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I can provide an update touching on the aspects below and have a discussion
with interested parties.

 - Chrome's implementation status and roadma p
 - Use cases with demos, early takes from partner outreach.
 - W3C TPAC takeaways

If we can get Jeffrey to join us remotely, we could cover progress on the
different specifications since last time, open issues, and plans.

I will be in Bangkok from Tuesday to Thursday.

Jeffrey: what time and days would work for you?


On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 05:26 Dan York <york@isoc.org wrote:

> Kenji,
>
> Thanks for the offer to help.  Mainly I think we just need to figure out
> what time in the week might work (and might work for *Jeffrey* to attend
> remotely) and then see if there is a room available to be reserved.
>
> I haven=E2=80=99t done my schedule yet for the week, but can do that tomo=
rrow to
> figure out my own availability.
>
> I am glad to reserve one of the rooms and handle that aspect.  Also glad
> to set up a Zoom session for remote participation.
>
> If you are able to be at the session and help with talking about what is
> going on with the project, questions, ideas, points, etc., that would be
> great.
>
> Last time in Montreal in June, I sent out this message below to the
> attendees list.  I am glad to do something similar again.
>
> My own interest is just in facilitating this work moving forward, as I
> potentially see it being useful for websites I=E2=80=99m involved with.
>
> Dan
>
> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94
>
> FROM IETF 102 in MONTREAL:
>
> Tomorrow (Weds, June 18), at 12noon, we'll have a side meeting for people
> interested in potential new work about "website packaging" that will allo=
w
> people to bundle together the resources that make up a website so they ca=
n
> be shared offline, either with or without a proof that they came from the
> original website. (Or used in low connectivity environments... or see the
> other use cases:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-webpackage-use-cases-01 )
>
> The meeting will be in the Square Dorchester room on the 3rd floor.
>
> Jeffrey Yasskin is the point person on this work but is not physically
> here in Montreal. He'll be joining in remotely.
>
> He has more info at: https://github.com/WICG/webpackage
> Agenda: https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/wiki/IETF-102-Agenda
> Explainer: https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/blob/master/explainer.md
>
> I summarized some of the work here:
> https://github.com/danyork/wpack-intro-ietf102/blob/master/wpack-intro-ie=
tf102.pdf
>
> Jeffrey has a few drafts around this:
>
> - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-webpackage-use-cases-01
> -
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-http-origin-signed-responses-04
> - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges-00
>
> And there is a mailing list at:
>
> - https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Wpack
>
> The point of tomorrow's meeting is to get an update from Jeffrey on some
> of the developments and to determine what interest there may be in doing
> more with this work.
>
> If you are interested but can't join the session tomorrow, please join th=
e
> wpack mailing list.
>
> Dan
>
> =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94
>
>
>
> --
> Dan York
> Director, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society
> york@isoc.org   +1-802-735-1624
> Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org  Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyork
>
> http://www.internetsociety.org/
>
> On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:33 AM, Kenji Baheux <kenjibaheux@google.com> wrote=
:
>
> I'll be around from Tuesday to Thursday.
>
> Jeffrey might be able to join via VC but can't help organize for personal
> reasons. I'm not sure what that entails but I might be able to help inste=
ad.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 09:43 Dan York <york@isoc.org wrote:
>
>> Would people be interested in another WPACK side meeting at IETF 103 in
>> Bangkok?
>>
>> I'm glad to reserve a side meeting room again. I can also set up a zoom
>> meeting session for remote attendees.
>>
>> I will be in Bangkok and can coordinate the local end again.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> --
>> Dan York
>> Director, Content & Web Strategy, Internet Society
>> york@isoc.org   +1-802-735-1624
>> Jabber: york@jabber.isoc.org  Skype: danyork   http://twitter.com/danyor=
k
>>
>> http://www.internetsociety.org/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wpack mailing list
>> Wpack@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpack
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I can provide an update touching on the aspects below and=
 have a discussion with interested parties.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0- Chrome&#39;s implementation status and roadma p</div>=
<div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0- Use cases with demos, early takes from partner ou=
treach.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=C2=A0- W3C TPAC takeaways</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If we can get Jeffrey to join us remotely=
, we could cover progress on the different specifications since last time, =
open issues, and plans.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
I will be in Bangkok from Tuesday to Thursday.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Jeffrey: what time and days would work for you?</div=
><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">On Thu, Nov 1, 2018, 05:26 Dan York &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:york@iso=
c.org">york@isoc.org</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">
Kenji,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the offer to help.=C2=A0 Mainly I think we just need to fig=
ure out what time in the week might work (and might work for *Jeffrey* to a=
ttend remotely) and then see if there is a room available to be reserved.</=
div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I haven=E2=80=99t done my schedule yet for the week, but can do that t=
omorrow to figure out my own availability.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am glad to reserve one of the rooms and handle that aspect.=C2=A0 Al=
so glad to set up a Zoom session for remote participation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you are able to be at the session and help with talking about what =
is going on with the project, questions, ideas, points, etc., that would be=
 great.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Last time in Montreal in June, I sent out this message below to the at=
tendees list.=C2=A0 I am glad to do something similar again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My own interest is just in facilitating this work moving forward, as I=
 potentially see it being useful for websites I=E2=80=99m involved with.</d=
iv>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dan</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>FROM IETF 102 in MONTREAL:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Tomorrow (Weds, June 18), at 12noon, we&#39;ll have a side meeting for=
 people interested in potential new work about &quot;website packaging&quot=
; that will allow people to bundle together the resources that make up a we=
bsite so they can be shared offline,
 either with or=C2=A0without a proof that they came from the original websi=
te. (Or used in low connectivity environments... or see the other use cases=
:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-webpackage-use-=
cases-01" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-yasskin-webpackage-use-cases-01</a>=C2=A0)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The meeting will be in the Square Dorchester room on the 3rd floor.</d=
iv>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeffrey Yasskin is the point person on this work but is not physically=
 here in Montreal. He&#39;ll be joining in remotely.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>He has more info at:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/WICG/webpackag=
e" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://github.com/WICG/webpackage<=
/a></div>
<div>Agenda:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/wiki/IETF-1=
02-Agenda" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://github.com/WICG/web=
package/wiki/IETF-102-Agenda</a></div>
<div>Explainer:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/WICG/webpackage/blob/mas=
ter/explainer.md" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://github.com/W=
ICG/webpackage/blob/master/explainer.md</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I summarized some of the work here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com=
/danyork/wpack-intro-ietf102/blob/master/wpack-intro-ietf102.pdf" target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://github.com/danyork/wpack-intro-ietf102/=
blob/master/wpack-intro-ietf102.pdf</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeffrey has a few drafts around this:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-webpackage=
-use-cases-01" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://tools.ietf.org/=
html/draft-yasskin-webpackage-use-cases-01</a></div>
<div>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-http-origi=
n-signed-responses-04" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-yasskin-http-origin-signed-responses-04</a></div>
<div>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yasskin-wpack-bund=
led-exchanges-00" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://tools.ietf.o=
rg/html/draft-yasskin-wpack-bundled-exchanges-00</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>And there is a mailing list at:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Wpack" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/Wpack<=
/a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The point of tomorrow&#39;s meeting is to get an update from Jeffrey o=
n some of the developments and to determine what interest there may be in d=
oing more with this work.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you are interested but can&#39;t join the session tomorrow, please =
join the wpack mailing list.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dan</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>
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yle:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:norma=
l;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;w=
ord-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
--<br>
Dan York<br>
Director, Content &amp; Web Strategy,=C2=A0Internet Society<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:york@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">york@=
isoc.org</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0 +1-802-735-1624=C2=A0<br>
Jabber: <a href=3D"mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">york@jabber.isoc.org</a> =C2=A0Skype:=C2=A0danyork =C2=A0=C2=A0<a=
 href=3D"http://twitter.com/danyork" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">h=
ttp://twitter.com/danyork</a><br>
<br>
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rrer">http://www.internetsociety.org/</a></div>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Oct 29, 2018, at 12:33 AM, Kenji Baheux &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kenji=
baheux@google.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">kenjibaheux@google.=
com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"m_-5573941599638158157Apple-interchange-newline">
<div>
<div dir=3D"auto">I&#39;ll be around from Tuesday to Thursday.
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
<div dir=3D"auto">Jeffrey might be able to join via VC but can&#39;t help o=
rganize for personal reasons. I&#39;m not sure what that entails but I migh=
t be able to help instead.</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"auto"><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Oct 22, 2018, 09:43 Dan York &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:york@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">york@isoc.org</a> wrot=
e:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Would peop=
le be interested in another WPACK side meeting at IETF 103 in Bangkok?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I&#39;m glad to reserve a side meeting room again. I can also set up a=
 zoom meeting session for remote attendees. =C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will be in Bangkok and can coordinate the local end again.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dan</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">
<div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-v=
ariant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:star=
t;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
--<br>
Dan York<br>
Director, Content &amp; Web=C2=A0Strategy, Internet Society<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:york@isoc.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_b=
lank">york@isoc.org</a> =C2=A0 +1-802-735-1624=C2=A0<br>
Jabber: <a href=3D"mailto:york@jabber.isoc.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">
york@jabber.isoc.org</a> =C2=A0Skype:=C2=A0danyork =C2=A0 <a href=3D"http:/=
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Jeffrey & Kenji,

I saw this announcement this week about Cloudflare using website packaging:

https://blog.cloudflare.com/real-urls-for-amp-cached-content-using-cloudfla=
re-workers/

Did you all at Google work with them on this at all?

Any thoughts from anyone on the list about this new development?

Just curious,
Dan

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