimodal Synchronization Protocol (DMSP) Internet draft. DMSP coordinates events of interest between a visual browser or application running on a mobile device with a VoiceXML (Voice Extensible Markup Language) browser running in the network.=20 =20 The Internet Draft is available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt =20 =20 To join the email list: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmsp =20 =20 We would very much appreciate input on the draft from those of you working in related areas. =20 Regards, Jonathan Engelsma =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6417C.AC36BB4E Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
An IETF mailing list has been = established to=20 discuss the Distributed Multimodal Synchronization Protocol  (DMSP) Internet draft.   = DMSP=20 coordinates events of interest between a visual browser or=20 application running on a mobile device with a VoiceXML (Voice = Extensible=20 Markup Language) browser running in the network.
 
The Internet Draft is available at: = <= FONT=20 title=3Dhttp://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-engelsma-dmsp-01.txt
 
To join the email list: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmsp
 
We = would very much=20 appreciate input on the draft from those of you working in related=20 areas.
 
Regards,
Jonathan=20 Engelsma
 
= ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6417C.AC36BB4E-- --===============1873376516== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex --===============1873376516==-- From widex-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 13 16:07:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FIuGN-00017o-AJ; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:07:35 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FIuGM-00017i-NJ for widex@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:07:34 -0500 Received: from nylon.softarmor.com ([66.135.38.164]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FIuGL-0005Ih-CX for widex@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:07:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.101] (sj-natpool-220.cisco.com [128.107.248.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2DL7tv6008112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:07:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <40C7CC6B-9715-4295-8007-EB02B8422A07@softarmor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: widex@ietf.org From: Dean Willis Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:07:41 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 Subject: [Widex] WIDEX draft agenda updated, posted on IETF proceedings site X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org I have updated the WIDEX draft agenda posted at: http://www.softarmor.com/widex/meets/ietf65/agenda.html and uploaded it to the IETF proceedings preload at: http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06mar/agenda/widex.html Further updates will first be applied, if possible, to the softarmor site, then replicated to the IETF site. -- Dean _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex From widex-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 21 10:57:08 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLjEJ-0005o1-U8; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:57:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLjEJ-0005nw-KA for widex@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:57:07 -0500 Received: from homer.w3.org ([128.30.52.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FLjEI-00059A-Az for widex@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:57:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (homer.w3.org [128.30.52.30]) by homer.w3.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2FA4F238 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:57:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:57:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Raggett X-X-Sender: dsr@localhost.localdomain To: widex@ietf.org Message-ID: X-GPG-PUBLIC_KEY: http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/pubkey-20040130.asc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Subject: [Widex] slides on REX and requirements X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You can find the slides for my presentation in the Widex F2F on Thursday at: http://www.w3.org/2006/03/widex-reqs.html It looks at some proposals for remoting DOM updates, including the recent W3C spec on REX, and lists some emergent requirements for this and for remoting arbitrary DOM events. REX looks looks like quite a good fit for updates, but we still need a solution for remoting other kinds of events, and there is also the need to provide bindings to specific protocols such as SIP and HTTP. Dave Raggett W3C lead for multimodal interaction http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett +44 1225 866240 (or 867351) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEICJcb3AdEmxAsUsRAlfxAKC8AKidhfqlqQI/1VtvO0lFZq+q3wCg6tQp ex4TioiVjC7BmoaZDXIrXAk= =Kzd1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex From widex-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 24 12:14:51 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMpsA-0004ID-RL; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:14:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMps9-0004Hy-GU for widex@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:14:49 -0500 Received: from homer.w3.org ([128.30.52.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMps8-0002Rx-8v for widex@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:14:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (homer.w3.org [128.30.52.30]) by homer.w3.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5CC4F284 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 12:14:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:14:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Dave Raggett X-X-Sender: dsr@localhost.localdomain To: widex@ietf.org Message-ID: X-GPG-PUBLIC_KEY: http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett/pubkey-20040130.asc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Subject: [Widex] suggestions re timestamps X-BeenThere: widex@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working list for the WIDEX working group at IETF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: widex-bounces@ietf.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In the face to face meeting on Thursday, we discussed the potential problems with how REX specifies timestamps for updates that are intended to be applied at a future time. REX currently specifies these in terms of the renderer's clock as milliseconds since the start of 1970 GMT. The problem is the likelihood of a significant clock skew between the renderer and the server, and the latency incurred by the protocol. This makes it difficult to the server to set the appropriate timestamps when the update is to be applied in a relatively short time interval into the future. In principle, the server may be able to estimate the clock skew and the network latency from a sequence of interactions with the renderer, but this is tricky and subject to uncertainties. W3C's SMIL language deals with this by allowing you to specify event timestamps in terms off timed offsets from other events (the beginning or end of a give presentation). SMIL isn't itself a solution to Widex as it doesn't deal with the means to transport DOM events and updates. Widex/REX could use the SMIL event-value syntax, which includes a reference to a named event and a signed time offset. This would be very general, but comes with an implementation overhead that may not be acceptable in all environments. A simpler approach would be use non-negative timed offsets from an implicit reference event. You would be able to designate that a given event is the new reference point, replacing the previous reference point. The initial reference point is the start of the session. This technique avoids the need to record the times of events as they are applied. You only need to record the time of the current reference point. The syntax for identifying an event as a reference point would involve a new attribute. The existing timestamp would be refined as a non-negative integer denoting the number of milliseconds from the current reference point. For multimedia presentations, the audio track is often used as the reference timebase since human perception finds disruption to the audio more disturbing than to the visual presentation. A question for the W3C REX task force is whether they are interested in synchronizing SVG updates to streaming audio, and if so whether the presentation can be paused/resumed. If yes, then this should be taken into account in the semantics for timestamps, e.g. the clock should be paused along with the presentation. Comments? Dave Raggett W3C lead for multimodal interaction http://www.w3.org/People/Raggett +44 1225 866240 (or 867351) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEJCkFb3AdEmxAsUsRAmG1AKCiQWEkIYxLYmAOhQIYlxmhnByyEgCgn3bl +M+Bs9+lJX/0L5mtiu2xYvM= =UZF3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Widex mailing list Widex@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/widex